--- Log opened Wed Sep 21 00:00:09 2005 --- Day changed Wed Sep 21 2005 00:00 < _Lewellyn> find /path -type d -exec PATH={}:$PATH;export PATH \; 00:00 < _Lewellyn> ? :) 00:00 < Jeffimix> oh dear god is that kinda syntax allowed? 00:00 < _Lewellyn> or are those folders just symlinks 00:00 < _Lewellyn> allowed? what's wrong with it? 00:00 < Jeffimix> they're real folder 00:00 < Jeffimix> inside of them are stuff like GWorkspace.app 00:01 < _Lewellyn> ah. so they're data files? 00:01 < Jeffimix> no, those're programs 00:01 < Jeffimix> see GnuSTEP has the Openstep API, it's the same setup as apple/cocoa 00:01 < _Lewellyn> copies of the actual apps? 00:01 < Jeffimix> exact same 00:01 < Jeffimix> ever used a mac 00:01 < Jeffimix> rcently 00:01 < _Lewellyn> ya, a .app is a folder 00:01 < Jeffimix> oh wait 00:01 < Jeffimix> yeah 00:01 < Jeffimix> lol 00:01 < Jeffimix> my bad 00:01 < valentin> hi 00:02 < _Lewellyn> with all the binaries and support files inside 00:02 < _Lewellyn> hoi valentin 00:02 < Jeffimix> and inside of the .app folder is the program 00:02 < valentin> yes 00:02 < _Lewellyn> and all of its private libs and stuff 00:02 < valentin> in contents/MacOS/... 00:02 < Jeffimix> now howto add those buggers to my paths 00:02 < _Lewellyn> so you have to make custom versions of the apps for GNUStep? 00:02 < Jeffimix> it's pretty much cross compileable, as long as it works on gnustep 00:03 < Jeffimix> I should find whoever added the gnustep stuff to the package matrix 00:03 < _Lewellyn> that would make gnustep incompatible with almost everything else 00:03 < Jeffimix> naw it works with MacOSX afaik 00:03 < _Lewellyn> it'd make more sense for the .app to have a syumlink to the real app 00:03 < Jeffimix> and old NeXT boxxen 00:03 < _Lewellyn> everything else == xterm, et al 00:03 < Jeffimix> yea 00:03 < _Lewellyn> aka "the rest of the system" 00:04 < Jeffimix> well the apps can't find their libraries right now :< 00:05 < Jeffimix> et cetera I'm gonna rifle through the gnustep website 00:05 < Jeffimix> now that I realize the number of subfolders it spwes, I might just move stuff around or something, dunno 00:06 < Jeffimix> i'm pretty sure gnustep is not a huge project 00:07 < Jeffimix> linux26 doesn't seem to crash in compile now 00:07 < Jeffimix> *crosses fingers* 00:08 < Jeffimix> I'll probly have to reboot for changes to take effect? 00:08 < morfoh> .oO( fucking snort )o 00:08 < Jeffimix> *_* 00:17 < Jeffimix> well I'm gonna go ot for a while, ttyl, thanks for the help (again) T2 is kinda difficult for me, dunno why, cya 00:18 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has quit ["ircII EPIC5-0.0.5 -- Are we there yet?"] 00:18 < _Lewellyn> hm. do the build options change each time a package is built? 00:18 < _Lewellyn> glibc is taking forever this last time 00:19 < _Ragnar_> it changes depending which stage you're in 00:19 < mnemoc> some packages increase their features from one stage to another 00:22 < _Lewellyn> ok. so stage 5 is gonna take a LONG time ;) 00:22 < mnemoc> around 90% of the build time is on stage 5 00:23 < _Lewellyn> since it's package 2 of 103 00:23 < _Lewellyn> so by the time i'm back from class, i can build the boot disks 00:23 < mnemoc> you can build other target in parallel 00:24 < mnemoc> as far as you don't have the luck of building the same package at the same time on both 00:24 < mnemoc> in which case ccache gets broken 00:24 < _Lewellyn> i'll be paranoid :) 00:24 < _Lewellyn> i've got more than enough cpu free and almost no disk io 00:25 < _Lewellyn> which somewhat concerns me 00:25 < mnemoc> :) 00:25 < sepp> good night all 00:25 < _Lewellyn> sleep well sepp 00:25 < mnemoc> bbl 00:25 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp 00:25 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.204.6.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["leaving"] 00:26 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@201.254.12.65] has joined #t2 00:27 < _Lewellyn> is it safe to use optimization on the bootdisc? 00:41 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.96] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:54 -!- keinek_ is now known as keinek 01:13 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 01:41 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i use pmmx 01:42 < _Lewellyn> ok, so i should be safe enough then 01:42 < _Lewellyn> (i hope) 01:48 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #t2 01:48 < Jeffimix> re 01:50 < _Lewellyn> re 01:51 < _Lewellyn> how's it goin? 01:56 < Jeffimix> pretty good 01:56 < _Lewellyn> good good 01:56 < Jeffimix> the recompile worked 01:56 < _Lewellyn> good good :) 01:57 < Jeffimix> should I do something with the spca5xx stuff now? 01:57 < _Lewellyn> don't ask me :) 01:58 < Jeffimix> heh 01:58 < _Lewellyn> uh oh.... 01:58 < _Lewellyn> crap. 01:58 < _Lewellyn> == 15:42:45 =[5]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11.12 2.1-stable]. 01:58 < _Lewellyn> == 16:55:51 =[1]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11.12 2.1-stable]. 01:59 < _Lewellyn> i really really really hope ccache doesn't get confused since the latter doesn't use it :) 01:59 < Jeffimix> hrmm? 02:00 < _Lewellyn> 15:23 .: mnemoc: you can build other target in parallel 02:00 < _Lewellyn> 15:24 .: mnemoc: as far as you don't have the luck of building the same package at the same time on both 02:00 < _Lewellyn> 15:24 .: mnemoc: in which case ccache gets broken 02:09 < Jeffimix> what's the equivalent of rc.local in t2 02:10 < _Lewellyn> add a new rc.whatever, that's what i do :) 02:11 < Jeffimix> just under rc.d? ok 02:13 < Jeffimix> anyhow, off again, bbl 02:13 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has quit ["ircII EPIC5-0.0.5 -- Are we there yet?"] 02:15 < _Lewellyn> eh. he disappeared too soon. 02:15 < _Lewellyn> anyway. time to get ready for school 02:30 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:31 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.91] has joined #t2 02:34 < _Lewellyn> classtime 02:34 < _Lewellyn> back later 02:58 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #t2 02:58 < madtux> hello 02:59 < mnemoc> madtux! 02:59 < mnemoc> great to see you around 02:59 < madtux> errr.... thx... great to see you too. 02:59 < mnemoc> i'm always here ;) 03:00 < madtux> your "ghost" doesn't count. 03:00 < madtux> :) 03:01 < mnemoc> i am always here ;) 03:02 < madtux> nerd. 03:02 < madtux> :) 03:03 < mnemoc> :) 03:12 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.65] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:27 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #t2 03:34 < madtux> ping mnemoc 03:34 < Jeffimix> ping me 03:35 < madtux> i'm allowed to ping once a day 03:35 < madtux> tomorrow? 03:35 < madtux> ;) 03:36 < Jeffimix> lol 03:41 < mnemoc> :) 03:46 < Jeffimix> gaim is nicer than epic5 03:46 < mnemoc> sure 04:07 < Jeffimix> :P 04:07 < madtux> . 04:07 < Jeffimix> .. 04:08 < madtux> ... 04:10 < Jeffimix> .. 04:10 < Jeffimix> crap I'm beat 04:14 < madtux> ;) 04:31 -!- Jeffimix [n=root@migby.resnet.mtu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:11 < _Lewellyn> madtux: hoi. 06:11 < _Lewellyn> bah. looks like class is emptying out. gonna have to leave in a few. 06:11 < madtux> hello _Lewellyn 06:11 < _Lewellyn> how you been? ltns. 06:11 < madtux> i've been doing ok.... how about u? 06:11 < _Lewellyn> bah. back in a half-hour to an hour. gotta leave class 06:11 < _Lewellyn> been ok otherwise ;) 06:12 * _Lewellyn heads back to the office... 06:12 < madtux> ok 06:15 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 07:27 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFB031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:41 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFB6B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:11 < rxr> moin 08:11 < madtux> hi rene 08:11 < rxr> hey miguel! 08:11 < _Ragnar_> hey rene :) 08:13 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 08:54 < rxr> hm - FreeBSD has no /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - it is installed into /usr/X11R6/ and has .../lib/mozilla there ... 09:13 < madtux> [kde-announce] Announcing KDE 3.5 beta1 ("Kanzler") 09:16 < rxr> .oO? 09:19 < rxr> ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/make/ 09:45 < valentin> moin 09:45 < rxr> moin valentin 09:47 < rxr> valentin: do we want to package this ugly schily smake? 09:47 < valentin> never lookt at it ... 09:47 < rxr> or due to his bad nature avoid it and hope noone else submits a patch to the list ? 09:47 < valentin> i'll add another package named: k3b-i18n 09:47 < valentin> for some reason we miss that 09:47 < rxr> I guess even if (not checked yet) it would solve the problem I run into right now - we would not like to have exact-build depend on this persons make ? 09:47 < rxr> valentin: oh 09:48 < valentin> you do not want to use god's own make ? *g* 09:48 * rxr installed yet another fedora core test 09:48 < valentin> schily is the best coder in the whole world and the only cdrecording expert 09:48 < rxr> let's depart their mozilla to see where this geneirc /user/lib/mozilla/plugin dir should be used ... 09:49 < rxr> valentin: exactly - and the only one able to create a decent - state of the art - OS 09:50 < rxr> if I start adding modular X we might have over 1900 packages until linux world expo ,-) 09:52 < CIA-9> aldas * r12035 /trunk/package/www/elinks/ (. elinks.cache elinks.desc elinks.patch): * added elinks (0.10.6) 09:53 < rxr> maybe we should be as l33t as Fedora Core, and start the X server as first process to be able to have an equally pretty colorful bootup and status display ... 09:53 < Baldzius> good morning :) 09:53 < rxr> maybe we should patch X.org into the kernel and display that even early ... 09:54 < rxr> like X.org ........ booting ....... done. 09:54 < rxr> moin Baldzius 09:54 < Baldzius> hi rxr 09:55 < rxr> argl - my FC install does not include strace ... - grummel 10:00 < rxr> hm - and the FC package manager sucks 10:00 < rxr> no list of packages, the damn topics content not alphabetically sorted and no serach facility 10:00 < rxr> no idea where they have strace - maybe not at all - at least not at the obvious places 10:04 < rxr> hahaha - and manual selecting results in compalains about xyz not installed - installer can not proceed until they are installed 10:04 < rxr> my oh my ... 10:38 < CIA-9> valentin * r12036 /trunk/package/kde/k3b-i18n/ (. k3b-i18n.desc): * added translations for k3b 0.12.x 10:42 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:03 < rxr> valentin: in a tiny, syntetic example make's implicit rules behave as expected: 11:03 < rxr> # make _BuildFiles/test 11:03 < rxr> cc -o _BuildFiles/test.o -c src/test.c 11:03 < rxr> cc -o _BuildFiles/foo.o -c src/foo.c 11:03 < rxr> cc -o _BuildFiles/test _BuildFiles/test.o 11:03 < rxr> rm _BuildFiles/foo.o _BuildFiles/test.o 11:03 < rxr> _BuildFiles/%.o : src/%.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ -c $< 11:03 < rxr> _BuildFiles/% : _BuildFiles/%.o _BuildFiles/foo.o $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ $< 11:05 < rxr> cool - was a thinko on my side 11:05 < rxr> maybe I have multi targets per module in some minutes 11:09 < rxr> valentin: cool - works - try HEAD ,-) 11:11 * rxr now migrating hotplug++ to exact-build ... 11:11 < rxr> I think the last project left 11:11 < rxr> beside the currently not really used parts of gsmp 11:27 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEE2F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:28 < rxr> moin morfoh_ 11:31 < valentin> rxr: do you have any idea why 11:32 < valentin> splashimage (cd)/boot/senioros.xpm.gz 11:32 < valentin> works for the cd, whereas 11:32 < morfoh_> hi rxr, valentin 11:32 < valentin> splashimage (hd0,2)/boot/senioros.xpm.gz 11:32 < valentin> does not work after install to disk ? 11:33 < valentin> maybe the grub version installed does not feature bootsplash ? 11:33 < rxr> valentin: not included in the CD image and thus not on the disk ? 11:33 < valentin> hi morfoh_ 11:34 < valentin> rxr: it is included on the disk of course, i copied it 11:34 < valentin> i know that /boot/ on the cd is outside the squash 11:34 < jsaw> re 11:34 < rxr> well - then maybe the grub does not feature bootsplash 11:34 < valentin> hi jsaw 11:35 < rxr> inject the grub stage files from my haudraufinix 11:35 < jsaw> hi valentin 11:35 < jsaw> hi rxr 11:35 < valentin> i feared that... well, not so urgent 11:35 < morfoh_> hi jsaw 11:35 < jsaw> hi morfoh_ 11:35 < rxr> hi jsaw 11:35 < rxr> jsaw: I converted hotplug++ to new exact-build makefile system 11:35 < rxr> install is missing - the rest if sine 11:35 < jsaw> read it 11:35 < valentin> anyone knows how to include flashplayer in a firefox build ? 11:35 < rxr> make -j 100 works fine and without parallel glitches 11:35 < rxr> valentin: flashplayer into a build ? 11:36 < rxr> valentin: just deflate the binary from them in the mozilla plugin dir 11:36 < jsaw> 1801 builds total, 1341 completed fine, 118 with errors. 11:36 < valentin> rxr: that alone works ? 11:36 < valentin> i am no flash expert :) 11:36 < valentin> thanks rxr, i'll try 11:36 < rxr> valentin: yes - you only need to extract the binary only flash player plugin into a plugin dir searched by fierfox 11:37 < rxr> though currently our mozilla* crap has some issue not looking into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - which I think is a bug 11:37 < rxr> use the users $HOME/.mozilla/plugins instead and it will be fine 11:37 < jsaw> rxr: did you try "$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/plugins" ? 11:37 < rxr> until I tracked why this beast does not look into the system dir 11:38 < rxr> jsaw: no - would that not make the application error out due all the other .so and so files not found there? 11:38 < rxr> ad the real $1-bin ? 11:38 < jsaw> rxr: here, mplayerplug-in.so is in that directory and works fine 11:39 < rxr> do you export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME ? 11:39 < morfoh_> btw, i'd propose adding a snort-rules package because rules are not included in snort source distribution anymore 11:39 < jsaw> /etc/profile.d/mozilla 11:39 < rxr> well - it is no in trunk, right ? 11:39 < jsaw> old installation, very old... 11:40 < rxr> what should we do - add such a profile.d to each mozilla package? 11:40 < rxr> we could also patch the beats startup script to include /usr/lib/mozilla automagically ... 11:40 < rxr> redhat^WFedora Core does also mess around with that startup script 11:40 < rxr> though I have not read over it too closely because I thought it would be more likely some compile time issue 11:41 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE4D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:43 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh 11:46 < jsaw> rxr: strings libxpcom.so -> MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH 11:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12037 /trunk/package/base/man/man.desc: * updated man (1.6a -> 1.6b) - seems to finally fix parallel make 11:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12038 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2) 11:49 < rxr> ok - despite instal:: needs to be adde to exact-build so far I'm quite happy with it 11:50 < jsaw> rxr: export MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ; mozilla 11:50 < jsaw> ^-- works 11:54 * rxr hugs jsaw 11:54 < jsaw> :) 11:54 < rxr> right works fine here as well - firefox as well 11:54 < rxr> let's patch the startup files, or? 11:55 < rxr> one profile.d for each of these beasts is a bit much, isn't it? 11:55 < jsaw> yeah, but I'd actually prefer a postinstall script which checks for a file with MOZ_... setting 11:56 < jsaw> but sysfiles is fine with me also 11:56 < rxr> jsaw: ? 11:57 < rxr> well - you install mozilla, all is fine. you install firefox, postinstall sees no MOZ_ in profile.d and does nothing - you remove mozilla and firefox stops working? 11:57 < jsaw> postinstall files are not recoreded in the flist, are they? 11:57 < jsaw> ok, then sysfiles 11:58 < rxr> well - our postinstall integration sucks anyway 11:58 < rxr> in a we should do some postinstall week and implement it in all the many missing places 11:59 < rxr> jsaw: why not patch the beasts startup script ? 11:59 < jsaw> I just wanted to express, that if I do not install X11 stuff I'd prefer not to have any config for that... 11:59 < jsaw> rxr: that's even better 11:59 < rxr> 11:54 < rxr> let's patch the startup files, or? 11:59 < jsaw> oh 11:59 < jsaw> I missunderstood 12:00 < jsaw> thought you were talking about /etc/profile.d files 12:00 * jsaw is pressing [<<] 12:01 < rxr> ,-) 12:01 < rxr> ok - I go and patch those 12:02 < jsaw> btw, firefox 1.0.7 released 12:03 < rxr> jsaw: ack - curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 12:03 < rxr> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 22. Please read the curl manpage. 12:03 < rxr> Creating cksum.patch ... 12:03 < rxr> !!! File not present: download/mirror/f/firefox-1.0.7-source.tar.bz2 12:03 < jsaw> tststs 12:04 < rxr> as usual they release everything but the source and then - some time later - the source if someone feels to 12:04 < jsaw> *gah* 12:10 < rxr> yuck 12:10 < rxr> konqueror works for me ,-) 12:20 < rxr> so - damn crap - /me now checking out the full fedora core junk 12:21 < rxr> viewcvs is to limitted to browse their ugly RPM style junk 12:21 < rxr> man - I know why we have T2 and not this hell of a build system ... 12:22 < rxr> .oO 12:22 < rxr> how many patches do they throw into gcc ... - my oh my ... 12:27 < rxr> cool - fedora core has nvi - mabe I can rip out some patch to fix segfaulting on x86-64 ,-) 12:37 < rxr> hm - there is a newer nvi even: 12:38 < rxr> ftp://ftp.foretune.co.jp/pub/tools/nvi 12:39 < rxr> http://www.kotnet.org/~skimo/nvi/devel/ 12:42 < rxr> oehm - ah! 12:42 < rxr> RedHat^WFedora Core is replacing the whole mozilla.sh.in ! 12:42 < rxr> same for firefox 12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r12039 /trunk/package/www/ (firefox/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch mozilla/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch): 12:55 < CIA-9> * patched mozilla and firefox to find the plugins placed in the 12:55 < CIA-9> system mozilla plugin directory (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) 13:27 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE2F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:32 < rxr> ouhm - now I get all the video shockwave commercials in konqueror - uhm 13:34 < Baldzius> :)))) 13:36 < rxr> jsaw: rewriting embeddedSTL streams in real C++ and the standard set of classes (so e.g. my pstream would work) is quite high on my TODO list now ... ,-) 13:37 * rxr searching for some lunch 13:53 < CIA-9> aldas * r12040 /trunk/package/develop/newt/ (. compile-fix.patch deplist-fix.patch newt.cache newt.desc): * added newt (0.51.6) 14:24 < jsaw> rxr: nice 14:24 < jsaw> cu all 14:26 < valentin> rxr: when shall i come over ? 14:27 < rxr> valentin: if you like to , sure 14:27 * rxr is here 14:28 < rxr> oh - when - well - when you like ,-) 14:28 < rxr> Baldzius: what is newt about? 14:28 < Baldzius> rxr: partimage requires it 14:28 < rxr> Baldzius: oh 14:29 < Baldzius> so i'am 1 step closer to partimage :) 14:30 < rxr> ,-) 14:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12041 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.conf: * fixed (hopefully) firefox component registration (untested) 15:28 < rxr> hehe - daja and I moron in the #firefox channel about the missing source ... 15:28 < rxr> 14:49 < rxr> hi all 15:28 < rxr> 14:49 < rxr> what is the rational behind the relasing the source last for every new release of firefox out there? 15:28 < rxr> 5:01 < daja77> hi can somebody tell where I get the 1.0.7 firefox source? 15:28 < rxr> 15:25 < rxr> hi daja77 15:28 < rxr> 15:25 < rxr> 14:49 < rxr> what is the rational behind the relasing the source last for every new release of firefox out there? 15:28 < rxr> 15:25 < daja77> oh hi rxr 15:28 < rxr> 15:26 < daja77> so you are waiting too 15:28 < rxr> 15:26 < rxr> daja77: well - more "waiting like for any release's source to appear out of a dusty dark corner days before the windows binary saw the light of the world" 15:28 < rxr> 15:27 < daja77> strange policy 15:28 < rxr> 15:27 < daja77> I'd like to package it now ... 15:28 < rxr> 15:27 < rxr> daja77: yeah, ... 15:28 < rxr> 15:28 < rxr> maybe we should drop this buggy slow browser - konqueror always works for me (tm) 15:28 < rxr> 15:28 < daja77> and opera is free to use too ;) 15:31 < valentin> hehe 15:32 < valentin> what did they answer ? 15:32 < rxr> nothing 15:32 < rxr> dead channel 15:32 [Users #t2] 15:32 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9] [ mnemoc] [ nzg] [ SerWou ] 15:32 [ _Lewellyn] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin] 15:32 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 15:32 < valentin> rxr: i prepare to leave ... 15:32 < rxr> ok - cu then 15:32 < valentin> when will you drive to your parents ? tomorow ? 15:33 < rxr> there will be some postal sticker on the house door I think 15:33 < rxr> you could bring that with in if it is still there when you arrive 15:33 < rxr> friday I think 15:35 < valentin> postal sticker on the house door ? 15:36 < valentin> in your letterbox ? 15:36 < rxr> I think on the front 15:36 < valentin> oehm - ok... 15:37 < rxr> dont forget the camera ,-) 15:37 < rxr> kamera even ,-) 15:37 < valentin> hehe - nope. 15:38 < valentin> what camera ? did i mention i have a new one ^^ ? 15:39 < valentin> can kerstin come with me ? 15:40 < rxr> sure 15:40 < rxr> and janna I guess ? 15:45 < valentin> of course :) 15:45 < valentin> ok, cu then 16:05 -!- daja77 [i=[8f65Yh5@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #t2 16:09 < daja77> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/21/1252213 16:09 < daja77> ... 16:11 < rxr> hi daja77 16:12 < rxr> daja77: hahaha 16:12 < daja77> this is so ridiculous 16:28 < daja77> 16:15 < clifford> how is T2 doing btw? 16:28 < daja77> hm actually I have no idea 16:35 < rxr> t2 is doing well - @r12041 16:36 < daja77> *gg* 16:40 < rxr> from our update rate I guess nearly half of the packages are more up-to-date and many bugs fixed as well ... 16:40 < rxr> and we have a lot of new packages 16:41 < rxr> 1842 at the moment 16:42 < daja77> any fundamental changes compared to rock 2.0? 16:42 < rxr> oeh - yes - a lot 16:43 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html 16:43 < rxr> ^- has some docu 16:43 < rxr> but it does not list all 16:43 < rxr> best run diff and be astonished ,-) 16:44 < daja77> guess that would be confusing 16:44 < daja77> especially when running against rock trunk (3.0) 16:45 < mnemoc> moin 16:46 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr 16:46 < rxr> moin mnemoc 16:48 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget target inherence ;) 16:48 < mnemoc> rxr: and automatic fallback to original location when mirror doesn't have the file 16:49 < mnemoc> rxr: custextract, and zip autoextract are also good things 16:50 < daja77> the fallback is new? 16:50 < mnemoc> i don't know if i added it on rock or t2 :\ 16:50 * mnemoc puzzled 16:51 < daja77> both ^^ 16:51 < mnemoc> :p 16:51 < mnemoc> full dietlibc and uclibc support are also good things 16:52 < daja77> kde linked against dietlibc? 16:52 < mnemoc> but we don't have pkg-fork-like, pkg-split-like or large crosscompiling 16:52 < mnemoc> at least against uclibc it does.... i don't use dietlibc :p 16:53 < mnemoc> how is the emulated-native cross compiling called on ROCK? 16:54 < daja77> cross-native build iirc 16:54 < mnemoc> does it work fine? 16:54 < daja77> can't tell 16:55 < mnemoc> :) 17:47 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178165245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:47 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:47 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005] 17:47 [Users #t2] 17:47 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] 17:47 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 17:47 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ daja77 ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] 17:47 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 17:47 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:47 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:47 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 21 secs 17:54 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178158161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:00 -!- You're now known as rxr 18:13 -!- Postal [n=Postal@216.47.177.138] has joined #t2 18:13 < Postal> Hey all 18:13 < Postal> I finally have a computer again 18:14 < Postal> anyway just wanted to stop by to say hello and that time permiting i will be back about 4:30pm est 18:14 -!- Postal [n=Postal@216.47.177.138] has quit [Client Quit] 18:41 < CIA-9> chris * r12042 /trunk/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc): 18:41 < CIA-9> * updated snort (2.3.3 -> 2.4.0) 18:41 < CIA-9> * fixed and cleaned up snort.conf, but still needs a lot of improvements 18:41 < CIA-9> * Note: snort rules and contrib stuff are not included anymore in the source distribution 18:48 < CIA-9> chris * r12043 /trunk/package/security/snort/snort.desc: 18:48 < CIA-9> * updated snort (2.4.0 -> 2.4.1) 18:48 < CIA-9> * Note: this update includes some important updates! For more information see -> http://www.snort.org/docs/release_notes/release_notes_241.txt 18:50 < CIA-9> rene * r12044 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added mozplugger to the archivista target 18:52 < mnemoc> how is brlcad started? o.o 18:52 < mnemoc> it has literaly hundred binaries 18:54 < Baldzius> :) 18:54 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i started it once, but can't remember now :) 19:04 < mnemoc> mged :p 19:04 < CIA-9> rene * r12045 /trunk/target/archivista/ (build_image.sh pdf.patch): 19:04 < CIA-9> * patched the archivista server side perl code to form a URL that can 19:04 < CIA-9> be recognized by the pdf downloader extension of mozilla / firefox 19:04 < CIA-9> (temporary fix only - the extension should at some point look into 19:04 < CIA-9> the mime type ...) 19:11 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:12 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 19:12 < _Ragnar_> hi rene 19:13 < rxr> maybe we should switch to CVS checkouts for firefox / mozilla - when they need over a day to hand us the source ... 19:13 < _Ragnar_> *g* 19:13 < rxr> ouhm - my accus are again popping ... 19:13 < rxr> damn things ... 19:14 < rxr> they get hot like hell in this high tech, hich AMP charger ... 19:14 < rxr> never ever will I invest into conrad accus again ... 19:14 < rxr> and this people did not wanted to have them back - they claim it is normal and they will not explode ... 19:14 < rxr> :-( 19:18 < CIA-9> rene * r12046 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/mozpluggerrc: * made xpdf the default pdf plugin for the mozilla family in target/archivista 19:19 < rxr> damn - and why are so many more planes flying over this flat since a few days ... 19:20 < rxr> well - I have this self-made, fet with a mp3 stream, AMP on the desk, but ... 19:22 < _Ragnar_> rxr: conrad sucks, indeed 19:29 < rxr> yeah, ... 19:30 < rxr> 10EUR for 2 high capacity 2400mAh NMh mingon cells is enough ... 19:30 < rxr> though next time I will pay the panasonic or so extra fee ... 19:31 < rxr> in the hope thoses do not include this insterestingly scaring popping and cracking sound ... 19:33 < rxr> hm - amd I blind or is this the same match twice: 19:33 < rxr> LINK CXX Linux-i386/tests/pstream.o 19:33 < rxr> tests/pstream.cc: In function `int main()': 19:33 < rxr> tests/pstream.cc:19: error: request for member `rdbuf' is ambiguous 19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:179: error: candidates are: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf(std::basic_streambuf*) 19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: candidates are: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const 19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:179: error: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf(std::basic_streambuf*) 19:33 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const 19:36 < rxr> tests/pstream.cc:19: error: request for member `rdbuf' is ambiguous 19:36 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: candidates are: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const 19:36 < rxr> lib/../include/ios:175: error: std::basic_streambuf* std::basic_ios::rdbuf() const 19:36 < rxr> ^- what the heck 19:36 < rxr> is this some gcc bug or whatever with multiple inheritance ... ? 19:41 < rxr> next plane 19:41 < rxr> I wonder what the h*ll is going on here ... 19:41 < rxr> I never ever had so many planes here - especially not directly over this house ... 19:42 < _Ragnar_> o_o 19:43 < rxr> maybe some special flights for this annoying politicans all trying to become Kanzler ? 19:43 < rxr> in that case morpho's rocket luncher would indeed be nice to have 19:45 < _Ragnar_> indeed 19:45 < _Ragnar_> :) 19:50 < _Lewellyn> bah. neither the mnemosyne2 target nor the boot disc built properly :/ 19:50 < mnemoc> uhm? 19:51 < _Lewellyn> one moment. putting files online :) 19:53 < rxr> boot disc in trunk is WIP, to be changed drastically - I hope you work on stable if you want a smooth build ,-) 19:53 * rxr soon of 19:53 < _Lewellyn> this is stable, yes... 19:54 * mnemoc want to see that 19:54 < _Lewellyn> server ns1.above.net 19:54 < _Lewellyn> erp 19:54 < CIA-9> rene * r12047 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.template: * fixed archivista/rootfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.template overlay patch 19:58 < _Lewellyn> is there anything other than the output that will be useful? 19:58 < _Lewellyn> huh. the bootdisc built fine this time. 19:58 < _Lewellyn> (or so it said, i'll put up the original errors, still. 19:59 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/ 19:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: misc/archive/RegressionsReport.sh 20:00 < CIA-9> rene * r12048 /trunk/package/www/ (firefox/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch mozilla/MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patch): 20:00 < CIA-9> * fixed thinko in new MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH.patchs: use static path, not 20:00 < CIA-9> depending on the install prefix and mozilla variant name 20:00 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: bootdisk = SPP oddity 20:00 * rxr preparing to leave - su when I arrive over @ susan ... ,-) 20:01 < _Lewellyn> have fun :) 20:01 < _Lewellyn> ok, so the bootdisk should be fine then 20:01 < _Lewellyn> i'll put up the regressions asap 20:02 < mnemoc> asterisk... uhm... uhm 20:02 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg asterisk -oldconfig works fine? 20:02 < _Lewellyn> ya. it clobbers the screen when i don't redirect the output, so i don't know what was there just before :/ 20:02 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i'll try after the regression report 20:03 < mnemoc> 2>&1 > config_fubar 20:04 < _Lewellyn> that's the only way i got anything up on the web ;) 20:04 < _Lewellyn> i'm really curious what happened before, though. 20:04 < _Lewellyn> my xterm scrollback was funky 20:05 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg asterisk -oldconfig 2>&1 > config_fubar 20:05 < rxr> still no firefox source - ... 20:05 < rxr> so - cu soon 20:05 < _Lewellyn> again, have fun :) 20:11 < daja77> the firefox hp only talks about products ... 20:11 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: reload :) 20:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: # ./scripts/Config -cfg officedesktop -oldconfig 20:12 < mnemoc> Creating configuration script. 20:12 < mnemoc> T2 2.1-stable configuration ... 20:12 < mnemoc> New config written to config/officedesktop/*. 20:12 < mnemoc> Cleaning up. Configuration finished. 20:12 < _Lewellyn> that's oldconfig.txt 20:12 < mnemoc> anything else is a bug 20:12 < _Lewellyn> the regressions are there, too 20:13 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: is your host a T2? 20:13 < mnemoc> run Build-Target -cfg bootdisk again 20:14 < _Lewellyn> my host is rock. somewhere between 2.0.1 and 2.0.4 20:14 < mnemoc> uhm qmail needs nroff 20:14 < _Lewellyn> and the bootdisk worked the second time. 20:15 < mnemoc> ezmlm too 20:15 < _Lewellyn> why is it trying to build ezmlm? that was something i found odd 20:15 < mnemoc> if you select qmail you get ezmlm 20:16 < _Lewellyn> oh 20:16 < mnemoc> cat target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Services/Mail/MTA.qmail.choice 20:17 < mnemoc> those modules need refactoring anyway 20:18 < _Lewellyn> ah 20:19 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: grep SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_DOC config/asterisk/config 20:19 < mnemoc> why qmail on your asterisk server and not nullmailer? 20:21 < _Lewellyn> what is nullmailer? 20:21 < _Lewellyn> we need it to be able to send email upon vairous machine failures, and qmail was the only mailer 20:21 < mnemoc> an MTA which simply pass the ball to another smtp :p 20:21 < _Lewellyn> AH 20:21 < mnemoc> the only mailer on the selection? 20:21 < _Lewellyn> that's what i want, yes 20:22 < _Lewellyn> i thought nullmailer was a "will build nothing" choice 20:22 < mnemoc> :) 20:22 < mnemoc> nullmailer is what most people need 20:23 < _Lewellyn> :) 20:24 < mnemoc> # cat target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Console/DOC.minimal.choice 20:24 < mnemoc> #Description: Usual Documentation 20:24 < mnemoc> #Imply: minimal 20:24 < _Lewellyn> help text++ 20:24 < mnemoc> pff 20:24 < _Lewellyn> ;) 20:24 < mnemoc> DOC.minimal is self referencing :p 20:24 < _Lewellyn> yes 20:24 < mnemoc> it should say: #Imply: core 20:24 < _Lewellyn> you can't choose Usual, either. 20:25 < _Lewellyn> i tried 20:25 < _Lewellyn> i prefer to have more man pages than truly necessary 20:25 < _Lewellyn> never know when you want them :) 20:25 < mnemoc> fix that line and try again :) 20:30 < _Lewellyn> nope. choosing Usual displays "minimal" still 20:30 < mnemoc> Usual==minimal 20:30 < _Lewellyn> oh. 20:30 < mnemoc> bad naming i guess 20:30 < valentin> re 20:31 < _Lewellyn> the menu has 2 choices: Minimal Documentation and Usual Documentation 20:31 < _Lewellyn> re valentin 20:31 < mnemoc> and minimal is core 20:31 < mnemoc> very bad naming 20:31 < _Lewellyn> bad naming then, yes. 20:31 < valentin> re 20:31 < _Lewellyn> i was confused and decided "screw it" and continued onward. 20:32 < mnemoc> you prefer: "minimal and usual" or "core and minimal" ? 20:32 < _Lewellyn> Core and Usual ;) 20:32 < mnemoc> wb valentin 20:32 * mnemoc fixing 20:32 < _Lewellyn> having minimal impies a larger set someplace 20:33 < _Lewellyn> and if you can never choose a larger set, the name is kinda odd 20:33 < mnemoc> :) 20:34 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: svn up Console dir 20:34 < valentin> hi mnemoc, _Lewellyn 20:37 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: css for regressions report is welcomed :) 20:39 < _Lewellyn> gar. svn: Won't delete locally modified file 'DOC.minimal.choice' 20:40 < _Lewellyn> i can worry about that at lunctime, yes? :) 20:40 < _Lewellyn> (the css) 20:40 < mnemoc> rm the file if your changes are part of DOC.usual.choice 20:41 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: great :) 20:42 < _Lewellyn> hrm. i dislike that behavior of svn. 20:42 < _Lewellyn> it refused to continue updating after it hit that unremoveable file. 20:43 < mnemoc> safety 20:43 < mnemoc> :) 20:43 < _Lewellyn> i think half an update is far less safe than a spare file :) 20:43 < mnemoc> :) 20:44 < _Lewellyn> hrm. what sort of css? just to remove the table-based layout? 20:45 < _Lewellyn> i think the inner tables are appropriate. 20:45 < mnemoc> just to make it look nicer :) 20:45 < _Lewellyn> i think it looks perfectly nice and functional as it is :) 20:45 < mnemoc> really? 20:45 < mnemoc> thanks :p 20:46 < _Lewellyn> my only complaint would be the columns of colons 20:46 < _Lewellyn> yes 20:46 < mnemoc> send patches :) 20:46 < mnemoc> i suck doing UI, and that page is not the exception 20:50 < _Lewellyn> remember that minimal is generally a good idea for pages with lots of data :) 20:50 < _Lewellyn> (look at google, for an example) 20:51 < _Lewellyn> so, is it safe for me to Build-Target again? 20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: -: input contains a loop: 20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_ZOPE 20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_PYTHON 20:52 < _Lewellyn> tsort: SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK 20:52 < _Lewellyn> Died at ./target/mnemosyne2/mnemosyne.pl line 258, line 80. 20:52 < _Lewellyn> mnemosyne.pl failed! 20:52 < _Lewellyn> :( 20:52 < mnemoc> i just commited a fix for that :p 20:52 < _Lewellyn> (that order is backwards, too...) 20:52 < mnemoc> a hack, not a fix 20:53 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE839.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:53 < mnemoc> i made ZOPE force NETWORK instead of depending on it :( 20:53 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 20:53 < _Lewellyn> what is devtools? 20:53 < _Lewellyn> hoi morfoh 20:53 < morfoh> hey mnemoc, _Lewellyn :) 20:53 < mnemoc> stuff needed to build T2 20:53 < _Lewellyn> so not gcc & family? 20:53 < mnemoc> nope 20:54 < mnemoc> that is always enabled :) 20:54 < _Lewellyn> but stuff required to say... Emerge-Pkg? 20:54 < mnemoc> not really 20:54 < mnemoc> but subversion is part of it iirc 20:54 < _Lewellyn> so, it's safe to leave it off... 20:54 < _Lewellyn> where is cvs? 20:55 < morfoh> fortunately Emerge_pkg is not mandantory ;) 20:55 < _Lewellyn> i just realized a few mins ago that i didn't see it. 20:55 < mnemoc> cvs,tla and svn are on DEVTOOLS module 20:55 < _Lewellyn> so devtools is needed, then 20:55 < mnemoc> on some contexts, yes 20:56 < _Lewellyn> well, for me :) 20:56 < mnemoc> :) 20:56 < mnemoc> basic compiler is always there because we need it to build the target, and currently we can't filter what is installed on a nice way 20:56 < _Lewellyn> what is Director? 20:57 < morfoh> :( 20:57 < mnemoc> lvs 20:57 * _Lewellyn needs to write some help text, i think... 20:57 < _Lewellyn> lvs? 20:57 < mnemoc> :) 20:57 < mnemoc> www.linux-vs.org 20:57 < mnemoc> + www.keepalived.org 20:58 < _Lewellyn> so, not needed for me. 20:58 < mnemoc> a director stands on front of a pseudo-cluster to balance load, fail tolerance, etc... 20:58 < morfoh> .oO( welcome to mnemoc's and morfoh's buzzword bingo )o :) 20:58 < _Lewellyn> and is "ftp" only the server, or the client, too? 20:58 < mnemoc> only server 20:59 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: heh. a coworker is pseudo-famous thanks to his bullshit bingo site :) 20:59 < mnemoc> twoftpd to me precise 20:59 < _Lewellyn> http://www.perkigoth.com/home/kermit/stuff/bullshitbingo/ 20:59 < mnemoc> *click* 20:59 < morfoh> *clack* 21:00 < _Lewellyn> yaknow, it's really too bad that ncftpd isn't free. 21:00 < _Lewellyn> that's a nice ftpd :( 21:00 < mnemoc> twoftpd is nicer :) 21:00 < _Lewellyn> oh? how so? 21:00 < morfoh> pureftpd !!! 21:01 < _Lewellyn> i really like that it will push a tarball at the client instead of making the client open up the directory tree on a recursive get 21:01 < mnemoc> yes, pureftpd is quite decent 21:01 < mnemoc> but twoftpd is better :) 21:01 < _Lewellyn> it's got some nice statistics reporting (and almost attractive to boot!) too 21:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps :p 21:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ? 21:02 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: does twoftpd do the auto tarring of directories and have pretty statistical reports that you can pull up in a meeting to change the subject? :) 21:02 < mnemoc> faster, simpler, cleaner 21:02 < _Lewellyn> also, is 4 a good number for "Maximum number of jobs to be executed in parallel"? 21:02 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i also hate IMAP servers which can be used to send mails 21:03 < _Lewellyn> that i hate, too. 21:03 < _Lewellyn> especially if they allow anon imap :( 21:03 < rxr> re 21:03 < _Lewellyn> re rxr 21:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: why do you hate IMAP ? 21:03 < mnemoc> morfoh: i love IMAP 21:04 < _Lewellyn> not imap. imap sendmail 21:04 < mnemoc> wb rxr 21:04 < _Lewellyn> where you don't use a separate mailserver for sending and recieving. 21:04 < morfoh> ic 21:04 < _Lewellyn> just stick the message in the right place and it's gone. 21:07 < _Lewellyn> also, why did that svn up remove all my config options, btw? 21:07 < mnemoc> i prefer to use a robust smtp, instead of just 'injecting' messages :) 21:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: it doesn't 21:07 < _Lewellyn> well, most. not all. 21:07 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: Ctrl-C does 21:07 < _Lewellyn> i had to reselect most of the items. 21:08 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: aborting Config is something to avoid 21:08 < _Lewellyn> hm. that also is bad, but i don't think that was it. 21:09 < mnemoc> rxr: engage fails to build if 'e' is installed 21:09 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 21:10 < _Lewellyn> urk. it's going to rebuild everything now, and not use the existing packages? :( 21:10 < _Lewellyn> oh. nevermind. i guess htere are just some new things 21:10 < mnemoc> uhm? 21:10 < mnemoc> if you changed optimization, config name or target, the thing is rebuilt 21:10 < mnemoc> if not build/foo-* is continued 21:10 < _Lewellyn> texinfo was disabled before 21:11 < mnemoc> DOC.minimal thing 21:11 < _Lewellyn> yar 21:11 < mnemoc> but the packages already built wont be rebuild 21:11 < _Lewellyn> so i'm seeing :) 21:12 < _Lewellyn> and upping the parallelism to 7 is far better at eating cpu :) 21:12 < mnemoc> :) 21:12 < _Lewellyn> i think i'll need 10, but i feel that is too large to be actually used. 21:13 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to ask work if i can host a amd64 build box here on an externalish vlan. 21:13 < _Lewellyn> if so, i think i found a NICE intel em64t box for about $600. 21:13 < _Lewellyn> amd64 is pricier, oddly enough 21:14 < mnemoc> :) 21:16 < _Lewellyn> build failed again. 21:16 < _Lewellyn> :( 21:16 < _Lewellyn> asterisk2.txt at the same url as before 21:16 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/asterisk2.txt 21:17 < mnemoc> that is not a failure 21:17 < mnemoc> just a report 21:17 < _Lewellyn> then why is ser not found? 21:17 < _Lewellyn> and nullmailer? 21:17 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg asterisk 21:17 < _Lewellyn> which it just built like 30 secs prior? 21:17 < _Lewellyn> 188 builds total, 177 completed fine, 11 with errors. 21:17 < _Lewellyn> i see 21:18 < mnemoc> and mono and qmail where enabled before, but not now 21:18 < mnemoc> were* 21:18 < mnemoc> so you have to remove them to stop seeing the scream :) 21:18 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg asterisk -remove qmail mono ezmlm checkpassword 21:19 < mnemoc> also remove the failed packages 21:19 < mnemoc> to let them rebuild 21:19 < _Lewellyn> ok, and how can i force the failed packages to rebuild? 21:19 < _Lewellyn> oh 21:19 < mnemoc> or at Config 21:19 < mnemoc> (4) Continue if package-build fails after stage 4 21:19 < mnemoc> [ ] Retry building broken packages 21:20 < _Lewellyn> hrm. i probably should have turned off the ansi output, too... 21:22 < _Lewellyn> also, what depends on mono? 21:22 < _Lewellyn> it's something i never selected but it seems to have built anyway 21:23 < mnemoc> ASP.NET maybe 21:23 < _Lewellyn> and how do i empty the compiler cache for a package? 21:23 < _Lewellyn> nope. no need for any .netness 21:23 < mnemoc> rm -rf build/cache-foo/package :) 21:23 < _Lewellyn> ok :) 21:23 < _Lewellyn> iptables is funky 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[32;1m->ESC[0m Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (78 hits, 0 misses) 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m iptables.o(.text+0x22ed): In function `delete_chain': 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m iptables.c: undefined reference to `iptc_delete_chain' 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m iptables.o(.text+0x231b):iptables.c: undefined reference .. 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ESC[31;1m!>ESC[0m make: *** [iptables-save] Error 1 21:24 < mnemoc> on iptables.desc add [F] NOPARALLEL 21:24 < mnemoc> below [C] 21:24 < _Lewellyn> ok. 21:24 < mnemoc> or patch it's Makefile to support parallelism properly 21:25 < _Lewellyn> how would i do that? 21:25 < _Lewellyn> wait no 21:25 < _Lewellyn> i'm more interested in getting it going first :) 21:25 < mnemoc> add the flag then :) 21:26 < _Lewellyn> i did :) 21:26 < daja77> firefox src is now available 21:27 < _Lewellyn> hrm... it seems to be complaining that downloads aren't found... and i've run Download a few times. :/ 21:27 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: the first try is on the mirrror, the second on the original download location considering possible translations done by misc/share/DownloadTranslations 21:28 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: my mirrors are perfectly up-to-date, but they are slow :\ 21:28 < _Lewellyn> it seems to not even try downloading these 21:29 < _Lewellyn> i'm running ./scripts/Download -required -cfg asterisk 21:29 < mnemoc> -cfg asterisk -required 21:30 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download -required -cfg asterisk == config=default :D 21:30 < _Lewellyn> aha. they're all giving 404s 21:30 < valentin> damn, my wireless AP is in a permanent reset cycle 21:30 < mnemoc> on mirror or original download lcoation? 21:30 < _Lewellyn> unsure how to read it. 21:30 < _Lewellyn> one sec 21:30 < mnemoc> valentin: you need a new AP :( 21:31 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/Download.txt 21:32 < mnemoc> both 21:32 < mnemoc> change your mirror :p 21:33 < _Lewellyn> it chose nexus.tfh-berlin.de this time, and 404s still 21:33 < mnemoc> inject mine for now 21:33 < _Lewellyn> what's the url? 21:33 < mnemoc> messaged 21:33 < _Lewellyn> thanks 21:38 < _Lewellyn> so, why are the options order dependent? 21:39 < mnemoc> what options? 21:40 < _Lewellyn> for Download :) 21:40 < mnemoc> because the 'parser' is dumb 21:40 < _Lewellyn> that should be fixed. perhaps i'll see if i can help that later :) 21:40 < _Lewellyn> hrm. 21:40 < _Lewellyn> links won't build 21:40 < mnemoc> ? 21:40 < _Lewellyn> no libpng 21:41 < _Lewellyn> which shouldn't even be necessary 21:41 < mnemoc> oops 21:41 < _Lewellyn> i've got no X 21:41 < mnemoc> i forgot to fix that.... minute 21:42 < CIA-9> amery * r12049 /trunk/package/www/links/links.conf: * fixed links by enabling graphic mode only if libpng is available 21:43 < _Lewellyn> i'll svn up after the builds are done this time 21:43 < rxr> re 21:43 < _Lewellyn> rere rxr 21:43 < mnemoc> wb rxr 21:45 < CIA-9> amery * r12050 /branches/2.1/package/www/links/links.conf: * merged 12049 from trunk: fixed links by enabling graphic mode only if libpng is available 21:46 < rxr> firefox source appear 21:46 < rxr> update in some seconds++ 21:46 < mnemoc> 14.5% :\ 21:47 < mnemoc> morfoh: Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/C/Community-Rules-2.4.tar.gz.cksum-err (2168602392) 21:49 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: did you got the files? 21:49 < _Lewellyn> yes 21:49 < _Lewellyn> ser is building now 21:49 < mnemoc> a:) 21:49 < mnemoc> -a 21:50 < _Lewellyn> since we're at ser, it should be done in a couple moments :) 21:50 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you can switch to fast mirror now ;) 21:50 < _Lewellyn> ok ;) 21:50 < _Lewellyn> thanks again 21:50 < mnemoc> yw 21:59 < _Ragnar_> btw: duplicate file usr/include/postproc/postprocess.h: ffmpeg mplayer 22:00 < mnemoc> :\ 22:01 < valentin> so - plugged in good old ethernet cable. but kerstin has to fight with wlan still ... 22:02 < _Lewellyn> valentin: if you were local, i'd walk a spare ap to you :) 22:02 < valentin> after switching the AP off for some minutes it seems to work again ... 22:02 < valentin> _Lewellyn: thanks 22:03 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/asterisk5.txt 22:03 < _Lewellyn> why am i still getting the packages i removed? 22:04 < mnemoc> you removed them from your build 22:04 < mnemoc> but not the already generated .gem files 22:04 < mnemoc> or cache files 22:04 < mnemoc> remove them by hand 22:04 < mnemoc> grep: Invalid regular expression <--- odd 22:05 < CIA-9> rene * r12051 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (1.0.6 -> 1.0.7) 22:05 < _Lewellyn> yar 22:06 < mnemoc> 47.3% .... and i started before you :( 22:07 < rxr> :( 22:07 < rxr> Finished downloading 32793876 bytes in 139.531 seconds (235029.000 bytes/sec). 22:07 < mnemoc> oh 22:07 < Baldzius> :) 22:08 < Baldzius> supersonic 22:08 < rxr> valentin's DSL is even faster - and has way higher upload ... 22:08 < mnemoc> oh 22:09 < mnemoc> 256/128 DSL at my work place 22:09 < mnemoc> and 64k at home :\ 22:09 < Baldzius> i will have at home 256/128 DSL this friday :) 22:10 < Baldzius> bye bye to 64 Kb/s 22:10 < mnemoc> :D 22:10 < _Lewellyn> woo! asterisk6.txt :) 22:10 < _Lewellyn> bah. you're all lucky. i've got absolutely no internet access where i live 22:11 < rxr> mnemoc: 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=1 ttl=249 time=26.9 ms 22:11 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin's is as low as 21ms or so 22:11 < _Lewellyn> to where? your gateway? 22:11 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: remove whatever build/asterisk-2.1-stable-x86-pentium3-mnemosyne2/var/adm/logs/unicode_crap.err is 22:12 < mnemoc> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=1 ttl=227 time=329.1 ms <-- office 22:12 < _Lewellyn> it's that funky file from yesterday. i think it's ansi. 22:12 < _Lewellyn> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=171.3 ms 22:12 < mnemoc> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=8 ttl=236 time=387.6 ms <--- build/download server 22:12 < _Lewellyn> that's from here in san francisco 22:16 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/asterisk7.txt 22:16 < rxr> I did not want to trigger world wide pings - that is a server in .de and I only wanted to express land-line latency ... ,-) 22:17 < _Lewellyn> that's some pretty minimal output... 22:17 < _Lewellyn> rxr: :) sorry... 22:17 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :) 22:22 < _Lewellyn> woo! http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/21sep05/regressions/asterisk/regressions.html 22:25 < mnemoc> :) 22:25 < _Lewellyn> btw, what is 99-final, and why didn't it build? 22:26 < _Lewellyn> wow. creating the iso is fast. 22:26 < mnemoc> it's a package 'helper' 22:26 < mnemoc> a target can do there whatever it wants, inside the sandbox and $stagelevel dependent 22:27 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok. 22:28 < _Ragnar_> rxr: I got a not found error for firefox 22:28 < rxr> I think they auto rotate mirror 22:28 < rxr> I get another one know here @ susan 22:28 < mnemoc> rxr: how often do you sync mirrors? 22:29 < rxr> twice a day I think 22:29 < rxr> source that is 22:29 < rxr> binary only once IIRC 22:31 < _Ragnar_> hmmm dl by hand with lynx works 22:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/C/Community-Rules-2.4.tar.gz.cksum-err (2168602392) 22:41 < Baldzius> guys, i need group number for Partimage package, what number should i use? 22:43 < mnemoc> anything between it's dependencies and 999.999 22:43 < Baldzius> no mnemoc, not compile order number 22:43 < Baldzius> i have to add partimage user and gruop 22:44 < mnemoc> see misc/share/REGISTER 22:44 < Baldzius> ok 22:45 < Baldzius> so i have to update Register if i add new group? 22:49 < mnemoc> yes 22:50 < Baldzius> got it 22:50 < Baldzius> thanks 22:54 -!- Postal [n=Postal@ool-435627b0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 22:55 < Postal> Hey all 22:55 < _Lewellyn> hoi Postal 22:55 < Postal> I FINALLY got a computer 22:55 < _Lewellyn> yay :) 22:56 < CIA-9> amery * r12052 /trunk/package/network/nss_ldap/nss_ldap.desc: * updated nss_ldap (239 -> 241) 22:57 < Postal> I got the new PowerBook G4 22:57 < Postal> is rxr around> 22:58 < Postal> I know that hes a big mac guy 22:59 < mnemoc> there is an iso of 2.1.0-rc3 for g3 22:59 < rxr> Postal: be aware that the airport extreme does not yet work under linux 22:59 < rxr> but there is hope that it will some time soon 22:59 < rxr> weeks/months++ 22:59 < Postal> rxr i know... but isnt mac osx based on unix? 23:00 < Postal> therin the drivers would be similar 23:00 < Postal> could i plug in another wireless card like say a linksys... are they even mac compatable? 23:01 < rxr> Postal: no source no linux driver ... 23:02 < rxr> but the reverse engeneering takes some time ... 23:02 < Postal> rxr, the G3 G4 and G5, what is the diff between them.. and would a G3iso work on a G4 23:03 < mnemoc> I HATE TSORT! 23:03 < mnemoc> I HATE TSORT! 23:03 < mnemoc> I HATE TSORT! 23:10 < Postal> mnemoc, why? 23:11 < mnemoc> it doesn't follow orders 23:11 < Postal> yea im kinda like that lol 23:13 < rxr> n8 all 23:13 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 23:13 < Postal> N8 rxr 23:14 < _Lewellyn> the g3 iso should work fine on a g4, in theory 23:14 < _Lewellyn> sleep well rxr 23:15 < Postal> _Lewellyn.. what is the diff between g3 and g4? 23:17 < _Lewellyn> g4 is a newer technology chip. like 386 -> 486 23:17 < _Lewellyn> g5 would be the big leap (think pentium) 23:17 < _Lewellyn> and, no, a g4 is not equiv to a 486. :) 23:17 < Postal> mm.. could i just install the g3 iso and recompile everything... 23:17 < Postal> what arch is the G4 in gcc terms? 23:17 < mnemoc> Postal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC 23:18 < Postal> PPC arch? 23:18 < mnemoc> g3 is ppc-750 23:18 < mnemoc> no idea what g4 is 23:19 < Postal> id have to look up the naming convention I bet the gentoo manual has it 23:19 < Postal> I'll look in a bit im finishing the last three pages of my Post Modernist Literature essay 23:19 < mnemoc> 7400 (PowerPC G4) (1999) 350 MHz, 7410 uses AltiVec, a SIMD extension of the original PPC specs 23:19 < mnemoc> ^---- wikipedia 23:20 * mnemoc doesn't want to write it's own token sorter! 23:23 * mnemoc doesn't want to write it's own token sorter! 23:24 < _Lewellyn> the box i'm sshed into has a 7455 23:24 < Postal> ..? 23:25 < _Lewellyn> that's the cpu 23:25 < _Lewellyn> the whole family is "g4" :) 23:25 < Postal> ok cool 23:25 < valentin> mnemoc: what is a token sorter ? 23:25 < _Lewellyn> valentin: info coreutils tsort 23:26 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:26 < _Lewellyn> Postal: a g3 build will run just fine for you 23:26 < valentin> tsort = topological sort 23:26 < mnemoc> valentin: yep 23:26 < mnemoc> valentin: but i only need horizontal 23:27 < mnemoc> A B 23:27 < mnemoc> B C 23:27 < mnemoc> A C 23:27 < mnemoc> ---> A B C 23:27 < mnemoc> only considering partial order given per line 23:27 < mnemoc> tsort seems to do more than that 23:28 < mnemoc> and the result is useless 23:28 < valentin> gimme an examle 23:28 < valentin> A B C is rigth 23:28 < valentin> right 23:28 < mnemoc> yes 23:29 < Postal> whats on the 2 iso's? 23:29 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i'm still concerned that we can't dupliate what you saw :( 23:29 < mnemoc> minute and you will 23:29 < mnemoc> let me revert a hack locally and i'll publish the broken test 23:30 < _Lewellyn> yesterday's test file worked fine :) 23:30 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12053 /trunk/package/kde/kdepim/hotfix.patch: * fix kdepim 23:31 < jsaw> *gah* 23:31 < jsaw> (glade-2:26736): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 23:32 < jsaw> (while building aqbanking) 23:32 < jsaw> re :) btw 23:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: i added xvfb-run to trunk 23:33 < jsaw> when, and what does it? 23:34 < mnemoc> fakes an X server 23:34 < _Lewellyn> xvfb rocks 23:34 < _Lewellyn> i use it to test page load times in mozilla across the world :) 23:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: and when did you add this? respective, how is it used? 23:35 < _Lewellyn> Xvfb -screen number WxHxD 23:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: it's part of xorg 23:35 < _Lewellyn> also -pixdepths is useful :) 23:35 < jsaw> okay, but give me an example of a package that uses it...!? 23:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: xvfb-run is an script i stole from debian to run something inside Xvfb 23:35 < _Lewellyn> Xvfb :1 -screen 1 1600x1200x16 23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: no package use it yet 23:36 < jsaw> ic 23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: i added it thinking in gaphor and firefox registration 23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: debian people use it very often 23:36 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: where is the script? 23:36 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: trunk's xorg 23:36 < Postal> So the G3 iso, what is on the 1st and 2nd iso's do I need both or just one? 23:36 < _Lewellyn> bah. ;) 23:37 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i'll not merge anything untested to 2.1 :) 23:37 < jsaw> how do I stop xvfb? 23:38 < _Lewellyn> kill the process :) 23:38 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn knows 23:38 < mnemoc> :) 23:39 < mnemoc> valentin: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/tsort.txt <--- tsort this 23:39 < _Lewellyn> usually, i run it from a shell as a background process, so i kill %+ :) 23:39 < mnemoc> valentin: VLAN shall be after NETADMIN, but it's before 23:39 < jsaw> hmmm... 23:39 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: why do you use it? 23:40 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: as i said, to run browsers on headless machines :) 23:40 < mnemoc> o.o 23:40 < mnemoc> what for? 23:40 < _Lewellyn> to see load times :) 23:40 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: um... 23:41 < _Lewellyn> netadmin's about 15 lines after vlan alright. 23:41 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: same tsort problem? 23:41 < _Lewellyn> is that the only one? 23:41 < mnemoc> that is the problem i found doing a build 23:41 < mnemoc> of mnemosyne 23:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: xvfb-run some-command 23:42 < jsaw> -> /usr/X11/bin/xvfb-run: line 140: tempfile: command not found 23:42 < jsaw> hehe 23:42 < _Lewellyn> how is tsort supposed to know that VLAN comes AFTER NETADMIN? 23:42 < mnemoc> i stole it, i didn't test it :) 23:42 < jsaw> :) 23:43 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: look for VLAN on tsort.txt 23:43 < _Lewellyn> ya. 2 instances 23:43 < mnemoc> # grep VLAN tsort.txt 23:43 < mnemoc> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN 23:43 < mnemoc> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETADMIN SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN 23:43 < mnemoc> NETADMIN _before_ VLAN 23:43 < mnemoc> VSERVER _before_ VLAN 23:43 < _Lewellyn> um. i don't have that latter line 23:44 < mnemoc> ? 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_MYSQL 23:44 < mnemoc> grep VLAN tsort.txt 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_IDS SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETADMIN 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_BASE 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETWORK SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VOIP_PBX 23:44 < valentin> mnemoc: some lines only contain one token 23:44 < _Lewellyn> those are the 2 instances of VLAN 23:44 < mnemoc> valentin: yes, i don't know anything about them 23:44 < _Lewellyn> root@tuffet:/tmp# grep -i vlan tsort.txt.1 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VSERVER SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN 23:44 < _Lewellyn> SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_NETADMIN SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_VLAN 23:44 < valentin> but you know that tsort does not evaluate '\n' ? 23:45 < valentin> it pairs the tokens 23:45 < mnemoc> per line 23:45 < valentin> nope 23:45 < mnemoc> nope? 23:45 < valentin> it does not matter if you type 23:45 < valentin> A B 23:45 < valentin> B C 23:45 < valentin> or 23:45 < valentin> A B B 23:45 < valentin> C 23:45 < valentin> both the same 23:45 < mnemoc> what send does it have then 23:45 < mnemoc> if i already gave it the list sorted? 23:46 < mnemoc> \n should delimit partial orders 23:46 < mnemoc> if not, it's just a list 23:46 < _Lewellyn> valentin is right 23:46 < valentin> yes, it is a list 23:46 < mnemoc> what sense does it make? 23:46 < valentin> a list of tuples 23:46 < valentin> all even numbered tokens are predecessors of the next token 23:47 < mnemoc> so they are already sorted 23:47 < mnemoc> and i don't need to sort anything 23:47 < valentin> even the info sais so 23:47 < valentin> mnemoc: ? 23:47 < valentin> tsort just builds a digraph on the input 23:47 < valentin> it does not assume anything to be sorted yet 23:47 < mnemoc> it reads two by two 23:48 < mnemoc> ? 23:48 < valentin> yes 23:48 < mnemoc> aha 23:48 < mnemoc> that is easy to solve 23:48 < _Lewellyn> valentin: have you used tsort before? :) 23:48 < valentin> a b c d translated to graphviz is a->b c->d 23:48 < mnemoc> let see... 23:48 < valentin> _Lewellyn: nope, didn't even know such thing existed 23:49 < _Lewellyn> valentin: oh. perhaps you can still explain the output of tsorting A B B C 23:49 < _Lewellyn> where does D come from? :( 23:50 < valentin> there is a D ? 23:50 < valentin> i get a b c 23:50 < mnemoc> i'll add a dummy token at the end and link all "nothing know" nodes pointing to it :) 23:51 < valentin> mnemoc: do you have lines with three tokens ? 23:51 < _Lewellyn> AD 23:51 < _Lewellyn> B 23:51 < _Lewellyn> C 23:51 < _Lewellyn> that's what i get 23:51 < mnemoc> valentin: no, 1 or 2 23:51 < valentin> $ tsort 23:51 < valentin> A B B C 23:51 < valentin> A 23:51 < valentin> B 23:51 < valentin> C 23:51 < mnemoc> damn latency 23:51 < _Lewellyn> [bandersnatch:~/Sites] lewellyn% tsort 23:51 < _Lewellyn> A B B C 23:51 < _Lewellyn> AD 23:51 < _Lewellyn> B 23:51 < _Lewellyn> C 23:52 < _Lewellyn> perhaps tsort's borked on osx 23:52 * _Lewellyn tries locally 23:52 < valentin> _Lewellyn: maybe you hit some controll char in osx terminal ? 23:52 < _Lewellyn> sure enough. it doesn't work in osx 23:52 < valentin> you often see such ghosts in that terminal 23:52 < _Lewellyn> i'm sshed in with an xterm :) 23:52 < mnemoc> looks better :D 23:52 < _Lewellyn> did the same exact thing both places. 23:52 < _Lewellyn> wonder where i can report that bug. 23:53 < mnemoc> valentin: thanks a lot of re-interpreting tsort man for me :) 23:53 < valentin> mnemoc: np :) 23:53 < _Lewellyn> osx is just another unix box to me :) 23:53 < valentin> _Lewellyn: osx terminal sucks, it often ghosts input chars 23:53 < _Lewellyn> ah. it's not gnu tsort! 23:53 < valentin> but where does that D come from ? 23:53 < _Lewellyn> valentin: again, i don't actually ever use the gui on osx :) 23:54 < _Lewellyn> dunno about to read the man page 23:54 < _Lewellyn> no clue. 23:54 < _Lewellyn> but the man page is far better 23:54 < _Lewellyn> Node names in the input are separated by white space and there must be an 23:54 < _Lewellyn> even number of node pairs. 23:54 < _Lewellyn> why doesn't the info page state that so specifically? 23:55 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: link the unknown nodes to themselves :) 23:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :) 23:55 < _Lewellyn> Presence of a node in a graph can be represented by an arc from the node 23:55 < _Lewellyn> to itself. This is useful when a node is not connected to any other 23:55 < _Lewellyn> nodes. 23:56 < mnemoc> oh 23:56 < mnemoc> that sounds better that adding a dummy node 23:56 < valentin> mnemoc: why do you need an ordering of isolated nodes ? 23:57 < mnemoc> valentin: dependencies 23:57 < mnemoc> valentin: of a bash if [ "$FOO" = 1 ]; then BAR = 1; fi if [ "$BAR" = 1 ]; then .... 23:59 < mnemoc> valentin: mnemosyne has pkgsel 'modules' which implement some features, which i can enable using UI or atomagicly if other module forces it 23:59 < mnemoc> valentin: and modules also have dependencies, which if they are not met the module is ignored 23:59 < mnemoc> i need the isolated nodes if it's standalone --- Log closed Thu Sep 22 00:00:03 2005