--- Log opened Tue Sep 13 00:00:12 2005 --- Day changed Tue Sep 13 2005 00:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: what about extending the pgsel parser to ask for i.e. "[ ] Services" ? 00:00 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has quit [Client Quit] 00:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: I mean ... this will reduce the possible viewable selections 00:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: just make services depend on an ask option 00:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: i wouldn't mess with the database backend on prelude-manager 00:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... but we would loose the directory structure 00:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: if user forget to select a backend, the build will fail 00:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: or did I misunderstood ? 00:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: see network vs. networking 00:03 < mnemoc> just let prelude-manager package detect what backends are available and abort if none is found 00:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ... but it will not abort. it will log in a plain text file ;) 00:05 < mnemoc> if prelude don't ungry, neither i 00:05 < mnemoc> angry* 00:07 < mnemoc> or, at IDS.conf enable one database module of none is enabled, if you want to be sure a BD is used 00:08 < mnemoc> if IDS.level in {manager,full} and not MYSQL, enable postgresql 00:08 < mnemoc> instead of forcing one DBMS 00:34 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 00:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... I'll try some things regarding the IDS stuff in syne2 tomorrow 00:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps I'll have some "enlightenment" while sleeping :) 00:44 < morfoh> good night * 00:45 < _Lewellyn> sleep well morfoh 00:45 < morfoh> thx _Lewellyn :) 00:46 < _Lewellyn> now. i wait for ragnar :) 00:48 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: hopefully you'll have success to catch him :) 00:48 < _Lewellyn> i hope so. 00:49 < _Lewellyn> irssi says he is on... 00:49 < _Lewellyn> hm. what's his usual hostmask? 00:56 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has left #t2 [] 01:15 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BED005.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:09 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SerWou, lewellyn^, _Ragnar_, Baldzius, nzg, sepp, _Lewellyn 03:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: _Lewellyn, Baldzius, nzg, sepp, lewellyn^, _Ragnar_ 03:36 -!- sparc-kly|T2 [n=t2@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:00 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 07:25 -!- SerWou [n=SerWou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 09:13 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFADA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 09:27 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF863A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:54 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 09:55 < morfoh> moin 09:57 < rxr> moin morfoh 09:57 < morfoh> moin moin rxr :) 09:57 < rxr> moin moin christian ,-) 09:58 < morfoh> rxr: oh! my g**d no real names please ;) 09:58 < morfoh> rxr: seems your a bit funny today :) 09:59 < morfoh> rxr: what happened ? 09:59 < morfoh> rxr: WLAN is running ? :p 09:59 < Baldzius> moin all :) 09:59 < morfoh> moin Baldzius ... :) 10:02 < rxr> morfoh: well - the new mini PCI investment works mostly (only occational firmware resets ...) - I only wanted to give you a warm welcome -,) 10:02 < morfoh> rxr: yeah ... I can imagine, because you're a very gentle person :) 10:05 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ 10:05 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png 10:05 < rxr> ^- the graph rocks so much - yay 10:07 < morfoh> rxr: yeah yeah ... it's a nice "t2 heartbeat" 10:08 < Baldzius> :) 10:09 < Baldzius> hehe by accident removed coreutils 10:09 < Baldzius> that's really fun :) 10:09 < CIA-9> rene * r11828 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.12.3 -> 0.12.4a) 10:11 < rxr> Benjamin Schieder: 10:11 < rxr> rockinitrd: add ld-linux.so.2 unconditionally to initrd and check for 10:11 < rxr> necessary /sbin/fsck.* files 10:12 < rxr> ^- the ROCK people are freaky enough to just copy system tools into the initrd and thus have a very fat dynamically linked one .. 10:12 < rxr> unbelievable .. 10:13 < Baldzius> rxr: btw i have new initrd problem compiling 2.6.13 10:14 < Baldzius> now my initrd is only 20B size 10:14 < sepp> moin 10:14 < Baldzius> moin sepp 10:14 < sepp> moin Baldzius 10:16 < rxr> Baldzius: ouhm 10:16 < rxr> moin sepp 10:16 < sepp> moin rxr 10:16 < sepp> what happened with g77? 10:17 < sepp> Baldzius: cpio was missing 10:17 < rxr> ah yes 10:18 < rxr> I remeber I wanted to add a check for cpio the the mkinitrd ,-) 10:18 < morfoh> moin sepp 10:19 < Baldzius> thanks :) 10:19 < sepp> moin morfoh 10:34 < CIA-9> rene * r11829 /trunk/package/multimedia/libtheora/libtheora.desc: * updated libtheora (1.0alpha4 -> 1.0alpha5) 10:37 < rxr> http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208 10:37 < rxr> ^- microsoft tried to recruit ESR 10:42 < sepp> lol diplomatic as usual 10:42 < rxr> "On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be 10:42 < rxr> heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but 10:42 < rxr> develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone 10:42 < rxr> will go superconductive." 10:42 < rxr> ,-) 10:51 < valentin> moin 10:51 < CIA-9> rene * r11830 /trunk/package/kde/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 10:51 < CIA-9> * updated digikam (0.7.2 -> 0.7.4) 10:51 < CIA-9> * added digikamimageplugins (0.7.4) 10:56 < rxr> moin valentin 10:58 < rxr> 1814 packages in tree ... 10:58 < rxr> 1900 when? Linux world expo latest I think ... 10:58 < rxr> 2000 to xmas ? 11:06 < morfoh> rxr: I can commit at least 2 new packages which are lingering around here ;) 11:11 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11831 /trunk/package/base/xinetd/gcc-4.0.patch: * fix for gcc4, imported from fedora core 11:23 -!- owl [n=owl@karnaya.de] has joined #t2 11:23 < owl> hi 11:24 < rxr> moin owl 11:25 < owl> hi rxr 11:26 < morfoh> hi owl 11:26 < owl> hi morfoh *g* 11:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: regarding our IDS discussion last night I'm not quite sure anymore, if we should rename "Prelude-IDS support" -> "Hybrid IDS framework" just due to "branding" issues in mnemosyne 11:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps it will be a bit confusing 11:39 < rxr> windows is making me agressive .. 11:39 < rxr> just logged some USB driver I/O and even that minutes make me demading to throw the box out of the window 11:40 * owl gives rxr a hammer :) 11:41 * morfoh hands out a t2 ISO to rxr <-- if you don't know what it is see -> http://www.t2-project.org :p 11:42 < rxr> yeah - thanks 11:42 < rxr> maybe the next T2 ISO will include the driver I'm writing right now ... 11:47 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r11832 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * updated libxml (2.6.21 -> 2.6.22) 14:13 < morfoh> rxr: if binaries of a package are not install by make install but by copying the stuff to the right location ... what hook should I use to copy the stuff? postmake ? 14:15 < rxr> yes 14:15 < morfoh> ok ... thanks 14:25 < CIA-9> chris * r11833 /trunk/package/network/sancp/ (. sancp.conf sancp.desc): * added sancp (1.6.1) 14:39 < morfoh> what fs type has a common USB stick ? 14:42 < rxr> fs type ? 14:42 < rxr> mine run ext2 ... 14:42 < rxr> factory delivered is usually vfat ... 14:45 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks for the info ;) 14:46 < rxr> and recently (like yesterday or so) I found out windows only displays the first partition 14:46 < rxr> ignoring multiple vfats ... 14:47 < valentin> rxr: what a perfect way to hide data on the stick :) 14:48 < morfoh> allright ya ... have to move. cu later ladies and gentlemen ;) 14:48 < morfoh> btw, hi papa valentin :) 14:51 < morfoh> oh! just committing a package update ... then I'll leave you alone with all the pain 14:51 < CIA-9> chris * r11834 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.0-rc5 -> 0.9.0-rc6) 14:51 < morfoh> ok cu :) 14:52 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 15:28 -!- CIA-9 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [] 15:33 -!- CIA-9 [n=CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 15:57 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has joined #t2 15:58 < Baldzius> jc, at last i am on 2.6.13 :) 15:59 < rxr> Baldzius: ,-) 16:00 < mnemoc> moin 16:00 < Baldzius> sound subsystem doesn't work, and have complaints abou devfsd 16:00 < Baldzius> but all ok 16:00 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc 16:01 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius 16:02 < rxr> Baldzius: a kernel built by trunk does not include devfs - I hope you know that ,-) 16:03 < rxr> hey mnemoc 16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: why not removing linux24 from trunk? 16:03 < rxr> mnemoc: for the sake of it -) 16:03 < rxr> ? 16:03 < rxr> yeah - we could remove it - do we need / want to? 16:03 < Baldzius> rxr: yes i know, they removed devfs from 2.6 16:03 < Baldzius> rxr: yes i know, they removed devfs from 2.6.13 16:03 < mnemoc> stepping back to 'tradicional /dev' sucks badly 16:03 < rxr> well - maybe leave it for postlinux.conf testing until there is 2.7 / 2.8 (in some years or a decade) 16:04 < mnemoc> 2.6.13 just removed devfs config option 16:04 < rxr> I know 16:04 < rxr> .14 might rmove it completely ... 16:04 < Baldzius> ic 16:04 < mnemoc> yep, i can go until .13 16:04 < Baldzius> i thought the removed completly 16:04 < mnemoc> not yet 16:04 < mnemoc> .14 will 16:05 < Baldzius> rc1 is out :) 16:05 < mnemoc> .13+devfs will be on T2 2.1.1 16:05 < mnemoc> Baldzius: good for them 16:08 < Baldzius> is there 2.2 packages mirror with rsync service around? 16:08 < Baldzius> i want to rsync all packages locally 16:09 < Baldzius> or i should use rsync ftp:// 16:09 < Baldzius> as i remeber rsync doesn't support http protocol 16:10 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i have an rsync:// server, but you can only use it by night 16:11 < Baldzius> mnemoc: :( 16:11 < rxr> Baldzius: we have http mirrors around - aren't they fast enought? 16:11 < rxr> ./scripts/Download -all 16:12 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ <--- 27 - (8x2) = 11 new failures due to 3.4.4 and/or stage9 16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm building a 2.1 ref locally right now to help you fixing 16:12 < rxr> [5] mail/dcc [5] network/isdn4k-utils 16:12 < rxr> 1626 builds total, 326 completed fine, 2 with errors. 16:13 < rxr> oh - looks like I can start fixing ... ,-) 16:13 < rxr> ok - dcc is Download missing 16:14 < mnemoc> rxr: you have access if you want to fix on that stage-9 ready 2.1:HEAD 16:14 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.218.177.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I hack a USB kernel driver right now - I prefer to fix those locally without the de - cl latency ... ,-) 16:15 < mnemoc> .oO( mach/hurd or l4/hurd that is the question )o 16:15 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.213.32.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 16:15 < mnemoc> rxr: commit fixes on trunk first please, so i can test them 16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: what did I miss with hurd ? 16:16 < mnemoc> nothing, /me just wondering 16:18 < mnemoc> i hate how linux is evolving and an SDE has to support more than one kernel. considering linux24 shall die on future t2 branches, hurd is the 'simpler' alternative 16:18 < rxr> hurd is far from beeing simple - that is why they still have no 1.0 release ... 16:19 < mnemoc> simpler != simple :) 16:19 < mnemoc> freebsd or darwin or freedos or reactos are lot more intrusive on our toolchain 16:20 < mnemoc> and supporting hurd is more PR than others ;) 16:21 < mnemoc> /. would be very interested on a framework to build hurd distributions 16:21 < mnemoc> rxr: OT: please don't forget conditional wrappers... i need to do pie asap 16:24 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - I try to do the cond. wrapper stuff this evening 16:25 < mnemoc> thanks ;) 16:26 < rxr> right now I hack up the in-kernel firmware loader for adaptect USBXchange and USB2Xchange ... ,-) 16:26 < rxr> USB to SCSI adapters ... ,-) 16:26 < mnemoc> :D 16:27 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/adaptec-usbxchange/ 16:27 < rxr> ^- dumped firmware ,-) 16:27 < mnemoc> bad boy 16:28 * rxr ? 16:28 < mnemoc> OT: i assume you don't have time to go to tfh, but noone there can help you? 16:28 < rxr> I will be there tomorrow 16:28 < rxr> is that early enough ? 16:29 < mnemoc> yes... we are just delaying rc3 annoucement 16:29 < mnemoc> i thought you have de-compiled the firmwares 16:30 < rxr> well - I could - it is a 8051 working in those ... 16:30 < rxr> but don't tell anyone - oops 16:30 < rxr> the .fw format is intel hex format 16:31 < rxr> but I don't care about the content - I only want to throw those bits into device and live happily 16:31 < rxr> but it is good to know if the device might crash or so in the future ... 16:54 -!- rxr [i=rene@e178143163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:54 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 16:54 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Sep 2 18:13:08 2005] 16:54 [Users #t2] 16:54 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ SerWou ] 16:54 [ [Kosh] ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 16:54 [ _Lewellyn] [ bewtain ] [ lewellyn^] [ nzg ] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 16:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 16:54 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:54 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 6 secs 16:55 < Baldzius> gsmp still down? 16:55 < mnemoc> Baldzius: tomorrow 16:56 < Baldzius> ic 17:06 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.245.249] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:15 < CIA-9> pfister * r11835 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/menu: Documentation now also in /home/archivista -> otherwise we can't see it 17:17 < CIA-9> pfister * r11836 /trunk/target/archivista/build_image.sh: Copy the manual also to the home directory (otherwise we can't see it) 17:21 < rxr> .o(people not familiar with SVN ...) - we need t2-forge ... 17:22 < mnemoc> rxr: per sub-project repository is good 17:22 < rxr> ack - that is what I meant 17:22 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm still waiting for your reply on my mail about 17:23 < valentin> hm, i found an error in zlib 17:23 < valentin> i think i found one... 17:24 < mnemoc> http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/announce/2.1.0-rc3 17:28 < mnemoc> rxr,valentin,jsaw: [t2] [RFC] targets as separated products <--- the subject of the mail you ignored 17:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: awake? 17:39 < mnemoc> rxr: to try t2 installations, is xen really better than qemu? do i need to patch host? 17:43 < rxr> you need a xen supervisor running on the host 17:43 < rxr> and you need a prepared (aka patched) guest 17:43 < rxr> so - not really useful for normal T2 CDs ... 17:43 < rxr> the xen supervisor is controlling the whole host and loaded from GRUb using this mutli boot procedure thingi ... 17:44 < mnemoc> uhm 17:48 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:50 < CIA-9> valentin * r11837 /trunk/misc/lua/ (lzlib.c zlibtest.lua): 17:50 < CIA-9> * worked around zlib issue on close 17:50 < CIA-9> * implemented line iterator 17:50 < CIA-9> * implemented eof and status 17:50 < CIA-9> * added test example 17:50 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 17:58 < mnemoc> valentin: does lua support (a,b,c) = foo() assignations instead of 'a,b,c' ? 18:10 < CIA-9> amery * r11838 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.conf: * fixed bglibs to install like on 1.019 18:13 < rxr> valentin: I commit a new xemacs-beta that works (mostly) for me and does anti-aliasing 18:18 < CIA-9> rene * r11839 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (xemacs-beta.conf xemacs-beta.desc): * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.21 -> 2005-09-23) 18:18 < mnemoc> rxr: firefox/thunderbird 1.5 on trunk? ;) 18:21 < CIA-9> amery * r11840 /branches/2.1/package/develop/bglibs/ (bglibs.conf bglibs.desc): * merged 9437,9610,10100,10220,11412,11838 from trunk: updated bglibs (1.019 -> 1.027) 18:24 < rxr> mnemoc: if you like to 18:25 < mnemoc> rxr: considering i wont fix it, i guess it's not ok to force you to give that step 18:27 < rxr> hehe 18:33 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.28] has joined #t2 18:34 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.22] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:37 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 18:41 < valentin> mnemoc: what do you mean with (a,b,c) ? 18:42 < valentin> rxr: fine 18:45 < mnemoc> valentin: syntax 18:45 < mnemoc> valentin: _,normal_eof,error = zf:eof (); <--- this 18:45 < mnemoc> valentin: vs. (_,normal_eof,error) = zf:eof (); which at least to me is easier to read 18:47 < valentin> i do not know... i'll try it 18:48 < mnemoc> (python support both :p) 18:48 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:49 < valentin> mnemoc: seems like lua does not like that brackets 18:51 < mnemoc> :( 18:52 < mnemoc> _,normal_eof,error is confusing because looks like a single value 18:58 < valentin> mnemoc: then write _, normal_eof, error = 18:59 < mnemoc> :) 19:06 < valentin> have to buy some food, bbl 19:06 < rxr> cu valentin 19:06 < valentin> btw: my example nees 6 seconds on packages.db :( 19:07 < valentin> that is because my line iterator is implemented using gzgetch() which is a bit slow indeed 19:07 < valentin> bbl 19:18 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 19:21 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:22 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_ 19:23 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:23 < minto_> hi folks 19:23 < mnemoc> hi minto_ 19:41 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.245.249] has joined #t2 19:42 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.245.249] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:43 < mnemoc> what is needed to run 2.1 on SATA? 19:50 < rxr> re 19:50 < rxr> mnemoc: most SATA chip support is compiled in in 2.1 19:50 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.245.249] has joined #t2 19:50 < rxr> hey minto_ ! 19:50 [Users #t2] 19:50 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ lewellyn^] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] 19:50 [ [Kosh] ] [ bewtain ] [ minto_ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] 19:50 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 19:50 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] 19:50 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 19:51 < mnemoc> rxr: $ grep SATA /boot/kconfig_2.6.11.12-dist 19:51 < mnemoc> # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set 19:51 < mnemoc> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y 19:51 < mnemoc> do i need that block device? 19:52 < rxr> oehm 19:52 < rxr> yep 19:52 < rxr> this is what trunk produces: 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SVW=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_NV=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_PROMISE=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_QSTOR=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SX4=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIL=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIS=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_ULI=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VIA=m 19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VITESSE=m 19:53 < rxr> I grepped my ref build. there most are built-in 19:53 < rxr> only: 19:53 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_QSTOR=m 19:53 < rxr> is built as module 19:53 < mnemoc> should i enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA by default on 2.1? 19:54 < rxr> nope 19:54 < rxr> I do not know what it is - bu tthe SCSI_SATA stuff is standard, know to work 19:54 < rxr> better google for it 19:54 < mnemoc> ok 19:54 < rxr> maybe that was some first test code or so ... 19:57 < mnemoc> "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA ( Kernel - 'Device Drivers'/'ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support'/'Support for SATA'). This parameter appeared in kernel2.6.10. There is no such a param in kernel2.6.7. I think that in kernel2.6.7 this option turned on by default (I'm sure that kernel2.4.xx and kernel2.6.7 supports SATA using this IDE driver for SATA controllers. Starting from kernel2.6.10 they added this param with disabled by default value, because kernel-authors wanted force us u 19:57 < _Ragnar_> why would anyone want to use IDE drivers for sata? 19:58 < mnemoc> so, i'll trust on SCSI emulation :D 19:58 < rxr> mnemoc: there is no emulation 19:58 < mnemoc> no? 19:58 < rxr> that is scsi does not mean emulation 19:58 < mnemoc> oh 19:59 < _Ragnar_> the sata cmd format is more similar to scsi anyway then to ide 19:59 < mnemoc> what about 2.1 bootdisk? 20:00 < mnemoc> i don't want to take a 3h bus to fail on install the machine :( 20:00 < rxr> mnemoc: the devices will appear as SCSI 20:00 < rxr> I have not tested - but it should work 20:00 < rxr> 3h to the machine ? 20:01 < mnemoc> 3h to the city, and then about 30m to the machine 20:01 < _Ragnar_> ;p 20:01 < rxr> which city ? 20:01 < mnemoc> i don't want to come back to rebuild the city 20:01 < rxr> better grab a laptop for additional binary builds with you 20:01 < mnemoc> chillán 20:01 < mnemoc> the iso 20:01 < _Ragnar_> :D 20:02 < mnemoc> .oO( rebuilding a city? )o 20:02 * mnemoc has serius comunication problems with his interfaces 20:03 < mnemoc> http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ <--- may i need this? 20:03 < mnemoc> 1. I have an Intel ICH5/ICH5-R/ICH6/ICH6-R SATA RAID. Why doesn't Linux support my hardware RAID? 20:03 < mnemoc> A. It's not hardware RAID. It is software RAID, provided by the BIOS on the card. 20:04 < mnemoc> uhm, no ... i don't have that 20:07 < mnemoc> uhm, yes i do 20:07 < mnemoc> ICH6 20:08 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 20:09 < mnemoc> i'm just reading the sata faq while looking at the specs of the board 20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I never used such a thing - this is only when you wanna use software RAID that those companies sell as full blown RAID to the people ... 20:10 < mnemoc> :) 20:14 < rxr> yay 20:14 < rxr> ! 20:14 < rxr> my driver starts to work 20:14 * mnemoc rises rxr 20:14 < _Ragnar_> ;D 20:14 < rxr> just mounted a 100 and 250 medium in my SCSI Zip using the Adaptec USBXchange ... 20:15 < rxr> yeah - cool 20:15 < rxr> now I only have to wait for the version 2 of the cable to arive 20:15 < rxr> the current one only has USB 1.x - the USB2Xchange is USB 2.0 20:25 < valentin> re 20:37 < CIA-9> amery * r11841 /branches/2.1/package/zope/linguaplone/linguaplone.conf: * changed linguaplone to not double source (and even with a typo) zope-conf.in 20:41 < valentin> char line[1024], *t; 20:41 < valentin> gasgui package parser 20:42 < mnemoc> will you also use a 1k-1 buffer? 20:42 < valentin> it is a 1k buffer ... ? 20:43 < valentin> ok, with terminating '\0' it allows for 1023 character strings 20:44 < mnemoc> reading one by one is slow 20:44 < valentin> let's write a gasgui exploit 20:44 < mnemoc> :D 20:44 < valentin> mnemoc: yes, but buffering is complicated 20:44 < mnemoc> lua_streaming? :) 20:44 < valentin> for the first prototype this is fast enough 20:45 < valentin> mnemoc: io with lua sucks a bit because you have to reimplement liolib for each data source 20:45 < valentin> because it is completely implemented in C 20:45 < valentin> in C++ you just would have to implement a data source 20:46 < mnemoc> what about takings parts of your embedable STL to add the missing layer on lua? 20:48 < valentin> could be a plan, but i would prefer lua folks would create an abstract interface for io sources 20:51 < valentin> i don't know how to do so in lua 20:51 < mnemoc> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpplua 20:52 < rxr> I think util 21:30 a patch goes out to linux-kernel ... 20:52 < mnemoc> rxr: :) 20:53 < mnemoc> valentin: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/cpplua 20:54 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEEF45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:54 < morfoh> re "MOIN" :) 20:54 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 20:54 < morfoh> hey companero :) 20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: channel registered ? 20:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: should i? 20:55 < valentin> oh, there is char * gzgets (gzFile file, char *buf, int len); 20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can do it too ,) 20:55 < morfoh> hi valentin 20:56 < mnemoc> valentin: that way buffering is not hard :D 20:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: done 20:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep 20:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess I just have to join a non-existing channel 20:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: ? 20:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: or how do I "register" a channel ? 21:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: morfoh: done <--- it is registered 21:00 < morfoh> mnemoc:where can I register one permanently ? 21:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: it _is_ registered 21:01 < morfoh> oops 21:01 < morfoh> :p 21:12 -!- bewtain [i=OKZiDE@S010600d05954ba2f.lb.shawcable.net] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 21:22 < valentin> mnemoc: equaly slow :( 21:22 < mnemoc> :'( 21:22 < valentin> maybe they implemented this function the same way 21:24 < CIA-9> valentin * r11842 /trunk/misc/lua/lzlib.c: * use gzgets instead of gzgetc loop for readline 21:25 < valentin> maybe it is just the lua loop 21:25 < valentin> still 100 lines in 3ms, that is not too bad 21:25 < rxr> ok - after cleanup the (firmware loading) driver does still work ... 21:25 < mnemoc> zcat ? 21:26 < valentin> zcat is a hundred times faster 21:26 < valentin> i compare to the speed of io:lines 21:27 < valentin> hm 21:27 < valentin> $ cat weg.lua 21:27 < valentin> f=io.open("test.txt"):lines() 21:27 < valentin> for l in f do 21:27 < valentin> print(l) 21:27 < valentin> end 21:28 < valentin> $ time lua weg.lua > /dev/null 21:28 < valentin> real 0m1.258s 21:28 < valentin> user 0m1.128s 21:28 < valentin> sys 0m0.105s 21:28 < valentin> 5 times faster without decompression 21:28 < mnemoc> and a compiled weg.lua? 21:28 < valentin> zcat takes 0.3 s 21:29 < valentin> how do i compile that ? 21:29 < mnemoc> there is a luac iirc 21:29 < valentin> do you think it will make a difference ? 21:29 < mnemoc> compare yours to perl, both interpreted 21:30 < valentin> and how do i start luac.out ? 21:30 < valentin> same time 21:30 < valentin> as i expected 21:30 < valentin> cat takes 0.1s 21:32 < valentin> at least lua is faster than bash: 21:33 < valentin> $ time while read l ; do echo $l ; done < <(cat test.txt) > /dev/null 21:33 < valentin> real 0m51.100s 21:33 < valentin> user 0m14.595s 21:33 < valentin> sys 0m34.161s 21:33 < mnemoc> :D 21:34 < mnemoc> time cat test.txt | while read l; do echo $l; done is identical? 21:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: what important packages we still have to make runit aware ? 21:35 < valentin> you forgot the '> /dev/null' 21:36 < CIA-9> amery * r11843 /trunk/package/base/bcron/ (. bcron.conf bcron.desc): * added bcron (0.09) 21:36 < valentin> $ time cat test.txt | while read l; do echo $l; done > /dev/null 21:36 < valentin> real 0m51.130s 21:36 < valentin> user 0m14.335s 21:36 < valentin> sys 0m35.036s 21:36 < mnemoc> morfoh: there is work to do on misc/tail 21:39 < rxr> omg 21:42 < CIA-9> amery * r11844 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/base/bcron/postsysfiles.in): * registered user 53, cron. and added postsysfiles.in to bcron 21:43 < minto_> hey folks 21:43 < morfoh> hey minto_ 21:43 < minto_> hey morfoh 21:43 < minto_> A few more minutes before I switch to hibernate mode. :) 21:44 < minto_> I just posted some thoughts to the ML. Might be usefull. :) 21:44 * mnemoc doesn't support hibernating, i have an sloooooow boot up 21:45 < minto_> mnemoc: be carefull you do not run on T2. Your software might force a reboot on you someday 21:46 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:46 < mnemoc> :) 21:46 < minto_> :) 21:47 < minto_> Anything exiting happened here lately? 21:47 < mnemoc> nope 21:50 < minto_> :( 21:54 < minto_> That's it for today, see you all soon :) 21:55 < minto_> sleep well all 21:55 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 22:07 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 22:09 < valentin> mnemoc: why the heck does the expression 22:09 < valentin> line=="\027"\ 22:09 < valentin> forget it, that one : 22:09 < valentin> line=="\027" 22:09 < valentin> work, whereas this one does not match : 22:09 < valentin> line=="\004" 22:10 < valentin> other way round *grr** 22:10 < valentin> confused... 22:10 < mnemoc> clifford's delimiter? 22:10 < valentin> yes 22:10 < valentin> ah, maybe hexdump displays octal numbers 22:11 < valentin> yep 22:11 < valentin> it is 27 octal which is 23 decimal 22:11 < valentin> now this works 22:15 < rxr> hehe 22:15 < rxr> cool 22:16 < rxr> after initial testing on the 64bit little endian number cruncher (sub-notebook) I now know that the driver works on 32bit and big-endian as well 22:16 < rxr> Iomega ZIP 250 succesfully running attached to the iBook ... 22:22 < rxr> valentin: could you tell me if the new xemacs-beta (OS) works for you ? 22:36 < CIA-9> rene * r11845 /trunk/package/x86/microcode_ctl/microcode_ctl.desc: * updated microcode_ctl (1.11 -> 1.12) 22:41 < rxr> http://dl.exactcode.de/adaptec-usbxchange/ 22:54 < rxr> Signed-off-by: Ren? Rebe 22:57 < rxr> hm - I think sooner than later we will have more and more firmware packages ... 22:57 < mnemoc> package/firmware/* 22:58 < rxr> mnemoc: good idea 23:06 < rxr> http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0509/office12&a=40417 23:06 < rxr> new look for the next office 23:06 < mnemoc> o.o 23:06 < rxr> how ugly 23:11 < owl> *ggg* you also found it, too ;) 23:15 < CIA-9> gweis * r11846 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/ (etc_syslog-ng.conf syslog-ng.conf): * added a very simple config file for syslog-ng 23:15 < CIA-9> gweis * r11847 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.desc: * updated syslog-ng (1.9.4+20050717 -> 1.9.5+20050913) 23:19 < _Ragnar_> re 23:20 < CIA-9> rene * r11848 /trunk/package/firmware/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * added adaptec-usbxchange (0) 23:20 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_ 23:20 * rxr off into bed 23:20 < rxr> mnemoc: you will get the needed conditional wrapper tomorrow 23:21 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks 23:21 < rxr> mnemoc: it will be the first real thing I do after showing up @uni to write me in - hope they will not do big hick up ... 23:21 < rxr> damn uni crap (only wasting time ...) 23:22 < rxr> Cinelerra 2.0 23:22 < rxr> ^- package anyone ? 23:23 < sepp> hmm you need to rip of a lot from cinelerra :( 23:23 < sepp> they ship every cg multimedia lib inside 23:24 < rxr> http://kerneltrap.org/node/5654 23:24 < rxr> ^- Interview: Hans Reiser 23:24 < rxr> n8 all 23:24 < sepp> ffmpeg quicktime ogg etc 23:24 < mnemoc> sepp sent cinelerra patch on february 23:24 < sepp> night rxr :) 23:25 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 23:25 < sepp> cinelerra is really really unstable 23:25 < sepp> i tested 2.0 23:26 < _Ragnar_> any one know a stable, working shoutcase equivalent for *nix? 23:27 < _Ragnar_> cast* not case 23:31 < sepp> is shoutcast the server? 23:33 < _Ragnar_> yes 23:33 < _Ragnar_> well no sorry 23:33 < _Ragnar_> I need a replacement for both the server and the streaming source client 23:34 < sepp> hmm icecast maybe? 23:35 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has joined #t2 23:36 < _Ragnar_> I tried icecast but it was less then stable and working ;p 23:36 < _Ragnar_> much less in fact ;p 23:36 < sepp> :( 23:38 < _Ragnar_> but maybe I set it up wrong, I dunno ... the main problem seemed to be to find a stable working source client on linux 23:39 < sepp> maybe as stable as cinelerra 2 *eg* 23:39 < _Ragnar_> ;D 23:46 < valentin> re 23:47 < sepp> hi valentin 23:49 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:50 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has joined #t2 23:52 < valentin> mnemoc: how would you sort packages inside the package manager ? after [C] */ ? 23:52 < Baldzius> good night guys :) 23:52 < _Ragnar_> nini 23:54 < valentin> gn8 Baldzius 23:54 < valentin> hi sepp 23:57 < mnemoc> valentin: for a given category, alphabetical --- Log closed Wed Sep 14 00:00:31 2005