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00:23 < CIA-9> amery * r11289 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * updated openvpn (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
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00:57 < _Ragnar_> who updated knetconf ?
01:00  * _Ragnar_ pokes rxr 
01:02 < _Ragnar_> oh nevermind O_O but it seems the most recent version didn't make it to at least one mirror intact
01:06 < _Ragnar_> actually ... still the same problem: main_window.cc:22:30: iptables_dialog.hh: No such file or directory
01:07 < _Ragnar_> why commit a package that has no chance to build?
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01:49 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: libgda update seem to break gnumeric
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02:44 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11290 /trunk/package/x11/libgli/libgli.desc: * libgli needs -fPIC for x86_64
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02:49 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11291 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/vdr.desc: * vdr: update vdr-xine to get it to compile with newer xine-lib
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03:27 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: gnumeric built here....
03:28 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i'll check again
03:35 < _Ragnar_> did you rebuild after libgda update?
03:36 < mnemoc> yes
03:36 < mnemoc> i have an script to rebuild all changed and all their dependees
03:36 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
03:38 < mnemoc> now i'm waiting 88 more packages to finish testing gconf update :(
03:38 < _Ragnar_> :)
03:38 < mnemoc> did you update libgda _and_ libgnomedb?
03:39 < _Ragnar_> I did svn up
03:39 < mnemoc> -newdelete?
03:39 < _Ragnar_> yes
03:40 < _Ragnar_> CREATED plugin.xml
03:40 < _Ragnar_> In file included from /opt/gnome2/include/libgda-1.3/libgda/libgda.h:31, from plugin-gda.c:22:
03:40 < _Ragnar_> /opt/gnome2/include/libgda-1.3/libgda/gda-config.h:144: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype
03:40 < _Ragnar_> plugin-gda.c: In function `open_connection':
03:40 < _Ragnar_> plugin-gda.c:123: error: too many arguments to function `gda_client_open_connection'
03:40 < mnemoc> uhm
03:40 < _Ragnar_> and so on...
03:41 < mnemoc> i tried gnumeric 1.5.0
03:47 < _Ragnar_> I have 1.5.3 here
03:53 < mnemoc> can you see if downdating it solves the problem?
03:53 < _Ragnar_> I guess
03:54 < mnemoc> or... newer version of gnumeric?
03:54 < _Ragnar_> this is a mess ... update one lib, need to downgrade other package ...
03:54 < _Ragnar_> 1.5.3 is the most recent i think
03:55 < mnemoc> i'll not try to update gnumeric here util 1.5.4 :)
03:56 < _Ragnar_> :D
04:03 < mnemoc> 2002-12-23  Jon K Hellan  <hellan@acm.org>
04:03 < mnemoc> * plugin-gda.c (gnumeric_execSQL):  Adapted to changes in gda_client_open_connection. Open connection read only.
04:03 < mnemoc> the only match f* google found! :)
04:06 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: it's fixed on cvs
04:06 < _Ragnar_> oh O_O
04:08 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: try http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnumeric/plugins/gda/plugin-gda.c?r1=1.44&r2=1.45&makepatch=1&diff_format=h
04:09 < mnemoc> but:
04:09 < mnemoc> 2005-08-09  Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@gnome-db.org>
04:09 < mnemoc> * plugin-gda.c: adapted to new libgda API.
04:09 < mnemoc> is earlier than release
04:10 < _Ragnar_> O_O
04:12  * mnemoc needs real bandwidth
04:14 < _Ragnar_> who doesn't :)
04:14 < mnemoc> i share a 64kbps link via wiki :p
04:14 < _Ragnar_> O_O
04:14 < mnemoc> wifi*
04:15 < mnemoc> does the patch solves the problem?
04:16 < _Ragnar_> will take a bit to get there
04:16 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ <--- 73 pending to finish testing gconf update :(
04:17 < _Ragnar_> btw there's a conflicting files error between input-utils and joystick
04:17 < mnemoc> again??
04:18 < mnemoc> was input-utils updated?
04:18 < _Ragnar_> dunno
04:18 < mnemoc> not according to svn-ML
04:18 < mnemoc> is joystick still needed?
04:23 < mnemoc> [   ] joystick-1.2.14.tar.gz  08-Mar-1999 16:15   178k  GZIP compressed docume>
04:28 < CIA-9> amery * r11292 /trunk/package/develop/libowfat/libowfat.desc: * updated libowfat (0.23 -> 0.24)
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05:26 < CIA-9> amery * r11293 /trunk/target/router/config.in: * changed router target because pkgsel.sed are automagicly applied now
06:26 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: no didn't work, the patch doesn't even apply
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08:01 [Users #t2]
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08:56 < rxr> re
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09:22 < valentin> mmoin
09:24 < rxr> moin
09:25 < _Ragnar_> moin
09:25 < _Ragnar_> rxr: in knetconf ... 160652 < _Ragnar_> actually ... still the same problem: main_window.cc:22:30: iptables_dialog.hh: No such file or directory
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09:26 < rxr> valentin is primary knetconf hacker
09:26 < _Ragnar_> kay
09:26 < _Ragnar_> can you poke him? I need to get to bed
09:26 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ok
09:27 < rxr> _Ragnar_: how to reproduce ?
09:27 < CIA-9> rene * r11294 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/menu db-slave.sh): * a modern font for archivista/xterm (so umlauts are displayed)
09:28 < _Ragnar_> just try to build it
09:28 < _Ragnar_> unless you got more files in the package then me
09:29 < rxr> ok
09:30 < rxr> valentin: you forgot to checkiin a netconf file ... ,-)!
09:33 < valentin> ?
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09:35 < morfoh> moin
09:37 < valentin> rxr: ?
09:38 < Baldzius> good morning
09:39 < valentin> moin rxr, morfoh Baldzius 
09:39 < Baldzius> moin :)
09:39 < valentin> rxr: sh... i commited some stuff that is not about to be commited yet
09:41 < valentin> rxr: svn up
09:41 < morfoh> moin valentin, Baldzius, rxr, *
09:42 < valentin> shall i update the netconf version in t2 ?
09:43 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)
09:45 < Baldzius> why desktop target needs 2 xemacs?: xemacs-21.4.17 & xemacs-beta-21.5.21
09:45 < Baldzius> especially when build fails on xemacs-beta
09:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: I think not
09:47 < valentin> rxr: i'll update as soon as my svn up finished !
09:51 < CIA-9> rene * r11295 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh: * archivista installer improvements and sanity checks
09:52 < rxr> valentin: yep - update ,-)
09:52 < rxr> valentin: because the old xemacs lacks proper utf8 support among other things
09:52 < rxr> most people ust the xemacs-beta that always built for me
09:52 < CIA-9> valentin * r11296 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r280 -> r281)
09:53 < valentin> _Ragnar_: knetconf fixed in t2 trunk
09:54 < Baldzius> rxr: i've removed erorr as i remember there was error in the ending complaining smtg about 'shared'
09:54 < rxr> valentin: how is your life - your girls and physics learning and such?
09:57 < Baldzius> rxr: yesterday i sent to t2-update ML patch to fix bluez-hciemu compile fail, is my email there?
10:00 < valentin> rxr: sometimes exhausting but still good
10:02 < valentin> rxr: i'll meet with falk in schoenebeck this evening
10:02 < valentin> and then we will travel back to berlin
10:06 < rxr> Baldzius: yes - but you should not post to that list - but to t2@ all the itme
10:06 < rxr> the t2-updates is mostly meant for automated update mails - especially not for patches that fix things ...
10:07 < rxr> but I'll apply your patch later on, of course
10:07 < rxr> how long will he be in berlin ?
10:07 < rxr> ^- valentin ?
10:08 < morfoh> valentin: .oO( oh ... schoenebeck ... what a nice tow :p )
10:08 < morfoh> town
10:08 < Baldzius> rxr: soooorry :)
10:08 < rxr> Asymptote 0.86 
10:08 < rxr> Subversion 1.2.3 
10:10 < rxr> Microsoft Infected by Virus
10:10 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/articles/05/08/26/0358233.shtml
10:11 < morfoh> rxr: I thought M$ is a virus itself :)
10:12 < Baldzius> :)))
10:14 < rxr> morfoh: how much is your big build box kernel modified?
10:15 < rxr> Baldzius: was it you who told me yesterday during the "my system hangs" discussion that the system is not affected?
10:15 < rxr> if so - what system is currently running on the box you tested this chrot ; proc thing ?
10:15 < rxr> a t2 or s.th. else ?
10:16 < Baldzius> rxr: no not me :)
10:16 < Baldzius> i guess it was bfg
10:16 < Baldzius> he was talkig about hwscan and kernel modules
10:16 < rxr> ah - Shingo-- it was
10:16 < Baldzius> maybe shingo :)
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10:17 < Baldzius> i just can't get my system built
10:17 < Baldzius> i've already had 5 problems
10:17 < morfoh> rxr: my box at work has just a static kernel, no modules
10:17 < Baldzius> latest with openh323
10:18 < rxr> morfoh: ok - so config will differ 98% or so ...
10:18 < rxr> Baldzius: what problem has it ?
10:18 < morfoh> rxr: I think so
10:18 < Baldzius> rxr: it can't find src dir
10:18 < Baldzius> but i've also removed error log :)
10:19 < Baldzius> i am just unselecting those packages
10:19 < Baldzius> if you want i can recompile
10:19 < Baldzius> and fill trac
10:19 < rxr> ok - well - I'll see the next time I'll build desktop
10:19 < Baldzius> also with xemacs-beta
10:22 < morfoh> damn ... my laptop's HDD is full of crap 
10:23 < CIA-9> rene * r11297 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.desc: * updated subversion (1.2.1 -> 1.2.3)
10:23 < morfoh> I guess I'll remove the WinXP partition, to get more space ... *evil* :)
10:24 < rxr> hm - we missed a subversion release ... :-(
10:34 < valentin> rxr: he will stay there till tomorow afternoon
10:34 < Shingo--> What was me?
10:34 < morfoh> Shingo--: you screwed up everything :p
10:35 < morfoh> Shingo--: moin moin btw :)
10:35 < Shingo--> hehe, sorry. moin, moin... :)
10:36 < morfoh> Shingo--: just a simple "sorry" ? :)
10:36 < Shingo--> morfoh: :(
10:36 < Shingo--> :~(
10:36 < morfoh> don't cry little Shingo-- 
10:38 < Shingo--> morfoh: rxr was talk about the system hangs up?
10:38 < morfoh> Shingo--: I know ... I was just playing a fool with you :p
10:40 < Shingo--> ok, there's another information my system don't hangs up, but don't known if I reproduce the all steps to bug and my kernel are 2.6.11
10:41 < Shingo--> I can't upgrade to to 2.6.12 yet...
10:44 < rxr> Shingo--: what is you system you tested that on? T2, Gentoo, ... ?
10:44 < rxr> Shingo--: was the kernel self-build or some shipped kernel
10:44 < rxr> Shingo--: if shipped what location?
10:49 < Shingo--> Tested in T2, Of course, I don't understand why you ask me this.
10:49 < Shingo--> My base/start system was T2-2.1-rc2, after online, I was making new packages against t2-trunk.
10:49 < Shingo--> do I answer that question?
10:50 < rxr> which t2-2.1-rc2 ISO did you download ?
10:51 < rxr> Shingo--: sorry to bother you so much - but I want to find what variable in the various combinations cause this problem
10:52 < Shingo--> t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc2-athlon-xp_cd1
10:52 < CIA-9> rene * r11298 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/avocr.sh: * added a info box about font parsing to the archivista ocr start script
10:53 < Shingo--> no problem, sorry if I was arrogant, but I'm not write english well.
10:55 < Shingo--> more one thing, I had see the problems from Baldzius, and i had see it the same problems then I have.
10:55 < rxr> Shingo--: like non-building packages ?
10:56 < rxr> Shingo--: thanks for the infos
10:56 < Shingo--> maybe can we make a trace... 
10:56 < Shingo--> yeah that it. 
10:57 < rxr> well - the trunk/ is for development - we will fix the build problems or missing packages in the target selections as soon as possible
10:58 < Baldzius> rxr: i got another one :)
10:58 < Baldzius> libmpeg2 is need by transcode :)
10:58 < Shingo--> the emacs things a got too.
10:59 < rxr> Shingo--: do you have the download URL of your t2 minimal atlon ISO handy? I don't see it on our mirrors ...
10:59 < Shingo--> no problem, trunk is for developer I think. and I think stay in right tree. :)
10:59 < Baldzius> Shingo-- me2, trunk is my life :)
10:59 < Shingo--> I don't remember who send me...
11:00 < rxr> Shingo--: ok - I grep the IRC log ...
11:00 < Shingo--> :)
11:05 < morfoh> rxr: I can give you the URL of t2-minimal-athlon-xp
11:05 < rxr> thanks
11:05 < morfoh> rxr: I build the athlon-xp ISO's
11:05 < morfoh> and I'm wondering that they are not on the mirror
11:06 < Baldzius> yeah, my machine is athlon-xp, that would be nice
11:07 < Shingo--> rxr: I get through torrent, make any difference?
11:08 < morfoh> rxr: you can download the athlon-xp stuff from my server and pushing it on gsmp afterwards ;)
11:09 < rxr> yep
11:10 < rxr> morfoh: URL?
11:11 < Shingo--> did anyone see gmane news from site?
11:12 < Shingo--> morfoh: did had used fmnewpackage some days before, isn't?
11:12 < morfoh> Shingo--: yes ... but it wasn't working
11:13 < Shingo--> did you see my patch in ML? but I don't known it was arrived.
11:13 < morfoh> Shingo--: sorry ... no. haven't seen any patch, but perhaps it was due to my bad eyes ;)
11:13 < rxr> Shingo--: wich patch
11:14 < Shingo--> I had made fix to fmnewpackage, It's works great so far...
11:15 < Shingo--> minor changes, but the script now works.
11:16 < Shingo--> I can't see through gmane if was arrived to ML... :(
11:19 < Shingo--> rxr: you told me T2 don't need initrd, but why the kenrnel compiling the system try to create a initrd. 
11:19 < Shingo--> in my system I got an error in process, because i don't have embutils installed and embutils fail to build too. :(
11:22 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen the URL for athlon-xp stuff in my last /query ?
11:23 < morfoh> rxr: it's just a temporary URL ... so perhaps just download it from gsmp directly. my server is connected vai 100M so it should be quite fast to download from gsmp ;)
11:23 < morfoh> rxr: I mean the firewall admins at TFH hopefully allow http ;)
11:35 < rxr> not port 8000
11:35 < rxr> the tfh net and firewall config is a big piece of shit
11:35 < rxr> as are the whole lecture and such contents ...
11:43 < Shingo--> rxr: I was think, about repository... when we have a need to create a new?
11:46 < CIA-9> rene * r11299 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: 
11:46 < CIA-9> * more comments, a range question and tiny cosmetics for the archivista
11:46 < CIA-9>  90-backup.hotplug
11:47 < rxr> Shingo--: repositry in package/* ?
11:47 < Shingo--> sorry, like package/$repository, it's right?
11:47 < Shingo--> when we need to create a new one?
11:48 < Shingo--> yeah.
11:48 < rxr> when we add packages that do not fit into the current scheme 
11:48 < rxr> or when we resort a package because it is badly sorted in the current scheme
11:53 < Shingo--> I was think about xmms, xmms there is lot of plugins, I think to create a xmms repository to just only xmms plugins.
11:53 < Shingo--> and a lot of programs has too, and think packages/plugins for generic/common plugins.
11:53 < rxr> I would not like that very much
11:54 < rxr> we would sooner than later end up with a lot of "package with plugin" repositories ...
11:54 < rxr> but you could of course package more of xmms plugins and we will see
12:00 < Shingo--> well, if I had understood.
12:00 < Shingo--> well, I was think about include a new package lemuria, and I was Doubted are the best repository for this package.
12:00 < Shingo--> Because this plugin are to xmms and gmerlin-visualizer
12:01 < Shingo--> isn't the right insight?
12:03 < rxr> I would place it in audio - there are the other xmms plugins, right ?
12:07 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... I'll disable gatling. If you want you can download t2-desktop athlon-xp build later on to put it on gmsp 
12:09 < Shingo--> rxr: the subversion from server was updated to 1.2.3 too?
12:09 < Shingo--> rxr: it ok, for xmms thing.
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12:10 < Shingo--> but in lemuria case I had used multimedia.
12:11 < rxr> it is a audio player plugin - those are normally intended to be all grouped in audio
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12:18 < Shingo--> rxr: but in category is a good thing, don't you think?
12:19 < Shingo--> rxr: about subversion, I would like to known if the our svn server are already updated to 1.2.3 version too?
12:22 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11300 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.desc: * update cairo (0.6.0 -> 1.0.0) untested
12:30 < CIA-9> rene * r11301 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: * added usb backup restore code to the archivista/90-backup.hotplug
12:30 < rxr> Shingo--: no - server not yet - why do you ask about the server ?
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12:34 < Shingo--> because a think svn server are more faster and my subversion version had updated to 1.2.3, I'll need change my tree to use http until we have a updated server version, I think.
12:36 < CIA-9> rene * r11302 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: 
12:36 < CIA-9> * improved comment and changed restore to require root authentication
12:36 < CIA-9>  in archivista/90-backup.hotplug
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13:20 < sepp> hi
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13:51 < morfoh> rwe hi#+
13:51 < morfoh> opps
13:52 < Baldzius> :)
13:54 < morfoh> :)
14:20 < morfoh> rxr: "monster box" at work hangs while building mono
14:20 < morfoh> rxr: it started the build at 01:01:16
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14:45 < rxr> re
14:47 < morfoh> wb rxr 
14:47 < morfoh> rxr: I checked my 2.1 ref build and mono build is hanging again
14:48 < rxr> hm
14:49 < morfoh> rxr: but as I told you today ... the whole box isn't freezed
14:49 < morfoh> rxr: it's "just" not proceeding the build 
14:55 < morfoh> https://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/85 <-- mono issue with attached log file
15:08 < rxr> # mine -i -f -R . /mnt/misc/2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-xp-generic/pkgs/*
15:08 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
15:08 < morfoh> uhm ?
15:11 < morfoh> mono is also hanging again after rescheduling the build
15:11 < morfoh> I will touch a log to proceed
15:19 < morfoh> Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/m/mozilla-1.7.11-source.tar.bz2.cksum-err (127320188)
15:23 < rxr> mine shit
15:23 < rxr> don't ask me how many segfaults I tracked in that beast
15:23 < rxr> one was 3hour of pointer tracking in the ugly dep pointers or so ..
15:23 < rxr> damn crap
15:23 < rxr> I know why I wanna get rid of this properitary ROCK-crappinismn
15:25 < morfoh> rxr: I ever thought that rock developers are highly skilled hackers 
15:26 < morfoh> rxr: especially "god"
15:27 < morfoh> rxr: did I told you that we recently had a lot of fun while browsing "god's" personal homepage :p
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15:29 < rxr> morfoh: nope - missed that bit
15:29 < morfoh> rxr: I think I haven't shared my impression here on #t2 yet 
15:31 < morfoh> rxr: even if "god" is reading this IRC log I've to say: "Boy ... make up your mind, you're mostly awkward"
15:32  * rxr soon booting into morfoh minimal
15:35 < morfoh> rxr: good men :)
15:36 < morfoh> rxr: hopefully you'll have no hazzles
15:37 < rxr> well - I only want to find out what the hell is causing those annoying system freezes ...
15:38 < rxr> cu
15:38 < morfoh> hmmm ...why the hell is the ckecksum of mozilla wrong ?
15:39 < morfoh> rxr: do we have different versions on the mirrors ?
15:43 < morfoh> ok ... old morfoh has to update the security infrastructure at work ... bbl
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15:44 < rxr> re
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16:10 [Users #t2]
16:10 [ [Kosh]  ] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou   ] [ valentin] 
16:10 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr_] [ Shingo-- ] 
16:10 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ nzg   ] [ sepp] [ sparc-kly] 
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16:37 < morfoh> re hi
16:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: around ?
16:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: ping
16:40 < CIA-9> chris * r11304 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.1.8.2 -> 1.1.8.3)
16:48 < karasz> hi morfoh 
16:49 < morfoh> hi karasz 
16:49 < karasz> how are you?
16:49 < karasz> you wanted to talk to me ?
16:50 < morfoh> karasz: I'm quite fine, but atm I've to update several security components at work.
16:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: pong
16:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack :)
16:57 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what patch?
16:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: https://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/85
16:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: mono build still hangs 
16:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: even after updating it 
17:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, there is a libgdiplus on go-mono.com but we don't have it in our repo
17:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: I don't know if it's mandantory 
17:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's why I'm asking monomonkey :p
17:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: only of window.forms
17:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
17:01 < mnemoc> s/of/for
17:01 < morfoh> cat System.Xml.XPath/Tokenizer.cs >>Mono.Xml.Xsl/PatternTokenizer.cs
17:01 < morfoh> MONO_PATH="../../class/lib/basic:$MONO_PATH" /TOOLCHAIN/src.mono.ref21.20050826.194932.14248.dungeon/mono-1.1.8.3/runtime/mono-wrapper  ../../class/lib/basic/mcs.exe   -d:NET_1_1 -d:ONLY_1_1 -d:BOOTSTRAP_WITH_OLDLIB -debug /noconfig /lib:/opt/mono/lib /noconfig /unsafe /r:mscorlib.dll /r:System.dll /nowarn:0162 /nowarn:0618 /nowarn:0612 /target:library /out:System.Xml.dll System.Xml.XPath/Parser.cs Mono.Xml.Xsl/PatternParser.cs Mono.Xml.Xsl/PatternTokenize
17:02 < morfoh> ^ there it hangs
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17:35 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: the patch you gave me the link to .... but it's okay, I figured it out, gnumeric compiles now
17:36 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: great :D
17:36 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: fixed-patch commited?
17:36 < _Ragnar_> not yet
17:36 < _Ragnar_> gimme time to wake up :P
17:37 < mnemoc> a:)
17:37 < mnemoc> s/^a//
17:41 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11305 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnumeric/gnumeric-newlibgda.patch: * adjusted gnumeric to changed interface of libgda
17:41 < mnemoc> rxr_: can i rename scripts/functions and config.func to functions.in and config-functions.in ?
17:49 < rxr_> re
17:49 < rxr_> .oO
17:49 < mnemoc> re rxr_ 
17:49 < rxr_> in trunk or also in 2.1
17:49 < mnemoc> trunk
17:49 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:49 < rxr> sory for the absense - /me in kernel debugging mode
17:49 < mnemoc> maybe also on 2.1 because no user will be affected
17:50 < rxr> mnemoc: well - I have no direct objection at hand
17:50 < rxr> if you rename wait some days to merge that down ...
17:50  * rxr back to kernel tracking ...
17:51 < mnemoc> rxr: i always wait for merges ;)
17:52 < rxr> hehe
17:53 < rxr> I foudn an inf loop in the kernel
17:53 < mnemoc> usb?
17:53 < rxr> that is causing my chroot hang
17:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: have you finished your big merge list ?
17:53 < mnemoc> oh
17:53 < rxr> no - my chrot ps or ls /proc/*fs
17:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: I cannot believe it :p
17:53 < rxr> proc/*/fd even
17:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: uhm?
17:54 < morfoh> 17:48 < mnemoc:#t2> rxr: i always wait for merges ;)
17:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have 700+ unread commit messages
17:54 < mnemoc> now i'm trying to finish updating gnome
17:55 < mnemoc> gconf test-update hurt
17:55 < morfoh> brb
17:55 < mnemoc> rxr: new on 2.6.12?
17:55 < rxr> hm - maybe it is caused by my creative use of rootfs and pivot_root in our T2 early userspace
17:56 < mnemoc> creative usages always find weird bugs :)
17:56 < mnemoc> btw, do you have any idea why we flood /etc/mtab with proc entries?
17:57 < rxr> mnemoc: sbin/mkinitrdinit line 56
17:57 < rxr> should I implement this non-POSIX TODO comment in minised or remove the TODO comment ?
17:57 < rxr> if you have no 2.2. running the file is base/sysfiles/mkinitrd
17:57 < rxr> er
17:57 < rxr> initrdinit ...
17:58 < rxr> sorry
17:58 < rxr> initrdinit ...
17:58 < mnemoc> :)
17:59 < mnemoc> what is \L?
17:59 < rxr> lowercase
18:00 < rxr> so I leave the long line as it is and not implement a GNU extension few people know about ?
18:00 < mnemoc> isn't that bloat for a _mini_ sed?
18:00 < rxr> mnemoc: well - yeah ..
18:00 < rxr> it would decrease he initrdinit size ... ,-)
18:00 < rxr> (by a few bits ...)
18:00 < mnemoc> y/[A-Z]/[a-z]/ ?
18:00 < rxr> I wipe the comment ..
18:01 < rxr> I think this does not work
18:01 < rxr> oh - it does
18:01 < mnemoc> :)
18:02 < rxr> hm - not really
18:03 < rxr> mnemoc: it does not work
18:03 < rxr> because y does not operate on ranges ...
18:03 < rxr> it is a 1:1 translation
18:03 < rxr> A-Z will only translate A and Z into a and z
18:03 < rxr> as well as - to - ...
18:03 < rxr> nothing else ...
18:03 < rxr> even using GNU sed....
18:04 < rxr> maybe there is a special char to be appended as GNU extension to make that work - but ...
18:09 < mnemoc> tr? :(
18:09 < rxr> I need sed on the initrd anyway - tr would add extra cruft
18:09 < rxr> I leave it this way
18:10 < mnemoc> large line
18:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ <--- may this be my routing problem?
18:11 < morfoh> *click*
18:13 < karasz> re hi morfoh
18:13 < karasz> job done?
18:13 < morfoh> karasz: yep :)
18:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... sounds reasonable
18:13 < karasz> ok, what do you wanted to talk to me about?
18:13  * morfoh moving home now 
18:14 < mnemoc> but i don't have a /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_default_win_scale
18:14 < morfoh> karasz: I had no special things to talk
18:14 < karasz> ok
18:14 < karasz> i understand
18:14 < mnemoc> can i just create a proc entry?
18:14 < morfoh> karasz: I was just happy to see you again yesterday :)
18:14 < rxr> oeh
18:14 < mnemoc> rxr: ?
18:14 < karasz> ;)
18:14 < rxr> this problem really _IS_ rootfs related
18:14 < rxr> and even umount /tmp hangs the system
18:14 < karasz> happy to be back again
18:14 < mnemoc> rxr: oh
18:14 < rxr> I leave the rootfs as /tmp - for tmpfs ...
18:14 < rxr> since rootfs is a tmpfs
18:15 < morfoh> ok guys ... cu later. I'll leave you alone with that pain :p
18:15 < rxr> I wanted to test how the chrto ; ps thing reacts
18:15 < rxr> but umount /tmp already hangs the system
18:15 < karasz> cu morfoh
18:15 < morfoh> cu
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18:15  * rxr wants the drugs of kernel coders ...
18:15 < rxr> what comes after t2? ExactImage, ExactEdit and ExactOS ...
18:16 < rxr> well - somewhere in between I need to code ExactC ..
18:16 < rxr> to write the remaining stuff in it ..
18:17 < rxr> oh - and there is GSMP to be refactored as ExactSound ...
18:17 < sepp> and ExactDebugger :)
18:17 < mnemoc> :)
18:18 < rxr> ah - yes gdb really sucks (especially on C++ code)
18:18 < rxr> what puzzles me is, that my x86-64 box is nto affected ...
18:18 < rxr> though it runs the same fs layout combination
18:19 < rxr> s.th. corrupts the mount_tree on some boxes ...
18:19 < mnemoc> gdb++
18:22 < rxr> and the associated ExactHardware ...
18:27 < rxr> has anyone here experience with x86 suspend to RAM / disk?
18:27 < sepp> i have :)
18:28 < sepp> suspend to disk works but i have to remove some modules 
18:29 < rxr> ACPI suspend to disk - or some software suspend ?
18:29 < sepp> software suspend, i managed to acpi suspend my notebook but i have no idea how to resume
18:30 < sepp> power button does a hard reset 
18:30 < rxr> hm - that was why I had an Apple iBook - suspend to RAM just works ...
18:31 < rxr> though I have this AMD Turion number cruncher sub-notebook ...
18:31 < rxr> thus I have to go thru this hell again as well ...
18:31 < rxr> looks to become a big fun to setup ...
18:32 < sepp> :)
18:40 < sepp> in my toshiba laptop it worked without any prolem
18:40 < sepp> even the resume part :P
18:43 < rxr> msi megabook s270 here ..
18:44 < rxr> with AMD Turion ..
18:44 < rxr> guess the 64bit mode gives me extra fun ...
18:45 < sepp> i got the cheap averatec, i can s3 suspend it but hmm not clue how to resume
18:46 < rxr> well - I find mine quite "cheap" as well
18:52 < rxr> let's see if my hacked up initrd comes up ...
18:52  * rxr bibber
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18:59 < rxr> oh - I have a cool update pending ...
19:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11306 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/ (6 files): * updated xorg (6.8.2 -> 6.8.99.900)
19:04 < rxr> I hope noone scream
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19:04 < rxr> except update the other xorg-
19:04 < rxr>  packages ...
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19:50 < CIA-9> rene * r11307 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh: 
19:50 < CIA-9> * fixed archivista/install.sh to give u/dev some seconds to recreate
19:50 < CIA-9>  the device-nodes after repartitioning, format the right partition and
19:50 < CIA-9>  display a info-box to the user while doing so
19:53 < CIA-9> rene * r11308 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh: 
19:53 < CIA-9> * ouhm, fixed archivista/install.sh to put the "formatin" dialog into
19:53 < CIA-9>  background, as intended
19:55 < menomc> rxr: updated xorg (6.8.2 -> 6.8.99.900)  <--- is 6.8 a development version?
19:55 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11309 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnomemeeting/ (gnomemeeting-fixconfigure.patch old_h323.patch): * force gnomemeeting to use the installed versions of pwlib and openh323 and fix broken configure
19:56 < menomc> i like those fixes :)
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19:59 < morfoh> re hi
20:01 < CIA-9> amery * r11310 /trunk/package/gnome2/drwright/ (dbus_api.patch drwright.desc): * repriorized drwright after dbus, and fixed to use current API - it had troubles on stage-9 when it found dbus :)
20:01 < menomc> rxr: your improved Commit.sh is great :)
20:01 < menomc> hi morfoh 
20:01 < morfoh> hi menomonkey :)
20:01 < morfoh> menomc: pls change your nick :p
20:02 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
20:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: why do you have that crappy menomonkey name as default ?
20:02 < mnemoc> $alternate_nick
20:02 < morfoh> why not mnemoc_ ?
20:02 < mnemoc> i don't like underscores
20:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it's ok at the end 
20:03 < mnemoc> when i use them, i use __mnemoc   as a protected variable
20:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: you know ... tab is you friend :p
20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:04 < morfoh> :)
20:10 < karasz> morfoh: how were your past weeks?
20:10 < karasz> i heard that there were inundations in Germany :(
20:11 < mnemoc> not just germany
20:11 < karasz> that is true
20:11 < karasz> a lot of countries from Europe were affected
20:12 < karasz> by the way hi mnemoc nice to see you again
20:12 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... but I think germany has bigger problems than that 
20:13 < morfoh> karasz: and it even affects most of europe
20:13 < karasz> how comes?
20:14 < morfoh> karasz: capitalists politics ?
20:14 < karasz> capitalists?
20:15 < morfoh> karasz: didn't you knew that we're ruled by capitalists ?
20:15 < karasz> politics i understood, capitalists also but i do not see the connection between
20:15 < karasz> :)
20:15 < morfoh> between what ?
20:15 < karasz> not by capitalists but by money
20:16 < karasz> it happens that capitalists have the money
20:16 < morfoh> karasz: you don't want to tell me that there is no connection between capitalist and money 
20:16 < karasz> and that is true not only for Germany
20:16 < karasz> no
20:16 < karasz> i didn't understand at first, and i caught up later :)
20:17 < karasz> holiday sindrome...:))
20:17 < morfoh> karasz: capitalism doesn't work for a broader base of people
20:17 < morfoh> karasz: there will allways be a minority accumulating the most money
20:17 < karasz> socialism or comunism doesn't work for them either
20:17 < mnemoc> karasz: ack
20:18 < karasz> you see there is no difference between them
20:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: our old discussion 
20:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
20:18 < karasz> capitalism socialism or comunism is all the same
20:18 < mnemoc> politics stinks! engineers to the power
20:18 < karasz> very few people have the money and the power
20:19 < morfoh> karasz: 2 questions: ... how long do we've capitalism in most parts of the world ? And how long did we had socalism/communism somewhere ?
20:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
20:20 < mnemoc> lawyers=politics --><-- engineers
20:20 < morfoh> current political systems will not change anything
20:20 < karasz> morfoh: i do not think that is a matter of time
20:21 < _Ragnar_> the problem with capitalism is that it places the best earnings on the most ruthless people
20:21 < morfoh> karasz: not ? do you think the time has not "established" a way of thinking in our brains ?
20:21 < karasz> and capitalism is not a static thing, i guess that you can't even talk abt capitalism because it does not exist as such
20:22 < karasz> thare are many different forms of capitalism
20:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ruthless people gets the power on all systems
20:23 < _Ragnar_> yea but there's only a small group of ppl who can be in power at the same time
20:23 < karasz> morfoh: if you get my point, i mean that you can not compare 1700 England with 2000 Germany
20:23 < karasz> am i right?
20:23 < _Ragnar_> while with capitalism, this also spreads downward through the whole system down to the shift leader in McD
20:23 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: ack ... and that's one reason why all the current systems will not work
20:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: neither socialism
20:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: is that a question ?
20:24 < mnemoc> no
20:24 < karasz> the problem i gues is not with the systems, either capitalism or socialism
20:24 < karasz> the problem is people
20:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm considering socialism as the best starting point for the most people
20:25 < karasz> the human race is built that way
20:25 < sepp> if mankind is the problem - that wont last very long 
20:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: but ... people are responsable to fight 
20:25 < morfoh> for themselves
20:25 < mnemoc> morfoh: normalizing at the bottom froze any growing
20:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! you're "old" theory
20:25 < morfoh> your
20:27  * karasz started another off-topic discussion
20:27 < morfoh> I think there is enough for everyone on this planet to live in a good way
20:27 < karasz> wb karasz
20:27 < _Ragnar_> probably
20:27 < _Ragnar_> but then a lot of ppl would have less then they have now
20:28 < _Ragnar_> almost everyone in the US for example;p
20:28 < mnemoc> the huge base people is too huge to put the all on a decent level, even with all the resources of the world... and you will sacrifice all investigation and culture
20:28 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: and this kind of think shows the long time and how it changed the brains
20:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: the problem is that in early phases the capitalists consumed a lot of resources
20:29 < karasz> my opinion is that it all gets down to two items
20:30 < karasz> 1. people's desires, 2. the means to achive them
20:30 < mnemoc> karasz: ack
20:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: english capitalists "consumed" the half of worlds resources to become that rich
20:30 < karasz> if you want to do it right you must eliminate one of them
20:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: how do you want to become that rich now ?
20:31 < karasz> you can not eliminate peoples desires so it must come down to the second factor
20:31 < mnemoc> morfoh: i don't want to become rich, but i'm not a normal human
20:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack :p
20:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: anyway ... you're already rich
20:32 < morfoh> so folks sorry ... but I've to call my brother. It's his birthday 
20:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: different values and priorities
20:32 < karasz> guys, think a little...
20:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... of course
20:33 < mnemoc> .oO
20:33 < karasz> if all the stuff has no value, because everybody can get anything, how does this change humans?
20:34 < morfoh> karasz: go back in the history and take a look for what reason money was created ;)
20:34 < karasz> so let's invent a replicator machine and all this stuff gets resolved
20:34 < mnemoc> karasz: that is not a valid statement because everything is limited
20:34 < morfoh> value is sth. different 
20:34 < karasz> morfoh: no good
20:34 < karasz> i do not talk abt money but what they represent
20:34 < karasz> i vant to eliminate value
20:35 < morfoh> karasz: and what does it represent ?
20:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: the coin was just a tool to do what had been done for much more years
20:35 < karasz> money=value=means to achive personal satisfaction
20:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: iirc coin was adopted by greeks around 5th century bc
20:36 < karasz> maybe fenicians were the first
20:36 < karasz> but anyway
20:36 < karasz> now i make sense morfoh ?
20:36 < mnemoc> karasz: it came from anatolia, so asia not africa.
20:36 < morfoh> money is for transporting the value from point a -> b
20:37 < karasz> fenicians do not came from africa iirc
20:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: money is to simply values exchange
20:37 < karasz> they had a city in africa but it was a colony
20:38 < mnemoc> karasz: they were all semites
20:39 < karasz> mnemoc: that is true
20:40 < karasz> phoenicia was somewhere in the nowdays lebanon
20:41 < mnemoc> originally yes
20:41 < mnemoc> but the center of their empire wasn't there ;)
20:42 < karasz> Chartago outgrew in importance the homeland but nevertheless...
20:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess the center of the empire was/is in the U.S. :p
20:43 < karasz> morfoh: belive or not they reach the costal us
20:43 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
20:43 < karasz> they had colonies there to
20:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: at least if we follow our militant protestant preachers there 
20:44 < karasz> to=too
20:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: it was and it is the center of the truth
20:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: nobody can see the truth as clearly as they can see it
20:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: and that's why they have to penetrate all others 
20:45 < mnemoc> o.o
20:46 < karasz> guys i want to thank you for this nice conversation :)
20:46 < karasz> it slowly brings me back from that holiday sindrome
20:46 < morfoh> karasz: you aborting freely ?
20:46 < karasz> aborting?
20:46 < karasz> never
20:47 < morfoh> :9
20:47 < morfoh> :)
20:47 < karasz> german layout keyboard, huh?
20:47 < mnemoc> 9 and ) are on the same key here too
20:48 < karasz> but why should i abort?
20:48 < karasz> mnemoc: i guess that all layouts except english are in tha same situation, romanian also
20:48 < morfoh> karasz: it seemed to me, because I said "thank you for ..."
20:49 < morfoh> you said 
20:49 < morfoh> I mean
20:49 < karasz> morfoh: i made my point, maybe i was not very understoodable
20:49 < morfoh> I've to give some food to the little "terror rat"
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20:49 < karasz> we must eliminate value if we want a society that is equaly good for everybody
20:50 < Baldzius> re
20:50 < morfoh> hi Baldzius 
20:50 < mnemoc> karasz: what would move the persons without values?
20:50 < Baldzius> damn i can't boot into my new built system
20:50 < Baldzius> sais: no device found
20:50 < karasz> selfestiim selfimprovement hobby
20:50 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)
20:51 < karasz> i want to eliminate tangible values, values that translate to money 
20:52 < Baldzius> i thought maybe i need to insmod ide-cd module, but there are  net scsi dirs
20:52 < karasz> higher values i do not have a problem with :)
20:52 < mnemoc> karasz: no more exchange of limit resources?
20:52 < mnemoc> limited*
20:52  * morfoh thinks ... all engineers should study sociology too :)
20:53 < karasz> if there is no value there are no limited resources
20:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: we have 2 sociology courses 
20:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's a good start :)
20:53 < mnemoc> karasz: sadly most resources are limited, you want it or not
20:54 < karasz> mnemoc: not necesarily
20:54 < mnemoc> karasz: not necesarily?
20:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: it highly depends on our way of living 
20:55 < mnemoc> Baldzius: sata?
20:55 < karasz> mnemoc: it depends on how do you think abt resources
20:55 < Baldzius> mnemoc: no ide
20:55 < Baldzius> i installed 2.1 minimal with np
20:55 < Baldzius> and now trunk bootdisk target doesn't want to boot
20:56 < karasz> materials in one speciffic form are limited indeed, mater in general is unlimited
20:56 < mnemoc> karasz: i don't have cows to get milk, you don't have trees to get fruits. there are no infinite milk or inifinite fruit. so we exchange.
20:57 < karasz> think abt a way in wich you cange mater in materials or anithing else you want..
20:57 < karasz> there are no infinite milk or inifinite fruit. so we exchange.
20:58 < karasz> that is true you are talking abt mater in a speciffic form
20:58 < karasz> mater in a speciffic form is limited
20:58 < mnemoc> what is not limited?
20:58 < karasz> now we excange it
20:58 < karasz> mater in general is not limited
20:59 < mnemoc> :)
20:59 < karasz> you do not have cows but you have rocks or dirt or anything else
20:59 < karasz> change rocks in milk and you are done
20:59 < mnemoc> sure
20:59 < karasz> you do not have to exchange with me
20:59 < mnemoc> but rocks and milk have a value considering how limited they are
21:00 < karasz> more than that you are not interested in what i have
21:00 < karasz> why are they limited?
21:00 < karasz> Univers is infinite
21:00 < mnemoc> ehm
21:00 < karasz> mater should be the same
21:00 < mnemoc> find a way to convert it ;)
21:00 < mnemoc> i can't eat rocks
21:00 < karasz> :)
21:01 < karasz> that is a problem, but i am sure that it can be solved
21:01 < karasz> in the end all amter is the same
21:01 < mnemoc> we need to increase investigation :)
21:01 < mnemoc> let choose a different field, work.
21:01 < karasz> protons, neutrons, electrons in different combinations
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21:01 < sepp> we need better teeths
21:02 < minto_> hi folks
21:02 < mnemoc> sepp: :D
21:02 < mnemoc> hi minto_ 
21:02 < karasz> hi minto_ 
21:02 < minto_> what do we wanna bite :)
21:02 < karasz> :D sepp 
21:02 < mnemoc> karasz: is the work of a medical equivalent to the work of a garbage collector?
21:02 < karasz> mnemoc: yes
21:03 < mnemoc> karasz: how much preparation needs one and the other to do their jobs?
21:03 < mnemoc> how many hours the medical needed to be able to work one hour
21:03 < mnemoc> and how many hours the garbage collector needed to be able to work one hour?
21:04 < karasz> 6 years of college, 2 years of medical asistant and 1 yaer for its speciality
21:04 < karasz> for the garbage collector i do not know
21:04 < mnemoc> both invested 24 hours per day?
21:04 < karasz> no
21:05 < mnemoc> both sacrified the same?
21:05 < karasz> but if the garbage collector learned just 1 day for his job it means that his job is less important?
21:05 < mnemoc> not less important
21:05 < karasz> then i didnt understand your question
21:05 < mnemoc> but not equivalent
21:06 < karasz> if you put it that way is equivalent tyhe job of a brain surgent and a plastical surgent?
21:06 < morfoh> hi sepp + mine :)
21:06 < karasz> they sacrificed about the same time
21:07 < mnemoc> karasz: so those _are_ equivalent
21:07 < karasz> one saves people from dieing or becoming crazy the other one increases boobs
21:07 < mnemoc> 1  brain surgent = 1 plastical surgent, bue 1 plastical surgent is not > 3 garbage collectors
21:08 < mnemoc> s/bue/but/
21:08 < morfoh> i mean hi + minto :)
21:08 < mnemoc> karasz: plastical surgent can also help people which have got burned
21:08 < karasz> that is true
21:09 < mnemoc> i agree they are overpayed
21:09 < karasz> but i gues that the ratio inclines toward the boobs
21:09 < karasz> more boobs done than skin transplants
21:10 < mnemoc> they have limited hours, so they invest them in which pays more. that is natural
21:10 < mnemoc> that's why regulation exist on other fields
21:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: natural ?
21:10 < karasz> who is overpaied?
21:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: it's natural to prefer to get more values than less for the same effort
21:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: the problem is what does he consider a value
21:10 < mnemoc> karasz: plastical surgent
21:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
21:11 < mnemoc> karasz: because his hour doesn't worth 20 times the garbage collector hour
21:11 < mnemoc> but 3 or 4, yes
21:11 < karasz> the fact that plastical surgent is overpaied is not his fault
21:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: and exactly that's the problem
21:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: anyone should have his place in the community
21:12 < karasz> morfoh: and they have not?
21:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: the problem is in our heads
21:12 < karasz> morfoh: that is what i said earlier
21:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: a plastical surgent thinks he is on a higher level than a garbage collector
21:13 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... I agree with you
21:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: you can't design a sytem which goes against nature, you have to assume the problem will exist for ever and find a way to regulate it in a way everyone gets more baneficiated
21:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: what's against the nature ?
21:13 < karasz> mnemoc: i am skeptic
21:14 < karasz> guys it is too late for me
21:14 < morfoh> karasz: for what ? ;)
21:14 < karasz> i must leave although i would like very much to assist to this debate
21:15 < karasz> morfoh: that is true 
21:15 < morfoh> karasz: we'll come back to it ... as far as i know us :)
21:15 < karasz> :)
21:15 < karasz> cu later guys
21:15 < morfoh> cu
21:15 < rxr> re
21:16 < mnemoc> re rxr 
21:16 < mnemoc> cu karasz 
21:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: the desire of being 'special' is natural
21:17 < mnemoc> rxr: www3 has aaallll the content we have on www2.... rename?
21:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps ... but perhaps not
21:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: and perhaps we had 5000 years of brain washing 
21:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: what makes 'one' special is the issue
21:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: 5000 years with the same definition of special ;)
21:18 < rxr> www3 is dog slow, right ?
21:18 < mnemoc> is?
21:18 < rxr> is
21:18 < morfoh> rxr: I'll migrate to new plone on this weekend
21:19 < mnemoc> rxr: but www2 != www ;)
21:19 < morfoh> we've to sync both anyway 
21:19 < mnemoc> sure, but we are not yet ready
21:20 < mnemoc> i just wanted to drop one www* 
21:21 < mnemoc> until www.morfoh.de/t2 gets ready to receive the export
21:22 < mnemoc> is www3 as slow to make imposible to add content?
21:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope
21:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it's sometimes not available
21:22 < mnemoc> they have had electric troubles this week
21:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: I don't know why ... but I guess due to link probs
21:23 < rxr> has anyone a fedora core or so handy ?
21:23 < mnemoc> but it's a big insurence company so i guess they will find a way to solve that soon
21:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: but as I told you ... it's quite ok to add content
21:23 < morfoh> rxr: nope 
21:24 < rxr> I find it slow ..
21:24 < mnemoc> rxr you upload content on text files ;)
21:25 < rxr> index.html alike in 25 seconds
21:25 < mnemoc> uhm
21:25 < mnemoc> that is slow
21:25 < rxr> ok 16 s it is ...
21:25 < rxr> 20s to be finally on the screen ..
21:25 < rxr> at 16 the first content apears ..
21:25 < morfoh> rxr: ack ... sometimes it's really slow ... but mostly it was ok so far. at least to work with plone
21:26 < CIA-9> amery * r11311 /trunk/package/develop/coral/coral.desc: * updated coral (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1)
21:26 < morfoh> rxr: okok ... I'll increase migration speed that we can stop this discussion. But anyway I'd like to have a mirror in chile :)
21:27 < mnemoc> nah.... .de sites have good speed here :)
21:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... it's your decission :p
21:27 < mnemoc> it was simply an alternative to speed up content addition
21:28 < mnemoc> if noone will add content i can send you an export now and shutdown the site
21:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm over busy right now  - I would not be able to add content whereever the side is
21:29 < rxr> but leave it online - let's not stop people wanting to work on it ...
21:29 < mnemoc> ok
21:29 < Baldzius> why ide cdrom support is taged M in default kernel config?
21:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: if you've time I'd prefer to do the migration tomorrow 
21:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: at this hour i'll have time
21:30 < morfoh> Baldzius: I guess, because our chief architect likes fully modular kernels :)
21:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: good ... i'll be ready 
21:30 < morfoh> :)
21:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
21:30 < Baldzius> gg now i can't load 2 stage
21:31 < Baldzius> and i don't see ide drivers in modules dir
21:31 < mnemoc> rxr: doesn't magic initrd solves that?
21:31 < rxr> hoehm
21:31 < rxr> damn
21:31 < rxr> Baldzius did built trunk bootdisk _
21:31 < rxr> ? even
21:31 < Baldzius> yes
21:31 < Baldzius> trunk
21:31 < rxr> ouhm
21:32 < Baldzius> there are scsi
21:32 < Baldzius> net
21:32 < rxr> trunk bootdisk is not really ready yet :-(
21:32 < morfoh> oh!oh!
21:32 < rxr> Baldzius: can you give me the weekend and it will work again
21:32 < Baldzius> i will change default kernel config
21:32 < Baldzius> for myself
21:32 < morfoh> this sounds like "do it again ... "
21:32 < mnemoc> Baldzius: config/$config/linux.cfg
21:33 < Baldzius> mnemoc: thanks i know :)
21:33 < Baldzius> i have 1 stupid question left :)
21:33 < Baldzius> can i rebuilt linux26 when i have bootdisk target done?
21:33 < morfoh> .oO( this Baldzius is a tough guy )o :)
21:33 < mnemoc> Baldzius: stupid is to not ask the questions
21:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: yep
21:33 < mnemoc> Baldzius: yes
21:33 < Baldzius> how?
21:34 < rxr> that is a 2nd question
21:34 < Baldzius> :)
21:34 < mnemoc> Baldzius: ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg $config -job 5-linux26
21:34 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
21:34 < Baldzius> thanks :)
21:34 < morfoh> rxr: :)
21:34 < morfoh> rxr: you're a bit pedantic today :)
21:34 < rxr> was just joking ..
21:34 < mnemoc> ;)
21:34 < morfoh> rxr: we all know :)
21:35 < morfoh> rxr: /me was joking too 
21:35 < mnemoc> we could add ers' how to ask questions on topic :)
21:35 < Baldzius> :)
21:35 < mnemoc> esr*
21:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: I just want to have so much guns like esr :p
21:36 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
21:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: that I can start to fight for "freedom and democracy" :p
21:37  * morfoh hides
21:37 < mnemoc> ooo m123 with java support has been building for 4 hours.... /me wonders if it will finish sucessfully 
21:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: i hate democracy ;)
21:38  * morfoh wears camouflage suite now ... 
21:38 < mnemoc> hehe
21:38 < sepp> computer grey camouflage?
21:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ? it's good :p
21:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: ask yankees about it :)
21:39 < morfoh> sepp: no! computer grey is "normal" real for hiding in the jungle
21:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm asking them all day ... but I cannot understand their points :p
21:40 < mnemoc> :)
21:41 < sepp> hui via unicrap works with xorg 6.8.99.900
21:41 < mnemoc> morfoh: news about 2.6.11.12?
21:41 < sepp> :)
21:41 < morfoh> sepp: but indeed ... "computer grey camouflage" would be quite helpfull while hiding in a western european city 
21:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: ?
21:41 < mnemoc> morfoh: linux-header on 2.1
21:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: ref build ?
21:41 < mnemoc> morfoh: yes
21:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: it passes 
21:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: the whole ref??
21:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: no problems so far 
21:42 < mnemoc> great
21:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope
21:42 < morfoh> not all
21:42 < mnemoc> ehm.... what is 'so far'
21:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: the ref isn't completely finished yet
21:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: you have more than 10 errors? (that's what normal reference has)
21:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: nope ... while I left office I had about 2-3 err's 
21:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: and one was due to the stupid behavior of "someone"
21:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: :D
21:44 < morfoh> :D
21:52 < CIA-9> amery * r11312 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gconf/gconf.desc: * merged 10508 from trunk: updated gconf (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
21:53 < rxr> how many of the fedora cds do I need to install a base system?
21:53 < rxr> al the 4 or so ?
21:53 < morfoh> rxr: I guess yes ... 
21:53 < morfoh> rxr: when I was installing fdc last time I need all 
21:54 < morfoh> rxr: but it wasn't really a base system
21:56 < mnemoc> isn't it a dvd?
21:56 < rxr> cd as well
21:56 < rxr> I boycot dvd and have (AFAIK) no DVD burner in house ...
21:57 < morfoh> rxr: I had a CD set
21:57 < mnemoc> i don't have dvd reader :)
21:57 < morfoh> rxr: provided by my "chef"
21:57 < morfoh> rxr: you can imagine that I wouldn't freely fdc :p
21:57 < morfoh> install
21:57 < mnemoc> > configure:2651: checking for suffix of object files
21:57 < mnemoc> > configure:2672: i386-t2-linux-gnu-gcc -c  -g -DNDEBUG=1  conftest.c >&5
21:57 < mnemoc> > conftest.c:1: error: bad value (k62) for -march= switch
21:57 < mnemoc> > conftest.c:1: error: bad value (k62) for -mtune= switch
21:57 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"]
21:58 < mnemoc> ^---- from ML
21:58 < rxr> morfoh: me neither I need initramfs stuff to compare
21:58 < morfoh> at least not on a production system
21:58 < rxr> and such details are not google able
21:58 < rxr> only crap in the net
21:59 < rxr> * Mon Aug  2 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj@redhat.com> - 4.0.0-1
21:59 < rxr> - use new mount magic instead of pivot_root on 2.6 kernels
21:59 < rxr> ^- excuse me - what the f*ck ...
21:59 < rxr> moutn magic ...
22:00  * mnemoc loves redhat people
22:00 < morfoh> .oO( I knew it before ... mnemoc is a hippie :p )o
22:00 < mnemoc> :)
22:01 < morfoh> I think we've to collect some money to buy an old VW bus for mnemoc :)
22:01 < mnemoc> t2?
22:02 < morfoh> "Master mnemoc's T2 love mobil"
22:02 < morfoh> and then w just have to wait fo the "output" :)
22:02 < morfoh> this could be funny while mnemoc is making love to some "rehdat's" :p
22:02 < mnemoc> btw, i'll sell my car on monday, great bday present to pay bills :)
22:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... but it's just a car 
22:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: I had to sell my beloved car too 
22:04 < mnemoc> today i got a nice offer for mine, let see on monday if person arrives with the money :)
22:04 < _Ragnar_> bbl, lunch
22:05 < mnemoc> cu _Ragnar_ 
22:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: if he makes troubles ... you just have to tell him that your ancestors are from italy :)
22:05 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: cu
22:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: o_O
22:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: you know ... "La familia"
22:06 < morfoh> Don Alejendro :)
22:06 < mnemoc> :)
22:06 < Baldzius> :)))
22:08 < mnemoc> freak comment: MAFIA="Morte Alla Francia, Italia Anela"
22:08 < morfoh> "The Pellegrini Family" :)
22:09 < mnemoc> ehm
22:09 < morfoh> Don Alejandro Mery Pellegrini
22:09 < Baldzius> mnemoc: 2.1 branch which openssl version has?
22:09 < morfoh> and if I take a look at the rocklinux gallery, one can see a young mafioso :)
22:10 < Baldzius> morfoh: :)
22:10 < rxr> damn
22:10 < mnemoc> Baldzius: 0.9.7g
22:10 < rxr> mkinitrd of fedora is a bit ifdef shell script
22:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: :(
22:10 < rxr> no fun to follow
22:11 < mnemoc> Baldzius: 0.9.8 has big changes
22:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: just joking of course :)
22:11 < Baldzius> mnemoc: yeah, don't upgrade it will break at least 2 packages :)
22:11 < morfoh> Baldzius: I think it breaks even more 
22:12 < mnemoc> Baldzius: openssl on 2.1 is frozen
22:13 < Baldzius> i tried to fix ipsec-tools, after an hour my brain refused to work and rebooted "
22:13 < Baldzius> :)
22:13 < mnemoc> Baldzius: :)
22:14 < Baldzius> after that all openssl related errors i just ignored :)
22:14 < mnemoc> :)
22:14 < Baldzius> but it was fun :)
22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: 1-glibc use 0-gcc for 'gcc'?
22:14 < mnemoc> Baldzius: :)
22:15 < Baldzius> i love trunk :)))
22:16 < mnemoc> Baldzius: your choice ;)
22:16 < rxr> mnemoc: it should
22:16  * rxr bed ...
22:17 < rxr> damn bug I hit ..
22:17 < Baldzius> :)
22:17 < rxr> cu back in the early morning as usual ...
22:17 < rxr> - use new mount magic instead of pivot_root on 2.6 kernels
22:17 < mnemoc> rxr: avoid dreaming aboit pivot_root :)
22:17 < morfoh> cu rxr 
22:17 < morfoh> rxr: sleep well ... and don't dream abour redhat's :)
22:17 < morfoh> about
22:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: is k62 a valid gcc arch?
22:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: dunno ... but it looks weird
22:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ?
22:19 < mnemoc> ML
22:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: just for you: http://www.nothingisreal.com/girlfriend/
22:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you wanna express with the provided URL ?
22:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: read it... is fun ;)
22:24 < morfoh> interstellar romanceinterstellar romance
22:24 < morfoh> ooops
22:24 < morfoh> :)
22:27 < CIA-9> amery * r11313 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/ (gnome-volume-manager.desc hal50.patch): * merged 9761,11240 from trunk: updated gnome-volume-manager (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
22:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: :D
22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you read the mail ?
22:31 < morfoh> http://www.nothingisreal.com/girlfriend/mail01
22:32 < mnemoc> no....
22:33 < mnemoc> pff
22:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: what is pff ? :)
22:35 < mnemoc> the mail 
22:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... stupido :)
22:35 < mnemoc> estupido*
22:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx :)
22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: but she was speaking in the name of all women :)
22:36  * morfoh hides before he gets slapped by a women 
22:37 < mnemoc> using the bible to justify heterosexuality is stupid anyway ;)
22:37 < morfoh> or I should go outside ... I could verify the test
22:37 < mnemoc> :D
22:38 < mnemoc> i liked the essay
22:38 < morfoh> I think I'm living in a quite good area for that purpose
22:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack :)
22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: lots of tourists and lots of "berlin natives" around here :)
22:39 < CIA-9> amery * r11314 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kdewebdev/kdewebdev.desc: * merged 11248 from trunk: re-repriorized kdewebdev after kdelibs which was moved bellow by mistake and merged to 2.1 by stupidity
22:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
22:40 < morfoh> so I can expect a quite good slice plane 
22:41 < morfoh> :)
22:41 < mnemoc> hehe
22:43 < mnemoc> no .jp,.ko and .tw?
22:43 < mnemoc> err
22:43 < mnemoc> wrong windows
22:43 < mnemoc> wrong window
23:01 < CIA-9> amery * r11315 /branches/2.1/package/security/clamav/clamav.desc: * merged 10748 from trunk: updated clamav (0.86.1 -> 0.86.2)
23:03 < Baldzius> good night
23:03 < mnemoc> gn8 Baldzius 
23:03 < Baldzius> :)
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23:19 < CIA-9> amery * r11316 /trunk/package/gnome2/drwright/dbus_api.patch: * fixed drwright's dbus patch to apply with -p1, and copyright note added.
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23:49 < keinek> hi
23:54 < sepp> hi keinek 
23:58 < CIA-9> amery * r11317 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/drwright/ (dbus_api.patch drwright.desc): * merged 11310,11316 from trunk: repriorized drwright after dbus, and fixed to use current API
23:58 < morfoh> hi keinek
23:58 < morfoh> good night all
23:58 < mnemoc> gn8 morfoh 
23:58 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
23:58 < morfoh> good night mnemoc :)
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