T2 IRC Log: 2005-08-10

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--- Log opened Wed Aug 10 00:00:00 2005
00:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll not kill it ... just shuting down :p
00:01 < mnemoc> oh, boring :(
00:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know. You're server kill master #1 :)
00:01 < mnemoc> :)
00:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: but the mnemosyne running on it is very hard to kill :)
00:02 < mnemoc> :)
00:03 < morfoh> 5
00:03 < mnemoc> mnemosyne needs grsec
00:03 < morfoh> 4
00:03 < morfoh> 3
00:03 < morfoh> 2
00:03 < morfoh> 1
00:03 < morfoh> # shutdown -h now
00:03 < mnemoc> init 6 ;)
00:03 < morfoh> ok ... the next time :)
00:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! didn't I commited my grsec on mnemosyne yet ?
00:04 < morfoh> shame on me
00:04 < morfoh> :p
00:18 < mnemoc> i need to get time to rewrite mnemosyne.in in perl
00:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: couldn't we avoid perl ?
00:19 < mnemoc> i doubt
00:19 < morfoh> I know it's suites quite well
00:19 < morfoh> but I don't like it
00:20 < morfoh> hmmm ... but perhaps I've to accept it
00:20 < mnemoc> current bash/sed/cut approach is too slow
00:20 < morfoh> ack
00:20 < morfoh> and python ?
00:20 < mnemoc> and real node based dependency handlying is imposible
00:20 < morfoh> I'd like to contribute more things regarding that issue
00:21 < morfoh> but if we're using perl ...
00:21 < mnemoc> mnemosyne.in is even more obscure that most perl script :)
00:22 < mnemoc> i tend to right obscure bash scripts :(
00:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... I think it's as obscure as the mind behind it :p
00:22 * morfoh hides
00:23 < mnemoc> same do i :)
00:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... let's use perl ... I'll take to make up my mind perl ready :)
00:23 < sepp> uhm why is fox 1.5 aka unstable in trunk? it breaks rezound - the only app that uses fox
00:24 < mnemoc> svn blame ?
00:24 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_ may know
00:24 < _Ragnar_> I didn't up to 1.5
00:24 < morfoh> oh! greetuings from "curry wurst city" to "nudossi city" :)
00:25 < sepp> morfoh: haha :)
00:25 < _Ragnar_> msluis did it
00:26 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: haha ... this oranje guy should try to blame me again :)
00:26 < _Ragnar_> o_o
00:26 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: just joking of course
00:26 < morfoh> :)
00:26 < _Ragnar_> ;D
00:26 < mnemoc> :)
00:27 < sepp> ok i'll try latest stable and rezound
00:27 < _Ragnar_> fox unstable is generally not a good idea
00:27 < _Ragnar_> they change interfaces pretty often in unstable
00:28 < mnemoc> if you revert please add a note on commit message _and_ .desc file
00:28 < _Ragnar_> I'll wait and see if sepp has success with stable
00:31 < sepp> i try 1.4.17 last one in trunk (before 1.5.x) was 1.4.16
00:32 < mnemoc> ack
00:36 < morfoh> good night folss
00:36 < morfoh> folks
00:36 < mnemoc> :)
00:36 < sepp> sleep well morfoh :)
00:37 < morfoh> sepp: thanks "nudossi master" :)
00:37 < sepp> haha
00:37 < morfoh> hehe
00:37 < morfoh> hoho :)
00:37 < morfoh> cu tomorrow .)
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00:46 < keinek> hi
00:51 < sepp> hmm my notebook is still building fox, i have to sleep now
00:51 < sepp> good night all
00:51 < _Ragnar_> nini
00:51 < _Ragnar_> highlight me or privmsg me with the result plz
00:52 < sepp> ok
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01:02 < sparc-kly> keinek
01:02 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly
01:03 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc
01:09 < _Ragnar_> is trac down?
01:10 < mnemoc> yes
01:10 < mnemoc> 1h
01:10 < mnemoc> changes on datacenter
01:41 < shingo--> I never see it before. "configuration error - unknown item 'FAILLOG_ENAB' (notify administrator)", there's many others messages like this. who known something about this?
01:43 < mnemoc> FAILLOG_ENAB (boolean) If yes then login failures will be accumulated in /var/log/faillog in a faillog(8) format.
01:59 < shingo--> ok, but after update it's occurs. should I put here? all messages?
01:59 < shingo--> the last version of shadow don't occurs this.
02:02 < mnemoc> i haven't seen that problem before
02:02 < mnemoc> what google say about that?
02:08 < shingo--> I think, the /etc/login.defs was obsolete, when I "clear" this file the "problem" don't occurs.
02:10 < mnemoc> shingo--: add an issue on trac about that please
02:11 < shingo--> please wait, I'm trying get more information about that. I think it's not really a bug. I think is not time for that yet.
02:14 < mnemoc> ok
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04:36 < CIA-9> amery * r10911 /trunk/package/zope/plone/plone.desc: * updated plone (2.1-rc1 -> 2.1-rc2)
04:36 < CIA-9> amery * r10912 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * copied mnemosyne.in into mnemosyne.pl, functions defined but bash code commented :)
04:37 < CIA-9> amery * r10913 /trunk/package/zope/linguaplone/linguaplone.desc: * updated linguaplone (0.7 -> 0.7.2)
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05:00 < CIA-9> amery * r10914 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * added code to initialy call mnemosyne.pl's tgt_mnemosyne_render()
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05:12 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Tue Aug 9 23:45:30 2005]
05:12 [Users #t2]
05:12 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ sepp_ ]
05:12 [ [Kosh] ] [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek] [ rxr ] [ shingo--]
05:12 [ _Lewelly1] [ dsoul ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
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06:18 < shingo--> let me try to say by another way, if i'm not put this "that mount -n -a -t proc || error=$?" in /etc/init.d/system, my system enter with a lot of error messages.
06:19 < shingo--> I'll wrote this after in trac.
06:20 < mnemoc> shingo--: what is on your /etc/fstab ?
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07:56 < morfoh> moin
07:57 < morfoh> trac is up again
07:58 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
07:58 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :)
07:58 < morfoh> still awake ?
07:59 < mnemoc> yep
08:00 < mnemoc> trying to remember perl :)
08:00 < morfoh> oh!
08:01 < morfoh> then I understand that you're still awake, because if you go sleep you'll get a nightmare :)
08:01 < mnemoc> :)
08:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: foxy this mnemoc is
08:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: svn log -r 10914:10915 :D
08:07 < mnemoc> :)
08:18 < _Ragnar_> hmm anyone here got a statically linked grub for me?:)
08:19 < mnemoc> uhm
08:19 < mnemoc> not me :)
08:30 < morfoh> moin Ragnar
08:30 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: let me see if I got a static grub .... one moment
08:30 < _Ragnar_> moin moin:)
08:31 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yo yo ... denn man tau :)
08:31 < _Ragnar_> naja wohl mehr nacht hier :)
08:32 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: dachte ich mir schon ;)
08:32 < _Ragnar_> ;D
08:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you translated our small "conversation" yet ? :p
08:35 < mnemoc> nah.... i'm looking at perl code :)
08:35 < mnemoc> and /leo is not working :(
08:36 < _Ragnar_> did you find a grub?
08:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: http://dict.leo.org/ ?
08:38 < mnemoc> i have it as one of the search engines on firefox :)
08:39 < mnemoc> that search field on firefox's upper/left is very useful
08:40 < mnemoc> i have google, leo, dictionary.com, drae (official spanish dictionary) and wikipedia
08:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: damn ... you're very well prepared :)
08:41 < mnemoc> :)
08:41 < _Ragnar_> :D
08:41 < mnemoc> i guess i'll remove ebay, amazon and yahoo from there on mnemosyne :)
08:42 * _Ragnar_ nudge morfoh
08:44 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: hey what's up ... I'll will call my big brother if you'll try that again
08:44 < mnemoc> big brother of grandpa'?
08:44 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: his name is Otto
08:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... :)
08:45 < mnemoc> :(
08:45 < mnemoc> :)
08:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: there are even older people than me
08:45 < mnemoc> really?
08:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: and my brother Otto is a very powerful politician here ...
08:46 < mnemoc> nepotism doesn't work there?
08:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: he doesn't like crappy people from other countries ... especially not the poor ones ... so take care
08:47 < mnemoc> very powerful politicians don't have poor brothers :)
08:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: and he likes to fight against bad te**o*ists
08:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: and opus dei is his favourite organization
08:48 < mnemoc> :)
08:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: well not to fight against
08:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: so believe me ... take care ... he's watching us
08:49 * mnemoc hides silently
08:49 * morfoh watches back
08:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: you can hide whereever you want ... he will crush your cuhones
08:51 < morfoh> and eats them for lunch :p
08:52 * morfoh hides before brother Otto
08:52 < mnemoc> o.o
08:54 < _Ragnar_> ;p
08:55 < _Ragnar_> well ttyl then
09:03 < _Ragnar_> nini folks
09:09 < mnemoc> neenee _Ragnar_
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09:52 < rxr_> re
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09:53 < mnemoc> wb rxr
09:54 < morfoh> moin rxr
09:55 < morfoh> rxr: can I send the sponsoring request out or do you have sth. what I should change ?
09:55 < morfoh> rxr: I wanted to send it out today, because I'll be away from thursday till tuesday
09:56 < morfoh> ok cu in about 1h
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10:11 < rxr> hey cool - one bit for my crappy ink jet printer and CRT - so I get at least 2 EUR ;-)
10:12 < mnemoc> o.o
10:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm happy when I'm rid of that trash ...
10:12 < mnemoc> :)
10:12 < rxr> in germany I would have (in theory) even pay for the disposal or eletric trash ...
10:13 < mnemoc> o_O
10:13 < rxr> so +2EUR are better than -60EUR
10:13 < mnemoc> :)
10:15 < rxr> the -60 is estimated - no idea how expensive the disposal of the 21" CRT would be ...
10:16 < mnemoc> :)
10:16 < mnemoc> expensive anyway
10:18 < rxr> ack
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10:23 < valentin> moin
10:23 < valentin> *yawn*
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10:29 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I think the perl fix from sunday is important
10:29 < CIA-3> amery * r10919 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * began porting on mnemosyne.pl's tgt_mnemosyne_render_option into perl.
10:30 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i have it locally merged, i'll commit tomorrow
10:30 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, why is that missing include=/usr/include/db3 my fault?
10:31 < CIA-3> rene * r10920 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnomesu/ (. gnomesu.cache gnomesu.desc): * added gnomesu (0.3.1)
10:32 < rxr> mnemoc: no - it is not - do you mean because I first wrote you broke it?
10:32 < rxr> I first thought it might be your bdb splitting - I later on wrote that you haven't been it but it must have been a perl change
10:32 < mnemoc> :)
10:33 < rxr> adding this osx conditional to the makefile.pl overwriting our include injectino
10:45 < mnemoc> i'll commit in some hours, after a quick nap.... cu :)
10:45 < rxr> cu
10:45 < rxr> btw. I fwd'ed the news to golem - let's see if they pick up that news again
10:57 < shingo--> moin.
10:58 < shingo--> mnemoc, i had ask me for my /etc/fstab. http://pastebin.com/333551
10:58 < shingo--> sorry, you had. :)
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11:10 < morfoh> re hi
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11:39 < rxr> http://www.betanews.com/article/AntiMS_Group_Aims_to_Block_Vista/1123614377
11:48 < valentin> cool
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11:48 < rxr> haha:
11:48 < rxr> Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give
11:48 < rxr> the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 284 more bytes)
11:49 < rxr> valentin: note that that seems to be a republican politican ...
11:49 < rxr> not some whatsoever freak but normally assumed to be conservative
11:49 < valentin> yep
11:50 < morfoh> moin vel
11:50 < morfoh> moin valentin +
11:50 < valentin> moin morfoh
11:51 < morfoh> rxr: I don't want to annoy you, but did you had time for the text ?
11:52 < rxr> thanks for the reminder
11:52 < morfoh> :)
11:52 < rxr> I reread over it in some seconds
11:52 < morfoh> rxr: thanks :)
11:54 < morfoh> rxr: it would be nice, if we find some more points what we can offer a sponsor
11:55 < morfoh> or if you have ideas regarding sponsoring areas
12:00 < rxr> well - the big picture is fine so far
12:00 < morfoh> good :)
12:01 < rxr> I do not really have time for the details since I'm in Switzerland this week as you might have read ... thus - well - just reread it or so and send it - let's see what repsonse we might get
12:02 < morfoh> ok
12:02 < morfoh> rxr: and the potential sponsoring areas ?
12:03 < morfoh> any other ideas than traffic, collocation, servers, and development hardware ?
12:03 < rxr> maybe Messe Standfl??
12:03 < rxr> che -
12:03 < morfoh> ok
12:03 < morfoh> and the other way around ? what we can offer a sponsor?
12:04 < rxr> maybe more points like - specialized embedded / security solutions - contact to highly si
12:04 < rxr> killed people for custom application development or whatsoever
12:05 < morfoh> rxr: so I'll reread the text now if you've not detected some crap and send it out
12:06 < morfoh> rxr: the only problem I see is that we cannont offer a whole development for free I think
12:06 < rxr> of course not
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12:06 < rxr> that is why I wrote "contact" ,-)
12:06 < morfoh> ;)
12:06 < morfoh> foxy
12:07 < morfoh> rxr: so the best in that case would be if they have sth. like an own development department to support this group in a timely fashion or so
12:08 < morfoh> anyway ... let's send it out and see what will come out of it
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12:19 < rxr> morfoh: ack
12:19 < rxr> ok - this itny
12:20 < rxr> tiny box can encrypt 1MB/s with a 1024bit key and gnupg - that is enough for me ...
12:20 < morfoh> :)
12:21 < rxr> s/me/the clients/
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12:37 < morfoh> moin mtr
12:38 < mtr> moin morfoh
12:38 < mtr> hi *
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13:24 < morfoh> rxr: mail is out
13:58 < rxr> cc'ed to me ?
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: nope, but I can send it to you too. moment please
14:03 < morfoh> rxr: mail is out
14:04 < morfoh> rxr: kannst du vielleicht noch auf der Website die News bzgl. der rc2 release aktualisieren ?
14:04 < morfoh> oops
14:04 < morfoh> wasn't a query
14:04 < morfoh> sorry for writing german
14:05 < morfoh> ok I'll move now
14:05 < morfoh> cu later
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14:22 < CIA-3> rene * r10922 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/ (hotplud.d/ hotplug.d/): * fixed grave typo in archivista rootfs overlay (hotplud.d -> hotplug.d)
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15:43 < rxr> oeh 10 EUR for the damn CRT
15:43 < rxr> did not expected that /much/
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16:38 < CIA-3> rene * r10923 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug:
16:38 < CIA-3> * reworked most parts of target/archivista/.../90-backup.hotplug,
16:38 < CIA-3> including authentication and preparation of the next junk of
16:38 < CIA-3> automagic to be added soon
16:38 < rxr> s/junk/chunk/ ,-)
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16:59 < keinek_> hi
17:23 < keinek_> www.mspacman.com.ar :P
17:23 < keinek_> for xmame.x11
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17:38 < mnemoc> moin
17:38 < CIA-3> rene * r10924 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: * the next chunk of work in target/archivista/.../90-backup.hotplug
17:38 < mnemoc> rxr: 10 is lots more than 2 :)
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
17:41 < mnemoc> rxr: and for the printer?
17:43 < rxr> 3,xx I think ,-)
17:44 < mnemoc> :)
17:50 < rxr> where does this mt for tape access usually come from ?
17:52 < mnemoc> # grep '/mt$' build/ref-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/*
17:52 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/digikam:digikam: opt/kde3/share/locale/mt
17:52 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/kdebase:kdebase: opt/kde3/share/locale/l10n/mt
17:52 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/xorg:xorg: usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/mt
17:52 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/xorg:xorg: usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/mt
17:52 < mnemoc> none useful i guess
17:53 < rxr> I have the same
17:54 < rxr> openldap stalls infinitly on PPC on both trunk and 2.1 ...
17:54 < rxr> while checking for threaded bdb I think
17:54 < rxr> checking for db.h... yes
17:54 < rxr> checking for Berkeley DB link (default)... no
17:54 < rxr> checking for Berkeley DB link (-ldb43)... no
17:54 < rxr> checking for Berkeley DB link (-ldb-43)... no
17:54 < rxr> checking for Berkeley DB link (-ldb-4.3)... yes
17:54 < rxr> checking for Berkeley DB version match... yes
17:54 < rxr> checking for Berkeley DB thread support...
17:55 < mnemoc> config.log ?
17:55 < mnemoc> cmd_wrapper.log ?
17:55 < rxr> 27197 pts/0 T 0:00 ./conftest
17:55 < rxr> ^- runs since then ...
17:55 < rxr> configure:20019: checking for Berkeley DB thread support
17:55 < rxr> configure:20101: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -ldb-4.3 -pthread -lresolv 1>&5
17:56 < mnemoc> uhm
17:56 < rxr> mnemoc: ignore - I track - sonner than later
17:56 < mnemoc> GCC_WRAPPER ?
17:56 < rxr> since it stalls susan's and my PPC builds - one 2.1 and the other PPC@Live ...
17:56 < mnemoc> :(
17:56 < rxr> mnemoc: no - the conftest binary runs ...
17:56 < rxr> since then ...
17:58 < rxr> found mt-st in drock
17:58 * rxr porting ..
17:58 < rxr> I think this is the drock liost packages porting week
17:59 < rxr> lost of cours
17:59 < rxr> e
18:00 < mnemoc> drock still alive?
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18:01 < rxr> as source to rip stuff out in ~rene/develop/old/ATTIC/rock/... , yes
18:01 < mnemoc> :)
18:02 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BECC6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
18:03 < morfoh> re hi
18:04 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
18:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: dansguardian-av patch still missing
18:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: quagga's .init also
18:04 < morfoh> hola señor :)
18:04 * morfoh hides
18:04 < morfoh> cu later
18:04 < mnemoc> :(
18:04 < morfoh> :(
18:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... I'll take a look
18:05 < mnemoc> :)
18:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: can't see you crying
18:05 < mnemoc> :( <--- sad vs. :'( <--- crying
18:05 < rxr> ah - and mt-st in T2 will immediatly be newer than the debian package *g*
18:06 < mnemoc> :D
18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc is a pedant
18:07 < mnemoc> :'(
18:08 < morfoh> :(bbl
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18:16 < CIA-3> rene * r10925 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/no-mt-man.patch: * fixed cpio to not install a stray mt manual page
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18:16 < mnemoc> hi veki
18:17 < CIA-3> rene * r10926 /trunk/package/base/mt-st/ (. mt-st.cache mt-st.desc): * added mt-st (0.9) - port from dRock-1.6.1-rc2
18:18 < CIA-3> amery * r10927 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-forms/gnue-forms.desc: * updated gnue-forms (0.5.11.99-beta2 -> 0.5.11.99-pre1)
18:18 < CIA-3> amery * r10928 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-appserver/gnue-appserver.desc: * updated gnue-appserver (0.4.1.99-beta1 -> 0.4.1.99-pre1)
18:19 < CIA-3> amery * r10929 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-common/gnue-common.desc: * updated gnue-common (0.5.99-beta1 -> 0.5.99-pre1)
18:19 < veki> hi
18:19 < veki> mnemoc :)
18:20 < CIA-3> amery * r10930 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-navigator/gnue-navigator.desc: * updated gnue-navigator (0.0.8.99-beta1 -> 0.0.8.99-pre1)
18:20 < CIA-3> amery * r10931 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-reports/gnue-reports.desc: * updated gnue-reports (0.1.7.99-beta2 -> 0.1.7.99-pre1)
18:21 < CIA-3> amery * r10932 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-designer/gnue-designer.desc: * updated gnue-designer (0.5.6.99-beta1 -> 0.5.6.99-pre1)
18:23 < CIA-3> rene * r10933 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/cpio.conf:
18:23 < CIA-3> * fixed cpio.conf to use a correct bindir instead of moving the
18:23 < CIA-3> installed binary
18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: can you check if this is still actual?
18:28 < rxr> package/archiver/cpio/no_rmt.patch
18:28 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:28 < mnemoc> please rephrase :)
18:31 < veki> mnemoc: I have installed t2 again, when I want to do svn up it says skipped '.'
18:31 < veki> I suppose i have to do svn co..
18:31 < veki> what is link for t2-stable for svn co
18:31 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1
18:33 < rxr> re
18:34 < mnemoc> rxr: do you know something cheaper that 'svn diff -r | lsdiff' to get the list of changed files ?
18:37 < rxr> mnemoc: you seem to be the author of that patch and tar only installs it invisible for the user in /usr/libexec
18:37 < rxr> so I mean - do we still want to skip this binary you patch away from cpio ?
18:37 < rxr> or do we these days like to have it
18:37 < rxr> (though I do not know who might need it -)
18:38 < mnemoc> oh, now i remember
18:38 < mnemoc> rpm includes rmt
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18:39 < mnemoc> and we 'prefered' that one over cpio's
18:39 < mnemoc> let me confirm
18:39 < mnemoc> nope, 'dump' and 'tar'
18:39 < rxr> btw. dump and tar ?
18:40 < mnemoc> the first on /usr/sbin and the second on libexec
18:40 < rxr> /btw/d
18:40 < mnemoc> that was a hack to avoid the 'share'
18:40 < rxr> my tar only has usr/libexec/rmt
18:40 < mnemoc> the first on /usr/sbin and the second on libexec
18:44 < rxr> ok - DLT tape backup functual - puh
18:44 < rxr> with the first you mean cpio ?
18:44 < mnemoc> nope
18:44 < mnemoc> dump
18:44 < mnemoc> i don't remember which makes conflict with cpio, but one did :(
18:45 < mnemoc> doesn't svn log say something about?
18:45 < rxr> I do not see that conflict anymore - thus I asked
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: the patch says tar ...
18:46 < mnemoc> so, where is cpio installing rmt now?
18:46 < rxr> I have not test-compiled it ...
18:46 < rxr> the log also says tar
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18:47 < sepp> hi
18:47 < mnemoc> hi sepp
18:47 < sepp> hi mnemoc
18:49 < rxr> ok - it installs into libexec as welll
18:49 < rxr> sorry to bother you
18:49 < mnemoc> nah... don't worry :)
18:50 < CIA-3> rene * r10934 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added mt-st to the archivista package selection
18:51 < rxr> live cd with DLT backup support ,-)
18:51 < rxr> .o(as well as exporting encrypted data and such ...)
18:52 < rxr> btw - I have the blender update scheduled
18:54 < mnemoc> :D
18:56 < morfoh> re hi
18:56 < morfoh> now the flat is complete ... last person moved in
18:56 < CIA-3> rene * r10935 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.10.4 -> 2.10.5)
18:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
18:57 < rxr> person ?
18:57 < mnemoc> rxr: new gnome 2.10?
18:57 < rxr> mnemoc: not that I can see
18:58 < morfoh> rxr: I think the mail was ok.
18:59 < morfoh> rxr: I phoned with him after that and he will ask within the bcix network for sponsoring partners
18:59 < morfoh> the next day
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19:04 < CIA-3> sebastian * r10936 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc:
19:04 < CIA-3> * downgraded fox (1.5.6 -> 1.4.17) - latest stable release
19:04 < CIA-3> 1.5 is unstable and breaks rezound
19:07 < CIA-3> rene * r10937 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/sbin/init.d/system: * readded swap activation to the archivista init.d/system overlay
19:09 < rxr> we need an equivalent : http://www.m0n0.ch/
19:10 < mnemoc> *click*
19:10 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll extend mnemosyne into mnemosyne-frontier soon
19:11 < rxr> and then there is that: http://www.pfsense.com/
19:11 < rxr> the ISP of this company has just installed^Wsetup the later here
19:11 < mnemoc> morfoh: what do you think of mnemosyne with grsec enabled always? (desktop,embedded and servers)
19:12 < rxr> my ibook fan is again going crazzy - damn thing
19:12 < mnemoc> rxr: i want to get that marked using targets inherenced from mnemosyne
19:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: no! I think it makes not big sense for desktop
19:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: but for servers ... let's use it as an option first
19:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll commit it
19:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: and gradm builds against dietlibc too
19:14 < morfoh> ;)
19:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: so no prob for using it on embedded
19:15 < morfoh> rxr: I guess sth. similar like m0n0 wall shouldn't be problematic with t2 :)
19:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: mnemosyne-desktop != desktop ... but ok
19:16 < rxr> nope - we only need to have it - polished and ready and such
19:16 < mnemoc> we need to release t2-powered distributions soon (with their own versioning)
19:18 < mnemoc> an http://powered.t2-project.org/$target forge could be nice
19:21 < rxr> why not $target.t2-project.org ?
19:21 < rxr> or anyway cool - hip - PR names with www.$target.com or whatsoever
19:21 * rxr soon off
19:23 < mnemoc> rxr: $target.t2-powered.com :D
19:26 < rxr> http://www.siox.org/videos/siox-in-gimp.mpg
19:28 < mnemoc> :)
19:28 < _Ragnar_> hmmm how do I install grub on a disk image I have as a file on HD?
19:30 < rxr> cat stage1 stage2 > /dev/fdX
19:30 < rxr> ah - disk - not as in floppy disk?
19:30 * rxr out of office - cu tomorrow ,-)
19:30 < mnemoc> cu rxr :)
19:30 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: keinek wrote a mini howto some weeks ago
19:31 < _Ragnar_> no floppy
19:31 < _Ragnar_> cf card image ;)
19:31 < mnemoc> loop device?
19:32 < _Ragnar_> yea
19:32 < _Ragnar_> well I got the filesys on it already
19:32 < CIA-3> rene * r10938 /trunk/package/multimedia/blender/blender.desc: * updated blender (2.37 -> 2.37a)
19:32 < _Ragnar_> and part. table
19:34 < _Ragnar_> I do:
19:34 < _Ragnar_> (in grub)
19:34 < _Ragnar_> grub> device (hd0) /home/defk0n/image
19:34 < _Ragnar_> grub> root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83
19:34 < _Ragnar_> grub> setup (hd0) Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes Checking if "/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5" exists... yes Running "embed /boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5 (hd0)"... 19 sectors are embedded.
19:34 < _Ragnar_> succeeded Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+19 p (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... failed
19:34 < _Ragnar_> Error 22: No such partition
19:46 < _Ragnar_> any idea? O_O
19:46 < mnemoc> i use lilo :)
19:47 < _Ragnar_> I doubt that works much better :)
19:47 < mnemoc> :)
19:47 < mnemoc> lilo is not smart, that is very useful in some cases
19:48 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:48 < _Ragnar_> I don't get how it can tell me (hd0,0) is reiserfs, but then says it can't find it next step
19:52 < _Ragnar_> duh *bangs head on table)
19:52 < _Ragnar_> ok forget it, i had an old grub version on that server
19:54 < mnemoc> :)
20:12 < CIA-3> amery * r10939 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl:
20:12 < CIA-3> * fixed typo on mnemosyne.pl #!
20:12 < CIA-3> * implemented mnemosyne.pl's tgt_mnemosyne_parser
20:12 < CIA-3> * implementation of switches on mnemosyne.pl's tgt_mnemosyne_render_option started
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20:30 < minto> moin moin
20:31 < _Ragnar_> moin:)
20:31 < mnemoc> moin noiseless
20:32 < minto> yepp, I don't make a sound :D Just typing.
20:34 < mnemoc> i have been hit for typing on bed :)
20:35 < minto> hehe. How long have you been married?
20:35 < mnemoc> 5 years :)
20:35 < minto> Then you should now bed is for something else ;-)
20:35 < mnemoc> yep
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20:37 < minto> mnemoc: When building an updated courier-authlib I get
20:37 < minto> gcc: /usr/lib/libshadow.so: No such file or directory
20:37 < minto> Which is correct since libshadaw is in /lib. How can I correct this?
20:38 < minto> Should I use GCC_WRAPPER and and /lib (pkgprefix libdir shadow)?
20:39 < mnemoc> i guess path is hardcoded on Makefile
20:42 < minto> Makefile has: SHADOWLIBS = -lshadow
20:43 < minto> hmm, for postgresl it has: PGSQL_LIBS = -L/opt/postgresql/lib -lpq
20:44 < minto> seems like -L is forgotten in case of shadow.
20:44 < mnemoc> but ld shall find libshadow.so at /lib if -lshadow
20:44 < mnemoc> /lib is a normal location
20:44 < sepp_> minto: have you updated tcl/tk local and only commited the tk update?
20:45 < minto> sepp_: No only tk got updated
20:45 < sepp_> uhm that failed here
20:45 < sepp_> hmm
20:46 < minto> Hmm, I will try building it again
20:50 < minto> mnemoc: Well apparently not in my case. Just checked and the libshodow.so is definitely available in /lib
20:51 < mnemoc> minto: -L/lib looks like a hack to solve a deeper problem
20:51 < minto> hmm, /usr/lib only contains static libshadow.a and la
20:52 < minto> mnemoc: How should I solve it then?
20:52 < minto> Or is there someway to check what will be taken default by ld?
20:53 < mnemoc> minto: i think so
20:53 * minto does man ld
20:54 < morfoh> moin oranje men
20:54 < minto> hi rat man :)
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20:55 < morfoh> haha ... minto
20:55 < minto> How you bunny doing?
20:55 < morfoh> minto: I'll be in netherlands tomorrow
20:55 < morfoh> bunny is quite good
20:55 < minto> Ohh, where?
20:55 < morfoh> I'll pass venlo I think to go to brussels
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20:56 < minto> Hmm :( that's way off coarse
20:57 < morfoh> if I would go alone I'd come to amsterdam, but we're 5
20:57 < minto> What's in Brussels (besides beer)
20:57 < morfoh> I was invited to a marriage there
20:58 < minto> Oehhh, free food and drinks :D
20:58 < morfoh> after the weekend we'll go to paris
20:58 < morfoh> :D
20:58 < minto> That's even more off coarse
20:58 < morfoh> yep
20:58 < mnemoc> oh, my uncle won his first match on Champions League
20:58 < morfoh> what app can I use for getting pictures from a digicam
20:58 < minto> Yippee, mnemoc is buying
20:59 < minto> :D
20:59 < mnemoc> uhm?
21:00 < morfoh> there is a kde package digikam
21:00 < morfoh> but I think I had problems using it with my cam last time I tried
21:01 < minto> sepp or sepp_:
21:01 < minto> == 20:46:41 =[5]=> Building x11/tk [8.4.10 2.2.0-alpha].
21:01 < minto> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
21:01 < minto> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
21:01 < minto> -> Preparing build in src.tk.trunkref.20050810.204634.9085.devserver
21:01 < minto> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/5-tk.out
21:01 < minto> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-tk.out -> 5-tk.log
21:01 < minto> == 08/10/05 20:53:22 =[5]=> Finished building package tk.
21:02 < sepp> minto: :) good, forget my silly question
21:03 < minto> sepp: How did you build? Maybe something has changed with dependancies?
21:03 < sepp> moment please
21:04 < mnemoc> minto: http://www.villarrealcf.es/pantallas/archivo.php?SEC=1&NOT=1883# :)
21:05 < mnemoc> minto: the coach is brother of my mother
21:05 < minto> mnemoc: Sorry I can't read chinese :)
21:05 < mnemoc> minto: it's in english for me...
21:06 < minto> hmm, it is spanish for me
21:07 < sepp> minto: it failed because i had no tcl 8.4.9 tarball on my notebook, sorry my fault
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21:08 < sepp> Emerge -system tried to update tk but not tcl ...
21:08 < sepp> or download tcl
21:08 < minto> hmmm, strange
21:09 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg's brain considered harmful
21:09 < sepp> :)
21:09 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:10 < mnemoc> i don't have the courage to run it without -deps=none
21:11 < sepp> Emerge-Pkg -system from a old 2.1 pre rc1 caused quite some trouble :(
21:12 < mnemoc> yep
21:12 < minto> Seems like sepp is very brave ( he has lots of courage)
21:12 < mnemoc> lots^lots
21:14 < _Ragnar_> it hasn't broken anything for me on my laptop update
21:14 < minto> Oehh, _Ragnar_ is brave too
21:15 < minto> Anyone know what package contains mxDateTime.h
21:15 < _Ragnar_> was somewhat of a hassle to weed out which of the dependencies that were not installed already the package really really needed;)
21:16 < morfoh> uhm ? digikam doesn't seem to install binaries ?
21:16 < morfoh> just docs and useless crap
21:17 < CIA-3> sebastian * r10940 /trunk/package/network/tor/tor.cache: * updated the cache file, libevent was missing
21:20 < minto> Would it be possible to have flists of a reference build accessible over the net? Like this it is easy to find packages corresponding to files.
21:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: add the issue
21:22 < minto> :D
21:25 < minto> Can someone find out for me which package contains mxDateTime.h
21:25 < minto> My reference build (as far as it went) does not contain it yet :(
21:25 < mnemoc> python-mx
21:25 < mnemoc> or something like that :)
21:25 < minto> :) thanks
21:25 < mnemoc> ]# echo t2-trunk/package/python/*mx*
21:25 < mnemoc> t2-trunk/package/python/py-mx
21:26 < _Ragnar_> py-mx
21:26 < _Ragnar_> yea
21:26 < _Ragnar_> :D too slow
21:26 < mnemoc> *g*
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21:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ...
21:38 < minto> Uhhhm?
21:38 < minto> ERROR: No configuration 'trunkref' found!
21:38 < mnemoc> ^C ?
21:39 < minto> No need it stops right after this.
21:39 < mnemoc> before that
21:39 < mnemoc> during the previews run of Build-Target (when Config was run) or of Config itself
21:40 < mnemoc> if you are lucky you have a copy at src/$trunkref/
21:40 < minto> During Build-Target
21:40 < minto> Hmm, maybe this caused it
21:40 < minto> == 21:24:59 =[5]=> Building python/py-mx [2.0.6 2.2.0-alpha].
21:40 < minto> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
21:40 < minto> -> Preparing build in src.py-mx.trunkref.20050810.212457.1808.devserver
21:40 < minto> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/5-py-mx.out
21:40 < minto> ./scripts/functions: line 101: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory
21:40 < minto> ./scripts/functions: line 102: 5986 Done eval "echo \"\${hookidx_$1[*]}\""
21:40 < minto> 5987 Broken pipe | sort
21:40 < minto> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-py-mx.out -> 5-py-mx.log
21:40 < minto> == 08/10/05 21:25:47 =[5]=> Finished building package py-mx.
21:41 < _Ragnar_> link from /dev/fd to /proc/fd
21:41 < mnemoc> /proc/self/fd :)
21:42 < _Ragnar_> sorry ;)
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21:42 * mnemoc wonders how bsd people lives without /proc
21:49 < minto> :( time's up, but still my trunkref is gone :(
21:49 < minto> But I have no more time today. See you all, sleep well
21:49 < mnemoc> :(
21:49 < mnemoc> cu minto
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22:01 < veki> mnemoc: I started again to build desktop target with 2G of swap. I hope that this time there will no be cc1plus internal error due to lack of swap space
22:01 < mnemoc> :)
22:02 < _Ragnar_> O_O ouch :)
22:02 < veki> ah, yes, it is strange that even building of mysqql says that there is lack of swap space of 320megs on my hd
22:04 < _Ragnar_> Mem: 527552512 432414720 95137792 0 13107200 280981504
22:04 < _Ragnar_> Swap: 1077501952 232542208 844959744
22:04 < _Ragnar_> no complaints
22:05 < mnemoc> 512+1024 is normal these days
22:05 < veki> mnemoc: OK, but as, you know kde packages suck during build process
22:05 < mnemoc> kde packages suck always :)
22:06 < veki> ah, yes, I call them kde suckages :)
22:06 < _Ragnar_> *g*
22:06 < _Ragnar_> ls -l package/gnome* | wc -l > 200 .... that's suckage ;p
22:06 < veki> :)
22:07 < mnemoc> count the time to build gnome*/ against kde*/ and the used resources
22:07 < veki> what is your experience is there any ratio measured
22:07 < mnemoc> buildtime is on .cache files
22:07 < veki> ok
22:08 < veki> I am sure that kde top on the list of greatest sucks
22:08 < _Ragnar_> :D
22:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: using T2, the amount of gnome packages is not a problem, the consumed resources is a big problem :)
22:10 < _Ragnar_> well the amount of time I recently had to spend to getting stuff on x86_64 to run was very much in favor of kde against gnome
22:10 < veki> there is newspaper here which rates the most stupid declarations of politicans and it is called Greatest (S)Hits and they give awrad (S)hit of the week
22:12 < veki> I us eon my laptop Gnome more than KDE since kde is memory eater, but gnome still does have some serious issues
22:12 < mnemoc> veki: xfce :)
22:13 < veki> to be honmest, I like the most wmaker. I still miss olg ugly reddish GUI
22:14 < veki> I still miss netscape 3.0 that is greenish wwith ugly reddish twm
22:14 < veki> :)
22:14 < veki> mnemoc: xfce is nice, I like it too
22:16 < veki> in 1995 I started with slackware. I miss it
22:20 < _Ragnar_> but lua package seems to but build liblualib
22:20 < _Ragnar_> btw8
22:20 < _Ragnar_> uhm ;) lemme rephrase that
22:20 < _Ragnar_> btw: lua package seems to not build liblualib
22:21 < mnemoc> :(
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22:21 < sepp> re hi
22:21 < veki> hi
22:22 < sepp> there was a discussion about a multi directional rsync like thing some time ago, anyone remembers?
22:23 < mnemoc> unison?
22:23 < sepp> ahh yes i think that was the name :)
22:24 < mnemoc> :)
22:27 < CIA-3> amery * r10941 /trunk/package/filesystem/unison/unison.desc: * updated unison (2.10.2 -> 2.12.0)
22:27 < sepp> :D
22:28 < mnemoc> :)
22:41 < veki> I am building desktop target rc2. So far it goes well.
22:51 < CIA-3> sebastian * r10942 /trunk/package/network/kismet/kismet.desc: * updated kismet (2005-06-R1 -> 2005-07-R1a)
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23:19 < veki> I have to go to sleep guys. cu tomorrow
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23:27 < sepp> good night *
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23:30 < keinek> hi
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