T2 IRC Log: 2005-08-07
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--- Log opened Sun Aug 07 00:00:00 2005
00:05 < mnemoc> pool: lprng vs. cups. comments?
00:06 < jsaw> pool?
00:07 < mnemoc> s/pool/question/
00:07 < mnemoc> i'm very² tired, so my english level is downgraded
00:08 < rxr> jsaw: I have not checked mails today - because I sorted my desk, got a "einschreiben" from some post center filale and brought a mac mini ...
00:09 < rxr> jsaw: I'm in med in a few secs - I'll read tomorrow - err today after sleep ,-)
00:10 < rxr> cu then
00:11 < mnemoc> cu rxr
00:11 < jsaw> cu rxr
00:12 < valentin> my daughter keeps terrorizing me... she does not want to sleep and she does not want to stay awake either...
00:13 < mnemoc> valentin: get used to it
00:14 < valentin> hardly...
00:17 < jsaw> valentin: hehe *evil grin*
00:17 < mnemoc> after that 'stage' you will pass to 'fall slept stage'
00:17 < mnemoc> where they fall slept, and you have to carry them slept.
00:18 < mnemoc> from 3 to... 7?
00:19 < jsaw> .oO(I remember well how often I did that game, carrying Marlene around until she sleeps, yes between midnight to morning.., and when I put here into bed she wakes up again... remembers me of some kind of spinlock)
00:20 < jsaw> .oO(thank god, Charlotte is different. She only wakes up if she's hungry, then sleeps again easily)
00:20 < mnemoc> :)
00:21 < valentin> janna keeps bugging me since about 19:00 now
00:22 < valentin> she cannot decide wether to drink or sleep or just suck my fingers...
00:22 < valentin> same for body position
00:23 < valentin> each time i found a position where she's comfortable she starts crying ten minutes after
00:23 < mnemoc> rafaella likes to sleep twisted :\
00:23 < mnemoc> and usually over people's head
00:24 < valentin> hehe
00:25 < valentin> janna likes to sleep in my arms, but only if i keep carring her around and take a position that feels quite unhealthy for me
00:25 < mnemoc> "comfortable" is not one of her words for the moment
00:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe
00:26 < mnemoc> rafaella let me stay not moving, but i can't sit.
00:32 < jsaw> I always sat on a big (about one meter diameter) gymnastic ball, hopping around...
00:32 < mnemoc> o_O
00:34 < mnemoc> i'm too old for that :\
00:36 < jsaw> well, sitting on it with a _slight_ up-and-down movement...
00:37 < mnemoc> :)
01:01 < jsaw> I'll try to find my bed now...
01:01 < jsaw> cu all
01:01 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
01:03 < valentin> gn8 jsaw
01:10 < shingo--> why there's so many broken download?
01:12 < mnemoc> shingo--: what kind of brokenness? what tree?
01:15 < shingo--> I'm now in trunk. 404 :)
01:16 < mnemoc> mirror _and_ original location?
01:16 < mnemoc> outdated mirror i guess
01:16 < mnemoc> i only have Linux-HOWTOs-20050724.tar.bz2 missing
01:17 < mnemoc> which i should update.... yes, i'll do it
01:26 < CIA-9> amery * r10873 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20050724 -> 20050806)
01:28 < shingo--> I don't understand too, but I will see.
01:28 < mnemoc> shingo--: can you pastebin a large portion of the Download errors?
01:29 < shingo--> I have lost the window. for now it's working.
01:50 < valentin> gn8 - i try to get some sleep before my little girl wakes up again
01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
02:17 < keinek> hi
02:30 < shingo--> how handle no detected dependencies?
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05:33 < Shingo--> mnemoc, How do I to handle package witch not detects dependencies?
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09:12 < rxr> re
09:13 < rxr> so - after some trial and error the mac mini DVI output has a valid signal - puh
09:20 < rxr> cpu : 7447A, altivec supported
09:20 < rxr> clock : 1416MHz
09:20 < rxr> memory : 512MB
09:20 < rxr> L2 cache : 512K unified
09:20 < rxr> detected as : 287 (Mac mini)
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09:35 < minto> good morning
09:42 < rxr> moin minto
09:42 < minto> hi rxr
09:42 < minto> Do you wanne use noisy to create an AMD64 livecd?
09:46 < rxr> yeah - that is an idea -)
09:46 < rxr> ,-) even
09:46 * rxr to the bakery getting fresh rolls for the breakfast
10:27 < rxr> re
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10:46 < CIA-9> rene * r10874 /trunk/target/livecd/default.pkgmap: * removed obsolete livecd/default.pkgmap
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11:09 < CIA-9> rene * r10875 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: * added nice folding to the mkinitrd
11:11 < CIA-9> rene * r10876 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit:
11:11 < CIA-9> * way smarter code to retrieve the root device in the initrd from the
11:11 < CIA-9> kernel cmdline
11:13 < CIA-9> rene * r10877 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init:
11:13 < CIA-9> * do not try to mount /dev, if it is devfs it must be auto-mounted on boot
11:13 < CIA-9> * no broken rootfs substitution - copy the whole /proc/mounts into /etc/mtab
11:13 < CIA-9> on boot
11:13 < CIA-9> * check hotplug++ execution
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11:47 < valentin> moin
11:51 < rxr> moin valentin
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11:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
11:59 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Aug 5 06:14:40 2005]
11:59 [Users #t2]
11:59 [@vilkacis ] [ dsoul ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Shingo--]
11:59 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
11:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ sepp]
11:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
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12:02 < CIA-9> rene * r10878 /trunk/package/kde/konversation/ (. konversation.cache konversation.conf konversation.desc):
12:02 < CIA-9> Nagy Karoly Gabriel:
12:02 < CIA-9> * added konversation (0.18)
12:04 < rxr_> rehi
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12:24 < rxr> valentin: have you read that I have a mac mini on my desk, now ?
12:24 < rxr> in my subnet it is the host "mini" ... if you need a 1.42 Ghz PPC G4 ...
12:24 < rxr> occationally it might run osx though ... the usual driver crap ...
12:33 < valentin> rxr: cool
12:39 < rxr> had to trial around a bit to get the X.org radeon driver to feed my LCD via the DVI connection ...
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12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10879 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.init: * rewrote spamassassin.init to not kill itself on stop or restart ...
12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10880 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.0.3 -> 3.0.4)
13:35 < rxr> damned perl DB_File:
13:35 < rxr> #0 0x402566e2 in __os_openhandle () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> (gdb) bt
13:35 < rxr> #0 0x402566e2 in __os_openhandle () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #1 0x40256fb0 in __os_open () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #2 0x40239da2 in __db_appname () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #3 0x4023526c in __db_verify_internal () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #4 0x40236cd7 in __db_verify () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #5 0x401f7abd in XS_DB_File_DoTie_ () from /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i586-t2-linux-gnu/auto/DB_File/DB_File.so
13:36 < rxr> doesn't seem to like bdb 4.3 ...
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14:33 < CIA-9> rene * r10881 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/unionfs.desc:
14:33 < CIA-9> * updated unionfs (1.0.12a -> 1.0.13) - (fixes (among others) gcc ICE
14:33 < CIA-9> on PowerPC)
15:28 < rxr> grummel - accidently removed crontabs again - damn -r option
15:31 < rxr> ^- ...
15:31 < CIA-9> rene * r10882 /trunk/package/base/cron/hardened-remove.patch:
15:31 < CIA-9> * patched cron to never ever remove my crontab mistyping -e ... - -r
15:31 < CIA-9> needs to be specified twice now
15:31 < rxr> so - cu
15:34 < shingo--> which T2 user use distcc?
17:49 < rxr> re
17:49 < rxr> shingo--: ?
17:52 < mnemoc_> shingo--: to use distcc you need T2 on the peers
17:52 < rxr> moin mnemoc_
17:52 < mnemoc_> moin rxr
17:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: I guess I should rework my last commit to not use non-standard -rr or -r -r ... - but to ask like:
17:53 < rxr> if (
17:53 < rxr> isatty(stdin)
17:53 < rxr> )
17:53 < rxr> printf ("Really remove user crontab(y/n)?\n");M
17:53 < rxr> ...
17:53 < rxr> ?
17:54 < mnemoc_> sounds ok
17:54 < rxr> but my -rr -r -r is a bit too non-standard, isn't it ?
17:54 < mnemoc_> ack
17:54 < rxr> it is just that I managed to wipe my server crontab the 2nd time this year ...
17:54 < mnemoc_> i should prepare bcron and commit it
17:54 < rxr> and had to reconstruct from /proc/kcore ...
17:55 < rxr> if it would be me we could rip this damn -r option away completely ...
17:55 < mnemoc_> who desided to use e and r on crontab was a morron
17:55 < rxr> ACK!
17:55 < rxr> and wipe without warning - yuck ...
17:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: s.th. is borked in some combinatoin and perl's DB_File at least in trunk
17:59 < rxr> Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i586-t2-linux-gnu/DB_File.pm line 271.
18:00 < mnemoc_> o_O
18:00 < rxr> hm - interesting despite this warning it works on the good old gsmp server I re-tested this on right now
18:00 < rxr> on all my other T2:HEAD boxes it segfaults later on quite quickly ...
18:01 < mnemoc_> spamassassin?
18:01 < rxr> the bad is that spamassassin needs it ...
18:01 < rxr> yep but at runtime
18:01 < mnemoc_> :(
18:01 < rxr> builds all fine and that is in perl's DB_File.pm ...
18:02 < mnemoc_> there is a newer DB_File on cpan?
18:02 < rxr> it doesn't seem to be DB_File as it
18:02 < rxr> I tested the old perl that works on my exactcode.de server and that fails on my T2 HEAD boxes, too
18:03 < rxr> and the same new perl on the gsmp box with a 1.7 ROCK based system runs as well (despite the warning above)
18:03 < rxr> so I fear it has to do with the system db-3.3 or some other library liinked in
18:04 < rxr> I remember we once already had some issue with some system library referencing some bdb-4.x ...
18:04 < rxr> well - I 'll find out some time soon
18:04 < rxr> (at least I hope)
18:04 < mnemoc_> :(
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18:25 < CIA-9> rene * r10883 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.init:
18:25 < CIA-9> * fixed spamassassin.init (spamd) restart/stop by using a pidfile -
18:25 < CIA-9> finally
18:32 < shingo--> :), my question is about, which T2 user is using distcc? I know, how distcc works. but I think, no one use distcc support in T2. am I clrear now?
18:34 < rxr> I use it from time to time
18:34 < mnemoc> shingo--: jsaw does
18:38 < shingo--> I'm testing distcc, for several times build don't works, but if I turn off suport for distcc goes on.
18:39 < shingo--> but I think it's a problem from my hosts running distccd, I'm investigating.
18:43 < mnemoc> you need T2's gcc on thouse machines, and for the arch you are building for
18:47 < shingo--> I'm not expert in that, but why T2's gcc? not Gentoo's gcc?
18:49 < rxr> the exact same gcc - t2 gcc includes fixes and such - you need the same - period.
18:49 < rxr> also some other gcc's are patched to death
18:54 < shingo--> ok. But, am I tring todo a hard thing?
18:59 < mnemoc> distcc asks the peers to execute the same compiler which we use, ie. i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc
18:59 < mnemoc> if you don't have that compiler distccd will fail due to file not found, simple
19:00 < shingo--> ok.
19:00 < shingo--> :)
19:02 < rxr> Xcode Tools 2.1
19:02 < rxr> File Size: 751.8 MB File Format: Disk Image
19:02 < rxr> what was the size of a full blown T2 Live CD ?
19:02 < rxr> right 6xx MB - nice to see Apple only fits one IDE with compiler into that size ...
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19:14 < Veki> mnemoc: hi
19:14 < mnemoc> hi Veki
19:14 < Veki> I am building mnemosyne target. I found that it is experimntal, but so far it goes well
19:15 < mnemoc> i use it, but it not really ready for 'untrained' people
19:16 < Veki> hm, I will use it for my server, that is the best way to learn it. Hiowever, it may be tricky...
19:16 < mnemoc> yep
19:16 < Veki> I suppose, I can ask for help if needed
19:17 < mnemoc> sure
19:17 < Veki> :)
19:18 < Veki> the most important is that the build process goes well
19:20 < mnemoc> i have to rewrite mnemosyne.in to use perl instead of bash, currently is too slow. and i need to add lots of other plugins so it would get even slower
19:24 < Veki> uhm, but I needed to manage network of 4 computers only. It is oK I think
19:24 < mnemoc> mnemosyne.in is only used by scripts/Config
19:32 < Veki> ok, fine
19:32 < mnemoc> bbl
19:46 < Veki> I have to go now, cu later
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19:49 < CIA-9> rene * r10884 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/ (kaffeine.cache kaffeine.desc): * updated kaffeine (0.6 -> 0.7)
20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: I think I have to slap you
20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: it seems your bdb tinkering caused the perl DB_File regression ...
20:01 < rxr> more details some time later tonight
20:03 < rxr> hm - or maybe not
20:03 < rxr> strange
20:03 < rxr> at least it is due to including the usr/include/db.h (package bdb - thus 4.x) and linking against the bdb33 - as needed for binary compat
20:04 < rxr> I harded the perl package to use the right compat header always - later - evening dinner first
21:07 < CIA-9> rene * r10885 /trunk/package/perl/perl/install.patch.cross: * perl copyright patch
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21:16 < morfoh> hi all
21:28 < CIA-9> rene * r10886 /trunk/package/perl/perl/use_db3.diff: * updated perl/use_db3.diff to actually be effective, again
21:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I think the r10886 should be in 2.1 as well
21:28 < rxr> took me the whole day to track down
21:28 < rxr> cu all
21:28 < morfoh> cu rxr
22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop-athlon-mp
22:39 < morfoh> Error logs from desktop-athlon-mp-2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-mp-desktop:
22:39 < morfoh> 677 builds total, 677 completed fine, 0 with errors.
22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg boot-athlon-mp
22:39 < morfoh> Error logs from boot-athlon-mp-2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-mp-bootdisk:
22:39 < morfoh> 164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've send you the athlon-mp torrent ;)
23:28 < morfoh> good night all
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--- Log closed Mon Aug 08 00:00:00 2005
00:05 < mnemoc> pool: lprng vs. cups. comments?
00:06 < jsaw> pool?
00:07 < mnemoc> s/pool/question/
00:07 < mnemoc> i'm very² tired, so my english level is downgraded
00:08 < rxr> jsaw: I have not checked mails today - because I sorted my desk, got a "einschreiben" from some post center filale and brought a mac mini ...
00:09 < rxr> jsaw: I'm in med in a few secs - I'll read tomorrow - err today after sleep ,-)
00:10 < rxr> cu then
00:11 < mnemoc> cu rxr
00:11 < jsaw> cu rxr
00:12 < valentin> my daughter keeps terrorizing me... she does not want to sleep and she does not want to stay awake either...
00:13 < mnemoc> valentin: get used to it
00:14 < valentin> hardly...
00:17 < jsaw> valentin: hehe *evil grin*
00:17 < mnemoc> after that 'stage' you will pass to 'fall slept stage'
00:17 < mnemoc> where they fall slept, and you have to carry them slept.
00:18 < mnemoc> from 3 to... 7?
00:19 < jsaw> .oO(I remember well how often I did that game, carrying Marlene around until she sleeps, yes between midnight to morning.., and when I put here into bed she wakes up again... remembers me of some kind of spinlock)
00:20 < jsaw> .oO(thank god, Charlotte is different. She only wakes up if she's hungry, then sleeps again easily)
00:20 < mnemoc> :)
00:21 < valentin> janna keeps bugging me since about 19:00 now
00:22 < valentin> she cannot decide wether to drink or sleep or just suck my fingers...
00:22 < valentin> same for body position
00:23 < valentin> each time i found a position where she's comfortable she starts crying ten minutes after
00:23 < mnemoc> rafaella likes to sleep twisted :\
00:23 < mnemoc> and usually over people's head
00:24 < valentin> hehe
00:25 < valentin> janna likes to sleep in my arms, but only if i keep carring her around and take a position that feels quite unhealthy for me
00:25 < mnemoc> "comfortable" is not one of her words for the moment
00:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe
00:26 < mnemoc> rafaella let me stay not moving, but i can't sit.
00:32 < jsaw> I always sat on a big (about one meter diameter) gymnastic ball, hopping around...
00:32 < mnemoc> o_O
00:34 < mnemoc> i'm too old for that :\
00:36 < jsaw> well, sitting on it with a _slight_ up-and-down movement...
00:37 < mnemoc> :)
01:01 < jsaw> I'll try to find my bed now...
01:01 < jsaw> cu all
01:01 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
01:03 < valentin> gn8 jsaw
01:10 < shingo--> why there's so many broken download?
01:12 < mnemoc> shingo--: what kind of brokenness? what tree?
01:15 < shingo--> I'm now in trunk. 404 :)
01:16 < mnemoc> mirror _and_ original location?
01:16 < mnemoc> outdated mirror i guess
01:16 < mnemoc> i only have Linux-HOWTOs-20050724.tar.bz2 missing
01:17 < mnemoc> which i should update.... yes, i'll do it
01:26 < CIA-9> amery * r10873 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20050724 -> 20050806)
01:28 < shingo--> I don't understand too, but I will see.
01:28 < mnemoc> shingo--: can you pastebin a large portion of the Download errors?
01:29 < shingo--> I have lost the window. for now it's working.
01:50 < valentin> gn8 - i try to get some sleep before my little girl wakes up again
01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
02:17 < keinek> hi
02:30 < shingo--> how handle no detected dependencies?
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05:33 < Shingo--> mnemoc, How do I to handle package witch not detects dependencies?
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09:12 < rxr> re
09:13 < rxr> so - after some trial and error the mac mini DVI output has a valid signal - puh
09:20 < rxr> cpu : 7447A, altivec supported
09:20 < rxr> clock : 1416MHz
09:20 < rxr> memory : 512MB
09:20 < rxr> L2 cache : 512K unified
09:20 < rxr> detected as : 287 (Mac mini)
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09:35 < minto> good morning
09:42 < rxr> moin minto
09:42 < minto> hi rxr
09:42 < minto> Do you wanne use noisy to create an AMD64 livecd?
09:46 < rxr> yeah - that is an idea -)
09:46 < rxr> ,-) even
09:46 * rxr to the bakery getting fresh rolls for the breakfast
10:27 < rxr> re
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10:46 < CIA-9> rene * r10874 /trunk/target/livecd/default.pkgmap: * removed obsolete livecd/default.pkgmap
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11:09 < CIA-9> rene * r10875 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: * added nice folding to the mkinitrd
11:11 < CIA-9> rene * r10876 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit:
11:11 < CIA-9> * way smarter code to retrieve the root device in the initrd from the
11:11 < CIA-9> kernel cmdline
11:13 < CIA-9> rene * r10877 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init:
11:13 < CIA-9> * do not try to mount /dev, if it is devfs it must be auto-mounted on boot
11:13 < CIA-9> * no broken rootfs substitution - copy the whole /proc/mounts into /etc/mtab
11:13 < CIA-9> on boot
11:13 < CIA-9> * check hotplug++ execution
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11:47 < valentin> moin
11:51 < rxr> moin valentin
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11:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
11:59 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Aug 5 06:14:40 2005]
11:59 [Users #t2]
11:59 [@vilkacis ] [ dsoul ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Shingo--]
11:59 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
11:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ sepp]
11:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
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12:02 < CIA-9> rene * r10878 /trunk/package/kde/konversation/ (. konversation.cache konversation.conf konversation.desc):
12:02 < CIA-9> Nagy Karoly Gabriel
12:02 < CIA-9> * added konversation (0.18)
12:04 < rxr_> rehi
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12:24 < rxr> valentin: have you read that I have a mac mini on my desk, now ?
12:24 < rxr> in my subnet it is the host "mini" ... if you need a 1.42 Ghz PPC G4 ...
12:24 < rxr> occationally it might run osx though ... the usual driver crap ...
12:33 < valentin> rxr: cool
12:39 < rxr> had to trial around a bit to get the X.org radeon driver to feed my LCD via the DVI connection ...
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12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10879 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.init: * rewrote spamassassin.init to not kill itself on stop or restart ...
12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10880 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.0.3 -> 3.0.4)
13:35 < rxr> damned perl DB_File:
13:35 < rxr> #0 0x402566e2 in __os_openhandle () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> (gdb) bt
13:35 < rxr> #0 0x402566e2 in __os_openhandle () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #1 0x40256fb0 in __os_open () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #2 0x40239da2 in __db_appname () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #3 0x4023526c in __db_verify_internal () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #4 0x40236cd7 in __db_verify () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so
13:35 < rxr> #5 0x401f7abd in XS_DB_File_DoTie_ () from /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i586-t2-linux-gnu/auto/DB_File/DB_File.so
13:36 < rxr> doesn't seem to like bdb 4.3 ...
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14:33 < CIA-9> rene * r10881 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/unionfs.desc:
14:33 < CIA-9> * updated unionfs (1.0.12a -> 1.0.13) - (fixes (among others) gcc ICE
14:33 < CIA-9> on PowerPC)
15:28 < rxr> grummel - accidently removed crontabs again - damn -r option
15:31 < rxr> ^- ...
15:31 < CIA-9> rene * r10882 /trunk/package/base/cron/hardened-remove.patch:
15:31 < CIA-9> * patched cron to never ever remove my crontab mistyping -e ... - -r
15:31 < CIA-9> needs to be specified twice now
15:31 < rxr> so - cu
15:34 < shingo--> which T2 user use distcc?
17:49 < rxr> re
17:49 < rxr> shingo--: ?
17:52 < mnemoc_> shingo--: to use distcc you need T2 on the peers
17:52 < rxr> moin mnemoc_
17:52 < mnemoc_> moin rxr
17:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: I guess I should rework my last commit to not use non-standard -rr or -r -r ... - but to ask like:
17:53 < rxr> if (
17:53 < rxr> isatty(stdin)
17:53 < rxr> )
17:53 < rxr> printf ("Really remove user crontab(y/n)?\n");M
17:53 < rxr> ...
17:53 < rxr> ?
17:54 < mnemoc_> sounds ok
17:54 < rxr> but my -rr -r -r is a bit too non-standard, isn't it ?
17:54 < mnemoc_> ack
17:54 < rxr> it is just that I managed to wipe my server crontab the 2nd time this year ...
17:54 < mnemoc_> i should prepare bcron and commit it
17:54 < rxr> and had to reconstruct from /proc/kcore ...
17:55 < rxr> if it would be me we could rip this damn -r option away completely ...
17:55 < mnemoc_> who desided to use e and r on crontab was a morron
17:55 < rxr> ACK!
17:55 < rxr> and wipe without warning - yuck ...
17:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: s.th. is borked in some combinatoin and perl's DB_File at least in trunk
17:59 < rxr> Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i586-t2-linux-gnu/DB_File.pm line 271.
18:00 < mnemoc_> o_O
18:00 < rxr> hm - interesting despite this warning it works on the good old gsmp server I re-tested this on right now
18:00 < rxr> on all my other T2:HEAD boxes it segfaults later on quite quickly ...
18:01 < mnemoc_> spamassassin?
18:01 < rxr> the bad is that spamassassin needs it ...
18:01 < rxr> yep but at runtime
18:01 < mnemoc_> :(
18:01 < rxr> builds all fine and that is in perl's DB_File.pm ...
18:02 < mnemoc_> there is a newer DB_File on cpan?
18:02 < rxr> it doesn't seem to be DB_File as it
18:02 < rxr> I tested the old perl that works on my exactcode.de server and that fails on my T2 HEAD boxes, too
18:03 < rxr> and the same new perl on the gsmp box with a 1.7 ROCK based system runs as well (despite the warning above)
18:03 < rxr> so I fear it has to do with the system db-3.3 or some other library liinked in
18:04 < rxr> I remember we once already had some issue with some system library referencing some bdb-4.x ...
18:04 < rxr> well - I 'll find out some time soon
18:04 < rxr> (at least I hope)
18:04 < mnemoc_> :(
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18:25 < CIA-9> rene * r10883 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.init:
18:25 < CIA-9> * fixed spamassassin.init (spamd) restart/stop by using a pidfile -
18:25 < CIA-9> finally
18:32 < shingo--> :), my question is about, which T2 user is using distcc? I know, how distcc works. but I think, no one use distcc support in T2. am I clrear now?
18:34 < rxr> I use it from time to time
18:34 < mnemoc> shingo--: jsaw does
18:38 < shingo--> I'm testing distcc, for several times build don't works, but if I turn off suport for distcc goes on.
18:39 < shingo--> but I think it's a problem from my hosts running distccd, I'm investigating.
18:43 < mnemoc> you need T2's gcc on thouse machines, and for the arch you are building for
18:47 < shingo--> I'm not expert in that, but why T2's gcc? not Gentoo's gcc?
18:49 < rxr> the exact same gcc - t2 gcc includes fixes and such - you need the same - period.
18:49 < rxr> also some other gcc's are patched to death
18:54 < shingo--> ok. But, am I tring todo a hard thing?
18:59 < mnemoc> distcc asks the peers to execute the same compiler which we use, ie. i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc
18:59 < mnemoc> if you don't have that compiler distccd will fail due to file not found, simple
19:00 < shingo--> ok.
19:00 < shingo--> :)
19:02 < rxr> Xcode Tools 2.1
19:02 < rxr> File Size: 751.8 MB File Format: Disk Image
19:02 < rxr> what was the size of a full blown T2 Live CD ?
19:02 < rxr> right 6xx MB - nice to see Apple only fits one IDE with compiler into that size ...
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19:14 < Veki> mnemoc: hi
19:14 < mnemoc> hi Veki
19:14 < Veki> I am building mnemosyne target. I found that it is experimntal, but so far it goes well
19:15 < mnemoc> i use it, but it not really ready for 'untrained' people
19:16 < Veki> hm, I will use it for my server, that is the best way to learn it. Hiowever, it may be tricky...
19:16 < mnemoc> yep
19:16 < Veki> I suppose, I can ask for help if needed
19:17 < mnemoc> sure
19:17 < Veki> :)
19:18 < Veki> the most important is that the build process goes well
19:20 < mnemoc> i have to rewrite mnemosyne.in to use perl instead of bash, currently is too slow. and i need to add lots of other plugins so it would get even slower
19:24 < Veki> uhm, but I needed to manage network of 4 computers only. It is oK I think
19:24 < mnemoc> mnemosyne.in is only used by scripts/Config
19:32 < Veki> ok, fine
19:32 < mnemoc> bbl
19:46 < Veki> I have to go now, cu later
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19:49 < CIA-9> rene * r10884 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/ (kaffeine.cache kaffeine.desc): * updated kaffeine (0.6 -> 0.7)
20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: I think I have to slap you
20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: it seems your bdb tinkering caused the perl DB_File regression ...
20:01 < rxr> more details some time later tonight
20:03 < rxr> hm - or maybe not
20:03 < rxr> strange
20:03 < rxr> at least it is due to including the usr/include/db.h (package bdb - thus 4.x) and linking against the bdb33 - as needed for binary compat
20:04 < rxr> I harded the perl package to use the right compat header always - later - evening dinner first
21:07 < CIA-9> rene * r10885 /trunk/package/perl/perl/install.patch.cross: * perl copyright patch
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21:16 < morfoh> hi all
21:28 < CIA-9> rene * r10886 /trunk/package/perl/perl/use_db3.diff: * updated perl/use_db3.diff to actually be effective, again
21:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I think the r10886 should be in 2.1 as well
21:28 < rxr> took me the whole day to track down
21:28 < rxr> cu all
21:28 < morfoh> cu rxr
22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop-athlon-mp
22:39 < morfoh> Error logs from desktop-athlon-mp-2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-mp-desktop:
22:39 < morfoh> 677 builds total, 677 completed fine, 0 with errors.
22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg boot-athlon-mp
22:39 < morfoh> Error logs from boot-athlon-mp-2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-mp-bootdisk:
22:39 < morfoh> 164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've send you the athlon-mp torrent ;)
23:28 < morfoh> good night all
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