--- Log opened Sat Aug 06 00:00:00 2005
00:43 < sparc-kly_> keinek ahora el deprimido soy yo :(
00:44 < mnemoc> :(
00:56 < keinek> wassup sparc-kly_ ?
00:58 < keinek> mnemoc, ?
00:58 < keinek> what happen with sparc-kly_ ?
01:00 < mnemoc> how could i know?
01:01 < keinek> veamos en privado entonces.
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07:33 < Shingo--> hi, I have puted "- kile" in config/$config/pksel  but, scripts/Emerge wanna to installa kile. what's happens?
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09:08 < minto> hi all
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10:39 < valentin> moin *yawn*
10:44 < rxr> re
10:44 < rxr> moin valentin 
10:45 < rxr> _Ragnar__: could you order a Sharp sub-notebook in the US for me? It is not available in europe ... :-(
10:45 < rxr> hi minto 
10:47 < valentin> moin rxr
10:47 < valentin> and hi minto
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12:08 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
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12:08 [Users #t2]
12:08 [@vilkacis ] [ dsoul ] [ minto  ] [ nzg ] [ sepp_    ] [ valentin] 
12:08 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw  ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ Shingo-- ] 
12:08 [ CIA-9    ] [ keinek] [ mtr_   ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] 
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12:08 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify?  your IRC nick is how people know you.  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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14:17 < rxr_> re
14:18 < minto> hi rxr
14:19 < rxr_> moin minto 
14:19 -!- You're now known as rxr
14:20 < minto> how is it to be back in Berlin
14:22 < rxr> berlin is nice ,-)
14:22 < rxr> how is it over their in amsterdam ?
14:23 < minto> Amsterdam is nice too ;)
14:23 < minto> Right now there is a festival going on
14:23 < minto> Gay Parade. 
14:24 < minto> many halfdressed men on boats in the canals
14:25 < rxr> hehehe
14:25 < minto> Is sort of a carnival
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15:07 < karasz> hi guys
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15:47 < CIA-9> msluis * r10852 /trunk/package/develop/clisp/clisp.desc: * updated clisp (2.33.2 -> 2.34) still fragile
16:06 < CIA-9> msluis * r10853 /trunk/package/zope/groupuserfolder/groupuserfolder.desc: * updated groupuserfolder (3.2 -> 3.3)
16:06 < CIA-9> msluis * r10854 /trunk/package/zope/i18nlayer/i18nlayer.desc: * updated i18nlayer (0.5.6 -> 0.5.7)
16:19 < rxr> ok - cu later
16:23 < minto> cu rxr
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16:29 < CIA-9> msluis * r10855 /trunk/package/audio/taglib/taglib.desc: * updated taglib (1.3.1 -> 1.4)
16:45 < CIA-9> msluis * r10856 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.6 -> 0.6.1)
16:45 < CIA-9> msluis * r10857 /trunk/package/network/rsync/rsync.desc: * updated rsync (2.6.5 -> 2.6.6)
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17:00 < CIA-9> msluis * r10858 /trunk/package/x11-ng/libpixman/libpixman.desc: * updated libpixman (0.1.5 -> 0.1.6)
17:00 < CIA-9> msluis * r10859 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (0.5.2 -> 0.6.0)
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17:13 < CIA-9> msluis * r10860 /trunk/package/perl/perl-compress-zlib/perl-compress-zlib.desc: * updated perl-compress-zlib (1.33 -> 1.35)
17:13 < minto> ^-- BTW 1.33 downloaded 1.14 ?????? see the diff
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17:44 < mnemoc_> minto: automatized updates without review are harmfull :\
17:45 < minto> mnemoc: What do you mean by that?
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17:46 < mnemoc> 10860
17:46 < mnemoc> you fixed a broken update
17:46 < mnemoc> i have found a few others
17:46 < minto> Ahh, yes. I noticed.
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17:47 < CIA-9> msluis * r10861 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.4.16 -> 1.5.6)
17:48 < CIA-9> msluis * r10862 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * updated afterstep (2.1.1 -> 2.1.2)
17:48 < shingo--> if I wanna gnome2 in /usr/, if I change in config from my actual running distro, ./scripts/Emerge will recompile all gnome packages?
17:49 < mnemoc> nope
17:49 < mnemoc> if the package hasn't changed it wont be rebuilt
17:50 < mnemoc> fsck! i removed my desktop-rc2-p4 isos :\
18:10 < CIA-9> msluis * r10863 /trunk/package/gnome2/seahorse/seahorse.desc: * updated seahorse (0.7.8 -> 0.7.9)
18:12 < shingo--> mnemoc, thanks. 
18:13 < shingo--> mnemoc, where I have to go for learn more about diference of t2 and rock?
18:16 < mnemoc> shingo--: both lack of good documentation :\
18:16 < mnemoc> shingo--: anyway rock is pushing to rock 3.0 and we to 2.1
18:17 < mnemoc> shingo--: i guess that's the many technological difference
18:17 < mnemoc> 2.0 -> 3.0 vs. 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2
18:17 < mnemoc> 2.0 is the common edge
18:19 < mnemoc> a 2.0 -> 3.0 jump imply heavy redesign and plenty of new features
18:20 < mnemoc> a 2.n -> 2.(n+1) jump is focuses on making it more robust and stable
18:20 < mnemoc> adding few but well thought features each time thinking in compatibility, robustness, scalability, etc
18:22 < mnemoc> the other difference is more political, open bazar-like development vs. cathedral/single commiter/submaster development
18:25 < CIA-9> msluis * r10864 /trunk/package/x11/tk/tk.desc: * updated tk (8.4.9 -> 8.4.10)
18:31 < valentin> rehi
18:31 < valentin> moin mnemoc 
18:31 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
18:32 < valentin> little children are so peacefully when they sleep
18:33 < mnemoc> children are so peacefully when they sleep :)
18:33 < minto> mnemoc: Valentin is still on his pink cloud.
18:33 < minto> hi valentin
18:34 < mnemoc> minto: all children are angels when they sleep _alone_
18:34 < minto> he he
18:34 < mnemoc> i sleep with one over my head and one over my stomach last night :\
18:35 < mnemoc> my wife run away to victoria's bed
18:35 < minto> Up until now Merlyn never sleeps in our bed
18:36 < mnemoc> mine start sleeping on their bed but around 3-4am they got into our's :(
18:37 < minto> :)
18:39 < mnemoc> lucky minto :\
18:40 < minto> Merlyn is nearly 2 now, so I wonder how long it stays like this.
18:42 < mnemoc> :)
18:43 < shingo--> there's no gksu in tree? there's a better alternative?
18:44 < mnemoc> shingo--: add it and send the patch :)
18:45 < shingo--> :)
18:46 < shingo--> is this correct do modifications in /usr/src/t2-stable?
18:47 < mnemoc> shingo--: send patches against trunk, and ask me to merge :)
18:48 < valentin> minto: don't be afraid, janna drags me off that cloud often enough, esp during the night
18:49 < minto> poor valentin :)
18:49 < minto> I guess I am lucky. I sleep like a rock so Pauline is the one that gets up at night.
18:50 < mnemoc> hehe
18:50 < minto> But lucky for her Merlyn hardly is upset at night :)
18:50 < minto> But sometime Pauline hers his laugh in the middle of the night.
18:50 < minto> hers =hears
18:52 < mnemoc> :)
19:02 < minto> does anyone know what the hotfix_nolibfreetype.patch in graphviz is for? Would it still be necessary for version 2.4?
19:03 < mnemoc> as it's labeled as 'hotfix' i guess it was added to let an specific release build
19:03 < mnemoc> svn log hotfix_nolibfreetype.patch  ?
19:14 < minto> graphviz 2.4 build without the patch
19:15 < minto> svn log:
19:15 < minto> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:15 < minto> r7542 | rene | 2005-03-18 09:32:22 +0100 (Fri, 18 Mar 2005) | 2 lines
19:15 < minto>         * CopyPatch perl, ruby, scientific and develop
19:15 < minto> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:15 < minto> r4447 | mnemoc | 2004-10-24 06:21:42 +0200 (Sun, 24 Oct 2004) | 3 lines
19:15 < minto>         * graphviz updated to 1.16
19:20 < CIA-9> msluis * r10865 /trunk/package/scientific/graphviz/ (graphviz.desc hotfix_nolibfreetype.patch): * updated graphviz (2.2.1 -> 2.4)
19:20 < _Ragnar__> rxr: if you wanna pay package&shipping o_O
19:24 < CIA-9> msluis * r10866 /trunk/package/develop/boost-jam/boost-jam.desc: * updated boost-jam (3.1.10 -> 3.1.11)
19:31 < CIA-9> msluis * r10867 /trunk/package/gnome2/netspeed_applet/netspeed_applet.desc: * updated netspeed_applet (0.12.1 -> 0.13)
19:35 < CIA-9> msluis * r10868 /trunk/package/python/python-ldap/python-ldap.desc: * updated python-ldap (2.0.8 -> 2.0.9)
19:40 < CIA-9> msluis * r10869 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (064 -> 065)
19:47 < CIA-9> msluis * r10870 /trunk/package/zope/plonearticle/plonearticle.desc: * updated plonearticle (3.17 -> 3.18)
19:51 < rxr> re
19:51 < CIA-9> msluis * r10871 /trunk/package/zope/grufspaces/grufspaces.desc: * updated grufspaces (0.3.1 -> 0.4.0)
19:52 < rxr> cool - minto in update moot ,-)
19:52 < minto> he he 
19:52 < mnemoc> :)
19:53 < minto> I think I am done for today :)
19:58 < mnemoc> minto: rc2 build in progress? :)
19:59 < minto> noisy is down again :( only min-64-no-opt has completed without any problems
20:01 < minto> :) one more :D
20:01 < mnemoc> no bootdisk?
20:01 < minto> I have to check, since last week neither boot-32 or boot-64 finished without problems.
20:01 < mnemoc> :(
20:03 < minto> I still have a few updates pending, but they did not build without problems.
20:03 < minto> M      package/python/psycopg/psycopg.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/network/quagga/quagga.conf
20:03 < minto> M      package/develop/clearsilver/clearsilver.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/develop/pwlib/pwlib.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/mail/courier-imap/courier-imap.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/filesystem/reiser4progs/reiser4progs.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/filesystem/unionfs/unionfs.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/x86/spicctrl/spicctrl.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/multimedia/xvidcap/xvidcap.desc
20:03 < minto> M      package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc
20:03 < CIA-9> msluis * r10872 /trunk/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * updated dcc (1.3.5 -> 1.3.12)
20:03 < mnemoc> :D
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20:38 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: I brought a 1.42 Ghz Apple mini - thus I expect PPC builds happening more often and faster now ...
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21:33 < mnemoc> rxr: ppc rc2 isos? :)
21:40 < rxr> susan is starting to build 2.1-trunk on PPC
21:40 < rxr> it has -rc3 already, right ?
21:41 < rxr> right now I wait for OSX to finish installing so I can clone my iBook work in progress trunk (2.2) system onto the mini ...
21:41 < rxr> and then I think with susan building 2.1 I'll do the PPC live cd for improved PR
21:44 < mnemoc> 2.1 is rc3 for now
21:45 < mnemoc> just because mirror.cgi doesn't like 2.1-stable as version
21:46 < mnemoc> i would like to version only releases, so we can do better bug tracking
21:46 < mnemoc> ask her to build isos of rc2 tag instead of 2.1:HEAD please
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22:24 < rxr> mnemoc: I can extend the mirror.cgi in whatever form you need ,-)
22:24 < rxr> so I hear you want 2.1-trunk or so and you get it ,-)
22:24 < rxr> just tell me ,-)
22:26 < mnemoc> no no... i'll not try to force trunk maintainer to do anything ;)
22:26 < mnemoc> but if he wants 2.1-trunk,test,devel or whatever  i'll not object :)
22:26 < mnemoc> 2.2*
22:27 < mnemoc> yuck
22:27 < mnemoc> i missread you 
22:27 < mnemoc> i thought about 2.1-test to test merges on different archictectures
22:28 < mnemoc> before re-merging them to 2.1-stable
22:28 < mnemoc> but after 2.1.0 anyway
22:48 < _Ragnar__> hey
22:57 < mnemoc> _Ragnar__: ?
22:58 < _Ragnar__> hi :)
22:58 < _Ragnar__> no questions at the moment ... I know, that's uncommon ;)
22:59 < mnemoc> :)
23:00 < _Ragnar__> wait, do we have wpa_supplicant in some package?
23:02 < mnemoc> sounds familiar....
23:03 < mnemoc> hostap:hostap: usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant
23:04 < _Ragnar__> O_O
23:04 < _Ragnar__> you can use wpa without hostap tho
23:05 < mnemoc> i didn't packaage hostap
23:05  * _Ragnar__ looks at svn blame ;)
23:06 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < jsaw> re
23:12 < jsaw> mnemoc: ping
23:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: pong
23:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: ifplug etc. thing... idea:
23:13 < shingo--> where is the file PKG-CATEGORIES?
23:13 < mnemoc> shingo--: misc/share
23:13 < mnemoc> jsaw: flags
23:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: we can hack rocknet to detect how it was called
23:14 < jsaw> mnemoc: by following the parent processes
23:14 < jsaw> mnemoc: as in "grep PPid /proc/$$/status"
23:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: on init don't start network, during life don't start network if ifplug is running
23:14 < jsaw> mnemoc: I don't agree completely
23:15 < mnemoc> jsaw: what about flags? if [ -e /etc/hotplug/something ]
23:15 < mnemoc> jsaw: tell me :)
23:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: you can have several network interfaces, one start with ifplug the other but hotplug
23:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: here, I have USB wireless, and a builtin eth port in my laptop
23:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: so detecting ifplug is not enough
23:15 < mnemoc> jsaw: don't start network if the interface is beeing watch by ifplugd
23:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: it must detect if it is among the parents
23:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: the "normal" user won't know...
23:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: we have to add an "ifplug" option to rocknet config
23:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: and let our system do the right thing without much hacking
23:16 < mnemoc> ack
23:17 < mnemoc> ifplug integrated into rocknet
23:17 < jsaw> mnemoc: ...so I think the "decide based on if {hotplug,ifplug} etc is among parents" is easier
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23:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: sounds ok to me :)
23:33 < jsaw> I'll send a proposal to ML (as I might not have the time to implement this soon ... :|)
23:34 < mnemoc> :(
23:34 < rxr> re
23:34 < mnemoc> do you have a proposal for foo-% ? :)
23:34 < mnemoc> wb rxr
23:35 < jsaw> mnemoc: should I start a foo-% thread?
23:35 < jsaw> hi rxr 
23:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: ack :)
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: supporting only one instance of a package is the most important limitation currently we have
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: imho
23:36 < mnemoc> (i hate my bw!!!!)
23:37 < rxr> jsaw: mnemoc: can we wait for foo-% some time longer?
23:37 < rxr> I mean let's get 2.1 out and 2.2 stabelized and thsu foo-% for 2.3 or so ...
23:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i just want to _talk_ about the topic :)
23:39 < shingo--> I can't download this file. libidn-0.5.18.tar.g
23:39 < shingo--> libidn-0.5.18.tar.gz
23:40 < _Ragnar__> http://66.146.166.62/~ragnar/libidn-0.5.18.tar.bz2
23:41 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/2.1.0-current/l/libidn-0.5.18.tar.bz2
23:44 < jsaw> rxr: have you received my mail?
23:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: i just did
23:49 < jsaw> ?
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23:50 < jsaw> mnemoc: I meant a private mail about copy constructor of vector in embeddedSTL ... 
23:50 < mnemoc> :)
23:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: i just got your mail to the list :)
23:51 < mnemoc> oh.. clisp was updated
23:56 < mnemoc> http://www.alloyinn.com/Alloyinn%20Corporation/english/product/08/easy_pee.htm  .oO
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