T2 IRC Log: 2005-08-04
This is the log as captured by an IRC bot in the channel. The statements are those of the individual people and might not neccessarily reflect the policy and legal rules as set forth by the T2 SDE Project.
--- Log opened Thu Aug 04 00:00:00 2005
00:01 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10810 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/qemu.desc: * updated qemu (0.7.0 -> 0.7.1)
00:01 < sepp_> hi keinek
00:05 < sepp_> and good night all
00:07 < morfoh> night sepp_
00:20 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
00:22 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic
00:22 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
00:22 < mnemoc> .oO
00:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: who the f* is this strange vilkacis boy :D
00:24 < mnemoc> a guy from latvia
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator
00:26 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: (topic separator [] ) -- Sets the topic separator for to Converts the current topic appropriately.
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator |
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator -
00:26 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 - 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED - The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) - http://www.t2-project.org/
00:26 < mnemoc> :)
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator |
00:26 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
00:27 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic add test
00:27 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | test (mnemoc)
00:27 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic del 5
00:27 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: (topic []) -- Returns the topic for . is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
00:27 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic remove 5
00:27 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
00:35 < mnemoc> bbl
00:35 < morfoh> cu mnemoc :)
00:35 < morfoh> I#
00:36 < morfoh> I'll try to fix xmms
00:36 < mnemoc> back in 1h
00:36 < morfoh> ack :)
00:36 < morfoh> perhaps I'll be still here
00:36 < morfoh> :)
00:37 < mnemoc> :)
00:37 < morfoh> greetings to your girlis :)
00:38 < mnemoc> :)
01:03 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has joined #t2
01:23 * _Ragnar_ spanks rxr
01:23 < _Ragnar_> look at the source pathname for arts
01:26 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10811 /trunk/package/kde/arts/arts.desc: * arts 1.4.2 is in kde 2.4.2 directory, and checksum fixed
01:29 < mnemoc> *yawn*
01:31 < morfoh> wb mnemoc
01:32 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10812 /trunk/package/kde/kdevelop/kdevelop.desc: * kdevelop 3.2.2 is in kde 3.4.2 directory, and checksum fixed
01:32 < _Ragnar_> kde is confusing me with their versions ;p
01:35 < morfoh> hi Ragnar ... what's confusing ?
01:36 < mnemoc> that's the 'problem' of bundles
01:41 < _Ragnar_> arts 1.4.2 is in kde 2.4.2 directory <-- should be 3.4.2
01:56 < mnemoc> oh
03:02 * morfoh is back
03:02 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
04:03 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has quit ["Leaving"]
04:08 < Shingo--> jamin don't detect fftw3f. how to proceed, the system always was discovered the decencies?
04:13 < mnemoc> Shingo--: see how should we tell it where fftw3f is, and improve jamin.conf to give it that info
04:15 < Shingo--> i know where is, on package fftw3, i don't have pasted right.
04:16 < mnemoc> then remove the trailing f on my line and do that
04:18 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
04:39 < Shingo--> I don't understand.
04:50 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has joined #t2
05:01 < Shingo--> http://www.mercadedepublicidade.com.br/~shingo/t2-system/
05:23 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
05:30 < Shingo--> mnemoc: i'm try to run a image in vmware, no success. can you help me?
05:31 < Shingo--> the system stop on first screen.
05:48 < _Ragnar_> anyone have any reservations about updating valgrind to 3.0.0 ?
06:22 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
06:31 < Shingo--> I cant reach 2 stage of installation.
06:31 < _Ragnar_> stage 2?
06:39 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.224.247.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
09:37 < rxr> re
09:46 < morfoh> moin rxr :)
09:46 < morfoh> rxr: hope you slept well
10:03 < rxr> yes - thanks
10:03 < Shingo--> moin, can somebody help me?
10:12 < morfoh> moin Shingo-- what problem do you have ?
10:12 < Shingo--> the install, I don't reach stage 2.
10:20 < Shingo--> after make ISOs images, I will go to run a install in vmware it's don't works
10:22 < morfoh> Shingo--: do you used "-mkdebug" option while running .Create-ISO ?
10:23 < morfoh> Shingo--: btw, I've never used it so far on vmware ... if -mkdebug isn't solving your problem, please add ticket in trac
10:35 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
10:36 < karasz> rise and shine :D
10:36 < karasz> hello guys and a very good morning to you all
10:36 < morfoh> moin karasz
10:37 < karasz> good morning mr. morfoh :D
10:37 < karasz> how are you today?
10:38 < morfoh> karasz: good ... but I'm a bit in a hurry :D
10:38 < karasz> at this hour in the morning?
10:39 < karasz> hurry is not good for your health :)
10:55 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BED91A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
11:11 < valentin> moin
11:12 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
11:26 < karasz> moin everyone
11:27 < karasz> guys i have new info on i810 and agpgart file
11:27 < karasz> thare is an agpgart device file but is located in `/dev/misc/agpgart`
11:28 < karasz> somehow a symlink must be created from `/dev/misc/agpgart` to `/dev/agpgart`
11:28 < karasz> at boot time
11:28 < karasz> anyone has an ideea how?
11:34 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
11:36 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF9319.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
11:41 < Shingo--> the install system try access /dev/cdroms/cdrom0:2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/2nd_stage.tar.gz and follows error occurs:
11:41 < Shingo--> Extracting 2nd_stage filesystem to ram ...
11:41 < Shingo--> Can't run tar on 2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/2nd_stage.tar.gz!
11:41 < Shingo--> Can't find /mnt_root/linuxrc!
11:41 < Shingo--> after redraw menu. :(
11:45 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2
11:45 < morfoh> re hi
11:46 < karasz> re hi morfoh
11:46 < morfoh> hey karasz
11:47 < karasz> morfof: did you do a scroll to see messages?
11:47 < morfoh> nope
11:47 < karasz> guys i have new info on i810 and agpgart file
11:47 < karasz> thare is an agpgart device file but is located in `/dev/misc/agpgart`
11:47 < karasz> somehow a symlink must be created from `/dev/misc/agpgart` to `/dev/agpgart`
11:48 < karasz> at boot time
11:48 < karasz> anyone has an ideea how?
11:48 < morfoh> karasz: what how ? creating a symlink ?
11:48 < karasz> automaticaly at boot time
11:49 < karasz> a symlink like @mouse for example
11:49 < karasz> i know how to create symlincs but manualy
11:49 < morfoh> karasz: I guess you're using rc2 so most probably your /dev is populated by devfs
11:50 < karasz> yes
11:50 < karasz> devfs
11:50 < morfoh> karasz: I don't know exactly how do it. Did you filed a ticket yet ?
11:51 < karasz> i talked some time ago with mnemoc and i filled a ticket
11:51 < karasz> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/57
11:51 < morfoh> karasz: ah ok. good :)
11:51 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF9211.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
11:52 < karasz> but then i didn't noticed `/dev/misc/agpgart`
11:57 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178147216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
11:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
11:57 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Thu Aug 4 00:27:40 2005]
11:57 [Users #t2]
11:57 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[U2]]
11:57 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin ]
11:57 [ dsoul ] [ keinek] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ Shingo--]
11:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
11:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
11:57 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
11:57 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 15 secs
11:59 < karasz> updated ticket #57 if anyone cares :)
12:08 -!- rxr [rene@e178165241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
12:14 < morfoh> karasz: == 08/04/05 12:14:11 =[9]=> Finished building package smb4k.
12:37 < CIA-9> chris * r10813 /trunk/package/kde/smb4k/ (. smb4k.desc): * added smb4k (0.6.1)
12:58 < rxr_> re
12:58 < rxr_> valentin: around?
12:58 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:59 < morfoh> wb rxr
13:00 < valentin> rxr: yes ?
13:01 < morfoh> moin don valentino :)
13:03 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
13:04 < rxr> valentin: hi
13:04 < rxr> valentin: my new display arrived
13:04 < rxr> if you like we could also come earlier - like 3 or 4 for tea ... ,-)
13:08 < karasz> morfoh: i saw you added the package
13:08 < karasz> it works? ;)
13:09 < karasz> i mean it can fins smbmount and smbumount?
13:09 < karasz> fins-find
13:09 < morfoh> yep ...
13:10 < karasz> from my experience it builds but it cannot find those files unless you patch smb4k_mount and smb4k_umount
13:10 < morfoh> it works quite accurate here at work :)
13:10 < morfoh> and it was really no problem to add
13:10 < karasz> hmmmm
13:10 < karasz> yea i know:)
13:10 < morfoh> no custom conf file needed just a desc file
13:10 < morfoh> so you see the power of t2 ;)
13:11 < morfoh> karasz: have fun while browsing your smb shares :)
13:11 < karasz> maybe it was a problem of $PATH for me...
13:11 < morfoh> karasz: the best thing is to take a look in similar packages ;)
13:11 < karasz> smbc for example
13:11 < morfoh> no
13:12 < morfoh> kde packages
13:13 < karasz> but i do not understand.... smb4k has hardcoded path to find smbmount and smbumount
13:13 < karasz> how does it find thoose on your machine?
13:13 < karasz> `/opt/samba/bin` is not in those hardcoded path
13:14 < karasz> ?)
13:14 < karasz> :?
13:19 < morfoh> karasz: take a look into the smb4k.desk
13:19 < morfoh> karasz: there is a line "[O] . $base/package/*/*/kde-conf.in"
13:20 < karasz> i saw that
13:20 < morfoh> karasz: this will "inherit" the kde configuration paths
13:20 < karasz> ahm
13:20 < karasz> ok
13:20 < morfoh> karasz: and the t2 build system very smart to inject it in i.e. Makefiles etc.
13:20 < karasz> but there is a problem though
13:20 < karasz> :)
13:21 < morfoh> what
13:21 < karasz> i have smb4k running on my T2 machine for 5 days now
13:21 < morfoh> karasz: and now ?
13:21 < morfoh> karasz: what's the problem ?
13:21 < karasz> my goal was to learn how to add pack to T2
13:21 < karasz> not to have the work done by you.. :)
13:22 < morfoh> karasz: of course but that why I explain it quite detailed ;)
13:22 < karasz> i wish to learn how to build .desc files
13:22 < morfoh> karasz: it's sooooooo easy
13:22 < morfoh> take a look in the t2 handbook
13:22 < morfoh> and in other packages
13:22 < karasz> ok i will
13:23 < karasz> :)
13:23 < karasz> i do not want you to get in trouble...
13:23 < karasz> so we'll talk latter
13:23 < morfoh> mostly all packages with a default install routine "configure, make, make install" will just need a desc file
13:23 < morfoh> or just a conf file which changes the install prefix
13:24 < morfoh> take a look into apach.conf ... it
13:24 < morfoh> 's a good example for different things you can do with t2
13:24 < morfoh> for building a package
13:26 < karasz> tar.bz2 is ok or it must be tar.gz?
13:28 < morfoh> karasz: t2 will convert tar.gz automatically to tar.bz2
13:28 < morfoh> tgz -> tbz2
13:28 < morfoh> take look into the handboo please :)
13:28 < karasz> so tar.bz2 is even better since it not get converted
13:28 < karasz> ok ok
13:28 < morfoh> yep
13:28 < karasz> rtfm for me :) i get it
13:29 < morfoh> karasz: I avoid to say rtfm anyway ... but sometimes is useful to read :)
13:29 < karasz> :D
13:29 < karasz> but you know mw by now.... i must talk first cause i am a parrot :D :D
13:32 < valentin> rxr: then you'd better come 15:30
13:43 < rxr> re
13:44 < rxr> well - now susan decided to leave it with 18.xx and go to the postammer platz with her mother ... - so we come 18.xx
13:44 < rxr> sorry for teh confusion ,-)
13:56 -!- root [~root@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
13:56 < root> yabadabadoo
13:56 < root> konversation works
13:56 -!- root [~root@80.97.102.202] has quit [Client Quit]
13:57 < rxr> valentin: ouhm - well, ... - after the usual phoning with parents we decided to come at 15.30 and visit susan's mom thereafter ..
13:57 < rxr> what a chaos today
13:58 < morfoh> rxr: poor guy :)
13:58 < rxr> yeah ...
13:58 < rxr> nice display I have now ,-)
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: what model ?
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: and what about your CRT ?
14:00 < morfoh> rxr: what's the current price ? ;)
14:00 < rxr> all will be trashed or ebay'ed ...
14:00 < rxr> morfoh: I have an more expensive one now ...
14:00 < rxr> ViewSonic VP 912s
14:00 < morfoh> rxr: what model ?
14:00 < morfoh> ah :)
14:00 < rxr> 45x EUR usually
14:01 < morfoh> 19"
14:01 < morfoh> my 21" CRT is also a CRT
14:02 < rxr> CRT is a CRT ?
14:02 < rxr> heae ?
14:03 < morfoh> oops
14:04 < morfoh> a ViewSonic I mean :)
14:04 < morfoh> with Trinitron
14:04 < morfoh> but indeed your Display is very nice :)
14:06 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:25 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2
14:27 < Shingo--> hi, I can't run install. the files in /bin/ don't work in initrd env.
14:27 < Shingo--> there a quick way to investigate cd?
14:27 < Shingo--> I have tried in vmware and outside.
14:35 < rxr> Shingo--: best outline your problems in a mail to the mailing list - so someone can review
14:37 < Shingo--> I want to start use T2 based system. and that stop me.
14:37 < Shingo--> ok, I'll post after in mailing list.
14:49 < morfoh> Shingo--: what release do you use ?
14:49 < Shingo--> 2.1.0-rc3
14:49 < morfoh> Shingo--: and on what host OS do you building on ?
14:50 < morfoh> Shingo--: I mean, what linux distribution
14:50 < Shingo--> Gentoo, the system has build everything.
14:50 < rxr> ah - I thought he has install problems ...
14:50 < Shingo--> but, cd is not ok.
14:51 < rxr> so - cu - /we off to valentin & kerstin
14:51 < morfoh> rxr: cu ... greetings to valentin and his family :)
14:52 < morfoh> Shingo--: what target did you build
14:52 < morfoh> ?
14:53 < Shingo--> bootdisk and desktop.
14:53 < morfoh> Shingo--: what arch and optimization do you want ?
14:53 < Shingo--> x86/athlon-xp
14:53 < morfoh> http://torrent.t2-project.org/
14:54 < morfoh> I've build an athlon-xp optimized desktop
14:54 < morfoh> and you can download it there
14:55 < morfoh> Shingo--: do you wanna give it a try ?
14:55 < Shingo--> but, the problem still remain.
14:55 < Shingo--> I'll try it.
14:55 < morfoh> Shingo--: did you tested my ISO's ?
14:56 < Shingo--> not yet.
14:57 < morfoh> Shingo--: I don't know what the problem is. It could be even some drivers problem if you have some special hardware
14:57 < morfoh> Shingo--: i.e. IDE chipsets or so
14:57 < Shingo--> for example, i can't run /bin/tar in install environment.
14:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: hmmm. that's strange
14:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: you can even try the minimal athlon-xp first
14:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: to see if this will work
14:58 < Shingo--> I don't nothing about kiss.
14:59 < morfoh> Shingo--: then you don't have to download the 1GB just the 144MB of the minimal targetz
14:59 < Shingo--> ok.
15:01 < morfoh> Shingo--: please feel free to contact me in any case regarding the ISO's
15:02 < Shingo--> I have mounted the initrd image, the image look seems ok.
15:05 < morfoh> Shingo--: the bootdisk target will be dropped soon anyway
15:06 < Shingo--> I have no need this target?
15:06 < morfoh> Shingo--: it make no sense anymore because we've a livecd framework which can be used for the install media
15:07 < Shingo--> Creating initrd data:
15:07 < Shingo--> -> Create linuxrc binary.
15:07 < Shingo--> linuxrc.o(.text+0x33f): In function `httpload':
15:07 < Shingo--> linuxrc.c: warning: warning: your code uses stdio (7+k bloat).
15:07 < Shingo--> linuxrc.o(.text+0x40f):linuxrc.c: warning: setenv calls malloc. Avoid it in small programs.
15:07 < Shingo--> /home/shingo/t2-2.1/build/bootdisk-2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/usr/dietlibc/lib-i386/libc.a(vsnprintf.o)(.text+0xbf): In function `vsnprintf':
15:07 < Shingo--> vsnprintf.c: warning: warning: the printf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
15:07 < Shingo--> /home/shingo/t2-2.1/build/bootdisk-2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/usr/dietlibc/lib-i386/libc.a(vsscanf.o)(.text+0x6e): In function `vsscanf':
15:07 < Shingo--> vsscanf.c: warning: warning: the scanf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
15:07 < Shingo--> -> Copy various helper applications.
15:07 < Shingo--> -> Adding kiss shell for expert use to the initrd image.
15:07 < morfoh> Shingo--: no! atm you'll need it for creating a bootable cd
15:07 < Shingo--> ok.
15:08 < morfoh> Shingo--: these are "just" warnings of dietlibc
15:08 < Shingo--> ok
15:13 < Shingo--> I think I know the problem.
15:13 < Shingo--> is Dietlibc used in bootdisk?
15:13 < morfoh> Shingo--: yes ... partially
15:14 < morfoh> Shingo--: bootdisk is really a mess and we've to get rid of it as soon as possible
15:15 < Shingo--> hehehe, but a have put in pkgsel from targetr desktop "- dietlibc", isn't this the problem?
15:22 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2
15:23 < keinek> hi
15:23 < veki> hi
15:23 < morfoh> Shingo--: no ... this isn't the problem
15:23 < morfoh> hi keinek
15:23 < veki> hi morfoh
15:23 < morfoh> hey vamp :)
15:23 < veki> hey rabbit owner :)
15:24 < morfoh> veki: btw, I don't "own" a rabbit
15:24 < veki> OK, but you do have it ?
15:24 < veki> or rabbit master?
15:25 < morfoh> veki: nope
15:25 < mnemoc> the rabbit owns him
15:25 < veki> ok, rabbit fun
15:25 < veki> :)
15:25 < morfoh> veki: I'd say a rabbit is sharing his room with me ... isn't he graceful :)
15:26 < morfoh> hey mnemoc ... suggar boy :)
15:26 < veki> ah, yes that is cool
15:26 < veki> btw, I have one question which is maybe conceptual
15:26 < mnemoc> :)
15:26 < veki> I am building desktop target and I have on that machine soething like 184MB RAM etc.
15:27 < veki> swap is approx 320 or so...
15:28 < veki> When I am building target it happens that I have error message that cc1plus program does have error. rene said that it i sdue to lack of memory for kernel and really in var.log.warn it is that message
15:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop
15:28 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-desktop:
15:28 < mnemoc> 677 builds total, 282 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:28 < veki> So my questions/dilemmas are:
15:29 < veki> 1. Should we put in manula that minimum of swap is let say 450 megs
15:29 < veki> 2. how to enlarge swap without using third party software?
15:29 < veki> 3. Is it really needed to have so big swap
15:30 < mnemoc> veki: you need a better machine to do your builds :)
15:31 < veki> mnemoc: I know that, but I am trying to be more practical or to be more accessible by average users. Actually, my idea is to think do we have place in modest areas of use
15:31 < veki> I can put that swap is 1GB if needed, but we have to put that in manual so people should know that
15:32 < mnemoc> veki: you can add a new swap partition or enlarge your current
15:33 < morfoh> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop-p4
15:33 < morfoh> Error logs from desktop-p4-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-desktop:
15:33 < morfoh> 677 builds total, 120 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: monster is late
15:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: news about rene and the new HD?
15:34 < mnemoc> veki: you can reach modest areas with pre-built distributions, not really as your head quarter
15:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: monster hung 2 time :/
15:35 < morfoh> times
15:35 < mnemoc> :(
15:35 < morfoh> should I stop
15:35 < morfoh> and starting a minimal ?
15:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: ok
15:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: roger that commander :)
15:35 < mnemoc> veki: but you can use parted to resize your partitions and free space
15:36 < veki> mnemoc: uhm, that is easy to say. if I use cfdsik I do have problems. If I use parted than I have to umount partitions etc.
15:37 < veki> I am trying to find elegant solution that will be part of t2 itself or documentation. I do not have problem saying in manula that swap should be 600megs. That is fine, but we have to put that.
15:37 < veki> my idea is that 2 should be from the point of software and documentation sufficient enough so the users should have enough instructions
15:38 < mnemoc> veki: lvm2 is a good alternative, but you always need to umount before resizing
15:38 < veki> if I use fdsik it is it seems to be unreliable and I do have a lot of problems. I have to check that. Actually, I know how to do that. I am looking for solution that will be elegant and well documented. I hope you understand what I say
15:39 < veki> fdsik=cfdisk
15:41 < veki> my idea is to put t2 close to average user that can read manual and take all precautions on time and be ready for target building. I do not speak on double processor machines and fast target building. I speak on people who do not need 10 targets per week. I speak on ordinary people who would like to enjoy freedom of free software and build targets according to their needs and to train...
15:41 < veki> ...local people how to do that thanking to t2. OK?
15:42 < veki> so my questions are not purely technical. I am trying to think in social terms too, from the point of view of communication (written manual) and simple to use tools
15:43 < mnemoc> what are the 'specs' of your target people?
15:44 < veki> asociation of the blind, independent media, cultural organisations of minority people, etc.
15:45 < veki> they do not need to be always very fast, they do need proper guidelines and easy manamgement of tools including scripts athat are very powerfull
15:45 < mnemoc> can't they affort _1_ decent home computer to do their builds?
15:45 < mnemoc> read decent as: 512 of RAM, more than 700Mhz, 30G of HD?
15:47 < veki> usually, they can but in many cases the can't. Iti s not problem to have 512megs ofram, it is only needed that they should know how much swap they should allocate. I am looking how to do screenshots of installation screens so I can write maunal for that
15:47 < veki> average is 450 Mhz, 40 GB HD, 128 0r 256 megs of RAM
15:48 < mnemoc> 1G is safe i would say
15:48 < mnemoc> of swap
15:49 < veki> however, it is not needed to be fast. If server or router is finished during the weekend, that is OK. If desktop is finished in 7 days that is OK. ONly iti s needed to write proper guidance so they know what to do
15:49 < mnemoc> some kde packages, and OOo and mozila-family are monster packages
15:49 < veki> OK, so we can recommend 1G of RAM that i sfine . If we put that in manual they will respect that and we will explain why is that so :_
15:49 < veki> :)
15:50 < veki> 1g of swap is OK, but we have to put that exactly in manual
15:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: I thought 1GB of swap is senseless
15:51 < veki> ok, what is really needed size of swap?
15:51 < morfoh> the old rule swap = 2 * RAM doesn't apply anymore
15:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: or what do you think?
15:52 < mnemoc> morfoh: he has 128-256 of ram
15:52 < veki> so what is the real requirement. users will do what we put in manual.
15:52 < mnemoc> mnemoc: do you think he could build a full desktop with less memory?
15:53 < morfoh> less than 512MB isn't fun anyway
15:53 < mnemoc> s/mnemoc/morfoh/
15:53 < morfoh> :)
15:53 < veki> hd space is not problem usually, so swap size is not an issue, but we have to tell that to the users
15:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm your clone :)
15:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have failed due to memory with 512 + 1024
15:53 < veki> uhm..
15:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: really ? what was wroing ?
15:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: kdesomething
15:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: why did it failed ?
15:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: 100% of memory usage and build frozen
15:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's not accaptable ...
15:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: and that wasn't a leak, jsaw had success with more memory
15:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: of course not, kde stinks
15:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: pfff...kde crap
15:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have do builds on veki-like machines, but servers or routers, never Xorg
15:56 < veki> yes, I have had the same probelm, kde apps are eating swap
15:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: and even that was a pain
15:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can imagine
15:57 < veki> mnemosyne was built for let say 36 hours...
15:57 < morfoh> veki: damn
15:57 < veki> I have to go now cu this evening...
15:57 < morfoh> it builds on a moderate P4 in less than 12h here I think
15:57 < morfoh> cu
15:57 < mnemoc> i joined rock with a p200/128 :) that why mnemosyne born
15:57 < veki> 36 hours for modest people is nothing . They make one server target in 2 years, since they do not need more
15:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: :D
15:58 < veki> bye, cyu this evening
15:58 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 []
15:58 < keinek> ?
15:59 < keinek> t2 is t2.... Just Do it! right?
16:00 < morfoh> keinek: what do you mean with t2 is t2 ?
16:01 < keinek> a way to say "dont break my balls"
16:01 < mnemoc> /.*/ p;
16:01 < morfoh> keinek: we can't break your balls anyway ... you shouldn't watch that much p0rn :)
16:02 < keinek> :)
16:02 < keinek> i know that veki want do something.
16:03 < morfoh> keinek: what he wants to do ?
16:03 < keinek> When i wanna have my own target, i work a lot, with the help of us, now i have my own target :)
16:03 < keinek> i just start... is the first step.
16:03 < keinek> but viking dont do that first step.
16:05 < keinek> t2 for everybody, is very dificult.
16:06 < keinek> a good idea is a Emerge System like debian.
16:07 < keinek> download the .gem automatic than compile, and of course recursive.
16:08 < keinek> for example, open office take a lot of time of compilation, so... that is a excelent package for emerge from web in .gem format.
16:08 < morfoh> keinek: ack. but it makes no sense for bashing veki if he isn't here, even if it's smart bashing
16:08 < mnemoc> Emerge is for building, another tool to fetch prebuilt packages from the place choose by your target maintainer is also needed
16:08 < morfoh> keinek: just talk to him "face to face" and ask him why he isn't starting
16:09 < keinek> right morfoh
16:09 < morfoh> keinek: and sharing knowledge and smartly forcing him to start
16:09 < keinek> i tell him that read the log :P
16:09 < morfoh> that's my opinion and at least my last 2 cents for the next 2h
16:09 < keinek> do you know that google have all log?
16:10 < morfoh> of course
16:10 < keinek> "no more secrets" :D
16:10 < morfoh> keinek: what the h*ll you're thinking I am ? :p
16:10 < mnemoc> morfoh
16:10 < morfoh> yep
16:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: what's up
16:11 < keinek> mnemoc, another package need the system that know the depend.
16:11 < mnemoc> morfoh is morfoh
16:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: that could be true
16:11 < morfoh> :p
16:11 < keinek> yes. is true
16:11 < keinek> mnemoc is mnemoc
16:11 < mnemoc> keinek: we know the build time dependencies
16:12 < keinek> now i building a generic t2.
16:12 < keinek> :)
16:13 < keinek> what is "bashing"?
16:13 < keinek> is like "basura" in spanish?
16:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: I started the minimal-p4
16:15 < mnemoc> keinek: it could be like 'basurear'... but i prefer 'calumniar'
16:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: boot built fine?
16:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep
16:15 < keinek> oh sh*T! i dont wanna bashing veki
16:16 < keinek> oh sh*t again!
16:16 < morfoh> keinek: I know
16:16 < keinek> i confusing veki with viking
16:16 < keinek> sorry
16:16 < keinek> sorry sorry sorry.
16:16 < morfoh> keinek: but it's not smart talking about while they aren't here
16:16 < morfoh> so anyway
16:16 < morfoh> bye bye
16:16 < mnemoc> cu morfoh
16:16 < morfoh> cu later
16:16 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has left #t2 []
16:16 < keinek> i am sorry i thing that veki was viking, and just looking a solution, i dont want bashing anybody.
16:17 < keinek> :(
16:17 < keinek> a bad day is starting ...
16:17 < keinek> and my english dont help me.
16:17 < mnemoc> keinek: officially 'to bash' is to hit strongly
16:18 < keinek> sorry too many words that i dont know.
16:18 < keinek> "oficialmente "to bash" is el mejor ...?
16:19 < mnemoc> keinek: hit=golpear
16:19 < keinek> i understand.
16:20 < keinek> but i dont wanna that, i do a mistake.
17:48 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.81.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
17:54 -!- sepp__ [~sepp@p213.54.214.151.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
17:54 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.81.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
18:11 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
18:51 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has left #t2 []
18:51 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
19:20 < karasz> guys what is exactly the --enable-final switch in kde-conf.in?
19:20 < mnemoc> no idea
19:21 < mnemoc> i assume something to remove extra debugging stuff
19:21 < karasz> hmmm
19:21 < _Ragnar_> re
19:21 < karasz> i have a package that builds fine on my t2 box without that switch
19:21 < _Ragnar_> any mono specialist here?:)
19:21 < karasz> but with that switch it fails to build
19:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i haven't used it in more than a year
19:24 < karasz> mnemoc:
19:24 < karasz> As the developers cannot really use --enable-final, it gets easily broken. So please try to compile without --enable-final
19:24 < karasz> from koffice faq
19:25 < mnemoc> karasz: rene is kde maintainer, ask him why :)
19:25 < karasz> i will after i tested some more that matter :)
19:37 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BEB393.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
19:37 < morfoh> re hi
19:38 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
19:39 < morfoh> hi mnemoc
19:42 < karasz> huhu morfoh
19:43 < karasz> wellcome back :D
19:43 < morfoh> huhu karasz :)
19:43 < karasz> it should read `huhu to you too` isn't it?
19:44 < sepp__> `huhu to you too` - -bash: huhu: command not found
19:44 < sepp__> tideli
19:44 -!- sepp__ is now known as sepp
19:45 < karasz> mnemoc: if you are interested i found what that switch does
19:46 < mnemoc> karasz: tell us
19:46 < karasz> http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kde/kde20010615_14.html#5
19:47 < morfoh> hi sepp
19:47 < sepp> hi morfoh
19:48 < karasz> morfoh: i have news for you :)
19:49 < sepp> any one knows how i get a 4.2gb file on a dvdr, no please don't say split
19:51 < morfoh> karasz: what kind of news
19:51 < karasz> T2 has a very brand new package called Konversation
19:51 < karasz> sepp: tried overburn?
19:52 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050727]"]
19:56 -!- karasz [~root@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
19:58 < karasz> morfoh: what should I send to the ML?
19:59 < karasz> i have 2 files a .desc and a .conf
19:59 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:00 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:00 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
20:01 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.70] has quit ["leaving"]
20:02 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:02 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:03 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
20:03 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.70] has joined #t2
20:04 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:04 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:06 < mnemoc> vilkacis: list topic
20:11 < valentin> hi
20:11 < valentin> who is vilkacis and why is he op ?
20:14 < mnemoc> a bot
20:14 < mnemoc> i'm playing with
20:14 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic
20:15 < mnemoc> arg
20:15 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
20:16 < karasz> morfoh: still around?
20:19 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:19 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:33 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10814 /trunk/package/network/tcp_wrappers/tcp_wrappers.conf: * tcp_wrappers: added -fPIC to fix linking on x86_64, shouldn't hurt other platforms
20:34 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10815 /trunk/package/filesystem/siefs/siefs.conf: * siefs: fix Makefile to build with lib64
20:35 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't we have a flag for -fPIC ?
20:36 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10816 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libxml/perl-libxml.conf:
20:36 < CIA-9> * perl-libxml: add -L/lib64 and -L/usr/lib64 to MakeMaker LIBS for x86_64.
20:36 < CIA-9> This screams for a more general fix.
20:37 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: didn't work in this case I think
20:37 < mnemoc> why?
20:37 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
20:37 < _Ragnar_> this seems to be a special issue with _64, too ... this packages compile and link fine without -fPIC on _32
20:37 < minto> moin
20:38 < _Ragnar_> where would this flag be?
20:39 < mnemoc> [F]
20:39 < _Ragnar_> what does it do? O_O
20:40 < mnemoc> minto: what FPIC_QUICK flag does?
20:40 < minto> mnemoc: I have no clue :)
20:41 < _Ragnar_> I don't see this flag used anywhere in ./scripts
20:42 < mnemoc> # grep FPIC misc/share/PKG-FLAGS
20:42 < mnemoc> FPIC-QUIRK Packages which do not use -fPIC correctly and brake on certain
20:43 < _Ragnar_> yes, that's documentation ... but it doesn't actually do anything
20:43 < _Ragnar_> at least not that I see
20:44 < mnemoc> # grep FPIC-QUIRK package/*/*/parse-config*
20:44 < mnemoc> package/base/gcc/parse-config:[ "$desc_F" != "${desc_F/FPIC-QUIRK}" ] && var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-fPIC'
20:46 < _Ragnar_> aahh ok
20:46 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic
20:46 < _Ragnar_> duh ... that's the last place where I'd have looked
20:46 < mnemoc> :)
20:46 < mnemoc> imagine the mess if we hardcode those flags on scripts/Build-Pkg
20:46 < _Ragnar_> but ... this means, add the -fPIC unless this flag is used, or?
20:48 < _Ragnar_> and that didn't seem to work in this case
20:48 < karasz> moin minto
20:49 < minto> hi karasz
20:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: that's a trick
20:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: is desc_F does _change_ if you remove FPIC-QUIRK string
20:49 < _Ragnar_> uh ouch
20:50 < _Ragnar_> bash magic ;PPP
20:50 < mnemoc> :)
20:50 < mnemoc> that's the way to see if something contains another thing
20:50 < _Ragnar_> black magic ;p
20:51 < mnemoc> :)
20:51 < _Ragnar_> do we have a flag for 'fix MakeMaker broken pathness', too?
20:51 < mnemoc> not yet :)
20:53 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10817 /trunk/package/network/tcp_wrappers/ (tcp_wrappers.conf tcp_wrappers.desc): * tcp_wrappers: removed -fPIC patch and added FPIC-QUIRK flag to description ;)
20:54 < _Ragnar_> :D
20:55 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
20:57 < karasz> mnemoc: i sent a mail to ML i wonder if it is the propper way for that situation
20:58 < mnemoc> karasz: ML is always the proper way :)
20:58 < karasz> i was reffering to the mail format, it has diff inline and attached
20:58 < karasz> which sould I use from now on?
20:59 < mnemoc> minute
20:59 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:59 < minto> karasz: seems like your prefix is hardcoded
20:59 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:59 < minto> Do you want the same prefix as kde?
21:00 < karasz> yes
21:00 < karasz> but i cannot use kde-conf.in
21:01 < mnemoc> karasz: comments: [D] checksum is missing, use pkgprefix to get the prefix of other package, O pacakges are only packages which makes troubles on generic
21:02 < karasz> kde-conf.in uses --eanble-final which break konversation for some reason that is beyond my comprehension
21:03 < karasz> i know checksum is missing, but i do not know how to create checksum :(
21:03 < minto> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch
21:03 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
21:04 < karasz> so i should use X not O?
21:04 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
21:04 < _Ragnar_> you can remove the --enable-final afterwards again
21:04 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
21:04 < mnemoc> karasz: and use kde-conf.in but var_remove --eanble-final on your .conf
21:04 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
21:05 < minto> karasz: My preliminary package update document also describes how to set the proper checksum
21:09 < _Ragnar_> can I tell the wrapper somehow to s#opt/postgresql/lib#opt/postgresql/lib64# ?
21:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: libdir=$prefix/lib64 ?
21:10 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: but yes, you can do that on install_wrapper
21:10 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2
21:11 < minto> howdy madtux
21:11 < mnemoc> hi madtux
21:12 < _Ragnar_> how so?
21:12 < minto> morfoh ping
21:12 < _Ragnar_> this package only has --with-postgresql= , not --with-postgresql-libdir=
21:12 < mnemoc> var_append INSTALL_WRAPPER_FILTER "|" "sed -e 's,usr/include/.*\.h,tmp/weg.h,'"
21:13 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
21:13 < _Ragnar_> that's for install isn't it?
21:14 < mnemoc> yes
21:14 < mnemoc> what do you want?
21:14 < _Ragnar_> don't want that
21:14 < mnemoc> gcc -L ?
21:14 < _Ragnar_> package wants -lpq
21:14 < _Ragnar_> yes
21:14 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
21:14 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
21:14 < mnemoc> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' -L$( pkgprefix libdir postgresl )
21:14 < _Ragnar_> gcc currently gets -L/opt/postgresql/lib ... I want to transform that into -L/opt/postgresql/lib64
21:15 < mnemoc> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE
21:15 < mnemoc> remove the wrong, append the good
21:15 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
21:17 < _Ragnar_> :) ok thanks
21:18 < madtux> hello guys
21:18 < mnemoc> hello codetux
21:18 < _Ragnar_> hey hey
21:19 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
21:19 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
21:21 < _Ragnar_> uhm!
21:22 < _Ragnar_> ERROR: No configuration 'default' found!
21:22 < _Ragnar_> the config is there and worked up to 2 min ago
21:22 < _Ragnar_> wtf? O_O
21:23 < _Ragnar_> I can't run more then one Build-Target at the same time any more? O_O
21:26 < minto> Oeps my other box is nearly out of space :( and not even halfway 2.2 reference build
21:26 < minto> Error logs from trunkref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-generic:
21:26 < minto> [5] x86/cpuburn [5] security/botan
21:26 < minto> [5] network/quagga [5] network/zebra
21:27 < minto> [5] graphic/pdftk [5] multimedia/xvidcap
21:27 < minto> [5] network/dansguardian [5] network/knetconf
21:27 < minto> [5] mail/courier-authlib [5] gnome2/gst-editor
21:27 < minto> [5] gnome2/gst-plugins
21:27 < minto> 1755 builds total, 808 completed fine, 11 with errors.
21:27 < mnemoc> if you have the _luck_ of getting it running Config in parallel you are doomed
21:27 < _Ragnar_> quagga duplicate files?
21:27 < mnemoc> morfoh: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop
21:27 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-desktop:
21:27 < mnemoc> 677 builds total, 381 completed fine, 0 with errors.
21:27 < _Ragnar_> no not Config, just Build-Target ... Config trashes stuff ;p
21:28 < mnemoc> Build-Target calls Build-Tools which calls Config when needed
21:28 < _Ragnar_> oops ;)
21:28 < mnemoc> :)
21:28 < _Ragnar_> btw, Config trashing stuff is EEEEEVVIL!
21:29 < mnemoc> did you read "How Config works?" on trac?
21:29 < mnemoc> still WIP btw
21:30 < _Ragnar_> no
21:30 < _Ragnar_> maybe I should ;)
21:32 * minto starts to stare at the screen doing nothing. I think I am sleepy.
21:32 < _Ragnar_> :)
21:33 < minto> can't think and type anymore, I am off to bed. See you guys some other time. bzzzzzz bzzzzz
21:33 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"]
21:34 < _Ragnar_> nini sleep well
21:34 < _Ragnar_> ;p
21:39 < karasz> i made all the recomandation you asked
21:39 < karasz> now i do not need konversation.conf because i put that in konversation.desc
21:39 < karasz> i will ML :)
21:41 < mnemoc> karasz: var_remove on .desc is bad practice
21:43 < karasz> :(
21:43 < karasz> but it is a practice...
21:43 < karasz> i didn't invent it
21:43 < mnemoc> :)
21:43 < karasz> so i should make a .conf?
21:44 < mnemoc> if you want to do it right, yes
21:44 < karasz> ok back to roots again :)
21:44 < karasz> at least the first should be made right. right?
21:44 < karasz> :D
21:45 < mnemoc> the source of kde-conf.in, yes
21:45 < mnemoc> because it define inherance
21:46 < karasz> so kde-conf.in goes in desc and remove in .conf?
21:46 < mnemoc> .oO( yuck... what ugly concept have i introduced on t2 )o
21:46 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
21:46 < karasz> or the whole stuff should go in .conf
21:46 < mnemoc> karasz: the inherence on .desc, and custom config on .conf
21:47 < karasz> ok
21:48 < Shingo--> I'm guess the bootdisk target is broken in 2.1.0-rc3.
21:48 < Shingo--> The minimal cd from torrent, it's ok.
21:50 < mnemoc> Shingo--: tell me more
21:51 < morfoh> Shingo--: :)
21:51 < Shingo--> the rc3 boot appears don't execute anything in "kiss".
21:51 < sepp> my rc3 bootdisk works fine in qemu
21:51 < Shingo--> I will goes to real setup, no vmware now.
21:51 < morfoh> mnemoc Shingo-- but good to know that the athlon-xp minimal is working
21:52 < Shingo--> I don't know qemu.
21:52 < Shingo--> :)
21:52 < mnemoc> Shingo--: works on ISOs but not on your build of 2.1:HEAD ?
21:52 < Shingo--> I don't understand.
21:52 < sepp> Revision: 10768
21:53 < mnemoc> i haven't changed anything on 2.1 since the tag of rc2
21:54 < sepp> ^ --- this bootdisk works fine
21:54 < Shingo--> ok, but i have tried in vmware and real test, the two don't work.
21:54 < Shingo--> the same thing occurs.
21:55 < mnemoc> Shingo--: you tried published isos or your own build?
21:55 < Shingo--> investigating, mount local of ISO nothing appears wrong.
21:55 < Shingo--> nope.
21:57 < karasz> now is korect?
21:58 < karasz> mnemoc: ? is it right this time?
21:59 < mnemoc> %topic add Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
21:59 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
21:59 < mnemoc> thanks vilkacis
22:02 < Shingo--> mnemoc: maybe I get install from minimal, after make a "mine -i *.gem"?
22:07 < mnemoc> Shingo--: what?
22:08 < karasz> mnemoc: i have to go now and i'd like to sleep with a warm and fuzzy feeling that i did something right today
22:09 < mnemoc> karasz: you forgot to X it
22:09 < Shingo--> sorry, with minimal I get a fresh install over gentoo? after may I install the system build.
22:09 < karasz> :(
22:09 < Shingo--> minimal ISO.
22:09 < mnemoc> Shingo--: mine -i *.gem installs all those .gem with DESTDIR=/
22:10 < mnemoc> Shingo--: if that is not an empty partition or a non-T2-based machine, you will be in troubles
22:10 < Shingo--> ok, how fast would be the installation that way.
22:11 < Shingo--> I have a lot of partitions :)
22:11 < Shingo--> but, I will destroy gentoo.
22:12 < karasz> now i X-ed it
22:12 < Shingo--> well, I will goes to full installation now, I will see you later.
22:13 < mnemoc> Shingo--: you can give mine the root location
22:13 < karasz> can i have my fuzzy stuff now :?
22:14 < mnemoc> karasz: are you waiting for me to commit your patch?
22:15 < karasz> no
22:15 < mnemoc> karasz: you need to be more direct :)
22:15 < Shingo--> ok. thank you.
22:15 < karasz> i just wanted to know if it is following T2 standards
22:15 < mnemoc> karasz: looks good. works?
22:16 < karasz> yes
22:16 < karasz> i am in konversation now
22:17 < karasz> it builded with no problems except that --enable-final which now is resolved
22:17 < karasz> another stuff : how should i send the mails to ML diffs inline or attached?
22:19 < karasz> guys i am realy tired so cu tomorrow
22:24 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
22:32 < rxr> re
22:33 < rxr> karasz: we do not care about inline or not
22:33 < rxr> we are not pedantic - just send it how you like
22:34 < rxr> n8 all
22:35 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
22:37 < mnemoc> karasz: send it or i'll apply the preview one :p
23:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10818 /trunk/package/x11/worker/worker.desc: * updated worker (2.10.0 -> 2.10.2)
23:57 < sepp> someone knows why ^ has "[P] O" ?
--- Log closed Fri Aug 05 00:00:00 2005
00:01 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10810 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/qemu.desc: * updated qemu (0.7.0 -> 0.7.1)
00:01 < sepp_> hi keinek
00:05 < sepp_> and good night all
00:07 < morfoh> night sepp_
00:20 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
00:22 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic
00:22 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
00:22 < mnemoc> .oO
00:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: who the f* is this strange vilkacis boy :D
00:24 < mnemoc> a guy from latvia
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator
00:26 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: (topic separator [
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator |
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator -
00:26 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 - 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED - The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) - http://www.t2-project.org/
00:26 < mnemoc> :)
00:26 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic separator |
00:26 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
00:27 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic add test
00:27 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | test (mnemoc)
00:27 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic del 5
00:27 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: (topic [
00:27 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic remove 5
00:27 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
00:35 < mnemoc> bbl
00:35 < morfoh> cu mnemoc :)
00:35 < morfoh> I#
00:36 < morfoh> I'll try to fix xmms
00:36 < mnemoc> back in 1h
00:36 < morfoh> ack :)
00:36 < morfoh> perhaps I'll be still here
00:36 < morfoh> :)
00:37 < mnemoc> :)
00:37 < morfoh> greetings to your girlis :)
00:38 < mnemoc> :)
01:03 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has joined #t2
01:23 * _Ragnar_ spanks rxr
01:23 < _Ragnar_> look at the source pathname for arts
01:26 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10811 /trunk/package/kde/arts/arts.desc: * arts 1.4.2 is in kde 2.4.2 directory, and checksum fixed
01:29 < mnemoc> *yawn*
01:31 < morfoh> wb mnemoc
01:32 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10812 /trunk/package/kde/kdevelop/kdevelop.desc: * kdevelop 3.2.2 is in kde 3.4.2 directory, and checksum fixed
01:32 < _Ragnar_> kde is confusing me with their versions ;p
01:35 < morfoh> hi Ragnar ... what's confusing ?
01:36 < mnemoc> that's the 'problem' of bundles
01:41 < _Ragnar_> arts 1.4.2 is in kde 2.4.2 directory <-- should be 3.4.2
01:56 < mnemoc> oh
03:02 * morfoh is back
03:02 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
04:03 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has quit ["Leaving"]
04:08 < Shingo--> jamin don't detect fftw3f. how to proceed, the system always was discovered the decencies?
04:13 < mnemoc> Shingo--: see how should we tell it where fftw3f is, and improve jamin.conf to give it that info
04:15 < Shingo--> i know where is, on package fftw3, i don't have pasted right.
04:16 < mnemoc> then remove the trailing f on my line and do that
04:18 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
04:39 < Shingo--> I don't understand.
04:50 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has joined #t2
05:01 < Shingo--> http://www.mercadedepublicidade.com.br/~shingo/t2-system/
05:23 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.247.177] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
05:30 < Shingo--> mnemoc: i'm try to run a image in vmware, no success. can you help me?
05:31 < Shingo--> the system stop on first screen.
05:48 < _Ragnar_> anyone have any reservations about updating valgrind to 3.0.0 ?
06:22 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
06:31 < Shingo--> I cant reach 2 stage of installation.
06:31 < _Ragnar_> stage 2?
06:39 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.224.247.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
09:37 < rxr> re
09:46 < morfoh> moin rxr :)
09:46 < morfoh> rxr: hope you slept well
10:03 < rxr> yes - thanks
10:03 < Shingo--> moin, can somebody help me?
10:12 < morfoh> moin Shingo-- what problem do you have ?
10:12 < Shingo--> the install, I don't reach stage 2.
10:20 < Shingo--> after make ISOs images, I will go to run a install in vmware it's don't works
10:22 < morfoh> Shingo--: do you used "-mkdebug" option while running .Create-ISO ?
10:23 < morfoh> Shingo--: btw, I've never used it so far on vmware ... if -mkdebug isn't solving your problem, please add ticket in trac
10:35 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
10:36 < karasz> rise and shine :D
10:36 < karasz> hello guys and a very good morning to you all
10:36 < morfoh> moin karasz
10:37 < karasz> good morning mr. morfoh :D
10:37 < karasz> how are you today?
10:38 < morfoh> karasz: good ... but I'm a bit in a hurry :D
10:38 < karasz> at this hour in the morning?
10:39 < karasz> hurry is not good for your health :)
10:55 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BED91A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
11:11 < valentin> moin
11:12 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
11:26 < karasz> moin everyone
11:27 < karasz> guys i have new info on i810 and agpgart file
11:27 < karasz> thare is an agpgart device file but is located in `/dev/misc/agpgart`
11:28 < karasz> somehow a symlink must be created from `/dev/misc/agpgart` to `/dev/agpgart`
11:28 < karasz> at boot time
11:28 < karasz> anyone has an ideea how?
11:34 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
11:36 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF9319.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
11:41 < Shingo--> the install system try access /dev/cdroms/cdrom0:2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/2nd_stage.tar.gz and follows error occurs:
11:41 < Shingo--> Extracting 2nd_stage filesystem to ram ...
11:41 < Shingo--> Can't run tar on 2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/2nd_stage.tar.gz!
11:41 < Shingo--> Can't find /mnt_root/linuxrc!
11:41 < Shingo--> after redraw menu. :(
11:45 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2
11:45 < morfoh> re hi
11:46 < karasz> re hi morfoh
11:46 < morfoh> hey karasz
11:47 < karasz> morfof: did you do a scroll to see messages?
11:47 < morfoh> nope
11:47 < karasz> guys i have new info on i810 and agpgart file
11:47 < karasz> thare is an agpgart device file but is located in `/dev/misc/agpgart`
11:47 < karasz> somehow a symlink must be created from `/dev/misc/agpgart` to `/dev/agpgart`
11:48 < karasz> at boot time
11:48 < karasz> anyone has an ideea how?
11:48 < morfoh> karasz: what how ? creating a symlink ?
11:48 < karasz> automaticaly at boot time
11:49 < karasz> a symlink like @mouse for example
11:49 < karasz> i know how to create symlincs but manualy
11:49 < morfoh> karasz: I guess you're using rc2 so most probably your /dev is populated by devfs
11:50 < karasz> yes
11:50 < karasz> devfs
11:50 < morfoh> karasz: I don't know exactly how do it. Did you filed a ticket yet ?
11:51 < karasz> i talked some time ago with mnemoc and i filled a ticket
11:51 < karasz> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/57
11:51 < morfoh> karasz: ah ok. good :)
11:51 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF9211.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
11:52 < karasz> but then i didn't noticed `/dev/misc/agpgart`
11:57 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178147216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
11:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
11:57 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Thu Aug 4 00:27:40 2005]
11:57 [Users #t2]
11:57 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[U2]]
11:57 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin ]
11:57 [ dsoul ] [ keinek] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ Shingo--]
11:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
11:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
11:57 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
11:57 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 15 secs
11:59 < karasz> updated ticket #57 if anyone cares :)
12:08 -!- rxr [rene@e178165241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
12:14 < morfoh> karasz: == 08/04/05 12:14:11 =[9]=> Finished building package smb4k.
12:37 < CIA-9> chris * r10813 /trunk/package/kde/smb4k/ (. smb4k.desc): * added smb4k (0.6.1)
12:58 < rxr_> re
12:58 < rxr_> valentin: around?
12:58 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:59 < morfoh> wb rxr
13:00 < valentin> rxr: yes ?
13:01 < morfoh> moin don valentino :)
13:03 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
13:04 < rxr> valentin: hi
13:04 < rxr> valentin: my new display arrived
13:04 < rxr> if you like we could also come earlier - like 3 or 4 for tea ... ,-)
13:08 < karasz> morfoh: i saw you added the package
13:08 < karasz> it works? ;)
13:09 < karasz> i mean it can fins smbmount and smbumount?
13:09 < karasz> fins-find
13:09 < morfoh> yep ...
13:10 < karasz> from my experience it builds but it cannot find those files unless you patch smb4k_mount and smb4k_umount
13:10 < morfoh> it works quite accurate here at work :)
13:10 < morfoh> and it was really no problem to add
13:10 < karasz> hmmmm
13:10 < karasz> yea i know:)
13:10 < morfoh> no custom conf file needed just a desc file
13:10 < morfoh> so you see the power of t2 ;)
13:11 < morfoh> karasz: have fun while browsing your smb shares :)
13:11 < karasz> maybe it was a problem of $PATH for me...
13:11 < morfoh> karasz: the best thing is to take a look in similar packages ;)
13:11 < karasz> smbc for example
13:11 < morfoh> no
13:12 < morfoh> kde packages
13:13 < karasz> but i do not understand.... smb4k has hardcoded path to find smbmount and smbumount
13:13 < karasz> how does it find thoose on your machine?
13:13 < karasz> `/opt/samba/bin` is not in those hardcoded path
13:14 < karasz> ?)
13:14 < karasz> :?
13:19 < morfoh> karasz: take a look into the smb4k.desk
13:19 < morfoh> karasz: there is a line "[O] . $base/package/*/*/kde-conf.in"
13:20 < karasz> i saw that
13:20 < morfoh> karasz: this will "inherit" the kde configuration paths
13:20 < karasz> ahm
13:20 < karasz> ok
13:20 < morfoh> karasz: and the t2 build system very smart to inject it in i.e. Makefiles etc.
13:20 < karasz> but there is a problem though
13:20 < karasz> :)
13:21 < morfoh> what
13:21 < karasz> i have smb4k running on my T2 machine for 5 days now
13:21 < morfoh> karasz: and now ?
13:21 < morfoh> karasz: what's the problem ?
13:21 < karasz> my goal was to learn how to add pack to T2
13:21 < karasz> not to have the work done by you.. :)
13:22 < morfoh> karasz: of course but that why I explain it quite detailed ;)
13:22 < karasz> i wish to learn how to build .desc files
13:22 < morfoh> karasz: it's sooooooo easy
13:22 < morfoh> take a look in the t2 handbook
13:22 < morfoh> and in other packages
13:22 < karasz> ok i will
13:23 < karasz> :)
13:23 < karasz> i do not want you to get in trouble...
13:23 < karasz> so we'll talk latter
13:23 < morfoh> mostly all packages with a default install routine "configure, make, make install" will just need a desc file
13:23 < morfoh> or just a conf file which changes the install prefix
13:24 < morfoh> take a look into apach.conf ... it
13:24 < morfoh> 's a good example for different things you can do with t2
13:24 < morfoh> for building a package
13:26 < karasz> tar.bz2 is ok or it must be tar.gz?
13:28 < morfoh> karasz: t2 will convert tar.gz automatically to tar.bz2
13:28 < morfoh> tgz -> tbz2
13:28 < morfoh> take look into the handboo please :)
13:28 < karasz> so tar.bz2 is even better since it not get converted
13:28 < karasz> ok ok
13:28 < morfoh> yep
13:28 < karasz> rtfm for me :) i get it
13:29 < morfoh> karasz: I avoid to say rtfm anyway ... but sometimes is useful to read :)
13:29 < karasz> :D
13:29 < karasz> but you know mw by now.... i must talk first cause i am a parrot :D :D
13:32 < valentin> rxr: then you'd better come 15:30
13:43 < rxr> re
13:44 < rxr> well - now susan decided to leave it with 18.xx and go to the postammer platz with her mother ... - so we come 18.xx
13:44 < rxr> sorry for teh confusion ,-)
13:56 -!- root [~root@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
13:56 < root> yabadabadoo
13:56 < root> konversation works
13:56 -!- root [~root@80.97.102.202] has quit [Client Quit]
13:57 < rxr> valentin: ouhm - well, ... - after the usual phoning with parents we decided to come at 15.30 and visit susan's mom thereafter ..
13:57 < rxr> what a chaos today
13:58 < morfoh> rxr: poor guy :)
13:58 < rxr> yeah ...
13:58 < rxr> nice display I have now ,-)
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: what model ?
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: and what about your CRT ?
14:00 < morfoh> rxr: what's the current price ? ;)
14:00 < rxr> all will be trashed or ebay'ed ...
14:00 < rxr> morfoh: I have an more expensive one now ...
14:00 < rxr> ViewSonic VP 912s
14:00 < morfoh> rxr: what model ?
14:00 < morfoh> ah :)
14:00 < rxr> 45x EUR usually
14:01 < morfoh> 19"
14:01 < morfoh> my 21" CRT is also a CRT
14:02 < rxr> CRT is a CRT ?
14:02 < rxr> heae ?
14:03 < morfoh> oops
14:04 < morfoh> a ViewSonic I mean :)
14:04 < morfoh> with Trinitron
14:04 < morfoh> but indeed your Display is very nice :)
14:06 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:25 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2
14:27 < Shingo--> hi, I can't run install. the files in /bin/ don't work in initrd env.
14:27 < Shingo--> there a quick way to investigate cd?
14:27 < Shingo--> I have tried in vmware and outside.
14:35 < rxr> Shingo--: best outline your problems in a mail to the mailing list - so someone can review
14:37 < Shingo--> I want to start use T2 based system. and that stop me.
14:37 < Shingo--> ok, I'll post after in mailing list.
14:49 < morfoh> Shingo--: what release do you use ?
14:49 < Shingo--> 2.1.0-rc3
14:49 < morfoh> Shingo--: and on what host OS do you building on ?
14:50 < morfoh> Shingo--: I mean, what linux distribution
14:50 < Shingo--> Gentoo, the system has build everything.
14:50 < rxr> ah - I thought he has install problems ...
14:50 < Shingo--> but, cd is not ok.
14:51 < rxr> so - cu - /we off to valentin & kerstin
14:51 < morfoh> rxr: cu ... greetings to valentin and his family :)
14:52 < morfoh> Shingo--: what target did you build
14:52 < morfoh> ?
14:53 < Shingo--> bootdisk and desktop.
14:53 < morfoh> Shingo--: what arch and optimization do you want ?
14:53 < Shingo--> x86/athlon-xp
14:53 < morfoh> http://torrent.t2-project.org/
14:54 < morfoh> I've build an athlon-xp optimized desktop
14:54 < morfoh> and you can download it there
14:55 < morfoh> Shingo--: do you wanna give it a try ?
14:55 < Shingo--> but, the problem still remain.
14:55 < Shingo--> I'll try it.
14:55 < morfoh> Shingo--: did you tested my ISO's ?
14:56 < Shingo--> not yet.
14:57 < morfoh> Shingo--: I don't know what the problem is. It could be even some drivers problem if you have some special hardware
14:57 < morfoh> Shingo--: i.e. IDE chipsets or so
14:57 < Shingo--> for example, i can't run /bin/tar in install environment.
14:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: hmmm. that's strange
14:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: you can even try the minimal athlon-xp first
14:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: to see if this will work
14:58 < Shingo--> I don't nothing about kiss.
14:59 < morfoh> Shingo--: then you don't have to download the 1GB just the 144MB of the minimal targetz
14:59 < Shingo--> ok.
15:01 < morfoh> Shingo--: please feel free to contact me in any case regarding the ISO's
15:02 < Shingo--> I have mounted the initrd image, the image look seems ok.
15:05 < morfoh> Shingo--: the bootdisk target will be dropped soon anyway
15:06 < Shingo--> I have no need this target?
15:06 < morfoh> Shingo--: it make no sense anymore because we've a livecd framework which can be used for the install media
15:07 < Shingo--> Creating initrd data:
15:07 < Shingo--> -> Create linuxrc binary.
15:07 < Shingo--> linuxrc.o(.text+0x33f): In function `httpload':
15:07 < Shingo--> linuxrc.c: warning: warning: your code uses stdio (7+k bloat).
15:07 < Shingo--> linuxrc.o(.text+0x40f):linuxrc.c: warning: setenv calls malloc. Avoid it in small programs.
15:07 < Shingo--> /home/shingo/t2-2.1/build/bootdisk-2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/usr/dietlibc/lib-i386/libc.a(vsnprintf.o)(.text+0xbf): In function `vsnprintf':
15:07 < Shingo--> vsnprintf.c: warning: warning: the printf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
15:07 < Shingo--> /home/shingo/t2-2.1/build/bootdisk-2.1.0-rc3-x86-athlon-xp-bootdisk/usr/dietlibc/lib-i386/libc.a(vsscanf.o)(.text+0x6e): In function `vsscanf':
15:07 < Shingo--> vsscanf.c: warning: warning: the scanf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
15:07 < Shingo--> -> Copy various helper applications.
15:07 < Shingo--> -> Adding kiss shell for expert use to the initrd image.
15:07 < morfoh> Shingo--: no! atm you'll need it for creating a bootable cd
15:07 < Shingo--> ok.
15:08 < morfoh> Shingo--: these are "just" warnings of dietlibc
15:08 < Shingo--> ok
15:13 < Shingo--> I think I know the problem.
15:13 < Shingo--> is Dietlibc used in bootdisk?
15:13 < morfoh> Shingo--: yes ... partially
15:14 < morfoh> Shingo--: bootdisk is really a mess and we've to get rid of it as soon as possible
15:15 < Shingo--> hehehe, but a have put in pkgsel from targetr desktop "- dietlibc", isn't this the problem?
15:22 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2
15:23 < keinek> hi
15:23 < veki> hi
15:23 < morfoh> Shingo--: no ... this isn't the problem
15:23 < morfoh> hi keinek
15:23 < veki> hi morfoh
15:23 < morfoh> hey vamp :)
15:23 < veki> hey rabbit owner :)
15:24 < morfoh> veki: btw, I don't "own" a rabbit
15:24 < veki> OK, but you do have it ?
15:24 < veki> or rabbit master?
15:25 < morfoh> veki: nope
15:25 < mnemoc> the rabbit owns him
15:25 < veki> ok, rabbit fun
15:25 < veki> :)
15:25 < morfoh> veki: I'd say a rabbit is sharing his room with me ... isn't he graceful :)
15:26 < morfoh> hey mnemoc ... suggar boy :)
15:26 < veki> ah, yes that is cool
15:26 < veki> btw, I have one question which is maybe conceptual
15:26 < mnemoc> :)
15:26 < veki> I am building desktop target and I have on that machine soething like 184MB RAM etc.
15:27 < veki> swap is approx 320 or so...
15:28 < veki> When I am building target it happens that I have error message that cc1plus program does have error. rene said that it i sdue to lack of memory for kernel and really in var.log.warn it is that message
15:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop
15:28 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-desktop:
15:28 < mnemoc> 677 builds total, 282 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:28 < veki> So my questions/dilemmas are:
15:29 < veki> 1. Should we put in manula that minimum of swap is let say 450 megs
15:29 < veki> 2. how to enlarge swap without using third party software?
15:29 < veki> 3. Is it really needed to have so big swap
15:30 < mnemoc> veki: you need a better machine to do your builds :)
15:31 < veki> mnemoc: I know that, but I am trying to be more practical or to be more accessible by average users. Actually, my idea is to think do we have place in modest areas of use
15:31 < veki> I can put that swap is 1GB if needed, but we have to put that in manual so people should know that
15:32 < mnemoc> veki: you can add a new swap partition or enlarge your current
15:33 < morfoh> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop-p4
15:33 < morfoh> Error logs from desktop-p4-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-desktop:
15:33 < morfoh> 677 builds total, 120 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: monster is late
15:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: news about rene and the new HD?
15:34 < mnemoc> veki: you can reach modest areas with pre-built distributions, not really as your head quarter
15:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: monster hung 2 time :/
15:35 < morfoh> times
15:35 < mnemoc> :(
15:35 < morfoh> should I stop
15:35 < morfoh> and starting a minimal ?
15:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: ok
15:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: roger that commander :)
15:35 < mnemoc> veki: but you can use parted to resize your partitions and free space
15:36 < veki> mnemoc: uhm, that is easy to say. if I use cfdsik I do have problems. If I use parted than I have to umount partitions etc.
15:37 < veki> I am trying to find elegant solution that will be part of t2 itself or documentation. I do not have problem saying in manula that swap should be 600megs. That is fine, but we have to put that.
15:37 < veki> my idea is that 2 should be from the point of software and documentation sufficient enough so the users should have enough instructions
15:38 < mnemoc> veki: lvm2 is a good alternative, but you always need to umount before resizing
15:38 < veki> if I use fdsik it is it seems to be unreliable and I do have a lot of problems. I have to check that. Actually, I know how to do that. I am looking for solution that will be elegant and well documented. I hope you understand what I say
15:39 < veki> fdsik=cfdisk
15:41 < veki> my idea is to put t2 close to average user that can read manual and take all precautions on time and be ready for target building. I do not speak on double processor machines and fast target building. I speak on people who do not need 10 targets per week. I speak on ordinary people who would like to enjoy freedom of free software and build targets according to their needs and to train...
15:41 < veki> ...local people how to do that thanking to t2. OK?
15:42 < veki> so my questions are not purely technical. I am trying to think in social terms too, from the point of view of communication (written manual) and simple to use tools
15:43 < mnemoc> what are the 'specs' of your target people?
15:44 < veki> asociation of the blind, independent media, cultural organisations of minority people, etc.
15:45 < veki> they do not need to be always very fast, they do need proper guidelines and easy manamgement of tools including scripts athat are very powerfull
15:45 < mnemoc> can't they affort _1_ decent home computer to do their builds?
15:45 < mnemoc> read decent as: 512 of RAM, more than 700Mhz, 30G of HD?
15:47 < veki> usually, they can but in many cases the can't. Iti s not problem to have 512megs ofram, it is only needed that they should know how much swap they should allocate. I am looking how to do screenshots of installation screens so I can write maunal for that
15:47 < veki> average is 450 Mhz, 40 GB HD, 128 0r 256 megs of RAM
15:48 < mnemoc> 1G is safe i would say
15:48 < mnemoc> of swap
15:49 < veki> however, it is not needed to be fast. If server or router is finished during the weekend, that is OK. If desktop is finished in 7 days that is OK. ONly iti s needed to write proper guidance so they know what to do
15:49 < mnemoc> some kde packages, and OOo and mozila-family are monster packages
15:49 < veki> OK, so we can recommend 1G of RAM that i sfine . If we put that in manual they will respect that and we will explain why is that so :_
15:49 < veki> :)
15:50 < veki> 1g of swap is OK, but we have to put that exactly in manual
15:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: I thought 1GB of swap is senseless
15:51 < veki> ok, what is really needed size of swap?
15:51 < morfoh> the old rule swap = 2 * RAM doesn't apply anymore
15:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: or what do you think?
15:52 < mnemoc> morfoh: he has 128-256 of ram
15:52 < veki> so what is the real requirement. users will do what we put in manual.
15:52 < mnemoc> mnemoc: do you think he could build a full desktop with less memory?
15:53 < morfoh> less than 512MB isn't fun anyway
15:53 < mnemoc> s/mnemoc/morfoh/
15:53 < morfoh> :)
15:53 < veki> hd space is not problem usually, so swap size is not an issue, but we have to tell that to the users
15:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm your clone :)
15:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have failed due to memory with 512 + 1024
15:53 < veki> uhm..
15:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: really ? what was wroing ?
15:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: kdesomething
15:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: why did it failed ?
15:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: 100% of memory usage and build frozen
15:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's not accaptable ...
15:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: and that wasn't a leak, jsaw had success with more memory
15:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: of course not, kde stinks
15:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: pfff...kde crap
15:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have do builds on veki-like machines, but servers or routers, never Xorg
15:56 < veki> yes, I have had the same probelm, kde apps are eating swap
15:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: and even that was a pain
15:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can imagine
15:57 < veki> mnemosyne was built for let say 36 hours...
15:57 < morfoh> veki: damn
15:57 < veki> I have to go now cu this evening...
15:57 < morfoh> it builds on a moderate P4 in less than 12h here I think
15:57 < morfoh> cu
15:57 < mnemoc> i joined rock with a p200/128 :) that why mnemosyne born
15:57 < veki> 36 hours for modest people is nothing . They make one server target in 2 years, since they do not need more
15:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: :D
15:58 < veki> bye, cyu this evening
15:58 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 []
15:58 < keinek> ?
15:59 < keinek> t2 is t2.... Just Do it! right?
16:00 < morfoh> keinek: what do you mean with t2 is t2 ?
16:01 < keinek> a way to say "dont break my balls"
16:01 < mnemoc> /.*/ p;
16:01 < morfoh> keinek: we can't break your balls anyway ... you shouldn't watch that much p0rn :)
16:02 < keinek> :)
16:02 < keinek> i know that veki want do something.
16:03 < morfoh> keinek: what he wants to do ?
16:03 < keinek> When i wanna have my own target, i work a lot, with the help of us, now i have my own target :)
16:03 < keinek> i just start... is the first step.
16:03 < keinek> but viking dont do that first step.
16:05 < keinek> t2 for everybody, is very dificult.
16:06 < keinek> a good idea is a Emerge System like debian.
16:07 < keinek> download the .gem automatic than compile, and of course recursive.
16:08 < keinek> for example, open office take a lot of time of compilation, so... that is a excelent package for emerge from web in .gem format.
16:08 < morfoh> keinek: ack. but it makes no sense for bashing veki if he isn't here, even if it's smart bashing
16:08 < mnemoc> Emerge is for building, another tool to fetch prebuilt packages from the place choose by your target maintainer is also needed
16:08 < morfoh> keinek: just talk to him "face to face" and ask him why he isn't starting
16:09 < keinek> right morfoh
16:09 < morfoh> keinek: and sharing knowledge and smartly forcing him to start
16:09 < keinek> i tell him that read the log :P
16:09 < morfoh> that's my opinion and at least my last 2 cents for the next 2h
16:09 < keinek> do you know that google have all log?
16:10 < morfoh> of course
16:10 < keinek> "no more secrets" :D
16:10 < morfoh> keinek: what the h*ll you're thinking I am ? :p
16:10 < mnemoc> morfoh
16:10 < morfoh> yep
16:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: what's up
16:11 < keinek> mnemoc, another package need the system that know the depend.
16:11 < mnemoc> morfoh is morfoh
16:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: that could be true
16:11 < morfoh> :p
16:11 < keinek> yes. is true
16:11 < keinek> mnemoc is mnemoc
16:11 < mnemoc> keinek: we know the build time dependencies
16:12 < keinek> now i building a generic t2.
16:12 < keinek> :)
16:13 < keinek> what is "bashing"?
16:13 < keinek> is like "basura" in spanish?
16:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: I started the minimal-p4
16:15 < mnemoc> keinek: it could be like 'basurear'... but i prefer 'calumniar'
16:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: boot built fine?
16:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep
16:15 < keinek> oh sh*T! i dont wanna bashing veki
16:16 < keinek> oh sh*t again!
16:16 < morfoh> keinek: I know
16:16 < keinek> i confusing veki with viking
16:16 < keinek> sorry
16:16 < keinek> sorry sorry sorry.
16:16 < morfoh> keinek: but it's not smart talking about while they aren't here
16:16 < morfoh> so anyway
16:16 < morfoh> bye bye
16:16 < mnemoc> cu morfoh
16:16 < morfoh> cu later
16:16 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has left #t2 []
16:16 < keinek> i am sorry i thing that veki was viking, and just looking a solution, i dont want bashing anybody.
16:17 < keinek> :(
16:17 < keinek> a bad day is starting ...
16:17 < keinek> and my english dont help me.
16:17 < mnemoc> keinek: officially 'to bash' is to hit strongly
16:18 < keinek> sorry too many words that i dont know.
16:18 < keinek> "oficialmente "to bash" is el mejor ...?
16:19 < mnemoc> keinek: hit=golpear
16:19 < keinek> i understand.
16:20 < keinek> but i dont wanna that, i do a mistake.
17:48 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.81.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
17:54 -!- sepp__ [~sepp@p213.54.214.151.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
17:54 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.81.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
18:11 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.202.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
18:51 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has left #t2 []
18:51 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
19:20 < karasz> guys what is exactly the --enable-final switch in kde-conf.in?
19:20 < mnemoc> no idea
19:21 < mnemoc> i assume something to remove extra debugging stuff
19:21 < karasz> hmmm
19:21 < _Ragnar_> re
19:21 < karasz> i have a package that builds fine on my t2 box without that switch
19:21 < _Ragnar_> any mono specialist here?:)
19:21 < karasz> but with that switch it fails to build
19:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i haven't used it in more than a year
19:24 < karasz> mnemoc:
19:24 < karasz> As the developers cannot really use --enable-final, it gets easily broken. So please try to compile without --enable-final
19:24 < karasz> from koffice faq
19:25 < mnemoc> karasz: rene is kde maintainer, ask him why :)
19:25 < karasz> i will after i tested some more that matter :)
19:37 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BEB393.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
19:37 < morfoh> re hi
19:38 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
19:39 < morfoh> hi mnemoc
19:42 < karasz> huhu morfoh
19:43 < karasz> wellcome back :D
19:43 < morfoh> huhu karasz :)
19:43 < karasz> it should read `huhu to you too` isn't it?
19:44 < sepp__> `huhu to you too` - -bash: huhu: command not found
19:44 < sepp__> tideli
19:44 -!- sepp__ is now known as sepp
19:45 < karasz> mnemoc: if you are interested i found what that switch does
19:46 < mnemoc> karasz: tell us
19:46 < karasz> http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kde/kde20010615_14.html#5
19:47 < morfoh> hi sepp
19:47 < sepp> hi morfoh
19:48 < karasz> morfoh: i have news for you :)
19:49 < sepp> any one knows how i get a 4.2gb file on a dvdr, no please don't say split
19:51 < morfoh> karasz: what kind of news
19:51 < karasz> T2 has a very brand new package called Konversation
19:51 < karasz> sepp: tried overburn?
19:52 -!- karasz [~karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050727]"]
19:56 -!- karasz [~root@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2
19:58 < karasz> morfoh: what should I send to the ML?
19:59 < karasz> i have 2 files a .desc and a .conf
19:59 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:00 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:00 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
20:01 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.70] has quit ["leaving"]
20:02 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:02 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:03 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
20:03 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.70] has joined #t2
20:04 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:04 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:06 < mnemoc> vilkacis: list topic
20:11 < valentin> hi
20:11 < valentin> who is vilkacis and why is he op ?
20:14 < mnemoc> a bot
20:14 < mnemoc> i'm playing with
20:14 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic
20:15 < mnemoc> arg
20:15 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
20:16 < karasz> morfoh: still around?
20:19 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:19 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:33 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10814 /trunk/package/network/tcp_wrappers/tcp_wrappers.conf: * tcp_wrappers: added -fPIC to fix linking on x86_64, shouldn't hurt other platforms
20:34 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10815 /trunk/package/filesystem/siefs/siefs.conf: * siefs: fix Makefile to build with lib64
20:35 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't we have a flag for -fPIC ?
20:36 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10816 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libxml/perl-libxml.conf:
20:36 < CIA-9> * perl-libxml: add -L/lib64 and -L/usr/lib64 to MakeMaker LIBS for x86_64.
20:36 < CIA-9> This screams for a more general fix.
20:37 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: didn't work in this case I think
20:37 < mnemoc> why?
20:37 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
20:37 < _Ragnar_> this seems to be a special issue with _64, too ... this packages compile and link fine without -fPIC on _32
20:37 < minto> moin
20:38 < _Ragnar_> where would this flag be?
20:39 < mnemoc> [F]
20:39 < _Ragnar_> what does it do? O_O
20:40 < mnemoc> minto: what FPIC_QUICK flag does?
20:40 < minto> mnemoc: I have no clue :)
20:41 < _Ragnar_> I don't see this flag used anywhere in ./scripts
20:42 < mnemoc> # grep FPIC misc/share/PKG-FLAGS
20:42 < mnemoc> FPIC-QUIRK Packages which do not use -fPIC correctly and brake on certain
20:43 < _Ragnar_> yes, that's documentation ... but it doesn't actually do anything
20:43 < _Ragnar_> at least not that I see
20:44 < mnemoc> # grep FPIC-QUIRK package/*/*/parse-config*
20:44 < mnemoc> package/base/gcc/parse-config:[ "$desc_F" != "${desc_F/FPIC-QUIRK}" ] && var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-fPIC'
20:46 < _Ragnar_> aahh ok
20:46 < mnemoc> vilkacis: topic
20:46 < _Ragnar_> duh ... that's the last place where I'd have looked
20:46 < mnemoc> :)
20:46 < mnemoc> imagine the mess if we hardcode those flags on scripts/Build-Pkg
20:46 < _Ragnar_> but ... this means, add the -fPIC unless this flag is used, or?
20:48 < _Ragnar_> and that didn't seem to work in this case
20:48 < karasz> moin minto
20:49 < minto> hi karasz
20:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: that's a trick
20:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: is desc_F does _change_ if you remove FPIC-QUIRK string
20:49 < _Ragnar_> uh ouch
20:50 < _Ragnar_> bash magic ;PPP
20:50 < mnemoc> :)
20:50 < mnemoc> that's the way to see if something contains another thing
20:50 < _Ragnar_> black magic ;p
20:51 < mnemoc> :)
20:51 < _Ragnar_> do we have a flag for 'fix MakeMaker broken pathness', too?
20:51 < mnemoc> not yet :)
20:53 < CIA-9> ragnar * r10817 /trunk/package/network/tcp_wrappers/ (tcp_wrappers.conf tcp_wrappers.desc): * tcp_wrappers: removed -fPIC patch and added FPIC-QUIRK flag to description ;)
20:54 < _Ragnar_> :D
20:55 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
20:57 < karasz> mnemoc: i sent a mail to ML i wonder if it is the propper way for that situation
20:58 < mnemoc> karasz: ML is always the proper way :)
20:58 < karasz> i was reffering to the mail format, it has diff inline and attached
20:58 < karasz> which sould I use from now on?
20:59 < mnemoc> minute
20:59 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
20:59 < minto> karasz: seems like your prefix is hardcoded
20:59 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
20:59 < minto> Do you want the same prefix as kde?
21:00 < karasz> yes
21:00 < karasz> but i cannot use kde-conf.in
21:01 < mnemoc> karasz: comments: [D] checksum is missing, use pkgprefix to get the prefix of other package, O pacakges are only packages which makes troubles on generic
21:02 < karasz> kde-conf.in uses --eanble-final which break konversation for some reason that is beyond my comprehension
21:03 < karasz> i know checksum is missing, but i do not know how to create checksum :(
21:03 < minto> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch
21:03 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
21:04 < karasz> so i should use X not O?
21:04 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
21:04 < _Ragnar_> you can remove the --enable-final afterwards again
21:04 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
21:04 < mnemoc> karasz: and use kde-conf.in but var_remove --eanble-final on your .conf
21:04 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
21:05 < minto> karasz: My preliminary package update document also describes how to set the proper checksum
21:09 < _Ragnar_> can I tell the wrapper somehow to s#opt/postgresql/lib#opt/postgresql/lib64# ?
21:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: libdir=$prefix/lib64 ?
21:10 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: but yes, you can do that on install_wrapper
21:10 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2
21:11 < minto> howdy madtux
21:11 < mnemoc> hi madtux
21:12 < _Ragnar_> how so?
21:12 < minto> morfoh ping
21:12 < _Ragnar_> this package only has --with-postgresql= , not --with-postgresql-libdir=
21:12 < mnemoc> var_append INSTALL_WRAPPER_FILTER "|" "sed -e 's,usr/include/.*\.h,tmp/weg.h,'"
21:13 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."]
21:13 < _Ragnar_> that's for install isn't it?
21:14 < mnemoc> yes
21:14 < mnemoc> what do you want?
21:14 < _Ragnar_> don't want that
21:14 < mnemoc> gcc -L ?
21:14 < _Ragnar_> package wants -lpq
21:14 < _Ragnar_> yes
21:14 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
21:14 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
21:14 < mnemoc> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' -L$( pkgprefix libdir postgresl )
21:14 < _Ragnar_> gcc currently gets -L/opt/postgresql/lib ... I want to transform that into -L/opt/postgresql/lib64
21:15 < mnemoc> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE
21:15 < mnemoc> remove the wrong, append the good
21:15 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Client Quit]
21:17 < _Ragnar_> :) ok thanks
21:18 < madtux> hello guys
21:18 < mnemoc> hello codetux
21:18 < _Ragnar_> hey hey
21:19 -!- vilkacis [~supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2
21:19 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ
21:21 < _Ragnar_> uhm!
21:22 < _Ragnar_> ERROR: No configuration 'default' found!
21:22 < _Ragnar_> the config is there and worked up to 2 min ago
21:22 < _Ragnar_> wtf? O_O
21:23 < _Ragnar_> I can't run more then one Build-Target at the same time any more? O_O
21:26 < minto> Oeps my other box is nearly out of space :( and not even halfway 2.2 reference build
21:26 < minto> Error logs from trunkref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-generic:
21:26 < minto> [5] x86/cpuburn [5] security/botan
21:26 < minto> [5] network/quagga [5] network/zebra
21:27 < minto> [5] graphic/pdftk [5] multimedia/xvidcap
21:27 < minto> [5] network/dansguardian [5] network/knetconf
21:27 < minto> [5] mail/courier-authlib [5] gnome2/gst-editor
21:27 < minto> [5] gnome2/gst-plugins
21:27 < minto> 1755 builds total, 808 completed fine, 11 with errors.
21:27 < mnemoc> if you have the _luck_ of getting it running Config in parallel you are doomed
21:27 < _Ragnar_> quagga duplicate files?
21:27 < mnemoc> morfoh: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop
21:27 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium4-desktop:
21:27 < mnemoc> 677 builds total, 381 completed fine, 0 with errors.
21:27 < _Ragnar_> no not Config, just Build-Target ... Config trashes stuff ;p
21:28 < mnemoc> Build-Target calls Build-Tools which calls Config when needed
21:28 < _Ragnar_> oops ;)
21:28 < mnemoc> :)
21:28 < _Ragnar_> btw, Config trashing stuff is EEEEEVVIL!
21:29 < mnemoc> did you read "How Config works?" on trac?
21:29 < mnemoc> still WIP btw
21:30 < _Ragnar_> no
21:30 < _Ragnar_> maybe I should ;)
21:32 * minto starts to stare at the screen doing nothing. I think I am sleepy.
21:32 < _Ragnar_> :)
21:33 < minto> can't think and type anymore, I am off to bed. See you guys some other time. bzzzzzz bzzzzz
21:33 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"]
21:34 < _Ragnar_> nini sleep well
21:34 < _Ragnar_> ;p
21:39 < karasz> i made all the recomandation you asked
21:39 < karasz> now i do not need konversation.conf because i put that in konversation.desc
21:39 < karasz> i will ML :)
21:41 < mnemoc> karasz: var_remove on .desc is bad practice
21:43 < karasz> :(
21:43 < karasz> but it is a practice...
21:43 < karasz> i didn't invent it
21:43 < mnemoc> :)
21:43 < karasz> so i should make a .conf?
21:44 < mnemoc> if you want to do it right, yes
21:44 < karasz> ok back to roots again :)
21:44 < karasz> at least the first should be made right. right?
21:44 < karasz> :D
21:45 < mnemoc> the source of kde-conf.in, yes
21:45 < mnemoc> because it define inherance
21:46 < karasz> so kde-conf.in goes in desc and remove in .conf?
21:46 < mnemoc> .oO( yuck... what ugly concept have i introduced on t2 )o
21:46 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
21:46 < karasz> or the whole stuff should go in .conf
21:46 < mnemoc> karasz: the inherence on .desc, and custom config on .conf
21:47 < karasz> ok
21:48 < Shingo--> I'm guess the bootdisk target is broken in 2.1.0-rc3.
21:48 < Shingo--> The minimal cd from torrent, it's ok.
21:50 < mnemoc> Shingo--: tell me more
21:51 < morfoh> Shingo--: :)
21:51 < Shingo--> the rc3 boot appears don't execute anything in "kiss".
21:51 < sepp> my rc3 bootdisk works fine in qemu
21:51 < Shingo--> I will goes to real setup, no vmware now.
21:51 < morfoh> mnemoc Shingo-- but good to know that the athlon-xp minimal is working
21:52 < Shingo--> I don't know qemu.
21:52 < Shingo--> :)
21:52 < mnemoc> Shingo--: works on ISOs but not on your build of 2.1:HEAD ?
21:52 < Shingo--> I don't understand.
21:52 < sepp> Revision: 10768
21:53 < mnemoc> i haven't changed anything on 2.1 since the tag of rc2
21:54 < sepp> ^ --- this bootdisk works fine
21:54 < Shingo--> ok, but i have tried in vmware and real test, the two don't work.
21:54 < Shingo--> the same thing occurs.
21:55 < mnemoc> Shingo--: you tried published isos or your own build?
21:55 < Shingo--> investigating, mount local of ISO nothing appears wrong.
21:55 < Shingo--> nope.
21:57 < karasz> now is korect?
21:58 < karasz> mnemoc: ? is it right this time?
21:59 < mnemoc> %topic add Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
21:59 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
21:59 < mnemoc> thanks vilkacis
22:02 < Shingo--> mnemoc: maybe I get install from minimal, after make a "mine -i *.gem"?
22:07 < mnemoc> Shingo--: what?
22:08 < karasz> mnemoc: i have to go now and i'd like to sleep with a warm and fuzzy feeling that i did something right today
22:09 < mnemoc> karasz: you forgot to X it
22:09 < Shingo--> sorry, with minimal I get a fresh install over gentoo? after may I install the system build.
22:09 < karasz> :(
22:09 < Shingo--> minimal ISO.
22:09 < mnemoc> Shingo--: mine -i *.gem installs all those .gem with DESTDIR=/
22:10 < mnemoc> Shingo--: if that is not an empty partition or a non-T2-based machine, you will be in troubles
22:10 < Shingo--> ok, how fast would be the installation that way.
22:11 < Shingo--> I have a lot of partitions :)
22:11 < Shingo--> but, I will destroy gentoo.
22:12 < karasz> now i X-ed it
22:12 < Shingo--> well, I will goes to full installation now, I will see you later.
22:13 < mnemoc> Shingo--: you can give mine the root location
22:13 < karasz> can i have my fuzzy stuff now :?
22:14 < mnemoc> karasz: are you waiting for me to commit your patch?
22:15 < karasz> no
22:15 < mnemoc> karasz: you need to be more direct :)
22:15 < Shingo--> ok. thank you.
22:15 < karasz> i just wanted to know if it is following T2 standards
22:15 < mnemoc> karasz: looks good. works?
22:16 < karasz> yes
22:16 < karasz> i am in konversation now
22:17 < karasz> it builded with no problems except that --enable-final which now is resolved
22:17 < karasz> another stuff : how should i send the mails to ML diffs inline or attached?
22:19 < karasz> guys i am realy tired so cu tomorrow
22:24 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
22:32 < rxr> re
22:33 < rxr> karasz: we do not care about inline or not
22:33 < rxr> we are not pedantic - just send it how you like
22:34 < rxr> n8 all
22:35 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
22:37 < mnemoc> karasz: send it or i'll apply the preview one :p
23:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10818 /trunk/package/x11/worker/worker.desc: * updated worker (2.10.0 -> 2.10.2)
23:57 < sepp> someone knows why ^ has "[P] O" ?
--- Log closed Fri Aug 05 00:00:00 2005