--- Log opened Wed Jul 27 00:00:00 2005
00:09 < CIA-9> amery * r10721 /branches/2.1/package/ (577 files in 577 dirs): * updated .cache files which got [SIZE], ERROR or [DEP] changes on my last 2.1 reference
00:09 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10722 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayerplug-in/mplayerplug-in.desc: * updated mplayerplug-in (2.80 -> 2.85)
00:10 < mnemoc> finally
00:14 < morfoh> :D
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01:28 < CIA-9> amery * r10723 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.conf: * fixed typo on whois.conf which make it not install the files (issue #27)
01:42 < CIA-9> amery * r10724 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.conf: * cleaned whois to use $bindir and $mandir
01:52 < CIA-9> amery * r10725 /branches/2.1/package/network/whois/whois.conf: * merged 10723,10724 from trunk: fixed typo on whois.conf which make it not install the files (close #27), and cleanup.
02:17 < Shingo--> I can't still resolve the problem about don't build automake.
02:17 < Shingo--> anyone remember the problem?
02:19 < mnemoc> nope
02:22 < morfoh> Shingo--: did you added an issue on trac ?
02:23 < Shingo--> sorry, I'm try to find more information about the problem, and I don't have much time to do this.
02:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: it's a gentoo host
02:24 < Shingo--> I'm try on ubuntu Hoary too.
02:25 < Shingo--> maybe there's a bug in autoconf.
02:25 < mnemoc> we build autoconf on stage 0
02:25 < Shingo--> or m4
02:26 < Shingo--> the problem occur in stage 3.
02:26 < mnemoc> uhm
02:26 < mnemoc> can you publish the errorlog?
02:27 < morfoh> Shingo--: please try to add an issue on trac ... it will cost you about 2 minutes
02:27 < mnemoc> ack
02:28 < Shingo--> I will. :-)
02:28 < morfoh> Shingo--: http://trac.t2-project,org :)
02:28 < Shingo--> what errorlog? config.log?
02:28 < morfoh> Shingo--: first add the issue and ave it. after that attach the error.log
02:29 < morfoh> save
02:29 < Shingo--> ok.
02:30 < Shingo--> the Trac don't have the right version.
02:31 < morfoh> what version ?
02:37 < morfoh> Shingo--: just add the ticket ... we can change the cersion later on
02:39 < Shingo--> ok, but I'm report about the field version. for ticket creation not really a problem.
02:39 < mnemoc> it's 2.2.0-alpha or a beta of 2.1?
02:39 < Shingo--> I have Trac here.
02:40 < Shingo--> just wait. I will finish the ticket first.
02:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you added 2.1-stable to versions list?
02:43 < mnemoc> Shingo--: can you copy from src.automake.*/ERROR-LOG the relevant error to your issue?
02:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
02:45 < Shingo--> ok.
02:45 < Shingo--> I have put one copy. 
02:46 < mnemoc> i saw the attachments... sorry
02:47 < Shingo--> https://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/52
02:48 < mnemoc> configure:2268: cd conftest && eval autoconf -o /dev/null conftest.ac
02:48 < mnemoc> NONE:0: /usr/bin/m4: `changeword' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
02:48 < mnemoc> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
02:48 < mnemoc> ^--- yuck
02:49 < morfoh> version 2.1-stable added
02:49 < mnemoc> thanks morfoh 
02:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: yaw :)
02:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: should I add rc2 too ?
02:50 < mnemoc> i prefer after release
02:51 < mnemoc> to avoid confusions
02:51 < morfoh> ok
02:51 < Shingo--> mnemoc: what does means?
02:51 < mnemoc> morfoh: i guess i'll use 2.1-stable as version instead the 'upcomming' in future
02:51 < mnemoc> or 2.1-DEV
02:51 < mnemoc> what sounds better?
02:52 < morfoh> stable sounds better ;)
02:52 < morfoh> than dev :)
02:52 < mnemoc> :)
02:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: hey ... it's our mature tree ... not trunk crap :)
02:53  * morfoh hides before rxr will slap
02:53 < morfoh> him
02:54 < mnemoc> :)
02:54 < morfoh> .oO( hopefully he will come back in a quite relaxed shape ) 
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02:55 < mnemoc> Shingo--: are you crossbuilding?
02:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've never saw this error before
02:55 < Shingo--> from one to another arch?
02:55 < Shingo--> no.
02:56 < mnemoc> did you check 'cross-build' on Config?
02:56 < Shingo--> nope.
02:57 < mnemoc> weird
02:57 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg $config -remove autoconf m4
02:57 < mnemoc> and Build-Target again please
02:58 < Shingo--> I have to check cross-build before?
02:59 < morfoh> Shingo--: normally not if yu don't build for a different arch
02:59 < Shingo--> thanks. :-)
02:59 < morfoh> Shingo--: yw
03:00 < morfoh> Shingo--:  what Arch and optimization did you selceted ?
03:01 < Shingo--> x86/athlon-xp
03:01 < morfoh> hmmm ... strange. I build a Athlon-XP target some days ago
03:02 < morfoh> Shingo--: what target ?
03:02 < Shingo--> desktop
03:03 < morfoh> ok ... guys I'll take my 3h sleep now :/
03:03 < mnemoc> gn8 morfoh 
03:04 < Shingo--> ok.
03:05 < Shingo--> a did what you tell me, the system rebuild m4 and autoconf, but don't resolve.
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03:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: NOPARALLEL issue perhaps ?
03:07 < morfoh> Shingo--: can you add "[F] NOPARALLEL" to "package/base/automake/automake.desc" and try again ?
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03:09 < morfoh> Shingo--: can you add "[F] NOPARALLEL" to "package/base/automake/automake.desc" and try again ?
03:09 < Shingo--> ok.
03:09 < morfoh> right after [C]
03:10 < morfoh> ^ anyway it doesn't matter but it looks better ;)
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03:12 < Shingo--> still does not work. :-(
03:12 < Shingo--> I have to go out there, I will came back soon.
03:13 < morfoh> cu ...
03:15 < mnemoc> i guess it can be something on your enviroment
03:17 < mnemoc> Shingo--: does env -i ./scripts/Build-Target    work?
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05:39 < Shingo--> mnemoc: are you there?
05:39 < madtux> he is always here
05:40 < Shingo--> the last command does not work too
05:40 < madtux> o cual es seu problema?
05:41 < Shingo--> are read the last messages from channel?
05:41 < madtux> eu estoy leyendo..
05:41 < madtux> wait
05:42 < Shingo--> do you speak Portuguese?
05:42 < mnemoc> :)
05:42 < keinek> voce fala portuguese madtux?
05:43 < mnemoc> .ar + .cl + .br + .cr     speaking english on a german channel
05:43 < Shingo--> heheh :-)
05:44 < mnemoc> Shingo--: did env -i work?
05:44 < Shingo--> não
05:44 < Shingo--> no.
05:44 < keinek> madtux is dancing samba in your house with a "GRAN NEGRO PINGUDO"
05:44 < keinek> :)
05:44 < madtux> sim eu falo Shingo-- 
05:44 < Shingo--> Ja percebi. :-)
05:45 < keinek> che mike, este canal se pone bonito de vez en cuando.
05:45 < madtux> mais eu tenho que falar en ingles pra tudas as outras pessoas 
05:45 < mnemoc> :)
05:45 < keinek> in english: Hey Mike, this channel is great so much of times .
05:46 < madtux> Shingo--, mmm... looks like an enviroment related error
05:46 < Shingo--> ok. :-)
05:46 < Shingo--> the problem is my english. 
05:46 < keinek> The last words... are.... you know... dont looking great.
05:46 < keinek> Shingo--, Me too!
05:46 < madtux> oh... ta bom
05:46 < keinek> Shingo--, yo tambien.
05:47 < Shingo--> posso tentar me expressar em portugues para falar do problema?
05:47 < madtux> seu problem nao es el pacote...
05:47 < madtux> sim fale..
05:48 < Shingo--> Seguinte, estou usando o gentoo para compilar o t2, ja tentei no ubuntu e da no mesmo. eu acho que pode ser a versão que estou usando na distro estou comoilando os pacote.
05:49 < madtux> mnemoc, are u understanding?
05:49 < Shingo--> no estagio 3 o sistema usa algo fora do chroot para compilar?
05:49 < Shingo--> eu ja havia passado essas infos para ele.
05:49 < mnemoc> madtux: i only understand english :)
05:50 < madtux> tudas as cosas pra compilar no estagio 3 se facen em estagio 1 e 2
05:50 < madtux> mais agora ... eu posso mira seu .err ?
05:50 < madtux> mirar*
05:50 < Shingo--> então o problema tem que ser em algum pacote ja compilado pelo t2. certo?
05:50 < mnemoc> configure:2268: cd conftest && eval autoconf -o /dev/null conftest.ac
05:50 < mnemoc> /usr/bin/m4: `changeword' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
05:50 < mnemoc> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
05:51 < Shingo--> isso.
05:51 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/52
05:51 < madtux> mmm...
05:51 < Shingo--> mnemoc: thanks.
05:51 < mnemoc> yw :)
05:53 < madtux> checking whether autoconf works... no
05:53 < madtux> configure: error: The installed version of autoconf does not work.
05:53 < madtux>     Please check config.log for error messages before this one.
05:53 < Shingo--> madtux: seguinte o m4 vou verificar se o m4 esta sendo compilado com --changeword
05:53 < madtux> seu problema es sua version de autoconf meu amigo
05:53 < mnemoc> madtux: we build autoconf on stage-0
05:54 < mnemoc> madtux: what i pasted is the error which makes autoconf test fail
05:56 < Shingo--> onde posso achar as informações de compilação do pacote?
05:57 < mnemoc> build/foo*/var/adm/log/*-m4.log
05:58 < Shingo--> e ainda disse que naum entende portugues?
05:58 < mnemoc> i don't :)
05:58 < madtux> Shingo--, portunhol
05:58 < Shingo--> :-)
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06:00 < madtux> interesting error Shingo-- has found
06:01 < mnemoc> i think someting from his env is leaking
06:01 < Shingo--> maybe
06:02 < mnemoc> we sanitize the env as much as we know, but always new oddities appear
06:02 < Shingo--> but where?
06:02 < Shingo--> I had a problem with JAVA_HOME env.
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06:03 < Shingo--> if env JAVA_HOME is set and java is not installed, the build stop. but don't remember now witch package.
06:04 < mnemoc> uhm
06:04 < Shingo--> gettext :-)
06:04 < mnemoc> java-dirtree/parse-config is in charge of cleaning JAVA_HOME
06:04 < mnemoc> uhm
06:05 < Shingo--> try to compile gettext with JAVA_HOME set and pointing to wrong place. the compiler stop./
06:05 < Shingo--> do you understand?
06:06 < mnemoc> yes
06:06 < Shingo--> well, I think m4 have built without --enable-changeword
06:07 < mnemoc> problably
06:07 < Shingo--> how to confirm?
06:07 < mnemoc> build/foo*/var/adm/log/*-m4.log
06:07 < Shingo--> the log don't show this.
06:07 < mnemoc> and see how was it built
06:07 < mnemoc> it shows how configure was called
06:08 < Shingo--> i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -pipe -march=athlon-xp -pipe -pipe --version -s -s -s
06:08 < Shingo--> the last command
06:08 < mnemoc> uhm?
06:09 < Shingo--> ok, without --changeword
06:09 < Shingo--> I think that is the problem.
06:09 < mnemoc> add a file calles package/*/m4/m4.conf
06:09 < mnemoc> called
06:09 < mnemoc> and inside it, write:
06:09 < mnemoc> var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--changeword'
06:10 < mnemoc> then reschedule m4 with: ./scritps/Create-ErrList -cfg foo -remove m4
06:10 < mnemoc> and call Build-Target -cfg foo again
06:11 < mnemoc> checking if changeword is wanted... no <--- from my 1-m4.log
06:11 < mnemoc> .oO( what does your machine need it? )o
06:11 < mnemoc> why*
06:12 < Shingo--> not my machine, but AFAIK, the test error refers to this.
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06:12 < mnemoc> everyone else is happy without changeword :)
06:12 < mnemoc> but, try rebuilding m4 with changeword enabled
06:13 < Shingo--> Removing unsupported '--changeword' from configure option string.
06:13 < mnemoc> --enable-changeword ?
06:14 < Shingo--> well I had write the way you write on channel. :-)
06:15 < mnemoc> yes
06:15 < mnemoc> but _you_ said is was '--changeword' first ;)
06:15 < mnemoc> it*
06:16 < Shingo--> I know. my bad.
06:16 < mnemoc> :)
06:17 < Shingo--> foi.
06:17 < Shingo--> heheh :-)
06:17 < mnemoc> :)
06:17 < Shingo--> work :-)
06:19 < Shingo--> but I don't know much about m4.
06:19 < Shingo--> what type of bug now?
06:19 < Shingo--> it's system bug or package? there's an workaround to problem?
06:19 < mnemoc> it's weird
06:19 < mnemoc> what host OS you have there?
06:19 < mnemoc> i'll commit the workaround but commented
06:19 < Shingo--> I got 3 more build. ready :-)
06:20 < mnemoc> if someone has this problem again, we can suggest to uncomment it
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06:20 < minto> moin
06:20 < Shingo--> well, I'm compiling now on gentoo, but the same problem occurs on ubuntu.
06:21 < mnemoc> hi minto 
06:21 < mnemoc> Shingo--: uhm
06:24 < Shingo--> mnemoc: there is a way to stop Build securely when we start with -daemon parameter? 
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06:25 < mnemoc> Shingo--: abort it, run Cleanup, and call Build-Target again
06:25 < mnemoc> or about between two package builds
06:25 < mnemoc> there is a 'delay' of about 1-2 seconds between package
06:26 < CIA-9> amery * r10726 /trunk/package/base/m4/m4.conf: * added a commented workaround for issue #52 - m4 needing changeword support to pass automake configure tests
06:26 < Shingo--> but if wanna to stop Build when running in daemon mode.
06:26 < Shingo--> killall?
06:27 < mnemoc> :(
06:27 < mnemoc> yes
06:27 < mnemoc> i prefer to run my builds inside 'screen'
06:28 < mnemoc> so i can attach/detach at will
06:28 < Shingo--> ok. but what do you think to create a script to help?
06:28 < mnemoc> patches welcomed :)
06:30 < Shingo--> ok.
06:30 < Shingo--> I ask that question to complain better the option -daemon.
06:30 < Shingo--> what is the propose for that option?
06:32 < mnemoc> not sure
06:32 < mnemoc> i haven't ever used it... in..... 4 years :p
06:33 < Shingo--> ok. where's the technical  information about Build System?
06:34 < CIA-9> amery * r10727 /branches/2.1/package/base/m4/m4.conf: * merged 10726 from trunk: added a commented workaround for issue #52 - m4 needing changeword support to pass automake configure tests
06:34 < mnemoc> i just started to write it today :(
06:34 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org/wiki/Internals
06:34 < mnemoc> but i haven't had much time :\
06:35 < mnemoc> the handbook is the only documentation available
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06:36 < Shingo--> ok. we always don't have enough time. 24 hours too short.
06:36 < mnemoc> yep
06:36 < mnemoc> but i really want to write it
06:37 < mnemoc> after 2.1.0 i'll spend more time on that
06:37 < Shingo--> I know.
06:38 < Shingo--> I had two problem after that problem. the prelink build stop and I restar Build and goes on.
06:38 < mnemoc> why did it stop?
06:39 < Shingo--> now the procps, restar Build don't work. I will see what happens
06:41 < Shingo--> on that time.
06:41 < Shingo--> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 16.36% (9 hits, 46 misses)
06:41 < Shingo--> !> make[2]: *** [prelink] Error 1
06:41 < Shingo--> !> make[2]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.prelink.11224 ..
06:41 < Shingo--> !> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
06:41 < Shingo--> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.prelink.11224 ..
06:41 < Shingo--> !> make: *** [all] Error 2
06:41 < Shingo--> !> Due to previous errors, no 3-prelink.log file!
06:41 < Shingo--> !> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error ins ..
06:41 < Shingo--> -> $root/var/adm/logs/3-prelink.out -> 3-prelink.err
06:41 < Shingo--> == 07/27/05 01:24:05 =[3]=> Aborted building package prelink.
06:41 < mnemoc> nothing usefull there :)
06:42 < mnemoc> src.prelink.*/ERROR-LOG
06:42 < Shingo--> but the problem resolves for self.
06:43 < Shingo--> I have make Cleanup the wrong time and have lost the information.
06:43 < mnemoc> build/foo*/var/adm/log/*-prelink.err :)
06:46 < _Ragnar_> O_O
06:47 < _Ragnar_> why does xscreensaver have that ridiculous dependency tree?
06:47 < Shingo--> I don't have explained right before. prelink had build.
06:47 < Shingo--> == 01:27:15 =[3]=> Building base/prelink [20041123 2.1.0-rc2].
06:47 < Shingo--> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
06:47 < Shingo--> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 16.36% cache hits so far.
06:47 < Shingo--> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
06:47 < Shingo--> -> Preparing build in src.prelink.1122438430.18564.a8c00101
06:47 < Shingo--> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/3-prelink.out
06:47 < Shingo--> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 81.97% (50 hits, 11 misses)
06:47 < mnemoc> sadly we can't distinguish between strong and weak dependencies, and between runtime and buildtime dependencies
06:47 < Shingo--> -> $root/var/adm/logs/3-prelink.out -> 3-prelink.log
06:47 < Shingo--> == 07/27/05 01:27:43 =[3]=> Finished building package prelink.
06:48 < _Ragnar_> how do we detect dependencies?
06:48 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: reads on buildtime
06:48 < _Ragnar_> files read?
06:48 < mnemoc> yep
06:48 < _Ragnar_> oh
06:48 < _Ragnar_> so if a packages does a 'find -type f...'
06:48 < mnemoc> :)
06:49 < _Ragnar_> ouch
06:49 < mnemoc> that's why Emerge-Pkg is _evil_
06:49  * _Ragnar_ reconsiders and just deinstalls xscreensaver :)
06:50 < _Ragnar_> there's xlockmore
06:50 < _Ragnar_> ;P
06:50 < _Ragnar_> how do you rebuild packages then?
06:50 < mnemoc> -deps=none :)
06:51 < Shingo--> there is quick way to instruct the Build-Target to don't use an option, Ex. disable distcc only for that build
06:51 < Shingo--> ?
06:51 < mnemoc> Shingo--: nope
06:51 < mnemoc> vi config/foo/config
06:52 < Shingo--> well, it's work. :-)
06:52 < mnemoc> :)
06:59 < Shingo--> the build go on. :-)
07:01 < minto> I am off to work now. 
07:01 < minto> For some of you sleep well.
07:01 < minto> cu guys later today ;-)
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07:11 < CIA-9> amery * r10728 /branches/2.1/package/kde/koffice-i18n/koffice-i18n.conf: * fixed koffice-i18n to use eval on it's custmain, so '$vars' gets expanded and koffice-i18n really installed. (close #33)
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07:28 < mnemoc> two issues left for rc2.... but i need to sleep
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07:28 < morfoh> re hi
07:28 < mnemoc> gn8 morfoh, keinek_ 
07:28 < mnemoc> :)
07:28 < morfoh> gn8 ???
07:29 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep
07:29 < mnemoc> it's too cold
07:29 < morfoh> you lucky one
07:29 < mnemoc> hehe
07:29 < mnemoc> happy windowsing :)
07:29 < morfoh> damn ...wtf
07:29 < morfoh> :)
07:29 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org/report/3 <-- two issues left for rc2 if you want to take a look into them ;)
07:29 < morfoh> I'm tired
07:29 < morfoh> this is not healthy
07:30 < mnemoc> i'm not tired, but i don't feel my fits
07:30 < morfoh> poor compañero
07:30 < morfoh> is ypu wife near by ?
07:30 < morfoh> your
07:30 < mnemoc> poor you, i don't have any windows around :)
07:30 < mnemoc> she is sleeping
07:30 < morfoh> :)
07:31 < morfoh> my fingers can't type yet
07:31 < mnemoc> i'll go to bed, gn8 morfoh :)
07:31 < morfoh> night :)
07:31 < morfoh> sleep well :)
07:31 < mnemoc> coffee, you can always drink more coffee :)
07:31 < morfoh> ack ... how do you know ?
07:31 < morfoh> :)
07:31 < mnemoc> :)
07:31 < mnemoc> cu
07:31 < morfoh> cu :)
07:32 < morfoh> I'll check trac issues
07:32 < morfoh> screwing up rc2
07:37 < morfoh> .oO( why is this crazy release maintainer is talking about 2 left issues .... I see more than _2_. Either he or me hasm  hallucinations )o 
07:39 < morfoh> it was me :\
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10:25 < mtr> moin
10:27 < karasz> moin everyone
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10:46 < karasz> hello mr. morfoh 
10:52 < karasz> hmmm no nr. morfoh , mr. mnemoc is sleeping hmmmm
10:52 < karasz> i guess i'll drink my cofee alone then :)
10:53  * karasz is dirinking coffee waiting for the guys to apear...
11:01 < sepp_> moin
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12:04 < karasz> anyone in yet?
12:16 < sepp> yes
12:16 < sepp> hi karasz :)
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12:19 < karasz> hi sepp 
12:20 < karasz> hello mr. mnemoc_ 
12:26 < karasz>  ((__))
12:26 < karasz>      (00)
12:26 < karasz>     (o__o)
12:26 < karasz>      ´--`
12:26 < karasz> maybe this...
12:26 < karasz>     ((__))
12:26 < karasz>      (00)
12:26 < karasz>     (o__o)
12:26 < karasz>      ´--`
12:28 < sepp> ascii art?
12:28 < karasz> yep but i can't get it right
12:28 < karasz> and mybe if i continue somenone will slap me again... :)
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12:29 < karasz> ((__))
12:29 < karasz>  (00)
12:29 < karasz> (o__o)
12:29 < karasz>  ´--`
12:29 < karasz> no use
12:29 < sepp> an elephant?
12:30 < karasz> konversation removes my spaces
12:30 < karasz> a buffalo
12:30 < karasz> but close :)
12:31 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/322161 an kul eagle
12:31 < karasz> cu latter guys
12:31 < karasz> in abaout 1,5 hours
12:33 < karasz> maybe then mr. morfoh will be around ;)
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13:14 < morfoh> hi guys
13:31 < sepp> hi morfoh :)
13:32 < morfoh> moin :)
13:32 < karasz> hehe, mr. morfoh :D
13:32 < morfoh> hi karasz :)
13:33 < karasz> how are you today?
13:33 < morfoh> karasz: what can I say after 2.5h sleep
13:33 < karasz> morfoh: i am in a strange situation ...
13:33 < morfoh> as you can suggest me too
13:33 < morfoh> ;)
13:33 < karasz> i don't know if i should say yupiyeee or not
13:34 < karasz> buid is over
13:34 < morfoh> what  the problem karazs
13:34 < karasz> no build errors
13:34 < karasz> but
13:34 < morfoh> so jump around a buy us a beer
13:34 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/322135
13:34 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10729 /trunk/package/python/pyxml/ (. pyxml.cache pyxml.desc): * added pyxml (0.8.4)
13:36 < karasz> so mr. morfoh should i jump around yelling yupiiiyee or not?
13:36 < morfoh> karasz: seems that those packages were not build ... strange. but I'm standing a bit beside myself
13:37 < morfoh> have you checked if i.e. firefox is on the rootfs of the build ?
13:37 < karasz> i will scvange through the whole log to find out more
13:37 < morfoh> karasz: just take a look at i.e. /opt/firefox
13:38 < morfoh> if this is present or not
13:40 < karasz> there is the directory structure but it is empty
13:40 < morfoh> sepp: do you know another way for passing some var to a configure script ?
13:41 < morfoh> not via a configure option
13:42 < sepp> i think i dont understand what you mean 
13:45 < morfoh> hmmm .sorry but I'm unable to speak today anyway
13:46 < morfoh> but, if you take look into a configure script
13:46 < morfoh> there are defined some vars
13:46 < morfoh> like  @path ...  @binpath etc .... bla
13:47 < morfoh> and I would like to avoid patching the configure script
13:48 < sepp> too much nudossi? :)
13:48 < morfoh> nahh! :)
13:48 < morfoh> to less sleep
13:48 < morfoh> I just had 2.5h
13:49 < karasz> morfoh: should i try to launch build again?
13:50 < morfoh> karasz: .yes try it
13:50 < karasz> with the same command line i guess?
13:50 < karasz> no tricky stuff?
13:51 < morfoh> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg YOURTARGET -remove firefox
13:51 < sepp> morfoh: i don't know
13:51 < morfoh> sepp: np ... I have the same problem
13:51 < morfoh> ;)
13:52 < karasz> i found errs in the log
13:52 < karasz> i will post for kdelibs in pastebin
13:53 < sepp> better baste arts
13:53 < sepp> pate
13:53 < sepp> paste
13:55 < sepp> i think kde* failed because arts had an error
13:56 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/322188
13:56 < karasz> sepp: yes that is my guess too
13:57 < sepp> mcopidl is part of arts
13:58 < karasz> from [5] arts.err
13:58 < karasz> checking for pkg-config... no
13:58 < karasz> configure: error:
13:58 < karasz> This package requires pkg-config.
14:01 < karasz> so what now?
14:02 < sepp> pkgconfig was not build or not selected?
14:02 < sepp> or both
14:02 < karasz> hmm i didn't selected manualy if you mean that
14:03 < karasz> nor did i deselected it
14:04 < karasz> not selected i run through the confiog file
14:04 < karasz> it says O
14:04 < karasz> so it was not selected
14:04 < karasz> i will run /Config -cfg $myconfig again and try to select it
14:04 < sepp> and firefox failed because of missing gtk?
14:04 < karasz> yep
14:04 < karasz> so did thunderbird
14:05 < sepp> there is a gtk checkbox
14:05 < karasz> gtk i guess i will find but pkgconfig?
14:05 < sepp> it will enable pkgconfig
14:05 < karasz> so should i run again
14:05 < karasz>  /Config -cfg $myconfig again and try to select it
14:05 < sepp> yes
14:06 < karasz> oki
14:06 < sepp> set gtk 
14:06 < sepp> thats all
14:08 < karasz> pkgconfig will come from where?
14:08 < sepp> yes
14:08 < karasz> if i set only gtk it will bring pkgconfig too?
14:08 < sepp> yup
14:08 < karasz> oki
14:08 < karasz> done
14:09 < karasz> now i will try the build
14:09  * karasz has his fingers crossed
14:09 < sepp> :)
14:09 < sepp> i cross my toes 
14:10 < karasz> aborted building pkgconfig
14:10 < karasz> :(
14:10 < karasz> should i control C the build now?
14:10 < sepp> yes
14:11 < karasz> kul
14:11 < sepp> have you downloaded it?
14:11 < karasz> not downloaded the source for pkgconfig
14:12 < karasz> i wil run ?Download required again
14:12 < karasz> :)
14:22 < karasz> after download it is not necessary nu run Config again, or is it?
14:23 < sepp> no
14:23 < karasz> oki yhen here it comes: Build
14:23 < karasz> sepp: 
14:23 < karasz> i should have typed some command to clean up my tree
14:24 < karasz> because of my previous Ctrl-C
14:24 < sepp> you can but you don't have to
14:24 < karasz> it is complaining about finding package.db.tmp
14:25 < karasz> after that the usual errs and exits
14:25 < sepp> new errors?
14:25 < karasz> no
14:25 < karasz> the firefix and friend stuff
14:26 < karasz> it does not even begin to build
14:26 < karasz> i guess because it finds that package.db.tmp and thinks that build is over
14:27 < sepp> uhm
14:27 < karasz> i guess Ctrl-C is not my best friend :)
14:28 < sepp> it should delete error logs and restart
14:28 < karasz> who should do that?
14:28 < karasz> build?
14:28 < sepp> yes
14:29 < karasz> it does and it doesn't
14:29 < karasz> here it comes a pastebin
14:31 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/322205
14:31 < karasz> removing errlogs than finishing build... :(
14:35 < sepp> set "Retry building broken packages"
14:35 < sepp> in config
14:37 < karasz> ok
14:38 < karasz> where can i add subversion to the tree?
14:39 < karasz> now it seems to be building...
14:41 < sepp> :)
14:44 < karasz> built pckgconfig
14:44 < karasz> now glibc
14:45 < sepp> -c i guess
14:46 < karasz> ?
14:46 < karasz> -c i guess???
14:46 < sepp> glibc - c
14:46 < karasz> yes
14:46 < karasz> no c there
14:47 < karasz> just my usual typos :D
14:47 < karasz> sepp what can you tell me abt subversion?
14:47 < karasz> how can i add it to my iso?
14:49 < sepp> you add it under "Edit package selection rules"
14:58 < karasz> expert stuff right
14:58 < karasz> i should add X subversion there?
14:59 < sepp> yes
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15:11 < madtux> hi
15:11 < karasz> hello madtux 
15:11 < karasz> guys i need a little help with grep
15:11 < karasz> anyone interested in helping out?
15:12 < madtux> ask away and if we can we will help u
15:12 < karasz> i have a huge listing which i pipe to grep
15:12 < madtux> ...
15:12 < karasz> i am looking for lines begening with a pattern
15:13 < karasz> but i whish grep to return the lines matching the pattern and the line above that
15:13 < karasz> could it be done?
15:14 < madtux> i do not know how to display the line bellow the pattern
15:14 < madtux> the rest is easy
15:14 < karasz> the rest is very easy as i have done it allready
15:14 < karasz> but i do not know grep too wel to return the other line :(
15:14 < karasz> guess man grep for me:)
15:15 < madtux> whats the normal output u get?
15:15 < madtux> is it too different?
15:19 < sepp> hi madtux 
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15:19 < karasz> a lot of tearly identical lines
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15:20 < karasz> so the pattern does me good but i cannot use it without the line before
15:20 < madtux> awk might help
15:20 < madtux> sepp, hello
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15:21 < karasz> sorry but i do not know awk at all
15:27 < karasz> madtux: 
15:27 < karasz> i found an alternate way
15:27 < madtux> WEE
15:27 < madtux> tell me
15:27 < karasz> using just grep
15:28 < karasz> i must instruct grep to search lines wich mathc a patern and ingnore those which match another
15:28 < karasz> something like grep pattern -patern
15:29 < karasz> how to negate a pattern in grep?
15:32 < mtr> karasz: grep -v
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15:38 < karasz> i guess that with a little help i can even make a knot on my sholace :)
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16:38 < karasz> damn
16:38 < karasz> i feel like cursing
16:38 < karasz> my prescious system rebooted with no warnings at all.....
16:39 < karasz> sepp: still around?
16:40 < morfoh> karasz: mnemosyne ?
16:41 < karasz> yep mnemosyne
16:41 < karasz> hi morfoh 
16:41 < karasz> i mean re hi :)
16:41 < karasz> that is a first for me....
16:41 < karasz> minding my own business and bang! rebooting
16:41 < karasz> morfoh: can you tell me please the exact line no add in config for subversion?
16:42 < morfoh> ???
16:42 < morfoh> waht do you want to do ?
16:43 < morfoh> what ?
16:43 < morfoh> do you need subversion on your box ?
16:45 < karasz> i need to add subversion to my build
16:45 < morfoh> mnemosyne ?
16:45 < karasz> so expert options in config
16:46 < karasz> yes
16:46 < karasz> mnemosyne
16:46 < karasz> package rules
16:46 < morfoh> just check the devtools option
16:46 < karasz> and something like O subversion
16:46 < morfoh> nah!
16:46 < morfoh> just check the dev tools option
16:46 < karasz> i am wrong agasin:)
16:48 < morfoh> # cat target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Development/devtools.ask
16:48 < morfoh> X strace
16:48 < morfoh> X gdb
16:48 < morfoh> X patchutils
16:48 < morfoh> X diffstat
16:48 < morfoh> X curl
16:48 < morfoh> X libxml
16:48 < morfoh> X neon
16:48 < morfoh> X subversion
16:48 < morfoh> X cvs
16:48 < morfoh> X tla
16:48 < morfoh> X lsof
16:48 < morfoh> X dump
16:48 < morfoh> X cdrtools
16:48 < morfoh> X rock-src
16:49 < karasz> ok ok
16:49 < karasz> i got it
16:49 < karasz> :)
16:49 < morfoh> so just check the devtools option and you'll add these packages to your build
16:49 < karasz> and what should i do about the rebooted build?
16:49 < morfoh> rebooted build ?
16:49 < morfoh> what's that ?
16:50 < karasz> i was building and my machine rebooted
16:50 < morfoh> karasz: and what's the problem now ?
16:51 < morfoh> karasz: do you mean it rebooted without any reason ?
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16:51 < keinek> hi
16:51 < karasz> nothing i was wondering if i should delete perhaps kdelibs.out or stuff like that
16:51 < karasz> yes rebooted without reason
16:51 < morfoh> karasz: uhm 
16:52 < karasz> did'n said anything...
16:52 < karasz> just bang! in my face
16:52 < sepp> t2 hardware pen. test :)
16:52 < morfoh> karasz: hmmm ... dunno. But I cannot imagine that it was due to building t2
16:52 < karasz> nothing to do with building T2
16:52 < morfoh> karasz: perhaps your dell just likes redmond os and some major distros
16:53 < karasz> maybe my system was tired from the 1 week running
16:53 < morfoh> :)
16:53 < morfoh> yes ... like me atm
16:53 < karasz> yep it definitely likes XP
16:53 < karasz> :)
16:53 < morfoh> :(
16:53 < morfoh> :)
16:54 < karasz> so i shouldn't do anything except config and download and build?
16:54 < morfoh> yes ... of course! no reboot after installing packages! this is an OS not a REBOOTOS
16:55 < morfoh> perhaps your dell is wondering a bit ... but it's possible
16:56 < morfoh> I installed XP yesterday on a computer and the more I installed the more it was sucking my brain and stealing my time
16:56 < morfoh> please reboot bla bla bla 
16:57 < sepp> poor morfoh 
16:57 < morfoh> sepp: thanks :\
16:58 < morfoh> I don't know why this piece of crap is called OS 
16:58 < morfoh> but anyway I'm a bit acid today I think
16:58 < morfoh> I'll shut up
16:59 < morfoh> sepp: I'll go and buy tons of nudossi ... perhaps I'll feel better after consuming it all :)
17:00 < karasz> i had devtools enabled...
17:00 < sepp> :D but they will continue to produce nudossi
17:00 < karasz> is it default or i am just smart? ;)
17:01 < morfoh> sepp: :D
17:01 < morfoh> karasz: what is default ?
17:01 < karasz> devtools
17:01 < morfoh> on mnemosyne ... no!
17:02 < karasz> so it is just me being smart ;)
17:02 < morfoh> you should consider that mnemosyne is a bit different than the other packages
17:02 < morfoh> targets I mena
17:02 < morfoh> mean
17:02 < karasz> damn i got tired of being smart
17:02 < karasz> :D
17:03 < karasz> morfoh: what is the time there?
17:03 < morfoh> you should also consider that syne isn't using sysvinit by default ... it's using runit
17:03 < morfoh> karasz: too late for me
17:03 < morfoh> ;)
17:03 < morfoh> 17
17:03 < karasz> but if i remember korekt i choosed sysvinit
17:04 < karasz> then go to sleep now and catch another couple of hours of sleep...
17:04 < morfoh> karasz: I don't have time for sleeping
17:04 < karasz> :(
17:05 < karasz> sorry to hear that
17:05 < karasz> who keeps you awake if I may ask?
17:05 < karasz> your job or your personal life...
17:08 < morfoh> I'll drink a coffee now and reading my newspaper a bit .. and then I've to finish some work
17:11 < karasz> ok
17:11 < karasz> then i let you enjoy your coffee
17:11 < morfoh> karasz: thx
17:11 < karasz> i know i am not found of guys bugging me while i drink my coffee
17:11 < karasz> cu guys in 2 hours
17:12 < morfoh> cu
17:13 < morfoh> mnemoc_: please give me a ping if you're awake 
17:24 < mnemoc_> morfoh: a ping or a pong?
17:24 < mnemoc_> morfoh: uhm devtools is missing apr{,-utils} and t2-src
17:25 < madtux> it doesn't matter anymore.. he just wanted ur attention
17:26 < mnemoc_> :)
17:26 < mnemoc_> hi codetux
17:26 < madtux> hi neron
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17:56 < morfoh> madtux: this was a bad defamation
17:56 < morfoh> hi mnemoc madtux :)
17:57 < morfoh> or neron ?
17:57 < morfoh> anyway
17:57 < mnemoc> neron died 5 years ago
17:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! what was the cause ?
17:58 < mnemoc> akh-en-apu killed him
17:58 < morfoh> ?
17:59 < mnemoc> and mnemoc killed akh-en-apu somes months later
18:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm .... I can't follow you but it seems that neron was schizophrenic 
18:01 < mnemoc> :)
18:01 < morfoh> :)
18:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: I took a short look on klear
18:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: the problem is a change in the Makefile I think
18:01 < mnemoc> yes
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: which is very ugly 
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: no! configure script I mean
18:02 < mnemoc> yep
18:02 < mnemoc> configure is even worse
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: to much hard wired stuff there I think
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: one could patch the things
18:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it's ugly anyway
18:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: the problem is that we can't tell configure where to find qmake
18:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: the one and only configure option is --extra-path which just accepts one parameter
18:04 < mnemoc> here it finds qmake
18:04 < morfoh> at least I couldn't figure out how to do so 
18:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... wheter it finds qmake or the qt headers
18:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: so if you use --extra-patch=/opt/qt33/include it will find qt headers
18:05 < morfoh> but no qmake
18:06 < mnemoc> i'm testing right now a little change to see if it works
18:06 < morfoh> and vice versa
18:06 < morfoh> :)
18:06 < mnemoc> Found 6 files for this package.
18:06 < mnemoc> yuck
18:06 < mnemoc> it's all yours :)
18:06 < madtux> hahaha
18:06 < morfoh> and we don't need to run qmake in premake hook I think
18:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: what about improving --extra-path to support ':' delimited paths?
18:07 < mnemoc> yes, i removed it
18:07 < mnemoc> but you also need to patch qmail.conf away of Makefile: dependencies
18:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... that was what I tried at work for some minutes but with no succes :/
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18:08 < mnemoc> hi minto 
18:08 < madtux> Lord minto
18:08 < minto> hi all
18:08 < minto> Whoooh, a lord :-)
18:08 < morfoh> hi minto 
18:09 < minto> hi guys, how are things going?
18:09 < morfoh> haha there he is the little defamationtux :)
18:09 < minto> Uhh?
18:09 < minto> What is that?
18:09 < madtux> morfoh, watch ya words
18:09 < morfoh> minto: you've to ask ... "who is this" ;)
18:10 < minto> Okay, who?
18:10 < morfoh> madtux: I watch them carefully ;)
18:10 < madtux> :P
18:10 < morfoh> madtux: :p
18:11 < morfoh> madtux: but ... don't worry ... the loud dogs don't bite :)
18:13  * minto is puzzled
18:14 < minto> Is it me or is your rat?
18:14 < madtux> i was taken to a mental institution when i was a little kid because i killed all the dogs and cats in my neighborhood
18:15 < minto> I used to paint little pigs when I was young :)
18:15 < madtux> :P
18:16 < madtux> jk about the mental institution
18:16 < madtux> minto, pain on paper or real ones?
18:16 < minto> real ones
18:16 < madtux> Cool
18:16 < madtux> which colors did u mostly use?
18:16 < minto> The cages should be painted, but I painted the litle pink ones dark red
18:16 < madtux> :)
18:17 < morfoh> just sick people here at #t2
18:18 < madtux> u have no idea
18:18 < mnemoc> :)
18:18 < madtux> :)
18:18 < morfoh> madtux: shame on you ...
18:18 < madtux> morfoh, don't blame it on me....... u also have issues
18:18 < morfoh> madtux: you're a very naughty boy 
18:18 < madtux> 0_o
18:18 < madtux> thats minto 
18:18 < madtux> not me
18:18 < mnemoc> ack
18:18 < morfoh> madtux: but I never killed dogs and cats 
18:19 < madtux> i was joking about that
18:19 < madtux> i am not that illed
18:19 < morfoh> madtux: good :)
18:19 < madtux> i killed thousands of rats though
18:19 < madtux> :)
18:19 < morfoh> madtux: no problem
18:19 < madtux> :P
18:20 < madtux> but my favorite thing was burning things
18:20 < madtux> once i was burning some leaves and then got bored and left... result... 1/3 of my grandpa's far got burned..
18:20 < morfoh> madtux: oh! now we found some similarities :)
18:20 < madtux> my parents almost kill me
18:21 < morfoh> madtux: so you should rename yourself to "pyrotux"
18:21 < madtux> its fun to burn things
18:21 < madtux> i used "pyro" as a my nick for sometime
18:21 < minto> Okay, now you. What do you have to confess?
18:21 < madtux> had to change it cause the research director of linuxlabs used it too
18:22 < madtux> mnemoc, tell us about u
18:22 < morfoh> minto: seems that we've now a t2 self-help group 
18:22 < mnemoc> i haven't killed anyone, yet
18:23 < minto> Not AA that's for alcohol, A?
18:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! 
18:23 < minto> yet?
18:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: that sounds dangerous !
18:23 < madtux> in our case it would be AH
18:23 < minto> Have I commited something wrong?????
18:23 < minto> :-)
18:23 < madtux> Anonymous Hackers
18:25 < mnemoc> :)
18:25 < morfoh> Hi my name is beeeep I hacked the toaster of beeeeep
18:26 < minto> brb
18:26 < mnemoc> i thought we are all working on the 'good side'
18:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 
18:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I think madtux is more a black hat ...
18:28 < mnemoc> security consultants have to be considered 'good boys' imo
18:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: in fact my hat is grey and black with a big "X" on it
18:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: it depends on your customers ;)
18:29 < madtux> i am a good boy
18:29 < morfoh> madtux: :)
18:29 < madtux> :)
18:29 < madtux> unoffensive good boy
18:30 < morfoh> madtux: unoffensive ... just killing cats and dogs ... ic my friend :)
18:30 < madtux> i do not kill cats and dogs..
18:30 < madtux> i;m just a guy that plays with computers
18:30 < madtux> :)
18:30 < mnemoc> :)
18:30 < morfoh> :)
18:31 < mnemoc> pyro died, mike1 killed him
18:31 < mnemoc> and madtux killed mike1
18:31 < mnemoc> but codetux has been unable to kill madtux
18:31 < morfoh> oh! then I'd say morfoh was killing jeru
18:31 < mnemoc> so they live together
18:32 < madtux> i do not know what u are talking about
18:32 < morfoh> splitted personality ?
18:32 < madtux> I;m... complicated.
18:33 < mnemoc> or... are pyro and mike1 still alive?
18:33 < morfoh> madtux: don't worry ... we like you as you are ... at least as long you're just playing with computers :p
18:33 < mnemoc> :)
18:33 < madtux> i just play with computers and installs programs sometimes
18:34 < madtux> a normal user
18:34 < madtux> i went to the gym yesterday... god... it hurts
18:35 < morfoh> madtux: for what ? reducing sth ? ;)
18:35 < morfoh> madtux: or just "pumping up" :p
18:35  * morfoh hides 
18:36 < madtux> loosing weight keeping my self in shape
18:36 < morfoh> madtux: that's a good decission :)
18:36 < madtux> i am returning to my extreme sports and need to loose a few pounds
18:36 < morfoh> madtux: pyro sports or what do you mean ?
18:37 < morfoh> .oO( now I understand the term of "burning fat" )o 
18:38 < madtux> i do motocross, freestyle and race on karts
18:39 < madtux> plus i am up to anything fun like bunjee or rafting
18:39 < madtux> bike stunts
18:39 < madtux> :)
18:39 < mnemoc> to Wirtschaftsdud <--- what those mean?
18:39 < mnemoc> err
18:39 < mnemoc> tham paste
18:39 < mnemoc> damn*
18:39 < mnemoc> yuck yuck
18:40 < madtux> stop complaining and fix the last things to release rc2
18:40 < madtux> i am waiting for u
18:40 < mnemoc> i0m fixing phppgadmin and morpho klear
18:40 < madtux> ok
19:10 < CIA-9> amery * r10730 /trunk/package/database/phppgadmin/phppgadmin.conf: * decustomized phppgadmin and fixed issue #34
19:10 < karasz> hello guys
19:10 < mnemoc> hi karasz 
19:10 < karasz> i was scrolling through.....
19:10  * karasz hides
19:11 < mnemoc> :)
19:11  * karasz unhides because he doesn't like hidding :)
19:11 < mnemoc> don't scroll :)
19:12 < karasz> i won't :D
19:13 < karasz> firefox build took 1 hr 20 mins .....
19:13 < karasz> that's a lot
19:13 < karasz> i guess only kernel builds yook that long
19:14 < minto> Karasz: have yuo tried Open Office?
19:14 < mnemoc> :)
19:14 < karasz> nope and i am not gonna :) vim or kate is goog enough for me
19:15 < karasz> by the way of vim
19:15 < CIA-9> amery * r10731 /branches/2.1/package/database/phppgadmin/phppgadmin.conf: * merged 10730 from trunk: decustomized phppgadmin (closed #34)
19:15 < karasz> i noticed a strange (for me any how) behaviour of vi when i was using T2
19:16 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:16 < mnemoc> karasz: ?
19:16 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_ 
19:16 < karasz> and i am not sure if that is the default for vi and i being spoiled by RH o
19:16 < karasz> moin _Ragnar_ 
19:16 < karasz> so
19:16 < mnemoc> our vim is 'pure'
19:17 < karasz> when i start vi using vi textfile on RH i press `i` and starts editing mode
19:17 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
19:17 < morfoh> moin Ragnar 
19:17 < karasz> on T2 when i press `i` it doesn't seem to start edit
19:17 < mnemoc> karasz: uhm?
19:17 < karasz> i tried even :i
19:18 < mnemoc> just i
19:18 < morfoh> karasz: I use vi daily ... never saw this behavior
19:18 < mnemoc> or ESC i    in same cases
19:18 < karasz> kul
19:18 < karasz> it is me again it seems
19:18 < morfoh> but mnemoc is right ... our vim is sth. for purists :)
19:18 < karasz> so `i` is the way, as ususal
19:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: any news about klear? should i postpone it to 2.1.0?
19:19 < karasz> ususal?? what the hack was taht again....
19:19 < mnemoc> T2, and an SDE doesn't do anything to customize packages
19:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess I can't fix it today ... sorry
19:19 < mnemoc> that is done on targets
19:20 < mnemoc> as an SDE*
19:20 < karasz> ok i understand
19:20 < morfoh> if we could postpone it ... I'd be thankful
19:20 < sepp> karasz: if you want a vim with disco features use /usr/share/vim/vim63/vimrc_example.vim
19:20 < karasz> minto: are you with us?
19:20 < minto> Yes, i am here again
19:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: ok
19:21 < karasz> can you give me the link to that pdf with package management?
19:21 < minto> ack, but please have some patience I gotta help my wife first
19:21 < karasz> in between switching stuff i guess i lost it...:(
19:22 < karasz> i have a lot of patience, do your stuff because i will be here 
19:22 < karasz> in fact i must leave for 30 mins myself
19:23 < mnemoc> valentin: do you have access to http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi script?
19:28 < minto> karasz: http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/T2%20package%20update.pdf
19:29 < mnemoc> minto: i'm adding documentation on trac's wiki if you want to play there
19:30 < minto> ack, but I first want to finish the doc, then I wil put it up there :-)
19:30 < _Ragnar_> hmmm O_O
19:30 < mnemoc> :)
19:30 < _Ragnar_> anyone have build problems with nessus?
19:30 < mnemoc> not here
19:30 < minto> The document has not been updated since I posted it on the mailing list
20:01 < CIA-9> amery * r10732 /tags/2.1.0-rc2/: * tagged 2.1.0-rc2
20:09 < minto> mnemoc: should package name alway be in lowercase?
20:09 < mnemoc> minto: yes
20:11 < minto> Hmm, I think I added a package for karasz a few days ago with some Capitals in it.
20:11 < minto> Let's see which one it was.
20:11 < mnemoc> uhm
20:15 < minto> Ahh, found it: neXtaw
20:16 < minto> I will modify it
20:23 < morfoh> oh! 2.1.0-rc2 tagged :D
20:23 < morfoh> party on :)
20:23 < minto> Jippeee!
20:24 < morfoh> big props to our release maintainer :) ,,, I know will not like it :)
20:24 < mnemoc> not on /topic tyet :)
20:24 < mnemoc> a
20:42 < CIA-9> amery * r10733 /branches/2.1/scripts/parse-config: * changed branch/2.1 version to 2.1.0-rc3 ... the upcomming 2.1.0. i want to distinguish between branch and releases but mirrors cgi doesn't like 2.1-stable as version.
20:42 -!- mode/#t2 [+o mnemoc] by ChanServ
20:42 < madtux> nice
20:43 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
20:43 < madtux> wah.... u are OP here too
20:43 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by ChanServ
20:43 < madtux> master :)
20:43 < mnemoc> op who?
20:43 < madtux> du
20:44 -!- Benix [~Benix@212-62-65-59.teleos-web.de] has joined #t2
20:44 < Benix> Hi
20:44 < minto> hi Benix
20:44 < Benix> i am trying to use t2.. shall i make all Make files in all the subdirs?
20:45 < madtux> mmhh ?
20:46 < Benix> the quickstart says: download the source, then ./Config -cfg system
20:46 < minto> Benix: have you already done that?
20:46 < Benix> but that does not work because nothing is yet compiled
20:46 < madtux> ./scripts/Config ..
20:46 < mnemoc> all scripts have to be run from t2's root
20:46 < Benix> Creating configuration script.
20:46 < Benix> Running ROCK Linux  configuration ...
20:46 < Benix> grep: scripts/parse-config: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
20:46 < Benix> Building src/config_helper.so.
20:46 < Benix> gcc: misc/tools-source/config_helper.c: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
20:46 < Benix> gcc: keine Eingabedateien
20:46 < madtux> you do not want to go inside the "scripts" directory
20:47 < Benix> ah, maybe thats it.. lets see
20:47 < madtux> :)
20:47 < mnemoc> and as _root_, not joe
20:47 < Benix> yes, thats clear
20:47 < madtux> mnemoc, Config and Download do not need u to be root
20:48 < Benix> src/rockdialog.bin.5811
20:48 < mnemoc> yes if you did checkout as root :)
20:48 < Benix> the script does not find this file
20:48 < mnemoc> that file is created by scripts/Config
20:48 < Benix> shall i paste the rest of the error message? About 5 lines
20:49 < mnemoc> yes
20:49 < Benix> Creating configuration script.
20:49 < Benix> Running ROCK Linux 2.1.0-DEV configuration ...
20:49 < Benix> Building src/config_helper.so.
20:49 < Benix> unknown returncode: 127
20:49 < minto> Benix: What kind of machine are you using?
20:50 < mnemoc> ehm.... that is not a T2
20:50 < madtux> hehehe
20:50 < Benix> minto: CPU[AMD Athlon clocked at 999.758 Mhz]  Kernel[Linux 2.6.11-kanotix-11 i686]  Up[-24min-]  Mem[-245.121/249.156MB-]  HDD[-41GB(29%used)-]  Procs[-60-]  Client[Shell]
20:51 < minto> Benix: what did you do to check things out (subversion)?
20:51 < mnemoc> Running ROCK Linux 2.1.0-DEV configuration ... <--- ROCK's trunk, not T2
20:51 < Benix> minto: t2-2.1.0-alpha.tar.bz2
20:51 < mnemoc> Benix: that's ancient
20:52 < Benix> so i sould use svn, all right?
20:52 < mnemoc> Benix: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.0-rc2
20:52 < mnemoc> why did you choose alpha and not rc1?
20:52 < Benix> hm
20:53 < Benix> thanks, my fault
20:54 < minto> If your ./scripts/Config give errors again try using it with -nobashmod. After you updated it ofcourse.
20:55 < Benix> ok
20:55 < minto> Oh, I read it wrong you are using a normal AMD not an AMD64.
20:56 < mnemoc> kanotix?
20:56 < Benix> indeed
20:56 < Benix> mnemoc: don't know it?
20:56 < mnemoc> you may be missing some important tools on a livecd
20:57 < Benix> mnemoc: hehe, not when you are using kanotix.. and its a dvd install ;)
20:57 < mnemoc> :)
20:57 < Benix> knoppix, mephis.. and all the others are real live systems, but kanotix is perfect configured for hd-install ;)
20:57 < sepp> sounds like a swiss konoppix
20:58 < Benix> sepp: no, its made by an german guy called "Kano" ;)
20:58 < morfoh> yes akanotix isn't bad 
20:58 < Benix> i was surprised when I used it.. It's better then Suse, Debian sid, Mandriva.. at least for me
20:59 < morfoh> Benix: that's not hard ;)
20:59 < minto> url pleas?
20:59 < Benix> .. installing 3d-drivers is also so simple ;)
20:59 < Benix> www.kanotix.com and #kanotix
20:59 < minto> click
21:00 < morfoh> minto: rxr was "hijacking" some things from kanotix too ... regarding our livecd framework
21:00 < Benix> it's patched for dvb ;)
21:00 < Benix> morfoh: yeah, the kudzu-config from kanotix is high developed
21:00 < minto> Ahh, now we know his (rxr) dark side too.
21:00 < morfoh> Benix: I guess kudzu wasn't in my mind ;)
21:01 < minto> but morfoh, you still haven't told us yours.
21:01 < Benix> morfoh: well, what about unionfs? ;)
21:01 < morfoh> we've unionfs
21:01 < morfoh> ;)
21:01 < Benix> morfoh: yes, but kanotix had it before.. so I thought... ^^
21:01 < morfoh> Benix: because it started before ;) 
21:02 < Benix> morfoh: that's right... 
21:02 < morfoh> Benix: how long was kanotix developed so far ?
21:02 < Benix> morfoh: hm, bughunter 1 was released 2002 I think...
21:02 < morfoh> Benix: anyway ... it doesn't matter ... or to do some featuire bashing ... we're linux users anyway ;)
21:03 < Benix> morfoh: ;)
21:03 < morfoh> Benix: but we're the good ones ;)
21:03 < morfoh> hehe :)
21:04 < Benix> but the only thing i don't like with t2 is that it has no package-system like debian has.. *.debs are the best thing ever happened ;)
21:04 < morfoh> Benix: yes ...it's well know and on the agenda afaik
21:04 < Benix> i think it must be also possible to build a live-cd with debootstrap
21:05 < morfoh> Benix: but what sense makes a "good" package system if the packages are crap and buggy ?
21:05 < mnemoc> :)
21:05 < sepp> ohh distro wars
21:05 < Benix> morfoh: don't call sid packages buggy.. only ubuntu has
21:05 < Benix> ;)
21:05 < mnemoc> :)
21:05 < morfoh> Benix: dream on :)
21:06 < minto> Okay guys please place your bets, the war has just started.
21:06 < minto> :-)
21:06 < Benix> morfoh: are you really speaking about "offical" packages from debian/sid?
21:07 < Benix> xorg packages might be unstable, some kde 3.4 could be too, but never that hard as other rpm-based distri's are ;)
21:07 < morfoh> Benix: okok ... I'll shut up. At least they had 3 years time and burned 3 maintainers to get a stable version out ;)
21:08 < Benix> hehe ^^
21:09 < morfoh> I have no time for distro war this night ... let's start a battle at a different time ;)
21:09 < Benix> but i have always dreamed of a project like t2... then a magazine mentioned it ..
21:09 < Benix> morfoh: ok ;)
21:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't forget to start build p4 and athlonxp minimal and desktop over the new tag :)
21:10 < minto> morfoh: lucky for you, you haven't scared him off.
21:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: P4 is started already ;)
21:10 < minto> Benix: Welcome to T2. where dreams come true :-)
21:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
21:10 < morfoh> minto: what do you want to say ? :P
21:10 < minto> at least partially
21:11 < morfoh> minto: you think I'm acid ... isn't it ?
21:11  * minto hides
21:11 < minto> peek a boo, just kidding
21:12 < CIA-9> amery * r10734 /tags/2.1.0-rc2/target/generic/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in): * marked minimal-desktop and minimal-xorg generic/templates as broken
21:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: Athlon-XP started too :)
21:12 < mnemoc> morfoh: start with bootdisk
21:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: i forgot to add neon to minimal template
21:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: I started with boot ... I'm no n00b :p
21:13 < mnemoc> :)
21:13 < mnemoc> i'll also add ccache to minimal
21:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: good man :)
21:15 < morfoh> .oO( at least it looks like we just burn one release maintainer per release ) :p
21:15  * morfoh hides
21:16 < Benix> hm, the svn-version has the same error-message
21:16 < CIA-9> amery * r10735 /tags/2.1.0-rc2/target/generic/pkgsel/minimal.in: * added neon to generic/minimal so subversion gets http/https support
21:16 < mnemoc> :(
21:16 < mnemoc> Benix: uhm
21:17  * morfoh was just jidding ... I'd never burn my friend mnemoc 
21:17 < morfoh> kidding
21:17 < CIA-9> amery * r10736 /tags/2.1.0-rc2/target/generic/pkgsel/minimal.in: * added ccache to generic/minimal template
21:18 < minto> morfoh: I am not so sure, you said you had somehing is common with madtux
21:18 < minto> when he mentioned burning down is grandpa's farm
21:18 < madtux> minto by the way i have passed your CV to my contacts they are impressed
21:18 < minto> Nice to know
21:18 < madtux> do not be supprised if they contact you
21:19 < minto> I'll be waiting
21:19 < minto> Suddenly offers seem to come from all directions :-)
21:19 < morfoh> minto: :)
21:19 < Benix> lets see what knopper, the author of knoppix is thinking about your project ;)
21:20 < minto> That's good, it give me freedom, freedom of choise
21:20 < morfoh> Benix: why ?
21:20 < Benix> morfoh: he is just reading your homepage ^^ ;)
21:21 < minto> Quick guys prepare the red carpet :-)
21:21 < Benix> hehe
21:21 < morfoh> :)
21:21 < minto> Benix: have you had any luck yet?
21:21 < Benix> minto: Yes al lot, but not with t2
21:21 < morfoh> Benix: yes ... but our homepage is lacking a bit atm
21:22 < minto> What does it say this time?
21:22 < Benix> morfoh: he will survive it*g
21:22 < morfoh> good :)
21:22 < Benix> nearly the same:
21:22 < Benix> mv: Aufruf von stat für ,,src/rockdialog.bin.8479" nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
21:22 < Benix> Creating configuration script.
21:22 < Benix> T2 2.1.0-rc2 configuration ...
21:22 < Benix> unknown returncode: 127
21:23 < Benix> Translated into english: file not found
21:23 < minto> np, I can read german :-)
21:23 < mnemoc> ,,src ?
21:23 < Benix> minto: tatsächlich? Hihi
21:24 < minto> But I am not German :-)
21:24 < _Ragnar_> hmpfl
21:24 < minto> I am a neighbor
21:24 < madtux> "Bier" is the magic word
21:24 < Benix> madtux: lol
21:24 < karasz> heloo again
21:24 < minto> cheese, tulips and wooden shoes :-)
21:24 < morfoh> minto: oranje vs. germany
21:25 < morfoh> minto: I think you're out of luck here :)
21:25 < karasz> guys i may have a problem here
21:25 < minto> morfoh: can't wait to bash you guys, hehe
21:25 < morfoh> haha :)
21:25 < minto> wazzup karasz
21:25 < _Ragnar_> just did a cross compile for x86_64 ... slapped the cross-built packages on a different partition, booted that .... now rockdialog doesn't build in it due to not finding a compatible libgcc_s
21:25 < morfoh> minto: dream on my dear friend :)
21:25 < _Ragnar_> any idea?
21:26 < morfoh> brb
21:26 < karasz> checking for KDE... configure: error:
21:26 < karasz> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
21:26 < karasz> So, check this please and use another prefix!
21:26 < karasz> Due to previous errors, no 5-kdebase.log file!
21:26 < karasz> but i didn't choose any prefix :(
21:26 < minto> morfoh: you coward, running of like that. Pfft not even hiding :-)
21:27 < karasz> morfoh: did see me i guess :D
21:28 < minto> the prefix is probably set is some of the KDE packages .conf files.
21:28 < minto> Seems like two packages are not using the same prefix
21:28 < morfoh> karasz: no ... I'm phoning ... you aren't that dangerous ;)
21:28 < minto> morfoh: haha calling for backup 
21:29 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: minto is x86_64 maintainer :)
21:29 < karasz> yes it is set to /opt/kde3/
21:29 < karasz> ack morfoh :DD
21:29  * _Ragnar_ spanks minto :)
21:29  * minto will ignore Ragnar :-)
21:29 < _Ragnar_> :P
21:29 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2
21:30 < minto> Oh boy it is getting busy in here
21:30 < karasz> just 18 guys, merly a football team... :D
21:30 < minto> Okay one at a time. Karasz maybe the kde packages are not build in the right order.
21:31 < CIA-9> amery * r10737 /branches/2.1/target/generic/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in): 
21:31 < CIA-9> * merged 10734 from 2.1.0-rc2: marked minimal-desktop and minimal-xorg generic/templates as broken
21:31 < CIA-9> * merged 10735,10736 from 2.1.0-rc2: added ccache and neon to generic/minimal template
21:31 < karasz> kdebase is complainig abt not finding kde headers in that prefix...
21:31 < minto> Seems like the one with the error is depending on another kde package.
21:31 < sepp> karasz: arts and kdelibs are ok this time?
21:31 < karasz> yes
21:31 < karasz> arts kdelibs ok
21:32 < karasz> nope just arts is ok
21:32 < minto> Sorry _Ragnar_ I have no clue what is causing your problems.
21:32 < karasz> kdelibs failed i guess
21:32 < karasz> checkin kdelibs.err
21:32 < mnemoc> Benix: did -nobashmod work?
21:32 < minto> Benix: How did you start the Config script?
21:32 < _Ragnar_> minto: so you telling me you're cross-compiling _64 alright and it just works?
21:32 < Benix> ./scripts/Config -cfg system
21:33 < mnemoc> Benix: try ./scripts/Config -nobashmod -cfg system
21:33 < _Ragnar_> or is cross-compiling it from _32 just not something t2 can do?
21:33 < minto> _Ragnar_: I have never installed a cross compiled _64
21:33 < minto> I got rxr over to set up my system. We installed a 32 bit iso first.
21:33 < karasz> yuck
21:34 < _Ragnar_> duh *lol*
21:34 < karasz> yuck, yuck
21:34 < karasz> /TOOLCHAIN/build/mnemokde-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium3-mnemosyne/TOOLCHAIN/tools.chroot/wrapper/install -c -p -m 644 ./eventsrc /opt/kde3/share/apps/knotify/eventsrc
21:34 < karasz> /bin/sh ../admin/mkinstalldirs /opt/kde3/share/config/colors
21:34 < karasz> mkdir -p -- /opt/kde3/share/config/colors
21:34 < karasz> mkdir: `/opt/kde3/share/config' exists but is not a directory
21:34 < karasz> now config is a directory or what?
21:34 < _Ragnar_> that error looks familiar;p
21:35 < karasz> it isn't there not a dir not a file no nothing
21:35 < minto> _Ragnar_: rxr did some magic and now the machine is still crap :)
21:36 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:36 < _Ragnar_> next time, get him to document the magic ;)
21:36 < minto> He he
21:37 < minto> if he documents it, it will no longer be magic. I guess
21:37 < _Ragnar_> :P
21:37 < _Ragnar_> well it's fine if he wants to be the only one using t2-64 ... ;p
21:38 < _Ragnar_> I'll just make an image of my comp at home and see if I can go from there
21:38 < karasz> guys should i make that dir by hand and restart build?
21:38 < minto> maybe mipe can help out (when he is here) He does _64 too.
21:39 < _Ragnar_> yea he sent me an image a while ago
21:40 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: are you working over that snapshot of his working copy or over 2.1 branch or trunk?
21:40 < _Ragnar_> trunk
21:41 < _Ragnar_> I had a lot to do to get that snapshot to do anything with recent trunk, so I thought, misguidedly, that cross-compiling would be easier;P
21:41 < minto> _Ragnar_: I was able to build a minimal a while ago, I have an iso, but it is not bootable :-(
21:42 < minto> If you are interested you can find it at http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-prerc2-x86-64_cd1.iso
21:42 < karasz> minto: thanks for the link
21:42 < minto> karasz: you're welcom
21:42 < karasz> but you think i am someone else...
21:42 < minto> Benix: Any luck with -nobashmod?
21:43 < karasz> /TOOLCHAIN/build/mnemokde-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium3-mnemosyne/TOOLCHAIN/tools.chroot/wrapper/install -c -p -m 644 ./eventsrc /opt/kde3/share/apps/knotify/eventsrc
21:43 < karasz> /bin/sh ../admin/mkinstalldirs /opt/kde3/share/config/colors
21:43 < karasz> mkdir -p -- /opt/kde3/share/config/colors
21:43 < karasz> mkdir: `/opt/kde3/share/config' exists but is not a directory
21:43 < karasz> sorry
21:43 < karasz> <minto> Hmm, I think I added a package for karasz a few days ago with some Capitals in it.
21:43 < minto> It was you wasn't it? Might have been someone else
21:44 < mnemoc> minto: don't forget to start a minimal/x86_64 over tagged rc2 :)
21:44 < minto> mnemoc: When noisy is up and I have enough time :-)
21:45 < mnemoc> :)
21:45 < minto> mnemoc: I could give you acces so you can start it. :-)
21:45 < minto> I am off for the weekend for 4 days, I could leave it turned on :-)
21:45 < mnemoc> minto: deal
21:46 < minto> We will get back on this :-)
21:46 < mnemoc> :)
21:51 < CIA-9> amery * r10738 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/minimal.in: * merged 10735,10736 from 2.1.0-rc2: added ccache and neon to generic/minimal template
21:52 < karasz> guys should i make that dir by hand and restart build?
21:53 < mnemoc> karasz: grep opt/kde3/share/config build/foo*/var/adm/flist/*
21:55 < mnemoc> karasz: it has to be owned by kdelibs
21:56 < Benix> sorry, was afk
21:56 < Benix> -nobashmod does not help
21:56 < mnemoc> same error?
21:57 < karasz> mnemoc: grep: build/mnemokde-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium3-mnemosyne/var/adm/flist/*: No such file or directory
21:57 < Benix> exactly the same
21:57 < morfoh> Benix: and with -oldconfig ?
21:58 < Benix> ./scripts/Config -cfg system -oldconfig
21:58 < Benix> wokrs
21:58 < Benix> ;)
21:59 < mnemoc> karasz: what?? you have nothing inside var/adm/flist
21:59 < morfoh> Benix: :)
21:59 < mnemoc> Benix: it may be a problem with your dialog
21:59 < Benix> hm, it says finished, but they should be appearing a menu..shoudn`t it?
21:59 < mnemoc> -oldconfig skips that part
22:00 < mnemoc> Benix: is ldd ./src/rockdialog.bin   ok?
22:01 < Benix> no, file not found
22:01 < mnemoc> outch
22:02 < mnemoc> Benix: on t2's root try: gcc misc/rockdialog/*.c -Imisc/rockdialog -lncurses -o src/rockdialog.bin
22:02 < mnemoc> troubles?
22:02 < Benix> thousands
22:02 < mnemoc> oh
22:02 < Benix> like using the Config script
22:03 < Benix> its a very long list
22:03 < mnemoc> can you publish it?
22:03 < Benix> if you whish, i will flood the channel ;)
22:03 < mnemoc> http:/... :)   or pastebin
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22:03 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 
22:04 < Benix> well, it's nearly always the same error i think that would be enough:
22:04 < Benix>  gcc misc/rockdialog/*.c -Imisc/rockdialog -lncurses -o src/rockdialog.bin
22:04 < karasz> mnemoc: i got the grep line wrong
22:04 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc
22:04 < Benix> the same error for the other files in misc/
22:05 < Benix> misc/rockdialog/dialog.h:162: error: Syntaxfehler before '*' token
22:05 < Benix> misc/rockdialog/dialog.h:163: error: Syntaxfehler before '*' token
22:05 < Benix> misc/rockdialog/dialog.h:165: error: Syntaxfehler before '*' token
22:05 < karasz> mnemoc: i have a lot of stuff in /var/adm/flist
22:06 < Benix> Ok, thanks for all, but i am tired..
22:06 < Benix> cu
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22:06 < mnemoc> Benix: you are missing some headers...
22:07 < Benix> mnemoc: ah, what headers? 
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22:13 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jul 27 20:43:09 2005]
22:13 [Users #t2]
22:13 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ madtux] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ SerWou  ] 
22:13 [ CIA-9   ] [ karasz] [ minto ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr_] [ Shingo--] 
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22:13 < karasz> but it does not contain any reference to opt/kde3/config
22:13 < mnemoc> opt/kde3/share/config
22:14 < sepp> i started a mnemosyne+kde lets see what happens
22:14 < karasz> no share/config either
22:15 < mnemoc> uhm
22:15 < karasz> although /share/apps and /share/doc AND /SHARE/LOCALE EXISTS
22:15 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10739 /trunk/target/bootdisk/parse-config: * file does nothing: remove it
22:16 < karasz> and it was building sooo fine until now :(
22:16 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
22:16 < karasz> sorry for screaming
22:16 < karasz> it was not intended...
22:16 < mnemoc> karasz: can you publish your 5-kdelibs.log ?
22:16 < mnemoc> karasz: don't worry
22:17 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10740 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (42 files in 8 dirs): * move arch specific stuff into a subdirectory
22:19 < karasz> pastebin or x5?
22:19 < karasz> where do you prefer?
22:19 < morfoh> karasz: trac ?
22:19 < karasz> morfoh: no trac yet because it could be my fault
22:20 < karasz> mnemoc: only kdelibs.err
22:20 < morfoh> karasz: no problem ... you can add it there too ... we can reject it if we want :)
22:21 < mnemoc> karasz: uhm... bad, ok. show it :)
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22:28  * minto is off to bed
22:28 < minto> sleep well all.
22:28 < jsaw> re
22:28 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"]
22:28 < jsaw> hi all
22:28 < _Ragnar_> nini
22:28 < morfoh> minto: when you'll go ?
22:28 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
22:28 < _Ragnar_> thanks for the help morfoh 
22:28 < morfoh> hi jsaw 
22:28 < _Ragnar_> oops
22:28 < _Ragnar_> too late ;p
22:28 < jsaw> hi morfoh 
22:28 < sepp> hi jsaw 
22:28 < jsaw> hi sepp 
22:29 < jsaw> anyone against s/build_rock/build_toolchain/ ?
22:30 < morfoh> jsaw: if that wouldn't be do big harm :)
22:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: where?
22:31 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10741 /trunk/target/bootdisk/arch/ (powerpc/build.sh x86/help1.txt x86/lilo-help.txt): * it's the _T2-SDE_ linux install disk...
22:32 < karasz> mnemoc: 
22:32 < jsaw> so far, Documentation/PKG-BUILD-VARS scripts/* and some target/*/build.sh
22:32 < karasz> i got a little trouble that needed urgent solving
22:32 < karasz> here is the link to kdelibs.err
22:32 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/upload/fis/5-kdelibs.err
22:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: do it :)
22:33 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.193.102.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
22:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: ok, after grep -R finished... :)
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:34 < jsaw> btw, one of the admins in house is getting damn fed up with SuSE (the first distro he tried, he's used to solaris mainly), I recommended T2...
22:35 < jsaw> ... now I have to prepare a presentation about T2 after finishing PhD ...
22:35 < mnemoc> :D
22:36 < jsaw> yes, :D
22:36 < morfoh> :D
22:39 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.193.102.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
22:40 < karasz> so mr. mnemoc ?
22:40 < mnemoc> karasz: on kdelibs.desc add NOPARALLEL after [F] FPIC-QUIRK
22:40 < karasz> please shad a drop of light on an unworthy and mortal parrot
22:40 < karasz> yep
22:41 < karasz> right away
22:42 < karasz> new line or ...?
22:42 < karasz> [F] FPIC-QUIRK NOPARALEL?
22:43 < mnemoc> yes
22:43 < mnemoc> one line
22:43 < karasz> now rebuild right?
22:43 < mnemoc> and reschedule kdelibs using Create-ErrList -cfg foo -remove kdelibs
22:44 < karasz> aham
22:46 < karasz> fingers crossed
22:46 < karasz> and by the way
22:46 < karasz> congrats on rc2
22:46 < karasz> :)
22:46 < mnemoc> let's get the ISOs first :)
22:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: when you'll need the ISO's ?
22:53 < karasz> subversion also failed in the previous build needing and not getting pack apr
22:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: as soon as you can get them
22:54 < morfoh> because ... the P4 build is done at work ... and I'll not be there.
22:54 < morfoh> the rest of the week
22:54 < karasz> morfoh: please do pmmx first
22:54 < morfoh> for the kknow raesons
22:54 < mnemoc> i'm builing pmmx
22:54 < karasz> sorry
22:54 < mnemoc> :)
22:55  * madtux is building sparc64
22:55  * karasz is already dreaming a pmmx desktop iso .....
22:55 < morfoh> madtux: but don't burn it :)
22:55 < mnemoc> karasz: can you add apr and apr-util to devtools.ask, reschedule subversion and try again?
22:55 < mnemoc> madtux: :D
22:56 < karasz> i launched build already
22:56 < madtux> morfoh, ?
22:56 < karasz> should i ctrl C?
22:56 < mnemoc> karasz: we have desktop-pmmx of rc1 
22:56 < madtux> mnemoc, sarcastic smile?
22:56 < mnemoc> madtux: no, happy
22:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: but our PPC party is missing
22:59 < madtux> mnemoc, i will play with different misc archs..
22:59 < madtux> but u know ppc is not the hardware i got 
22:59 < madtux> and besides there is someone else in the team with the ppc tasks
23:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: our PPC party don't really care about 2.1 more than PR
23:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: so what do we do ? I've no PPC anymore here to test 
23:01 < karasz> and mnemoc i would be very happy to ad apr and apr-util to devtools.ask if i knew how :(
23:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: does get_expanded work for you properly really ?
23:01 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes
23:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: here, the % must be escaped with "\\%" 
23:01 < mnemoc> karasz: vi target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Development/devtools.ask
23:01 < mnemoc> jsaw: uhm
23:02 < jsaw> mnemoc:  a single bs does not work...
23:02 < jsaw> string="t/%/." ; echo ${string//\%/ABC}
23:02 < jsaw> t/%/.ABC
23:02 < mnemoc> GNU bash, version 3.00.16(2)-release
23:02 < jsaw> string="t/%/." ; echo ${string//\\%/ABC}
23:02 < jsaw> t/ABC/.
23:02 < jsaw> GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release
23:03 < mnemoc> jsaw: and echo "${string//\%/ABC}"
23:03 < karasz> mnemoc: anywhere in that file?
23:03 < mnemoc> karasz: right after subversion please :)
23:03 < morfoh> karasz: just add it at the end
23:03 < karasz> oki
23:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: I pasted both versions... ;)
23:03 < karasz> guys....
23:04  * morfoh shuts up again
23:04 < karasz> what should it be then?
23:04 < mnemoc> jsaw: i hate these bash oddities :(
23:04 < karasz> mnemoc: or morfoh ???
23:04 < jsaw> mnemoc: does string="t/%/." ; echo ${string//\\%/ABC} work for you?
23:04 < morfoh> karasz: in fact it doesn't matter
23:04 < karasz> tough one...
23:04 < morfoh> karasz: but do as mnemoc said
23:04 < mnemoc> jsaw: i get string untouch
23:04  * karasz is waiting to be slapped at any moment, walking on thin ice
23:04 < jsaw> mnemoc: ?
23:05 < mnemoc> $ string="t/%/." ; echo ${string//\\%/ABC}
23:05 < mnemoc> t/%/.
23:05 < mnemoc> $ string="t/%/." ; echo "${string//\\%/ABC}"
23:05 < jsaw> DAMN
23:05 < mnemoc> t/%/.
23:05 < jsaw> ...
23:05 < mnemoc> i wanted to avoid sed :(
23:05 < mnemoc> sed makes this expensive
23:06 < jsaw> case "$BASH_VERSION" in 2) get_...functions ;; ...
23:06 < mnemoc> jsaw: sounds good :)
23:06 < karasz> mr mnemoc should i send a diff?
23:06  * karasz is waiting to be slapped at any moment, walking on thin ice
23:07 < mnemoc> karasz: if it works, send a .diff to the ML :)
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23:07 < mnemoc> karasz: we need to get something else than spam there
23:07 < Veki> hi
23:08 < karasz> hmmm ML that wil be a little hard but i will try
23:08 < mnemoc> just attach the file
23:10 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10742 /trunk/scripts/functions: 
23:10 < CIA-9> * work around different escaping styles in get_expanded in
23:10 < CIA-9>  bash version 2 and 3... *gr*
23:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: thanks
23:13 < karasz> Veki: ????? ????
23:13 < karasz> damn that was hard....
23:14 < Veki> karasz hi
23:14 < karasz> :D
23:14 < Veki> how are you?
23:14 < karasz> mnemoc: i made another parrot thing
23:14 < karasz> well thank you Veki 
23:14 < karasz> and you?
23:15 < karasz> mnemoc: after build failed i restarted it with no downoload required...
23:15 < Veki> well, I have had no sleep to nights ago, and yesterday I have had a lot of meetings so I fell last night before 8.  TOday I am in full power again
23:15 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
23:15 < mnemoc> karasz: you know what to do
23:16 < karasz> yep seems my fingers are linked to Ctrl-C
23:17 < karasz> glad to hear that you are in full pwr :D
23:17 < jsaw> mnemoc: np
23:17 < Veki> ah, yes, I am building desktop target right now
23:18 < karasz> mnemoc: i am getting a little familiar with T2 now
23:18 < Veki> I was with mnemoc on line until 4.30 AM and I went on train at 5AM, haveing meeting all day, and of course back again to build target :)
23:21 < morfoh> good night everybody ... I've to sleep now. I can't take my eyes open any longer :/
23:21 < mnemoc> sleep well morfoh 
23:21 < morfoh> and I've to get up early
23:22 < morfoh> thanks mnemoc :)
23:22 < mnemoc> Veki: you got addicted
23:22 < Veki> sleep weel, in the world without fences who need gates, sleep well morfoh
23:22 < sepp> good night morfoh and dream of nudossi :D
23:22 < morfoh> sepp: I'll :)
23:22 < Veki> mnemoc: ah, yes, that is new disease, t2 addiction
23:23 < karasz> morfoh: take a good night sleep
23:23 < mnemoc> )
23:23 < mnemoc> :)
23:23 < Veki> mnemoc: a good freidn of mine recoded movie here called TT syndrom, and I asked him to make new version t2 syndrom 
23:24 < mnemoc> :)
23:24 < Veki> mnemoc: t2 is good thing despite all difficulties
23:25 < karasz> morfoh: egy jo alvas utan a nap is szebben sut
23:25 < mnemoc> ?
23:25 < Veki> karasz: is that HUngarian language?
23:25 < karasz> yes
23:25 < karasz> without spelling ofcourse
23:25 < Veki> so I understood a bit, I know some Hungarian words
23:26 < mnemoc> i understood 'nap' :)
23:26 < Veki> koszonyuk, karasz
23:26 < karasz> here in EE it is customary to knowe more than one language isn't it Veki 
23:26 < Veki> nap = day
23:26 < mnemoc> :(
23:26 < karasz> yes that is true
23:27 < karasz> translation:
23:27 < Veki> karasz: yes, I lived on north of my country in town Subotica where more than 40% of population are Hungarians
23:27 < karasz> morfoh: after a good (night) sleep even the sun shines more beautifuly
23:27 < morfoh> karasz: thanks :)
23:28 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10743 /trunk/package/network/ethereal/ethereal.desc: * updated ethereal (0.10.11 -> 0.10.12)
23:28 < Veki> mnemoc: nap is unfortunatelly not a in ENglish :(
23:28 < karasz> so go to sleep morfoh so you can come back in full power like Veki 
23:28 < karasz> mnemoc: i'll stick to english from now on
23:28 < Veki> karasz: you are jo pajtas
23:29 < karasz> Veki: i have my moments... :)
23:29 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
23:29 < Veki> OK, great
23:30 < karasz> if i can call that english...
23:30 < Veki> I have to learn some Spanish to mnemoc and keinek may accept my words
23:30 < karasz> Veki: i could teach you some spanish words for mr. keinek
23:31 < karasz> just do not reproduce them in public ever.. :D
23:31 < Veki> hm, keinek is teacher by profession so he can teach us :)
23:31 < Veki> we will not misbehave at keast in learning hw to say free software on Spanish
23:31 < karasz> I was just kidding ofcourse
23:32 < Veki> :D
23:33 < Veki> ah, yes a lot of languages have some words in common which may be dangerous in some situations
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23:34 < Veki> at least girl may misunderstand you
23:34 < Veki> :D
23:35  * sepp afk cu all
23:35 < karasz> this is for you Veki `programa de computadora libre`
23:35 < Veki> there is in CRoatia town called Pula and a lot of Romanina tourists were taking photographs in front of tabel at the entrance of twon with title Pula. so you know why
23:35 < karasz> and you can use it in public
23:36 < Veki> ok, thanks
23:36 < mnemoc> karasz: if fact we use 'software libre' :)
23:36 < karasz> abt the town, the same goes on with national money of Botswana
23:36 < Veki> mnemoc: ok, software libre is enough?
23:36 < mnemoc> yep
23:36 < karasz> mnemoc: i guessed that, but i wanted a translation only with spanish words...
23:37 < mnemoc> :)
23:37 < Veki> yes, karasz
23:37 < mnemoc> opensource software="programas de código abierto"
23:38 < Veki> mnemoc: thanks, you are good teacher.  Do we have homework?
23:38 < mnemoc> but "programas libres" and "programas libres de computadora" sounds odd
23:38 < karasz> we now have the two most important phrases regarding T2 in spanish
23:39 < karasz> heck romanian has a lot of false friends with english....
23:39 < karasz> where do they come from???
23:40 < karasz> one of them especialy bugs me
23:40 < mnemoc> :)
23:40 < karasz> library
23:40 < karasz> i don't know how many times i told different guys to check this or that library
23:41 < karasz> i was refering to windo... dlls
23:41 < karasz> they looked at me starngely
23:41 < karasz> nad i had to explain to them that by `librarie` i do not mean the bookshop on the corner
23:42 < mnemoc> what does it means?
23:42 < karasz> bookshop
23:42 < karasz> litaraly the place where you can find books for sale and other related stuff...
23:43 < karasz> paper, pencils and so on
23:43 < mnemoc> in spanish library=biblioteca  and bookshop=libreria
23:43 < mnemoc> same on spanish
23:43 < karasz> that's why spanish is a world language and romanian is not
23:44 < karasz> anyway i guess english guys got it wrong...:)
23:44 < mnemoc> spanish is world language because they decided to send colon :)
23:45 < Veki> mnemoc: yes, at the core of many "world" things is violence
23:45 < karasz> in to many languages library does not mean biblioteca
23:45 < Veki> in serbian library is biblioteca
23:47 < mnemoc> :)
23:48 < karasz> mnemoc: build fails
23:48 < mnemoc> karasz: what now?
23:48 < karasz> kdelibs
23:48 < karasz> no config directory
23:48 < mnemoc> uhm
23:48 < karasz> `/opt/kde3/share/config`
23:48 < karasz> it is a file not a dir
23:48 < mnemoc> with NOPARALLEL on [F] ?
23:49 < karasz> yes
23:49 < karasz> NOPARALLEL
23:49 < mnemoc> :'(
23:50 < karasz> so no kdelibs and kdebase
23:50 < karasz> now what?
23:52 < mnemoc> i haven't ever build a mnemosyne with kde... i guess i'll have to do it
23:52 < karasz> until then shouldn;t i make taht damn dir by hand?
23:53 < karasz> by the way subversion seems to build...
23:53 < CIA-9> chris * r10744 /trunk/package/python/silvercity/ (. silvercity.desc): * added SilverCity (0.9.5)
23:54 < mnemoc> karasz: what is it? a file? a symlink?
23:54 < karasz> it is a regular file
23:55 < karasz> here it comes
23:55 < karasz> [Desktop Entry]
23:55 < karasz> defaultfont=Cursor,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
23:55 < karasz> font=8
23:55 < karasz> just 3 lines
23:58 < karasz> subversion build fine, no errors
23:58 < karasz> should i make a diff against trunk?
23:58 < mnemoc> yes please
23:59 < mnemoc> but you can try to apply svn diff from 2.1 to trunk's
23:59 < karasz> there are no problems with that tagging stuff?
23:59 < mnemoc> nope
23:59 < karasz> i made my last svn up yesterday
23:59 < karasz> so no svn up just svn diff
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