--- Log opened Thu Jul 21 00:00:00 2005 00:06 < veki> OK, done, I think, part of configuration of GRUB or Lilo should be more precise for average user 00:12 < mnemoc_> rehi 00:13 < morfoh> hey ... wb mnemoc_ 00:13 < morfoh> veki: ack 00:14 < veki> ok, I am building generic target now. BUt, few questios, since this is clean install. I cannot find svn there 00:14 < veki> is svn installed by default or it should be added later on 00:14 < morfoh> veki: it depends on the target 00:14 < veki> hi mnemoc 00:15 < veki> I would like to have it on my freshly installed t2 machine 00:20 < morfoh> Emerge subversion 00:21 < veki> aarrrrghh, I put Emerge svn, crazy me!! 00:27 < veki> during the configuration of network it i sreported that result i swrong with :( although it i scorrect. That can confuse someone 00:40 < mnemoc_> that's documentation for :) 00:45 < veki> mnemoc: OK, no problem, I will take care on that :-) 01:04 < veki> when I am downloading from th emirror I am prompted that there is 404 error and that curl returns error 22. Original URL works fine 01:09 < mnemoc_> that is common when (1) the package was reciently updated (2) the mirror is outdated 01:09 < mnemoc_> if original location also fails you found a problem 01:17 < veki> hm, ok, my exdperience ethat always thefirst thing to do is svn up and after that the rest of th ethings may be done. Am I right? 01:17 < veki> btw, mnemoc, did you receive my Linux audio packages overview 01:17 < mnemoc_> yes 01:17 < mnemoc_> i haven't read it yet, but i'll do 01:17 < veki> mnemoc: please feel free to send me your comments 01:18 < mnemoc_> :) 01:19 < veki> :-) 01:26 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFE735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:26 < veki> mnemoc: wxpython aborted since ./scripts/functions: line 793: python command not found 01:27 < mnemoc_> wxpython needs python 01:27 < mnemoc_> grep python config/foo/packages 01:27 < veki> uhm, I suppose that has happened since python aborted, but it aborted 01:28 < veki> due to error in modules readline 01:28 < mnemoc_> if it fail, it's natural for it's dependees to fail 01:28 < veki> so readline is needed also before python 01:28 < veki> ? 01:29 < mnemoc_> priorities are ok 01:29 < mnemoc_> you don't need to change anything on .desc files 01:29 < mnemoc_> just on your pkgsel 01:29 < veki> ok 01:29 < veki> hm it was consequence of Emerge Pkg subversion 01:30 < mnemoc_> Emerge has one level of dependencies resolution 01:30 < mnemoc_> Emerge-Pkg -deps=none apr apr-utils subversion is enough 01:30 < veki> ok, this is very important to know 01:31 < mnemoc_> imo Emerge-Pkg is harmfull 01:31 < veki> hm, so what you propose 01:31 < mnemoc_> for subverison, -deps=none 01:31 < mnemoc_> or add it to your target 01:32 < veki> should I cleanup the rest of packages? 01:32 < mnemoc_> no need 01:32 < veki> ok 01:32 < mnemoc_> but if you want to keep your room clean, do it 01:33 < veki> yes, it is idea to keep it clean 01:33 < mnemoc_> i sent a mail about Emerge-Pkg but i haven't get reply yet 01:33 < veki> ./scripts/Cleanup -cache 01:33 < mnemoc_> (only one about .gem distribution) 01:33 < mnemoc_> no no 01:33 < veki> maybe they do nt like your mail :) 01:33 < mnemoc_> ccache is your friend 01:33 < mnemoc_> don't delete it 01:34 < veki> ok 01:35 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Cleanup and ./scripts/Cleanup -download 01:35 < CIA-9> amery * r10381 /branches/2.1/package/base/ (device-mapper/device-mapper.desc lvm2/lvm2.desc): 01:35 < CIA-9> * merged 9158,9685 from trunk: updated device-mapper (1.01.00 -> 1.01.03) 01:35 < CIA-9> * merged 9160,9785,10215 from trunk: updated lvm2 (2.01.04 -> 2.01.13) 01:37 < veki> should I specify download directory when using Cleanup download 01:37 < CIA-9> amery * r10382 /branches/2.1/package/base/hddtemp/hddtemp.desc: * merged 9193 from trunk: updated hddtemp (0.3-beta12 -> 0.3-beta13) 01:37 < mnemoc_> nope 01:37 < mnemoc_> your download directory is always download/ 01:38 < veki> ok, so it i sby default 01:38 < mnemoc_> Cleanup -download removes only obsolete files 01:38 < mnemoc_> it's not default, it's hardcoded :) 01:38 < veki> :) 01:41 -!- karasz_ [~chatzilla@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 01:41 -!- karasz [~chatzilla@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:41 -!- karasz_ is now known as karasz 01:44 < veki> hi karasz 01:44 < CIA-9> amery * r10383 /branches/2.1/package/base/syslog-ng/head_n.patch: * merged 9274 from trunk: fixed syslog-ng to do `head -n` on configure scripts 01:46 < CIA-9> amery * r10384 /branches/2.1/package/cad/pcb/pcb.desc: * merged 9183 from trunk: updated pcb (20050127 -> 20050315) 01:47 < CIA-9> amery * r10385 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/lesspipe/lesspipe.desc: * merged 9498 from trunk: updated lesspipe (1.44 -> 1.51) 01:48 < CIA-9> amery * r10386 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/vidix/vidix.desc: * merged 9239 from trunk: updated vidix (0.9.9 -> 0.9.9.1) 01:57 < CIA-9> amery * r10387 /branches/2.1/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * merged 9385 from trunk: updated mysql (4.1.10a -> 4.1.12) 01:58 < CIA-9> amery * r10388 /branches/2.1/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * merged 9979 from trunk: updated postgresql (8.0.2 -> 8.0.3) 02:02 < CIA-9> amery * r10389 /branches/2.1/package/database/metakit/metakit.desc: * merged 9806 from trunk: updated metakit (2.4.9.3 -> 2.4.9.4) 02:13 < veki> mnemoc: I have to go to sleep is 2 AM here. cu tomorrow 02:14 -!- veki [~vedran@217.24.19.40] has quit ["leaving"] 02:49 < CIA-9> amery * r10390 /branches/2.1/package/develop/diffstat/diffstat.desc: * merged 8551 from trunk: updated diffstat (1.38 -> 1.39) 02:52 < CIA-9> amery * r10391 /branches/2.1/package/develop/valgrind/ (valgrind.conf valgrind.desc): 02:52 < CIA-9> * merged 9222 from trunk: updated valgrind (2.2.0 -> 2.4.0) 02:52 < CIA-9> * merged 9224,9225 from trunk: simplified valgrind srctar overwrite and fixed to build for ppc 02:55 < CIA-9> amery * r10392 /branches/2.1/package/develop/doxygen/doxygen.desc: * merged 9217 from trunk: updated doxygen (1.4.2 -> 1.4.3) 02:55 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 03:19 < CIA-9> amery * r10395 /branches/2.1/package/develop/hdf5/hdf5.desc: * merged 9226 from trunk: updated hdf5 (1.6.3 -> 1.6.4) 03:19 < CIA-9> amery * r10394 /branches/2.1/package/develop/oprofile/ (oprofile.conf oprofile.desc): * merged 9288 from trunk: * 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package to embedded package selection 05:45 < CIA-9> * merged 9696 from trunk: fixed the embedded target to set the STATIC config option when dietlibc is in use - fixes ncurses 05:45 < CIA-9> * merged 9703 from trunk: changed embedded target to build perl only for uclibc 05:45 < CIA-9> * merged 9718 from trunk: added openssl to embedded/uclibc package selection 05:46 < CIA-9> * merged 10134 from trunk: changed libpng to embedded/uclibc package selection 05:46 < CIA-9> * merged 10213 from trunk: added vlan to embedded package selection 05:58 < mnemoc> sepp: on 7424 mtr moved hte from stage 2 to stage 3, i don't know why it was on stage 3 but i do for stage 2. the answer is simple, i needed to get it cross-compiled to test uclibc when we were unable to enter chroot 06:14 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-255-206.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 06:15 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-255-206.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 06:18 < CIA-9> amery * r10412 /branches/2.1/package/emulators/bochs/ (bochs.desc 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/branches/2.1/package/games/crimson/crimson.desc: * merged 9731 from trunk: updated crimson (0.4.6 -> 0.4.8) 07:12 < CIA-9> amery * r10419 /branches/2.1/package/games/freeciv/freeciv.desc: * merged 8542 from trunk: updated freeciv (2.0.0 -> 2.0.1) 07:13 < CIA-9> amery * r10420 /branches/2.1/package/games/asc/asc.desc: * merged 9451 from trunk: updated asc (1.15.2.1 -> 1.15.3.0) 07:17 < CIA-9> amery * r10421 /trunk/package/graphic/skencil/skencil.desc: * updated skencil (0.6.16 -> 0.6.17) 07:19 < CIA-9> amery * r10422 /trunk/package/graphic/skencil/skencil.desc: * changed skencil from Beta to Stable, as their site claims. 07:59 -!- mika__ [~mika@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 08:00 < mnemoc> moin mika__ 08:00 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 08:01 -!- mika__ is now known as mipe 08:01 < mipe> hi mnemoc 08:02 < Shingo--> Hi, I'm try to start using T2 to build one system, but I get some error to download some files. 08:02 < Shingo--> how can I proceed? 08:02 < mnemoc> what version of T2? 08:02 < Shingo--> I'm get from svn. :-) 08:03 < mnemoc> trunk or branch/2.1? 08:03 < mipe> damm this vr programming is getting to my nerves, specially when using commercial scenegraph that is build using no logic at all 08:03 < mnemoc> mipe: for univ? 08:03 < mipe> mnemoc: summer job at my school 08:04 < mipe> damm school starts in few weeks 08:04 < mnemoc> Shingo--: download first tries to grab files from the faster mirror, then it tries original location, then it fails 08:05 < mnemoc> Shingo--: if the package was reciently updated or the faster mirror is outdated you will get troubles 08:05 < Shingo--> nope. 08:05 < mnemoc> Shingo--: what is failing? 08:05 < Shingo--> may I put some line here? 08:06 < mnemoc> yes 08:06 < Shingo--> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0,544 seconds (0,000 bytes/sec). 08:06 < Shingo--> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 08:06 < Shingo--> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 22. Please read the curl manpage. 08:06 < Shingo--> INFO: download from mirror failed, trying original URL. 08:06 < Shingo--> ######################################################################## 100,0% 08:06 < Shingo--> Finished downloading 146392 bytes in 10,708 seconds (13671,000 bytes/sec). 08:06 < Shingo--> cksum-test (bzip2): download/mirror/p/patchutils-0.2.31.tar.bz2 08:06 < Shingo--> Downloading texinfo:download/mirror/t/texinfo-4.7.tar.gz ... 08:06 < Shingo--> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0,542 seconds (0,000 bytes/sec). 08:06 < Shingo--> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 08:06 < Shingo--> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 22. Please read the curl manpage. 08:06 < Shingo--> INFO: download from mirror failed, trying original URL. 08:06 < Shingo--> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0,005 seconds (0,000 bytes/sec). 08:06 < Shingo--> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 08:06 < Shingo--> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 22. Please read the curl manpage. 08:07 < mnemoc> texinfo-4.7 is not available on mirror, and also missing in original location... 08:08 < Shingo--> but where is the error? 08:08 < mnemoc> Downloading texinfo:download/mirror/t/texinfo-4.7.tar.gz ... 08:08 < mnemoc> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 08:08 < mnemoc> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 08:08 < mnemoc> the first comes from the mirror (outdated) 08:08 < Shingo--> do a manual download? 08:09 < mnemoc> i suggest you to download everything possible from that fast mirror 08:09 < mnemoc> and then change it to use an slower but updated one 08:09 < Shingo--> how to update mirror list? I think it was updated from the site. 08:09 < mnemoc> vi download/Mirror 08:10 < mnemoc> trunk or branch/2.1? 08:10 < Shingo--> but where is the mirror list? 08:10 < Shingo--> trunk 08:11 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/t2-mirror/2.2.0-alpha 2.2.0-alpha 08:11 < mnemoc> ^---- put that on your download/Mirror 08:11 -!- [Kosh] [~kosh_nare@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 08:11 < mnemoc> after you downloaded everything from the faste one 08:12 < mnemoc> anyway, the list is at src/Download-Mirror-List 08:16 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/t2-mirror/2.2.0-alpha/t/texinfo-4.7.tar.bz2 <--- if you want to download it manualy 08:17 < Shingo--> I put the mirror and works ok. :-) 08:18 < mnemoc> :) 08:20 < mnemoc> uhm www.mirror.ac.uk doesn't have texinfo.... 08:28 < CIA-9> amery * r10423 /branches/2.1/package/filesystem/parted/parted.desc: * merged 9231,10261 from trunk: updated parted (1.6.21 -> 1.6.23) 08:34 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:53 < minto> moin 09:01 < mipe> hi minto 09:03 < minto> Hi mipe 09:03 < minto> T2 gets more popular, I see 3 new names on the channel :-) 09:03 < _Ragnar_> ;D 09:04 < minto> hi _Ragnar_ 09:05 < mtr_> moin minto mipe _Ragnar_ 09:06 < minto> hi mtr 09:06 < _Ragnar_> I was just about to head to bed 09:06 < _Ragnar_> so: goodnight :) 09:06 < minto> _Ragnar_: I just got out of it :-) 09:06 < _Ragnar_> :D 09:06 < minto> sleep well 09:07 < _Ragnar_> thanks have a nice day :) 09:12 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 09:12 < morfoh> moin 09:12 < minto> morning morfoh 09:12 < morfoh> good morning minto 09:23 < mipe> hi morfoh 09:23 < morfoh> hi mipe 09:26 < mtr_> morfoh: moin, and thanks for the openssl fix, i'm really sorry that you got in such svn troubles ... ;) 09:26 < morfoh> arrrg ... no problem . it was my fault 09:26 < mipe> damm, mtr problems 09:26 < mipe> with the package ofcourse 09:27 < mtr_> mipe: ? 09:27 < mipe> cannot find libresolv, res_mkquery not found 09:27 < mipe> ehm, base/mtr package 09:30 < CIA-9> chris * r10424 /branches/2.1/package/python/python/python.conf: * merged r9811: added postmake hook for touching /etc/profile.d/python exporting the right PYTHON env var 09:34 < mipe> hmm, why doesnt aclocal get opt/gnome2/share/aclocal/gtk-2.0.m4? during running aclocal 09:35 < mipe> i patched mtr configure.in and need to recreate configure 09:44 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.8] has joined #t2 09:47 < mnemoc_> gn8 * 09:47 < morfoh> mnemoc_: can take a short look at my last query ??? please ? 09:48 < mnemoc_> copy&paste please 09:48 < mnemoc_> i guess i missed it 09:48 < morfoh> yes :) 09:49 < minto> sleep well mnemoc 09:59 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.111] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:35 < karasz> a nice new day to you all :) 11:00 < CIA-9> rene * r10425 /trunk/package/kde/kbluetooth/ (. kdebluetooth.cache kdebluetooth.conf kdebluetooth.desc): * added kdebluetooth (1.0_beta1) 11:01 < rxr_> re 11:01 -!- You're now known as rxr 11:04 < morfoh> hi rxr, karasz 11:04 < karasz> hi morfoh 11:04 < CIA-9> rene * r10426 /trunk/package/kde/kbluetooth/ (kdebluetooth.conf kdebluetooth.desc): * copyright and checksum for the kdebluetooth package - sorry 11:13 -!- [Kosh] [~kosh_nare@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:18 < CIA-9> rene * r10427 /trunk/package/kde/ (kbluetooth/ kdebluetooth/): * oops - tricked svn by accidently renaming a already added dir 11:19 < CIA-9> msluis * r10428 /trunk/package/audio/qjackctl/qjackctl.desc: * update qjackctl (0.2.17 -> 0.2.18) 11:20 < mipe> wohoo,finally mtr builded 11:21 < CIA-9> msluis * r10429 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * update man-pages (2.04 -> 2.07) 11:23 < CIA-9> msluis * r10430 /trunk/package/develop/commonc++/commonc++.desc: * update commonc++ (1.3.11 -> 1.3.15) 11:24 < CIA-9> msluis * r10431 /trunk/package/filesystem/vcdimager/vcdimager.desc: * update vcdimager (0.7.21 -> 0.7.23) 11:25 < CIA-9> msluis * r10432 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtksourceview/gtksourceview.desc: * update gtksourceview (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1) 11:25 < CIA-9> msluis * r10433 /trunk/package/java/classpath/classpath.desc: * update classpath (0.16 -> 0.17) 11:26 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/system/regressions.html 11:26 < mipe> nearly there 11:27 < CIA-9> msluis * r10434 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/lighttpd.desc: * update lighttpd (1.3.14 -> 1.3.15) 11:31 < CIA-9> rene * r10435 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.postinstall: 11:31 < CIA-9> * fixed gdm.postinstall to create the Sessions directory which latest 11:31 < CIA-9> gdm versions do not seem to do ... 11:33 < CIA-9> rene * r10436 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 11:33 < CIA-9> * unified login manager postinstall script output and removed the ROCK 11:33 < CIA-9> prefix from the "creating ... from the wm registry" output 11:39 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/61092 11:39 < rxr> ^- 60000EUR SPARC laptop ... 11:42 < rxr> GNU CLISP 2.34 vcdimager (0.7.21 -> 0.7.23) 11:43 < minto> rxr: GNU CLISP ...????? 11:44 < rxr> sorry the later half was due to lagging ssh and accident paste ... 11:44 < minto> ahh 11:44 < CIA-9> msluis * r10437 /trunk/package/multimedia/kphone/ (gcc34.patch kphone.desc): * update kphone (4.1.1 -> 4.2) 11:46 < rxr> minto: is in an update fever ? 11:46 < minto> :-) 11:46 < morfoh> :) 11:46 < minto> Someone has to do it 11:47 < minto> I am thinking about writing a how to update packages. 11:47 < minto> Should be fairly easy for newbees. 11:47 < CIA-9> rene * r10438 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (12 files in 4 dirs): * the next archivista preconfiguration rootfs overlay 11:47 < rxr> yep 11:47 < rxr> s.th. like T2 janitors of how they are called ... 11:48 < rxr> btw. skip gnome - susan might update gnome today 11:48 < minto> ack 11:48 < minto> I am only updating what shows up in the updates mail. 11:49 < minto> I still have a few pending, but they did not work straight away. 11:49 < minto> Can someone have a look why lstrace fails on noisy. 11:50 < CIA-9> rene * r10439 /trunk/target/ (generic/config.in livecd/config.in): * updated the dietlibc packages for generic and livecd 11:50 * minto has to feed Merlyn, brb 11:55 < mipe> minto: noisy is amd64? 11:56 < morfoh> mipe: yes ... noisy is amd64 11:57 < mipe> hmm,ltrace builds but strace is disabled on me... you get the ptrace.h error? 11:58 < mipe> i have few patches to submit for amd64 fixes,but wont do it just yet... 12:11 < CIA-9> rene * r10440 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplud.d/ (. default/ default/90-backup.hotplug): * added automated backup to usb devices to the archivista target 12:26 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:33 < minto> mipe, morfoh: although noisy is amd64 I am currently building 32 bits reference builds. 12:34 < minto> Regressions reports are available at: 12:34 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/reference-32/log/3-ltrace.err 12:34 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/2.1/regressions/reference-32/log/3-ltrace.err 12:39 < mipe> minto: your host is 64bit? it looks like its building x86-64 on ltrace 12:40 < minto> Seems ltrace detects the host system and configures accordingly. 12:41 < mipe> if your host is 64bit, you need to pass -m32 to gcc,this can be done from Config i think... 12:44 < minto> uhmm? In additional compiler flags? 12:44 < mipe> yep 12:45 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 12:45 < minto> Here it goes 12:47 < minto> Hmm, same result, but I can't find the -m32 in the log. 12:47 < Shingo--> I get another error? about -mcpu stuff. how can I make my own CFLAGS? 12:48 < mipe> minto:err log? 12:49 < minto> Looks the same as before, but I will create a fresh regression report 12:49 < Shingo--> may I put my terminal output here? 12:50 < minto> Shingo--: Only a few lines please 12:50 < Shingo--> !> `-mcpu=' is deprecated. Use `-mtune=' or '-march=' inste .. 12:50 < Shingo--> !> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/shingo/T2/src.glibc.sy .. 12:50 < Shingo--> !> make[1]: *** [csu/subdir_lib] Error 2 12:54 < minto> mipe: report is only (same link) 12:54 < minto> only = online 12:55 < mipe> 2.1 or trunk one? 12:55 < minto> trunk 13:00 < mipe> thats wierd 13:00 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:01 < mipe> has it build still 64bit toolchain? what does file build//usr/bin/gcc say 13:02 < minto> It is not there 13:04 < minto> Sorry it is there 13:05 < minto> Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libdir=/usr/lib --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --infodir=/usr/info --mandir=/usr/man --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-debug --enable-libpam --enable-pam --build=i586-t2-linux-gnu --host=i586-t2-linux-gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-multilib --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld... 13:05 < minto> # gcc -v 13:05 < minto> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc/i586-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.3/specs 13:05 < minto> ...--enable-threads=posix --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --disable-libgcj --enable-shared=yes 13:05 < minto> Thread model: posix 13:05 < minto> gcc version 3.4.3 13:06 < minto> I think the problem is in ./configure 13:06 < minto> config.log says: 13:06 < minto> hostname = noisy 13:06 < minto> uname -m = x86_64 13:06 < minto> uname -r = 2.6.12 13:06 < minto> uname -s = Linux 13:06 < minto> uname -v = #3 SMP Mon Jun 27 17:59:47 CEST 2005 13:06 < minto> /usr/bin/uname -p = unknown 13:06 < minto> /bin/uname -X = unknown 13:06 < minto> /bin/arch = x86_64 13:07 < minto> maybe --build or --host should be passed to configure? 13:07 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 13:08 < minto> Hi Shingo-- already more luck on your error? 13:08 < Shingo--> yes 13:08 < minto> good 13:10 < mipe> minto:ah yes it takes build from uname 13:13 < mipe> hmm, no thats not it 13:13 < mipe> but is gcc 64bit? 13:13 < minto> ERROR_LOG says: 13:14 < minto> Running ./configure --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libdir=/usr/lib --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --infodir=/usr/info --mandir=/usr/man --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-debug --disable-libpam --disable-pam _--build=i386-t2-linux-gnu --host=i386-t2-linux-gnu_ 13:14 < minto> hmm, --host and --build already passed. 13:16 < minto> mipe: How can I find out if gcc is 64 bits? 13:19 < mipe> file gcc 13:19 < mipe> in build/*/usr/bin 13:20 < minto> /gcc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, ... 13:21 < minto> I think I found it. ./sysdeps/Makefile says: 13:22 < minto> ARCH := $(shell uname -m | sed -e s/i.86/i386/ -e s/sun4u/sparc64/ -e s/arm.*/arm/ -e s/sa110/arm/) 13:22 < mipe> yep 13:22 < mipe> var_append makeopt ARCH=i386 13:22 < minto> How do I solve it? 13:22 < mipe> ups thats wrong 13:22 < mipe> var_append makeopt ' ' 'ARCH=i386' 13:22 < minto> ah, I will try 13:23 < minto> Uhmm, how about crossbuilding? 13:23 < minto> I think I need a more generic solution. 13:24 < minto> Let's see what t2 variables there are. 13:24 < mipe> i386 is also native to amd64 13:24 < mipe> ah.... dont know what variable holds arch.... 13:25 < minto> Sure, but what if I wanne build 64 bits later on? 13:25 < mipe> in src.ltrace* what is arch in debug.buildenv 13:25 < mipe> and arch_machine 13:27 < minto> declare -- arch="x86" 13:27 < minto> declare -- arch_machine="i386" 13:28 < mipe> var_append makeopt ' ' 'ARCH=$arch_machine' 13:28 < mipe> should do it 13:29 < mipe> but dont know about amd64, since i didnt see sed for that anyway in Makefile 13:30 < mipe> but the variable is correct for atleast i386 and x86_64 13:30 < minto> I will try 13:30 < mipe> to work on ltrace 13:33 < minto> maybe am64 does not need to be modified with the sed command, since there is a x86_64 directory for it. 13:34 < mipe> yep 13:36 < minto> Yuck, same result 13:44 < mipe> was it passed to make? 13:44 < minto> mipe: it seems ARCH is not passed from ltrace/Makefile to /ltrace/sysdeps/linux-gnu/Makefile 13:45 < minto> Doing it manually in the subdir works 13:46 < minto> Running make CC=gcc CPP=cpp CXX=g++ prefix=/usr ARCH=i386 13:46 < minto> ^--- is from the erro-log 13:47 < minto> I should have looked better, the error message are different. 13:50 < minto> Huh? seems like it tries to build both i386 and x86_64. 13:50 < minto> another line in the error-log says: 13:50 < minto> Running make CC=gcc CPP=cpp CXX=g++ prefix=/usr install. 13:52 < minto> Do I need to add ARCH to install options as well? 13:53 < minto> ahh makeinstopt 13:54 < mipe> hmm,yep 13:55 < minto> Let's see what happens now 13:55 < minto> Oeh, Oeh! it built 13:58 -!- [Kosh] [~kosh_nare@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 14:00 < mipe> good :) 14:04 < mipe> good :) 14:04 < mipe> ups 14:08 < CIA-9> mtr * r10442 /trunk/package/editors/lyx/ (. lyx.cache lyx.desc): * added lyx (1.3.6) 14:09 < CIA-9> mtr * r10443 /trunk/package/x11/xforms/ (. xforms.cache xforms.desc): * added xforms (1.0.90) 14:11 < CIA-9> mtr * r10444 /trunk/package/multimedia/mpgtx/ (. mpgtx.cache mpgtx.desc): * added mpgtx (1.3.1) 14:12 < CIA-9> mtr * r10445 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvdstyler/ (. dvdstyler.cache dvdstyler.desc): * added dvdstyler (1.4) 14:14 < CIA-9> mtr * r10446 /trunk/package/multimedia/qdvdauthor/ (. qdvdauthor.cache qdvdauthor.conf qdvdauthor.desc): * added qdvdauthor (0.0.10) 14:24 < mipe> lol,www.myscreen.org 14:24 < mipe> to watch kde devs on the work 14:27 < CIA-9> mtr * r10447 /trunk/package/network/ifstat/ (. ifstat.cache ifstat.desc): * added ifstat (1.1) 14:32 < CIA-9> rene * r10448 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/network.sh: * added custom network configuration 14:37 < CIA-9> msluis * r10449 /trunk/package/base/ltrace/ltrace.conf: 14:37 < CIA-9> * fixed ltrace to build 32 bits on x86_64 (not crosscompile). Fix 14:37 < CIA-9> is probably necessary for crossbuilding as well. 14:42 < CIA-9> mtr * r10450 /trunk/package/network/bacula/ (8 files): 14:42 < CIA-9> * updated bacula (1.36.3 -> 1.37.30 Beta) 14:42 < CIA-9> * made database selection a build time config option: 14:42 < CIA-9> only one of MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLite2/3 is supported 14:42 < CIA-9> * enabled gnome and wxwidgets gui console 14:42 < CIA-9> * added .init scripts 14:45 < CIA-9> mtr * r10451 /trunk/package/security/openssl/md4_size_t.patch: * added another openssl header file patch for md4.h (hostap likes it) 14:48 < CIA-9> mtr * r10452 /trunk/package/security/ (libchipcard/libchipcard.desc libchipcard2/libchipcard2.desc): 14:48 < CIA-9> * fix libchipcard due to latest opensc update 14:48 < CIA-9> * set sysconfdir to /etc 14:51 < morfoh> mtr_: thanks for the bacula stuff :) ... unfortunately I've done the same work 14:56 < CIA-9> rene * r10453 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added missing jpeg2ps to the archivista target 14:58 < mtr_> morfoh: : duplicate work :( always a waste of ressources 14:59 < minto> What can we do to prevent duplicate work? 15:00 -!- mipe [~mika@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["back_to_work"] 15:00 < morfoh> minto: dunno ... hmmm. perhaps trac ? but I don't know. I'm not quite well today anyway ... so just ignore some dumb proposals 15:01 < minto> morfoh: that't not a dump proposal. I think it is quite good. 15:02 < morfoh> minto: it would be nice to "wire" trac and the update list to generate update request in trac automatically 15:03 < morfoh> mtr_: nice work regarding bacula :) 15:03 < mtr_> what about www2? something like TODO's on the wiki 15:04 < minto> Maybe we should write some kind of work-process. like. 15:04 < minto> 1) Look at existing trac issues 15:04 < minto> 2) either pick one or create a new one 15:04 < minto> 3) mark issues you are working on (so other people _can_ know) 15:04 < minto> 4) document progress if it takes a lot of work. 15:04 < minto> 5) finish the issue. 15:04 < morfoh> mtr_: yes ... that would be an option too 15:05 < morfoh> minto: ack ... I'd prefer integrating it into trac .... 15:05 < minto> Every commit should have a related trac issue 15:06 < mtr_> is it possible to search for such issues in trac? 15:06 < morfoh> mtr_: you can define custom reports 15:06 < morfoh> mtr_: and of course searching for it 15:07 < morfoh> mtr_: it has also the function for just showing ticktets that were assigned to you 15:07 < morfoh> etc etc ... 15:08 < mtr_> morfoh: in such cases it would be interesting to search through tickets of others, e.g. if someone else is currrently working on package xyz 15:08 < minto> bbl 15:08 < morfoh> I think that is possible but I've to check it to be sure 15:08 < morfoh> cu minto 15:10 < morfoh> mtr_: or we have to extend trac for that ... pulling out the needed information from the underlying sqlite db 15:11 < morfoh> mtr_: but I think it's possible to define custom queries anyway 15:12 < morfoh> ok folks ... I'm away for a while ... cu later 15:13 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:14 < mtr_> yep, bbl 15:26 < rxr> how is mod_perl activated in apach 2 ? 15:26 < rxr> apache 2 even 15:30 < rxr> mnemoc_: ? 15:41 < rxr> ok - found the issue 15:41 < rxr> LoadModule perl_module modules/mod_perl.so 15:42 < rxr> I intuitively wrote mod_perl or so ... 15:58 < minto> mnemoc: r10449 applies to 2.1 as well. 15:58 < minto> mnemoc_: r10449 applies to 2.1 as well. 16:23 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFF9BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:24 < morfoh> re hi 16:25 < rxr> rehi morfoh 16:26 < morfoh> hi rxr, how is the work goping ? 16:26 < morfoh> going 16:28 < minto> Oeps, London was hit again 16:28 < morfoh> minto: yes 16:35 -!- root_ [~root@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 16:35 -!- root_ [~root@217.24.19.40] has quit [Client Quit] 16:51 < CIA-9> rene * r10454 /trunk/package/graphic/pdftk/ (. pdftk.conf pdftk.desc): * added pdftk (1.12) - untested but should build (requires JAVA ...) 16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r10455 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: 16:53 < CIA-9> * added pdftk and curl to the archivista target - the first is required 16:53 < CIA-9> the later convenient for building t2 inside the resulting target 17:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: so when I update gnome to 2.10.2 you want me to run a shell script iterating over every updatee ? not a big, atomic 2.10.2 update, right ? 17:03 < CIA-9> rene * r10456 /trunk/target/archivista/ (config.in pkgsel): 17:03 < CIA-9> * removed the userspace memtester and forced GCC's JAVA for the 17:03 < CIA-9> archivista target 17:06 < rxr> 1737 packages in tree ... 17:08 < minto> :-) 17:20 < rxr> mnemoc_: Binc IMAP 1.2.13final (Stable) 17:27 < CIA-9> rene * r10457 /trunk/package/editors/ne/ne.desc: * updated ne (1.39 -> 1.40) 17:30 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.226.3.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 17:32 < mnemoc_> re 17:32 < mnemoc_> rxr: you can freely bound gnome updates as far as they are all 2.10.1 -> 2.10.2 17:34 < morfoh> hi mnemoc_ 17:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: hi morfoh 17:34 < mnemoc_> :p 17:34 < morfoh> :P 17:34 < mnemoc_> hi rxr, morfoh, sepp_, minto 17:35 < minto> hi mnemoc 17:37 < morfoh> I'm updating bincimap12 <--- just a note 17:38 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 17:39 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.222.63.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:44 < CIA-9> rene * r10458 /trunk/TODO: 17:44 < CIA-9> * some private TODO addons, I know we have a tracker now - to be 17:44 < CIA-9> added there the next time ... 17:45 < morfoh> .oO( a private TODO list on a public repo )o :) 17:46 < rxr> morfoh: ehrm - what I should do on t2 ... 17:46 < rxr> of course not my shopping or holiday preparation ... 17:46 < morfoh> hehe :D 17:46 < mnemoc_> :) 17:46 < morfoh> rxr: I know 17:46 < rxr> of course you are free to work on those items as well ... 17:47 < morfoh> rxr: thx :) 17:47 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you comment Emerge-Pkg mail? 17:48 < rxr> mnemoc_: ouhm ... 17:48 < rxr> yeah - I know Emerge needs improvements ... 17:48 < rxr> but - I wonder if I have the time to comment ... 17:49 < morfoh> how the hell has renamed the ipsvd bincimap patch and has not adapted the changes in "pkg_bincimap12_pre.conf" ? 17:49 < morfoh> who 17:49 < rxr> guess not /me ... 17:50 < mnemoc_> svn info over the patch 17:50 < morfoh> I'd wonder if that was tested before the commit :) 17:50 < mnemoc_> i doubt 17:51 < mnemoc_> btw, rxr: waimea doesn't like cairo update 17:51 < rxr> ouhm 17:51 < mnemoc_> and hal patch doesn't apply anymore to gnome-volume-manager 17:51 < rxr> then don't update cairo for now 17:51 < rxr> .oO 17:51 < mnemoc_> i wont 17:51 < mnemoc_> but i thought you used it 17:51 < mnemoc_> i was just telling you 17:52 < rxr> nope - it was a proof of concept T2 eye candy demo ... 17:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: yep - thanks 17:52 < mnemoc_> ic :) 17:52 < rxr> a nice to have thikng (tm) 17:52 < rxr> I use either a full blown KDE - or on less fast CPUs e16 ... 17:53 < morfoh> mnemoc_: --> svn log -r 6784 <-- I guess I know why you said "I doubt" 17:53 < morfoh> :p 17:53 < mnemoc_> :) 17:54 < mnemoc_> i test when i merge :) 17:54 < rxr> 19260 root 25 0 3288 696 524 R 92.0 0.1 34:32.20 pkg-config 17:54 < rxr> ^- oehm - ! 17:54 < morfoh> mnemoc_: ah ... I see ... good man :) 17:54 < rxr> this is why libgnome does not finish ... 17:54 < mnemoc_> rxr: ? 17:54 < mnemoc_> rxr: odd owner? 17:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: ? 17:55 < mnemoc_> oh, thats a ps 17:55 < mnemoc_> my brain is frozen :) 17:55 < rxr> pkg-config 0.17 17:55 < rxr> the broken one I think 17:55 < rxr> me emerging ... 17:55 < rxr> oh - 0.18 ... 17:55 < rxr> the last time I saw it it was 0.16 - downdated due to breakage ... 17:55 < rxr> is 0.18 fully tested ? 17:56 < rxr> ok - silence ... 17:56 < rxr> ic 17:57 < mnemoc_> we have an agile trunk :) 17:57 < rxr> which is good ,-) 17:57 < rxr> isn't it ? 17:57 < CIA-9> chris * r10459 /trunk/package/network/ipsvd/pkg_bincimap12_pre.conf: * fixed a "typo" in pkg_bincimap12_pre.conf which fixes the proper bincimap patch injection 17:58 < mnemoc_> 0.16.0 on 2.1 17:58 < mnemoc_> of course it is 17:58 < mnemoc_> 0.17 had the recursion change 17:58 < CIA-9> chris * r10460 /trunk/package/mail/bincimap12/bincimap12.desc: * updated bincimap (1.2.13beta1 -> 1.2.13final) 17:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: ack 17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, nested stuff seems not to work so far 17:59 < mnemoc_> morfoh: what part? config is not implemented yet 18:00 < mnemoc_> and .patch collection should be done in backware 18:00 < morfoh> mnemoc_: aha! 18:01 < mnemoc_> .oO( where is firefox icon? )o 18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc_: so I've to include config.in from mnemosyne if I want to extend it ... right ? 18:02 < mnemoc_> you have to include $target/config.in for each $target 18:02 < mnemoc_> on the chain 18:03 < morfoh> mnemoc_: ok ... ic. I guess that's the missing piece atm. 18:03 < rxr> pkg-config 0.18 passed libgnome configure ... 18:03 < mnemoc_> but $target/config.in has to be splited, to do options on config.in and changes to packages file on postconfig.in 18:04 < mnemoc_> :) 18:04 < morfoh> mnemoc_: ok ... I'll check that out 18:05 < rxr> ok - libgnome finished now ... 18:05 < mnemoc_> .oO( why PIL is not installing .h anymore? )o 18:05 < rxr> == 17:59:11 =[9]=> Building gnome2/libgnome [2.10.1 2.2.0-alpha]. 18:05 < mnemoc_> rxr: :D 18:05 < rxr> == 07/21/05 18:01:49 =[9]=> Finished building package libgnome. 18:06 < rxr> so pkgconfig 0.18 is at least better than 0.17 ,... 18:07 < minto> Why was some (and not all) of the documentation moved from ./Documentation to ./misc/share? 18:07 < rxr> minto: because those are used from scripts 18:08 < minto> I find it confusing for the doc to be in separate places. 18:08 < rxr> minto: the trunk will soon not have any doc at all 18:08 < mnemoc_> stuff on ./misc/share shall be documented on cMS 18:08 < rxr> the docs that have been moved are data files of the shell scripts 18:08 < mnemoc_> CMS* 18:09 < mnemoc_> those are 'internals' 18:09 < minto> Okay 18:09 < morfoh> mnemoc_: ERROR: plugins config was not rendered! <-- while running Config 18:09 < morfoh> # cat config.in 18:09 < morfoh> . ./target/mnemosyne/config.in 18:10 < mnemoc_> review if inside mnemosyne/config.in there are references to $target or $targetdir 18:17 < morfoh> I can't see a references to $target or $targetdir but the key was to create pkgsel and placing sth. into it ;) 18:17 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 18:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: I just move pkgsel/Base and voila :) 18:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's how I need it atm ... 18:18 < mnemoc> because it's looking on your children target for pkgsel instead of mnemosyne's 18:18 < morfoh> yes 18:18 < mnemoc> $target or $targetdir is the problem 18:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll try to add my custom pkgsel first and testing it ... 18:27 < CIA-9> amery * r10461 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/openexr/openexr.desc: * merged 9585 from trunk: updated openexr (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2) 18:28 < rxr> does anyone update firefox and thunderbird 18:28 < rxr> ? even 18:29 < minto> Is it straight forward? 18:29 < mnemoc> 1.0.5 iirc 18:29 < mnemoc> i'm running it 18:29 < rxr> .6 is there, no ? 18:29 < mnemoc> no idea :) 18:30 < rxr> Download Thunderbird 1.0.6 18:30 < rxr> Firefox 1.0.6 18:30 < rxr> update anyone ? 18:32 < mnemoc> i'll start download it 18:32 < mnemoc> update comes after checksum 18:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: I could too ... if you connection sucks 18:32 < mnemoc> them* 18:32 < mnemoc> you do it :) 18:32 < morfoh> haha :) 18:32 < rxr> ok - thanks folks 18:33 < minto> morfoh: I could too if your processor sucks ;-) 18:33 < minto> Hmm, that's a lie I have to shutdown noisy :-) 18:33 < morfoh> .oO( minto is a dazzler )o :p 18:34 < morfoh> minto: aha! now you retract your offer 18:34 < morfoh> :) 18:34 < mnemoc> the three p166 i'm installing here are noisy too 18:34 < rxr> eiiiii 18:35 < rxr> this gcj crap even builds corba fluff .. 18:35 < rxr> damn 18:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: I could send you a dual PII 400 if that would increase your speed ;) 18:35 < rxr> no wonder it does not finish 18:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: shipping payed? 18:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: haha :) 18:35 < mnemoc> :) 18:38 < morfoh> rxr: this evening Koehler will officialy tell via TV if we get elections in sept. 18:40 < CIA-9> amery * r10462 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/cinepaint/cinepaint.desc: * merged 9559 from trunk: updated cinepaint (0.19-0 -> 0.19-1) 18:40 < minto> mnemoc: I could give you access to noisy. It is only a pity I have to shut it down after 19:00 local time. 18:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: so hurry up you will have 20min. for fixing :p 18:41 < mnemoc> i don't feel my fingers.... i can't fix anything in 20 minutes this way 18:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! what happened ? 18:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: is it that cold ? 18:42 < mnemoc> 3°C outside, i thing i have 1 or 2 less here 18:42 < mnemoc> and i can't type with globes 18:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: :( 18:43 < minto> mnemoc: In that case use a notebook. They are mostly nice warm. :-) 18:43 < CIA-9> rene * r10463 /trunk/target/archivista/pkg_tetex.conf: 18:43 < CIA-9> * added a custom tetex config to the archivista target since it only 18:43 < CIA-9> needs epstopdf - this looks a bit rediculous, but that's how it is 18:43 < mnemoc> i do, but it's cold :| 18:43 < morfoh> minto: he is using one 18:43 < rxr> mnemoc: grab an non celeron one ... 18:43 < minto> :-( 18:43 < rxr> mnemoc: or schedule more builds on it ,-) 18:44 < mnemoc> p4 2.8 :) .... yes, a build may help 18:44 < rxr> the archivista tetex.conf is cool ,-) 18:44 < mnemoc> or obstructing the ventilation 18:44 < morfoh> rxr: what is so special ? 18:44 < rxr> that is it a bit strange to just deflate a bit tex tarball to get one perl script 18:45 < rxr> *g* 18:45 < morfoh> minto: afaik ... the DELL boxes are quite hot 18:45 < rxr> damn monster package ... 18:45 < morfoh> hehe :) 18:45 < mnemoc> morfoh: usually yes, but not now 18:45 < rxr> ouhm - gcj building swing 18:45 < rxr> I wonder how long I have to wait for that one ... 18:45 < mnemoc> why gcj? use kaffe 18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: I quickly replied to the Emerge mail 18:45 < mnemoc> ok 18:45 < rxr> though not too much comments to add from my side 18:46 < morfoh> Building www/firefox [1.0.6 2.2.0-alpha]. 18:46 < mnemoc> "your suggestions stinks, F* you -Rene" 18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 18:47 < morfoh> ouhm .. .what is happening here ??? 18:47 < mnemoc> nothing... i was thinking in a quick reply :) 18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: nna 18:47 < rxr> nah even 18:47 < mnemoc> :) 18:48 < morfoh> hmmm ... how long firefox needs apporx. to build ? 18:48 < morfoh> on a P4M 2GHz 18:49 < mnemoc> morfoh: one hour 18:49 < morfoh> ah! that's ok 18:49 < mnemoc> rxr: i was thinking in a 2.1-compatible Emerge-Pkg improvement 18:50 < rxr> ah yes - there you could do that 18:50 < CIA-9> rene * r10464 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/ (libgda.desc recent-bdb.patch): * updated libgda (1.3.3 -> 1.3.4) 18:51 < keinek> hi 18:51 < mnemoc> rxr: can you try to clean mozilla-friends on 2.2? 18:51 < mnemoc> hi keinek 18:52 < rxr> oeh - clean? 18:52 < rxr> you mean use the same gecko ? 18:52 < morfoh> hi keinek 18:52 < minto> hi keinek 18:53 < mnemoc> rxr: yes 18:54 < rxr> ouhm 18:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10465 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/inittab: 18:55 < CIA-9> * added the the missing archivista services to the archivista target's 18:55 < CIA-9> etc/inittab patch 18:59 < rxr> after flushin over 40.000 mails in linux-kernel, xorg, gcc, subversion, ... thunderbird got a bit more responding again 19:00 < mnemoc> does archivista autologin? 19:01 < rxr> yes, why ? 19:01 < mnemoc> to take the script :) i need that on some desktops 19:02 < rxr> you only nede to configure gdm or kdm 19:02 < rxr> usually i use kdm - look at the livecd config - not yet in SVN - but on the CD 19:02 -!- mtr___ [~Michael@p54AF8787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 19:02 < rxr> archivista does utilize gdm (not my decision) config diff is in SVN 19:03 < mnemoc> why do you need [xgk]dm to autologin? 19:04 < rxr> oehm - to do that cleanly ... 19:04 < rxr> my first live cd did it manually - but it sucks ... 19:04 < mnemoc> really? why? 19:06 < rxr> su the-user -c "startx" 19:06 < rxr> might do as well 19:07 < rxr> but login manager give you a lot of control of course ... 19:07 < rxr> I hacked that togethe for the first livecd ... 19:07 < rxr> maybe take a look into those - I do not remeber the details how I exactly run X 19:07 < rxr> finally gcc insatll running ... 19:08 < rxr> but I have to admit I just discovered a qemu was still running and burnign 20% cpu ... 19:08 -!- mtr___ [~Michael@p54AF8787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:09 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF9FB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:12 < rxr> binutils 2.16.91.0.2 is released 19:12 < rxr> still linux kernel needs to be patched for the stricter assembler syntax 19:14 < valentin> very short hi 19:14 < minto> mnemoc: qingy does autologin, doesn't it? 19:14 < valentin> rxr: will you be "here" tomorow ? 19:14 < valentin> hi all 19:14 < minto> Hi valentin 19:14 < morfoh> oh! hi valentin :) 19:14 < minto> how are you girls doing? 19:14 < morfoh> valentin: how are you and your family ? 19:14 < valentin> just fine, thank you 19:14 < morfoh> good :) 19:14 < mnemoc> minto: never used that fancy getty :) 19:15 < rxr> valentin: maybe a bit 19:15 < valentin> ok, maybe i'll have some cpio questions 19:15 < rxr> valentin: oehm - ah 19:15 < mnemoc> hi valentin 19:15 < rxr> valentin: shoudl I call later today ? 19:15 < mnemoc> valentin: how are your girls? 19:15 < minto> oh btw, mnemoc, unison rocks 19:15 < mnemoc> :) 19:16 < morfoh> minto: what is unison ? 19:16 < minto> or should I say t2s instead of rocks :-) 19:16 < valentin> rxr: no you don't have to 19:16 < valentin> hi mnemoc 19:16 < minto> I gotta go, bbl 19:16 < morfoh> cu minto 19:16 < valentin> cu minto and thanks for the muisjes 19:20 < keinek> mnemoc, the livecd is working fine? what about linux magazine? 19:23 < mnemoc> keinek: ask rene and valentin :) 19:24 < keinek> the last version is ready for download? 19:25 < morfoh> keinek: I guess not. I think there are some missing pieces if you would like to build a livecd atm. 19:25 < keinek> ok... but the iso for download ? 19:26 < morfoh> keinek: I think the "official" final version isn't there yet. but I don't know exactly 19:27 < mnemoc> keinek: http://torrent.t2-project.org/ <--- the gamma is there 19:27 < keinek> thanks 19:27 < keinek> i hate torrent. 19:27 < mnemoc> www.t2-project.org/livecd 19:28 < mnemoc> www.t2-project.org/live 19:29 < keinek> thanks. 19:29 < keinek> :) 19:35 < morfoh> package/www/mozilla/mozilla.conf: line 72: 26624 Segmentation fault LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./regchrome <-- firefox :( 19:35 < mnemoc> strace :) 19:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: ? 19:36 < mnemoc> ./debug.sh cd firefox-*; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. strace -vvtT ./regchrome 19:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: and now ? 19:39 < mnemoc> see where and why it's segfaulting :) 19:39 < mnemoc> -vvfF, not tT :\ 19:41 < morfoh> it doesn't output anything 19:42 < mnemoc> .oO 19:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think it failed because I screwed up my system the last days 19:43 < mnemoc> openssl thing? 19:43 < morfoh> I guess yes 19:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: should I commit the update anyway ... and somebody else trying to build it on a "cleaner" system ? 19:45 < mnemoc> to trunk, yes 19:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: of course to trunk 19:46 < morfoh> :) 19:46 < morfoh> oh! no! wait ... I will merge it to 2.1 now :p 19:48 < mnemoc> :) 19:50 < CIA-9> chris * r10466 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (1.0.5 -> 1.0.6) 19:50 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:09 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:18 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 20:47 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:48 < minto> hi 20:50 < morfoh> re hi minto 20:50 < minto> howdy morfoh 21:01 < minto> :-) 21:02 * minto is glad he modified the shadow patch into a script. 21:02 < CIA-9> msluis * r10467 /trunk/package/base/shadow/shadow.desc: * update shadown (4.0.11 -> 4.0.11.1) 21:02 < morfoh> minto: :) 21:03 < minto> morfoh: what package is really smal and can do no harm. I wanne do some testing. 21:05 < morfoh> minto: uhm? what do you want to test seems to be important for an answer :) 21:05 < minto> I found one, bize 21:06 < mnemoc> bize is a mine replacemente for .tar.bz2 21:06 < minto> I wanne test my mailcap enhancement for parse-config. 21:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: is bize ok ? 21:06 < minto> I do not care what the package does 21:06 < mnemoc> for what? 21:06 < minto> I just what it to build fast. 21:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: bize is a mine replacemente for .tar.bz2 21:06 < minto> mnemoc: for the script you reviewed yesterday. 21:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: i guess 21:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: jimmy did it 21:07 < morfoh> ok ... but who is jimmy ? ;) 21:07 < minto> carter? 21:07 < mnemoc> a russian rocker 21:07 < morfoh> :D 21:08 < mnemoc> disappeared one year ago 21:08 < minto> So, not the former president of the US :-) 21:08 < mnemoc> nope 21:08 < morfoh> minto: I guess the jimmy you mentioned was more into war biz :) 21:09 < minto> You never know what they do in there spare time. War for a living hacking for a hobby? 21:09 < morfoh> :) 21:12 < morfoh> yeah .... this would be nice to see ... G.W.B hacking. but I guess he would be a bit confused because the computer won't do any "prompting"- at least not the "prompting" he likes :) 21:13 < minto> Nah, If he would, he would be doing Windows and writing in logo or turtle. 21:13 < morfoh> haha ... yeah turtle was nice :) 21:18 < minto> Yuck, doing mime.types twice fails. 21:18 < minto> How can I find out where the following error came from. 21:19 < minto> sed: -e expression #1, char 16: extra characters after command 21:19 < minto> The log does not show the instruction. 21:19 < mnemoc> review your sed call.... or enable XTRACE on config 21:20 < minto> my sed calls only have -i, so I will try XTRACE. 21:20 < mnemoc> char 16: extra characters after command <--- this can be something like: 's,foo,bar,,' 21:20 < minto> It was the xtrace options. Normally I have it turned, but not this time. 21:21 < minto> thanks, I will check my sed's anyway.. 21:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: why is ipvsd in base.all and DNS.ask ? 21:22 < morfoh> ipsvd I mean 21:22 < mnemoc> i guess to have it even if i remove it from base.all :) 21:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I thought *.all is included anyway ? 21:23 < mnemoc> yes 21:23 < mnemoc> _if_ requirements are fulfilled 21:23 < morfoh> waht requirements do you mean exactly ? 21:24 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF8787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 21:25 < mnemoc> if a .all depends on PYTHON, it will be added only if PYTHON 21:25 < mnemoc> but without asking 21:25 < minto> Ahh, found it. It was my -i after all. 21:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: aha! ic 21:29 < minto> Hmm, I need some sed help here. The following command fail since the mimetype var contains a / 21:29 < minto> sed -i "/^$mimetype .*\$/d" $root/etc/mime.types 21:29 < mnemoc> use a , or a | 21:29 < minto> , does not work 21:30 < minto> I will try the other one. 21:30 < mnemoc> or escape /s inside mimetype 21:30 < mnemoc> ${mimetype//\//\/} 21:31 < minto> I will try that one. 21:31 < mnemoc> ${mimetype//search/replace} 21:41 < minto> ${mimetype//\//_\_\/} did the trick 21:41 < minto> extra \ was needed. 21:41 < mnemoc> :) 21:43 < minto> Thanks, next question. What does the flistdel variable take to skip the following from the flists. 21:43 < minto> usr/share/rock-registry/parse-config/ 21:43 < minto> usr/share/rock-registry/parse-config/mimetypes 21:43 < minto> usr/share/rock-registry/parse-config/extensions 21:44 < mnemoc> flistdel is a sed pattern 21:44 < mnemoc> .oO( or grep? )o 21:44 < mnemoc> usr/share/rock-registry/parse-config/.* i guess 21:44 < minto> I will give it a try :-) 21:55 < minto> Skipping the last / does the trick :-) 21:55 < minto> Some more testing and I think I am ready. 21:56 < mnemoc> :) 21:57 < morfoh> minto: ... you updated like h*ll the last days :) 21:58 < minto> :-) Hope I did not break to much 21:58 < morfoh> yes I hope too ... it would be better for you I guess ;) 21:59 * morfoh hides ... 21:59 < minto> btw, how should I test updated packages? Right now I download and build in all specified stages. 21:59 < minto> I do not test if the result actually works. Should I? 22:00 < CIA-9> amery * r10468 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/gocr/gocr.desc: * merged 9586 from trunk: updated gocr (0.39 -> 0.40) 22:01 < minto> morfoh: police remember, we know where you hide. ;-) 22:01 * minto has pokerface right now 22:01 < morfoh> minto: I expected sth. like that :) 22:01 < CIA-9> amery * r10469 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/gimp/gimptool.patch: * added missing copyright note to gimp/gimptool.patch 22:01 * minto has pokerface since he is bluffing 22:02 < minto> No longer police since beginning of this year. 22:03 < morfoh> minto: pssst ! 22:03 * minto looks left and right 22:03 < minto> morfoh: what's up 22:03 * minto wispering. 22:08 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178159116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 22:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 22:08 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005] 22:08 [Users #t2] 22:08 [ [Kosh] ] [ dsoul ] [ madtux] [ mtr ] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 22:08 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ minto ] [ nzg ] [ sepp_ ] 22:08 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ REdOG] [ SerWou ] 22:08 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ Shingo--] 22:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal] 22:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 22:08 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 22:08 < mnemoc> you call safe_mimetypeadd more times 22:08 < morfoh> minto: my dad goes mostly hunting just for sleeping/relaxing I think 22:09 < morfoh> :) 22:09 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 16 secs 22:09 < minto> Should an update remove all previous mime types and add fresh ones 22:09 < minto> mnemoc: ack, but what if the new version supports less mimetypes than the old version? 22:10 < minto> the unsupported mimetypes will still be there. 22:10 < minto> in the new version that is. 22:10 < mnemoc> minto: you are doomed 22:10 < minto> Why? 22:10 < mnemoc> we are additive in everywhere 22:11 < minto> So I should forget about it. 22:11 < minto> :-) 22:13 < minto> In that case I am ready to commit. yeah :-) 22:15 < mnemoc> :) 22:16 < CIA-9> amery * r10470 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * merged 9550 from trunk: updated xchm (0.9.8 -> 1.0) - marked as Stable 22:17 < CIA-9> amery * r10471 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/wings3d/wings3d.desc: * merged 9527 from trunk: updated wings3d (0.98.26b -> 0.98.29b) 22:18 < CIA-9> msluis * r10472 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/parse-config: 22:18 < CIA-9> * added safe_mimetypeadd to parse-config to have proper 22:18 < CIA-9> mimetype support. 22:20 -!- rxr [rene@e178129106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:25 < CIA-9> amery * r10473 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.desc: * merged 9505 from trunk: updated libpano (2.7.0.9 -> 2.7.0.10) 22:27 < minto> mnemoc: Can packages share postsysfile.in? 22:28 < minto> java jre and jdk have the same file 22:29 < mnemoc> yes 22:29 < mnemoc> source one from the other 22:29 < mnemoc> . $base/package/*/foo/postsysfile.in 22:30 < CIA-9> amery * r10474 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/hugin/hugin.desc: * merged 9551 from trunk: updated hugin (0.5-beta4 -> 0.5_rc1) 22:36 < CIA-9> amery * r10475 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/ (pkg_firefox.conf pkg_thunderbird.conf): * improved firefox/thunderbird on mnemosyne to know they have to open protocols with thunderbird/firefox if they are available 22:37 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38 -!- Veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 22:38 < Veki> hi 22:39 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 22:49 < CIA-9> amery * r10476 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/sharpconstruct/ (sharpconstruct.conf sharpconstruct.desc): * merged 9556,9815,9828 from trunk: updated sharpconstruct (0.0.7 -> 0.0.9.1) 22:53 < minto> I am off to bed, sleep wel all. 22:53 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 22:55 < Veki> morfoh: Are you here around? 22:55 < morfoh> yes 22:56 < morfoh> hi Veki btw 22:56 < Veki> morfoh: great! I have obne question. I have done fresh install of t2. I Emerged svn also 22:56 < Veki> when I do svn up I got Skipped '.' onnly 22:57 < mnemoc> did you svn co ? 22:57 < Veki> no, how to do that? 22:57 < Veki> what to type, I suppose svn co and www adress of svn on t2? 22:58 < mnemoc> cd /usr/src 22:58 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 t2-stable 22:58 < morfoh> Veki: --> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html 22:59 < Veki> ah, excuse me, I am tired so I am confused. Sorry 23:02 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10477 /trunk/package/gnome2/gaim/gaim.desc: * updated gaim (1.3.1 -> 1.4.0) 23:04 < Veki> morfoh: I have done that and it checked revision 10476 23:05 < mnemoc> there you can do svn up 23:05 < Veki> morfoh: when I do svn up it prompts me with Skipped '.' again, uhm 23:05 < morfoh> you have to go into the dir you checked out 23:06 < Veki> ok 23:14 < Veki> it is OK now, thanks 23:17 < CIA-9> amery * r10478 /branches/nestedtargets/functions: * added get_reverted function to return the tokens in backward order 23:22 < CIA-9> amery * r10479 /branches/nestedtargets/functions: * fixed get_reverted to do it's job 23:28 < Veki> morfoh: I do have now t2-stable directory and t2 ...rc1 directory 23:28 < Veki> should I keep th eboth or delete one that is not svn checked 23:29 < morfoh> Veki: as you want 23:29 < morfoh> Veki: it depends what do you wanna do. but I guess you should stay with 2.1 branch you checked out 23:29 < Veki> morfoh: I just wanted to know is there any rule for that. My idea is to make for th ebeginner to use t2 as simpler a spossible and effective as possible. Thus, I am thinking on all det8als that may confuse somone. Sorry to be neat picking 23:30 < Veki> morfoh: yes, I do wnat to stay with branch that I checked. Should I delete that directory manually ? 23:30 < morfoh> if you want :) 23:32 < Veki> OK, I just want to make things cleaner a spossible since beginner may "experiment|. I have instalee a lot of Linux machines and many pople are "experimenting" and thus creating damage. However, that is somehow good way of learning , but training material i.e. manual should be clear and comprehensive a smuch as possible 23:40 < CIA-9> amery * r10480 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/config.in: * fixed mnemosyne config to know where it's files are even if SDETARGET != mnemosyne 23:44 < CIA-9> amery * r10481 /branches/nestedtargets/config.in: 23:44 < CIA-9> * implemented nested targets on scripts/config.in 23:44 < CIA-9> * changed config.in to apply target/$target/pkgsel _after_ config.in 23:44 < CIA-9> * improved config.in to auto-apply pkgsel.sed or pkgsel.awk or pkgsel.in also 23:44 < morfoh> :) 23:45 < CIA-9> amery * r10482 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkg_thunderbird.conf: * fixed mnemosyne/pkg_thunderbird.conf - removed badly pasted lines 23:47 < Veki> morfoh: I started to Emerge-Pkg cdrtools and it started by defaul to dobuild alsa-lib... inluding python. Python aborted since there i sno readline 23:47 < Veki> should I firstly emerge-Pkg readline or so? 23:47 < mnemoc> Veki: use -deps=none 23:47 < Veki> OK, I hope it will work :-) 23:48 < CIA-9> amery * r10483 /branches/nestedtargets/functions: * changed detect_patches to search on targets in reverted order (apply parent patches first) 23:49 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:50 < Veki> morfoh: when I tried to Emerge cdcd which minto added I was returned with there is no package scheduled to build 23:51 < mnemoc> Veki: before running Emerge-Pkg you need to update your config/$config/packages running Config -cfg $config -oldconfig 23:51 < morfoh> Veki: it's just in trunk atm 23:51 < mnemoc> (or without -oldconfig if UI doesn't bother you) 23:52 < Veki> ok 23:53 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 23:54 < Veki> hi Shingo 23:54 < mnemoc> rxr_: Cleanup doesn't like your .foo files at rootfs 23:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... same here 23:59 < Shingo--> Hi 23:59 < morfoh> hi Shingo-- --- Log closed Fri Jul 22 00:00:00 2005