T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-18

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--- Log opened Sat Jun 18 00:00:00 2005
00:00 < mnemoc_> but a pipe is.... just a pipe, what science?
00:01 < rxr> don't ask me ...
00:01 < rxr> she never has done real IPC before ..
00:02 < rxr> maybe it is not that easy for not extreme geeks ...
00:02 < rxr> no idea
00:03 < mnemoc_> a pipe? :\
00:04 < rxr> she has to do some nonsense ls | sort | sed | whatever hackery in C
00:04 < rxr> I have to admit all the forks, pipe, dup hackery can be quite confusing ...
00:04 < mnemoc_> semaphores can be confusing
00:05 < _Ragnar_> :)
00:07 < mnemoc_> Cksum ERROR: download/local/A/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2.cksum-err (3931208798)
00:07 < mnemoc_> does anyone have a copy of the old AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2 ?
00:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: yes. i figured out the grep on my own after some poking about :)
00:09 < _Lewellyn> thanks though :)
00:09 * _Lewellyn wonders why ddate is the only emperor norton utility in util-linux
00:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: i have one. dunno if it's the same one...
00:10 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: ./scripts/Download -check acroread please
00:10 < _Lewellyn> but it's a .tar.gz i downloaded from adobe :(
00:11 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Download -mk-cksum the_file_your_grabbed_from_adobe.tar.gz
00:12 < _Lewellyn> running now
00:12 < _Lewellyn> /tmp/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz: 3931208798
00:12 < _Lewellyn> need me to put it somewhere that you can grab it from?
00:13 < _Lewellyn> or is that the same bad checksum?
00:13 < mnemoc_> the same i have
00:13 < mnemoc_> :(
00:13 < _Lewellyn> -rw------- 1 mjl staff 39467776 2005-05-10 11:47 AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz
00:13 < _Lewellyn> i've had it for a while...
00:15 < mnemoc_> not enough :(
00:27 < azureus_learn-c> ok I go now sleep
00:27 < mnemoc_> gn8 azureus_learn-c
00:28 < azureus_learn-c> thank you
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00:28 * rxr away for sleep as well
00:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: gn8 rxr
00:29 < _Lewellyn> sleep well, sleepers
00:29 < mnemoc_> :)
00:34 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: would you then be looking for the beta version of 7, released in like jan or feb?
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00:34 < _Lewellyn> if so, why?
00:34 < _Lewellyn> hoi sparc-kly
00:34 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: no idea
00:35 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: i'm still confused why you need an old version though, rather than the one they've been distributing since at LEAST a month ago...
00:35 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: i need the one checksumed when it was added to .desc
00:36 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: we need to have in the mirrors the versions with the checksums we have on .desc
00:36 < _Lewellyn> oh.
00:36 < _Lewellyn> and someone forgot?
00:36 < sepp> i read that they updated some days ago
00:40 < mnemoc_> sepp: what's the checksum of yours? ./scripts/Download -mk-cksum download/...../AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2
00:41 < sepp> i have a "Mar 12 01:51 AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz" on my disk
00:41 < mnemoc_> checksum :)
00:41 < mnemoc_> i'm looking for: 1471180794
00:42 < sepp> 1471180794
00:42 < sepp> yes
00:42 < sepp> i have this one ;)
00:42 < mnemoc_> :D
00:42 < mnemoc_> i want it!
00:42 < mnemoc_> please :p
00:43 < sepp> what a hash is this?
00:43 < mnemoc_> cksum
00:43 < mnemoc_> bunzip2 < "$x" | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '
00:44 < sepp> ohh 39mb
00:45 < mnemoc_> i'm downloading the copy at nexus
00:45 < mnemoc_> 28,5%
00:45 < mnemoc_> if that has my wished checksum i'll not bother you
00:46 < sepp> ok :)
00:46 < sepp> but why do you want a beta acrobat reader?
00:47 < sepp> this was not 7.0 final
00:47 < mnemoc_> to push it on the mirror
00:47 < mnemoc_> beta3 and beta4 of t2 has that checksum on .desc
00:48 < mnemoc_> i'll fake a _final for rc1 and trunk
00:48 < sepp> hmm i am no lawyer but are you allowed to redistribute it?
00:48 < mnemoc_> .oO
00:48 < mnemoc_> no :p
00:48 < mnemoc_> uhm... yes!
00:49 < mnemoc_> no
00:49 < mnemoc_> [D] 1471180794 AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz -http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/
00:49 < mnemoc_> it is '-'
00:49 < mnemoc_> i.e. local
00:49 < sepp> not that some one will sue you ...
00:49 < mnemoc_> how i'm i downloading it from nexus then??
00:49 < mnemoc_> .oO
00:50 < sepp> what is nexus?
00:50 < mnemoc_> one of rene's mirrors
00:51 < sepp> ohh i guess it should not be there
00:51 < mnemoc_> we have download/mirror and downlaod/local
00:51 < mnemoc_> mirror tree is exported to mirrors
00:52 < sepp> yes i saw this
00:52 < mnemoc_> wierd
00:52 < mnemoc_> maybe rene has them symlinked :p
00:55 < sparc-kly> http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
00:56 < mnemoc_> pff
00:56 < sepp> macos one of the best os thing?
00:57 < mnemoc_> economists :)
00:57 < sepp> not that linux is perfect but osx???
00:58 < mnemoc_> :)
00:59 < mnemoc_> closed source tend to have worse quality, that's not related to the time used to write it, that's due to work unseen
01:00 < mnemoc_> when people see what you do, you do it more elegantly :p
01:06 < mnemoc_> rxr showed a nice critic to osX versions
01:06 < sepp> hmm i got the openslowlaris code - only 1 fuck inside
01:06 < mnemoc_> always the same when companies open their codes
01:07 < mnemoc_> just dirty hacks everywhere
01:17 < sepp> i'll crawl into my bed now
01:17 < sepp> good nght all
01:17 < mnemoc_> gn8 sepp
02:15 < mnemoc_> nexus has the new one :(
02:15 < mnemoc_> Cksum ERROR: download/local/A/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz.cksum-err (3931208798)
02:17 < _Lewellyn> eh. most of the os is oss.
02:17 < _Lewellyn> sleep well sepp
02:18 < _Lewellyn> and mnemoc_: you need to hurt whoever forgot to mirror the file. and adobe for not changing the name.
02:19 < mnemoc_> i'll fake a file name change on rc1 and trunk
02:23 < _Lewellyn> :(
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05:09 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html ... 30 broken packages...
05:16 < lewellyn> is that more, or less?
05:16 < mnemoc_> 13 more than rc1
05:16 < mnemoc_> at least 13 to fix :)
05:17 < mnemoc_> weird problems with pkgconfig
05:17 < lewellyn> :/
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05:38 < CIA-1> amery * r9733 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/package/office/acroread/acroread.desc: * changed acroread filename because published files was renewed
05:57 < CIA-1> amery * r9734 /trunk/package/gnome2/netspeed_applet/netspeed_applet.conf: * fixed (ugly!) netspeed_applet to find pkg-config
06:08 < CIA-1> amery * r9735 /branches/2.1/package/office/acroread/acroread.desc: * merged 9733 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed acroread filename because published files was renewed
06:11 < CIA-1> amery * r9736 /trunk/package/office/acroread/acroread.desc: * merged 9733 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed acroread filename because published files was renewed
06:33 < CIA-1> amery * r9737 /branches/nestedtargets/Build-Pkg: * fixed debug.sh to mount/umount loop and proc (needs review)
06:33 < mnemoc_> yuck
06:33 < mnemoc_> i forgot i that that branches binded there :(
06:34 < mnemoc_> branch
06:36 < CIA-1> amery * r9738 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * merged 9737 from nestedtarget branch: fixed debug.sh to mount/umount loop and proc (needs review)
06:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-gsmp.err <--- parallelism problem
07:51 < CIA-1> amery * r9739 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * fixed poppler.desc [A] and changed to download 3.2 as [V] claims
07:57 < rxr> re
07:57 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
07:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: Intel Premier Issue Tracker:
07:59 < rxr> ICC consumes over 600MB memory and get's killed by the system processing tramp3d benchmark
07:59 < rxr> Hello Rene,
07:59 < rxr> After some investigation, there is a possibility we might find a more efficient memory algorithm for a particular aspect of you program that our compiler is analyzing. I have narrowed down the problem and escalated the issue to the development team.
07:59 < rxr> Thank You for your feedback - we rarely get users complaining about the memory usage. So it is hard to identify areas of the compiler that we can work on for that issue.
07:59 < rxr> Regards,
07:59 < rxr> ,-)
08:00 < mnemoc_> :D
08:00 < mnemoc_> rene.rebe@intel.de
08:03 < rxr> nah ...
08:03 < rxr> intel.com anyway - and no mail address ...
08:03 < mnemoc_> the reply was very friendly
08:04 < rxr> seems my 21" CRT is selfdestructing - sine yesterday it looses a color component every now and then ...
08:04 < rxr> mnemoc_: it is the pay, big compaies premier support ,-)
08:04 < mnemoc_> a fuse?
08:04 < mnemoc_> :)
08:04 < rxr> no - fuse would be permanent
08:04 < rxr> more likely some aging transistor or so ...
08:05 < rxr> or some contact getting loose ..
08:05 < rxr> but the CRT is very bad anyway
08:05 < rxr> low frequency ...
08:05 < rxr> 1280x1024@60Hz or so ...
08:05 < rxr> I run it at some selftweaked modline to archive 7x Hz - @ 1152x970 pixels or so ..
08:05 < rxr> the max I got out of it @70Hz or so ...
08:06 < rxr> it is made in 1995 or so ...
08:06 < mnemoc_> i do the same on my 17" home desktop
08:08 < rxr> guess it wants to get finally disposed and also finally a fresh LCD on my desk - would be better for my poor eyes anyway ...
08:08 < _Ragnar_> rxr: still nothing about this kernel build issue?
08:08 < mnemoc_> i'll go to bed
08:09 < mnemoc_> gn8 rxr, _Ragnar_
08:09 < _Ragnar_> gn8 mnemoc_
08:10 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ouhm - sorry need to get the article out
08:15 < rxr> GCC 4.0.1 RC2
08:24 < _Ragnar_> hmpf
08:24 < _Ragnar_> can you at least point me where to look?
08:24 < _Ragnar_> I don't see a single depmod in the error log
08:28 < rxr> you could look into the fl_wrapper.wlog to search for a depmod
08:29 < _Ragnar_> bash(Build-Pkg)**.make.depmod.fopen: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.dep
08:31 < _Ragnar_> this looks like it's done by make install
08:35 < rxr> now you only need to find wich one ... :-(
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09:02 < minto> hi all
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09:15 < azureus> Good mornin
09:21 < minto> hi azareus
09:21 < valentin> moin
09:21 < minto> hi valentin
09:22 < valentin> hi minto
09:22 < valentin> how is life in the netherlands ?
09:23 < minto> If I forget about my broken server, fine.
09:23 < minto> How about germany?
09:32 < valentin> nice, thank you
09:34 < azureus> who is from germany?
09:35 * _Ragnar_ is
09:35 < azureus> aha who else?
09:35 * minto is not
09:36 < azureus> minto : where are you from?
09:36 * minto is from the Netherlands
09:43 < azureus> and the other people from this chanel?
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09:49 < azureus> hello veki
09:49 < veki> hello
09:50 < veki> good morning
09:52 < _Ragnar_> rxr: well the next thing after that is: bash(Build-Pkg)**.bash(cp).cp.open64: /export/t2-trunk/build/soekris-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded//usr/doc/linux26/AUTHORS
09:52 < _Ragnar_> so it kinda seems that it comes from t2 itself? O_O
10:08 < minto> There is a new version of syslinux out 3.09. Unfortunately my server is broken so I can't upgrade it myself.
10:09 < valentin> _Ragnar_: sorry, i did not get that - what is your problem with cp ?
10:12 < _Ragnar_> something in linux26 calls depmod, which then makes the build complain about it touching files outside basedir
10:12 < valentin> ah
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10:21 < sepp> good morning
10:22 < veki> good morning
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10:51 < _Ragnar_> well I'm too tired for this ... nini folks
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11:38 < rxr> re
12:28 < rxr> http://www.openmp.org/
12:28 < rxr> ^- does also use drupal
13:01 < valentin> re
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13:31 < veki> doe aanyone have minimal version of T2 on some ftp site?
13:39 < azureus1> re
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15:13 < azureus> whats the login name and password for the live-cd
15:14 < veki> I do not know, I am just downloading version that is not live
15:14 < azureus> hm....
15:14 < sepp> azureus: user live can sudo bash
15:15 < azureus> and the pass?
15:16 < sepp> empty
15:16 < azureus> ok mom
15:17 < azureus> ok, you have to write it in the text on the cd
15:25 < azureus> How I can start KDE
15:26 < valentin> azureus: the livecd should start into KDE without manual login or whatsoever
15:27 < valentin> you downloaded the live cd or the normal installable desktop cd set ?
15:28 < azureus> the lice cd
15:28 < valentin> and it does not boot into X ?
15:28 < azureus> I think now
15:28 < azureus> no
15:29 < valentin> what is the url you downloaded the cd from ?
15:30 < azureus> At first i can choose "T2 Live Linux" "t2 live Linux - no X" or "Installed OS from HD"
15:30 < azureus> I have "t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx". I have download it as a torrent yesterday
15:31 < valentin> ok
15:31 < valentin> what option did you boot ?
15:31 < azureus> T2 Live Linux
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15:32 < azureus> an the next time "t2 live Linux - no X" but both doesnt work
15:32 < valentin> what does "doesnt work" mean ?
15:33 < azureus> You said that it have to start without login pr whatever
15:34 < azureus> ok once again, I have klicked now on T2 live Linux
15:34 < azureus> now he is load something....
15:34 < azureus> Then there is written " localhost login"
15:35 < valentin> wait a second
15:35 < azureus> what I have to do now?
15:35 < azureus> ok
15:35 < valentin> nothing, x should start with kde right now
15:35 < valentin> does it ?
15:35 < azureus> no
15:35 < azureus> There is only written " localhost login"
15:36 < azureus> I can try it on an other PC
15:36 < valentin> can you read scrollback if there is an error message or so ?
15:36 < valentin> or try on another PC, first
15:38 < azureus> there was only a ":-(" when he loads the networks driver
15:41 < azureus> Its crazy... an the other computer he doesnt load grub corectly
15:42 < azureus> there is only written grub>
15:46 < azureus> But in the third computer he starts normaly
15:46 < valentin> azureus: is your "other computer" a pentium mmx compatible ?
15:47 < azureus> the first computer was a notebook: AMD 64bit Turino 1,6ghz...
15:50 < valentin> yes, and the second one ?
15:53 < azureus> on the second computer were "grub>" was written is an AMD Athlon XP CPU
15:56 < azureus> I dont now these computers very well, this are testsampels for my Magazin
15:57 < azureus> but normaly it must work or?
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16:53 < minto> hi *
16:56 < azureus> hi minto
16:57 < veki> hi
16:57 < veki> Can anyone help me to install T2 on my machine?
16:58 < azureus> Whats the problem?
16:58 < veki> I downloaded .iso file and burn on blank CDROM and it does not boot although boot order in BIOS set up is OK
16:59 < minto> veki: which one did you download?
17:00 < azureus> hmm, what did you download
17:00 < veki> It is stable deskto T2 2.1 pentium mmx.iso ..
17:00 < azureus> and your system is?
17:00 < veki> My Sistem si Pentium 450 MHz , 196 MB RAM, SiemenS Fujitsu desktop machine
17:01 < azureus> maybe you burn the cd wrong
17:02 < veki> it is 2.1.o beta version, 629MB from gsmp berlin.de server
17:02 < azureus> How do you burn the cd?
17:02 < veki> OK, I will try again, beacuse I have done that twice on two CDROMs and the same happens always
17:03 < veki> I will change machine and CD writer and let you know soon
17:03 < veki> do you prefer any application for burning CDROMs
17:04 < veki> K3B is OK?
17:04 < azureus> Can you try it on an other computer?
17:06 < minto> Veki: I guess you donwloaded beta3? Does it boot on an other system?
17:06 < veki> I tried on two machines and it does not boot on anyone
17:07 < veki> yes, it is beta3
17:08 < minto> Strange! I downloaded it earlier this weeks and it did boot.
17:08 < veki> Just to check again. What exactly you have done
17:09 < veki> i suppose you downloaded it and how you burned CD?
17:09 < minto> (blushing) I used nero on windows to burn the iso.
17:10 < veki> I used nero and Cd Creator on two cds and id did not boot on two machines
17:10 < veki> I will do that again in Linux by using K3B
17:10 < minto> :-(
17:11 < veki> even, speed was 16X in order to be not too much fast
17:12 < minto> Have you tried Live CD gamma or T2 minimal?
17:12 < minto> live cd => http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.2.0-beta/
17:12 < minto> minimal => http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming/
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17:19 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:19 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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17:21 < veki> on one cd rom I put that it should be bootable and I got caldera DrDos running and failing after 3 secs
17:21 < veki> on another it is .iso only and it just starts default OS on my computer
17:24 < minto> rxr rxr_: What was the url for T2 minimal again? Veki wants to know?
17:24 < veki> I used this one: http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming/
17:25 < minto> Ahh, found it:
17:25 < minto> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/space/
17:26 < veki> Ok, I started to download
17:29 < azureus> minto: are you a developer
17:30 < veki> no, I am trying to be good user :-))
17:30 < veki> May I ask yo for help in installation process if needed?
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17:30 < azureus> I've asked minto, not you ;-)
17:31 < veki> when i say user I think on target building
17:31 < veki> OK
17:31 < veki> sorry
17:31 < azureus> np you can ask here in this IRC Chanel
17:31 < veki> OK, I hope it will be in a couple of minutes :-))
17:33 < minto> azureus: Yes I am developer. But still pretty novice to T2.
17:33 < mnemoc_> moin
17:33 < minto> Hi mnemoc_ :-)
17:33 < mnemoc_> hi minto
17:34 < azureus> hi mnemoc
17:34 < mnemoc_> hi azureus
17:35 < minto> azureus: How about you? You're a developer too?
17:36 < mnemoc_> :)
17:37 < azureus> no, I work here for the Press and for the website. But I learn now c++ ;-)
17:37 < minto> Where is here?
17:37 < azureus> I've got a problem with the live-cd . Here = T2
17:38 < minto> Ahh
17:40 < azureus> do you have ICQ, I cant sent it here because the text ist too long
17:41 < mnemoc_> .oO
17:41 < mnemoc_> do you want to paste something? use a paste service
17:41 < azureus> the Text is too long
17:42 < minto> Sorry I have no ICQ. The one knowing most about live CD is rxr. However I could give it a try.
17:42 < mnemoc_> http://pastebin.ca
17:43 < minto> mnemoc_: You beat me. A paste service? I know pasta delivery service = pizza delivery service :-)
17:44 < mnemoc_> :)
17:44 < azureus> I try to copy the Text to you
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17:46 < azureus1> minto: Did you get the text?
17:47 < minto> azureus1: Nope, But you got disconnected with an excess flood.
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17:49 < azureus1> ok I sent it to you once again
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17:49 < minto> azureus1: Try: http://pastebin.ca
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17:50 < azureus1> Did youget ir now?
17:50 < minto> Azureus1: Nope again excess flood. Try http://pastebin.ca as mnemoc suggested.
17:51 < azureus1> can I sent it to your E-Mail?
17:51 < minto> It works pretty straigt forward. You can paste the resulting url here.
17:51 < mnemoc_> azureus1: why can't you use the paste service??
17:51 < azureus1> http://pastebin.ca/14957
17:52 < mnemoc_> good
17:52 < azureus1> I hope you can read it now
17:52 < minto> Yepp, If valentin couldn't help I not sure I can.
17:53 < minto> reading now
17:53 < mnemoc_> if it didn't started X, your video card wasn't detected
17:53 < azureus1> You can try it
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17:53 < azureus1> one moment I look which video card the sample had
17:54 < mnemoc_> lspci can be helpful
17:54 < azureus1> whar ist Ispci?
17:54 < mnemoc_> a command, which gives useful output
17:54 < mnemoc_> lspci, not Ispci
17:55 < veki> I burnt minimal version on CDROM and it does not boot
17:55 < azureus1> Ok the notebook had an S3 shared memory video-card
17:56 < sepp> haha unichrome i guess
17:57 < sepp> something like vt8378?
17:57 < minto> Veki: Today is not your day it seems.
17:57 < veki> how can I install minimal version on existing distro
17:57 < veki> yes, it seems to me also
17:57 < azureus1> It is an notebook from the company ChiliGREEN
17:57 < veki> I tried on two machines and happens the same
17:58 < azureus1> only problems here.....
17:58 < minto> Veki: These computers do boot other disks/distros?
17:58 < veki> yes, of course
17:58 < mnemoc_> veki: try o a non rw disc
17:58 < veki> I tried twice today
17:58 < mnemoc_> and check md5 before
17:58 < azureus1> What I can do now?
17:59 < sepp> azureus1: can you lspci and paste the chip name here?
17:59 < veki> I do not think that integrity of file is problem because I have had three downloads and I do not think that all three times there were wrong downloads
17:59 < azureus1> ok one moment
18:00 < azureus1> have I to login with live?
18:00 < sepp> yes
18:01 < mnemoc_> veki: check anyway
18:02 < veki> I will check do burning program changes permissions and forbid execution rights
18:02 < azureus1> - bash: command not found
18:03 < mnemoc_> azureus1: ?
18:03 < azureus1> "lspci" command not found
18:03 < mnemoc_> azureus1: lspci, ls as to see the content of a directory, and pci as the cards
18:04 < mnemoc_> uhm
18:04 < mnemoc_> rxr_: don't you have lspci on t2@live-gamma?
18:04 < azureus1> so what i have to write in?
18:05 < sepp> /usr/sbin/lspci
18:05 < azureus1> There is written: "Video card: Via... VGA Adapter"
18:05 < mnemoc_> sepp: will you download the other .iso-s?
18:06 < mnemoc_> azureus1: we need the exact text :)
18:06 < sepp> mnemoc_: yes
18:06 < mnemoc_> sepp: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/
18:06 < mnemoc_> where is morpoh?
18:08 < azureus1> I wrote now /usr/sbin/lspci . Now there ist written "VGA compatiblecontroller : VIA Technologies, INC. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)
18:08 < sepp> and the chip number?
18:08 < sepp> VT****
18:09 < sepp> anyway because of the broken unichrome driver in xorg you have to use vesa now :(
18:10 < azureus1> mnemoc: I dont now where he is, he wanted to talk with me yesterday, then i had to wait and then he wasnt here in this channel
18:10 < azureus1> where musst me written VT***
18:10 < sepp> last line of lspci output
18:11 < sepp> if xorg starts the panel became black?
18:11 < azureus1> it isnt there written
18:12 < azureus1> only by enthernet audio controll
18:13 < azureus1> and ISA Bridge
18:14 < azureus1> but I think it isnt this?
18:15 < sepp> you can force it to use the vesa driver
18:15 < azureus1> what I have to do now
18:16 < azureus1> how I can force?
18:17 < sepp> in /tmp/xdetect replace xdrv=via with xrdv=vesa
18:17 < azureus1> what I have to write?
18:18 < azureus1> k
18:18 < sepp> ?
18:20 < azureus1> ok I wrote this
18:20 < azureus1> what I have to do now?
18:21 < sepp> sudo /tmp/xdetect
18:21 < sepp> /tmp/startx
18:22 < azureus1> hey, he starts X
18:24 < azureus1> must I do this everytime?
18:25 < sepp> for this version of the livecd (with via hardware) yes
18:25 < mnemoc_> veki: did you check md5 of minimal iso?
18:26 < azureus1> How can we solve this problem?
18:26 < veki> It is OK, I think that K3B or something like that makes problem since I tested on three machines and it is always the same
18:26 < veki> It does not boot in any case i.e. desktop and minimal too
18:27 < veki> mnemoc: May I install it from existing Linux system?
18:27 < sepp> azureus1: it is already solved in svn head, just not on this version of the livecd
18:27 < mnemoc_> i need a new ethernet cord
18:29 < azureus1> ok
18:30 < mnemoc_> azureus1: via driver on xorg sucks, so sepp changed xorg package to install a better one
18:30 < mnemoc_> veki: you can, but the disk shall boot
18:31 < azureus1> I'm making a support board, do anyone has a conception like the structure could be
18:31 < veki> mnemoc: but, it does not. I am willing to try to install it from existing distro. How can I do it?
18:32 < mnemoc_> veki: make the partitions, format them and mount the structure on a mountpoint
18:33 < mnemoc_> veki: then using 'mine' tool (you have to build that locally) install *.gem into that mount point
18:33 < mnemoc_> veki: does livecd boot there? you can install from there
18:33 < veki> OK, I will try once more from CD
18:33 < veki> I will download it too
18:34 < veki> I checked permission sof .iso file and it is executable
18:34 < mnemoc_> veki: can you try the version at bt?
18:34 < mnemoc_> veki: i'm not sure if the files are gsmp are ok
18:34 < veki> hm
18:36 < veki> I installed last night BiTTorrent rpm and it does not work. It alwasy sasy that it does have problme in line 7 etc.
18:36 < mnemoc_> do you have rsync?
18:37 < sepp> mnemoc_: added t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx to my share :)
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18:37 < mnemoc_> sepp: thanks :)
18:37 < mnemoc_> sepp: can you see if it boots there?
18:37 < sepp> yes tested it with qemu
18:38 < veki> I will try again
18:38 < mnemoc_> veki: if you have rsync try: rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx your_copy_of_minimal.iso
18:39 < mnemoc_> veki: that will ensure your iso gets identical to mine
18:40 < mnemoc_> rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx.iso your_copy_of_minimal.iso i mean
18:41 < veki> OK, I will do that I will burn again
18:42 < mnemoc_> veki: azureus seems to be a very good bt client, sadly written over java
18:43 < sepp> it eats a lot cpu cycles
18:44 < sepp> and the jvm crashed here today, running azureus
18:44 < mnemoc_> :'(
18:45 < mnemoc_> i'm using just btlaunchmany.py :p
18:47 < veki> when i do rsync it says that here i sno such file or directory
18:48 < mnemoc_> rsync rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx.iso your_copy_of_minimal.iso
18:48 < mnemoc_> err
18:48 < mnemoc_> rsync -avP rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx.iso your_copy_of_minimal.iso
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18:48 < mnemoc_> and of course change your_copy_of_minimal.iso to the path and filename of you copy of the file
18:49 < mnemoc_> rxr_: wine fail to build after alsa update here
18:50 < veki> it says partial transfer code 23 at main.c(594)
18:50 < mnemoc_> is that an error?
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18:52 < veki> yes, it is
18:53 < Postal> Afternoon all
18:53 < mnemoc_> try just -av --progress then :\
18:53 < mnemoc_> your rsync seems to be broken
18:54 < veki> i am apt-get rsync again
18:55 < mnemoc_> pff
18:55 < mnemoc_> my fault
18:55 < mnemoc_> that weird error is a 'file not found' :)
18:55 < mnemoc_> rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx_cd1.iso <--- i forgot _cd1 part
18:55 < veki> :-)
18:56 < mnemoc_> lame way to say 'file not found'
18:56 < veki> it seems to me that it starts
18:57 < veki> yes, it starts :-)
18:57 < mnemoc_> :D
18:58 < veki> however, I burned again deskto, and I will try to boot it
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18:59 < veki> again nothing with deskto version :-(((
18:59 < mnemoc_> i wonder if the files you download are good
18:59 < veki> Is it probkem that I burn it on RW disk. It should not be I supppose
19:00 < mnemoc_> some cd drives don't boot rw discs, but it they boot one, they boot all
19:00 < veki> OK, we will see result with your minimal
19:00 < veki> the minmal I downloaded today afternoon is from ..space.de site
19:01 < mnemoc_> try it after rsync-ing it with mine
19:01 < veki> of course
19:01 < veki> It will finish soon since I have fats link
19:02 < mnemoc_> you, but not i :}
19:02 < mnemoc_> :\
19:02 < veki> I think tha tthe problem is whether in integrity of transferred files or in burning process
19:05 < veki> I trued boot on 4 machines in last 2 hours
19:06 < mnemoc_> did rsync finished?
19:07 < veki> excuse mn the kitchen, I will chekc nowe I was i
19:07 < veki> not yet
19:08 < veki> Is it OK whichever name I give to .iso for example minimal-t2.iso
19:08 < mnemoc_> uhm?
19:09 < mnemoc_> you shall overwrite the .iso you already have
19:09 < mnemoc_> not download the whole file through that rsync
19:09 < veki> oh, yes that i sfine
19:09 < veki> yes
19:09 < mnemoc_> i have only 64kbps international on that link
19:10 < veki> I really do have strng wish to install it today and start to build a simple target
19:10 < veki> OK, no problme, we will be patient
19:11 < mnemoc_> :)
19:11 < veki> :-)
19:13 < veki> It i sfinished I think
19:13 < veki> I do have a numerous yyyyyyy on my screen
19:13 < veki> from rsync console
19:14 < veki> I closed it anyway, I will burn now new CD
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19:16 < Postal> Anyone here know what kinds of drivers Roxio Easy Media Creator would be installing on my computer that would make it truley unable to run in 64bit?
19:17 < Postal> I bloody hate windows, what is a really good editing program for linux?
19:17 < sepp> editing what?
19:18 < Postal> Pictures i just got a new Canon Eos 20D
19:18 < veki> mnemoc: which permissions should have that .iso
19:18 < sepp> Postal: gimp ?
19:19 < veki> you can use gphoto, gimp
19:21 < veki> mnemoc, again no boot
19:21 < veki> permissions or burining process
19:22 < Postal> sepp, im looking for something easy red eye reduction cropping that kind of thing gimp might be a little complicated
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19:31 < veki> I changed permission to be executable for .iso file since it was not executable and I am burnning it again
19:33 < veki> gaain th esame. I will be offline for two minutes since I will try it on this machine
19:34 < minto> veki: good luck
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19:39 < veki> mnemoc: again the same , I will get new CDROM media and burn again
19:39 < veki> I will be back in acouple of minutes, shop is near by
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19:44 < minto> azureur_coding: What are you coding?
19:47 < azureus_coding> a CMS
19:47 < azureus_coding> Can you php?
19:48 < minto> Not really.
19:48 < azureus_coding> a little bit?
19:48 < minto> Unfortunately not.
19:49 < azureus_coding> Do you know a good WYSIWYG Editor?
19:49 < mnemoc_> php sucks
19:50 < minto> mnemoc_: I hear sucks and crap quite often on this channel. What, in your opinion does not suck?
19:50 < minto> ruby?
19:50 < mnemoc_> i have never used ruby
19:51 < mnemoc_> but an scripting language which has every module always loaded is a bloat
19:51 < minto> me neither. But what do you like?
19:51 < mnemoc_> good question...
19:52 < mnemoc_> ...
19:52 < mnemoc_> uhm
19:53 < mnemoc_> ignoring the tab problem, i'm liking python
19:53 < mnemoc_> i like perl, but i'm not good on it
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19:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
19:59 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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20:00 < minto> Sure they are, but if there is really need for them, then you are probably using the wrong language.
20:02 < mnemoc_> that another point pro .net/mono, multiple languages over the same bytecode
20:02 < minto> Java has that as well
20:02 < minto> But they do not promote is as heavily as MS does.
20:02 < mnemoc_> what languages can be compiled to run over jvm?
20:03 < minto> Many languages diliver bytecode to run in a jvm.
20:03 < mnemoc_> there is even prolog compilers to run over .net/mono thing
20:04 < mnemoc_> or haskell
20:04 < mnemoc_> someone claim python for .net is faster than pure python
20:05 < minto> I don't want this to be become a pro/con thing. Every environment has is good and bad sides. A list of all languages supporting the java JVM is at http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html
20:06 < mnemoc_> *click*
20:07 < mnemoc_> java is nice also, i just hate sun cynicism
20:07 < veki> mnemoc: I succeded. I am starting to boot
20:07 < mnemoc_> veki: how?
20:07 < veki> I used cdrecord instead of K3B and it goes
20:08 < minto> The thing I like most about java is that if you stick to published interfaces you have no vendor lockin. This is mainly in the J2EE arena.
20:08 < mnemoc_> veki: oh
20:08 < veki> I perssed enter after boot and it asks me now whihc of 8 stages I do want todo.
20:09 * _Ragnar_ yawns
20:09 < minto> Veki: Bravo
20:09 < veki> I think it asks me where is installation, since it is on CDROMI should put default?
20:09 < veki> Thanks to all!!!
20:09 < mnemoc_> minto: but they manage to require the not published interfaces sun.* :\
20:10 < mnemoc_> veki: the first option is to use the media you used to boot
20:10 < veki> I follow nnow the steps. I will ask if I will have some problems
20:10 < mnemoc_> good luck
20:10 < veki> I entered second stage and it asks me for serial ports
20:11 < minto> mnemoc: sun.* are not required. But if you use them you lock yourself in. Most vendors do likewise things.
20:11 < mnemoc_> tty-s
20:11 < veki> OK, I entered stone for type of installation
20:11 < mnemoc_> minto: that is sad... #kaffe people does a big effort
20:12 < mnemoc_> anyone xslt here?
20:12 < minto> mnemoc_: Yes that's how they think to earn money.
20:13 < mnemoc_> many people of oss dreaming to earn good money some day
20:14 < minto> I think almost every one thinks that, not only oss people.
20:15 < mnemoc_> people outside oss tend to succed :p
20:15 < minto> Not all of them.
20:16 < mnemoc_> expending the time oss people does?
20:16 < veki> mnemoc: I came to stage when it askem to type stone or stone-text. I typed stone but it stays hanging. Should I have been typed "stone" with quotation marks.
20:17 < veki> Or it does have reason why is that part slow?
20:17 < mnemoc_> that should not be slow
20:17 < mnemoc_> stone -text works?
20:17 < veki> it stays hanging
20:17 < mnemoc_> uhm
20:18 < veki> I rebooted machine and I will try again since i firstly typed stone without quotation marks maybe that was confusing
20:18 < sepp> minimal iso?
20:18 < minto> mnemoc_: I think rene will succeed.
20:18 < veki> yes
20:18 < sepp> hmm worked in qemu
20:19 < mnemoc_> veki: quotation marks are not needed
20:19 < mnemoc_> minto: yes
20:19 < veki> hm
20:19 < veki> I will chekc again...
20:20 < veki> maybe there is somethiing wronileg in the name of .iso f
20:20 < veki> excuse me my keyboard jumps
20:20 < veki> maybe there is something wrong in thename of .iso file and it cannot find it
20:20 < veki> but, we started :-))
20:21 < mnemoc_> cannot find what? who?
20:21 < veki> I suppose that istallation is looking for something what it cannot find and it hangs after typing stone
20:22 < mnemoc_> .oO
20:22 < veki> maybe
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20:27 < veki> actually, that is the stage when it looj for some tar.gz files...
20:27 < azureus_coding> re
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20:31 < azureus> re
20:31 < veki> mnemoc: I typed stone -text and I am waiting it to continue
20:33 < mnemoc_> uhm
20:33 < veki> it hangs
20:33 < azureus> Is someone responsible for the website?
20:35 < mnemoc_> azureus: rene
20:35 < veki> it hangs still
20:36 < azureus> rene = morfohr?
20:36 < mnemoc_> do the same but don't start stone this time
20:36 < minto> rxr = rene
20:37 < veki> mnemoc: but, what should I start? there is option to choose stone or stone-text
20:37 < valentin> rehi
20:37 < minto> hi valentin
20:37 < valentin> what is the problem with the website ?
20:37 < azureus> hello valentin
20:38 < valentin> hello azureus
20:38 < mnemoc_> veki: run ldconfig -v
20:38 < azureus> There is no problem, i takled with rxr because I want to help to make a new website. He told me I Have to speak with morfohr, but he isnt here
20:39 < veki> ok, so instaed of stone shold I type ldconfig -v
20:39 < mnemoc_> azureus: morfoh (jeru) is working on www2.t2-project.org
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20:41 < azureus> I know, but I want to code with him the website, then it wouldn't cost so much time
20:41 < azureus> And I have made also a Board for the website
20:42 < mnemoc_> azureus: with plone you don't have to code, you have to install and set properly the different 'products' (modules)
20:43 < azureus> I know also this, but polne has not all modules. These moduls must be coded
20:44 < azureus> plone is a CMS ( Content managment system)
20:45 < azureus> I'm coding now an own CMS like plone, this could be also used for the site
20:45 < mnemoc_> plone modules are written on zope
20:45 < mnemoc_> azureus: on what?
20:47 < azureus> one www.t2-project.org
20:50 < azureus> mnemoc : or what you mean?
20:51 < mnemoc_> azureus: language
20:52 < azureus> PHP ; SQL
20:53 < azureus> nearly all CMS are written in php
20:55 < mnemoc_> but none can compare to CMS-s written in zope
20:58 < azureus> I will ask morfohr what will be to do...
20:58 < mnemoc_> ok
21:00 < azureus> When said morfohr the new site will be finished
21:02 < mnemoc_> a month ago
21:04 < azureus> and it is not finished yet?
21:04 < mnemoc_> he seems to have been unable to do anything in weeks
21:04 < mnemoc_> we also have a trac pending
21:07 < azureus> the site must be finished before we write any things to the press about the new final.
21:07 < mnemoc_> full ack
21:09 < azureus> what means ack?
21:09 < mnemoc_> agreement
21:09 < mnemoc_> acknowledge to me precise
21:09 < mnemoc_> to be*
21:11 < azureus> mom i must translate first ;-)
21:11 < mnemoc_> ack=agree nack=disagree
21:12 < azureus> ok i now i understand you
21:14 < azureus> When the visitor the the news, they will go to the website. But the current website looks very bad, so the people think the programm is also bad and go away and this wouldn't be good
21:15 < azureus> rxr said that ~next week the final will be ready
21:17 < azureus> That is my opinion. What do you think?
21:17 < veki> mnemoc: I install desktop version of T2 and it also stops when there is need to type stone. When I type stone it hangs..
21:18 < veki> there is no CDROM and CPU activity
21:18 < veki> since machine is 450MHz with 164MB RAM, maybe it needs more time
21:18 < veki> hm
21:19 < veki> maybe it needs to communicate with serial port and it does have difficulty to connect to serial port
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21:20 < azureus> wb mnemoc ;-)
21:21 < mnemoc> :(
21:21 < azureus> do you read what I wrote?
21:21 < mnemoc> no
21:22 < veki> mnemoc: I arrived at thes econd stage of install
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21:23 < mnemoc> veki: just to see where is it crashing: ldconfig
21:24 < veki> mnemoc: yes, after typing serial port it goes to stone part and it crashes
21:24 < veki> yes, this is ldconfig
21:24 < mnemoc> ldconfig crashes?
21:25 < veki> I supose that it is something concerned with my machine since it crasher minmal version and desktop version
21:25 < mnemoc> ldconfig crashes? frozes? said something?
21:25 < veki> mnemoc: since theboth crashed at the same point maybe it does have problem communicating with serial port or entering into stone or stone-text part
21:25 < veki> when i type stone it just hangs and nothing happens
21:26 < mnemoc> don't type stone
21:26 < mnemoc> type ldconfig -v
21:26 < veki> OK, I will do it immediatelly
21:26 < veki> I typed ldconfig -v and it hangs
21:27 < veki> there is nothing more on the screen
21:27 < veki> no verbose activity
21:27 < mnemoc> uhm
21:27 < veki> maybe my machine does have problem with serial port and that disturbs ldconfig
21:27 < mnemoc> why serial ports?
21:28 < mnemoc> next time try: type -p ldconfig
21:28 < mnemoc> and: ldd `type -p ldconfig` after that
21:29 < veki> OK, I will do that now and report you waht ahppens
21:29 < veki> type -p ldconfig is what I have to type
21:29 < mnemoc> yes
21:30 < veki> mnemoc: again nothing
21:31 < mnemoc> frozes?
21:31 < veki> yes
21:31 < mnemoc> uhm
21:31 < veki> I suppose that here is problem with srial port
21:31 < veki> I will check BIOS now
21:31 < mnemoc> why do you mention serial port? are you using serial console?
21:32 < veki> it aske dme serial console before that and maybe that is somethingthat is problematic
21:32 < veki> maybe I should not out anything in that part
21:33 < mnemoc> you are asked to define your TTYs
21:33 < mnemoc> vc/1 vc/2 ....
21:33 < veki> that part is not obvious
21:33 < mnemoc> virtual consoles, nothing serial there
21:33 < mnemoc> just press enter
21:33 < veki> OK, I will put it as default values
21:33 < veki> ok
21:34 < veki> I am pronpted with root, so that was problem
21:34 < mnemoc> uhm?
21:34 < mnemoc> what did you do?
21:34 < veki> what to do now, i am in root account no
21:34 < veki> I am logged as root now and I do not know what to do
21:35 < mnemoc> how did you logged as root without finishing installation?
21:35 < veki> that has happenned after pressing Enter when it asked me for vc1.....
21:35 < mnemoc> uhm
21:35 < veki> That is good question? I do not know
21:36 < veki> Actually, I typed in root Stone and I am prompted now with ncurses dialog
21:36 < mnemoc> after setting partitions and decompressing .gem files, you get vc/1... question and a prompt after that
21:36 < mnemoc> o_O
21:36 < mnemoc> stone setup is what you have to call first
21:36 < mnemoc> to set fstab, keyboard, lang, etc..
21:36 < veki> no, I got vc1 question, when I pressed Enter it jumped over stone question and I am prompted as root account
21:37 < veki> when I in root account type stone I am prompted with ncursed sialog offering me to dopartitioning etc.
21:37 < valentin> veki: yes, and what is wrong with that ?
21:38 < valentin> or did you install already ?
21:38 < mnemoc> valentin: he got ldconfig crashing some minutes ago
21:38 < valentin> oh
21:38 < veki> for example, if I did not press Enter after vc1 question it was frozen
21:38 < mnemoc> veki: yes, you have to press enter there to create vc/*
21:38 < veki> it was forzen after stone typing and it did not put me in root account
21:39 < mnemoc> but you must get a prompt to run stone and set root password inside that
21:39 < veki> OK, I did not know that, maybe it should be mentioned in introductory text
21:39 < veki> I am right now in ncurses dialogue for partitioning.
21:39 < veki> is there any set up that you recommend
21:40 < mnemoc> i use lvm... that would confuse you even more :)
21:40 < veki> oh, thanks :-)))
21:40 < mnemoc> split root, usr, home, var, opt ... and a swap
21:41 < veki> OK, do you recommend any combination of file systems or ext3 is OK for all
21:41 < mnemoc> i use reiserfs,... that is a personal choice
21:41 < veki> so reiserfs for all partitions?
21:42 < mnemoc> that's what i do
21:43 < mnemoc> btw, reiserfs consume more cpu than ext3
21:43 < veki> ok, I am doing partitioning now
21:47 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have time to finish the release of rc1?
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21:53 < sepp_> what is devenrtalised tracking, do i need it?
21:54 < sepp_> azureus shows a popup ...
21:54 < veki> nemoc: I arrived to mine dialog
21:54 < veki> which option should I use
21:54 < mnemoc> sepp_: no
21:54 < mnemoc> veki: follow your instincts
21:55 < mnemoc> sepp_: trackless torrents are uncontrolled and need udp ports
21:55 < veki> OK, i chose /dev/cdrom a source device :-)
21:55 < veki> and started package manager
21:57 < veki> I used to install all packages. I can remove them afterwards :-))
21:57 < veki> installation started
21:58 < mnemoc> finally
21:58 < veki> yes, finally
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21:59 < veki> It is good for me to pass this several times. I am willing to write manual for th ebeginners :-)
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22:00 < veki> I am planning tonight if everything is OK to start build the simplest target or at least to get familiar with dialogs cocnerning the target building
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22:08 < veki> mnemoc: Installation goes fairly well
22:08 < mnemoc> :)
22:08 < veki> I willinform you if I will have any problems. Although it is late evening 10PM here, iwill not go home untill installation will be completede
22:09 < mnemoc> installation is quick
22:10 < veki> yes, it goes fairly well :-)
22:10 < veki> I like choice of packages
22:12 < veki> my idea is to see how it goes on modest machine so the target buidling i snot only privelege o frich. I know that compilaton is slow process, but it is possible to that on modest machine
22:13 < mnemoc> you can install on very modest machines, but using them to build is no-do
22:14 < veki> yes, I understand, small router and server targets are not so urgent and one can dedicte modest machine for work. That isnot aimed for those whose primary work is target building
22:15 < veki> for example, one organisation may dedictae one machine for router, firewall server builing. That is not urgent and it may be in teh corner sitting machine which builds target
22:15 < mnemoc> uhm
22:15 < veki> however, when I say modest machine i do not think on 266 MHz and 64MB RAM
22:16 < veki> currently, 1.7GHZ and 512MB RAM are often machines
22:16 < mnemoc> :)
22:17 < veki> it said that it does have error while installing packae kdeartwork
22:18 < veki> I retried and it succeeded :-)
22:19 < veki> is it probkem to make small router or firewall target?
22:19 < mnemoc> of course not
22:19 < mnemoc> there are target for embedded machines
22:20 < veki> it asked me to insert disk 2
22:20 < veki> is there any?
22:20 < mnemoc> but you don't _build_ on that small machine, you build on a big one
22:20 < sepp_> yes
22:20 < veki> where is disk2
22:20 < mnemoc> installer asks for next disk when he wants a files not available on current disc
22:21 < sepp_> same place as cd1
22:21 < mnemoc> minimal has only one CD, desktop 2, and generic ... 4 or 5 i guess
22:21 < veki> OK, I did not downoaded it :-((((
22:26 < veki> I cannot connect to t2-project.org
22:28 < sepp_> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/space/desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso
22:30 < veki> I am downloading it:-)
22:31 < rxr> re
22:32 < sepp_> hi rxr
22:33 < azureus> wb rxr
22:35 < mnemoc> wb rxr
22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: too busy?
22:36 < veki> cu tomorrow
22:36 < veki> bye
22:37 < azureus> ciao
22:37 < minto> bye veki
22:37 < minto> I am off too
22:37 < minto> oogjes dicht en snaveltjes toe. Slaap lekker.
22:38 < veki> bye good night
22:38 < azureus> gn8
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23:16 < sepp_> mnemoc: the t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent is ok? azureus does not like this file
23:16 < mnemoc> uhm
23:17 < sepp_> i get a io error
23:17 < sepp_> downloaded it 2 times ...
23:17 < mnemoc> from the tracker?
23:17 < sepp_> no from azureus
23:18 < mnemoc> i mean .torrent
23:18 < mnemoc> # btshowmetainfo.py torrents/t2/t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent
23:18 < mnemoc> btshowmetainfo 4.1.2 - decode BitTorrent metainfo files
23:18 < mnemoc> metainfo file.: t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent
23:18 < mnemoc> info hash.....: 6c7448e01c9c5c90c3935dd7191300149319f00d
23:18 < mnemoc> directory name: t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4
23:18 < mnemoc> files.........: t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.md5 (200) t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso (683677696) t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso (429082624) t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_index.txt (277347)
23:18 < mnemoc> archive size..: 1113037867 (4245 * 262144 + 236587)
23:18 < mnemoc> announce url..: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/announce
23:18 < mnemoc> comment.......:
23:19 < azureus> seep : why i dontlike this file?
23:19 < sepp_> lol
23:19 < sepp_> not you but the java bt client
23:19 < mnemoc> :)
23:19 < sepp_> let me try the python thing
23:20 < azureus> why you arent using another clint? like G3
23:20 < mnemoc> sepp_: http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent
23:20 -!- azureus is now known as azureus_go-out-w
23:20 < sepp_> yes i downloaded it 2 times
23:21 -!- azureus_go-out-w is now known as azureus_dog
23:21 < sepp_> even the orig. python client does not work with t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent
23:22 < sepp_> "this is not a valid torrent file."
23:22 < valentin> hi rxr
23:23 < mnemoc> uhm
23:23 < mnemoc> sepp_: and from http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ ?
23:24 < sepp_> moment
23:25 < sepp_> wtf if i get the file with wget it works, if i download it with firefox i get "this is not a valid torrent file."
23:25 < mnemoc> binary vs. ascii download i guess
23:26 < sepp_> i downloaded the other .torrent files with firefox to
23:27 -!- azureus_dog is now known as azureus
23:31 < mnemoc> weird
23:34 < sepp_> hmm strange
23:34 < sepp_> i got the minimal torrent with firefox again - this works
23:40 < mnemoc> o_o
23:55 < mnemoc> anyone xslt here?
23:55 < sepp_> what about a binary athlon iso?
23:56 < mnemoc> jeru was making a desktop for athlonxp
23:57 < sepp_> ahh ok
23:57 < mnemoc> where the F* is jeru?!
23:59 < rxr> hehe ,-)
23:59 * rxr in bed now - cu people
23:59 < lewellyn> sleep well rxr
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