--- Log opened Thu Jun 16 00:00:00 2005 00:00 < morfoh> yes 00:00 < morfoh> == 06/15/05 23:59:47 =[1]=> Aborted building package curl. 00:01 < rxr> hm - did you got 1-tar ? 00:01 < morfoh> nope ... it failed 00:01 < rxr> ah - you skipped it ! 00:01 < rxr> schummler ,-) 00:01 < morfoh> yes ;) 00:01 < rxr> ok - at least you get s.th. else to fix then ,-) 00:02 < rxr> could you paste every passed diet build while I tinker on this shared file ? 00:02 < morfoh> yes 00:03 < morfoh> rxr: curl didn't passed, even after I removed the diet patch 00:03 < rxr> hehe 00:03 < rxr> ok - touch the log - I mentally prepare to hack that up, too 00:03 < morfoh> done ;) 00:04 < morfoh> .oO( the touching Schummler :) 00:04 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.134.233] has joined #t2 00:04 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:03:48 =[1]=> Aborted building package libpng. 00:05 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:04:45 =[1]=> Aborted building package popt. 00:06 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:05:52 =[1]=> Aborted building package libpcap. 00:08 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:06:52 =[1]=> Finished building package rsync. 00:08 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:06:58 =[1]=> Aborted building package ppp. 00:08 < rxr> oh my - I can not do them all tonight 00:08 < rxr> some need shared libs anyway ... 00:08 < rxr> can you post the tails ? 00:08 < morfoh> rxr: you don't have to :) 00:09 < morfoh> rxr: yes 00:18 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:16:23 =[1]=> Aborted building package util-linux. 00:18 < rxr> didn't mmv fail for you ? 00:18 < morfoh> rxr: yes 00:18 < rxr> yes as it failed ? 00:19 < morfoh> yes it failed :) 00:19 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:19:03 =[1]=> Finished building package net-tools. 00:19 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:19:10 =[1]=> Aborted building package procps. 00:20 < sepp> good night all 00:20 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:19:50 =[1]=> Finished building package module-init-tools. 00:20 < morfoh> good night sepp ... sleep well 00:21 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:20:02 =[1]=> Finished building package iproute2. 00:21 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:20:29 =[1]=> Aborted building package irda-utils. 00:22 < morfoh> rxr: I'll send you the whole bunch off .err files as tbz2 00:22 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:21:45 =[1]=> Aborted building package dropbear. 00:22 < rxr> can't you publish somewhere? 00:23 < morfoh> hmmm .... ? let me see 00:23 < rxr> okok - just mail ,-) 00:23 < rxr> or wait 00:23 < rxr> nah - I have them myself 00:23 < morfoh> watt denn nun ? :) 00:24 < rxr> I meant tail to get an insteant view ,-) 00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:05 =[1]=> Finished building package libowfat. 00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:13 =[1]=> Finished building package minit. 00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:18 =[1]=> Finished building package unionfs. 00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:25 =[1]=> Finished building package fgetty. 00:24 < rxr> yeah - dietlibc based builds build so fast ,-) 00:25 < rxr> == 06/16/05 00:24:25 =[1]=> Finished building package mmv. 00:25 < rxr> Creating binary package file for mmv. 00:25 < morfoh> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ... 00:25 < morfoh> 32M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs 00:25 < morfoh> 12M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs.squashfs 00:27 < morfoh> this one looks better 00:27 < morfoh> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ... 00:27 < morfoh> 11M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs 00:27 < morfoh> 4.1M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs.squashfs 00:27 < morfoh> after removing the linux26 module mess 00:29 < rxr> the mmv fix must wait a bit - I want to clean up some comments in the echo_status before I commit it ... 00:30 < morfoh> hmmm ... I can't get this strongswan build on uclibc embedded 00:33 < rxr> maybe I hacked curl to build 00:33 < rxr> ack 00:33 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 227836 Jun 16 00:32 curl 00:33 < rxr> ./curl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped 00:34 < rxr> # time ./curl http://www.heise.de> m 00:34 < morfoh> :) 00:34 < rxr> real 0m0.351s 00:34 < rxr> user 0m0.004s 00:34 < rxr> sys 0m0.007s 00:34 < rxr> I think I have to stop soon 00:34 < morfoh> rxr: tired ? 00:34 < rxr> I have to write a news issue (for golem) and then I'll me sleeping before 2 ... 00:35 < rxr> pkg_curl.patch | 98 +++++++++------------------------------------------------ 00:35 < rxr> 1 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 81 deletions(-) 00:37 < CIA-7> rene * r9706 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_curl.patch: * updated pkg_curl.patch - size greatly reduced 00:38 < CIA-7> rene * r9707 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_coreutils.patch: * copyright patch for the updated coreutils patch 01:03 < rxr> I think I also fixed popt 01:04 < rxr> and thus most probably ppp 01:04 < morfoh> hehe :) 01:04 < rxr> and if we are lucky libpcap 01:04 < rxr> but it needs a dietlibc rebuild 01:04 * rxr testing 01:07 < rxr> == 06/16/05 01:06:06 =[1]=> Finished building package popt. 01:10 < rxr> hm - ppp needs more tweaks - skipped for now 01:10 < rxr> morfoh: why was it I fix all this when we do not wanna use it the enxt days ? 01:11 < morfoh> rxr: hopefully we'll use it soon ... anyway :) 01:12 < morfoh> rxr: or don't you want dietlibc support anymore ? 01:12 < rxr> of course - just not a dietlibc all distribution in the next hours ,-) 01:12 < morfoh> rxr: never talked about that .. ;) 01:13 < morfoh> rxr: thought we agreed for using uclibc for now ;) 01:14 * rxr neither 01:14 < morfoh> rxr: doesn't have uclibc a regcomp function ? 01:14 < rxr> it was just the answer to your Q if I duno wanna have dietlibc anymore ,-) 01:24 < rxr> util-linux built 01:25 < rxr> with far less hacks ... 01:25 < morfoh> hehe :) 01:25 < rxr> what's so funny ? 01:34 -!- CIA-7 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [] 01:35 < rxr> ok - utli-linux should be read now 01:35 < rxr> final test build ,-) 01:35 < rxr> pkg_util-linux.patch | 344 ++++++--------------------------------------------- 01:35 < rxr> 1 files changed, 47 insertions(+), 297 deletions(-) 01:35 < rxr> oops ,-) 01:36 < morfoh> rxr: I'll not laugh anymore 01:36 < rxr> == 06/16/05 01:35:39 =[1]=> Finished building package util-linux. 01:37 < rxr> ouhm - wasn't there work for money I wanted to do tonight ? 01:37 < morfoh> rxr: I guess ... yes. 01:41 < rxr> I want a LCD .. 01:41 < rxr> damn old blurry box ... 01:41 < morfoh> rxr: ack ... it's more comfortable to work on a TFT 01:51 < rxr> more fixed in some mintues 01:52 < morfoh> rxr: :) 01:56 < rxr> oh - CIA quit ... 01:56 < rxr> well - I jsut commited some ... 02:00 < rxr> well - ok - procps is not all that easy to fix without a dynamic dietlibc I think 02:03 < rxr> == 06/16/05 02:02:37 =[1]=> Finished building package module-init-tools. 02:03 < rxr> hm - what do I do not - write the news now - or get up in 5 hours - which I'm sure my body will not endure and just oversleep the bell ... 02:03 < rxr> == 06/16/05 02:02:59 =[1]=> Finished building package iproute2. 02:05 < morfoh> hmmm ...same problem here ... but I think I'll sleep some hours and forcing me to get up 02:05 < rxr> dropbear failed 02:05 < rxr> didn't that build once ? 02:06 < morfoh> yes ... it failed, and I don't know if it was build succesfully using dietlibc before 02:08 < rxr> ok - rebuild - fix might be a oneliner 02:09 < rxr> ouzhm 02:09 < rxr> or 2 02:12 < rxr> == 06/16/05 02:10:48 =[1]=> Finished building package dropbear. 02:13 < rxr> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ... 02:13 < rxr> ok - that should have been a fairly nice fixup round 02:13 < rxr> any other wishes for tonight ? 02:13 < morfoh> rxr: hehe :) 02:13 < morfoh> rxr: let me see ... 02:14 < morfoh> rxr: did you commited the last changes ? 02:16 < morfoh> rxr: "just" that strongswan ar issue is open here 02:17 < rxr> have you filled a ticked ? 02:18 < rxr> ticket even 02:18 < rxr> strongswarm need openssl, right? 02:18 < morfoh> rxr: yes 02:18 < rxr> t2-trunk/target/embedded# grep openssl config.in 02:18 < rxr> t2-trunk/target/embedded# 02:18 < rxr> not in the packge list - nothing to fix -) 02:19 < morfoh> rxr: openssl builds 02:19 < rxr> with dietlibc ? 02:19 < morfoh> no 02:19 < rxr> ouhm 02:19 < morfoh> uclibx 02:19 < rxr> ok - can you flush your uclibc package list to target/embedded ? 02:19 < morfoh> ok 02:20 < rxr> can I hack up strongswarm for uclibc in the morning - whenever that is when my body agrees to wakeup ... 02:20 < morfoh> rxr: sure :) 02:20 < rxr> findutils-4.2.22 02:21 < rxr> only one update today ? 02:21 < rxr> ah - checker still running ... 02:21 < morfoh> rxr: I'll just add openssl for uclibc embedded for now 02:21 < rxr> yes - ack 02:21 < rxr> I think I also move all non-dietlibc buildable out of the generic selection tomorrow 02:22 < rxr> aMule-2.0.3 02:41 < mnemoc> rehi 02:41 < morfoh> hey mnemoc 02:42 < mnemoc> hi mofoh 02:43 < mnemoc> rsync is damn stupid 02:43 < rxr> moin mnemoc 02:43 < mnemoc> after: 02:43 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso 02:43 < mnemoc> 683677696 100% 27.83kB/s 6:39:45 (1, 28.6% of 7) 02:43 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso 02:43 < mnemoc> 429082624 100% 29.01kB/s 4:00:45 (2, 42.9% of 7) 02:43 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_index.txt 02:44 < mnemoc> 277347 100% 41.75kB/s 0:00:06 (3, 57.1% of 7) 02:44 < mnemoc> it noticed my tempdir didn't exist, and failed 02:44 < rxr> I think I grab a peppermint tea and get my news storry done 02:44 < mnemoc> rsync: mkstemp "/srv/amery/geeks.cl/t2/iso/../temp/.desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso.w3et6D" failed: No such file or directory (2) 02:44 < mnemoc> rxr: :) 02:44 < rxr> mnemoc: hm 02:44 < rxr> strange 02:44 < rxr> btw maybe --partial would have helped ? 02:45 < rxr> rsync without --partial considered harmful .... 02:45 < mnemoc> it was rsync -T ../temp -avP t2-iso/ xxx.xxx.cl:/..../geeks.cl/t2/iso/ 02:45 < rxr> looks like I soon have to tighten spam filtering on exactcode's mail server .... :-( 02:45 < mnemoc> i though -P covered --partial 02:46 < rxr> I think so, too 02:46 * rxr off for a peppermint tea 02:51 < morfoh> ok .... I will go sleep for some hours ... cu 02:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: gn8 02:54 < rxr> n8 morfoh 02:54 < rxr> mnemoc: in the next 10 days I'll setup a nightly uclibc / dietlibc embedded regression tester - and a weeksly or so trunk reference 02:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes thanks ... I'll have 3,5h for sleep now ... 02:54 < rxr> with the good old rocklinux-consulting history graph plot and such ... 02:54 < morfoh> cu later guys :) 02:55 < morfoh> rxr: again many thanks for diet work today ;) 02:55 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm using --partial-dir also now 02:55 < mnemoc> rxr: :) 02:55 < rxr> ouhm# 02:56 < rxr> morfoh: no problem - sorry that I did not maneged some days before 02:58 < morfoh> rxr: no problem ... as you said some days before ... paid work has priority 02:59 * morfoh off now ... cu 02:59 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFFC5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 04:03 < rxr> ok - me off soon as well 04:03 < rxr> 04:03 here .. 04:09 < rxr> n8 04:25 -!- keinek [~root@201.254.8.40] has joined #t2 04:25 < keinek> hi 05:00 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.134.233] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 05:07 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.134.233] has joined #t2 05:09 -!- keinek [~root@201.254.8.40] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 05:23 -!- keinek [~keinek@201.254.8.40] has joined #t2 05:24 < keinek> hi 05:25 < keinek> mnemoc, estas por ahi? 05:26 < keinek> are you there mnemoc ? 05:27 < sparc-kly> hi keinek 05:28 < keinek> hi sparc-kly 05:28 < keinek> everybody is sleeping??? 05:37 < sparc-kly> q estas inventando nuevo 05:37 < keinek> vamos a t2-es 05:53 < mnemoc> hi keinek , sparc-kly 05:54 < _Lewellyn> how are the weird, awake, people? :) 05:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: we are all on the same continent :) 05:58 < keinek> we are? 06:01 < mnemoc> yep 06:04 < _Lewellyn> so we can't also all be weird? :) 06:07 < mnemoc> only you expend 30 dollars daily on sushi 06:08 < _Lewellyn> once every few months 06:08 < _Lewellyn> i just spent $6 on dinner: 4 tacos. 06:08 < _Lewellyn> i skipped breakfast and lunch, so meal expenditures today were closer to your level :) 06:08 * _Lewellyn hates the price of food around here 06:09 < _Lewellyn> my first day on the job, no one warned me about food prices. 06:09 < _Lewellyn> went out and bought an $8 salad 06:09 < _Lewellyn> got back and they were all "oh ya. forgot to warn you about that place" 06:09 < mnemoc> o_O 06:11 < _Lewellyn> i was all "damn. that money could feed one of sally struthers' children for a month. (or one of her thighs for 10 minutes...)" 06:13 * _Lewellyn curses zope 06:13 < _Lewellyn> Error Value: float() needs a string argument 06:13 < _Lewellyn> but where am i using float()? :( 06:16 < mnemoc> :) 06:19 < mnemoc> i'll go to read... cu 06:22 < _Lewellyn> have a good night 06:22 < mnemoc> you too 06:22 < mnemoc> it's freezing here... i'll read on bed :p 06:26 < _Lewellyn> enjoy 06:26 * _Lewellyn tries to finish up at work 06:42 < keinek> ok... xmame update is ready 06:42 < keinek> :) 06:42 < keinek> my best package. 06:42 < keinek> :P 06:43 < _Lewellyn> :) 06:43 < _Lewellyn> where best == favorite? :) 06:44 < keinek> yeah... my favorite package. 06:48 < _Lewellyn> :) 06:48 * _Lewellyn wonders if there's a palm mame 06:49 < keinek> well you have a gameboy emulator if you want. 06:49 < _Lewellyn> never got it working :/ 06:49 < _Lewellyn> besides i have a gameboy. and it's not much bigger :) 06:49 < _Lewellyn> (and the keys are actually in useable positions) 06:50 < keinek> :) 06:51 < _Lewellyn> damn, there's mame for almost everything useable EXCEPT a palm or midp device 06:51 < _Lewellyn> and i can easily see why no one's tackled the latter 06:51 < keinek> i have a pam m100 06:51 < keinek> too little for mame. 06:51 < _Lewellyn> have you tried it with the livecd? 06:51 < keinek> pocket pc is ideal for mame. 06:51 < _Lewellyn> (your palm) 06:52 < _Lewellyn> eh. my tungsten c is sufficiently powerful for mame 06:52 < keinek> my palm m100 have only 2 megas 06:52 < _Lewellyn> 400mhz arm , 64mb of ram, 512mb sd. should do me just fine :) 06:52 < keinek> yes. 06:52 < _Lewellyn> i shoulda waited for a lifedrive though. :( 06:52 < _Lewellyn> the wifi kinda sucks on the t|c 06:53 < _Lewellyn> ooh! phmame! 06:53 < keinek> but a least you have wifi :P 06:53 * _Lewellyn wonders if there's a mame for os/2 06:54 < keinek> m100 have a lcd with only 1 color. 06:54 < _Lewellyn> eh. the wifi sucks. 06:54 < _Lewellyn> i can't connect to lots of access points 06:54 < _Lewellyn> which makes it damn near useless 06:54 < _Lewellyn> it's supposed to be a work device, but i end up using it to play dominoes and monopoly :( 06:55 < _Lewellyn> ooh! mame for os2! :) 06:55 < keinek> do you like os2? 06:56 < _Lewellyn> it has its uses 06:56 < _Lewellyn> bah. latest port of mame is .37 :( 06:56 < _Lewellyn> even qnx got .60 :( 06:56 < _Lewellyn> i don't think i have roms older than .50 or so 06:57 < keinek> ibm do a mistake when do that programs of windows 3.1 can work with your system. 06:57 < _Lewellyn> can you re-phrase? 06:57 < keinek> sorry for my english. 06:58 < _Lewellyn> it's ok. i'm tired and probably making less sense than usual, too :) 06:58 < keinek> in os/2 you can run windows 3.1 programs. 06:58 < _Lewellyn> yes 06:58 < _Lewellyn> and some win32 programs 06:58 < keinek> that was the end of os/2 06:58 < _Lewellyn> (such as acrobat reader) 06:59 < keinek> programers dont worry for programing for os/2 06:59 < _Lewellyn> no, the end of os/2 was microsoft screwing ibm over and not marketing it, choosing to instead market its competitor based upon it. 06:59 < _Lewellyn> (windows nt) 06:59 < keinek> yes... 06:59 < _Lewellyn> win16 compatibility was a great idea 07:00 < _Lewellyn> market nt and os/2 to the businesses who need real memory protection and multitasking; market windows 3.x to the average joe who wanted something cheap 07:00 < keinek> the win16 compatibility, is some like transgaming... emulating games. 07:01 < keinek> nobody will programe games for linux... thinking... "well with cedega can emulate the game" 07:02 < keinek> but... 07:02 < keinek> i think that ibm thinks... that is a great ideal the compatibility. 07:02 < _Lewellyn> i'm just glad that os/2 has more of a viable commercial backing still than be does. 07:02 < keinek> the people dont miss windows. 07:03 < _Lewellyn> os/2 actually had software and has PLENTY of docs, thanks to ibm's anal documenters :) 07:04 < _Lewellyn> wow. zeta is apparently about to finally ship. 07:15 < _Lewellyn> ok. off with me now. 07:15 * _Lewellyn needs to stop by the bar, i think. 07:54 -!- keinek [~keinek@201.254.8.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:00 -!- CIA-10 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 08:39 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:50 < valentin> moin 08:58 < minto> moin Valentin 09:01 < valentin> hi minto 09:01 < minto> valentin: How is the pregnancy progressing? 09:02 < valentin> good, thx 09:07 < valentin> about 6 weeks remaining... 09:15 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFC74D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 09:15 < morfoh> moin 09:20 < valentin> moin morfoh 09:21 < morfoh> hi valentin 09:21 < minto> hi morfoh 09:24 < morfoh> hi minto 09:26 < minto> does anyone know where I can find xmlhelp in ooo 09:37 < valentin> sorry, never really used ooo 09:38 < minto> mnemoc said the java code needed to be patched, now I try to find the sources. 09:55 -!- Mayoral [ask@mayoral.user] has joined #t2 09:55 -!- Mayoral [ask@mayoral.user] has left #t2 [] 09:57 < minto> hi, bye Mayoral 10:05 < morfoh> T2 based embedded system. http://www.t2-project.org/ 10:05 < morfoh> 10:05:03 2005-06-16 -- 0 users online -- line [vc/1]. 10:05 < morfoh> Welcome to embedded (T2 - Kernel 2.6.10). 10:05 < morfoh> - 10:05 < morfoh> embedded login: 10:06 < morfoh> hehe :) 10:06 < minto> morfoh: weldone 10:06 < morfoh> minto: allmost ;) 10:36 < valentin> bbl 10:36 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.196.48.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:41 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.111] has joined #t2 10:41 < minto> Hi mnemoc 10:57 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.120] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:18 < minto> Aaaaarggghhhhh 11:23 < rxr> re 11:26 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38663.html 11:28 < morfoh> hi rxr 11:32 < rxr> 11:32 < rxr> OpenLDAP 2.3.4 11:33 < rxr> valentin: did you understand the MPD of Lower saxony, Wulf, recently about software patents? Did he wanted to express he wants software patents ? 11:35 < morfoh> rxr: how can I overlay an on the fly created ramdisk partition above a read-only rootfs using unionfs ? 11:36 < rxr> overlaying the whole root is problematic 11:36 < morfoh> rxr: I want to store /var/log on a ramdisk 11:36 < rxr> only var? that is easy 11:36 < rxr> mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/tmp/var-overlay:/var=ro none /var 11:36 < rxr> the =ro is optinal - unionfs should find out itself ... 11:37 < morfoh> ah ok 11:37 < morfoh> thanks 11:37 < rxr> overlaying / caused problems in my test - but I noticed later on I migh thave made a typo 11:42 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/06/14/2214241.shtml 11:42 < rxr> and search for T2 - tis nis not from me ,-) 11:44 < CIA-10> rene * r9719 /trunk/package/emulators/xmame/xmame.desc: 11:44 < CIA-10> keinek : 11:44 < CIA-10> * updated xmame (0.96 -> 0.97) 11:46 < rxr> http://lists.altlinux.ru/pipermail/sisyphus/2005-June/061562.html 12:22 < CIA-10> rene * r9720 /trunk/package/network/amule/amule.desc: * updated amule (2.0.2 -> 2.0.3) 12:28 < CIA-10> rene * r9721 /trunk/package/base/findutils/findutils.desc: * updated findutils (4.2.19 -> 4.2.22) 12:31 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 12:32 < rxr> hi azureus 12:33 < azureus> hello rxr 12:42 < rxr> I guess my rock-devel cc might cause a flamewar ... 12:45 < morfoh> rxr: oh! 12:45 < rxr> oh ? 12:45 < rxr> I could not resist ... 12:46 < rxr> they should answer their user questions - that would not cause external people to answer them - and inject T2 links -,) 12:57 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 12:59 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFC74D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 13:00 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:01 -!- minto_ is now known as minto 13:07 * rxr shortly away - cu 13:10 < jsaw> rxr: dietlibc/libugly/pclose.c : f is freed before access by waitpid() 13:12 < jsaw> (I have no private email still, otherwise I'd inform fefe myself) 13:19 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFC74D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:21 < azureus> wb morfoh 13:24 < morfoh> hi azureus 13:25 < rxr> jsaw: ok - I take a look 13:25 < rxr> jsaw: how do you found this bug ? 13:29 < rxr> jsaw: isn't the code correct ? 13:30 < rxr> ah - no it is indeed free()ed in fclose ... 13:31 < rxr> jsaw: I think the code has a hen and egg problem - the process might not terminate until the pipe is closed ... 13:32 < rxr> jsaw: have you a patch ? 13:32 < rxr> ah 13:33 < rxr> + pid_t pid = f->popen_kludge; fclose(f); 13:33 < rxr> - if (waitpid(f->popen_kludge,&status,0)>=0) 13:33 < rxr> + if (waitpid(pid,&status,0)>=0) 13:33 < rxr> ? 13:42 < CIA-10> rene * r9722 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pclose.patch: 13:42 < CIA-10> * fixed pclose dereference after free() in pclose bug discovered by 13:42 < CIA-10> Juergen 13:42 < rxr> jsaw: patch committed and send to the dietlibc list ,-) 13:43 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:47 < rxr> damn - fefe's mail server is quite strict 13:47 < rxr> no attachments on lists ... :-)( 13:51 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 13:53 < CIA-10> rene * r9723 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dir.h.patch: * added warning to the old-ugly dir.h I added to dietlibc last night 13:53 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFC74D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:56 < CIA-10> rene * r9724 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.6.7 -> 2.6.8) 13:56 < rxr> now - really gone 14:11 < jsaw> rxr: thanks :) 14:11 < jsaw> (been away too) 14:17 < jsaw> and am gone now too, cu later 15:08 < rxr> ewr 15:08 < rxr> re even 15:27 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:08 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.134.233] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:02 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:17 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178138180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:17 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:17 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 17:17 [Users #t2] 17:17 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-10] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 17:17 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] 17:17 [ azureus ] [ minto ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] 17:17 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 17:17 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:17 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:17 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 17:33 -!- rxr [rene@e178129019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:34 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:59 < rxr> jsaw: patch accepted: 17:59 < rxr> 0.30: 17:59 < rxr> fix embarassing bug in pclose (Juergen Sawinski, Ren Rebe) 18:08 < rxr> ouhm - damn windows USB crap 18:08 < rxr> I now booted 40 times and whatever and still the scanner does not work on that box anymore ... 18:15 < mnemoc_> moin 18:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: only update openldap releases flagged as 'stable' 18:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: they mix stable and gamma releases 18:17 < rxr> aha# 18:18 < rxr> I did not intended to take a closer look anyway .. 18:18 < rxr> mnemoc_: how can you work with windows ... 18:18 < rxr> seriously - I just wanted to grab a new bit of i/o transferred to the scanenr - and what worked weeks ago does not do anymore ... 18:18 < rxr> no way to convince this damn OS to talk to the scanner ... 18:19 < mnemoc_> i don't have any scanner :p 18:22 < rxr> guess it is the same with any device driver in windows ... 18:24 < mnemoc_> windows 'kernel' is not very well designed 18:24 < rxr> it was designed ? 18:26 < valentin> re 18:26 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:26 < valentin> rxr: my new kdesystem always crashes on wake from ram 18:27 < rxr> kde or kernel = 18:27 < rxr> I call you .. 18:30 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF8E8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:31 < azureus> hi mtr 18:32 < mnemoc_> rxr: desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4 is waiting for you :) 18:38 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF8611.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:42 < rxr> ouhm - damn damn damn - the disk in the gsmp box need to be exchanged urgently ... 18:45 < rxr> mnemoc_: don't delete the minimal yet 18:45 < rxr> i/o error during sync :-( 18:45 < rxr> I need a new hardrive ... 18:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: ok 18:48 < rxr> where is morfoh when one needs him ... :-( 18:49 < mnemoc_> :( 18:49 < rxr> mnemoc_: any step by step guid how to reactiveate the USB stack / support / drivers in Windows ? 18:49 < mnemoc_> no idea, sorry 18:50 < rxr> kicking the box usually helps ? 18:51 < mnemoc_> yes 18:51 < mnemoc_> i always reboot windows when it gets stupid 18:51 < rxr> ok - T2 Research case studi: use of windows makes people agressive 18:52 < rxr> I rebooted 40 times now ... 18:52 < mnemoc_> :( 18:52 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 18:52 < rxr> I know it has issues when the device was powered on before the box - but I already tried all permutations that came to my mind ... 18:55 -!- azu2 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 18:55 < rxr> windows: the most effective way to waste time of employees ... 19:05 < SerWou> ;) rxr 19:06 < SerWou> i'm doing an internship in a Win32 trolls company who provide computers solutions based in Winbloze :(( 19:07 < mnemoc_> rxr: tell me when you snapshot rc1 to sync my mirror :p 19:11 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:12 < rxr> snapshot ? 19:12 < rxr> you mean tarball ? 19:14 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes 19:16 < azu2> Would do you think about a german support Board? 19:17 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:17 < azu2> hi ranger 19:18 < rxr> mnemoc_: I tar when you tell me to 19:18 < rxr> mnemoc_: you say tag xyz is ready publish it ... 19:19 < mnemoc_> it is 19:19 < rxr> should I announce everywhere, too ? 19:19 < mnemoc_> i wanted the ISOs... but 19:19 < mnemoc_> what mastermind thinks about? 19:20 < rxr> you also wanted the new homepage, right ? 19:20 < mnemoc_> we can't want for ever :( 19:20 < azu2> yes 19:20 < mnemoc_> btw, http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html next merge orgy doesn't looks well :( 19:21 < rxr> hm 19:21 < rxr> btw. on the rock list clifford wrote the ROCK trunk has 0 build errors 19:21 < rxr> I wonder how they managed that ... 19:21 < azu2> but I wanted an external Board 19:21 < _Ragnar_> *g* 19:21 < _Ragnar_> remove 1/2 of the packages? 19:21 < rxr> no idea 19:22 < rxr> I especially wonder with the big submaster content ... 19:22 < azu2> I could make one very fast und my domain, like t2.pc-help-city.de 19:22 < mnemoc_> they have multi-versions, so api changes don't affect them 19:22 < rxr> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: dev/isdnctrl 19:22 < rxr> ouhm ! 19:23 < azu2> It will be based on smf 19:23 < rxr> wel - ok we also do not have too many build errors - and hundreds more packages 19:23 < mnemoc_> azu2: we have an almost ready plone at www2 19:24 < mnemoc_> jsaw: ping 19:24 < azu2> plone? 19:24 < rxr> mnemoc_: II help with regressions in a few days 19:24 < rxr> especially the ones that fail due to stricter checking ,-) 19:24 < azu2> what is a plone? 19:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: :) 19:24 < rxr> damn - how do I get a windows driver i/o dump ... 19:24 < mnemoc_> azu2: www.plone.org 19:24 * rxr kicks the windows box once more ... 19:24 < mnemoc_> azu2: a CMS that works over zope 19:25 < rxr> I wonder if I should install win xp on my main workstation just 19:25 < azu2> ok, but I want anexternal german only Board 19:25 < rxr> however it has esoteric hardware like a dvb-t and 10 channel 96kHz 24bit should card 19:26 < rxr> guess this Windows hobby OS makes hicups there, too ... 19:27 < azu2> It will take a long time to finishthe site at www2 19:28 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 19:28 < azu2> I can make an exampel tomorrow and show it you, ok? 19:29 < rxr> sure 19:29 < azu2> ok thanks 19:29 < azu2> I try my best 19:35 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:36 < minto> Great :-( I blew the one server that was working. 19:37 < rxr> hi minto 19:37 < minto> hi rxr 19:37 < mnemoc> hi minto 19:37 < azu2> hallo minto 19:37 < minto> hi and hallo all 19:38 < rxr> what did you blow ? 19:38 < minto> mnemoc: Messing around with ooo made me destroy my server. 19:39 < mnemoc> :( 19:39 < mnemoc> sorry 19:39 < minto> I should slap myself. On my old rock system I did mine -r glibc23 19:39 < azu2> How many traffic do you have with this project on your server? 19:39 < mnemoc> non umount stuff after debug.sh? 19:39 < mnemoc> non umounted stuff after debug.sh? 19:40 < minto> It's not the umount stuff that killed it. 19:40 < minto> The server was not really connected to the internet 19:40 < minto> I use it mostly for development purposes and building t2. 19:41 < minto> azu2: Where are you from? 19:42 < minto> mnemoc: I tried installing T2 2.1.0 beta3 on it. However when installing I got some error on xorg. Something with libGL but I don't recall the exact error. 19:43 < azu2> I'm from Germany 19:43 < azu2> but I#m also from Poland 19:43 < mnemoc> minto: rc1! 19:43 < _Ragnar_> :) 19:43 < mnemoc> minto: beta3 is 'obsolete' 19:43 < minto> mnemoc: where can I find rc1? 19:44 < mnemoc> minto: i have a minimal(pmmx) and a desktop(p4) on my site 19:44 < mnemoc> minto: jeru has desktop(pmmx) and desktop(athlonX) somewhere 19:45 < minto> minimal should be enough for my server. 19:45 < mnemoc> rxr: is your copy of minimal-pmmx ok? 19:45 < mnemoc> minto: http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/ 19:46 < mnemoc> minto: my international link is not the best, but... 19:47 < rxr> nope - not yet 19:47 < minto> mnemoc: Download in progress 19:48 < mnemoc> we will need a torrent.... some day... 19:51 < minto> oops, download might take a while: 2.3 Kb/sec 19:52 < mnemoc> :( 19:52 < mnemoc> abort, i'll set a torrent 19:53 < minto> Aborted, in the mean time I will install a torrent client. 19:54 < mnemoc> i have to learn to run a torrent too 19:57 < rxr> please don't stress mnemoc server 19:58 < rxr> I right now grap the copies ... 19:58 < minto> rxr: I already cancelled the download 20:02 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.134.233] has joined #t2 20:02 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 20:02 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc . What sup :p 20:03 < mnemoc> nothing : 20:03 < mnemoc> :) 20:04 < minto> mnemoc: any idea where I can find the xmlhelp sources? 20:05 < _Lewellyn> morning 20:05 < minto> hi _Lewellyn 20:05 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: there's the self-tracking torrents now 20:06 < mnemoc> minto: uhm? inside ooo 20:07 < minto> mnemoc: Yeah but where? Which one of the downloads? 20:09 < mnemoc> minto: you have to start a build 20:09 < mnemoc> minto: ooo source is a big mess 20:10 < mnemoc> minto: ooo-builder is the only which understands the structure of that crap 20:10 < _Lewellyn> tell me again why people run ooo? :( 20:10 < mnemoc> because other poeple run ms word 20:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: any recommended reading about new torrents? 20:12 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 20:12 < Postal> Hey all 20:12 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: dunno. bittorrent.org? 20:12 < _Lewellyn> bittornado.com? 20:13 < mnemoc> http://www.exeem.com/ <-- this thing? 20:13 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: tell me again why wordperfect sold to novell and let ms take over? :( 20:13 < mnemoc> http://www.bittorrent.com/trackerless.html :D 20:13 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :( 20:13 < _Lewellyn> i've never heard of exeem 20:14 < azu2> exeem is a news peer to peer clint 20:15 < _Lewellyn> "yet another" new p2p client... :( 20:16 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 20:16 < _Ragnar_> not really new 20:16 < _Lewellyn> but still yet another 20:19 < _Lewellyn> hm. the web seems to indicate that exeem, contrary to their site's claims, is riddled with spyware 20:19 < mnemoc> pff 20:19 < rxr> pff - this damn damn windows crap 20:20 < _Lewellyn> rxr: why are you using windows? 20:20 < _Ragnar_> ;D 20:20 < rxr> no - but my driver reverse engeneer win98 self destroyed the USB support 20:20 < rxr> and I urgently need to grab some USB scanner i/o bits ... 20:20 < rxr> damn crap ... 20:21 < CIA-10> amery * r9725 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.0.0 -> 4.0.2) 20:21 < _Ragnar_> o_O 20:21 < rxr> every time I need to touch a windows box I wonder how other people can endure to use this 100% of pure bullshit ... 20:22 < _Lewellyn> win98 is dead to microsoft 20:22 < rxr> really - I mean it - I mean nothing is working as it should in this hobby garage OS ... 20:22 < mnemoc> the power of marketing 20:22 < _Lewellyn> is there an official package list? 20:22 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: no, it's not dead. they _sell_ it to poor schools here 20:22 < Postal> I just tried net beans for the first time today and its really nice 20:22 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ 20:22 < minto> mnemoc: I found the cvs repository for xmlhelp 20:22 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: of course, unsupported 20:22 < minto> http://sc.openoffice.org/source/browse/util/xmlhelp 20:23 < mnemoc> minto: do they have notes or code about bdb43? 20:23 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: well, here, they wanted to discontinue all support for it. then the huge installed user base revolted :( 20:23 < _Lewellyn> winme is going to die before 98... 20:23 < minto> mnemoc: Dunno, just found it. 20:23 < _Lewellyn> and thanks, rxr 20:24 < Postal> Hey rxr and word on the 64bit livecd? 20:24 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: due to their generosity they sell win98 licenses to school on 30 dollars, and they can rent office97 on 15 more per year 20:25 < rxr> we need t2.com and put big price offers there - guess people will start to migrate then ... 20:25 < _Lewellyn> rent? 20:25 < _Lewellyn> and who maintains the wmx port? 20:26 < rxr> vuescan is also crap 20:26 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: three years minimal iirc ... of course the price is per station 20:26 < rxr> just hangs with my AV 220 under Linux ... 20:26 < rxr> ... of course my own driver works just fine ... 20:26 < _Lewellyn> hell, i can sell them licenses cheaper than that 20:26 < rxr> $ scp en_winxp_pro_with_sp2.iso sunrise: 20:27 < CIA-10> amery * r9726 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.0.2 -> 4.1.2) 20:27 < rxr> so - my RAID spare will get a windwos install now - just to sniff a few button press bits of this damn windows driver that stopped working on my win98 testbed ... 20:27 < rxr> grummel ... 20:27 < Postal> Has anyone tried the Windows x64 yet? 20:27 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you have to sign an agreement with our education minister first 20:27 < rxr> and thereafter my RAID gets the spare back ... 20:27 < _Lewellyn> Postal: not i. 20:27 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: lame. 20:27 < Postal> _Lewellyn, its actually pretty fast... not as fast as say t2, but its snappy 20:28 < _Lewellyn> so, how can one contact the maintainer for a package easily? :) 20:28 < rxr> not not that anyone thinks the above is warez - it is what I got over my universities academic license program ... 20:28 < Postal> _Lewellyn, they will let you have it free for 180 days 20:28 < _Lewellyn> Postal: with more registers, i'd hope so 20:28 < _Lewellyn> i know. i'm not installing it on my only 64bit box though 20:28 < _Lewellyn> i have a copy 20:28 < _Lewellyn> rxr: ya, best to clear that up since we were just talking p2p :) 20:28 < Postal> lol, the one thing i will say, is they really fucked up on driver support 20:29 < _Lewellyn> Postal: because they decided not to support 32bit drivers? 20:29 * _Lewellyn thinks it was a wise choice 20:29 < Postal> _Lewellyn, not so much, but yes, and then people have not gotten there 64bit dirvers out fast enough 20:29 < Postal> getting drivers is tough 20:29 < _Lewellyn> can't blame ms for companies dragging their feet 20:30 < rxr> btw the german academic license crap stinks 20:30 < _Lewellyn> ms clearly warns you when you exchange your license for a 64 bit license 20:30 < rxr> you need to download an .exe that downloads the actual file ... 20:30 < Postal> _Lewellyn, i think they should have allowed support for the 32bit drivers though... would make things easier for older hardware 20:30 < rxr> so you need windows installed to get it - quite annoying ... 20:30 < _Lewellyn> uh. ew. 20:30 < _Lewellyn> it would have been hell for the kernel 20:31 < rxr> no idea why they choose this strange way when they want accademic people to migrate from Un*x to Windows ... 20:31 < _Lewellyn> just what we need, more kernel issues in windows 20:31 * Postal thinks netbeans is pretty ;-) 20:31 * rxr thinks windows is the ugliest crap on earth ... 20:31 < mnemoc> "Windows is trustable" 20:31 * Postal would agree 20:31 < Postal> mnemoc, in what way? 20:32 < rxr> I need to be careful to disconnect any drive beside hdc - so that evil windows does not touch any of my precious other disks ... 20:32 < mnemoc> "you have the support of a big american company" 20:32 < Postal> mnemoc, which means very little 20:32 < mnemoc> not here 20:32 < Postal> ..? 20:33 < mnemoc> here that means a lot 20:34 * rxr cleaning moshrooms ... 20:34 < _Lewellyn> magic ones? :) 20:34 < rxr> while waiting the poor U30 burning this windows crap bits ... (onto a printed ROCK CD-R ...) 20:34 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.134.233] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:34 < rxr> no - my evening dinner ... 20:35 < minto> Uh???? Berkely DB source are in Open Office cvs? 20:36 < _Lewellyn> probably modified :/ 20:38 < minto> If they patch it there must be a good (I hope) reason for it. And if there is a reason they should share the patch with sleepycat. 20:38 < mnemoc> they have 'good' reasons to patch everything 20:39 < mnemoc> their repository weights 1.2G 20:39 < rxr> including gcc and glibc IIRC ... 20:39 < minto> these people probably get paid in kloc's 20:39 < rxr> "your system compiler is not trustworthy - bootstrapping an own one" ... 20:40 < minto> The more line of code the more money. It probably does not matter if the code belongs to others. 20:40 < rxr> .o(building OOO Linux kernel accelerator) 20:40 < rxr> or .o(building OOO optmized Linux kernel) == 30MB++ more ,-) 20:40 < mnemoc> o_O 20:41 < minto> OOO probably has a patched kernel in their repository as well then. 20:42 < mnemoc> to inject java vm 20:42 < minto> in kernal space? 20:42 < mnemoc> yeah :D 20:43 < minto> next step is to optimize the processor. 20:43 < minto> Maybe they should start optimizing OOO first. 20:43 < mnemoc> a processor which understand java bytecode natively :) 20:44 < minto> These processors already exist (I think) 20:44 < mnemoc> :( 20:45 < minto> have look: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=24985 20:45 < mnemoc> i don't want to see that 20:49 < minto> mnemoc: xmlhelp sourcecode has not been touched in 8 weeks. Can't find any remards about bdb 4.3. 20:49 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:50 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:51 < minto> Thank god it is only software. Firefox exploded right in my face. I could be dead. 20:51 < _Lewellyn> firefox is unsafe at any speed :) 20:54 < mnemoc> minto: i doubt they plan to support bdb43 20:55 * _Lewellyn wonders how long ooo catches up with emacs 21:02 -!- azu2 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcfa2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 21:12 < rxr> re 21:12 < rxr> dmman 21:12 < rxr> man even ... 21:12 < rxr> this xp does take longer to load some basic drivers from CD than the whole T2 Live needs to boot into kde ... 21:17 < _Lewellyn> :) 21:18 < _Ragnar_> ;D 21:18 < _Lewellyn> http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/05/26/100522.php 21:18 < _Lewellyn> i think i need to print this out and post it on bulletin boards around the city 21:20 < rxr> we substatnly need to decreate functionality and quality from T2 and make it way slower and then we place some big $$$ signs on boxes and get rich 21:21 < rxr> and why needs it so long to install = 21:21 < rxr> hey - man - this is a 2500+ box with 512MB RAM ... 21:22 < _Lewellyn> it installs a LOT of crap, remember. 21:22 < _Lewellyn> and it pre-configures it for you. 21:22 < _Lewellyn> that much is at least forgiveable. 21:22 < rxr> in that time I managed to go shopping for some last evening dinner ingredients, sliced moshrooms and zucchini 21:22 < _Lewellyn> (providing you're speaking of xp) 21:23 < rxr> well - preconfiguring as in touching some key value or xml files? 21:23 < rxr> shoudl take not too long at 2500 pseudo Ghz ... 21:25 < rxr> and why is the HD crunching as if I would Build-Target with 8 parallel jobs inside a RAID5 array ... 21:25 < rxr> and why is there a baloon tip that my "computer might be at risk - Antivirus software might not be installed" ??? 21:27 < rxr> and why did it assign my static IP to the 3com card when it had a Via integrated bla bla headline during install ? 21:29 < rxr> ouhm - and I lost my scanner driver CD again .. 21:29 < rxr> grummel 21:37 < _Lewellyn> rxr: windows is too complex. install dos. :) 21:37 < minto> ooo cvs is a bloody mess. 21:38 < minto> Actually windows is pretty advanced. They install it three times in one go (that's why it takes so long) to increase stability. If one of the installs crashed they switch on the spot to one of the other installs. Clever thinking. 21:40 < rxr> why the hell did I install the scanner driver if when I plug it in now this window crap searches for it on my cd rom and harddisk ... 21:41 < rxr> minto: you are kidding, right ? 21:41 < minto> sure 21:41 < rxr> please wait while the wizard is searching ... 21:41 < rxr> urh 21:42 < rxr> now - after 40 or 50 seconds (on my fresh non - garbage system with 2500 pseudo Mhz) it tells me it found a driver but it did not pass some windows logo testng blubs ? 21:44 < rxr> hm - the driver just scanned into a PDF 21:44 < rxr> when I click on it some dialog appears to either use some web service to install some program or to select some program from some list? 21:44 < rxr> why isn't is diplayed ? 21:44 < _Lewellyn> huh? the driver scanned itself? :) 21:45 < rxr> yeah - the driver insalls some button monitor daemon and when I press the scan button I can scan into a PDF 21:45 < rxr> (it is as 1000US$ scanner ...) 21:45 < rxr> over 25 pages per minute duplex and so on beast ... 21:45 < rxr> but how can I view this pdf now ? 21:46 < _Lewellyn> gsview :) 21:46 < rxr> hm - the web service proposes adpobe acrobat or photoshop elements .. 21:46 < rxr> _Lewellyn: where is that in windows? 21:46 < _Lewellyn> acrobat > 5 is dog slow 21:46 < rxr> and why is thr 21:46 < _Lewellyn> windows does not ship with a pdf viewer 21:46 < rxr> there no default mime association ? 21:46 < rxr> _Lewellyn: what ? 21:46 < rxr> I payed $$$ for it ... 21:46 < _Lewellyn> most systems ship with one. but ms does not make one of their own 21:46 < mnemoc> rxr: association is based on extension 21:47 < rxr> mnemoc: still it does not work after the vanilla install ... 21:47 < _Lewellyn> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/gsview/ 21:47 < _Lewellyn> or... 21:47 * rxr installing the i/o sniffer to get the few bits I need logged ... 21:47 < rxr> so I must be happy that it comes with a internet browser by default ? 21:48 < _Lewellyn> http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/5.x/5.1/AcroReader51_ENU.exe 21:48 < _Lewellyn> eh. lots of people didn't even want THAT 21:48 < rxr> why is the window not redrawn when this explorer thing stalls on a ftp source ? 21:48 < _Lewellyn> "people should be happy that it ships with ftp and telnet!" 21:48 < rxr> resize not possible either ... 21:48 < rxr> strange multi tasking ... 21:49 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFEF95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:49 < _Lewellyn> ie freezes when there is blocking i/o 21:49 < morfoh> hello + 21:49 < _Lewellyn> re morfoh 21:49 < morfoh> hi _Lewellyn 21:49 < rxr> but it seems this new version at least is able to brose .zip by itself ... 21:49 < rxr> or is this due to I already downloaded 7-zip ? 21:51 < mnemoc> xp has native zip support 21:51 < _Lewellyn> are you in an explorer window or 7zfn? 21:51 < morfoh> hello mnemoc 21:52 < _Lewellyn> zp has native "slightly broken" zip support. 21:52 < rxr> what the heck 21:52 < _Lewellyn> apple copies that :( 21:52 * SerWou wondering what t2 guys are talking about 21:52 < rxr> I select files in a zip 21:52 < SerWou> ;) 21:52 < rxr> go out of the zip and right click - and where the hell got paste ? 21:53 < rxr> and why do I have to click on turn off to reboot ? 21:53 < rxr> hm - leaving the window open worked to copy paste zip content ... 21:54 < morfoh> rxr: btw, nice article you wrote 21:54 < rxr> windows is to strange for me - stops working randomly - non inuitive - few stuff works by default ... 21:54 < rxr> overal score: 4- or so .. 21:54 < SerWou> lol rxr 21:54 < rxr> in the usual 1-6 range ... 21:55 < rxr> SerWou: hey - ti does not even open pdf .... 21:55 < rxr> arggggggggggh 21:55 < mnemoc> rxr: use acroread 21:55 < rxr> damn buble telling me my computer is at risk - click 21:55 < SerWou> stop talk about bac things in the chat plz ;) 21:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't want to - ,-) I just need an i/o log ... 21:55 < SerWou> ha, it's XP SP2 ? 21:56 < rxr> I already wasted too much time tinkering with my self-destructed win98 ... 21:56 < rxr> that I usual use to log driver io ...o 21:56 < rxr> SerWou: yes ... 21:56 < rxr> I grabbed the latest greated from the uni academic service thing .. 21:56 < SerWou> unactive the crappy firewall/net security services 21:57 < rxr> what ? 21:57 < rxr> it is not even able to open a README withotu some "what to use" dialog ? 21:57 < rxr> SerWou: nah - the disk gets back into my RAID 5 array when I grabbed the i/o hbits ... 21:57 < SerWou> if you want to stop the bulble 22:00 < rxr> SerWou: I hope I do not have to reboot too often anymore 22:00 < rxr> SerWou: but thanks ,-) 22:00 < SerWou> please, i'm trying to forget win ;) 22:00 < SerWou> by the way, i'm a linux newbie, BUT gonna try to make my own customized t2 soon ;) 22:02 < mnemoc> SerWou: there is no 'customized t2', there are personal distributions built and maintained using T2 22:03 < SerWou> true 22:03 < SerWou> it was in oposition of templates in fact 22:03 < mnemoc> i think we should move 'template' code to generic target 22:04 < mnemoc> applying any of those templates to other targets is harmful 22:11 < rxr> ehrm?!?! 22:11 < rxr> Dialog: 22:11 < rxr> Title: FTP folder error 22:12 < rxr> Message: An error occured while coping the file to the server. Make seru you have permissoins to put the file on the server. 22:12 < rxr> Details: The file is in use by another process 22:12 < rxr> ? 22:12 < rxr> hey - it is a local windows issue and it tells me that I can not write into my ftp server ?!?!? 22:13 < rxr> guess the error path is a bit messed up ... 22:13 < mnemoc> set your 'explorer' to not show does stupid 'friendly errors' 22:13 < mnemoc> options -> advanced iirc 22:13 < rxr> yadda yadda ... 22:14 < rxr> the disk soon joins the RAID array and will be a happy spare disk again ... 22:14 < rxr> spare? sparse ... 22:14 < rxr> well you know what I mean ,-) 22:16 < minto> ooo is just like windows very advanced stuff. They even have 6 different string wrappers. 22:16 < minto> http://ooo.ximian.com/hackers-guide.html#section-2 see paragraph 5.6 22:16 < rxr> .oO 22:17 < rxr> oh - win-xp cmd has doskey by default 22:18 * rxr impressed 22:19 < minto> I hope I won't have ooo nightmares. 22:19 < minto> gn8 all 22:22 < rxr> n8 minto 22:28 < _Lewellyn> sleep well minto 22:29 < morfoh> good night minto 22:30 < mnemoc> sorry minto 22:31 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:32 < rxr> hm - my (usb) keyboard does not awake winxp from standby - but a button on my usb mice ? 22:32 < rxr> how insane is that ... 22:32 < _Lewellyn> hit the spacebar 22:32 < _Lewellyn> :) 22:32 < rxr> I tried 22:32 < rxr> I can retry 22:32 < mnemoc> the worse part of winXP are the 'accessibility' features 22:33 < mnemoc> press your shift during 4 secs and die 22:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: ;) 22:33 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: they weren't so bad in pre-win2k versions of windows; you could at least shut them up and turn them on'off at YOUR will... 22:33 < rxr> no - space is no go ... 22:33 < rxr> enter neither 22:34 < rxr> slamming my hand on all keys not as well .. 22:34 < morfoh> ALT-F4 22:34 < rxr> hm - even moving the mice is enough it seems ... 22:34 < _Lewellyn> heh. my logitech kb, i just hit space. 22:34 < _Lewellyn> of course, i sleep it with the moon button on the kb 22:34 < rxr> my mice wakes it ... 22:34 < rxr> ok - let my press shift for 4s 22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: are you downloading iso-s from here? 22:35 < rxr> hm- shift does nothing 22:35 < rxr> nope - minimal finished 22:35 < mnemoc> press it until to listen a 'poink' or something like that 22:35 < rxr> I curl the desktop 22:40 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ 22:40 < mnemoc> .oO( how can i create the torrents now? ) 22:44 * _Lewellyn is not a bt freak :) 22:44 * rxr neither 22:46 < morfoh> rxr btw....t2 livecd booted on a industrial workstation today 22:46 < _Lewellyn> define "industrial workstation" :) 22:53 < rxr> morfoh: specs to add ? 22:53 * rxr evening lunch ... 22:53 < rxr> my moshrooms and co ... 22:53 < _Lewellyn> mmm 22:54 -!- keinek [~keinek@201.254.15.10] has joined #t2 22:54 < keinek> hi 22:56 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ 22:56 < morfoh> so I'll do a walk now ... cu later 22:56 < mnemoc> head up morfoh 22:56 < morfoh> pfff ... 22:57 < morfoh> but anyway thanks ... mnemoc :) 22:57 < mnemoc> :( 23:00 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.217.238.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 23:00 < sepp> hello 23:15 < rxr> hi SerWou 23:16 < rxr> hi sepp even 23:16 [Users #t2] 23:16 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ Postal] [ SerWou ] 23:16 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ keinek] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 23:16 [ CIA-10 ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] 23:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 23:16 * rxr shower .. 23:16 < sepp> hi rxr 23:23 < rxr> re 23:25 < sepp> i made a pkg for rt2500 wifi drivers, 2.4 support is broken - should i waste time to fix it or will 2.2 have no linux24 support at all? 23:26 < _Lewellyn> why would people want linux24 at this point? 23:27 < rxr> sepp: no 2.4 support is fine for trunk 23:27 < rxr> we might indeed drop 2.4 in trunk for 2.2 ... 23:27 < _Lewellyn> and if they know that they do, aren't they capable of compiling it themselves? 23:27 < sepp> good ;) 23:29 < sepp> i pateched it to compile but if there is no need for linux24 i wont look at the broken irq code :) 23:59 < rxr> windows stinks ... - I need to open a window ... --- Log closed Fri Jun 17 00:00:00 2005