--- Log opened Sun Jun 12 00:00:26 2005 --- Day changed Sun Jun 12 2005 00:00 < mnemoc> Mishnah has _lot_ of 'complementary' rabbinic texts 00:00 < valentin> talmud is the ancestor of wiki 00:00 < valentin> or better internet forum 00:01 < valentin> somebody writes sth down and everybody comments 00:01 < valentin> and so on 00:01 < mnemoc> yep 00:01 < mnemoc> but 'everybody' of a highly limited set of people 00:02 < valentin> how many people have access to the internet (compared to the number of people in the world) ? 00:02 < sepp> 6% ? 00:02 < mnemoc> far more than on that time 00:04 < sepp> but could they all write? 00:06 < mnemoc> nah.. discuss 00:06 < mnemoc> brainstorming 00:07 < mnemoc> but people discussing here and people discussing there get different conclusions, most of them finish written 00:08 < valentin> this is interessting, because it is something like "open religion" 00:08 < mnemoc> conservative but esoteric then, open. 00:09 < sepp> but if it was so i really wonder who "brainstormed" ezechiel 00:09 < mnemoc> no no 00:09 < mnemoc> misna and talmud are different 00:09 < valentin> and it is not about the "holy" writings, it is about their interpretation 00:10 < mnemoc> the book we call bible is just and approved selection of 'holy texts' 00:11 < valentin> sepp: all prophets read drugged 00:11 < sepp> but this selection was also brainstormed? 00:12 < mnemoc> the intersting part is on the 4000 years of interpreations 00:12 < mnemoc> sepp: the texts are aproved or rejected, never altered. 00:12 < sepp> but this is not like wikiwiki :) 00:13 < mnemoc> sepp: only non-problematic texts are available to 'un-trained' people 00:13 < mnemoc> the bible is not 00:13 < mnemoc> vulgata is a selection for unprepared people 00:13 < mnemoc> of middle age :) 00:15 < sepp> maybe i dont get the point right now 00:15 < valentin> i thought the very special thing about vulgata was the (sometimes very free) translation into latin 00:15 < mnemoc> sure 00:16 < mnemoc> i just metion the 'target audience' it had 00:16 < valentin> priests ? 00:16 < valentin> i do not think normal people could even read 00:17 < mnemoc> they listen 00:17 < valentin> ah - ok 00:18 < mnemoc> it's impresive to see (on tv) etiopic prists reading their bible to their people 00:19 < mnemoc> they are choosed and trained for many many many years, and they live walking the reading their canon in public, and easting just charity 00:21 < sepp> anyway i would like to know if you like the bg thing (with an other logo - later) 00:21 < mnemoc> sepp: i like your display :) 00:22 < mnemoc> sepp: only 1024x768 here 00:22 < sepp> maybe i looked too much to the stars lately 00:24 < mnemoc> :) 00:24 < mnemoc> i like it 00:25 < valentin> stars are quite okay 00:26 < valentin> but you composed two bitmaps, right ? 00:26 < sepp> good i can scale it to any resolution without artefacts 00:26 < sepp> no 00:26 < valentin> the nebula looks much smoother than the bright stars 00:27 < sepp> yes it is only a idea 00:28 < mnemoc> sepp: what do you use to compose that images? 00:30 < sepp> jahshaka 00:30 < sepp> and some scripts to generate clouds and stars 00:31 < mnemoc> will you package it? 00:32 < sepp> jahshaka? 00:32 < mnemoc> yep 00:32 < mnemoc> http://www.jahshaka.org/ <-- looks nice 00:33 < sepp> yes this one :) 00:33 < sepp> ok 00:33 < [lewellyn]> hm. does t2 have an equivilent to /bin/nologin? 00:34 < valentin> /bin/false 00:34 < [lewellyn]> if not, i'd like to suggest one and (once i get t2 set up... grrr...), i will package it :) 00:34 < sepp> false 00:34 < [lewellyn]> false is a not very useful nologin shell :( 00:35 < [lewellyn]> http://www.cymru.com/Tools/nocando-1.4.tar.gz 00:35 < [lewellyn]> i prefer that one, myself... 00:37 < mnemoc> what do you expect from a nologin shell? 00:42 < [lewellyn]> how much flood can i paste? 00:43 < mnemoc> 5-6 lines? 00:43 < [lewellyn]> Hello mjl, 00:43 < [lewellyn]> You are not authorized to connect to tuffet. 00:43 < [lewellyn]> Please contact System Administration. Thank you. 00:43 < [lewellyn]> and then in syslog: 00:43 < [lewellyn]> Jun 11 15:42:39 tuffet nocando[7904]: login attempt by mjl 00:43 < [lewellyn]> that last bit is the most useful, imo 00:44 < mnemoc> :) 00:44 < mnemoc> package it 00:46 < [lewellyn]> ok. i need a working t2 system first. 00:46 < valentin> [lewellyn]: nologin shells are normaly used for daemons, and talking to a daemon is not very usefull in general 00:46 < [lewellyn]> that's what has stagnated me giving you a real ksh pacakge :) 00:46 < [lewellyn]> valentin: all the more reason to be notified if someone manages to login as said user. 00:47 < mnemoc> package it, and set your target to use nocando instead of false on /etc/passwd :) 00:47 < [lewellyn]> if someone manages to get throught the login prompt as the apache user, you probably want to know asap :) 00:48 < [lewellyn]> mnemoc: i'll probably have to ask for help with that when the time comes 00:48 < [lewellyn]> (hopefully very soon now) 00:48 < mnemoc> i hope :) 00:51 < sepp> lol now i remember why i have not made a jahshaka pkg - it has no make install and i was to lazy to find out what it should do 00:51 < [lewellyn]> i'm going to raid the sysadmin's cabling looking for a null modem in a bit 01:00 < valentin> think i will go to sleep now 01:00 < valentin> gn8 01:01 < [lewellyn]> sleep well 01:01 < valentin> thank you 01:02 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 01:04 < sepp> good night 01:05 < mnemoc> rxr: rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/ or http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/ 01:59 < sepp> good night * - i need to sleep 02:53 < CIA-7> amery * r9637 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (1.9-m104 -> 1.9-m108) 04:47 < [lewellyn]> yay. got the live cd to boot! 04:48 < [lewellyn]> now... i wonder if the cd-rom is accessible if the machine didn't boot from it. 04:51 < mnemoc> what did you do? 04:52 -!- lewellyn [~mjl@198.144.200.131] has joined #t2 04:55 < lewellyn> um. what console irc clients are on the live cd? 04:55 < mnemoc> no idea 04:55 < mnemoc> irssi? 04:56 < lewellyn> nope. nor ircii nor bitchx. 04:56 < mnemoc> :( 04:58 -!- lewellyn- [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 04:58 < lewellyn-> so ksirc it is. :/ 04:58 < mnemoc> kopote? :) 04:58 < lewellyn-> that claims to be an instant messenger. 05:03 -!- lewellyn- [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 05:04 -!- lewellyn- [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 05:04 < lewellyn-> bah :( 05:04 * lewellyn- does not like having 2 windows open to be in one channel. 05:04 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFCE0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:08 < lewellyn-> so, how come ooo isn't in the kde menu? 05:08 < lewellyn-> i started it by hand, and it seems to work. 05:14 < mnemoc> :) 05:14 < mnemoc> ooo has been a torture 05:15 < lewellyn-> it's kind of sad that it's been a torture and users can't see the labor of love's result :( 05:15 < mnemoc> i have to migrate xmlhelp and context2 to bdb-java-api 4.3, to build that damn package against java 05:15 < mnemoc> users never see the labor :( 05:15 < mnemoc> our label* 05:15 < lewellyn-> they don't see the result either :( 05:16 < mnemoc> :p 05:16 < lewellyn-> gar. i can't get an nfs share to mount :( 05:16 < lewellyn-> nor can i figure out the kde network folder thinger to get to it via smb 05:17 < mnemoc> lewellyn: be sure you have portmapper running 05:17 < lewellyn-> even for smb? 05:18 < mnemoc> .oO( does livecd has smb support? )o 05:18 < mnemoc> nfs 05:18 < lewellyn-> well, it has KNetAttach 05:18 < mnemoc> gar. i can't get an nfs share to mount :( <--- don't forget portmapper 05:18 < lewellyn-> i'd expect smb to not require the portmapper, though. 05:18 < mnemoc> you need to be linked to libsmbclient to support smb 05:18 < lewellyn-> i'm waiting for a shell to free up so i can check if portmapper is running 05:19 < lewellyn-> bah. i don't see much in the way of services :( 05:20 < lewellyn-> woohoo! it mounted anyway! 05:20 < lewellyn-> (after about 5 minutes) 05:20 < mnemoc> that happens when portmap is not running 05:20 < mnemoc> write a mail for rene 05:20 < lewellyn-> host:/vol/share on /mnt/share type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.X.X,addr=192.168.X.X) 05:21 < lewellyn-> i'm more concerned about the lack of nfs than the nfs 05:21 < lewellyn-> lack of smb, rather 05:21 < mnemoc> write a report 05:21 < mnemoc> i think he haven't think about the posibility of someone needing smb:// 05:21 < lewellyn-> it's going to be pretty negative sounding, i'm afraid :( 05:22 < lewellyn-> well, i only tried smb because there was an app for it. 05:22 < mnemoc> 'normal' people use smb:// and nfs 05:22 < mnemoc> he doesn't :p 05:23 < lewellyn-> i rarely use smb outside vmware :) 05:23 < mnemoc> he is more worried about hardware detection and cute installers 05:23 < mnemoc> :) 05:23 < lewellyn-> i have complaints about the devices on the desktop too :) 05:23 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 05:24 < lewellyn-> hoi sparc-kly 05:24 < sparc-kly> hi lewellyn- 05:24 < mnemoc> lewellyn-: give feedback, and in case of devices attach lspci info 05:25 < lewellyn-> i'm still poking around :) 05:25 < lewellyn-> once i've made progress on that, i can start writing 05:26 < lewellyn-> btw, on the plus side, ooo seems to read ms word docs MUCH better than whatever version i'm currently running 05:26 < lewellyn-> no more grey boxes randomly on the page :) 05:26 < lewellyn-> strike that. 2 of them, but they're acceptable. 05:26 < mnemoc> :D 05:26 < lewellyn-> it also isn't turning a 2 page document into a 7 page document :) 05:27 < lewellyn-> oh. wait. it did on one of them :( 05:28 < lewellyn-> it's still far more attractive and useable :) 05:28 * lewellyn- greatly appreciates the efforts on that front 05:29 -!- lewellyn [~mjl@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Virca 1.1.20"] 05:29 < mnemoc> == 21:08:32 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m108 2.1.0-rc2]. <-- 2:20h ago 05:29 < lewellyn-> woo :) 05:30 < mnemoc> 5 to come :) 05:30 < mnemoc> if it builds 05:30 < lewellyn-> let us cross our fingers 05:31 < mnemoc> 265 builds total, 177 completed fine, 0 with errors. <-- minimal desktop 05:31 < lewellyn-> yes, your minimal disc booted fine... it was just... minimal :) 05:32 < lewellyn-> is anyone working on building a 64-bit 2.1 cd come final? 05:32 < lewellyn-> (i'm only pseudo-volunteering at this point :) ) 05:32 < mnemoc> no hardware available 05:34 < lewellyn-> this is an em64t machine :) 05:34 < lewellyn-> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz 05:34 < lewellyn-> stepping : 3 05:34 < lewellyn-> cpu MHz : 3193.224 05:34 < lewellyn-> cache size : 2048 KB 05:34 < lewellyn-> i will tentatively volunteer :) 05:35 < lewellyn-> so, livecd testing... what am i supposed to test? :) 05:35 < lewellyn-> i.e. how do i find out if my video driver is accelerated? 05:36 < mnemoc> running a game i guess 05:39 < lewellyn-> any suggestions? :) i don't see any on the disc 05:39 < mnemoc> no idea :p 05:39 < mnemoc> last game i played was starcraft 05:39 < lewellyn-> bash: nethack: command not found 05:39 < lewellyn-> :( 05:41 < lewellyn-> gah. i hate kde :( 05:41 < lewellyn-> i can't use xmms because something else is apparently using the soundcard 05:42 < lewellyn-> that something is artsd :( 05:43 < lewellyn-> there. quick killing and hitting play got xmms to go. 05:43 < lewellyn-> unfortunately, no audio. this is not good :( 05:45 < mnemoc> :( 05:47 < lewellyn-> linux audio is always bad for me :( 05:49 < lewellyn-> also, the net configurator thinger is not included yet, right? 05:49 * lewellyn- didn't see it, so wants to be sure it's not supposed to be there yet 05:51 < mnemoc> iirc knetconf is included 05:54 < lewellyn-> not that i can find :/ 05:55 < mnemoc> :( 05:55 < lewellyn-> aha 05:55 < lewellyn-> it's netconf 05:56 * lewellyn- adds a note to his list that netconf should probably run just after the normal kde configuration somehow. 06:00 < lewellyn-> hm. is this a valid /etc/conf/network? 06:00 < lewellyn-> interface eth0(default) 06:00 < lewellyn-> dhcp 06:02 < mnemoc> yes 06:03 < lewellyn-> ok. :) 06:04 < lewellyn-> what is useful for my report besides the output of lspci and lsmod? 06:04 < lewellyn-> and dmesg 06:05 < mnemoc> just that i think 06:05 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.47] has joined #t2 06:05 < keinek> hi 06:05 < mnemoc> hi keinek 06:05 < keinek> hi mnemoc 06:06 * lewellyn- hopes that most of his complaints are trivial to address :( 06:07 < mnemoc> same do i 06:12 < lewellyn-> i am having no luck with any of the disk icons on the desktop. :( 06:12 < lewellyn-> i'm about to try some more exotic devices in hopes that they work better than cd-roms and hard disks and floppy disks :( 06:13 < mnemoc> :| 06:14 < keinek> t2 t2 t2, la li la la li la laaaaaaaa. 06:14 < keinek> sorry 06:14 < keinek> :( 06:14 < mnemoc> ? 06:15 < keinek> i put some music to t2 06:15 < keinek> :) 06:18 < lewellyn-> heh 06:19 < lewellyn-> bah. i have only managed to fill 6 of my usb ports. i am one usb cable shy of 7 and forgot a hard disk or they'd all be full 06:19 * lewellyn- stress tests this live cd :) 06:36 * lewellyn- adds lsusb output :) 06:36 < lewellyn-> and lsdev 06:39 < mnemoc> :) 06:39 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep 06:39 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow 06:39 < lewellyn-> sleep well 06:39 < lewellyn-> i'll email rene as soon as i'm done here :) 06:39 < mnemoc> :) 06:39 < mnemoc> gn8 * 06:55 < lewellyn-> on the plus side, it looks like all the nvidia crap loaded fine :) 07:15 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.47] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:16 < lewellyn-> hm. 07:16 < lewellyn-> rxr: you awake? 07:28 * lewellyn- needs an email address for rxr 08:02 * [lewellyn] knows that he has it in a log in his other client. but he can't stay connected to it :( 09:09 < rxr> dddre 09:09 < rxr> re 09:10 < rxr> rene@exactcode.de 09:10 < [lewellyn]> morning :) 09:10 * [lewellyn] hands rxr some caffeine 09:10 < [lewellyn]> sent. 09:11 < [lewellyn]> i couldn't think of anything else to include to help you out with whether my machine was actually fully supported. :) 09:11 < [lewellyn]> the automounting of volumes onto the kde desktop is a t2 thing, correct? 09:13 < rxr> not really - just a smooth d-bus / hal integration 09:13 < rxr> though the hal config was tweaked as welll 09:15 < [lewellyn]> hm. i had many issues with the desktop icons :( 09:15 < rxr> ouhm 09:16 < rxr> ok /me taking breakfast and then I drive home to take a look ,-) 09:16 < [lewellyn]> i did not know where to start debugging those things, so i did not even attempt. 09:16 < [lewellyn]> and enjoy your breakfast. 09:16 < [lewellyn]> i just wanted to actually give you the results from my machine finally :) 09:53 < SerWou> hello 10:00 < [lewellyn]> morning 10:47 < rxr> re 10:47 < [lewellyn]> how was breakfast? 10:47 < rxr> hehe ,-) 10:48 < rxr> since it was with susan, nice ,-) Just that we had not too many food at her flat and I had to taste if the coffee machine that came out of repair produces drinkable coffee again - which it does not ... :-( 10:48 < [lewellyn]> undrinkable coffee-- 10:50 < rxr> yeah - tasts like oxidize metal in the "coffee" 10:52 < rxr> it's one of those Philips Senseo models: 10:52 < rxr> http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/philips_senseo.htm 10:53 < rxr> in the beginning the coffee was quite lovely - first the machine had a defect and leaked water out from time to time - and now the coffee tasts like some mixture of the coffee, oxidized metal and other ingredients that do not taste too good ... 10:54 < [lewellyn]> ew 10:54 < [lewellyn]> at least it still resembles coffee 10:54 < [lewellyn]> and it surely must be better than starbucks 10:55 < [lewellyn]> ah. i've seen those at the grocery store for like $20. 10:55 < [lewellyn]> i knew they had to be too good to be true 11:05 < valentin> moin 11:06 < [lewellyn]> morning valentin :) 11:06 < valentin> moin [lewellyn], don't forget to sleep 11:06 < [lewellyn]> it's only 0200 11:06 < [lewellyn]> http://hateatron.com/hate.php?topic=5662&count=4 11:07 < rxr> hi valentin 11:07 < valentin> hi rxr 11:08 < valentin> [lewellyn]: what is this forum ? 11:08 < [lewellyn]> bizarre... 11:08 < [lewellyn]> i cannot explain the -atron trend 11:08 < [lewellyn]> i thought it had died, but apparently not 11:09 < rxr> valentin: tried Naturally Speaking on Susan's windows98 insatll yesterday 11:09 < rxr> I have to admit the accurancy is even higher 11:11 < rxr> the verion also ships with english - but somehow the recognition engine really dislikes my english - the training in german is smooth - but the english training is a pain in the ass - the software often fails to recognize the simles wors including "the" "a" "where" and whatever and I hat to repeat some sentences or even wors over 30 times until the software accepted it ... 11:12 < valentin> :( 11:12 < rxr> however dictating english after the trainging was mostly ok, too. Especially after some paragraphs where I corrected the many wrong words 11:33 < valentin> *breakfast* 11:36 < [lewellyn]> hm. breakfast... 11:36 < [lewellyn]> too bad i can't easily get breakfast for another 4 hours :( 11:38 < rxr> installing software in wine on a 4 disk RAID 5 volume under wine kinda rocks ... 11:39 < rxr> way faster than on windows ... (though no raid5 there ,-) 11:39 < rxr> just that some software is really kinda touchy and some does not really wanna work at all. ... 11:40 < rxr> and the tar snapshot facility of Unix (tar cvfz wine-snap-`data`.tar.gz .wine c) does also reduce maintenance and backup costs ... 11:47 < valentin> [lewellyn]: i will eat some sandwitches for you 11:47 < valentin> any preferences ? 11:48 < [lewellyn]> um. 11:48 < [lewellyn]> good ones! ;) 12:12 < rxr> ouhm - our grave ncurses hack patch applied in stage3 and up breaks on sparc ... 12:17 < valentin> rxr: what ignore props did you set ? 12:19 < rxr> *.d *.a 12:20 < rxr> svn pl and svn pg are your friends 12:20 < rxr> valentin: what should I do on netconf? 12:20 < rxr> can I thow the next version into the live cd ? 12:20 < rxr> ro anything to be done / tested ? 12:20 < rxr> does it utilize serpnp these days ? 12:20 < valentin> serpnp: yes 12:21 < valentin> but i did not test it on a serpnp-enabled device 12:21 < valentin> it would be nice if you fix the ä's 12:21 < rxr> serpnp is new thru te new helper ? 12:21 < valentin> and set the background of the small wlan icon to transparent 12:21 < rxr> oh: 12:21 < rxr> Committed revision 256. 12:22 < valentin> serpnp was there since thu or so 12:22 < valentin> fix the auml's and the icon 12:22 < rxr> but direct call or what ? 12:23 < rxr> since it never worked on my side ... 12:23 < valentin> nope 12:23 < valentin> did you test it ? 12:23 < valentin> your cellphone cannot do serpnp 12:23 < rxr> I know 12:23 < rxr> but the else 12:23 < rxr> elsa 12:23 < valentin> i am quite sure you told me it is recognized 12:24 < valentin> mom 12:24 < valentin> std::string cmd = "sudo /sbin/netconf-copy.sh serpnp " + dev.dev; 12:25 < valentin> what does this call tell you for dev.dev=/dev/tts/ ? 12:25 < valentin> the other thing is the device detection which is not performed through the helper yet 12:25 < rxr> didn't you want to rename the helper ? 12:26 < valentin> not yet 12:26 < valentin> i can do it in a minute 12:27 < rxr> would make sense to have the final name on the first official live cd ... 12:27 < valentin> i also "hack" device info into there 12:27 < valentin> and ifup ifdown 12:27 < valentin> final name ? 12:27 < rxr> netconf-helper instead of -copy 12:27 < valentin> ah 12:27 < valentin> ok, i commit in a minute 12:27 < valentin> rxr: i want to do ifup/ifdown through this helper, too 12:27 < valentin> then one does not need so many sudoers rules 12:28 < valentin> if you agree 12:31 < rxr> yes - of course 12:31 < rxr> $ sudo /sbin/netconf-copy.sh serpnp /dev/tts/0 12:31 < rxr> MicroLink 56k 12:32 < valentin> hm, and it does not show up in the gui ? 12:32 < rxr> hm - when do you do the serpnp scan 12:32 < rxr> on startup the description is not in the gui - only when I click scan serial devices IIRC 12:32 < valentin> on startup and each time you hit 'rescan for serial devices' in the menu 12:32 < valentin> can you veryfy that ? 12:32 < rxr> hm - ok - maybe I was confused 12:33 < rxr> valentin: what do you think to try to license the naturally speaking engine and sell voice recognition enabled Desktop Linux ? 12:35 < valentin> how much will that license cost ? 12:35 < rxr> no idea - I was just thinking aloud 12:36 < rxr> I know a swiss company does license a OCR engine for their document scan software 12:36 < rxr> and he was quite satisfied - thus it can not be too much 12:37 < rxr> and the OCR product and Naturally Speaking are about the same retail price 12:45 < valentin> rxr: at head you have netconf-helper.sh 12:45 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.220.196.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:45 < valentin> and you only need a sudoers rule for that 12:45 < valentin> now it detects my network-card device, too 12:48 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.218.181.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 12:53 < valentin> do you want to solder the iso together now ? 12:54 < rxr> yeah - some time soon - why do you ask ? 12:54 < valentin> tell me, because i'll de-activate some half-finished code before (if not ready up to that point) 12:55 < [lewellyn]> rxr: nothing i raised is too terribly difficult, i hope? i tried to poke at it as a user would. :/ 12:55 < valentin> it would be nice, if you fixed the translation file before 12:55 < valentin> and the transparency 13:03 < rxr> valentin: do I need to scroll back for the de/ changes ? 13:03 < valentin> generaly search for all ä's 13:04 < valentin> because the once i inserted do not yield a warning from the gmo compiler 13:04 < rxr> ? 13:04 < rxr> nach neuen Seriellen Modems suchen 13:04 < rxr> shouldn't serial be lower case ? 13:05 < valentin> well, edit it :) 13:05 < rxr> "blabla\n" 13:05 < rxr> to be removed? 13:08 < valentin> oh - no, to be translated 13:08 < valentin> i forgot to edid that one after my first test 13:08 < rxr> ok - second 13:08 < valentin> at head you have profile switching through the tray menu 13:08 < rxr> I'm nearly thru with umlaut and typo fixup 13:08 < valentin> it does not yet look that way i want it to look, but that is ok now as long as it works 13:09 < valentin> let me test some minutes before merging it 13:09 < rxr> please look if all in r261 is fine 13:09 < valentin> ok 13:09 < valentin> mom - do not svn up yet 13:09 < valentin> i just fixed a small issue 13:13 < valentin> hm, why don't it switch yet ... 13:13 < valentin> if the window is hidden 13:14 < rxr> btw with susans on-board soundcard one also does not get device notes since the kernel side does not recognize the card ... 13:14 < rxr> quite strange that we have this isseu - I never saw it before 13:19 < valentin> must be some alsa bug 13:20 < valentin> hm, in general activating an interface while another is active does not work anymore 13:20 < valentin> i wonder what i have done 13:20 < valentin> need to investigate that 13:27 < valentin> svn up to r265 13:29 < valentin> rxr: there is just one more thing i want to take a short look at 13:43 < rxr> looking into why wine fails to run Naturally Speaking 7 or 8? 13:45 < rxr> did I mention I want to have speeh recognition ? 13:45 < valentin> more than once 13:45 < valentin> ok, you can take head 13:45 < valentin> i think we can put it on the livecd 13:46 < valentin> so some people will test it in working environment 13:46 < rxr> brrr - getting cold - I think I make a fresh tea and place a candle wit the tea here in my work-room ... 13:46 < valentin> turn on your U30 13:46 < rxr> 13?C ... 13:46 < rxr> there are already a RS6k, a U5 and the Athlon running ... 13:47 < rxr> I could turn the music louder to heat the amplifier ... 13:48 < rxr> of course a working voice recognition would put some more load on the Athlon .... 13:49 < rxr> or I use vmware to install the Win2k academic version just to burn CPU cycles ... *g* 13:56 < valentin> i guess normal heating will be cheaper 13:59 < rxr> but the later gives me loud music ,-) 13:59 < rxr> I find it quite strange to turn the heating on in the /summer/ I guess I rather go for a fresh tea with candle ... 14:03 < rxr> the ncurses Makefile generation is a b0rked mess - my oh my ... 14:03 < rxr> drug consume should indeed hunted way more ... 14:04 < rxr> I can't even imagine what drugs that must be to construct such an overly b0rked crap ... 14:09 < rxr> and the poor aging U5 needs to compile run this broken auto* / tinkered awk mess to generate the ncurses Mafiles again and again ... 14:09 < rxr> if I would be that poor CPU I would long have self powered down ... 14:11 < rxr> ok - the Makefile looks better now - /me pressing the thumbs in the hope the ncurses*.so install without an issue now -) 14:11 < rxr> unfortunatly the tiny SPARC will need some mintues++ to compile the code .. 14:17 < rxr> valentin: did I paste the gnome puzzle grub slpash screen? 14:17 < rxr> I do not find the size anymore where I grabbed it from .-(((((((((( 14:21 < valentin> which size ? 14:21 < valentin> site ? 14:21 < valentin> no idea 14:30 < rxr> ouhm - ncurses still building ... 14:30 < rxr> == 12:06:14 =[3]=> Building base/ncurses [5.4 2.2.0-alpha]. 14:45 < rxr> ouhm - still ... 14:45 * rxr kicks the U5 ... 14:47 < valentin> overclock it - maybe this will also heat your room 14:48 < valentin> sure your build progresses ? or is it just stuck in an infinite makefile loop ? 14:53 < rxr> == 06/12/05 12:51:35 =[3]=> Finished building package ncurses. 14:53 < rxr> ... 14:53 < rxr> grummel ... 14:57 < CIA-7> rene * r9639 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/ (3 files): 14:57 < CIA-7> * replaced a grave hack in the ncurses build, that breaks on sparc, 14:57 < CIA-7> with patching the real place where the broken Makefile is generated 15:01 < rxr> valentin: ? 15:02 < rxr> I need your opinion 15:03 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub.png 15:07 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub2.png 15:18 < valentin> i like the fact that it is black/grey/white only 15:18 < valentin> and thus no dithered colors 15:19 < valentin> and it has no logo yet, which is good (as long as we have no official one) 15:19 < valentin> i would take it for the magazine cd 15:20 < rxr> ok here is a tweaked menu color snapshot: 15:20 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub3.png 15:20 < rxr> valentin: ack ? 15:21 < valentin> where is the differece ? 15:21 < valentin> *nce 15:21 < rxr> that the menu has a visible gray background instead of the invisible black ... 15:22 < CIA-7> valentin * r9640 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf to use svn revision 266 15:22 < valentin> really ? 15:22 < rxr> ? 15:23 < valentin> ah 15:23 < valentin> yes 15:23 < valentin> hm, but the font has a strange grey shadow 15:32 < rxr> ok /me hunting lunch 15:34 < rxr> ouhm - on the U5 3-perl is _still_ building ... 15:34 < rxr> damn slow box ... 15:34 < rxr> and it already is faster than the ones we had previously ... 15:34 < rxr> @360Mhz ... and 256MB RAM ... 15:35 < rxr> my rsync location contains the update ISO with the new splash 15:35 < rxr> sent 210804 bytes received 181938 bytes 2290.04 bytes/sec 15:35 < rxr> but a new one will follow in about 1 hour 15:35 < rxr> I need food first ... 15:35 < rxr> btw. the new logo is also significantly smaller: 15:35 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 6630 Jun 12 15:05 t2.xpm.gz 15:35 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 56769 May 23 21:28 t2.xpm.gz-sepp 15:35 < rxr> ,-) 15:38 < netrunner> rxr: the only thing missing is sun switching to intel anyway. then no more multi-arch hussle :=) 15:41 < valentin> netrunner: there is much more ppc on the world than apple 15:41 < valentin> hi netrunner, btw 15:49 < rxr> ack IBM's own servers are a big deal anyway - and then Microsoft's Xbos and the Sony PS3 and so on ... 15:49 < rxr> and the big embedded world - every thrid car, ... 15:49 < rxr> and there is much more than i386 and powerpc anyway 15:49 < rxr> arm, mips, ... 15:49 < rxr> !> cp: cannot create regular file `/opt/kde3/bin/netconf': .. 15:50 < rxr> didn't I told you to use install ? 15:57 < netrunner> valentin: that was meant as a funny comment :) 16:00 * valentin *ducks* 16:03 < valentin> install or ginstall ? 16:08 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:12 < rxr> install 16:13 < rxr> ah - 3-perl finished on the sparc ... 16:15 < rxr> oh my god - RTL-DSL ?!?!?! 16:16 < rxr> http://www.rtldsl.de 16:17 < rxr> valentin: do you fix it to use install or should I? 16:17 < valentin> Die Seite kann derzeit nicht angezeigt werden 16:17 < rxr> ok - I do 16:17 < valentin> ok 16:17 < valentin> thank you 16:21 < rxr> valentin: you forgot to bump the version - you only altered the D tag ... 16:21 < valentin> damn 16:22 < valentin> seems like this is not my day... 16:22 < valentin> i have to take care for kerstin now, bbl 16:22 < rxr> cu 16:22 < valentin> if there is sth important with netconf, feel free to call 16:22 < rxr> ok 16:22 < rxr> is kerstin ill or so ? 16:23 < valentin> maybe a bit 16:23 < valentin> cu later 16:23 < rxr> ouhm 16:23 < rxr> gute besserung 16:30 < CIA-7> rene * r9641 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: 16:30 < CIA-7> * updated knetconf (r266 -> r267) - fixed installation if the binary 16:30 < CIA-7> is memory mapped (text file busy) 16:33 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.185] has joined #t2 16:33 < keinek> hi 16:34 < rxr> hi keinek 16:39 < sepp> hello all 16:39 < rxr> hey sepp ,-) 16:40 < rxr> how is your DR* don'g ? 16:41 < sepp> seems i am to dumb to fully understand all 23 layers of cemplexity 16:43 < sepp> ultra well designed chaos 16:44 < sepp> and with the worlds best debugger ... 16:44 < rxr> yeah - I can imagine 16:45 < rxr> is it crashing or jsut malfunctioning ?= 16:45 < sepp> both 16:45 < rxr> I assume you tried the latest of this via unichrome driver? 16:45 < sepp> yes 16:46 < sepp> at least i know that i'll get a notebook without unichrome 16:46 < CIA-7> rene * r9642 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config: 16:46 < CIA-7> * fixed the sparc64/32 parse-config to actually also alter arch_build 16:46 < CIA-7> so certain packages do not think they are beeing cross build ... 16:48 < sepp> are the sony notebooks really bad? 16:48 < rxr> no idea 16:48 < rxr> smp @rock often had those - was mostly ok IIRC 16:48 < sepp> i read a lot of troll comments on sony notebooks 16:49 < rxr> well, ... 16:49 < rxr> my next one might be this: 16:49 < rxr> http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/mm/20/ 16:49 < rxr> if it is still available if I have the money together 16:51 < sepp> what is 2lb in kg? 16:51 < rxr> 0.9x 16:53 < sepp> hmm seems nice but only 20gb 16:53 < sepp> 20 marketing gb 16:54 < rxr> it will also not be too high performance due to Transmeta Efficeon ,-) 16:55 < sepp> that is no problem for me - i dont want a 5kg notebook with 64bit desktop cpu 16:56 < sepp> that you can not mount on your knee 16:56 < rxr> yep - me neither even the first brought for long battery life and such 14" iBook is too heavy for my taste today 16:56 < rxr> the next mobile device will be such a sub-notebook with 10" screen and below 1kg ... 16:57 < rxr> I hope this sharp actus will be around a bit longer - importing from the us should be not too much of a problem for me ... 16:57 < rxr> since susans's stepmother is from the US, ,-) 16:58 < sepp> i was at saturn yesterday but they mostly have hand barrow notebooks 16:58 < rxr> hand borrow? 16:58 < sepp> schubkarre 16:58 < rxr> hehe ,-) 16:58 < rxr> I can imagine 16:59 < sepp> brick design and 3+kg 16:59 < rxr> REG. PRICE: $1,399.00 PRICE: $1,199.00 16:59 < rxr> hm ,-) 16:59 < rxr> ok - + taxes 17:01 < sepp> and you still have to pay ms tax :'( 17:04 < sepp> i still have this interesting book from the last notebook - 1st half is the win98 book 2nd win95 17:06 < sepp> "Willkommen beim Betriebssystem M$ Windows 98. Jetzt macht das Arbeiten in Windows noch mehr Spass..." 17:06 < sepp> lol 17:15 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178162025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:15 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:15 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 17:15 [Users #t2] 17:15 [ [lewellyn]] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 17:15 [ _Lewellyn ] [ keinek ] [ netrunner] [ sepp ] 17:15 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ lewellyn-] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] 17:15 [ CIA-7 ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 17:15 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 17:15 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:15 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:15 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 17:19 < rxr_> valentin: maybe we should seed T2 Live CDs with the name Apple 10.4 x86 into various P2Ps ? 17:20 < sepp> lol 17:20 < rxr_> yeah - I'm evil ... 17:20 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:20 < sepp> like the music mafia is uploading silly encoded mp3 ? 17:21 < rxr_> with the baghira some people might not even notice ... 17:21 < minto> Hi guys 17:21 < rxr_> hey minto ! 17:21 < minto> hi rxr, just got back from vacation. 17:21 < rxr_> hope it was relaxing ,-)? 17:22 < minto> Yes it was. 17:22 < minto> Seems like t2 is doing well, I see lots of new names. 17:23 < sepp> hi minto 17:23 < minto> hi sepp 17:24 -!- rxr [rene@e178157233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:27 < rxr_> minto: yep - it seems T2 PR is progressing ,-) 17:50 < rxr_> ok - most probably golden master live cd squashing the FS ... 17:52 < sepp> what is the german it mag. ? 17:52 < rxr_> L i n ux in t ern and P C L i n ux 17:53 < rxr_> and hopefully all the others when they see how smooth it is ,-) 17:55 < valentin> re 17:56 < rxr_> valentin: is it possible your netconf windows flickers shortly before it hides again when run with --silent ? 17:57 < valentin> ouhm - never noticed that 17:57 < valentin> another instance running before ? 18:04 < minto> rxr: is beta3 the last available live cd version? 18:04 < minto> if not, where can I find the last version? 18:05 < minto> I wanna give it a try, r15 worked on my thinkpad. But unfortunately without sound. 18:06 < rxr_> minto: there will be -beta4 today 18:06 < minto> Oehh, nice 18:06 < rxr_> minto: ALSA seems to have a stange bug in the version / combination the live cd ships - -beta* will not likely solve your sound problem 18:06 < minto> :-( 18:10 < rxr_> for some yet unknown reason some sound modules of ALSA do load but fail to recognize the actual sound hardware ... 18:13 < valentin> f*ck - the edit component is now gedit 18:13 < valentin> i want my kde back 18:13 < minto> Luckily sound is not that big a deal to me. I mostly have it turned off anyway. I'd love to have a look at the new live cd. I guess a message on the mailing list will follow soon after you made it available.. 18:15 < rxr_> hehe - I know there is still al lot to do to make it the best desktop OS experience ever ... 18:15 < rxr_> but that is mostly my intention over the next months 18:16 < valentin> oh - i did not knew that the jan kara working at our department is the jan kara from the linux kernel 18:17 < minto> You have set your targets high. 18:18 < valentin> he worked for suse labs in the past 18:18 < rxr_> hm - what is he doing in your uni department ? 18:19 < valentin> doing his doctorate in discrete mathematics 18:20 < rxr_> hm 18:21 < valentin> i do not know if he is still there or retured to prague 18:22 < [lewellyn]> rxr_: so lack of sound is not unique to me? :( 18:22 < valentin> [lewellyn]: sadly, no 18:22 < valentin> if your problem is that /dev/snd is empty except for the timer device 18:23 < [lewellyn]> i'd have to look at the email i sent rene 18:26 < rxr_> [lewellyn]: for some stange reason 1/3 or so of the alsa drivers on the live cd are not that functional 18:26 < rxr_> it is yet unknown why this is the case ... 18:27 < rxr_> valentin: should we call ? 18:27 < rxr_> if you have time that is ... 18:27 -!- You're now known as rxr 18:28 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF88ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:30 < [lewellyn]> rxr: for me, that seemed to be the only driver that had issues... 18:34 < valentin> rxr 18:34 < valentin> ok 18:34 < valentin> busy 18:35 < rxr> hm - sim card error 18:35 < rxr> can you use my landline ? 18:35 < valentin> .oO 18:35 < valentin> ok 18:35 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF8AA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:44 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.34] has joined #t2 18:44 < mnemoc_> argh 18:44 < minto> hi mnemoc 18:44 < sepp> hi mnemoc_ 18:45 < mnemoc_> hi minto, sepp 18:45 < mnemoc_> did i say something 4 minutes ago? 18:45 < minto> nope you only said argh 1 minute ago 18:45 < mnemoc_> :) 18:46 < mnemoc_> == 21:08:32 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m108 2.1.0-rc2]. 18:46 < mnemoc_> == 06/12/05 03:07:15 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo. 18:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: apache on minimal-desktop? 18:46 < mnemoc_> misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in:/ apache / { p; d; }; 18:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: ^--- why? 18:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: guess from the time when it was needed for a subversion build or so 18:46 < mnemoc_> remove apache or add apr? 18:46 < mnemoc_> hi rxr :) 18:47 < rxr> hi mnemoc_ 18:47 < rxr> rm apche - add apr-* 18:47 < mnemoc_> ok 18:47 < rxr> valentin: svn up for ths stanard fix ... 18:47 < valentin> ok, then there is blabla, then activieren 18:48 < valentin> maybe Authentifikation -> Authentifizierung 18:48 < mnemoc_> rxr: apr and apr-util? 18:48 < rxr> I think so 18:49 < rxr> valentin: sound ok 18:49 < valentin> yes Authentifizierung 18:49 < valentin> the other one does not exist 18:50 < mnemoc_> Authentifizierung exists? 18:50 < valentin> in german 18:50 < mnemoc_> exists? 18:50 < mnemoc_> i had that problem on spanish also 18:51 < mnemoc_> no words for authentificaton 18:51 < valentin> hm 18:54 < mnemoc_> authentication, etc... 18:54 < mnemoc_> neither requirement exists 18:55 < rxr> when will spanish 2.0 out ? 18:55 < mnemoc_> :) 18:55 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.55] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:59 < mnemoc_> rxr: how do i set a tempdir for rsyncd? 19:00 < valentin> mnemoc_: you could translate netconf into spanish 19:01 < mnemoc_> in extensive it is 'configuración de red' 19:04 < rxr> mnemoc_: valentin meant a whole .po file - not just this word ,-) 19:04 < mnemoc_> :p 19:04 < mnemoc_> ok ok 19:04 < mnemoc_> but later 19:04 < mnemoc_> i have to go now 19:04 < rxr> hehe - cu 19:05 < mnemoc_> cu 19:05 < minto> Are there any other translations required? 19:05 < minto> like for instance Dutch? 19:05 < rxr> any provided 19:05 < rxr> sure 19:06 < minto> How do I translate .po files? 19:06 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/netconf/trunk/gui/locale/de/messages.po 19:06 < rxr> take a copy and remove the german test below the english ones with dutch 19:06 < rxr> however plesae use utf8 for the non ASCI chars 19:07 < rxr> ASCII even 19:10 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (55 hits, 0 misses) 19:10 < rxr> == 19:07:16 =[9]=> Building network/knetconf [r269 2.2.0-alpha]. 19:11 < rxr> == 06/12/05 19:08:19 =[9]=> Finished building package knetconf. 19:11 < rxr> mksquashfs live ... 19:25 < rxr> ouhm - still squashing 19:32 < rxr> valentin: do you think cc'ing Netconf announce to rock-devel would cause a flamewar ? 19:33 < valentin> maybe - why would you want to do that ? 19:33 < valentin> i could create a package and throw it into submaster 19:34 < rxr> it will not work as it on ROCK - thus better not waste time on it ... 19:34 < valentin> yes, sure 19:34 < valentin> the paths are different 19:35 < valentin> and the /var/run/rocknet stuff too iirc 19:35 < rxr> so - cc announce or not ,-) 19:35 < valentin> i could throw a rocknet update into submaster 19:35 < rxr> *lol* 19:35 < valentin> rxr: why ? 19:35 < rxr> "public" relation 19:36 < valentin> hm 19:36 < valentin> i still do not see what interesst there will be for an t2-exclusive tool 19:36 < valentin> this means 'no' 19:37 < rxr> well - if they tweak a few places for the not too simillar ROCK Net they could use it as well ... 19:40 < rxr> [ANNOUNCE] T2 @Live 2.2.0-gamma "Life's a beach" 19:40 < rxr> ^- code name ok ? 19:41 < rxr> 2.2.0-final should get "Sophisticated fun" ,-) 19:41 < valentin> beach ? ok ... 19:41 < rxr> or lemmon ? 19:42 < rxr> I HATE THE DAMN CRIPPLED TFH FIREWALL 19:42 < rxr> AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh 19:42 * valentin hands rxr a tranquilizer 19:43 < rxr> valentin: do you have to kill a xterm 7 times a day because the firewall closed the connection ? 19:43 < rxr> broken crap ... 19:55 < rxr> my home rsync live source contains the most probably -gamma release, now 19:59 < valentin> which was again ? 20:00 < rxr> rsync -P rsync://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/public/live/t2.iso your-download-file.iso 20:00 < rxr> I think 20:02 < valentin> works 20:04 < minto> :-) works for me too 20:16 < rxr> minto: I hope you use some existing t2.iso file so you do not overload my tiny home office connection ? *g* 20:17 < minto> Sorry, I was not. 20:17 < minto> I no longer have the r15 iso. Should I first get the beta3 and then rsync? 20:18 < rxr> yes 20:18 < rxr> please 20:18 < minto> ack 20:21 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/glue.jpg 20:21 < sepp> ^ just a idea 20:23 < rxr> hehehe 20:23 < valentin> sepp: haha, that's cool 20:24 < valentin> you have to be carefull not to infridge some design-copyright 20:24 < valentin> so you should render your own tube or so 20:24 < [lewellyn]> yes ;) 20:24 < sepp> sure i only took a tube from the web to just demonstrate the idea 20:25 < rxr> maybe the form as it is patented and we get a letter even when we render it - juck 20:25 < valentin> nah... 20:26 < rxr> valentin: just joking ... 20:26 < valentin> but, who knows... lawyers are creative sometimes 20:26 < valentin> did you read about that forum that hat been sued 20:26 < [lewellyn]> valentin: dunno about there, but here in the us, this is a far more recognizable shape (and it gives you more label space, to boot!): 20:27 < rxr> valentin: we should patant some "container" to store fluid, hard and so on "material" and then sew them all 20:27 < [lewellyn]> http://tinyurl.com/c4ovt 20:27 < rxr> valentin: also consider the tera pack fluff - though I hope just a trademark ... 20:27 < sepp> ohh i give my ip on every glue tube i made to some chinese then 20:39 < rxr> I need to jump out to grab some good before one of the few shops opened on sunday closes the doors ... 20:39 < rxr> cu soon 20:41 < valentin> cu rxr 20:43 < [lewellyn]> rxr: enjoy :) 20:44 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFDCD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:44 < morfoh> hi all 20:44 < [lewellyn]> morning morfoh 20:44 < sepp> hi morfoh 20:45 < valentin> hi morfoh 20:45 < morfoh> good morning sepp + [lewellyn] ;) 21:11 < rxr> re 21:20 < [lewellyn]> http://evilurl.com/titANALTITTY 21:20 < rxr> hi morfoh - is your reg tester running right now ? 21:20 < [lewellyn]> how was food? 21:21 < rxr> just got some ingredients - still need to much the bread and those together 21:21 < rxr> when was the canada F1 grand prix ? ,-) 21:22 < [lewellyn]> dunno, but you're heading out? 21:25 < rxr> no - just talking about my evening dinner planing in front of a X-window displaying the race ,_) 21:25 < rxr> lewellyn-: I need to finish a T2@Live article this evening - thus no beer drinking outside ... 21:25 < [lewellyn]> ah 21:25 < [lewellyn]> by out, i meant out to canada 21:28 < rxr> lewellyn-: hehe - no the race is this evening - maybe even already running ... ,-) 21:28 < morfoh> rxr: no ... the ref build machine freezed :( 21:29 < valentin> rxr: grand prix is over 21:29 < rxr> I guessed form the dates - thus link to yours not included in the mail to the gcc list .. 21:29 < rxr> valentin: ouhm ... 21:29 < [lewellyn]> iirc, there's some big motorcycle race local to me 21:29 < rxr> who won? where was msc? 21:29 < [lewellyn]> a bunch of people have been heading out here 21:29 < valentin> msc and barichello placed 2&3 due to overnormal luck 21:30 < rxr> hahaha ... 21:30 < rxr> guess they have been overnormally lucky after on ,-) 21:30 < valentin> 3 cars in front of them had a damage, and montoya was disqualified 21:30 < rxr> s/lucky/happy/ 21:30 < valentin> baricello drove quite good, though 21:30 < valentin> he started from the last place 21:31 < valentin> msc started second and finished second 21:31 < valentin> winner was kimi raikonnen 21:32 < valentin> http://www.formel1.de/index.php?id=46&news_id=1642&start=&search= 21:34 < rxr> well - then i could take a look what mindless politicans say over @ sabine christiansen 21:41 < valentin> hm, rsync still running 21:43 < rxr> this time you get 100MB due to open offiec and friends 21:43 < rxr> the ISO size increased significantly ... 21:43 < rxr> and I run an own rsync, too ... 21:43 < valentin> and i guess there few identical parts in the binary 21:44 < rxr> oh there are many differnces - just 100MB more due to ooo mozilla and friends 21:45 < valentin> who is gerald pfeifer ? 21:45 < rxr> gcc folks 21:46 < [lewellyn]> rxr: i'll rsync when everyone else is done :) 21:47 < rxr> sabine c. might be interesting 21:53 < valentin> what is on christiansen ? 21:56 < rxr> the usual current spd split and political changes discussion ... 21:56 < sepp> so all are talking who has the best neolib. ideas? 21:57 < valentin> well, this fall we will have neolib+neocon 21:58 < sepp> yeah use could always be much worse 21:58 < sepp> it not use 21:58 < [lewellyn]> if you're talking politician, please take ours :P 21:58 < [lewellyn]> wait. no. 21:59 < [lewellyn]> that'll bring them physicallly closer to their dreams 21:59 < valentin> i wonder if it would be tactically clever to vote FDP if it becomes clear that opposition will win 22:00 < sepp> i wonder if i will make again a cross as big as the paper 22:00 < valentin> i am tempted to do that, too 22:00 < valentin> but i fear too much of an absolute 50% majority for CDU 22:01 < rxr> well - the usla [X] /me cross should do as well ,-) 22:02 < sepp> it is really like sausage 22:23 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9643 /trunk/package/multimedia/jahshaka/ (. jahshaka.cache jahshaka.conf jahshaka.desc): * added jahshaka (1.9a9) 22:26 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5498012D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 22:27 < sepp> so should i render a free glue thing ok was it just good for a joke? 22:28 < sepp> i dont know if this would be ok for promo ... 22:28 < sepp> or 22:28 < valentin> sepp: i would take it as picture for some material 22:28 < valentin> but we need an official logo first 22:28 < valentin> to put on the tube 22:28 < sepp> yes 22:29 < sepp> *gruebel* 22:32 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5498299E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:32 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 22:36 < sepp> hmm i found the glue idea funny - i will make a glue tube and add a logo/texture later 22:38 < sepp> but i have no real idea for a logo right now :( 22:45 < rxr> http://cdu.harz.de/uploads/RTEmagicP_schulden.jpg 22:46 < rxr> schuldenentwicklung bundesrepublik deutschland 22:46 < rxr> Eine interessante Grafik zur Entwicklung des Schuldenstandes von Bund, L?ndern und Gemeinden. Die Grafik stammt aus dem Bundesfinanzministerium und dem Statistischen Bundesamt. 22:47 < rxr> ^- just a bit cut n paste to raise the google hit for it and us a bit ,-) 22:48 < sepp> ohh harz.xxx would give a much better ranking i guess :) 22:48 < rxr> hehe 22:48 < rxr> http://www.sgipt.org/politpsy/finanz/schuldp/kohlh.htm 22:49 < rxr> ^- Das Schulden-Portr?t Helmut Kohl Ministerpr?sident Rheinland-Pfalz - Deutscher Bundeskanzle 22:49 < rxr> ok - my bookmark foled named t2-irc-log is filled ,-) 22:49 < rxr> folder even ... 22:49 < valentin> so everyone in .de has to pay 14.000 Euro and we are rid of our depts 22:51 < rxr> yeah - would you ? 22:53 < valentin> if i had 14.000 Euro to donate, i would give them to someone who really needs them 22:54 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:54 < [lewellyn]> only 14,000? 22:55 * [lewellyn] wonders what our debt is up to here 22:55 < [lewellyn]> rxr: how's the saturation? should i rsync the livecd now or wait? 22:57 < valentin> [lewellyn]: you must not be worried about your depts as long as whole south-east asia pays for them to couple their currencies at the dollar. 22:57 < morfoh> valentin: ack 22:57 < valentin> ah, and i forgot saudi arabia 22:58 < [lewellyn]> valentin: i wonder how we got the debts in the first place... :/ 22:58 < valentin> just guess what one cruise missile costs 22:58 < valentin> and multiply by the number that detonated in the iraq 22:59 < morfoh> valentin: and "Star Wars" aka. "NMD" I think 22:59 < [lewellyn]> i know how much a bolt costs... and an idea how many we have in our equipment :( 23:00 < rxr> sepp: my girlfriend (who did not like the last grub slpash) likes your glue idea ,-) 23:00 < sepp> good ;) 23:01 < [lewellyn]> http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/bestof.cgi?N=1351-1375 23:01 < [lewellyn]> #1371-05 :) 23:05 < valentin> :) 23:05 < sepp> rxr: if we all agree on something i would like to make some nice graphics 23:06 < rxr> yep - and first we need some ideas .. 23:06 < rxr> s far I like the puzzle pieces most - but they do not necessary form a good logo .. 23:07 < rxr> we would need s.th. uniqu tha compears with the SuSE, RedHat, Debian, Gentoo, ... logos and stands out of the mass in some uniqe way - all not that easy ,-) 23:08 < sepp> i like the unbuntu logo 23:08 < rxr> this naked asses ? 23:08 < sepp> yes 23:08 < rxr> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/3ubuntu.jpg 23:08 < sepp> but i never saw naked anything there 23:09 < rxr> then you missed the above paste from: 23:09 < rxr> t2-2005-06-10:15:21 < morfoh> 23:09 < valentin> ubunto has many sex pictures 23:10 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ubuntu&btnG=Search 23:10 < rxr> sex sells 23:10 < sepp> *ROTFL* 23:11 < [lewellyn]> yes, t2 should have something racy... 23:11 < [lewellyn]> like a almost nude woman in a race car 23:11 < sepp> but puzzle parts make no logo at all 23:13 < sepp> you know the bmw logo? 23:13 < [lewellyn]> i'll talk to my g/f over dinner tonite :) 23:13 < sepp> the car ... 23:13 < valentin> looks to bavarian 23:13 < [lewellyn]> she's good at logo design, having done it enough times 23:13 < rxr> ok - so we pick a playboy with some F1 pilot and some sexy woman and print T2 over it ? 23:13 < sepp> no i just ask if you understand the bmw story 23:13 < [lewellyn]> rxr: pretty much 23:13 < [lewellyn]> ;) 23:13 < [lewellyn]> sepp: no 23:14 < [lewellyn]> americans don't learn history ;) 23:14 < sepp> lewellyn-: but you know the logo? 23:15 < rxr> http://www.finnie.org/stuff/ubuntu-porn/ 23:15 < rxr> uhm 23:15 < rxr> my god 23:16 < sepp> ok if there is any chance to see porn in anything i will drop the idea :) 23:16 < [lewellyn]> sepp: yes, i know the logo. 23:16 < [lewellyn]> it's everywhere 23:16 < [lewellyn]> sepp: not porn, just the idea of it! :) 23:16 < rxr> http://www.finnie.org/stuff/ubuntu-porn/ubuntu-calendar-october.png 23:16 < sepp> lewellyn-: what does it mean? 23:16 < [lewellyn]> sepp: the logo? no clue 23:17 < sepp> the blue white thing 23:17 < rxr> is ubuntu by any means promoting to have two womans per man? a white and a black one *g* = 23:17 < rxr> ?`even 23:17 < sepp> it is a rotor 23:17 < sepp> of a plane 23:17 < [lewellyn]> sepp: no idea. i've never understood the mercedes-benz logo either. 23:18 < sepp> lewellyn-: bmw logo a rotor infront of blue heaven 23:18 < [lewellyn]> rxr: perhaps get the average geek to associate "T2" with "2 Female Upper Body" parts through creative marketing, where you never actually show or say it? :) 23:18 < sepp> lol 23:18 < [lewellyn]> sepp: i'll believe you :) 23:18 < rxr> *ggrrrrrrrr* 23:19 < rxr> http://www.ubuntu.xxx 23:19 < sepp> i would prefer a tux with 2 foods 23:19 < sepp> feets? 23:19 < [lewellyn]> wait. you can already get xxx domains? 23:19 < [lewellyn]> does not resolve here. 23:20 < rxr> lewellyn-: it does not resolve here either - it was just a joke ... 23:20 < rxr> but maybe we can money out of it? register anyone?? 23:20 < sepp> for $60.000 ? 23:21 < [lewellyn]> my usual registrar isn't doing .xxx yet :( 23:21 < sepp> so no xxx.xxx.xxx today :) 23:22 < rxr> hahaha 23:22 < [lewellyn]> sepp: that's one i want to try to pre-register 23:22 < [lewellyn]> but i can't find anyplace to do so :( 23:23 < sepp> lol i guess if you preregister xxx.xxx.xxx you never need to work again 23:25 < [lewellyn]> that's the thought! :) 23:25 < [lewellyn]> i have a few of those i want to squat on :) 23:25 < [lewellyn]> i missed .com/.net/.org sqatting 23:26 < [lewellyn]> i thought it was just people being silly at the time 23:29 < rxr> some quick comments - next live release - 2.2.0-gamma - code name "life's a beach" (or so) or "la la" ? 23:29 < sepp> hmm i have to sleep now - maybe i find any non xxx idea ... 23:30 < sepp> "life's a roller coaster" 23:31 < sepp> good night all 23:31 < rxr> n8 sepp 23:31 < [lewellyn]> sleep well 23:36 < rxr> well - I think I stick with life's a beach for now - symbolizing how nice the T2 Live CD is ... 23:37 < valentin> n8 sepp 23:37 < [lewellyn]> hehe. girl in a bikini! :) 23:38 < rxr> valentin: what do you think changing the default kde panel on the live cd to be centered in the middle and only 66% of the desktop width - expanding on need ? 23:38 < rxr> I kinda like that 23:39 < valentin> like apple ? 23:39 < rxr> no - like cde 23:40 < valentin> i prefer auto-hiding 23:40 < valentin> so i do not care about size 23:40 < rxr> yeah - I too - but that would waste cpu cycles in the already slow emulators - and might confuse too newbie users 23:40 < valentin> wow - i can test my live cd 23:40 < rxr> finsihed ? 23:40 < rxr> rsync that is ? 23:41 < valentin> can you give me md5 ? 23:41 < [lewellyn]> mmm kde acting as cde 23:41 < [lewellyn]> i love the irony :) 23:42 < [lewellyn]> sync should be done in a moment or two :) 23:42 < rxr> 81908d7af86b0bd88dd4b9f4101e080e t2.iso 23:43 < valentin> ok 23:46 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 23:46 < rxr> oh - cool - what I dictated about T2@Live in ViaVoice are 4 pages! 23:46 < rxr> I did not imagine it would be that much - cool 23:46 < rxr> I need to get natuarlly speaking running in Wine ... - damnit 23:46 < [lewellyn]> my rsync has been at 99% forever :( 23:47 < rxr> hi sparc-kly 23:47 < [lewellyn]> hoi sparc-kly 23:48 < [lewellyn]> 669241111 99% 864.87kB/s 0:00:06 23:48 < [lewellyn]> long long 6 seconds :( 23:48 < rxr> hehe 23:49 < [lewellyn]> still like another 10 mb to snarf, right? 23:49 < rxr> 675158016 23:50 < [lewellyn]> wow. so it got smaller 23:50 < [lewellyn]> total size is 675211264 speedup is 6.26 23:50 < [lewellyn]> that was yesterday 23:51 < rxr> I might have included some temp files I forgot to wipe ... 23:51 < [lewellyn]> oh :) 23:51 < rxr> so the new ones despite changes and such is not bigger ... 23:51 < [lewellyn]> well, it was a huge rsync yesterday 23:51 < [lewellyn]> wrote 167642 bytes read 107695801 bytes 15907.89 bytes/sec 23:52 < rxr> .oO 23:52 < [lewellyn]> i think today's will take longer and be smaller :/ 23:52 < rxr> I forgot to include netconf HEAD in the squashfs - I get crazzy - damn 23:52 < [lewellyn]> wrote 182006 bytes read 3402665 bytes 3329.93 bytes/sec 23:52 < [lewellyn]> total size is 675158016 speedup is 188.35 23:52 < [lewellyn]> wee! 23:52 < [lewellyn]> rxr: so there's a new one on its way? 23:53 < rxr> if I decide to requash it it will only differ in a few bytes 23:53 < rxr> and only in the german translation of netconf wich you do not care about anyway I think 23:53 < [lewellyn]> well, i'd still need to not burn this one to cd-rw :) 23:53 < rxr> so go for it ,-) 23:53 < [lewellyn]> not really :) 23:54 < lewellyn-> ok. time to shut down the live cd that's currently running :) 23:54 -!- lewellyn- [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:54 -!- lewellyn [~mjl@198.144.200.131] has joined #t2 23:58 < lewellyn> i wonder why the livecd won't boot when i'm in "combination" mode... 23:59 < rxr> "combination" whta ? 23:59 < rxr> what even ? 23:59 < lewellyn> as my sata mode. --- Log closed Mon Jun 13 00:00:00 2005