T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-10
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--- Log opened Fri Jun 10 00:00:18 2005
--- Day changed Fri Jun 10 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> at home i drink water and coke at work... coffee just when i have to pass awake.
00:01 < morfoh> :)
00:02 < morfoh> but you've to stop supporting cocacola ... please ...
00:02 < mnemoc> yes
00:03 < morfoh> I think you know more stories about them from south america than me ...
00:05 < mnemoc> :)
00:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: what was the svn merge syntax again ... wanna merge r9599 into branch and tag
00:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't forget tomorrow is the big day!
00:07 < mnemoc> svn merge -r(n-1):n $path_to_trunk_workingcopy $path_to_21_workingcopy
00:09 < [lewellyn]> he meant cocaine, not coca cola, i think ;)
00:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can I forget if there is someone remembering me wit such a charme :p
00:10 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: who ?
00:12 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: you think mnemoc takes coca*ne at work + coffee ... nah! ... :)
00:12 < [lewellyn]> it was a joke :)
00:12 < morfoh> I know :)
00:13 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: you are from SF right ?
00:13 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: yes
00:13 < [lewellyn]> and i'm thinking lately that cocaine is less damaging than coca-cola
00:13 < morfoh> ohoh! wrong thoughts
00:13 < morfoh> both are very unhealthy
00:14 < [lewellyn]> yes, they are.
00:14 < morfoh> but ... cacaine will manipulate your brain in a non-revertable way
00:14 < morfoh> cocaine
00:14 < [lewellyn]> as will the chemicals in coca-cola ;)
00:14 < [lewellyn]> especially diet.
00:14 < morfoh> yes :)
00:15 < morfoh> I'm wondering about so many people eating fat burgers ... but they just drink diet coke :)
00:15 < [lewellyn]> i find it amusing that everyone has jumped over to sucralose so quickly; i know of zero long-term health studies of it
00:15 < morfoh> what a brainwash
00:15 < mnemoc> dumb question from console boy to desktop gurus: why dot can say: Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman
00:15 < mnemoc> if $ fc-list Times-Roman
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Bold Italic
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Bold
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Italic
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Regular
00:16 < [lewellyn]> i suppose it's like me; all the drugs i do consist of alcohol and nicotine :)
00:16 * [lewellyn] knows little about gui crap. if i can get an xterm i am happy! :)
00:17 < morfoh> console boy ... first you've to learn ... writing well formed questions and not just pasting around :p
00:17 < morfoh> same here too
00:17 < mnemoc> :(
00:17 < morfoh> don't cry
00:18 < mnemoc> i'll ask at gentoo! :)
00:18 < morfoh> you can try to wake up rxr
00:18 < mnemoc> or ubuntu
00:18 < morfoh> but he is bashing around atm
00:18 < mnemoc> hehe
00:18 < morfoh> yes .... ask them ...
00:18 < morfoh> :)
00:19 < [lewellyn]> leave us poor cli users alone with your evil font problems :)
00:19 < morfoh> but you've to be careful
00:19 < [lewellyn]> yes. be careful. mention that you love compiling a few times before asking :)
00:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: if you're away for more than 5min. I'll call the police ... to search for you
00:20 < [lewellyn]> btw, what ever happened to the assisted pregnancy thinger that the pope recommended against voting on?
00:21 < morfoh> .... the new chef is following the line I guess ... ask mnemoc ... he's more involved I think
00:21 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: no idea... i din't vote :)
00:22 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: my 4 years girl used the to paint
00:22 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: btw, do you know "The Dungeon Family" from ATL ?
00:22 < mnemoc> them*
00:23 < mnemoc> uhm... i have to pick my girls up.... back in 30 minutes
00:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: hurry hurry ... it's not good to let a girl wait ... and especially not 2 of them
00:24 < morfoh> they will kick papa's ***
00:24 < mnemoc> and the third will arive in two hours :)
00:25 < mnemoc> cu
00:25 < morfoh> now you can laugh
00:25 < morfoh> cu
00:25 < mnemoc> yep :p
00:25 < mnemoc> cu
00:27 < valentin> very short re
00:27 < morfoh> hi valentin :)
00:28 * [lewellyn] has never heard of "The Dungeon Family"
00:30 < valentin> cu
00:30 < morfoh> cu
00:31 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: it's the crew around outkast, goodie mob, ... and co.
00:32 < [lewellyn]> those names mean nothing to me...
00:34 < morfoh> btw, whats you age ? just if you want to share this information :)
00:34 < morfoh> your
00:35 < morfoh> what kind of music do you listening to ?
00:36 < CIA-7> chris * r9600 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * added java-dirtree to desktop target to hopefully fix bdb-java stuff
00:37 < [lewellyn]> i'm 25, and tend to vaoid popular music.
00:37 < [lewellyn]> avoid
00:40 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: I'm 29 and I avoid pop music too ... and I grew up with RAP and HIP-HOP from the US
00:40 < morfoh> but I don't like this ass/money shaking
00:41 < [lewellyn]> rap and hip-hop is popular still :)
00:42 < morfoh> yes of course
00:43 < morfoh> but I grew up with public enemy and other "veterans" ... which made no pop I think
00:46 < morfoh> so what do you prefer ... ?
00:56 < [lewellyn]> public enemy was on mtv. i can't say the same for most of the things i come across
00:56 < [lewellyn]> i don't even recognize the names of half the stuff on my ipod, other than the fact that they make one song i like and no one else has ever heard of them
00:57 < [lewellyn]> though, i'm going to probably go pick up the new negativland album this weekend
00:59 < morfoh> yeah ... I don't watch TV anymore :)
01:00 < morfoh> one day my TV was (I thinkthe "rat" manipulate it before :)
01:01 < morfoh> was broken
01:03 < morfoh> ok ... will go sleep now ... cu later ... (but not on MTV ;)
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01:17 < mnemoc> re
02:47 < [lewellyn]> re
02:50 < [lewellyn]> mnemoc: what's your zope skill level?
02:51 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: null
02:51 < [lewellyn]> bah :)
02:52 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: i have one running, but i have never coded on it
02:52 < [lewellyn]> ok.
02:56 < mnemoc> why?
02:57 < mnemoc> are you zope developer?
02:58 < [lewellyn]> i've been accused of it.
02:58 < [lewellyn]> ;)
02:58 < [lewellyn]> i jsut had a question that SHOULD have an easier solution (and more robust solution) than what i think i'm settling on.
02:59 < [lewellyn]> items in the query portion of the url only show up if they have a value, unless you use the raw QUERY_STRING :(
03:01 < mnemoc> oh
03:01 < mnemoc> had thing
03:01 < mnemoc> bad*
03:02 < [lewellyn]> ya. ended up with: condition="python:request.QUERY_STRING.find('test') != -1"
03:02 < mnemoc> doesn't it have the tipical if (has(thing)) foo=get(thing); ?
03:03 < mnemoc> testit=foo <--- fail :)
03:03 < [lewellyn]> which is far less practical than: condition="request/test|nothing"
03:03 < [lewellyn]> that latter syntax would only work if i forced people to use, say... test=1
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04:58 < [lewellyn]> re sparc-kly
05:31 < mnemoc> *yawn*
05:32 < [lewellyn]> mnemoc: go back to sleep. it's barely sunrise for you :)
05:32 < mnemoc> here? nah
05:32 < [lewellyn]> oh ya.
05:32 < mnemoc> 23:33 :)
05:32 < [lewellyn]> taht's right.
05:32 < mnemoc> i still working
05:32 < [lewellyn]> now you should just go to bed the first time :)
05:32 < [lewellyn]> same here.
05:32 < mnemoc> :)
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05:33 < [lewellyn]> i got permission to leave before midnight tonite :)
05:33 < mnemoc> :)
05:33 < mnemoc> are you free tomorrow?
05:35 < [lewellyn]> so forward!
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05:46 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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06:10 < mnemoc> oh... i haven't noticed my zope stone module supports wildcards :p
06:11 < mnemoc> side effect of using bash as backend :)
06:17 < [lewellyn]> zope stone?
06:17 < [lewellyn]> around here, that would be welcomed
06:17 < [lewellyn]> i'm the only one who isn't out to stone zope! ;)
06:17 < mnemoc> it's only on T2 ;)
06:17 < mnemoc> not rock
06:19 < mnemoc> did you migrate?
06:19 < mnemoc> anyone, stone API haven't changed, so you can just copy it
06:19 < mnemoc> anyway*
06:22 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/zope/zope/stone_mod_zope.sh
06:28 < [lewellyn]> no, i haven't upgraded yet. not till i can get a booting livecd to know what i will need to do to my kernel so that i can then upgrade to t2 :(
06:28 < [lewellyn]> and i was referring to my office's general hatred for zope.
06:29 < [lewellyn]> i.e. a stone made just for hurling at zope would be welcomed.
06:29 < mnemoc> that module currently 'just' helps with symlinking and product versions installation and updating
06:30 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: what i'm i missing:
06:30 < mnemoc> File "/srv/conosur/conosur.0/intranet/Products/CMFonFive/fiveactionstool.py", line 24, in ?
06:30 < mnemoc> from zope.app.publisher.browser.globalbrowsermenuservice import \
06:30 < mnemoc> ImportError: No module named zope.app.publisher.browser.globalbrowsermenuservice
06:31 < [lewellyn]> what the hell is zope.app.publisher.browser.globalbrowsermenuservice? o_O
06:33 < rxr> re
06:34 < mnemoc> moin rxr
06:35 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: are products loaded in simple dir order on Products/ dir?
06:35 < mnemoc> Products/CMFonFive seems to depend on Products/Five
06:35 < [lewellyn]> they should be loaded in the same order that python normally parses the path
06:35 < [lewellyn]> though i do recall it being alphabetical
06:36 < mnemoc> can i just rename Five to be before CMFonFive ?
06:37 < [lewellyn]> um. sure? :)
06:37 < [lewellyn]> why not do the other way around though?
06:37 < [lewellyn]> CMFonFive -> FiveCMF
06:38 < mnemoc> that will hurt stone zope...
06:38 < [lewellyn]> how so?
06:39 < [lewellyn]> and where did these names come from?
06:39 < mnemoc> CPSSharedCalendar
06:39 < mnemoc> stone zope has a set of 'product containers' where products are installed, /opt/zope/products on T2 by default
06:40 < mnemoc> it parse dir names of dirs with __init__.py
06:40 < [lewellyn]> and CPSSharedCalendar (whatever that is) normally uses these names just fine?
06:40 < mnemoc> no idea :)
06:41 < mnemoc> and search for different installations (versions) of the product
06:41 < [lewellyn]> personally, i like finding out how things are supposed to be used before i go and break them :)
06:41 < mnemoc> http://svn.nuxeo.org/trac/pub/ticket/647
06:41 < mnemoc> that's what i found
06:41 < [lewellyn]> let me finish my current zope deployment before i get sidetracked :)
06:42 < [lewellyn]> it's only 47 exports/imports, so it should be fairly quick
06:42 < mnemoc> hehe, ok :)
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07:08 < rxr> http://www.dlldump.com/
07:08 < rxr> nice wource to inject randomly missing dlls into wine ...
07:10 < mnemoc> *click*
07:11 < mnemoc> *bookmarked*
07:19 < rxr> though I have no idea if they are malwared ...
07:20 < mnemoc> in god we trust.... well they do
07:21 < [lewellyn]> btw, there are pay services that will guarantee the random dll will not contain a virus or malware.
07:21 < [lewellyn]> but they include malware dlls in the list :/
07:25 < mnemoc> :(
07:27 < [lewellyn]> i did not look at that particular list
07:28 < [lewellyn]> just referring to others i have seen in the past
07:41 < mnemoc> n8 [lewellyn], rxr
07:42 < rxr> n8 mnemoc
07:49 < [lewellyn]> n8
07:49 * [lewellyn] goes too
07:50 < rxr> cu [lewellyn]
07:51 < [lewellyn]> rxr: have a good day :)
07:52 < rxr> and you a good night ,-)
07:54 < [lewellyn]> i will try.
07:54 * [lewellyn] poofs
07:56 < rxr> 07:50:58 Exception thrown (d:\work\px3\trouble\tests.cpp, 958).^M
07:56 < rxr> ^- what filenames people hardcode into their binaries ...
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08:23 < valentin> moin
08:23 < rxr> moin
08:24 < valentin> hm, german posting
08:54 < rxr> wine is a touchy crappy stuff ...
08:54 < rxr> how those coders could have such a config nightmare out of it is a riddle for me
08:54 < valentin> did you utf8-edit the file yet ?
08:55 < rxr> nope
08:55 < rxr> I could now ...
09:08 < valentin> does it 'make' ?
09:09 < valentin> ah, thank you
09:09 < rxr> ah - no make not test
09:09 < rxr> ed
09:09 < rxr> but committed
09:13 < valentin> it works
09:13 < valentin> i just write the install code now
09:13 < rxr> cool - I also started a test build on the iBook ...
09:16 < valentin> hm, is there sth like bash -e which directly executes shell code ?
09:16 < valentin> like bash -xyz 'for x in * ; do ....'
09:17 < rxr> I think so
09:18 < rxr> -c ?
09:18 < rxr> bash -c "echo a"
09:18 < rxr> bash -c 'for x in {a,b,c}{1,2} ; do echo $x ; done'
09:18 < rxr> works
09:18 < valentin> fucking make
09:19 < valentin> how do i use $var in make ?
09:19 < rxr> in make?
09:19 < rxr> $() ?
09:19 < valentin> no matter how i quote or escape it
09:19 < valentin> no
09:19 < rxr> for the bash code ?
09:19 < valentin> shell var
09:19 < valentin> yes
09:19 < rxr> does \\ not work
09:19 < rxr> ?
09:19 < rxr> \\$x ...
09:19 < valentin> /bin/sh -c 'for l in locale/*/*.gmo ; do echo \\ ; done'
09:19 < valentin> so it does still not work
09:20 < valentin> no matter how i quote
09:21 < rxr> hm
09:21 < rxr> I saw ugly quoting in Makefiles - however they did not burn into my brain too well ...
09:21 < rxr> btw. please convert to use install for installation
09:21 < rxr> with cp you can not install when netconf is running ...
09:22 < rxr> text file busy
09:22 < valentin> yes, how would you fix that ?
09:22 < valentin> ah $$ works
09:24 < rxr> just use install instead of cp as I wrote above
09:24 < rxr> 09:21 < rxr> btw. please convert to use install for installation
09:24 < rxr> a mv would also do - but then you would move away your built file ...
09:24 < rxr> so install does the same ,-)
09:24 < valentin> and this works ?
09:25 < rxr> yes - unlike cp it unlinks the file first - cp does try to write into the existintg inode ...
09:25 < rxr> the unlinked file stays mapped into memory and hidden on disk until the executable quits ...
09:25 < valentin> i like it though.. you always see if the app is still running
09:25 < valentin> saves you time for searching ,)
09:26 < CIA-7> rene * r9601 /trunk/package/network/amule/amule.desc: * updated amule (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
09:26 < rxr> valentin: you are the fist one screaming an in-system Emerge fails ..
09:26 < rxr> due to "text file busy" ...
09:28 < valentin> it was just a joke
09:28 < rxr> hey I get a file at 56kB ...
09:28 < valentin> damn, my kde controll center is "empty" ??
09:28 < valentin> oh fuck
09:28 < rxr> and @ 256 kbit/s it even sound like a file you wanna listen to ...
09:28 < valentin> i smashed my kde config
09:28 < valentin> at least it is german now
09:29 < valentin> newer abort kde settings wizzard
09:30 < valentin> rxr: can you fix three more errors ?
09:30 < valentin> first profile should translate into Profil
09:30 < valentin> or wait
09:30 < valentin> ok, forget that
09:30 < valentin> second, device is not utf8
09:30 < valentin> third loeschen is missspelled
09:32 < valentin> Waehlverfahren no utf8
09:32 < valentin> and Authentification -> Authentifizierung
09:33 < valentin> that was the stuff i found ad-hoc
09:34 < valentin> how is this kde wizzard called again ?
09:36 < rxr> kde wizzard?
09:36 < rxr> kpersonalizer ?
09:39 < valentin> thx
09:40 < valentin> hint: never abort it in the middle of operation...
09:41 < valentin> damn, still half of my icons are gone
09:41 < valentin> and my controll center and stuff
09:42 < rxr> hm
09:42 < valentin> and it is completly broken
09:42 < rxr> == 09:26:32 =[9]=> Building multimedia/blender [2.37 2.2.0-alpha].
09:42 < valentin> damn, i restart my kde
09:42 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 8.97% (61 hits, 619 misses)
09:42 < valentin> if that does not work i have to kill my config :(
09:42 < CIA-7> rene * r9602 /trunk/package/multimedia/blender/blender.desc: * updated blender (2.36 -> 2.37)
09:44 < valentin> shit - i ruined my kde
09:44 < valentin> i'll search later
09:44 < valentin> cur
09:44 < valentin> cu even
10:40 < CIA-7> rene * r9603 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/ole32-stubmanager.patch:
10:40 < CIA-7> * fix certain setup.exe's to start up - since it is not really an error
10:40 < CIA-7> - more a warning
10:53 < valentin> wtf...
10:53 < valentin> deletet all .kde* stuff
10:53 < valentin> and still everything broken
10:54 < valentin> why is epihany thing my webbrowser ? why are all kde apps gone in the menu ?
11:00 < valentin> hm, i think my system is quite damaged
11:00 < valentin> :(
11:00 < valentin> must be something i emerged recently
11:00 < valentin> cu later
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11:01 < morfoh> moin
11:01 < rxr> moin
11:02 < morfoh> hi rxr, how are you today ?
11:03 < rxr> oh - well - well - however I would be better if Naturally Speaking would already be working in Wine ...
11:04 < morfoh> rxr: is this a "must have" for finishing the livecd project ?
11:07 < rxr> of course not - but it is a must have for me ...
11:07 < rxr> of course I only have on license not many to distribute with the livecd ,-)
11:08 < morfoh> ah ... ok :)
11:15 < rxr> where do you think will we meet today ?
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11:48 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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11:48 [ [lewellyn]] [ CIA-7 ] [ morfoh ] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
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12:30 < CIA-7> rene * r9604 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/ (wine.conf wine.desc):
12:30 < CIA-7> * marked wine alpha (not beta) as it officially is
12:30 < CIA-7> * remove all debug confopts since the default of --disable-debug
12:30 < CIA-7> render this alpha wine useless ...
12:39 < morfoh> re hi
12:41 < rxr> morfoh: where do you tink will we meet later on ?
12:41 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... unfortune what do you propose ? I've to go to Berlin-Mitte at 17:00 for about 1h. ... I could take all my stuff with me and jumping out at your place while going back. How is your plan for today
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12:45 < rxr> if you are on the way to mitte your plan sound good
12:45 < rxr> hi tilix
12:45 < morfoh> Unfortunately I was a bit late at work because I didn't hear the alarm ... so I've to stay here a bit longer
12:47 < tilix> hi
12:47 < morfoh> hi tilix ... how is it in bulgaria ? :)
12:48 < tilix> cold :)
12:49 < morfoh> yeah ... same here too ... summer didn't arived yet
12:50 < rxr> summer? I tought we have autumn
12:50 < rxr> winter -> spring -> automn -> circle is closed - did I miss s.th.?
12:54 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps you missed sth. while hacking around :)
13:17 < rxr> I missed, for example, that the T2 lists includes Knoppix support
13:21 < morfoh> uhm? :|
13:21 < rxr> read the list ,-)
13:22 < tilix> whick list?
13:22 < tilix> which
13:23 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I've read it before ... did you asked him why he wrotes to the t2 ml and not asking the knoppix people ?
13:26 < rxr> tilix: the t2 list ? ,-)
13:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html
13:26 < tilix> oh
13:26 < tilix> :)
13:41 < rxr> Alternatives system 0.2.0
13:41 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/198505/
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15:06 < valentin> re
15:07 < rxr> hi valentin
15:07 < rxr> how was your day ?
15:07 < morfoh> hi don valentino :)
15:08 < valentin> besides that my kde is trashed and i still do not know why ...
15:12 < rxr> how commerical assembly code get's commented:
15:12 < rxr> jnc cal_do2
15:12 < rxr> call rd_ads ;\
15:12 < rxr> mov ah,10h ; \ ????
15:12 < rxr> call rd_dummy ; /
15:12 < rxr> call ptini ;/
15:12 < rxr> call mv2cl
15:14 < rxr> wow:
15:14 < rxr> cmp al,50h ;0101
15:14 < rxr> how verbose ...
15:16 < rxr> push ecx ;????
15:16 < rxr> mov ecx,2000 ;????
15:16 < rxr> loop $ ;????
15:17 < rxr> pop ecx ;????
15:17 < rxr> ...
15:17 < rxr> ouhm - well - now I get to a place with even more ???? ...
15:17 < rxr> boah - eleven lines marked questionable ...
15:21 < morfoh> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/3ubuntu.jpg
15:21 < morfoh> hmmm ... what does it mean ? ubuntu is like pain in the ass ? or ... even ubuntu is like a nice ass? ... sorry ;)
15:21 < morfoh> it's the bottoms of ubuntu ;-)
15:22 < morfoh> now we know what the gnome devel people are doing the whole day ;)
15:24 < rxr> ouhm
15:24 < rxr> you may not post porn here ... !!!
15:27 < rxr> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/warty-cover.jpg
15:27 < rxr> ??
15:27 < rxr> is this real?
15:27 < rxr> I mean do they really try to sell their crappy debian junk by sex ?
15:30 < rxr> uh
15:30 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ubuntu&btnG=Search
15:30 < rxr> I better do not look further ...
15:34 < rxr> I could pass this links to susan - in the hope she stops using gnome immediatly ...
15:34 < morfoh> rxr: sorry ... it wasn't my intention for posting porn ..
15:35 < valentin> praenti stopped rock develpment
15:35 < rxr> the google search revels more ...
15:36 < rxr> oops ...
15:38 < morfoh> valentin: what about inviting him to work on t2 ?
15:38 < rxr> morfoh: he writes he has no time ..
15:38 < rxr> and that he occiationally might update a package, so ...
15:38 < morfoh> ah! ok
15:38 < valentin> and he knows about t2
15:39 < rxr> ouhm:
15:39 < rxr> loop forback29
15:39 < rxr> how cool assembly hacking is ...
15:39 < rxr> "where the hell was that label" ...
15:41 < rxr> well - was an interesting scroll over a windows driver ...
15:41 < rxr> and "why I never would write it entriely in assembly" ...
16:17 < rxr> puhh - valentin dr. just called ...
16:17 < rxr> he is not upset so far - just wanted to know when the CD will arrive ...
16:28 < valentin> what did you answer ? ::)
16:29 < morfoh> regarding spamassassin issue ->
16:29 < morfoh> morfoh: I can think of several possible issues 1) your gcc doesn't like something in the code, 2) your perl is generating a bad Makefile (since it doesn't seem to even be getting around to compiling code), 3) you've got a bad make
16:29 < morfoh> morfoh: considering I haven't seen anyone else with a similar issue, I'd say it's not widespread
16:30 < morfoh> still segfaults even after another update to 3.0.4
16:30 < morfoh> it will be the only show stopper for the desktop target so far
16:31 < rxr> morfoh: it is no showstopper
16:31 < rxr> and I also think it is not spamassassin itself ...
16:32 < rxr> I can emerge the affected compononets on a not that important remote sever with older toolchain to see on what update this starts to appear ...
16:32 < rxr> valentin: that they will have it _soon_
16:32 < rxr> valentin: I call you, ok ?
16:32 < rxr> morfoh: when will you come over ?
16:33 < rxr> it would be cool if we would not hack the night today - since I hvae not seen susan for some days and we also want to have some time for us ...
16:33 < rxr> but I could hack embedded over the weekend of course
16:34 < morfoh> oh! I've to move I'm late ...
16:34 < morfoh> rxr: I guess around 18:30 -19:00 is that ok ?
16:37 < rxr> ok
16:37 < rxr> ic - valentin is not at home ...
16:37 < rxr> missed that he is at work ...
16:40 < valentin> rxr: yes
16:40 < valentin> you can call me at mom
16:40 < valentin> see query
16:44 < morfoh> cu later guys ... I've to hurry
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17:04 < rxr> http://www.altera.com/products/devices/stratix2/st2-index.jsp
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17:14 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:14 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
17:14 [Users #t2]
17:14 [ [lewellyn]] [ CIA-7] [ mnemoc_ ] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
17:14 [ _Lewellyn ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ]
17:14 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mipe ] [ netrunner] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
17:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
17:14 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:15 < rxr_> hm - what the h*ll ...
17:15 < rxr_> gcc installs a defect specs file ...
17:15 < rxr_> I think I just patch gcc to not install the spec file at all ...
17:16 < mipe> 3.4.4?
17:16 < rxr_> nope
17:16 < rxr_> I fix to get away with this hack that causes problems for our *64 builds ..
17:17 < mipe> oh i have amd64 booted up now
17:17 < rxr_> cool
17:17 < rxr_> fix in about 15 minutes or so
17:17 < rxr_> when my patch built ...
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17:24 < sepp> how can i debug xorg, so that it does not leave the tty? the documented -keeptty does not work :(
17:26 < rxr> ouhm - do not know off hand
17:26 < rxr> what do you need to debug ?
17:35 < sepp> nevermind i will do it remote
17:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9605 /trunk/package/base/gcc/ (gcc.conf no-specs.patch):
17:41 < CIA-7> * removed the grave hack to copy crt* objects that cause major headache
17:41 < CIA-7> on bi-arch systems such as x86_64 and sparc64 this includes:
17:41 < CIA-7> * not install the specs file (gcc-4.x does not install it by default
17:41 < CIA-7> anyway)
17:42 * rxr powering up the sparc to continue the build ,-)
17:52 < mipe> hmm, i'd like to get T2 to mips (onyx4) platform, hmm have to ask on monday if they let me... :)
17:53 < rxr> mipe: at ROCK times mips built - would be cool if you could continue maintaining it ,-)
17:53 < mipe> yeah and bonus thing is i dont have to look at irix anymore,its a nightmare
17:54 * mipe off for while
18:06 < sepp> uhm via unichrome is a nightmare
18:07 < valentin> think i'll drive home
18:14 < CIA-7> rene * r9606 /trunk/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in):
18:14 < CIA-7> * fixed the minimal templates to not build linux-wacom but only the
18:14 < CIA-7> linux kernels
18:32 < rxr> sepp: oh - unichrome - what do you track 2d or 3d ?
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18:33 < rxr> hi mtr_
18:33 [Users #t2]
18:33 [ [lewellyn]] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ]
18:33 [ _Lewellyn ] [ mipe ] [ netrunner] [ SerWou ]
18:33 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
18:33 [ CIA-7 ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
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18:40 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/log/1-linux26.err
18:42 < sepp> rxr: 3d, 2d works - sort of
18:43 < rxr> ou
18:44 < rxr> debugging any 3d in X - especially this ugly DR* stuff is no fun ...
18:47 < sepp> hmm gdb is even worse - if it does not crash/freeze... it displays complete nonsense
18:48 < rxr> sepp: depending on the loader your x uses it must be patched IIRC to work with the X loader
18:48 < rxr> the new CVS X free does juse normal .so objects for the modules that does not require an modified gdb ...
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18:51 < sepp> yes i already patched gdb
18:51 < rxr> ah
18:51 < rxr> yeah - anyway - gdb always sucks ...
18:52 < rxr> don't ask me how much fun I have on advanced C++ code with it ...
18:53 < mipe> damm linux26 created files outside the $root
18:53 < rxr> mipe: saw it in your log ...
18:53 < rxr> looks like a new regression
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20:12 < valentin> re
20:13 < sparc-kly> hi
20:13 < valentin> hi sparc-kly
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20:22 < valentin> damn, all my keyshortcuts are gone too
20:22 < valentin> and i cannot configure them because of this gnome crap everywhere
21:07 < rxr> mnemoc_: ?
21:09 < valentin> hi rxr
21:10 < valentin> did you fix the three ä's i pasted you this morning ?
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21:40 < rxr> no
21:41 < mnemoc_> rxr: pong
21:41 < mnemoc_> rehi
21:42 < sepp> interesting how much complexity one can produce only to put things into the mem of a graphic board
21:44 < valentin> what is the default kde shortcut to toggle windows ? wasn't it -tab ?
21:50 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFE8F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
21:51 < morfoh> re hi :)
21:51 < mnemoc_> hi morfo!
21:51 < morfoh> mnemoc_: +h ;)
21:51 < mnemoc_> :)
21:51 < mnemoc_> morfoh: did you merge desktop thing to 2.1 and rc1?
21:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, how many children do you have ?
21:52 < mnemoc_> 2
21:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: yes, I merged it
21:52 < morfoh> haha :)
21:52 < mnemoc_> morfoh: thanks
21:52 < mnemoc_> why?
21:52 < mnemoc_> morfoh: are you sure you merged?
21:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: but I used the wrong log message syntax ... just copied the original one
21:53 < mnemoc_> sure?
21:53 < morfoh> oum yes
21:53 < morfoh> momen
21:54 < mnemoc_> ok, i'll merge it to the tag
21:55 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I was at rxr place before and we discussed some things. and of course we spoke about you ;) but rxr said you had 3 children and I were quite sure that there two little girlie -mnemocs
21:55 < mnemoc_> :)
21:56 < mnemoc_> 3 girls, two children and a wife :)
21:56 < morfoh> that was the simple reason for my question
21:56 < morfoh> yes :)
21:56 < CIA-7> amery * r9607 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged 9600 from 2.1: added java-dirtree to desktop target to hopefully fix bdb-java stuff
21:57 < morfoh> mnemoc_: r9600
21:57 < mnemoc_> 9600 was to 2.1 branch, 9607 was to rc1 tag
21:57 < morfoh> yes :)
21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc_: a new rc1 build for the iso is on the way ;)
21:58 < morfoh> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/desktop/regressions.html
21:58 < CIA-7> amery * r9608 /branches/2.1/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in): * merged 9606 from trunk: fixed the minimal templates to not build linux-wacom but only the linux kernels
21:59 < morfoh> mnemoc_: bootdisk too -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/bootdisk/regressions.html
21:59 < mnemoc_> :)
21:59 < morfoh> started both before I left the office
22:00 < mnemoc_> monster machine?
22:00 < morfoh> yes
22:01 < mnemoc_> how is www2. and trac going?
22:02 < morfoh> I'm 10min at home now and all you can ask is about www2 and trac :p
22:02 < mnemoc_> :D
22:02 < morfoh> hehe ... I'll start setting up trac this evening on the external machine
22:03 < CIA-7> amery * r9609 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in): * merged 9606 from trunk: fixed the minimal templates to not build linux-wacom but only the linux kernels
22:03 < mnemoc_> is rene replicating the repo on your box?
22:03 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, you've charme like a cactus .D
22:04 < morfoh> mnemoc_: we haven't discussed this topic
22:04 < mnemoc_> thanks :]
22:04 < morfoh> mnemoc_: :D
22:04 < mnemoc_> he said he can send you changesets dumps you can import
22:05 < [lewellyn]> mmm. cactus. tasty :)
22:05 < morfoh> I guess I can stick with a ro repo so far
22:05 < [lewellyn]> hoi, btw :)
22:05 < mnemoc_> hi [lewellyn]
22:05 < morfoh> hoi [lewellyn]
22:05 < mnemoc_> [lewellyn]: did you tried stone zope?
22:05 < [lewellyn]> no ;)
22:06 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: hoi you doing today ?
22:06 < [lewellyn]> honestly, i haven't had time for anything
22:06 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: oh! do you use zope ?
22:06 < [lewellyn]> i'm behind at work :(
22:06 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: i'm fighting with it as we speak :)
22:06 < [lewellyn]> Exception Type KeyError
22:06 < [lewellyn]> Exception Value name
22:06 < [lewellyn]> yay zope errors! :)
22:06 < morfoh> what you're fighting with exactly
22:07 < [lewellyn]> an in-house product that i actually wrote a while back, but did not document in the least
22:07 < [lewellyn]> (since i really had nowhere to document it at the time)
22:07 < mnemoc_> how does mod_python performs?
22:08 < morfoh> mnemoc_: why do you ask ?
22:09 < [lewellyn]> i've never used mod_python
22:09 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, I don't ike apache but I've to use it for trac including mod_python :|
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22:10 < mnemoc_> morfoh: how does it feels?
22:10 < mnemoc_> hi netrunne1
22:10 < morfoh> mnemoc_: but I could use it with some tiny cgi capable webserver
22:10 < mnemoc_> i need apache :)
22:11 < [lewellyn]> apache does more than simple page serving :)
22:11 < mnemoc_> yep
22:11 < morfoh> what else ? consuming memory ?
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22:13 < mnemoc_> morfoh: http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html <--- is this your dream?
22:13 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: webdav, caching proxy, etc.
22:13 < [lewellyn]> i've had apache do some very fun stuff with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite
22:14 < morfoh> what are you using webdav for ?
22:14 < [lewellyn]> i.e. if you're coming from this host, wit this referrer, you will hit this page on this other host, transparently.
22:15 < mnemoc_> [lewellyn]: ktcpvs :)
22:15 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: that was what i set up as our network file system at my last job; they needed a web-based interface and it was free that way.
22:15 < [lewellyn]> plus it was supported by both the macs and windows
22:15 < [lewellyn]> ktcpvs?
22:15 < morfoh> hehe ... nice :)
22:15 < [lewellyn]> if i had my way, the windows boxes would have gotten an nfs client :)
22:16 < [lewellyn]> but "no new software" was key
22:18 < mnemoc_> [lewellyn]: ktcpvs is like ipvs but on layer-7
22:19 < valentin> someone tell me how to switch windows in kde ?
22:20 < [lewellyn]> ipvs?
22:20 < [lewellyn]> and i see a reference to the osi model...
22:20 < [lewellyn]> you scare me mnemoc_ :)
22:21 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org
22:21 < [lewellyn]> oh. i generally do not use linux :)
22:21 < morfoh> .oO( yeah indeed this mnemoc_ is a hard nut )o :)
22:21 < mnemoc_> o_O
22:21 < [lewellyn]> i load balance differently :)
22:22 < [lewellyn]> but the case i was referring to wasn't for load balancing
22:22 < [lewellyn]> it was for warez kiddies
22:22 < [lewellyn]> :)
22:22 < mnemoc_> ktcpvs does that work on kernel space :)
22:22 < [lewellyn]> they'd get a special image from us
22:23 < [lewellyn]> but hten i'd have to trust production machines to linux
22:23 < mnemoc_> what do you use? redmond's?
22:24 < [lewellyn]> i generally use solaris, hp/ux, aix, or freebsd.
22:24 < mnemoc_> hpux sticks
22:24 < [lewellyn]> i am a fan of larger machines than typically run linux :)
22:24 < [lewellyn]> hpux has its uses
22:24 < mnemoc_> like?
22:25 < [lewellyn]> well, there is certain database software used in enterprise applications that performs better on hpux due to how it manages memory
22:26 < mnemoc_> ic
22:26 < [lewellyn]> of course, in at least one case, "performs better" is "vs the only other platform we release for: aix"
22:26 < mnemoc_> hehe
22:28 < [lewellyn]> __traceback_info__: 'Pl' + str(repeat['name'].number()) + ': ' + metadata['1_control_' + str(segment)]['description'] or None
22:28 < [lewellyn]> erm. hi.
22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc_: do you use ktcpvs in production ?
22:31 < morfoh> mnemoc_: [VServer 2.0] coming soon... (rc4 available) :)
22:34 < mnemoc_> morfoh: currently i'm not using ipvs or vserver or ktcpvs
22:43 < sepp> someone knows a good lightweight notebook <1000 euros that works well with linux?
22:44 < [lewellyn]> i've been looking at an acer, but 2 issues:
22:44 < [lewellyn]> 1) i am not sure of its bsd/linux support yet
22:44 < [lewellyn]> 2) i have no clue as to acer's current quality
22:45 < mnemoc_> acer has been in chile for more than 20 years
22:46 < sepp> i used a brick like toshiba (hibernation was great) but i want something under 2kg
22:47 * morfoh don't like acer :|
22:48 < [lewellyn]> acer used to suck, but i have heard nothing about them in the past 7 or 8 years really
22:48 < morfoh> sepp: btw hi :)
22:48 < sepp> hi morfho :)
22:48 < sepp> morfoh *
22:49 < mnemoc_> mopho?
22:49 < morfoh> yes
22:50 < sepp> i borrowed a averatec 3250 but this via unichrome makes me crazy
22:50 < [lewellyn]> sepp: btw, this is the model i've been looking at http://evilurl.com/SEMENFECESCOCK
22:51 < morfoh> sepp: the problem will be to get a good lightweight notebook for < 1000 Euro
22:51 < [lewellyn]> seems to be the most features for the money, by far.
22:51 < [lewellyn]> unsure what they run in .eu though
22:52 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: take a livecd and test it in the store ;)
22:53 < [lewellyn]> i can't find any stores carrying it
22:53 < [lewellyn]> (plus, i can't get the livecd to boot my dell here, still ;) )
22:53 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: I could check it at a store here where a friend is working ... they have a lot of acer notebooks there ;)
22:54 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: please do! i'd be interested in the lspci output :)
22:54 < sepp> i dont need a dvdrw+-*/ or bluetooth or other crap
22:55 < [lewellyn]> a few of my main criteria are: < US$800, > 15" lcd, > 1024x768 resolution, builtin 802.11b/g
22:55 < [lewellyn]> anything else really is icing on the cake
22:55 < mnemoc_> dell are cheap and tend to work fine under linux
22:55 < [lewellyn]> oh. and cardbus slot
22:55 < [lewellyn]> no, dells are not this cheap :)
22:56 < morfoh> If I had to choose between I would prefer acer not dell
22:57 < mnemoc_> i was told dell support was good on real countries
22:57 < sepp> i search something like averatec 3250 - without dvd*, wifi would be ok
22:57 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: indeed the specs are nice
22:57 < sepp> but not with via unichrome
22:58 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: yes, which makes me almost want to purchase it anyway
22:59 < [lewellyn]> sepp: a dvd-rom is a plus for me, as i have a firewire dvd+-rw
22:59 < [lewellyn]> but, beyond my requirements listed above, it's all icing on the cake.
22:59 < morfoh> btw, acer was the winner in support tests in europe last 2 years I think
22:59 < [lewellyn]> and only this one model fulfills all my needs :(
23:00 < sepp> [lewellyn]: i have a dvd-rw* at home i dont need one in a notebook
23:00 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: so that means they stopped making crap that falls apart if you look at it funny?
23:00 < [lewellyn]> sepp: well, i'm living in a hotel for the next year or so. a very small room. so i will be using this as my primary machine, and not in my room.
23:00 < [lewellyn]> which is why wifi is key
23:00 < valentin> btw, rxr: the new bitmaps you created have no transparent background
23:01 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: seems that they increased they knowledge regarding notebooks due to the buy of the laptop division of TI
23:01 < morfoh> hi valentin
23:01 < [lewellyn]> aha
23:02 < mnemoc_> hi valentin
23:02 < [lewellyn]> oh ya. one issue with that laptop: battery life...
23:03 < [lewellyn]> and it's probably too heavy for sepp
23:03 < valentin> hi
23:03 < sepp> that is no issue for me since even trains support laptop users
23:04 < [lewellyn]> ya, i can wander into any coffee shop here and get online and plug in.
23:04 < [lewellyn]> and our trains have outlets, too, so ya... :/
23:04 < [lewellyn]> bus rides would be my largest concern
23:05 < sepp> i guess in the eu we dont use multi h bus trips like in the us
23:06 < morfoh> my new laptop must be a lightweight
23:06 < sepp> last time i was in a bus for >30 minutes was 1999
23:07 < [lewellyn]> heh. a bus ride across town is easily 45 minutes
23:07 < [lewellyn]> bus -> cable car -> subway -> bus to get from the hotel to my g/f's house about 6 miles away.
23:07 < [lewellyn]> 45 mins-1 hour
23:07 < mnemoc_> i have to take a 1:30h bus to univ.
23:08 < sepp> morfoh: 1:30 bus???
23:08 < sepp> mnemoc_:*
23:08 < mnemoc_> plus 15m from home to bus, and 30m on subway from bus station to university :)
23:09 < sepp> wow
23:10 < morfoh> sepp: we're living in the north ;)
23:10 < mnemoc_> :)
23:10 < sepp> morfoh: dresden
23:10 < sepp> 3 minutes to leave the town only walking
23:11 < morfoh> sepp: :)
23:11 < sepp> 20 minutes to reach the other end
23:11 < sepp> with bike
23:11 < mnemoc_> we changed trains for buses and trucks about 80 years ago. long country isn't good for train business
23:13 < mnemoc_> it's funny to see a country with only one highway :p
23:13 < valentin> wow - i am quite impressed. kde even handles mixed english/hebrew text selection correctly
23:13 < mnemoc_> o_O
23:14 < valentin> sepp: where in dresden do you live ?
23:14 < mnemoc_> valentin: english on hebrew text or one line from the left and one from the right?
23:14 < sepp> valentin: border plauen/loebtau
23:14 < valentin> both, even "mixed mode" in single line
23:15 < valentin> sepp: we had been to dresden in March
23:15 < CIA-7> amery * r9610 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc: * updated bglibs (1.020 -> 1.022)
23:15 < sepp> valentin: "we" ?
23:15 < sepp> was it the linux meeting thing?
23:15 < mnemoc_> valentin+not(valentin)
23:15 < valentin> mnemoc_: in konqueror, click http://he.wikipedia.org, then click on the wikipedia bitmap and select in the url line
23:16 < valentin> sepp: nope, me and my girl
23:16 < sepp> ahh ok
23:16 < mnemoc_> valentin: mozilla encondes it
23:17 < valentin> mnemoc_: is that good or bad ?
23:17 < mnemoc_> good for me, bad for hebrews
23:24 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
23:24 * rxr on the way into bed ...
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc_: you have three childs, right?
23:24 < valentin> mnemoc_: three ?
23:26 < rxr> or where there two? But I think tree, right?
23:27 < valentin> no, two
23:28 < rxr> only two .-(
23:28 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw the wine is indeed nice ,-)
23:29 < rxr> so - we showering and off into bed ...
23:30 < valentin> sleep well rxr
23:30 < sepp> i will leave now and have some DR* nightmare dreams - good night *
23:31 < valentin> gn8 sepp
23:31 < morfoh> rxr: I told you! ;)
23:34 < valentin> i thik i follow you
23:34 < valentin> think even
23:34 < valentin> gn8
23:34 < morfoh> good night valentin
23:39 < rxr> mnemoc_: and please drop a note how many kids you have running around - *g* - thanks !
23:39 < rxr> n8 all
23:39 < morfoh> rxr: :)
23:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: i have 3 girls, 2 children and a wife :)
23:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: merlot is a very nice variety
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23:51 < mnemoc_> ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/gnupg/ <--- empty o_O
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00:00 < mnemoc> at home i drink water and coke at work... coffee just when i have to pass awake.
00:01 < morfoh> :)
00:02 < morfoh> but you've to stop supporting cocacola ... please ...
00:02 < mnemoc> yes
00:03 < morfoh> I think you know more stories about them from south america than me ...
00:05 < mnemoc> :)
00:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: what was the svn merge syntax again ... wanna merge r9599 into branch and tag
00:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't forget tomorrow is the big day!
00:07 < mnemoc> svn merge -r(n-1):n $path_to_trunk_workingcopy $path_to_21_workingcopy
00:09 < [lewellyn]> he meant cocaine, not coca cola, i think ;)
00:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can I forget if there is someone remembering me wit such a charme :p
00:10 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: who ?
00:12 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: you think mnemoc takes coca*ne at work + coffee ... nah! ... :)
00:12 < [lewellyn]> it was a joke :)
00:12 < morfoh> I know :)
00:13 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: you are from SF right ?
00:13 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: yes
00:13 < [lewellyn]> and i'm thinking lately that cocaine is less damaging than coca-cola
00:13 < morfoh> ohoh! wrong thoughts
00:13 < morfoh> both are very unhealthy
00:14 < [lewellyn]> yes, they are.
00:14 < morfoh> but ... cacaine will manipulate your brain in a non-revertable way
00:14 < morfoh> cocaine
00:14 < [lewellyn]> as will the chemicals in coca-cola ;)
00:14 < [lewellyn]> especially diet.
00:14 < morfoh> yes :)
00:15 < morfoh> I'm wondering about so many people eating fat burgers ... but they just drink diet coke :)
00:15 < [lewellyn]> i find it amusing that everyone has jumped over to sucralose so quickly; i know of zero long-term health studies of it
00:15 < morfoh> what a brainwash
00:15 < mnemoc> dumb question from console boy to desktop gurus: why dot can say: Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman
00:15 < mnemoc> if $ fc-list Times-Roman
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Bold Italic
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Bold
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Italic
00:15 < mnemoc> Times:style=Regular
00:16 < [lewellyn]> i suppose it's like me; all the drugs i do consist of alcohol and nicotine :)
00:16 * [lewellyn] knows little about gui crap. if i can get an xterm i am happy! :)
00:17 < morfoh> console boy ... first you've to learn ... writing well formed questions and not just pasting around :p
00:17 < morfoh> same here too
00:17 < mnemoc> :(
00:17 < morfoh> don't cry
00:18 < mnemoc> i'll ask at gentoo! :)
00:18 < morfoh> you can try to wake up rxr
00:18 < mnemoc> or ubuntu
00:18 < morfoh> but he is bashing around atm
00:18 < mnemoc> hehe
00:18 < morfoh> yes .... ask them ...
00:18 < morfoh> :)
00:19 < [lewellyn]> leave us poor cli users alone with your evil font problems :)
00:19 < morfoh> but you've to be careful
00:19 < [lewellyn]> yes. be careful. mention that you love compiling a few times before asking :)
00:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: if you're away for more than 5min. I'll call the police ... to search for you
00:20 < [lewellyn]> btw, what ever happened to the assisted pregnancy thinger that the pope recommended against voting on?
00:21 < morfoh> .... the new chef is following the line I guess ... ask mnemoc ... he's more involved I think
00:21 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: no idea... i din't vote :)
00:22 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: my 4 years girl used the to paint
00:22 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: btw, do you know "The Dungeon Family" from ATL ?
00:22 < mnemoc> them*
00:23 < mnemoc> uhm... i have to pick my girls up.... back in 30 minutes
00:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: hurry hurry ... it's not good to let a girl wait ... and especially not 2 of them
00:24 < morfoh> they will kick papa's ***
00:24 < mnemoc> and the third will arive in two hours :)
00:25 < mnemoc> cu
00:25 < morfoh> now you can laugh
00:25 < morfoh> cu
00:25 < mnemoc> yep :p
00:25 < mnemoc> cu
00:27 < valentin> very short re
00:27 < morfoh> hi valentin :)
00:28 * [lewellyn] has never heard of "The Dungeon Family"
00:30 < valentin> cu
00:30 < morfoh> cu
00:31 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: it's the crew around outkast, goodie mob, ... and co.
00:32 < [lewellyn]> those names mean nothing to me...
00:34 < morfoh> btw, whats you age ? just if you want to share this information :)
00:34 < morfoh> your
00:35 < morfoh> what kind of music do you listening to ?
00:36 < CIA-7> chris * r9600 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * added java-dirtree to desktop target to hopefully fix bdb-java stuff
00:37 < [lewellyn]> i'm 25, and tend to vaoid popular music.
00:37 < [lewellyn]> avoid
00:40 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: I'm 29 and I avoid pop music too ... and I grew up with RAP and HIP-HOP from the US
00:40 < morfoh> but I don't like this ass/money shaking
00:41 < [lewellyn]> rap and hip-hop is popular still :)
00:42 < morfoh> yes of course
00:43 < morfoh> but I grew up with public enemy and other "veterans" ... which made no pop I think
00:46 < morfoh> so what do you prefer ... ?
00:56 < [lewellyn]> public enemy was on mtv. i can't say the same for most of the things i come across
00:56 < [lewellyn]> i don't even recognize the names of half the stuff on my ipod, other than the fact that they make one song i like and no one else has ever heard of them
00:57 < [lewellyn]> though, i'm going to probably go pick up the new negativland album this weekend
00:59 < morfoh> yeah ... I don't watch TV anymore :)
01:00 < morfoh> one day my TV was (I thinkthe "rat" manipulate it before :)
01:01 < morfoh> was broken
01:03 < morfoh> ok ... will go sleep now ... cu later ... (but not on MTV ;)
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01:17 < mnemoc> re
02:47 < [lewellyn]> re
02:50 < [lewellyn]> mnemoc: what's your zope skill level?
02:51 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: null
02:51 < [lewellyn]> bah :)
02:52 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: i have one running, but i have never coded on it
02:52 < [lewellyn]> ok.
02:56 < mnemoc> why?
02:57 < mnemoc> are you zope developer?
02:58 < [lewellyn]> i've been accused of it.
02:58 < [lewellyn]> ;)
02:58 < [lewellyn]> i jsut had a question that SHOULD have an easier solution (and more robust solution) than what i think i'm settling on.
02:59 < [lewellyn]> items in the query portion of the url only show up if they have a value, unless you use the raw QUERY_STRING :(
03:01 < mnemoc> oh
03:01 < mnemoc> had thing
03:01 < mnemoc> bad*
03:02 < [lewellyn]> ya. ended up with: condition="python:request.QUERY_STRING.find('test') != -1"
03:02 < mnemoc> doesn't it have the tipical if (has(thing)) foo=get(thing); ?
03:03 < mnemoc> testit=foo <--- fail :)
03:03 < [lewellyn]> which is far less practical than: condition="request/test|nothing"
03:03 < [lewellyn]> that latter syntax would only work if i forced people to use, say... test=1
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04:58 < [lewellyn]> re sparc-kly
05:31 < mnemoc> *yawn*
05:32 < [lewellyn]> mnemoc: go back to sleep. it's barely sunrise for you :)
05:32 < mnemoc> here? nah
05:32 < [lewellyn]> oh ya.
05:32 < mnemoc> 23:33 :)
05:32 < [lewellyn]> taht's right.
05:32 < mnemoc> i still working
05:32 < [lewellyn]> now you should just go to bed the first time :)
05:32 < [lewellyn]> same here.
05:32 < mnemoc> :)
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05:33 < [lewellyn]> i got permission to leave before midnight tonite :)
05:33 < mnemoc> :)
05:33 < mnemoc> are you free tomorrow?
05:35 < [lewellyn]> so forward!
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06:10 < mnemoc> oh... i haven't noticed my zope stone module supports wildcards :p
06:11 < mnemoc> side effect of using bash as backend :)
06:17 < [lewellyn]> zope stone?
06:17 < [lewellyn]> around here, that would be welcomed
06:17 < [lewellyn]> i'm the only one who isn't out to stone zope! ;)
06:17 < mnemoc> it's only on T2 ;)
06:17 < mnemoc> not rock
06:19 < mnemoc> did you migrate?
06:19 < mnemoc> anyone, stone API haven't changed, so you can just copy it
06:19 < mnemoc> anyway*
06:22 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/zope/zope/stone_mod_zope.sh
06:28 < [lewellyn]> no, i haven't upgraded yet. not till i can get a booting livecd to know what i will need to do to my kernel so that i can then upgrade to t2 :(
06:28 < [lewellyn]> and i was referring to my office's general hatred for zope.
06:29 < [lewellyn]> i.e. a stone made just for hurling at zope would be welcomed.
06:29 < mnemoc> that module currently 'just' helps with symlinking and product versions installation and updating
06:30 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: what i'm i missing:
06:30 < mnemoc> File "/srv/conosur/conosur.0/intranet/Products/CMFonFive/fiveactionstool.py", line 24, in ?
06:30 < mnemoc> from zope.app.publisher.browser.globalbrowsermenuservice import \
06:30 < mnemoc> ImportError: No module named zope.app.publisher.browser.globalbrowsermenuservice
06:31 < [lewellyn]> what the hell is zope.app.publisher.browser.globalbrowsermenuservice? o_O
06:33 < rxr> re
06:34 < mnemoc> moin rxr
06:35 < mnemoc> [lewellyn]: are products loaded in simple dir order on Products/ dir?
06:35 < mnemoc> Products/CMFonFive seems to depend on Products/Five
06:35 < [lewellyn]> they should be loaded in the same order that python normally parses the path
06:35 < [lewellyn]> though i do recall it being alphabetical
06:36 < mnemoc> can i just rename Five to be before CMFonFive ?
06:37 < [lewellyn]> um. sure? :)
06:37 < [lewellyn]> why not do the other way around though?
06:37 < [lewellyn]> CMFonFive -> FiveCMF
06:38 < mnemoc> that will hurt stone zope...
06:38 < [lewellyn]> how so?
06:39 < [lewellyn]> and where did these names come from?
06:39 < mnemoc> CPSSharedCalendar
06:39 < mnemoc> stone zope has a set of 'product containers' where products are installed, /opt/zope/products on T2 by default
06:40 < mnemoc> it parse dir names of dirs with __init__.py
06:40 < [lewellyn]> and CPSSharedCalendar (whatever that is) normally uses these names just fine?
06:40 < mnemoc> no idea :)
06:41 < mnemoc> and search for different installations (versions) of the product
06:41 < [lewellyn]> personally, i like finding out how things are supposed to be used before i go and break them :)
06:41 < mnemoc> http://svn.nuxeo.org/trac/pub/ticket/647
06:41 < mnemoc> that's what i found
06:41 < [lewellyn]> let me finish my current zope deployment before i get sidetracked :)
06:42 < [lewellyn]> it's only 47 exports/imports, so it should be fairly quick
06:42 < mnemoc> hehe, ok :)
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07:08 < rxr> http://www.dlldump.com/
07:08 < rxr> nice wource to inject randomly missing dlls into wine ...
07:10 < mnemoc> *click*
07:11 < mnemoc> *bookmarked*
07:19 < rxr> though I have no idea if they are malwared ...
07:20 < mnemoc> in god we trust.... well they do
07:21 < [lewellyn]> btw, there are pay services that will guarantee the random dll will not contain a virus or malware.
07:21 < [lewellyn]> but they include malware dlls in the list :/
07:25 < mnemoc> :(
07:27 < [lewellyn]> i did not look at that particular list
07:28 < [lewellyn]> just referring to others i have seen in the past
07:41 < mnemoc> n8 [lewellyn], rxr
07:42 < rxr> n8 mnemoc
07:49 < [lewellyn]> n8
07:49 * [lewellyn] goes too
07:50 < rxr> cu [lewellyn]
07:51 < [lewellyn]> rxr: have a good day :)
07:52 < rxr> and you a good night ,-)
07:54 < [lewellyn]> i will try.
07:54 * [lewellyn] poofs
07:56 < rxr> 07:50:58 Exception thrown (d:\work\px3\trouble\tests.cpp, 958).^M
07:56 < rxr> ^- what filenames people hardcode into their binaries ...
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08:23 < valentin> moin
08:23 < rxr> moin
08:24 < valentin> hm, german posting
08:54 < rxr> wine is a touchy crappy stuff ...
08:54 < rxr> how those coders could have such a config nightmare out of it is a riddle for me
08:54 < valentin> did you utf8-edit the file yet ?
08:55 < rxr> nope
08:55 < rxr> I could now ...
09:08 < valentin> does it 'make' ?
09:09 < valentin> ah, thank you
09:09 < rxr> ah - no make not test
09:09 < rxr> ed
09:09 < rxr> but committed
09:13 < valentin> it works
09:13 < valentin> i just write the install code now
09:13 < rxr> cool - I also started a test build on the iBook ...
09:16 < valentin> hm, is there sth like bash -e which directly executes shell code ?
09:16 < valentin> like bash -xyz 'for x in * ; do ....'
09:17 < rxr> I think so
09:18 < rxr> -c ?
09:18 < rxr> bash -c "echo a"
09:18 < rxr> bash -c 'for x in {a,b,c}{1,2} ; do echo $x ; done'
09:18 < rxr> works
09:18 < valentin> fucking make
09:19 < valentin> how do i use $var in make ?
09:19 < rxr> in make?
09:19 < rxr> $() ?
09:19 < valentin> no matter how i quote or escape it
09:19 < valentin> no
09:19 < rxr> for the bash code ?
09:19 < valentin> shell var
09:19 < valentin> yes
09:19 < rxr> does \\ not work
09:19 < rxr> ?
09:19 < rxr> \\$x ...
09:19 < valentin> /bin/sh -c 'for l in locale/*/*.gmo ; do echo \\ ; done'
09:19 < valentin> so it does still not work
09:20 < valentin> no matter how i quote
09:21 < rxr> hm
09:21 < rxr> I saw ugly quoting in Makefiles - however they did not burn into my brain too well ...
09:21 < rxr> btw. please convert to use install for installation
09:21 < rxr> with cp you can not install when netconf is running ...
09:22 < rxr> text file busy
09:22 < valentin> yes, how would you fix that ?
09:22 < valentin> ah $$ works
09:24 < rxr> just use install instead of cp as I wrote above
09:24 < rxr> 09:21 < rxr> btw. please convert to use install for installation
09:24 < rxr> a mv would also do - but then you would move away your built file ...
09:24 < rxr> so install does the same ,-)
09:24 < valentin> and this works ?
09:25 < rxr> yes - unlike cp it unlinks the file first - cp does try to write into the existintg inode ...
09:25 < rxr> the unlinked file stays mapped into memory and hidden on disk until the executable quits ...
09:25 < valentin> i like it though.. you always see if the app is still running
09:25 < valentin> saves you time for searching ,)
09:26 < CIA-7> rene * r9601 /trunk/package/network/amule/amule.desc: * updated amule (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
09:26 < rxr> valentin: you are the fist one screaming an in-system Emerge fails ..
09:26 < rxr> due to "text file busy" ...
09:28 < valentin> it was just a joke
09:28 < rxr> hey I get a file at 56kB ...
09:28 < valentin> damn, my kde controll center is "empty" ??
09:28 < valentin> oh fuck
09:28 < rxr> and @ 256 kbit/s it even sound like a file you wanna listen to ...
09:28 < valentin> i smashed my kde config
09:28 < valentin> at least it is german now
09:29 < valentin> newer abort kde settings wizzard
09:30 < valentin> rxr: can you fix three more errors ?
09:30 < valentin> first profile should translate into Profil
09:30 < valentin> or wait
09:30 < valentin> ok, forget that
09:30 < valentin> second, device is not utf8
09:30 < valentin> third loeschen is missspelled
09:32 < valentin> Waehlverfahren no utf8
09:32 < valentin> and Authentification -> Authentifizierung
09:33 < valentin> that was the stuff i found ad-hoc
09:34 < valentin> how is this kde wizzard called again ?
09:36 < rxr> kde wizzard?
09:36 < rxr> kpersonalizer ?
09:39 < valentin> thx
09:40 < valentin> hint: never abort it in the middle of operation...
09:41 < valentin> damn, still half of my icons are gone
09:41 < valentin> and my controll center and stuff
09:42 < rxr> hm
09:42 < valentin> and it is completly broken
09:42 < rxr> == 09:26:32 =[9]=> Building multimedia/blender [2.37 2.2.0-alpha].
09:42 < valentin> damn, i restart my kde
09:42 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 8.97% (61 hits, 619 misses)
09:42 < valentin> if that does not work i have to kill my config :(
09:42 < CIA-7> rene * r9602 /trunk/package/multimedia/blender/blender.desc: * updated blender (2.36 -> 2.37)
09:44 < valentin> shit - i ruined my kde
09:44 < valentin> i'll search later
09:44 < valentin> cur
09:44 < valentin> cu even
10:40 < CIA-7> rene * r9603 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/ole32-stubmanager.patch:
10:40 < CIA-7> * fix certain setup.exe's to start up - since it is not really an error
10:40 < CIA-7> - more a warning
10:53 < valentin> wtf...
10:53 < valentin> deletet all .kde* stuff
10:53 < valentin> and still everything broken
10:54 < valentin> why is epihany thing my webbrowser ? why are all kde apps gone in the menu ?
11:00 < valentin> hm, i think my system is quite damaged
11:00 < valentin> :(
11:00 < valentin> must be something i emerged recently
11:00 < valentin> cu later
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11:01 < morfoh> moin
11:01 < rxr> moin
11:02 < morfoh> hi rxr, how are you today ?
11:03 < rxr> oh - well - well - however I would be better if Naturally Speaking would already be working in Wine ...
11:04 < morfoh> rxr: is this a "must have" for finishing the livecd project ?
11:07 < rxr> of course not - but it is a must have for me ...
11:07 < rxr> of course I only have on license not many to distribute with the livecd ,-)
11:08 < morfoh> ah ... ok :)
11:15 < rxr> where do you think will we meet today ?
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12:30 < CIA-7> rene * r9604 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/ (wine.conf wine.desc):
12:30 < CIA-7> * marked wine alpha (not beta) as it officially is
12:30 < CIA-7> * remove all debug confopts since the default of --disable-debug
12:30 < CIA-7> render this alpha wine useless ...
12:39 < morfoh> re hi
12:41 < rxr> morfoh: where do you tink will we meet later on ?
12:41 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... unfortune what do you propose ? I've to go to Berlin-Mitte at 17:00 for about 1h. ... I could take all my stuff with me and jumping out at your place while going back. How is your plan for today
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12:45 < rxr> if you are on the way to mitte your plan sound good
12:45 < rxr> hi tilix
12:45 < morfoh> Unfortunately I was a bit late at work because I didn't hear the alarm ... so I've to stay here a bit longer
12:47 < tilix> hi
12:47 < morfoh> hi tilix ... how is it in bulgaria ? :)
12:48 < tilix> cold :)
12:49 < morfoh> yeah ... same here too ... summer didn't arived yet
12:50 < rxr> summer? I tought we have autumn
12:50 < rxr> winter -> spring -> automn -> circle is closed - did I miss s.th.?
12:54 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps you missed sth. while hacking around :)
13:17 < rxr> I missed, for example, that the T2 lists includes Knoppix support
13:21 < morfoh> uhm? :|
13:21 < rxr> read the list ,-)
13:22 < tilix> whick list?
13:22 < tilix> which
13:23 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I've read it before ... did you asked him why he wrotes to the t2 ml and not asking the knoppix people ?
13:26 < rxr> tilix: the t2 list ? ,-)
13:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html
13:26 < tilix> oh
13:26 < tilix> :)
13:41 < rxr> Alternatives system 0.2.0
13:41 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/198505/
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15:06 < valentin> re
15:07 < rxr> hi valentin
15:07 < rxr> how was your day ?
15:07 < morfoh> hi don valentino :)
15:08 < valentin> besides that my kde is trashed and i still do not know why ...
15:12 < rxr> how commerical assembly code get's commented:
15:12 < rxr> jnc cal_do2
15:12 < rxr> call rd_ads ;\
15:12 < rxr> mov ah,10h ; \ ????
15:12 < rxr> call rd_dummy ; /
15:12 < rxr> call ptini ;/
15:12 < rxr> call mv2cl
15:14 < rxr> wow:
15:14 < rxr> cmp al,50h ;0101
15:14 < rxr> how verbose ...
15:16 < rxr> push ecx ;????
15:16 < rxr> mov ecx,2000 ;????
15:16 < rxr> loop $ ;????
15:17 < rxr> pop ecx ;????
15:17 < rxr> ...
15:17 < rxr> ouhm - well - now I get to a place with even more ???? ...
15:17 < rxr> boah - eleven lines marked questionable ...
15:21 < morfoh> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/3ubuntu.jpg
15:21 < morfoh>
15:21 < morfoh>
15:22 < morfoh> now we know what the gnome devel people are doing the whole day ;)
15:24 < rxr> ouhm
15:24 < rxr> you may not post porn here ... !!!
15:27 < rxr> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/warty-cover.jpg
15:27 < rxr> ??
15:27 < rxr> is this real?
15:27 < rxr> I mean do they really try to sell their crappy debian junk by sex ?
15:30 < rxr> uh
15:30 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ubuntu&btnG=Search
15:30 < rxr> I better do not look further ...
15:34 < rxr> I could pass this links to susan - in the hope she stops using gnome immediatly ...
15:34 < morfoh> rxr: sorry ... it wasn't my intention for posting porn ..
15:35 < valentin> praenti stopped rock develpment
15:35 < rxr> the google search revels more ...
15:36 < rxr> oops ...
15:38 < morfoh> valentin: what about inviting him to work on t2 ?
15:38 < rxr> morfoh: he writes he has no time ..
15:38 < rxr> and that he occiationally might update a package, so ...
15:38 < morfoh> ah! ok
15:38 < valentin> and he knows about t2
15:39 < rxr> ouhm:
15:39 < rxr> loop forback29
15:39 < rxr> how cool assembly hacking is ...
15:39 < rxr> "where the hell was that label" ...
15:41 < rxr> well - was an interesting scroll over a windows driver ...
15:41 < rxr> and "why I never would write it entriely in assembly" ...
16:17 < rxr> puhh - valentin dr. just called ...
16:17 < rxr> he is not upset so far - just wanted to know when the CD will arrive ...
16:28 < valentin> what did you answer ? ::)
16:29 < morfoh> regarding spamassassin issue ->
16:29 < morfoh>
16:29 < morfoh>
16:30 < morfoh> still segfaults even after another update to 3.0.4
16:30 < morfoh> it will be the only show stopper for the desktop target so far
16:31 < rxr> morfoh: it is no showstopper
16:31 < rxr> and I also think it is not spamassassin itself ...
16:32 < rxr> I can emerge the affected compononets on a not that important remote sever with older toolchain to see on what update this starts to appear ...
16:32 < rxr> valentin: that they will have it _soon_
16:32 < rxr> valentin: I call you, ok ?
16:32 < rxr> morfoh: when will you come over ?
16:33 < rxr> it would be cool if we would not hack the night today - since I hvae not seen susan for some days and we also want to have some time for us ...
16:33 < rxr> but I could hack embedded over the weekend of course
16:34 < morfoh> oh! I've to move I'm late ...
16:34 < morfoh> rxr: I guess around 18:30 -19:00 is that ok ?
16:37 < rxr> ok
16:37 < rxr> ic - valentin is not at home ...
16:37 < rxr> missed that he is at work ...
16:40 < valentin> rxr: yes
16:40 < valentin> you can call me at mom
16:40 < valentin> see query
16:44 < morfoh> cu later guys ... I've to hurry
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17:04 < rxr> http://www.altera.com/products/devices/stratix2/st2-index.jsp
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17:14 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:14 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
17:14 [Users #t2]
17:14 [ [lewellyn]] [ CIA-7] [ mnemoc_ ] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
17:14 [ _Lewellyn ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ]
17:14 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mipe ] [ netrunner] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
17:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
17:14 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:15 < rxr_> hm - what the h*ll ...
17:15 < rxr_> gcc installs a defect specs file ...
17:15 < rxr_> I think I just patch gcc to not install the spec file at all ...
17:16 < mipe> 3.4.4?
17:16 < rxr_> nope
17:16 < rxr_> I fix to get away with this hack that causes problems for our *64 builds ..
17:17 < mipe> oh i have amd64 booted up now
17:17 < rxr_> cool
17:17 < rxr_> fix in about 15 minutes or so
17:17 < rxr_> when my patch built ...
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17:24 < sepp> how can i debug xorg, so that it does not leave the tty? the documented -keeptty does not work :(
17:26 < rxr> ouhm - do not know off hand
17:26 < rxr> what do you need to debug ?
17:35 < sepp> nevermind i will do it remote
17:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9605 /trunk/package/base/gcc/ (gcc.conf no-specs.patch):
17:41 < CIA-7> * removed the grave hack to copy crt* objects that cause major headache
17:41 < CIA-7> on bi-arch systems such as x86_64 and sparc64 this includes:
17:41 < CIA-7> * not install the specs file (gcc-4.x does not install it by default
17:41 < CIA-7> anyway)
17:42 * rxr powering up the sparc to continue the build ,-)
17:52 < mipe> hmm, i'd like to get T2 to mips (onyx4) platform, hmm have to ask on monday if they let me... :)
17:53 < rxr> mipe: at ROCK times mips built - would be cool if you could continue maintaining it ,-)
17:53 < mipe> yeah and bonus thing is i dont have to look at irix anymore,its a nightmare
17:54 * mipe off for while
18:06 < sepp> uhm via unichrome is a nightmare
18:07 < valentin> think i'll drive home
18:14 < CIA-7> rene * r9606 /trunk/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in):
18:14 < CIA-7> * fixed the minimal templates to not build linux-wacom but only the
18:14 < CIA-7> linux kernels
18:32 < rxr> sepp: oh - unichrome - what do you track 2d or 3d ?
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18:33 < rxr> hi mtr_
18:33 [Users #t2]
18:33 [ [lewellyn]] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ]
18:33 [ _Lewellyn ] [ mipe ] [ netrunner] [ SerWou ]
18:33 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
18:33 [ CIA-7 ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
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18:40 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/log/1-linux26.err
18:42 < sepp> rxr: 3d, 2d works - sort of
18:43 < rxr> ou
18:44 < rxr> debugging any 3d in X - especially this ugly DR* stuff is no fun ...
18:47 < sepp> hmm gdb is even worse - if it does not crash/freeze... it displays complete nonsense
18:48 < rxr> sepp: depending on the loader your x uses it must be patched IIRC to work with the X loader
18:48 < rxr> the new CVS X free does juse normal .so objects for the modules that does not require an modified gdb ...
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18:51 < sepp> yes i already patched gdb
18:51 < rxr> ah
18:51 < rxr> yeah - anyway - gdb always sucks ...
18:52 < rxr> don't ask me how much fun I have on advanced C++ code with it ...
18:53 < mipe> damm linux26 created files outside the $root
18:53 < rxr> mipe: saw it in your log ...
18:53 < rxr> looks like a new regression
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20:12 < valentin> re
20:13 < sparc-kly> hi
20:13 < valentin> hi sparc-kly
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20:22 < valentin> damn, all my keyshortcuts are gone too
20:22 < valentin> and i cannot configure them because of this gnome crap everywhere
21:07 < rxr> mnemoc_: ?
21:09 < valentin> hi rxr
21:10 < valentin> did you fix the three ä's i pasted you this morning ?
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21:40 < rxr> no
21:41 < mnemoc_> rxr: pong
21:41 < mnemoc_> rehi
21:42 < sepp> interesting how much complexity one can produce only to put things into the mem of a graphic board
21:44 < valentin> what is the default kde shortcut to toggle windows ? wasn't it -tab ?
21:50 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFE8F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
21:51 < morfoh> re hi :)
21:51 < mnemoc_> hi morfo!
21:51 < morfoh> mnemoc_: +h ;)
21:51 < mnemoc_> :)
21:51 < mnemoc_> morfoh: did you merge desktop thing to 2.1 and rc1?
21:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, how many children do you have ?
21:52 < mnemoc_> 2
21:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: yes, I merged it
21:52 < morfoh> haha :)
21:52 < mnemoc_> morfoh: thanks
21:52 < mnemoc_> why?
21:52 < mnemoc_> morfoh: are you sure you merged?
21:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: but I used the wrong log message syntax ... just copied the original one
21:53 < mnemoc_> sure?
21:53 < morfoh> oum yes
21:53 < morfoh> momen
21:54 < mnemoc_> ok, i'll merge it to the tag
21:55 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I was at rxr place before and we discussed some things. and of course we spoke about you ;) but rxr said you had 3 children and I were quite sure that there two little girlie -mnemocs
21:55 < mnemoc_> :)
21:56 < mnemoc_> 3 girls, two children and a wife :)
21:56 < morfoh> that was the simple reason for my question
21:56 < morfoh> yes :)
21:56 < CIA-7> amery * r9607 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged 9600 from 2.1: added java-dirtree to desktop target to hopefully fix bdb-java stuff
21:57 < morfoh> mnemoc_: r9600
21:57 < mnemoc_> 9600 was to 2.1 branch, 9607 was to rc1 tag
21:57 < morfoh> yes :)
21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc_: a new rc1 build for the iso is on the way ;)
21:58 < morfoh> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/desktop/regressions.html
21:58 < CIA-7> amery * r9608 /branches/2.1/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in): * merged 9606 from trunk: fixed the minimal templates to not build linux-wacom but only the linux kernels
21:59 < morfoh> mnemoc_: bootdisk too -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/bootdisk/regressions.html
21:59 < mnemoc_> :)
21:59 < morfoh> started both before I left the office
22:00 < mnemoc_> monster machine?
22:00 < morfoh> yes
22:01 < mnemoc_> how is www2. and trac going?
22:02 < morfoh> I'm 10min at home now and all you can ask is about www2 and trac :p
22:02 < mnemoc_> :D
22:02 < morfoh> hehe ... I'll start setting up trac this evening on the external machine
22:03 < CIA-7> amery * r9609 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in): * merged 9606 from trunk: fixed the minimal templates to not build linux-wacom but only the linux kernels
22:03 < mnemoc_> is rene replicating the repo on your box?
22:03 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, you've charme like a cactus .D
22:04 < morfoh> mnemoc_: we haven't discussed this topic
22:04 < mnemoc_> thanks :]
22:04 < morfoh> mnemoc_: :D
22:04 < mnemoc_> he said he can send you changesets dumps you can import
22:05 < [lewellyn]> mmm. cactus. tasty :)
22:05 < morfoh> I guess I can stick with a ro repo so far
22:05 < [lewellyn]> hoi, btw :)
22:05 < mnemoc_> hi [lewellyn]
22:05 < morfoh> hoi [lewellyn]
22:05 < mnemoc_> [lewellyn]: did you tried stone zope?
22:05 < [lewellyn]> no ;)
22:06 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: hoi you doing today ?
22:06 < [lewellyn]> honestly, i haven't had time for anything
22:06 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: oh! do you use zope ?
22:06 < [lewellyn]> i'm behind at work :(
22:06 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: i'm fighting with it as we speak :)
22:06 < [lewellyn]> Exception Type KeyError
22:06 < [lewellyn]> Exception Value name
22:06 < [lewellyn]> yay zope errors! :)
22:06 < morfoh> what you're fighting with exactly
22:07 < [lewellyn]> an in-house product that i actually wrote a while back, but did not document in the least
22:07 < [lewellyn]> (since i really had nowhere to document it at the time)
22:07 < mnemoc_> how does mod_python performs?
22:08 < morfoh> mnemoc_: why do you ask ?
22:09 < [lewellyn]> i've never used mod_python
22:09 < morfoh> mnemoc_: btw, I don't ike apache but I've to use it for trac including mod_python :|
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22:10 < mnemoc_> morfoh: how does it feels?
22:10 < mnemoc_> hi netrunne1
22:10 < morfoh> mnemoc_: but I could use it with some tiny cgi capable webserver
22:10 < mnemoc_> i need apache :)
22:11 < [lewellyn]> apache does more than simple page serving :)
22:11 < mnemoc_> yep
22:11 < morfoh> what else ? consuming memory ?
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22:13 < mnemoc_> morfoh: http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html <--- is this your dream?
22:13 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: webdav, caching proxy, etc.
22:13 < [lewellyn]> i've had apache do some very fun stuff with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite
22:14 < morfoh> what are you using webdav for ?
22:14 < [lewellyn]> i.e. if you're coming from this host, wit this referrer, you will hit this page on this other host, transparently.
22:15 < mnemoc_> [lewellyn]: ktcpvs :)
22:15 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: that was what i set up as our network file system at my last job; they needed a web-based interface and it was free that way.
22:15 < [lewellyn]> plus it was supported by both the macs and windows
22:15 < [lewellyn]> ktcpvs?
22:15 < morfoh> hehe ... nice :)
22:15 < [lewellyn]> if i had my way, the windows boxes would have gotten an nfs client :)
22:16 < [lewellyn]> but "no new software" was key
22:18 < mnemoc_> [lewellyn]: ktcpvs is like ipvs but on layer-7
22:19 < valentin> someone tell me how to switch windows in kde ?
22:20 < [lewellyn]> ipvs?
22:20 < [lewellyn]> and i see a reference to the osi model...
22:20 < [lewellyn]> you scare me mnemoc_ :)
22:21 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org
22:21 < [lewellyn]> oh. i generally do not use linux :)
22:21 < morfoh> .oO( yeah indeed this mnemoc_ is a hard nut )o :)
22:21 < mnemoc_> o_O
22:21 < [lewellyn]> i load balance differently :)
22:22 < [lewellyn]> but the case i was referring to wasn't for load balancing
22:22 < [lewellyn]> it was for warez kiddies
22:22 < [lewellyn]> :)
22:22 < mnemoc_> ktcpvs does that work on kernel space :)
22:22 < [lewellyn]> they'd get a special image from us
22:23 < [lewellyn]> but hten i'd have to trust production machines to linux
22:23 < mnemoc_> what do you use? redmond's?
22:24 < [lewellyn]> i generally use solaris, hp/ux, aix, or freebsd.
22:24 < mnemoc_> hpux sticks
22:24 < [lewellyn]> i am a fan of larger machines than typically run linux :)
22:24 < [lewellyn]> hpux has its uses
22:24 < mnemoc_> like?
22:25 < [lewellyn]> well, there is certain database software used in enterprise applications that performs better on hpux due to how it manages memory
22:26 < mnemoc_> ic
22:26 < [lewellyn]> of course, in at least one case, "performs better" is "vs the only other platform we release for: aix"
22:26 < mnemoc_> hehe
22:28 < [lewellyn]> __traceback_info__: 'Pl' + str(repeat['name'].number()) + ': ' + metadata['1_control_' + str(segment)]['description'] or None
22:28 < [lewellyn]> erm. hi.
22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc_: do you use ktcpvs in production ?
22:31 < morfoh> mnemoc_: [VServer 2.0] coming soon... (rc4 available) :)
22:34 < mnemoc_> morfoh: currently i'm not using ipvs or vserver or ktcpvs
22:43 < sepp> someone knows a good lightweight notebook <1000 euros that works well with linux?
22:44 < [lewellyn]> i've been looking at an acer, but 2 issues:
22:44 < [lewellyn]> 1) i am not sure of its bsd/linux support yet
22:44 < [lewellyn]> 2) i have no clue as to acer's current quality
22:45 < mnemoc_> acer has been in chile for more than 20 years
22:46 < sepp> i used a brick like toshiba (hibernation was great) but i want something under 2kg
22:47 * morfoh don't like acer :|
22:48 < [lewellyn]> acer used to suck, but i have heard nothing about them in the past 7 or 8 years really
22:48 < morfoh> sepp: btw hi :)
22:48 < sepp> hi morfho :)
22:48 < sepp> morfoh *
22:49 < mnemoc_> mopho?
22:49 < morfoh> yes
22:50 < sepp> i borrowed a averatec 3250 but this via unichrome makes me crazy
22:50 < [lewellyn]> sepp: btw, this is the model i've been looking at http://evilurl.com/SEMENFECESCOCK
22:51 < morfoh> sepp: the problem will be to get a good lightweight notebook for < 1000 Euro
22:51 < [lewellyn]> seems to be the most features for the money, by far.
22:51 < [lewellyn]> unsure what they run in .eu though
22:52 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: take a livecd and test it in the store ;)
22:53 < [lewellyn]> i can't find any stores carrying it
22:53 < [lewellyn]> (plus, i can't get the livecd to boot my dell here, still ;) )
22:53 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: I could check it at a store here where a friend is working ... they have a lot of acer notebooks there ;)
22:54 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: please do! i'd be interested in the lspci output :)
22:54 < sepp> i dont need a dvdrw+-*/ or bluetooth or other crap
22:55 < [lewellyn]> a few of my main criteria are: < US$800, > 15" lcd, > 1024x768 resolution, builtin 802.11b/g
22:55 < [lewellyn]> anything else really is icing on the cake
22:55 < mnemoc_> dell are cheap and tend to work fine under linux
22:55 < [lewellyn]> oh. and cardbus slot
22:55 < [lewellyn]> no, dells are not this cheap :)
22:56 < morfoh> If I had to choose between I would prefer acer not dell
22:57 < mnemoc_> i was told dell support was good on real countries
22:57 < sepp> i search something like averatec 3250 - without dvd*, wifi would be ok
22:57 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: indeed the specs are nice
22:57 < sepp> but not with via unichrome
22:58 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: yes, which makes me almost want to purchase it anyway
22:59 < [lewellyn]> sepp: a dvd-rom is a plus for me, as i have a firewire dvd+-rw
22:59 < [lewellyn]> but, beyond my requirements listed above, it's all icing on the cake.
22:59 < morfoh> btw, acer was the winner in support tests in europe last 2 years I think
22:59 < [lewellyn]> and only this one model fulfills all my needs :(
23:00 < sepp> [lewellyn]: i have a dvd-rw* at home i dont need one in a notebook
23:00 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: so that means they stopped making crap that falls apart if you look at it funny?
23:00 < [lewellyn]> sepp: well, i'm living in a hotel for the next year or so. a very small room. so i will be using this as my primary machine, and not in my room.
23:00 < [lewellyn]> which is why wifi is key
23:00 < valentin> btw, rxr: the new bitmaps you created have no transparent background
23:01 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: seems that they increased they knowledge regarding notebooks due to the buy of the laptop division of TI
23:01 < morfoh> hi valentin
23:01 < [lewellyn]> aha
23:02 < mnemoc_> hi valentin
23:02 < [lewellyn]> oh ya. one issue with that laptop: battery life...
23:03 < [lewellyn]> and it's probably too heavy for sepp
23:03 < valentin> hi
23:03 < sepp> that is no issue for me since even trains support laptop users
23:04 < [lewellyn]> ya, i can wander into any coffee shop here and get online and plug in.
23:04 < [lewellyn]> and our trains have outlets, too, so ya... :/
23:04 < [lewellyn]> bus rides would be my largest concern
23:05 < sepp> i guess in the eu we dont use multi h bus trips like in the us
23:06 < morfoh> my new laptop must be a lightweight
23:06 < sepp> last time i was in a bus for >30 minutes was 1999
23:07 < [lewellyn]> heh. a bus ride across town is easily 45 minutes
23:07 < [lewellyn]> bus -> cable car -> subway -> bus to get from the hotel to my g/f's house about 6 miles away.
23:07 < [lewellyn]> 45 mins-1 hour
23:07 < mnemoc_> i have to take a 1:30h bus to univ.
23:08 < sepp> morfoh: 1:30 bus???
23:08 < sepp> mnemoc_:*
23:08 < mnemoc_> plus 15m from home to bus, and 30m on subway from bus station to university :)
23:09 < sepp> wow
23:10 < morfoh> sepp: we're living in the north ;)
23:10 < mnemoc_> :)
23:10 < sepp> morfoh: dresden
23:10 < sepp> 3 minutes to leave the town only walking
23:11 < morfoh> sepp: :)
23:11 < sepp> 20 minutes to reach the other end
23:11 < sepp> with bike
23:11 < mnemoc_> we changed trains for buses and trucks about 80 years ago. long country isn't good for train business
23:13 < mnemoc_> it's funny to see a country with only one highway :p
23:13 < valentin> wow - i am quite impressed. kde even handles mixed english/hebrew text selection correctly
23:13 < mnemoc_> o_O
23:14 < valentin> sepp: where in dresden do you live ?
23:14 < mnemoc_> valentin: english on hebrew text or one line from the left and one from the right?
23:14 < sepp> valentin: border plauen/loebtau
23:14 < valentin> both, even "mixed mode" in single line
23:15 < valentin> sepp: we had been to dresden in March
23:15 < CIA-7> amery * r9610 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc: * updated bglibs (1.020 -> 1.022)
23:15 < sepp> valentin: "we" ?
23:15 < sepp> was it the linux meeting thing?
23:15 < mnemoc_> valentin+not(valentin)
23:15 < valentin> mnemoc_: in konqueror, click http://he.wikipedia.org, then click on the wikipedia bitmap and select in the url line
23:16 < valentin> sepp: nope, me and my girl
23:16 < sepp> ahh ok
23:16 < mnemoc_> valentin: mozilla encondes it
23:17 < valentin> mnemoc_: is that good or bad ?
23:17 < mnemoc_> good for me, bad for hebrews
23:24 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
23:24 * rxr on the way into bed ...
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc_: you have three childs, right?
23:24 < valentin> mnemoc_: three ?
23:26 < rxr> or where there two? But I think tree, right?
23:27 < valentin> no, two
23:28 < rxr> only two .-(
23:28 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw the wine is indeed nice ,-)
23:29 < rxr> so - we showering and off into bed ...
23:30 < valentin> sleep well rxr
23:30 < sepp> i will leave now and have some DR* nightmare dreams - good night *
23:31 < valentin> gn8 sepp
23:31 < morfoh> rxr: I told you! ;)
23:34 < valentin> i thik i follow you
23:34 < valentin> think even
23:34 < valentin> gn8
23:34 < morfoh> good night valentin
23:39 < rxr> mnemoc_: and please drop a note how many kids you have running around - *g* - thanks !
23:39 < rxr> n8 all
23:39 < morfoh> rxr: :)
23:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: i have 3 girls, 2 children and a wife :)
23:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: merlot is a very nice variety
23:50 < CIA-7> amery * r9611 /trunk/package/audio/noteedit/noteedit.desc: * updated noteedit (2.8.0-b2 -> 2.8.0-rc1)
23:51 < mnemoc_> ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/gnupg/ <--- empty o_O
--- Log closed Sat Jun 11 00:00:59 2005