--- Log opened Mon Jun 06 00:00:57 2005
01:26 * _Lewellyn heads out of the office and grumbles that he didn't get to install t2 this weekend :(
01:26 < _Lewellyn> see you all tomorrow
01:35 < valentin> still awake ?
01:35 < valentin> cu _Lewellyn
01:37 < mnemoc> hi
01:39 < valentin> hi mnemoc
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01:39 < valentin> how are you ?
01:39 < mnemoc> fine, and you?
01:39 < valentin> quite good
01:39 < mnemoc> nice
01:39 < valentin> besides that i have to do some more stuff on netconf tonight
01:40 < mnemoc> there is an un-answered qustion aout t2@live on ML
01:40 < mnemoc> about*
01:40 < valentin> if there is no stabe-to-use version tomorow rxr will be quite disappointed
01:40 < mnemoc> when is your deadline?
01:41 < valentin> mnemoc: i read it, but i dod not know exactly what to answer
01:41 < valentin> we wanted to give them a version tomorow
01:41 < valentin> that is today
01:41 < valentin> monday
01:41 < mnemoc> uff
01:41 < valentin> this will not be final, but they want to use it as a pre-final test candidate
01:42 < valentin> how many errors left for 2.1 ?
01:43 < mnemoc> assuming ooo without java, 19 of 1587
01:43 < mnemoc> 1584
01:44 < mnemoc> balsa and spamassassin or the most important of those imo
01:44 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
01:45 < mnemoc> i didn't want to release rc1 without www2 working but... i seems jeru needs more time
01:46 < valentin> he seems to be quite busy theese days. we almost had a working plone, but he wants to implement sth in pure zope
01:46 < mnemoc> pure zope?
01:46 < valentin> when do you want to release ? as soon as those errors are fixed
01:46 < valentin> mnemoc: or whatever
01:47 < valentin> he quit some time ago, so we cannot ask
01:47 < mnemoc> rc1... it can be now or after blas and spamassasin gets fixed
01:48 < mnemoc> final needs some runtime testing and extra fixing
01:48 < mnemoc> s/blas/balsa/
01:51 < mnemoc> currently i'm trying to fix nvrec
01:52 < mnemoc> i don't understand how the failing part of balsa is coded
01:52 < mnemoc> and spamassassin was a nightmare
01:52 < mnemoc> i had the hope of rene fixing them but....
01:55 < valentin> you mean the segfault ?
01:56 < mnemoc> yes, and _N() thing on balsa
01:57 < valentin> did you contact the package authors ?
01:58 < valentin> gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic <- did you patch around in balsa ?
01:59 < mnemoc> me?
01:59 < mnemoc> nah
01:59 < mnemoc> about authors, this problems seems to be T2-only
01:59 < mnemoc> nothing similar on google or on their MLs
01:59 < valentin> ouhm
02:00 < valentin> at least the balsa ppl should be able to help you imo
02:00 < valentin> the segfault seems to be a pathologic erros
02:00 < valentin> error even
02:01 < valentin> but the other thing is a simple code thing - maybe due to some generated config.h stuff, but i think they can tell you
02:01 < valentin> if you give them the message
02:02 < mnemoc> ok, ... i'll subscribe :(
02:02 < valentin> what is the exact problem with gnome-sword ? i see no error message in the log
02:03 < mnemoc> libgtkhtml-3.0
02:03 < mnemoc> cvs only, not yet added as package
02:04 < valentin> well, who needs the bible *duck*
02:05 < mnemoc> :)
02:05 < mnemoc> i was about to move it to attic :p
02:05 < valentin> at least i think it is not a show-stopper when missing in 2.1
02:08 < mnemoc> gnomesword, of coruse not :)
02:10 < valentin> with a little chance jsaw will show up and fix it
02:12 < mnemoc> jsaw... i miss him
02:12 < valentin> he seems to be quite busy with thesis and family
02:34 < valentin> do you have a good idea how to get the current ppp status (besides parsing the logs)
02:35 < mnemoc> i parse `ip l` and `ip a` :(
02:37 < valentin> but i want connection time
02:43 < mnemoc> no idea
02:44 < valentin> :/
02:45 < mnemoc> what about log's modification date as reference?
02:46 < valentin> which log ?
02:47 < valentin> i could use the ppp?.pid
02:49 < mnemoc> i log to /var/log/ppp0/current
02:49 < mnemoc> but that's me :)
02:50 < mnemoc> ppp?.pid wont tell you _connection_ time
02:50 < mnemoc> just interface time
02:50 < valentin> hm, the default rocknet implementation does not do this
02:50 < valentin> think i have to pass an option, right ?
02:54 < mnemoc> i do it for runit
02:55 < mnemoc> i think debug does it
02:56 < valentin> hm, i am temped to try with my own connection *g*
02:56 < valentin> what else is logged into that file ? e.g connection errors due to line busy etc ?
02:56 < valentin> if i knew where kerstin hides her old serial modem i would try out
02:57 < valentin> i need to display status / errors
02:58 < mnemoc> yes
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03:24 < valentin> hi sparc-kly
03:27 < sparc-kly> hi :P
03:27 * sparc-kly wait for WWDC Keynote .
03:28 < valentin> you are there ?
03:29 < sparc-kly> no I hope that they clarify the rumor of intel-macs
03:29 < valentin> ah
03:29 < _Lewellyn> it's not bloody likely.
03:29 < _Lewellyn> :)
03:29 < valentin> sorry, to much hacking too late at night today
03:30 < _Lewellyn> 1) both apple and ibm have too much invested in bringing the g5 down to < 30 watts, making a dual-core g5, and making a g6.
03:30 < _Lewellyn> 2) xscale is popular right now and apple is a long-time xscale fan
03:30 < valentin> _Lewellyn: i think this is apples strategy to force ibm to lower their prices
03:30 < _Lewellyn> not likely
03:31 < _Lewellyn> apple sources their chips for less than they could get intel parts for
03:31 < valentin> _Lewellyn: 3) it will cost apple millions to port their system/software and support two processors
03:31 < _Lewellyn> some estimates say apple pays $90 per g4 to freescale and $120 per g5 to ibm.
03:32 < _Lewellyn> valentin: there are solutions to that :)
03:32 < _Lewellyn> there's transitive.com. there's fat binaries.
03:32 < valentin> there are emulators *g*
03:32 < valentin> btw: you should go to sleep
03:33 < valentin> when i look outside my window i see dawn rising
03:33 < _Lewellyn> my personal favorite speculation is that apple will get intel to make an on-die x86 translator and screw ms with their pos vpc. :)
03:33 < _Lewellyn> i know i should.
03:33 < _Lewellyn> the sun is going to be setting here soon.
03:33 < _Lewellyn> and my favorite bartender is now on duty.
03:33 < _Lewellyn> i guess i'll take a 7pm nightcap tonight
03:34 < valentin> no caffeine, but alcohol ... ts,ts
03:35 < _Lewellyn> it's bedtime. i can do caffeine and alcohol now.
03:35 < valentin> a trivial but amazing fact that it is the same sun that lights my horizon and sets on yours
03:36 < _Lewellyn> yes
03:36 < _Lewellyn> we are half a world apart, though. so it makes sense.
03:36 < _Lewellyn> well, not quite
03:37 < valentin> i guess more than half folowing the sun
03:38 < _Lewellyn> haha. www.maconintel.com
03:38 < sparc-kly> :S :S
03:43 < valentin> so my next apple will be an Xbox-360
03:43 < valentin> with a real ppc cpu
03:46 < _Lewellyn> my gamecube has a ppc :)
03:47 < valentin> i have one
03:47 < valentin> s/i/my girl
03:47 < _Lewellyn> that's actually why i got a gc vs a ps2.
03:47 < valentin> but it is quite tricky to get linux on it
03:47 < _Lewellyn> i have been wanting to learn ppc assembly for ages.
03:48 < _Lewellyn> and i don't care about linux
03:48 < valentin> i have a dreamcast
03:48 < _Lewellyn> i want to write my own stuff
03:48 < _Lewellyn> all ps2 had going for it was that you can run linux
03:48 < valentin> _Lewellyn: then you have the same problem with getting code on the gc
03:48 < _Lewellyn> i can do that on a 386.
03:48 < _Lewellyn> valentin: sd reader memory card and an action replay :)
03:49 < _Lewellyn> a 16mb card holds a lot of homebrew code
03:52 < _Lewellyn> ok. it's really time for me to go.
03:52 < valentin> you can even solder a 256 mb flash card to the plug
03:52 < valentin> cu _Lewellyn, have a nice morning
03:52 < _Lewellyn> eh. i want to be able to steal the card to use in my pc, palm, and camera :)
03:52 < _Lewellyn> no, you have a nice morning, i'll have a nice evening :)
03:53 < valentin> you can do that
03:53 < valentin> whatever
04:17 < valentin> any news from the keynote ?
05:27 < valentin> daybreak over, sun is starting to rise
05:40 < valentin> i think i will stay up and say good morning to rxr
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07:08 < valentin> damn, doc.trolltech.com down again
07:09 < valentin> i have the feeling the reconnect their servers every night
07:25 < rxr> re
07:26 < rxr> moin valentin
07:26 < valentin> hi rxr
07:26 < valentin> how are you ?
07:27 < rxr> oh - I slept - but still tired ...
07:27 < rxr> and you ? *g*
07:28 < valentin> well, i had a down around 4:30
07:28 < valentin> but now i am more awake again
07:29 < rxr> and how is your hacking ?
07:30 < valentin> ok, i did many things and fixed some bugs
07:31 < valentin> but for the ppp section i still have to play around with a real modem first
07:31 < valentin> i could come over in some hours and test with yours
07:31 < rxr> you to come over ...
07:31 < rxr> when do you wanna sleep ?
07:33 < valentin> when i am dead ?
07:34 < valentin> or in the evening whatever
07:45 < rxr> if you want to come over - it would of course be helpful I thnk
07:45 < rxr> but keep care that you do not destroy yourself
07:45 < rxr> how is the netconf gon'g?
07:46 < valentin> i think i answered the question 7:30
07:46 < valentin> sleeping now would make absolutly no sense
07:47 < rxr> as you wish
07:53 < rxr> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/06/06/0026256.shtml
07:55 < rxr> Konqueror passes ACID2 Test
07:55 < rxr> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1129
07:56 < valentin> yep - two days ago i posted a screenshot of M$IE on acid
07:58 < rxr> yep - saw it *evel grin*
07:58 < rxr> IE is known to not honor much CSS - if at all
07:59 < rxr> e.g. it misrenders the last and the curretn exact code site - and I had to teak the simple CSS of Falks site a few times for the simple boder and padding to work in IE ...
07:59 < _Ragnar__> :D
08:02 < valentin> hi _Ragnar__
08:04 < rxr> hey _Ragnar__
08:04 < _Ragnar__> hey
08:12 < valentin> but IE renders all pages designed with frontpage - where konqueror or firefox often fail due to malformed html
08:21 < rxr> frontpage? the first index.html or what ?
08:23 < valentin> front page is the M$ weapon to fight at the browser war front
08:24 < rxr> they patented index.html?
08:24 < valentin> rxr: don't tell me you do not know M$ fronpage...
08:25 < rxr> sure - I'm just joking ...
08:28 < valentin> hm, two tea or not two tea ?
08:29 < rxr> yeah - that is a question - I got coffee ...
08:29 < valentin> cool
08:29 < valentin> maybe when i came over, i need some coffe, too.
08:30 < valentin> btw: greetings from Nils and Andreas
08:31 < rxr> nice - greetings back ..
08:31 < rxr> have you phoned niko on his birthday ?
08:39 < valentin> ouhm - damn
08:39 < valentin> forget that every year
08:39 < valentin> but he often forgot mine, also
08:46 < rxr> dito ...
08:46 < rxr> `date`
08:55 < valentin> At least QT features easy to use callback timers
08:56 < valentin> no manual runloop fidling as in cocoa
08:56 < rxr> Mac is the best ...
08:56 < valentin> and no handmade proxy-ing like in gtkmm
08:56 < rxr> .o(and in some days they will uzse the best CPUs on earth)
08:56 < valentin> ok, i do not know how gtk is in version 2.0
08:57 < valentin> did they decide ?
08:57 < rxr> nope
08:58 < rxr> me just joking about the "best OS" on earth
08:58 < rxr> with 250+ new features in the latest version
08:58 < valentin> rxr: did you answer the t2 live cd mail ?
08:58 < rxr> yes
08:59 < valentin> and - how is it called ? @live or live ?
08:59 < rxr> @Live I think
08:59 < rxr> mnemoc also liked this name that I randomly picked while naming the first release ISO ...
09:08 < valentin> i'll take a shower now
09:20 < _Ragnar__> nini folks
09:20 < rxr> n8 rxr
09:20 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar__ even ,-)
09:20 < _Ragnar__> ;D
09:21 < CIA-9> rene * r9433 /trunk/package/emulators/bochs/ (bochs.desc gcc34.patch): * updated bochs (2.1.1 -> 2.2)
09:32 < CIA-9> rene * r9434 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.conf:
09:32 < CIA-9> * do not install an outdated ROCK_DOC file from wine that contains
09:32 < CIA-9> misleading information - we rather should install a default
09:32 < CIA-9> registry and file tree in a later revision
09:55 < rxr> Searching for available swap partitions. ................................... v
09:55 < rxr> Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian Swap size 258.8 MiB (271392768 bytes, 66258 pages of 4 KiB)
09:55 < rxr> Activating discovered swap space on /dev/hda1.
09:55 < rxr> just hacked live cd feature ... ,-)
10:05 < rxr> Activating discovered swap space on /dev/hda1. :-)
10:05 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38447.html
10:10 < valentin> re
10:11 < rxr> now I'll later need to add auto swap file creation - even on windows partitions ...
10:11 < rxr> and add a lot of user-setable options to give control about that automatisms ...
11:11 < rxr> hm - I just called ScanSoft here in Germany - Munich
11:11 < valentin> rxr: i think i drive to AH first and visit you after that
11:11 < valentin> what did they say
11:11 < rxr> they ware aware of linux and the first receptionist woman knew that their Naturally Speaking does work under Linux/Wine but only dictation - not navigation on the desktop ...
11:36 < valentin> rxr: i want to cut an aluminium tube for the shower curtain
11:36 < valentin> can your saw do something like that ?
11:37 < rxr> wich one the electric one ?
11:37 < valentin> for example
11:37 < rxr> well - it is not really intended for it - but it could be used for it (if the tube is not too thik)
11:37 < rxr> however using a metal hand saw would be more idial
11:38 < valentin> thickness is below 1mm i think
11:38 < valentin> do you have one ?
11:38 < rxr> have on lieing around here ...
11:38 < valentin> one or no ?
11:38 < rxr> one
11:38 < valentin> nice
11:38 < valentin> i think a hand saw is easier for the round surface
11:39 < rxr> yes - this "sticksaege" is not really inteded for that use - but could be obfuscated if really needed ...
11:39 < valentin> because the electric one will be slipping
11:40 < valentin> i just take the tube with me today, and then we can see if we manage to do it
11:43 < rxr> ok
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11:45 < valentin> ok, cu later then
11:45 < rxr> cu valentin
11:45 < rxr> hi tilix
11:45 < tilix> hi rxr
12:06 < rxr> oh - cool - my slashdot acrticle reply was voted 4:informative and caused quite some traffic on our side ... ,-)
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12:08 < rxr> hi jeru
12:09 < jeru> hehe, moin rxr :)
12:12 < tilix> rxr: are you still using ddcxinfo from Kanotix/
12:13 < rxr> yes, why ?
12:13 < tilix> It`s updated: http://www.kanotix.com/files/debian/ddcxinfo-kanotix/
12:13 < tilix> some laptop fixes
12:19 < rxr> tilix: thanks
12:19 < CIA-9> rene * r9435 /trunk/package/x11/ddcxinfo/ddcxinfo.desc: * updated ddcxinfo (0.6-11 -> 0.6.12)
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13:01 < valentin> re
13:04 < rxr> hi valentin
13:13 < jeru> hi valentin
13:14 < valentin> hi jeru
13:30 < CIA-7> chris * r9436 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver patch for linux26 kernels (2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2 -> 2.6.11.11-vs2.0-rc3)
13:38 < CIA-7> chris * r9437 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc: * updated bglibs (1.019 -> 1.020)
13:59 < CIA-7> chris * r9438 /trunk/package/python/pil/ (freetype2-fix.patch pil.conf pil.desc):
13:59 < CIA-7> * updated pil (1.1.4 -> 1.1.5)
13:59 < CIA-7> * deleted freetype2-fix.patch (not needed anymore)
13:59 < CIA-7> * deleted pil.conf (not needed anymore because the build procedure was changed)
14:02 < CIA-7> lars * r9439 /trunk/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc:
14:02 < CIA-7> * Updated swi-prolog (5.4.6 --> 5.4.7).
14:02 < CIA-7> * Readded me as maintainer.
14:09 < rxr> mnemoc: why the h*ll did you change Lars to the T2 Project - valentin and I told you that he is Lars Kuhtz ... !
14:10 < jeru> rxr: don't bash our mnemoc that hard ;)
14:19 < CIA-7> lars * r9440 /branches/2.1/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc:
14:19 < CIA-7> * merged from trunk (rev. 9439): Updated swi-prolog
14:19 < CIA-7> (5.4.6 --> 5.4.7).
14:19 < CIA-7> Readded me as maintainer.
14:22 < CIA-7> lars * r9441 /trunk/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc: * swi-prolog: updated email of author.
14:25 < valentin> poor lars
14:26 < CIA-7> lars * r9442 /branches/2.1/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc:
14:26 < CIA-7> * merged from trunk (rev. 9441): updated email of author of
14:26 < CIA-7> swi-prolog
14:44 < rxr> jeru: I also perform a few updates now ...
14:49 < jeru> rxr: yes ... me too I'll update cvm
14:51 < mnemoc> re
14:51 < rxr> jeru: I have quite a bunch pending now ...
14:51 < rxr> libxml asc tla tea rxvt alliance ++
14:51 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:51 < jeru> hi mnemoc
14:52 < mnemoc> rxr: you told me to use Kuhtz@ec not lars
14:52 < rxr> but you sed it to t2@t2-project.org
14:52 < mnemoc> .oO
14:53 < mnemoc> -> 'Lars Kuhtz ' ... 1.
14:54 < jeru> mnemoc: I'll update cvm, but the install procedure has changed a bit. where do we want to have cvm includes and libs? /usr/cvm/include like we used in bglibs?
14:55 < mnemoc> where does author want?
14:55 < jeru> /usr/local/blah
14:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9444 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt/rxvt.desc: * updated rxvt (2.7.9 -> 2.7.10)
14:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9443 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * updated libxml (2.6.18 -> 2.6.19)
14:57 < mnemoc> jeru: /usr/{include,lib} ? does cvm deserve it's own hierarchy? what do we have currently?
14:58 < jeru> mnemoc: I haven't installed cvm on t2 yet, but I think we can use /usr/{include,lib}
14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: swi-prolog didn't belong to yours lars
14:59 < mnemoc> [A] Jan Wielemaker
14:59 < mnemoc> -[M] Lars Siggelkow
14:59 < mnemoc> [M] The T2 Project
14:59 < mnemoc> +[M] The T2 Project
15:00 < mnemoc> jeru: cvm: usr/include/cvm-sasl.h
15:00 < mnemoc> jeru: cvm: usr/lib/libcvm-module.a
15:00 < mnemoc> jeru: it's a normal prefix=usr package
15:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9445 /trunk/package/develop/tla/tla.desc: * updated tla (1.3.1-fix-1 -> 1.3.3)
15:01 < jeru> mnemoc: ok ... we'll use it ;)
15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: it is the same Lars ...
15:05 < CIA-7> rene * r9446 /trunk/package/contrib/djvulibre/djvulibre.desc: * kuhtz@exactcode.de -> lars@exactcode.de
15:06 < mnemoc> uhm
15:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
15:06 < rxr> we seem to had some misunderstanding there ...
15:06 < mnemoc> i have _logs_ telling me the oposite
15:07 < mnemoc> 13:12:07 kuhtz@ec.de?
15:07 < mnemoc> 13:12:11 yes
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: the magic of out of async irc
15:08 < rxr> I even wrote the address above ..
15:08 < rxr> 19:11 < rxr> lars is Lars Kuhtz
15:08 < rxr> what else should I do ... ?
15:09 < mnemoc> keep reading
15:09 < mnemoc> 13:11:34 he is Kuthz now
15:09 < mnemoc> 13:11:47 ok
15:09 < mnemoc> 13:11:56 kuhtz even
15:09 < mnemoc> 13:12:07 kuhtz@ec.de?
15:09 < mnemoc> 13:12:11 yes
15:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I can not stop valentin from intermixing junk
15:09 < rxr> I just read the log ...
15:10 < rxr> the yes wsa to he is Kuthz now - not your kuhtz@ec.de
15:10 < rxr> sorry that I did not scream up - I tought my former line would be authorative ...
15:10 < rxr> however noone is going to die for this change - so relax ,-)
15:10 < mnemoc> :)
15:10 < CIA-7> rene * r9447 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (9.0 -> 10.0)
15:11 < rxr> this update mails are cool - just that I need to fix my cron invocatoin - for some reason it does not work out ...
15:11 < CIA-7> chris * r9448 /trunk/package/security/cvm/ (cvm.conf cvm.desc): * updated cvm (0.31 -> 0.71)
15:12 < jeru> rxr: ack ... the update mails are very hepful ;)
15:12 < jeru> helpful
15:13 < rxr> razor and mailscanner as well as crm14 updates do not build - in the case someone does use those ...
15:14 < CIA-7> rene * r9449 /trunk/package/x11/linuxwacom/linuxwacom.desc: * updated linuxwacom (0.6.7 -> 0.6.8)
15:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9450 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * moved contrib/djvulibre -> graphic
15:15 < rxr> updatd asc does fail, too
15:15 < rxr> oh - but this seems to be a local problem ...
15:16 < rxr> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/opt/kde33/lib/libartsc.la'
15:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9451 /trunk/package/games/asc/asc.desc: * updated asc (1.15.2.1 -> 1.15.3.0)
15:19 < mnemoc> rxr: talking about razor, mailscanner and crm14 updates failing to build, can you ask lars to not commit updates to 2.1? please
15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: only if he is very^3 sure the update works and breaks nothing
15:20 < rxr> you mean his 2 or 3 commits this year ?
15:20 < mnemoc> * Updated swi-prolog (5.4.6 --> 5.4.7).
15:20 < mnemoc> :p
15:21 < mnemoc> or just the very^3 sure part
15:21 < rxr> maybe you write some 2.1 is in this and that frozen state - please do not commit directly into it mail to the list and CC it to lars ?
15:21 < mnemoc> [M] doesn't affect builds :)
15:22 < mnemoc> an update can
15:22 < mnemoc> why strcmp("Siggelkow","Kuhtz")==0 ?
15:23 < jsaw> re
15:23 < rxr> .o(is it possible to inject wariable into [M] in a way to evaluate and break the build)
15:23 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
15:23 < rxr> hi jsaw
15:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: gnomesword is broken with current gnome, so...
15:23 < rxr> mnemoc: he married and took the family name of his wife
15:23 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , rxr
15:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: gnomesword needs libgtkhtml-3.0
15:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: which have never been released
15:24 < jsaw> ?
15:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: cvs-only
15:24 < jsaw> oh, ic
15:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: we need to add the package to make gnomesword build
15:24 < jsaw> well, anyway... remove gnomesword.
15:24 < jsaw> once there's a new version available, I could add it again...
15:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: ok
15:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'll move it to attic in that case
15:25 < jsaw> okay
15:25 < rxr> mnemoc: why not rm?
15:25 < rxr> we anyone who want to resurrect it can revert the delete ...
15:25 < jsaw> btw, not only thesis and family... we're moving (only 400m) but still...even more work :|
15:26 < mnemoc> rxr: you are the core master... you choose
15:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i though attic was a better place for resurrectable stuff
15:26 < rxr> jeru: why mo'ng ?
15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: well - with a attic, we would have an higher ls */*/*/.desc | wc -l package count and google hits due to .html pages ...
15:27 < mnemoc> rxr: is that a pro or a contra?
15:27 < jsaw> btw, I told you already I was playing with lua. I just tested how long it takes to read all .desc files... once the directory tree is in cache, less than 2secs
15:28 < rxr> jeru: ,-)
15:28 < rxr> jsaw: ,-) even ...
15:28 < jsaw> rxr: did you test live-cd on a SATA machine? I tried, but couldn't find cdrom.
15:29 < rxr> jsaw: hm - which release of the live cd sss
15:29 < jsaw> rxr: impressive speed if you ask me...
15:29 < jsaw> beta3
15:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: from 1 to 10, how good is lua for replacing stone and mine?
15:29 < rxr> only the latest live cds includes SATA suport ...
15:29 < rxr> jsaw: hm - that should include SATA ...
15:29 < rxr> I think noone so far tested SATA CD-ROM support ... .-(
15:30 < jsaw> ic. I'll try to find the reason.
15:30 < rxr> jsaw: does the cd appear on the kernel boot printout stuff ?
15:31 < jsaw> rxr: the kernel boots
15:31 < jsaw> rxr: and starts a shell due to missing livecd
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15:33 < rxr> jsaw: does it print out anything about SATA devices on the bus?
15:33 < rxr> jsaw: btw. you have not yet written why you move, have you ?
15:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: lua is very small and efficient. In this sense, 10. But a few modules would be missing (while tar support is working, a ncurses module would have to written...) therefore, real score is sth. like 8
15:34 < jsaw> rxr: oh, simply because we found a bigger flat for less bucks... :)
15:35 < jsaw> one room more -> I HAVE MY OWN EDGE AGAIN!!!
15:35 < jsaw> :)
15:36 < rxr> jsaw: maybe post any lua code or comments even if heavily WIP to the lsit - so others - e.g. this other LUA supporter - see progress and have s.th. to play ,-)
15:36 < rxr> jsaw: cool
15:38 < jsaw> rxr: okay.
15:38 < rxr> "A mouse is a device used to point at
15:38 < rxr> the xterm you want to type in."
15:38 < rxr> ^- haha
15:38 < jsaw> ts
15:38 < mnemoc> jsaw: no more work at kitchen?
15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: where did you get that definition?
15:39 < jsaw> oh, plenty --- but building the kitchen not working in it anymore :)
15:39 < jeru> hi jsaw
15:39 < jsaw> hi jeru
15:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D
15:40 < jsaw> my desk was the first piece I put into the new flat ....
15:41 < jsaw> so only internet conn missing
15:41 < jsaw> btw, rxr, any experience with internet via "Kabel" (i mean TV cable)?
15:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9454 /trunk/package/scientific/alliance/ (alliance.desc gcc34.patch): * updated alliance (5.0-20040928 -> 5.0-20050217)
15:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9453 /trunk/package/filesystem/sysfsutils/sysfsutils.desc: * updated sysfsutils (1.2.0 -> 1.3.0)
15:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9452 /trunk/package/games/supertux/supertux.cache: * added supertux.cache
15:42 < rxr> jsaw: nope - but I did not hear s.th. nagative - only heared works ok from people ...
15:43 < mnemoc> here, TV cable/internet bandwidth is shared between 10 blocks :\
15:43 < jsaw> It's upgradable to 10Mbit currently (only that a flat rate is extremely expensive then)
15:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: ohoh
15:44 < mnemoc> you have a maximal, but nothing warrantied
15:45 < jsaw> probably same here
15:46 < rxr> if the promissed bandwidth / price is ok, why not ... ?
15:46 < rxr> so far I heared no complaints so I guess the providers are mostly delivering what they promisse ...
15:47 < valentin> hi jsaw
15:48 < mnemoc> at home i share via wifi a 64kbps TV Cable connection :p
15:48 < jsaw> hi valentin
15:48 < mnemoc> hi valentin
15:48 < jeru> jsaw: a friend living in Stuttgart has no technical problems with internet via cable, but afaik it's more expensive than DSL
15:49 < mnemoc> jeru: excluding the 'tv cable' fee?
15:49 < rxr> jsaw: interessted in PowerPC machines
15:49 < valentin> r9500 today ?
15:49 < rxr> I just got a mail in my inbox that we could get 2 IBM boxes - just with 1xx Mhz ...
15:49 < rxr> jsaw: to be collected in Franfurt a. Main
15:49 < rxr> IBM RS/6000 43P/140MHz
15:50 < jeru> jsaw: I don't know ... but I think 256/64 for about 23 Euro isn't a good prize
15:50 < jsaw> rxr: free I guess
15:50 < rxr> yes - just need to be collected as far as I can see ,-)
15:50 < rxr> and getting linux booted might be tricky
15:51 < jsaw> jeru: 1000/128 for 29.90Euro
15:51 < rxr> however I think that it should be duable ...
15:51 < jsaw> When do these machines have to be collected?
15:51 < jeru> jsaw: that sounds ok :)
15:52 < rxr> jsaw: frankfurt am main
15:52 < jsaw> jeru: up to 10000/1280 for 120EUR
15:52 < rxr> hm - I looked at the google image pictures ...
15:52 < rxr> I have such a box here ... - and it already runs (ROCK) Linux ...
15:53 < jsaw> rxr: _when_, not where. Can this wait a month until I pick em up?
15:53 < rxr> jsaw: I doubt it is urgent ,-)
15:53 < rxr> we spoke to them at the last linux world expo and they mailed me now - does not look particularly fast ...
15:53 < rxr> some local unix group or so - they want to get rid of those since they failed to get linux on them ...
15:54 < jsaw> jeru: I just checked. Actually cable is not available in that street... telekom only cables there... damn
15:54 < jsaw> rxr: hehe
15:54 < jsaw> brb, coffee
15:57 < rxr> > I was using gcc 2.9 (host - i386-pc-cygwin, target
15:57 < rxr> > sparclet-aout). Recently I have started using gcc 3.2
15:57 < rxr> ^- in what stone age some people live ...
16:05 < jsaw> ?
16:05 < rxr> 2.9 in use until recently - uhm ...
16:06 < rxr> and then reviewing 3.2 as update candidate ...
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16:14 < keinek> hi
16:14 < keinek> morning :)
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16:23 < CIA-7> rene * r9455 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc:
16:23 < CIA-7> * added tweak to the version class to not compare numbers if the
16:23 < CIA-7> difference is more than 100 This effectivly does prevent date
16:23 < CIA-7> versioned files to be considered an update (eg 2004-12-24 vs. 3.4.5).
16:27 < rxr> so - know I only have to invent and patent s.th. to filter out this sparc, whater addons some people add to the version to filter them out, too ,-)
16:27 < rxr> ah - and of course the top-level dir traversing - with those two additions one day the checker would be perfect I think
16:30 < valentin> now we only need the automated regression testerr
16:30 < rxr> yep - auto patch, test and commit on success ,-)
16:30 < valentin> you mean auto - unpatch all .patch files that do not apply anymore and report
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16:31 < rxr> valentin: ack - auto patch is fully merged upstream detect(tm)
16:31 < rxr> (patent pending=
16:31 < rxr> )
16:32 < jeru> hmm ... my box disappeared. at least the keyboard wasn't working anymore :/
16:33 < CIA-7> rene * r9456 /trunk/package/base/pidentd/pidentd.desc: * updated pidentd (3.0.14 -> 3.0.18)
16:33 < rxr> jsaw: do you use identd ?
16:33 < jsaw> mmm
16:34 < jsaw> no
16:34 < rxr> it is considered a security feature - and I move it into security (currently in base ...) ok ?
16:34 < rxr> or rather network ?
16:34 < rxr> (at least not base ...
16:34 < jsaw> after reading the man, i'd opt for security/
16:36 < CIA-7> rene * r9457 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 2 dirs): * moved base/pidentd -> security/
16:58 < CIA-7> rene * r9458 /trunk/package/security/pidentd/pidentd.conf:
16:58 < CIA-7> * removed pidentd.conf - I assume the x86-64 thing is fixed upstream,
16:58 < CIA-7> now (if not revert ,-) and removed the --disable-des, since debian
16:58 < CIA-7> ships it and it builds ...
17:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9459 /trunk/package/network/netkit-base/inetd.conf:
17:01 < CIA-7> * removed the -t120 from the ident.d invocation in inetd.conf - it is
17:01 < CIA-7> the default and thus overspecified, e.g. overwriting the sane default
17:01 < CIA-7> if it changes for valid reasons
17:04 < jeru> bye ... cu later
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17:05 < herve> hi
17:05 < herve> jeru left?
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17:13 < valentin> herve: dunno
17:14 < herve> ok thanks
17:14 < herve> I'll check later
17:14 < herve> bye
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17:19 < rxr_> valentin: I have three jazz style and drifting classic whatever CDs from my neighboor here - I guess you will like them - I hope you have some free disk space for an ogg conversion ,-)
17:19 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:20 < valentin> rxr: this is against the copylaw ..
17:21 < rxr> my understanding was that personal copies are still allowed ... ?
17:21 < rxr> just not annonymous sniffing on some network - e.g.
17:34 < rxr> so - this identd fixing should reduce my syslog amount by several MB per day ...
17:34 < rxr> why was this broken since I remeber in ROCK ? ...
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17:43 < CIA-7> rene * r9460 /trunk/package/security/pidentd/ (identd.conf pidentd.conf): * added in.identd symlink and default config file to identd ...
17:52 < rxr> why is the ICC 9.0 reviewers download that huge ... 201MB ...
17:59 < valentin> what language support does it have ?
18:00 < rxr> C++ (C) and fortran I think
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18:44 < jeru> re hi
18:45 < valentin> jeru there was some guy searching you
18:45 < jeru> who ?
18:46 < valentin> a guy named herve
18:48 < valentin> i just droped some T2 notes here : http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/T2_%40Live
18:50 < jeru> valentin: ah ic, herve is a CMS developer from france . I talked to him, and it seems that he'll help me with some issues ... but thanks for the note ;)
18:50 < CIA-7> mtr * r9461 /trunk/package/audio/ (alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc alsa-utils/alsa-utils.desc):
18:50 < CIA-7> * updated alsa-driver (1.0.9 -> 1.0.9a)
18:50 < CIA-7> helps linux24 ...
18:50 < CIA-7> * updated alsa-utils (1.0.9 -> 1.0.9a)
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18:54 < mnemoc_> re
18:54 < valentin> hi mnemoc_
18:54 < jeru> hi mnemoc_ :)
18:55 < mnemoc_> hi valentin, jeru
18:55 < mnemoc_> i'll merge a few things and tag rc1 if noone objects
18:56 < rxr> of cours not - master stable ,-)
18:56 < rxr> mnemoc_: have you watched the progress meter recenty?: http://svn.exactcode.de/
18:56 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you have a minute can you take a look into balsa (gcc34?) build problem?
18:56 < mnemoc_> *click*
18:57 < rxr> .oO
18:57 < rxr> ok
18:57 < mnemoc_> mu=22?
18:57 < rxr> mu ?
18:57 < mnemoc_> mean
18:57 < valentin> mu like nu ?
18:58 < valentin> but sigma is quite big
18:58 < mnemoc_> the second greek char you have on your keyboard
18:58 * rxr confused ...
18:58 < rxr> valentin: do you plan to show up here, today?
18:58 < valentin> i have no greek letters on my keyboard
18:58 < mnemoc_> rxr: you have a beta and a 'mu' afaik
18:58 < valentin> rxr: i plan to leave soon
18:59 < valentin> i have apple
18:59 < mnemoc_> \mu on TeX
18:59 < rxr> I have beta - mu - ?
18:59 < rxr> you lost me ...
18:59 < mnemoc_> \beta=ss ?
18:59 < valentin> he just stated that svn's mu is 22
18:59 < mnemoc_> anyway, the middle of a gauss thing
19:00 < mnemoc_> do you use \nu for the middle of the gauss thing?
19:01 < valentin> no
19:01 < valentin> i just wanted to know if you were talking in greek letters
19:02 < mnemoc_> :)
19:03 < mnemoc_> btw, the only gr keyboard i have seen had ä,ë,ï,ö,ü,\beta and \mu
19:04 < valentin> ï, too ?
19:05 < mnemoc_> not sure
19:05 < mnemoc_> some \" chars :)
19:06 < valentin> rxr: i think i'll leave now
19:07 < CIA-7> rene * r9462 /trunk/package/filesystem/autofs/autofs.desc: * updated autofs (4.0.0pre10 -> 4.1.4)
19:07 < rxr> ok - cu then
19:07 < rxr> mnemoc_: you could update autofs to autofs-4.0.0-1 in stable
19:08 < rxr> if you want me to do I could, too
19:08 < mnemoc_> rxr: after rc1 :)
19:08 < rxr> then it is forgotten ... ,-)
19:08 < mnemoc_> i'll merge and tag in some minutes
19:09 < mnemoc_> then, i hope to not forget
19:09 < rxr> mnemoc_: if you like I can keep generating announcements, fill freshmeat and feed the other PR drains - I'm used to that ...
19:10 < mnemoc_> sure, you are good writing :)
19:10 < mnemoc_> but we need ISOs
19:10 < rxr> ouhm - ic
19:10 < rxr> do I have to generate them ... ?
19:11 < rxr> .o(need a quad dual core opteron box ...)
19:11 < mnemoc_> i have P4 here
19:11 < rxr> mnemoc_: our samba is built with ldap enabled - however all my tries to disable it failed
19:11 < mnemoc_> i can genetare 586 and P4 isos
19:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: ldap enalbed if ldap installed
19:12 < rxr> I get endless timeout for ldap server craap in my log and windows is haning ...
19:12 < rxr> (in that time)
19:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: sure - no problem - I just wanted to ask if you know how to disable it at runtime in the smb.conf ...
19:12 < mnemoc_> uhm
19:12 < mnemoc_> changing the backend to something != ldap
19:12 < rxr> I googled this morning - and found only stuff that did not work (for me)(tm)
19:13 * rxr preparing tea
19:13 < rxr> mnemoc_: we do not need infinite isos - only a pentium-mmx should be enough
19:13 < rxr> we only get less tested ISOs and way too high inter mirror and initial upload traffic ...
19:13 < mnemoc_> ok, i'll create minimal, minimal-desktop and desktop for pentium-mmx
19:13 < rxr> what target would you like to build ?
19:14 < mnemoc_> you have amd, sparc and ppc :p
19:14 < mnemoc_> i guess minimal or minimal-desktop is fine for those
19:15 < rxr> hm - maybe only minimal and desktop - I really think we should not provide too many official ISOs
19:15 < rxr> well - if I think about it - it would really cool if you would push out the official x86 ISOs - that would leve the time on my side for the first time to focus on this "non-mainstream" architectures
19:16 < rxr> however getting a bootable sparc iso will be tricky ...
19:16 < rxr> since sparc64 is not yet really stable and with sparc we have no 64bit kernel for all the "modern" boxes
19:16 < mnemoc_> oh
19:16 < mnemoc_> sad
19:17 < rxr> well - I think without a bigger community pure sparc64 will never get useful - since X and some other stuff do not function properly in 64bit sparc userapce
19:17 < rxr> T2 is the only distribution that ever managed to build as much as we currently can ...
19:17 < rxr> (X build - just does not start ... - but 64bit X apps work ,-)
19:18 < rxr> maybe I should change the sparc64 target to build all the basic stuff - but build the whole remaining system in 32bit mode
19:18 < mnemoc_> sure, we help to make possible stuff, easy
19:19 < rxr> that would give us the cross compiler for the 64bit kernel - and stable user-space (and the high 32bit performance - since 64bit userspace is only cool for databases and video editing where 64 bit memory range is important - but hurs everything else in speed)
19:19 < mnemoc_> is minimal-sparc ISO doable?
19:19 < rxr> well sparc(32) is uninteresing - too slow hardware
19:20 < rxr> so the only thing that makes sense is when I tweak the sparc64 to have a "32bit userspace" knob
19:20 < rxr> that would work
19:20 < mnemoc_> too slow hardware even for a minimal iso?
19:20 < rxr> so far I always clone the kernel from some running box and emerge the 32bit userspace - and only run 64bit crunching in the hope I some time fix all the bugs ...
19:21 < rxr> mnemoc_: there is nearly nothing out that runs with the 32bit kernel
19:21 < rxr> only the pre Pentium speed old SPARC boxes
19:21 < rxr> and for those (I have one 40Mhz one - and one even slower where the NVRAM battery is dead and thus does not boot) I have not managed to get SILO boot from CD ...
19:22 < mnemoc_> ic
19:22 < rxr> but this pure 32bit (32bit kernel) SPARCs are really not that interesting at all ,-)
19:22 < rxr> what matters are the 64bit since 199x boxes - that are slow enough
19:22 < mnemoc_> :)
19:22 < rxr> but I really come to the conclusion a multi-lib 32bit userspace config option would do wonders for now ,-
19:22 < rxr> )
19:23 < rxr> I power my faster sparc up and start a build with such an ne code drop ,-)
19:24 < rxr> (fastest is 360Mhz ...)
19:24 < mnemoc_> :)
19:25 < rxr> and if it would not have 256MB of RAM it would swap to death on compile ...
19:26 < CIA-7> amery * r9463 /branches/2.1/scripts/Download: * merged 9199 from trunk: * implemented .Z recompression, since the bz2filename funciton already translates .Z to bz2 and dcc failed due to the bz2 not present ...
19:26 < rxr> mnemoc_: but just tag -rc as planned - we could have those changes with the ISO for -rc2
19:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: sure
19:27 < rxr> this also means more PR due to news ...
19:27 < mnemoc_> yep :)
19:27 < rxr> -rc2 dedicated to the SPARC world ...
19:27 < mnemoc_> but i would like to have 2.1.0 before livecd publication
19:27 < rxr> ehrm - in the magazine ?
19:27 < mnemoc_> and other fixes :)
19:28 < rxr> well - that you need to hurry ...
19:28 < mnemoc_> when is it?
19:28 < rxr> oehm 1 week ++ ?
19:28 < mnemoc_> outch
19:28 < rxr> maybe 2 ...
19:28 < mnemoc_> we need a website!
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19:31 < mnemoc_> hi veki
19:31 < CIA-7> amery * r9464 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch:
19:31 < CIA-7> * merged 9264 from trunk: reworked scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch to primarily accept input in the form pkg ver - and only pkg-ver as fallback
19:31 < CIA-7> * merged 9264 from trunk: removed mulitple updates at-a-time support
19:31 < veki> hi mnemoc
19:32 < rxr> so - prepared a black tea for valentin - so he is happy when he arrives ... ,-)
19:32 < CIA-7> amery * r9465 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions: * merged 9396 from trunk: added D_ver to the substitutes of rock_substitute
19:32 < mnemoc_> he likes black?
19:32 < rxr> yep - or green
19:32 < rxr> and I guess especially today without sleep last night if I interpreted his saying and the log correctly
19:33 < CIA-7> amery * r9466 /branches/2.1/misc/archive/Update.sh:
19:33 < CIA-7> * merged 9265 from trunk: changed misc/archive/Update.sh to not use the now deprecated, '-'
19:33 < CIA-7> seperated way to pass package and version to Create-PkgUpdPatch
19:33 < mnemoc_> did he got netconf wokring?
19:33 < rxr> I think he is finally mostly finished ..
19:34 < rxr> I have not taken a look into netconf - I'll see soon
19:34 < CIA-7> amery * r9467 /branches/2.1/scripts/Check-PkgFormat: * merged 9397 from trunk: removed unneeded newline escaping for readability of Check-PkgFormat
19:36 < CIA-7> amery * r9468 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Target: * merged 9379,9382 from trunk: improved binary tarball creation to package var/adm before the rest
19:37 < rxr> the graph will explode ,-)
19:38 < mnemoc_> nah
19:38 < mnemoc_> stable atoms are bigger than trunk atoms :)
19:43 < rxr> hm - drafting the sparc changes I notice I'll get a conflict with the fl_wrapper
19:43 < rxr> or better we have one in general
19:43 < rxr> on multilib systems we have both glibc and glibc32 ...
19:44 < rxr> when I utilize glibc32 with this new config know for sparc the flwrapper will not work - but crash I think ...
19:44 < CIA-7> amery * r9469 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Pkg:
19:44 < CIA-7> * merged 9214 from trunk: merge olist, so they do not accumulate
19:44 < CIA-7> * merged 9303,9317,9323 from trunk: closed a build system hole: It was possible to inject files beside the allowed top level directories where the files would have been silently ignore before.
19:44 < CIA-7> * merged 9303 from trunk: removed stray error hiding empty if ; then : ;fi statements around flist processing Whether we want to hide errors with a more obvious || true later on has to be seen
19:44 < rxr> (when one tries to LD_PRELOAD a 64bit library on 64bit systems ...
19:45 < rxr> [*] Default to 32bit for the user-space applications
19:45 < rxr> ^- new knob
19:46 < rxr> ouhm:
19:46 < rxr> # gcc -m32 -m64 misc/archive/hello.c
19:46 < rxr> gcc: may not use both -m32 and -m64
19:46 < rxr> at least I'll see when mistakenly both are injected due to wrappers ...
19:47 < rxr> hm - this changes are heavier than I first imagined ....
19:49 < CIA-7> amery * r9470 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/libquicktime/ (. libquicktime.desc libquicktime.desc): * merged 9349 from trunk: added libquicktime (0.9.7)
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19:52 < CIA-7> amery * r9471 /trunk/package/multimedia/nvrec/ (gcc34.patch nvrec.desc):
19:52 < CIA-7> * updated nvrec (20030316 -> 20041227)
19:52 < CIA-7> * fixed nvrec to build with gcc34
19:53 < CIA-7> amery * r9472 /trunk/package/multimedia/nvrec/nvrec.conf:
19:53 < CIA-7> * cleaned nvrec.conf
19:53 < CIA-7> * changed nvrec to disable libquicktime support if not installed
19:53 < CIA-7> * changed nvrec to disable divx4linux and avifile because their 'current' APIs are not supported
19:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: attention!!!
19:55 * mnemoc_ frozen
19:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: I would never disable another package
19:56 < rxr> better select the other package when nvrec is enabled
19:56 < rxr> otherwise you might annoy someone who wants to enable it
19:56 < mnemoc_> i disabled it's support
19:56 < mnemoc_> not the packages
19:56 < rxr> ah - tought the package
19:56 < rxr> all fine ,-)
19:56 < mnemoc_> :D
19:56 < mnemoc_> --disable-crap
19:57 < rxr> crap ?
19:57 < rxr> literally ?
19:57 < mnemoc_> nah
19:57 < rxr> lol
19:57 < rxr> pl
19:57 < rxr> ok even
19:57 < mnemoc_> --disable-divx4linux
19:58 < rxr> gtk-sharp failed on my devel workstation
19:58 < rxr> needed for balsa depends for fixing ...
19:58 < rxr> == 17:57:42 =[9]=> Building network/nload [0.6.0 2.2.0-alpha].
19:58 < rxr> -> Compiling package for 32bit ...
19:58 < rxr> let's see ,-)
19:58 < mnemoc_> gtk-sharp has becoming more and more desired
19:59 < rxr> ** ERROR **: file domain.c: line 617 (mono_init_internal): assertion failed: (mo
19:59 < rxr> no_defaults.runtimesecurityframe_class != 0)
19:59 < rxr> aborting...
19:59 < rxr> make[2]: *** [gapi_codegen.exe] Aborted (core dumped)
20:00 < CIA-7> amery * r9473 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/nvrec/ (gcc34.patch nvrec.conf nvrec.desc):
20:00 < CIA-7> * merged 9471 from trunk: updated nvrec (20030316 -> 20041227)
20:00 < CIA-7> * merged 9472 from trunk: disabled nvrec/{divx4linux,avifile} support because nvrec doesn't suppor their new APIs yet
20:00 < rxr> !> checking for sparc-t2-linux-gnu-g++... g++
20:00 < rxr> !> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... co ..
20:00 < rxr> nload checks for a C++ compiler ... ?
20:01 < mnemoc_> recicled configure.in? :)
20:01 < rxr> oh - it is even linked against libstdc++
20:01 < rxr> then it might indeed need it ,-)
20:01 * rxr testing with another package ...
20:02 < rxr> oh - damn
20:02 < rxr> I have no glibc32 ...
20:02 < mnemoc_> pff
20:02 < rxr> and I just Cleanup -full a build/... that had it for sparc ...
20:02 < rxr> then this test has to wait some hours ... - about 3 or so ...
20:03 < rxr> hm - well - but then I would not have a 32bit libstdc++ ....
20:03 < rxr> oh my ...
20:03 < rxr> well - I wanted to test with s.th. not nload anywy ,-)
20:24 < rxr> Apple: Apple Switching to Intel
20:24 < CIA-7> amery * r9474 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/djvulibre/djvulibre.desc: * merged 9446 from trunk: kuhtz@exactcode.de -> lars@exactcode.de
20:24 < rxr> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/06/06/1752234.shtml
20:25 < mnemoc_> uhm?
20:25 < mnemoc_> ppc died?
20:26 < rxr> nope - just this crappy vendor "appears" to switch ...
20:26 < rxr> do I care? No. I jsut buy a big server ad IBM ...
20:28 < valentin> re
20:28 < jeru> wb valentin
20:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: does ppc has another 'vendors'?
20:35 < CIA-7> amery * r9475 /branches/2.1/package/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * merged 9410 from trunk: valentin@exactcode.de -> valentin@t2-project.org
20:35 < rxr> nzg: IBM and Motorola^W Freescale
20:35 < rxr> I can not agree to this move - I think it is mostly stupid
20:36 < rxr> but I have to work now first ...
20:38 < mnemoc_> what did nzg asked? :p
20:43 < CIA-7> amery * r9476 /branches/2.1/package/audio/alsa-driver/ (pkg_linux24_post.conf pkg_linux24benh_post.conf): * added missing copyright notes on packages/a*
20:46 < CIA-7> amery * r9477 /branches/2.1/package/ (117 files in 117 dirs): * merged 9411 from trunk: amery@geeks.cl -> amery@t2-project.org
20:47 < CIA-7> amery * r9478 /branches/2.1/package/base/ (7 files in 3 dirs): * * added missing copyright notes on packages/b*
20:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9479 /trunk/package/base/serpnp/ (. serpnp.c): * first serpnp.c to share it with valentin's development
20:48 < mnemoc_> a package without .desc? uhm....
20:50 < valentin> this is not a package yet
20:50 < valentin> but it will be soon
20:50 < mnemoc_> :)
20:50 < mnemoc_> serpnp, interresting project
20:50 < rxr> mnemoc_: you mean because it will change the world due to the _large_ user base ?
20:52 < mnemoc_> there is a _large_ user base without USB, but not at germany :)
20:53 < rxr> ack
20:56 < CIA-7> amery * r9480 /branches/2.1/package/ (9 files in 6 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on packages/[cd]*
20:59 < CIA-7> amery * r9481 /branches/2.1/package/ (21 files in 12 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on packages/[efgh]*
21:02 < CIA-7> amery * r9482 /branches/2.1/package/ (12 files in 9 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on packages/[ijkl]*
21:06 < mnemoc_> bbl
21:06 < jeru> cu mnemoc_ :)
21:06 < CIA-7> amery * r9483 /branches/2.1/package/ (59 files in 23 dirs): * added missing or bad copyright notes on packages/[mno]*
21:12 < CIA-7> rene * r9484 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg:
21:12 < CIA-7> * the next Emerge enhancement: only print "Skipped due blacklist:" when
21:12 < CIA-7> the package in question really got an update (less noise on up-to-date
21:12 < CIA-7> systems ...)
21:47 < jeru> already build an embedded target, no regressions so far :)
21:52 < sparc-kly> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10765
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22:03 < CIA-7> chris * r9485 /trunk/package/security/ebtables/ebtables.conf: * added makeinstopt for ETHERTYPESPATH to not install /etc/ethertypes outside of the base dir, which let the build fail because of our stricter checkings
22:16 < _Lewellyn> /. is /.'ed :)
22:29 < nzg> rxr >: nzg: IBM and Motorola^W Freescale
22:30 < nzg> ho?
22:30 < rxr> nzg: sorry - guess n intead m ...
22:30 < nzg> ah, k
22:43 < CIA-7> rene * r9486 /trunk/package/base/serpnp/ (serpnp.c serpnp.cache serpnp.conf serpnp.desc): * the real serpnp package
22:44 < CIA-7> rene * r9487 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * fixed [A] vs. [M] typo in the hotplug++.desc
22:47 < CIA-7> chris * r9488 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/ (syslog-ng.conf syslog-ng.cong): * renamed syslog-ng.cong -> syslog-ng.conf which is hopefully more sane than before ;)
22:48 < jeru> ^ hehe 2 typo fixes ... :)
23:06 < CIA-7> rene * r9489 /trunk/package/base/serpnp/serpnp.c:
23:06 < CIA-7> * cleaned up serpnp for the Logitech mouse on my desk
23:06 < CIA-7> * added printing of device description - if available
23:17 < CIA-7> rene * r9490 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/55-devfs.rules:
23:17 < CIA-7> * changed the u/dev serial usb names to what they really have been
23:17 < CIA-7> under devfs
23:51 < valentin> mnemoc_: here ?
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