T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-01

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--- Log opened Wed Jun 01 00:00:08 2005
--- Day changed Wed Jun 01 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> on two weeks national geographic channel (spanish version) will give a documental about dan brown and his book
00:19 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.14.74] has joined #t2
00:19 < keinek> hi
00:39 < _Lewellyn> hm. livecd boots here. kinda...
00:40 < _Lewellyn> it searches for the livecd and can't find it.
00:40 < _Lewellyn> then it drops me to a shell after complaining that it can't find /dev/tty
00:41 < valentin> did init run through ?
00:42 < _Lewellyn> dunno. let me grab my palm so i can irc from that part of the office.
00:46 < _Lewellyn> it died right after populating /dev
00:46 < valentin> i guess it could not mount the disc
00:47 < _Lewellyn> why can't it find /dev/tty, i wonder
00:47 < _Lewellyn> it's there
00:47 < valentin> the files ?
00:47 < valentin> s/files/device nodes
00:48 < _Lewellyn> the node, yes
00:48 < _Lewellyn> i have no hdX nodes, though
00:48 < _Lewellyn> ah
00:48 < _Lewellyn> i have sda
00:48 < _Lewellyn> no sdb
00:49 < _Lewellyn> sda is my hard disc (sata)
00:49 < _Lewellyn> it does not see my ide cdrom that i'm booting from
00:51 < _Lewellyn> wait. the kernel does see it. :/
00:55 < _Lewellyn> /proc/ide/drivers shows ide-cdrom and ide-disk
00:55 < _Lewellyn> my hard disk shows up in /proc/scsi/scisi, though
00:58 -!- maddin [~martin@p54BDFFD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:59 < _Lewellyn> any clues as to where i should look now? :(
01:01 < valentin> hm
01:01 < valentin> the module is loaded ?
01:02 < _Lewellyn> from what i can see
01:03 < _Lewellyn> how can i be sure?
01:12 < _Lewellyn> hm. goin to have to give up for now :(
01:23 < valentin> cat /proc/ide/drivers
01:23 < valentin> in case it is an ide drive
01:24 < _Lewellyn> 15:56 : _Lewellyn: /proc/ide/drivers shows ide-cdrom and ide-disk
01:25 < valentin> sorry, overread that (late here)
01:26 < valentin> if you have 7h, rxr will be awake then ,)
01:26 < _Lewellyn> ya
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02:30 < valentin> what happened to http://www.rocklinux.org/ ?
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02:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
02:57 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
02:57 [Users #t2]
02:57 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ mtr] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
02:57 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ nzg] [ SerWou ]
02:57 [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
02:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
02:57 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
02:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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03:22 < _Lewellyn> good question...
03:34 < mnemoc> rsync i guess
03:35 < valentin> ?
03:36 < mnemoc> rl.org
03:36 < mnemoc> looks like rsync --delete
03:37 < valentin> why ?
03:42 < mnemoc> http://www.rocklinux.org/export.log
03:44 < valentin> no, i mean why should he execute sth like that ?
03:50 < _Lewellyn> the topic for #rocklinux doesn't indicate anything amiss...
03:51 < mnemoc> valentin: to syncronize their mirrors
03:55 < mnemoc> valentin: i remember he mentioned rsync when we discussed the possibily of a CMS
03:55 < mnemoc> valentin: he wanted plain html to rsync to dumb web servers
03:56 < valentin> which is good if your content seldom changes (and their mainpage almost never changes)
04:03 < mnemoc> once i propoced him to keep it in svn and cron 'svn up' ... be he said his mirrors don't have subversion
04:04 < mnemoc> .oO( or it was cvs? )o
04:13 < valentin> daylight outside
04:13 < valentin> time to sleep
04:14 < valentin> vampyre valentin hiding from dawn
04:15 < _Lewellyn> sleep well
04:16 < valentin> thanks
04:16 * _Lewellyn should go run errands before the sun finishes setting here
04:16 < valentin> errands ?
04:17 < valentin> ok, gn8
04:18 < _Lewellyn> ya. got to pay bills
05:32 < CIA-9> amery * r9285 /branches/2.1/package/database/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * fixed bdb33-java, finally
05:34 < _Lewellyn> yay!
05:37 < mnemoc> :)
05:38 < _Lewellyn> so now there's ooo with java? ;)
05:39 < mnemoc> i don't know yet
05:39 < mnemoc> ooo is building
05:39 * _Lewellyn crosses fingers
05:40 < _Lewellyn> and who's the best one to help me diagnose livecd boot failures?
05:43 < mnemoc> rene :)
05:46 < _Lewellyn> that was what i figured.
05:46 < _Lewellyn> rene, who is asleep ;)
05:46 < mnemoc> he will be here in two hours
05:47 < _Lewellyn> hopefully i'll be at the bar in 2 hours.
05:47 < mnemoc> at the bar? today?
05:48 < _Lewellyn> why not?
05:48 < _Lewellyn> :)
05:49 < mnemoc> :)
08:03 < rxr_> re
08:06 < rxr_> hi _Lewellyn
08:07 -!- You're now known as rxr
08:08 < _Lewellyn> hoi
08:08 * _Lewellyn is wandering out of work now :/
08:15 < rxr> cu _Lewellyn
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08:21 < rxr> hi madtux
08:22 < madtux> hello rene
08:26 < rxr> how are you miguel ?
08:38 < madtux> i am good thanks
08:39 < rxr> madtux: what are you doing these days?
08:39 < madtux> i have my own company dedicated to provide solutions to sportsbooks and online casinos...
08:40 < madtux> doing security consulting, gaming software development, hosting colocation, systems administrationg
08:40 < madtux> outsourcing services
08:40 < madtux> basically that
08:40 < madtux> at least that on business part
08:40 < madtux> right now... i am fetching the t2 packages on my ultra5
08:40 < madtux> and on my workstation
08:41 < madtux> the idea is to help mnemoc finish the work for stable release
08:41 < madtux> then continue selinux implementation
08:41 < madtux> how about u ?
08:41 < rxr> more or less full time projects around t2 ,-)
08:41 < rxr> and article work
08:42 < madtux> thats cool
08:42 < madtux> :)
08:42 < madtux> i should get back to articles too
08:42 < madtux> its fun
08:55 < rxr> madtux: you could do me a favour, too
08:55 < madtux> tell me
08:55 < madtux> :)
08:56 < rxr> if you would have some sparce SPARC CPU cycles on a SPARC that has your full stability trust, you could build sparc64 on it
08:56 < madtux> i am doing it
08:56 < rxr> in theory it should build mostly fine - despite a few minor issues (like chroot and screen behaving strange) and maybe X might not yet come up at runtime
08:56 < rxr> but I would like to know if you experience random segmentation faults during the build
08:57 < rxr> if no then I have to throw the SPARC here into some garbage can ...
08:57 < madtux> lets start with minimal builds... u already know how long it takes to build stuff on this babys
08:57 < rxr> yep
08:57 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-sparc64-v9vis-desktop:
08:57 < rxr> [5] base/glibc [5] base/gmp [5] mail/spamassassin [5] security/gnupg
08:57 < rxr> 670 builds total, 228 completed fine, 4 with errors.
08:57 < rxr> X is already built - however the last time X did not come up ...
08:57 < madtux> mmm... what does glibc says?
08:57 < rxr> in 64bit land noone else uses ...
08:58 < rxr> that is a random segfault
08:58 < rxr> build before and build now and then ...
08:58 < madtux> mm...
08:58 < rxr> this is what I like you to explore ...
08:58 < madtux> very well
08:58 < rxr> the build is on a el-cheapo (for free) machine
08:58 < rxr> my university put to rest
08:58 < rxr> hower all of those for free machines are instable ...
08:58 < rxr> another even freezes ever now and then ...
08:58 < rxr> this one has random segfaults
08:59 < madtux> relax i got my own hardware to test
08:59 < madtux> i guess we will just compare results
08:59 < rxr> and I like to know if it is the hardware or sparc64 that has random segf. problems - though I doubt that ...
08:59 < madtux> and if anything brakes i will try to fix it
09:00 < madtux> random segf could be defective hardware... or unstable system
09:00 < rxr> yes - that is what I think - but - well - I'd like to keep the sparc ,-)
09:00 < madtux> don't really think it has anything to do with sparc64
09:00 < rxr> it has 360Mhz - my "own" only has 270 ...
09:01 < madtux> don't throw it away.... if u want to get rid of it lets better find a way to send it to mnemoc
09:01 < madtux> :)
09:02 < madtux> then again lets how my testing work... as u already know it will take sometime to reach stage 5
09:02 < rxr> well - an unstble sparc is no help for him ...
09:02 < madtux> yeah
09:08 < rxr> the new oprofile get's on my nerve
09:13 < rxr> hm - when T2 build oprofile it fails with annoying bdf symbols missing
09:13 < rxr> when I build it manually it builds fine :-(
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09:15 < rxr> hi jascha
09:21 < madtux> rxr, do u have any experience coding sockets?
09:21 < rxr> yep
09:21 < madtux> oh perhaps u can help me
09:21 < madtux> i have a problem with an application...
09:22 < madtux> it uses a socket, and it normally works fine, but randomly when it gets 100+ simultaneos connections it crashes
09:23 < madtux> and the client application stays on sort of a loop trying to connect back to the server
09:23 < madtux> already checked the software, db, system logs and i find not logs or anything that can give me an explanation of wht is making it crash
09:24 < madtux> its neither hardware failure
09:24 < madtux> some possible ideas?
09:25 < rxr> ouhm
09:26 < madtux> its just frustrating...
09:26 < madtux> i have no logs no nothing to track what the problem is
09:27 < rxr> sorry - I can not give a hint
09:27 < jascha> hi rxr
09:28 < madtux> ok thx
10:02 < CIA-9> rene * r9286 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.desc: * updated linux24 (2.4.30 -> 2.4.31)
10:03 < madtux> nice
10:10 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38354.html
10:10 < rxr> ok - so kde update and oprofile update pending
10:10 < rxr> the later needs some fixing - since it bulids manually and fails automated in t2 ...
10:12 < madtux> optimization maybe affecting?
10:18 < mtr> moin
10:18 < madtux> hi mtr
10:18 < rxr> moin mtr
10:19 < rxr> hm - indeed no auto update proposal this night - interesting ...
10:21 < rxr> ah - no there are -- just mail fwd. got broken ...
10:21 < madtux> mm
10:24 < rxr> 319.19 GB on gsmp last moth
10:24 < rxr> month
10:27 < CIA-9> rene * r9287 /trunk/package/kde/ (25 files in 25 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:27 < CIA-9> * updated kdegames (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
10:27 < CIA-9> * updated kdebindings (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
10:27 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
10:27 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-it (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
10:27 < CIA-9> * updated kdeaddons (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
10:27 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-de (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
10:27 < madtux> just lookied at the new site again... look nice
10:28 < madtux> i really like the logo
10:28 < rxr> it is not final - it just kind of first try
10:29 < madtux> i like it
10:29 < rxr> have you seen my grub live cd mod and sepps logo use in it?
10:29 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/live-splash.png
10:29 < madtux> can i have a login to contribute or is this developer exclusive?
10:30 < rxr> on - login should be easy - but i do not know the details - it is jeru's mnemoc's work in progress site ...
10:30 < madtux> oh very well
10:30 < madtux> i will bug mnemoc when he comes back
10:31 < rxr> madtux: note that I hacked the ugly border of grub's menu away and patched it further to display the cursor in fron of the line - not at the end ,-)
10:31 < madtux> nice
10:31 < rxr> hm - oprofile is s.th. done at configure time ...
10:32 < rxr> /* Synthesize special symbols when needed */
10:32 < rxr> -#define SYNTHESIZE_SYMBOLS 0
10:32 < rxr> +#define SYNTHESIZE_SYMBOLS 1
10:33 < madtux> that fixes it?
10:33 < rxr> that is the diff of configure* crap
10:33 < madtux> thx patch the damn thing
10:33 < madtux> then*
10:34 < rxr> still test building ...
10:34 < madtux> ok
10:34 < madtux> i am ready to sleep a bit
10:34 < madtux> i will see u in a few hours
10:35 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38357.html
10:39 < rxr> yep built ...
10:47 < mtr> there are some problems cross compiling perl in stage 1
10:47 < rxr> .o(worked here)
10:47 < rxr> madtux: generic target?
10:48 < mtr> first, installperl failed with: Can't locate File/Glob.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib) at installperl line 132.
10:48 < mtr> desktop target, re-build with Create-Errlist -newdelete
10:48 < rxr> mtr: generic target? even
10:49 < rxr> hm - I start a reference on my box to see what happens
10:49 < CIA-9> rene * r9288 /trunk/package/develop/oprofile/ (oprofile.conf oprofile.desc): * updated oprofile (0.8.2 -> 0.9)
10:49 < mtr> i changed -Ddynamic_ext=File/Glob in .conf, which helped
10:49 < rxr> then it fully installs ?
10:49 < mtr> but now h2ph installs the headers files outside basedir :(
10:49 < rxr> .oO
10:50 < rxr> why is it doing more on your side than on my side ...
10:50 < rxr> I tested with embedded uclibc/arm and x86 yesterday ...
10:51 < mtr> yes, strange, i do not know where to start with this, probably i should verify with an embedded target
10:51 < mtr> build
10:52 < rxr> stay tuned I start a reference
10:53 < mtr> ok, thanks
10:55 < rxr> oh - I forgot to add a patch
10:55 < rxr> sorry
10:55 < mtr> texinfo failed to cross compile, too, i already fixed this on my system
10:55 < rxr> tough I think it does not make a difference
10:56 < CIA-9> rene * r9289 /trunk/package/perl/perl/install.patch.cross: * added the forgotten perl/install.patch.cross
10:56 < mtr> texinfo's configure calls "env -i ... some/other/configure" ...
10:57 < mtr> env -i seems not be a good idea, it is leading to loops in the T2 wrappers
11:03 < CIA-9> rene * r9290 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/xemacs-beta.desc: * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.20 -> 21.5.21)
11:10 < CIA-9> rene * r9291 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-packages/xemacs-packages.desc: * updated xemacs-packages (2005-01-18 -> 2005-05-05)
11:13 < mtr> .oO: perl does still copy files outside basedir ...
11:14 < mtr> hmm, h2ph might need a "-d destination directory" option ?
11:32 < CIA-9> chris * r9292 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.0 -> 1.2.4)
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11:56 < rxr> hey jeru
11:56 < jeru> hi
11:56 < jeru> hi rxr
11:56 < rxr> hi tilix
11:56 < mtr> hi jeru
11:56 < jeru> hi mtr
11:56 < jeru> what did I miss ? ;)
11:58 < jeru> jascha: are you around ?
11:58 < rxr> ouhm - not too much I think
12:01 < tilix> hi
12:02 < jeru> hi tilix
12:16 < rxr> my current system load:
12:16 < rxr> samples| %|
12:16 < rxr> ------------------
12:16 < rxr> 858189 28.1790 bzip2
12:16 < rxr> 855482 28.0901 no-vmlinux
12:16 < rxr> 632750 20.7766 bunzip2
12:16 < rxr> 196980 6.4679 libc-2.3.4.so
12:16 < rxr> 64828 2.1287 bash
12:16 < rxr> 61397 2.0160 ld-2.3.4.so
12:16 < rxr> 60879 1.9990 libqt-mt.so.3.3.4
12:16 < rxr> 52190 1.7137 libmpg123.so
12:16 < rxr> 47465 1.5585 cc1
12:16 < rxr> 26221 0.8610 Xorg
13:20 < valentin> hm, i found a gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 compiler error
13:24 < rxr> all gcc version have many known issues
13:25 < rxr> what are the details of your situation ?
13:27 < valentin> in a place of the program, when i write *variable for _any_ declared variable, i get a
13:28 < valentin> opt/qt33/include/qpoint.h:160: note: candidates are: const QPoint operator*(const QPoint&, int)
13:28 < valentin> /opt/qt33/include/qpoint.h:163: note: const QPoint operator*(int, const QPoint&)
13:28 < valentin> ...
13:28 < valentin> regardless of the variable type
13:28 < valentin> and the function argument i pass this variable too, has nothing to do with QPoint either ...
13:29 < rxr> h,
13:29 < rxr> hm even
13:29 < valentin> i could workaround that, but it is strange
13:30 < valentin> somehow the compiler takes the dereffering '*' as an object operator
13:30 < valentin> yet there was another error in the text which confused the compiler
13:31 < valentin> but it had nothing to do with any qt widgets in any context
13:31 < valentin> the only QT stuff i use in this source file at all are signals
13:34 < valentin> the main error is, that i used a *variable for an argument where a pointer is expected
13:34 < valentin> so it is infact an error, but the message is nonsense
13:35 < valentin> i have to drive to AH and pretend that i am programming bio stuff ...
13:43 < jeru> rxr: unfortunately perl fails again in trunk
13:48 < mtr> jeru: did get some perl errors this morning too, now it fails cross compiling due to files outside basedir
13:49 < rxr> jeru: I'm just now reference building myself - let it reach 1-perl and we see ,-)
13:50 < rxr> unfortunatly I had to restart, since I got some problems - I removed the ccache for more sane results now ...
13:50 < jeru> mtr: same problem here
13:51 < rxr> valentin: I just mailed kontron and ask if they could lend us a XScale evaluation board ...
13:52 < rxr> valentin: the via contact seems to mostly get something for free
13:52 < rxr> valentin: we exchanged serveral mails already - but in the last mail I asked to clarify what he finally really wants us to do - and if he assumes to get it for free ...
13:54 < rxr> oh a new ssh
13:54 < rxr> I update
13:55 < rxr> oh - it already got updated ...
13:57 < rxr> ah - no
13:57 * rxr confused by status output ...
14:02 < rxr> ok - gpg2 does not run very well on sparc64 8365 root 25 0 9912 1648 1280 R 99.0 1.3 34:00.86 gpgsm
14:13 < CIA-9> rene * r9293 /trunk/package/security/openssh/openssh.desc: * updated openssh (4.0p1 -> 4.1p1)
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14:25 < rxr> http://www.google.com/search?q=cebit+microsoft+gallery&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
14:26 < rxr> ^- hit 8 is my photo gallery ...
14:42 < rxr> make: *** [pic-i386/libc.so] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
14:42 < rxr> hm - that is on a ccache removed and otherwise clean build
14:42 < rxr> damn
14:43 < rxr> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'cmd_wrapper'
14:43 < rxr> oh
14:43 < rxr> cmd_wrapper ... not tooo good
14:46 < valentin> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60115
14:46 < rxr> valentin: I know
14:46 < rxr> I wrote the golem storry and possted the link here
14:47 < rxr> I already mailed google if porting T2 to Hurd applies with Susan as student ...
14:48 < valentin> but she has to host the project at SourceForge/Tigris/Savannah
14:51 < CIA-9> mtr * r9294 /trunk/package/base/m4/m4.desc: * fixed m4 cross compile: install now uses DESTDIR
15:07 < CIA-9> mtr * r9295 /trunk/package/base/texinfo/ (configure.patch.cross texinfo.conf):
15:07 < CIA-9> * fixed texinfo cross compile: do not spawn configure
15:07 < CIA-9> with an explicit clean environment (env -i ...)
15:12 < rxr> valentin: ?
15:12 < rxr> valentin: he/she just has to contribute to a project ...
15:13 < rxr> I think it is not exlicit that it must be external - but e.g. in gnome or our case just add the the version control system in use ...
15:13 * rxr lunch
15:13 < valentin> All code must go up on a site like SourceForge, Tigris or Savannah to qualify. You may mirror development on your personal infrastructure if you so choose. Alternative sites like CPAN, Vaults of Parnassus and Berlios are also fine choices.
15:13 < valentin> whatever the "also fine" means...
15:22 < jeru> rxr: did your ref build reached 1-perl yet ?
15:28 < rxr> no because it hit the segfaulting cmd_wrapper
15:29 < rxr> valentin: I see no reason to artificially seperate contributing work ...
15:29 < rxr> but I doubt that Google will pay T2 development anyway
15:29 < rxr> tough they could build up their custom HPC this way ...
15:31 < jeru> rxr: do you really trust google ?
15:32 < rxr> define trust?
15:32 < rxr> right now I just try to get 4500$ out of them to fund T2 developemt via their summer code thing ...
15:37 < rxr> hm - seems to be off-by-one bug in the cmd_wrapper
15:37 < rxr> .o(why do I always have to find such sort of crap)
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15:44 < rxr> --- misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c (revision 9276)
15:44 < rxr> +++ misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c (working copy)
15:44 < rxr> - for (c3=0; c3<=c1; c3++)
15:44 < rxr> + for (c3=0; c3 15:44 < rxr> ...
15:44 < rxr> test running ...
15:47 < rxr> == 06/01/05 15:44:45 =[1]=> Finished building package dietlibc.
15:47 < CIA-9> rene * r9296 /trunk/misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c: * fixed off-by-one error in cmd_wrapper.c - present since ages it seems
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16:03 < CIA-9> rene * r9297 /branches/2.1/misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c: * merged r9296 from trunk: fixed off-by-one error in cmd_wrapper.c
16:07 < madtux> re
16:07 < madtux> mnemoc, will ever wake up?
16:08 < madtux> will u*
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16:16 < jeru> .oO( seems that I screwed up my windoze partition on that tiny beast of subnotebook :/ )o
16:17 < valentin> who cares ?
16:18 < jeru> valentin: me ... because I had done some work on it .... which I have to deliver today
16:19 < valentin> screwed the fs or the table ?
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16:23 < jeru> arrrgggghhhhh ... f*ck ... this is not my day ....
16:23 < jeru> cu later
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16:30 < rxr> .oO
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17:03 < rxr> mtr: I can confirm the create outside basedir ..
17:03 < rxr> in 1-perl
17:03 < rxr> do you have a patch or should I ?
17:06 < rxr> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 24118 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
17:06 < rxr> ...
17:06 < rxr> day of segfaults ...
17:13 < mtr> rxr: i fixed 1-perl by not installing .ph files in stage 1
17:14 < mtr> shall i commit this fix ?
17:21 < rxr> hm - wait
17:25 < rxr> ouhm - my box is so over busy again ...
17:25 < rxr> damn
17:25 < rxr> need a quad opteron or so ...
17:25 < rxr> cool
17:25 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38375.html
17:33 < CIA-9> rene * r9298 /branches/2.1/target/embedded/config.in: * implemented embedded style selection - uclibc or dietlibc
17:33 < CIA-9> rene * r9299 /branches/2.1/target/embedded/config.in: * removed debug cat frlom embedded/config.in
17:35 < rxr> mtr: hm - ok - just commit disabling it for now ,-)
17:41 < CIA-9> mtr * r9300 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.conf: * do not install .ph files in stage 1
17:44 < rxr> thanks
17:45 < mtr> rxr: i was not sure about the header files, who might need them?
17:45 < rxr> oh - damn
17:45 < rxr> I was in 2.1 when I commited the embeded code ...
17:45 < rxr> .oO
17:45 < rxr> mnemoc will slap me ...
17:51 < CIA-9> rene * r9301 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in: * merged r9297 and r9299 from branches/2.1 to trunk
17:52 < mnemoc> .oO
17:52 < rxr> when one talks about the devil ... - hi mnemoc ,-)
17:52 < mnemoc> :)
17:53 < rxr> sorry that the feature got into 2.1 first
17:53 < rxr> my $PWD was biased ...
17:53 < mnemoc> do we have embedded target on 2.1?
17:53 < rxr> looks so
17:53 < rxr> and it is all fine
17:53 < mnemoc> sure?
17:54 < rxr> we could rather rm -rf the router one or the dreamcast one ...
17:54 < rxr> but we could just leave them there as examples ...
17:55 < mnemoc> as far as you consider embedded target stable on 2.1...
17:56 < rxr> I fixed an nice off-by-one this afternoon ...
17:57 < rxr> I removed my whole ccache due to the segfault before I noticed it was cmd_wrapper ... and started from scrach - now my reference is filling the cache again
17:57 < rxr> no idea why we have not noticed earlier ...
17:58 < mnemoc> what segfault? perl/spamassassin?
17:59 < rxr> got a segfault in 1-dietlibc
17:59 < rxr> it was cmd_wrapper out of bound / off-by-one array issue ...
17:59 < rxr> fixed in trunk and 2.1 ...
17:59 < mnemoc> oh
18:00 < rxr> I think the right ammount of arguments is needed to match the glibc block allocation size to trap on that out of bounds access ...
18:02 < mnemoc> i.e. finding it was just luck
18:05 < rxr> experiencing of fixing ?
18:05 < mnemoc> yes :)
18:15 < mnemoc> do you have any idea why debug.sh is not mounting loop and friends anymore?
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18:20 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - I need to review that ...
18:24 < CIA-9> mtr * r9302 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (1.12.1 -> 1.13.2)
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18:25 < jeru> re hi
18:25 < mnemoc> mtr: if you update gwenhywfar don't forget it's dependees
18:25 < mnemoc> jeru: hi webmaster
18:25 < jeru> hi stable tree maintainer
18:26 < madtux> hi t2 developers
18:26 < jeru> hi madtux
18:26 < mnemoc> hi T2/{selinux,router} maintainer
18:28 < jeru> .oO( now I know who screwed up the windoze partition on my subnotebook. a collegue thought, that it would be nice for me, if he changes the partition type from vfat to ntfs :/ )o
18:29 < madtux> mnemoc, thats not what the new website says :)
18:29 < jeru> .oO( damn windoze admins )o
18:29 < jeru> madtux: I see, you're on mnemoc's site ;)
18:30 < mnemoc> madtux: new website is under construction, people has to add theirselves
18:30 < mnemoc> jeru: :)
18:30 < mnemoc> jeru: people claim for a new website!
18:30 < madtux> right... i cannot add myself without a login and password
18:30 < jeru> mnemoc: good to see you laughing :)
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18:31 < mnemoc> madtux: that's why i kick jeru daily :)
18:31 < jeru> madtux: I can add you!
18:31 < jeru> mnemoc: that's why I kick back daily too
18:32 < madtux> its nice to see how caring we all are with eachother
18:32 < rxr> jeru: why did he mess with your windows ?
18:32 < mnemoc> jeru: you will always have the right to kick back :) but i wont stop kicking first :p
18:32 < jeru> the day mnemoc voted for me as webmaster was a very dark day :)
18:33 < jeru> rxr: I don't know ... guess he wanted to help me improving the performance ... but I didn't ask for it
18:33 < mnemoc> i got two mails about the first sentence on www.t2-p.o ... "T2 is not just a common Linux distribution..."
18:34 < mnemoc> "how do you expect being consider something else than a distribution if you claim to be one"
18:34 < mnemoc> jeru: yeah
18:35 < madtux> do we claim to be a distro?
18:35 < mnemoc> the first line of www.t2-project.org
18:35 < mnemoc> "T2 is not just a common Linux distribution"
18:35 < mnemoc> _just_
18:36 < mnemoc> we need the CMS working :\
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18:38 < jeru> mnemoc: ok ok ... please kick me again, I like it ...
18:39 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, I started a fresh ref build -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/ref/regressions.html
18:39 < mnemoc> beware, i can change kicking for spanking
18:39 < madtux> omfg...
18:39 * madtux quickly steps away from mnemoc to a corner
18:40 < mnemoc> :D
18:40 < jeru> madtux: there is no reason for that ;)
18:40 < madtux> oh right... thats exclusive for u
18:40 < madtux> :)
18:41 < mnemoc> jeru: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <--- this is recient
18:41 < jeru> mnemoc: you know, I've a friend, and he will bite you! :)
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18:41 < mnemoc> jeru: :)
18:44 < mnemoc> madtux: take a look into embedded target
18:44 < jeru> mnemoc: and beware, he is much quicker as you! (just a warning before you'll feel too comfortable)
18:44 < jeru> than
18:45 < mnemoc> jeru: i know your tiny friend is fast and bite hard
18:45 < jeru> mnemoc: good :)
18:50 < madtux> u are guys are really scaring me
18:50 < mnemoc> his friend is a nasty rat :)
18:50 < mnemoc> but don't ask me what they do together
18:51 < madtux> plan the world domination?
18:51 < mnemoc> i guess.... at leat i know they don't plan www2 release
18:52 * mnemoc hides
18:52 < madtux> i really like your sutil way to push things
18:52 * mnemoc smiles on the darkness
18:55 < rxr> hm
18:55 < rxr> this nexiuz is dog slow
18:55 < rxr> on my XP 2500+ w/ Radoen 7xxx ...
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19:17 < rxr> well - ok - in low quality it is playable
19:19 < jeru> re
19:20 < jeru> mnemoc: the "nasty rat" is on the road to chile :)
19:21 < jeru> mnemoc: and he is prepared to fight
19:22 * mnemoc runs
19:22 < madtux> to bite u mean
19:22 < jeru> mnemoc: run run run ... no problem for him ;)
19:23 < _Lewellyn> rxr: how long will you be about?
19:27 < rxr> around ?
19:27 < rxr> well - some more hours - four at least
19:29 < _Lewellyn> ok. i want to get the livecd to finally boot over here ;)
19:30 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: what was it?
19:33 < _Lewellyn> scroll back about 20 hours. :) udev seems to not create a device node for my cd-rom drive.
19:33 < _Lewellyn> the module seems to load.
19:33 < _Lewellyn> also possibly telling is that i have a /dev/tty, but the emergency shell claims that it can't find it.
19:35 < rxr> hm - there is nothing that stop and ide cdrom from showing up in /dev
19:35 < rxr> is it some multi functional device?
19:36 < _Lewellyn> it's a cd-rw/dvd-rom drive
19:36 < rxr> what does this yield for the device:
19:36 < rxr> cat /proc/ide/%k/media
19:36 < _Lewellyn> my sata hdd is showing up as scsi1
19:36 < rxr> where %k is the kernel internal name
19:36 < rxr> the cdrom is not sata ?
19:36 < _Lewellyn> only thing in /proc/ide is drivers
19:36 < _Lewellyn> cdrom is plain atapi
19:37 < _Lewellyn> on a 80-conductor cable
19:37 < rxr> hm - the kernel notified there is a cdrom and there is still no /proc/ide/$kernel-name/... ?
19:37 < _Lewellyn> no.
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19:37 < rxr> hm
19:37 < _Lewellyn> and drivers shows ide-cdrom
19:38 < rxr> than I can not do much about it ,-) except kernel debugging ...
19:38 < _Lewellyn> since that ramdisk has no lsmod, that's all i have to go by ;)
19:39 < _Lewellyn> if i had a null-modem cable, i'd capture the output via a serial terminal
19:39 < _Lewellyn> it seems to not be acessible any way from that shell, so i can't just stick it on a floppy
19:44 < _Lewellyn> i'm sure that whatever is happening, it's going to be obvious to the right person when they see it.
20:05 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: cat /proc/modules ?
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20:18 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i'll try that in a few
20:18 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
20:18 < rxr> re
20:36 < rxr> mnemoc: urgent question - alive ?
20:36 < mnemoc> kind of
20:36 < rxr> oh - greatz
20:36 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have a second ?
20:36 < mnemoc> kind of
20:36 < rxr> then - in trunk in scripts/Build-Pkg
20:36 < rxr> line
20:36 < rxr> 608
20:37 < rxr> and 613
20:37 < rxr> have you any idea why the fl_wrparse and find are surrounded by an empty if then : ; fi ?
20:38 < mnemoc> obscure way to || true ?
20:39 < rxr> no idea at all
20:39 < rxr> where is clifford to kick *g* ,-)
20:40 < mnemoc> on the other channel :p
20:40 < rxr> you could ask him there *g*
20:40 < rxr> 1 - then : ; fi
20:40 < rxr> ^- alive since initial import
20:40 < mnemoc> let me checkout their trunk first :p
20:40 < rxr> I could
20:40 < madtux> extend himan invitation to join here
20:41 < mnemoc> i have an important exam in 1:45 hours ... if you can ask him, much better
20:41 < mnemoc> madtux: :)
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - learn ...
20:42 < rxr> mnemoc: one of us need a degree ...
20:42 < rxr> mnemoc: their trunk is untouched ...
20:42 < madtux> u don't have a degree either..
20:42 < madtux> ?
20:42 < rxr> madtux: not yet - but german university of applied science was too boring for me
20:42 < madtux> god... i can't believe how many of us have not finished uni for the same reason
20:43 < rxr> I first get a healthy community and business around T2 running ...
20:44 < mnemoc> i would finish it if i had the money to pay it
20:44 < rxr> madtux: hey - after 4 semesters I still had to write argc/argv parsing code ...
20:44 < rxr> and distributed system was writing basic iptables rules ...
20:44 < madtux> rxr does it mean someday u will give us a job?
20:44 < madtux> uff awefull...
20:45 < madtux> yet much more fun than here :(
20:45 < rxr> fun?
20:45 < rxr> it is not fun applying to such annoying stuff when the desk is full of interesting things ...
20:45 < madtux> way too much .net and similar crap
20:45 < rxr> madtux: maybe some day ,-)
20:45 < mnemoc> rxr: their Build-Pkg has your beloved inline download
20:46 < rxr> hm ?
20:46 < rxr> ah - yes
20:46 < rxr> ,-)
20:46 < rxr> that is cool, isn't it ...
20:46 < rxr> and have you seen this ugly gnome and co skeleton packages?
20:46 < mnemoc> uhm
20:46 < mnemoc> they did what i did for java :p
20:47 < rxr> to get rid of tray dependencies that only get in thru directories - randomly created by various packages ... - and this directory dependency code is an ugly piece of awk code - and guess what - it is so unneeded that it got removed from T2 - and rock invents this cool skeleton packages ... - well
20:48 < mnemoc> different approaches :)
20:48 < rxr> instead of find the root cause, they work around in the uglies possible way
20:48 < rxr> mnemoc: they did not fix it - they worked around it for just gnome ...
20:48 < mnemoc> that has always been rock's way
20:48 < rxr> all the kde and /usr and whatever packages still get random dependencies due to whoever created some i18n or simillar dir first in a given build
20:49 < mnemoc> they will create every foo-dirtree they can need
20:49 < rxr> and this only due to an ugly piece of awk code that is so unreadable that I had to open the oreily awk book to understand it ...
20:49 < rxr> unreadable and totally superflous ...
20:49 < rxr> well - /me back to my problem ...
20:50 < madtux> damn i feel terrible... going back bed see ya in a while
20:50 < mnemoc> madtux: hey!
20:50 < madtux> ?
20:50 < mnemoc> madtux: write selinux target you lazy boy
20:51 < madtux> we agreed to finish the pending work for 2.1 and then i would continue selinux
20:51 < mnemoc> madtux: finish the pending work for 2.1 you lazy boy
20:51 < mnemoc> :)
20:52 < _Lewellyn> ~please? ;)
20:52 < mnemoc> nah
20:52 < mnemoc> :)
20:52 < _Lewellyn> "please" is nicer than just ending with 'you lazy boy' :)
20:52 < mnemoc> .oO( really? )o
20:53 < _Lewellyn> there's some saying here about flies and honey and vinegar. but i tend to forget it ;)
20:54 < mnemoc> http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/youcancatchm.html
20:54 < mnemoc> google remembers
20:55 < madtux> mnemoc, i will but u are the stable tree maintaner ... i will help help as i can :)
20:55 < madtux> i'm just a newbie remember
20:55 < mnemoc> madtux: :(
20:55 < madtux> hey relax i am working on it ok?
20:55 < madtux> just don;t leave it all to me
20:55 < madtux> :)
20:56 < mnemoc> :)
20:56 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <-- 21 of 1670
20:57 < rxr> my ref build of 2.2 is at 3-lvm now
20:57 < mnemoc> nice
20:58 < mnemoc> btw, we need to add libgtkhtml-3.0 which has never been released by needed by gnomesword since one year ago
20:59 < mnemoc> but*
20:59 < mnemoc> and i need to read 270 pages in the next 1:20
21:00 < mnemoc> aaaarg...
21:02 < rxr> then stop chatting and go reading - I wish you much success -)
21:02 < mnemoc> thanks :)
21:03 < mnemoc> i have to buy a pen...
21:03 < jeru> mnemoc: wish you good luck too :)
21:04 < mnemoc> :)
21:04 < jeru> rxr: then 1-perl finished ?
21:04 < rxr> wel - the broken part got disabled builds now
21:04 < rxr> == 06/01/05 21:03:46 =[3]=> Finished building package sysfiles.
21:04 < rxr> 1-perl built on sparc, x86 and embedded-uclibc-arm and embedded-uclibc-x86
21:05 < jeru> ah cool
21:05 < mnemoc> .oO( i want nested targets )o
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: go learn
21:06 < mnemoc> ok
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: I got exmatriculed for too much t2 hacking - so go learn - I know the consequences ...
21:07 < mnemoc> oh
21:08 < mnemoc> i'll get unplugged and read on the grass....
21:08 < mnemoc> cu madtux, rxr, jeru
21:08 < jeru> cu mnemoc
21:09 < mnemoc> i hate marketing
21:09 < mnemoc> cu
21:09 < jeru> but read! not watching women walking by! ;)
21:09 < rxr> ot the sun, birds and sky ...
21:09 < rxr> I just made the build system check created files more strictly
21:10 < rxr> that is not allow created of files beside the allowed top-level directories ...
21:10 < rxr> formerly they would have been ingore (not put into the flist!) silently ...
21:12 < _Lewellyn> hm. /proc/modules on the machine failing to boot just adds more questions :(
21:12 * _Lewellyn will put info on the web later today. i think a few people may be interested in trying to poke at it via the internet.
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21:21 < rxr> !> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: xxx
21:21 < rxr> !> + echo '--- BUILD ERROR ---'
21:21 < rxr> ok - looks good
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21:28 < CIA-9> rene * r9303 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: (log message trimmed)
21:28 < CIA-9> * closed a build system hole: It was possible to inject files beside
21:28 < CIA-9> the allowed top level directories where the files would have been
21:28 < CIA-9> silently ignore before. Now, as like create outside builddir, the
21:28 < CIA-9> files are tracked and the build aborted. (Ever wondered how the
21:28 < CIA-9> unarchived a2ps.* crap got into the build root? ,-)
21:28 < CIA-9> * removed stray error hiding empty if ; then : ;fi statements around
21:58 < valentin> re
22:01 < rxr> hi
22:01 < valentin> hi rxr
22:01 < valentin> r9303 rocks ...
22:03 < rxr> valentin: ?
22:03 < _Lewellyn> i agree
22:05 < rxr> .o(ironic or real ... ?)
22:05 < valentin> i wonder why the person that wrote that wrapper did not fix
22:05 < _Lewellyn> rxr: real
22:06 < rxr> valentin: I like the off-by one trapped today way more ,-)
22:10 < _Lewellyn> i missed that, i think
22:16 < rxr> ouhm - sparc still building - slow horse ...
22:23 < rxr> == 18:18:56 =[5]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.5 2.2.0-alpha].
22:23 < rxr> and still building - as usual
22:25 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9304 /trunk/package/selinux/polgen/polgen.desc:
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated package description text.
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated maintainers email
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated polgen (1.0s -> 1.1)
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated download url
22:25 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9305 /branches/2.1/package/selinux/polgen/polgen.desc:
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated package description text.
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated maintainers email
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated polgen (1.0s -> 1.1)
22:25 < CIA-9> * updated download url
22:26 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9306 /branches/2.1/package/selinux/setools/setools.desc:
22:26 < CIA-9> * updated author information
22:26 < CIA-9> * updated maintainers email
22:26 < CIA-9> * updated setools (2.0 -> 2.1.1)
22:26 < CIA-9> * updated download url
22:27 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9308 /trunk/package/selinux/slat/slat.desc:
22:27 < CIA-9> * updated maintainer email
22:27 < CIA-9> * updated download url
22:27 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9307 /trunk/package/selinux/setools/setools.desc:
22:27 < CIA-9> * updated author information
22:27 < CIA-9> * updated maintainers email
22:27 < CIA-9> * updated setools (2.0 -> 2.1.1)
22:27 < CIA-9> * updated download url
22:28 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9309 /branches/2.1/package/selinux/slat/slat.desc:
22:28 < CIA-9> * updated maintainer email
22:28 < CIA-9> * updated download url
22:28 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9310 /trunk/package/selinux/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * updated maintainer email
22:28 < valentin> are we supposed to update 2.1 ?
22:30 < madtux> valentin, relax it won't affect anything there.
22:30 < valentin> ah, you only updated the text info in 2.1
22:30 < valentin> that is ok :)
22:30 < madtux> 2 packages also but they are disabled
22:31 < valentin> ok
22:31 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9311 /branches/2.1/package/selinux/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * updated maintainer email
22:32 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9313 /trunk/target/router/router.txt: * updated maintainer email
22:32 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9312 /branches/2.1/target/router/router.txt: * updated maintainer email
22:33 < jeru> .oO( it seems that mnemoc motivated somebody with his rude behavior ;)o
22:34 < madtux> ;P
22:34 < madtux> maybe it was the rat
22:34 < jeru> :D
22:36 < jeru> madtux: btw, you don't have to fear the rat as long as you give him some food and some devotion ;)
22:39 < madtux> good..
22:39 < rxr> hm - sparc64 5-glibc still building ...
22:39 < rxr> me crawling into bed - cu early in the morning^W night
22:39 < madtux> rxr, it takes 1/2 a bit..
22:40 < jeru> rxr: good night
22:40 < rxr> well - ok the box only build on it for 2 hours so far, soo ...
22:40 < rxr> ,-)
22:40 < rxr> cu
22:40 < rxr> n8 all
22:40 < madtux> cya ren
22:42 < _Lewellyn> sleep well
22:50 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9314 /trunk/package/x86/syslinux/syslinux.desc: * updated syslinux (3.07 -> 3.08)
22:50 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9315 /trunk/target/router/download.txt: * updated syslinux (3.07 -> 3.08)
22:51 < CIA-9> miguelb * r9316 /trunk/target/bootdisk/download.txt: * updated syslinux (3.07 -> 3.08)
22:56 < jeru> ok ... will go sleep too ... good night
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23:01 < valentin> gn8 rxr, jeru
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