--- Log opened Wed May 18 00:00:50 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> it would be nice to have a mirror on san francisco :)
00:01 < mnemoc> s/ on / at /
00:02 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i was wondering how much bandwidth you guys use.
00:02 < _Lewellyn> need to colo a new box soonish.
00:03 < _Lewellyn> and i won't be needing all my bandwidth
00:03 < mnemoc> :D
00:03 < _Lewellyn> (and there's selfishness involved: i don't like laggy mirrors)
00:03 < rxr> right now not too much - I hope that increases soon due to the upcomming PR
00:04 < mnemoc> chilean mirror has only 128kbps international :|
00:04 < _Lewellyn> ok. so, the install stuff would go into a custmain function, based on what the handbook says?
00:04 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: :( that sucks.
00:04 < mnemoc> avoid custmain as far as you can
00:04 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes - instead of custmain use my above approach
00:05 < rxr> set makeopt and makeinstopt to "" and use hook_add inmake 5 "your code or function"
00:05 < _Lewellyn> hm. so, a 7-line function is fine for inmake?
00:06 < mnemoc> sure
00:06 < _Lewellyn> ok. and inmake should have all the install stuff, too?
00:07 < valentin> hiho mnemoc btw
00:07 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes it is fine to build and install in your one function
00:07 < _Lewellyn> ok. wanted to be clear on that. esp since there is no ininstall
00:08 < mnemoc> hi valentin :)
00:08 < mnemoc> try to split it
00:08 < mnemoc> premake, inmake, postmake
00:08 < rxr> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/dbus/
00:08 < mnemoc> install procedures go on postmake
00:12 < rxr> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/hal/
00:16 < _Lewellyn> should installed binaries be stripped? or does it not matter?
00:16 < _Lewellyn> (i'm of the latter persuasion)
00:16 < rxr> the build system will handle this
00:16 < rxr> it will only be stripped of the user asks for this - that is the default
00:17 < rxr> you should not need to anything about that ...
00:17 < _Lewellyn> ok. how will the build system know which file will be the one i install?
00:17 < _Lewellyn> arch/linux.i386/bin/ok/ksh is the file that gets installed
00:17 < rxr> you mean to archive it later on?
00:17 < _Lewellyn> well, i'm still trying to figure out the "proper" way to install
00:17 < rxr> that is detected thru the selected file tracking facility - normally a preload library traping open/read and such ...
00:17 < rxr> _Lewellyn: just cp it ...
00:18 < rxr> or use install
00:18 < rxr> as you like ... - it does not matter ...
00:18 < rxr> cp to $root/bin/ and $root/$mandir/manX/
00:19 < mnemoc> $bindir
00:20 < rxr> well - it is a shell - most have this way hardcoded ..
00:21 < mnemoc> :)
00:21 < mnemoc> proper is prefix=; set_confopt
00:26 < rxr> and I thought I'm the most pedantic .conf reviewer ...
00:30 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
00:34 < CIA-10> rene * r8922 /trunk/package/shells/pdksh/pdksh.conf: 
00:34 < CIA-10> * fixed pdksh to properly set the prefix to '' (make mnemoc happy)
00:34 < CIA-10> * fixed manual to exist in $mandir/man1/ ...
00:36 < _Lewellyn> heh
00:37 < _Lewellyn> rxr: by default, ksh installs its man page as sh.1. i'm going to install it as ksh.1 and symlink it to rksh.1.
00:37 < rxr> should good
00:37 < rxr> sounds even ...
00:46 < _Lewellyn> is there a way to tell it not to try to download from the mirror? not that i am expecting the package wrapper to change terribly often...
00:47 < _Lewellyn> or do the mirrors automatically check if the source file has changed?
00:48 < _Lewellyn> alternatively, how do i avoid the errors when i have no "[D]"?
00:49 < rxr> _Lewellyn: what do you wakt about ...
00:49 < rxr> do you expect manual downloads? you must have a [D] ...
00:49 < rxr> do you use the T2 scripts no - or do you add the package do your rock tree right now ?
00:49 < _Lewellyn> i have it in my rock tree right now
00:50 < rxr> well - the [D] tag handling has improved a lot in T2 (as nearly any area ...)
00:50 < rxr> what do you want to do with your download ?=
00:51 < _Lewellyn> i want to have it manually downloaded. mainly because i can't figure out where it ends up so i can chmod it and run it.
00:51 < CIA-10> rene * r8923 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (hal.desc hal.init postsysfiles.in): * updated hal (0.5.1 -> 0.5.2)
00:51 < rxr> the file ends up in $archdir/ ...
00:51 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok.
00:52 < rxr> why do you want to run it ?
00:52 < rxr> is it self extracting ?
00:52 < _Lewellyn> no, it's a shell script
00:52 < rxr> I got normal .tar.gz when I wanted to package it ...
00:52 < _Lewellyn> if i have no [D}, I get this:
00:52 < _Lewellyn> Can't auto-detect srctar for package 'ksh'!
00:52 < rxr> you need a D tag - how do you expect us others to download it ?
00:52 < _Lewellyn> i'm downloading their packager and letting it deal with building ksh
00:53 < rxr> .oO (that is not how a T2 pacakge should look like)
00:53 < _Lewellyn> using their sample code which uses wget or curl.
00:53 < _Lewellyn> well, they have a wonky build system
00:53 < rxr> .oO (a package should not try downloads within a build - might be sandboxed normaally without i-net and for other reasons anyway)
00:54 < rxr> can you post your current .conf into a query ?
00:54 < _Lewellyn> http://www.research.att.com/~gsf/download/faq.build.html
00:55 < _Lewellyn> let me see if it works with the [D] line and editing the chmod
00:55 < _Lewellyn> i'm waiting right now :(
00:57 < _Lewellyn> it seems to be building.
00:57 < _Lewellyn> i'll query my conf over anyway
00:58 < valentin> rxr: did you write Live-CD or Live CD ?
00:58 < valentin> just aiming for some consitency in our articles...
00:59 < rxr> ouhm - Live CD I think
00:59 < rxr> $ grep "Live CD" * | wc -l
00:59 < rxr> 16
00:59 < rxr> $ grep "Live-CD" * | wc -l
00:59 < rxr> 14
00:59 < rxr> ouhm
00:59 < _Lewellyn> sounds like Live CD is winning...
01:00 < valentin> hehe
01:01 < valentin> looks a bit similar here, so it is quite consistent :)
01:01 < valentin> though i do not need the term very often
01:01 < rxr> oh - counted the ~ backup
01:01 < rxr> $ grep "Live CD" *.txt  | wc -l
01:01 < rxr> 8
01:01 < rxr> $ grep "Live-CD" *.txt  | wc -l
01:01 < rxr> 7
01:01 < rxr> not much of a difference ...
01:01 < valentin> just a turing test for the editors ,)
01:05 < rxr> valentin: how is your work going ?
01:05 < valentin> quite good, thanks
01:06 < valentin> screenshots are complete, text mostly finished
01:06 < valentin> i do a final edit now
01:07 < valentin> how would you refer to T2 : "... graphisches Konfigurationswerkzeug der T2 SDE ..." ?
01:09 < rxr> hoehrt sich doch ok an
01:09 < mnemoc> re
01:09 < _Lewellyn> re re
01:10 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
01:10 < rxr> I think I'm in bed soon
01:10 < mnemoc> rxr: pedantic? :)
01:12 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: did you notice the commit? :)
01:12 < mnemoc> 8922?
01:12 < _Lewellyn> yup
01:13 < mnemoc> let me see...
01:13 < _Lewellyn> just the message
01:14 < mnemoc> :)
01:14 < mnemoc> i read it on the backlog
01:14 < mnemoc> i tought he had written something on .conf also
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01:15 < valentin> rxr: following two days will be a pure coding marathon...
01:16 < rxr> valentin: do you have a written date for the gold master?
01:16 < rxr> I fear we might not get your network and hal properly integrated until that date ...
01:16 < rxr> today I already scolled thru my mail and found no written occurance of the date
01:19 < rxr> 15919: using temporary file '/etc/.fstab.hal.b'
01:19 < rxr> 15919: Could not open temporary file for writing in directory '/etc': Permission denied
01:19 < rxr> 15919: Releasing advisory lock on /etc/fstab
01:19 < rxr> 15919: Lock released
01:19 < rxr> hal get's on my nerves
01:19 < rxr> this is such crappy fluff ...
01:19 < rxr> if it would not be much work, too I would write it from scratch ..
01:19 < rxr> never let gnome trolls get in touch to code - they _will_: create crap of it ...
01:19 < rxr> damn
01:20 < rxr> I should invest time writing my own OS from scratch ...
01:20 < mnemoc> if it would not be much work, you would write world from scratch
01:20 < rxr> seeing this C madness makes me feel so sick ...
01:20 < rxr> yeah - the world is yet another topic ...
01:21 < rxr> how can people write such shitty code .. damn ...
01:21 < mnemoc> world was written in lisp
01:21 < rxr> omg - that could be true ...
01:21 < rxr> judging from the avg. inteligence of mankind ..
01:21 < rxr> ^Whumankind
01:24 < rxr> ah!
01:24 < rxr> so - finally ..
01:24 < rxr> /dev/hdb                /media/cdrom1           auto    pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
01:25 < rxr> altough I later have to teach hal ont to throw this properitary keywords into it ...
01:25 < rxr> but that is a easiy xml file edit ...
01:26 < valentin> rxr: you told me gold master would be 2005-05-20 ?
01:26 < rxr> when I told this he might have told me ...
01:26 < rxr> jsut that I found no note on that anymore ...
01:27 < rxr> mental note: place more notes on the desk and the usual other locations ...
01:28 < rxr> I wonder how the h*ll those hal freaks thought it would work out
01:28 < rxr> they run with relaxed permissions as UID/GUI 15 or whatever one hands hald and rely on third pary helpers to analyze media and alter fstab ...
01:28 < valentin> strange - i am quite sure i read this date in a mail that was fwd by you....
01:28 < rxr> this does not work when installed vanilla ..
01:28 < valentin> but i did not find it with an ad-hoc search
01:28 < rxr> permission deined everwhere ...
01:29 < rxr> valentin: me neither
01:29 < rxr> google says nothing
01:29 < rxr> and I thought fc is selinux security enhanced by default ...
01:29 < rxr> for testing I run all the helpers seduid root - but I doubt that is the solution ...
01:29 < valentin> if we could delay gold master over the weekend, it could be far more advanced
01:30 < rxr> yep - then HAL would work (when I beat it a few more days - damn crap - me kicks it)
01:30 < rxr> .o(I woulc even write it in C++ from scratch until then ,-)
01:31 < rxr> I fear the publishers only downloaded crappy isos due to dieing harddisk today ...
01:31 < rxr> that would be bad PR ...
01:31 < rxr> aside that media still do not show up on the desktop and no network ocnfig :-)(
01:32 < valentin> still no result
01:33 < valentin> rxr: PC!Linux or Linux intern ?
01:35 < rxr> linux intern I think
01:35 < rxr> do not waste time on that - just write / hack
01:35 < rxr> we'll see
01:35 < valentin> li will be out quite late
01:36 < valentin> they have article deadline in mid of jun !
01:36 < valentin> pc!l had the deadline on friday
01:36 < valentin> ok, i do not care now
01:36 < valentin> i fear they will tell us soon ...
01:38 < rxr> 01:35:48.462 [I] device_info.c:1370: *** Matched file /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-storage-policy.fdi
01:38 < rxr> wow
01:39 < rxr> and what which of the 212 lines in that file - damn crap ?!?!?
01:50 < sparc-kly|G4> lol T2 desktop freeze my AMD XP :D . i need check my crap CPU .
01:52 < valentin> XP == eXPerimental
01:53 < valentin> damn, i need a real office chair
01:53 < valentin> this one gets on my back and nerves
01:53 < sparc-kly|G4> xtra performance 
01:53 < sparc-kly|G4> hehehehe
01:55 < rxr> ah!
01:55 < rxr> why did the mountpoint appear now ..
01:55 < rxr> well - crap code ...
01:56 < rxr> valentin: can we phone quickly ?
01:59 < mnemoc> echo "hi"; sleep 1; echo "bye"
01:59 < valentin> ok, i phone you
02:00 < rxr> ok
02:31 < rxr> n8
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02:32 < mnemoc> sent 163905 bytes  received 91734457 bytes  9016.27 bytes/sec
02:32 < mnemoc> total size is 565635072  speedup is 6.16
02:32 < mnemoc> r10 to r13 is big
02:37 < valentin> gn8 rxr
02:38 < valentin> is there something which has the same effects like a strong coffe but only lasts about 30 minutes ?
02:38 < valentin> i mean, something besides cocaine ?
02:38 < _Lewellyn> a small bump of methampetamines? *shrug*
02:39 < valentin> something legal ? *g*
02:40 < _Lewellyn> i suppose it's legal someplace ;)
02:40 < _Lewellyn> as a rule, if it's fun or useful, it's not legal ;)
02:45 < _Lewellyn> ok. if i set prefix to "", bindir and mandir are under /usr.
02:45 < _Lewellyn> should I override that? i generally am uncomfortable about shells under /usr.
02:57 < mnemoc> uhm?
02:57 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: uhm what?
02:58 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: read scripts/functions:468
02:58 < mnemoc>  <_Lewellyn> ok. if i set prefix to "", bindir and mandir are under /usr. <--- if prefix='', bindir=/bin
02:58 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: at the moment, i'm still running under rock. that line # doesn't have anything appropriate.
02:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: but you _must_ run set_confopt after setting prefix
02:59 < _Lewellyn> not confopt=""?
02:59 < mnemoc> no no
02:59 < _Lewellyn> i saw no mention of set_confopt in the handbook.
02:59 < mnemoc> set_confopt is a function
02:59 < mnemoc> on rock and t2
03:00 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 t2-stable <--- a must have ;)
03:01 < mnemoc> confopt is for internal usage
03:01 < _Lewellyn> that will have to wait until i migrate machines and then upgrade to t2
03:01 < mnemoc> having a working copy is harmless
03:01 < _Lewellyn> nowhere to put it right now, except my nfs homedir.
03:01 < mnemoc> outch
03:01 < _Lewellyn> and root can't get to that, if i need to do anything as root.
03:02 < _Lewellyn> sudo on my homedir is hit or miss under linux.
03:02 < mnemoc> if you want to add arguments to ./configure use $extraconfopt
03:02 < _Lewellyn> there is no ./configure
03:02 < mnemoc> ok :)
03:03 < mnemoc> do you got ksh installed on prefix=usr after r8922?
03:04 < _Lewellyn> r8922?
03:04 < mnemoc> revision 8922
03:04 < _Lewellyn> ah
03:04 < mnemoc>  * fixed pdksh to properly set the prefix to '' (make mnemoc happy)
03:04 < _Lewellyn> i've modified my pdksh that's installed to not conflict. i'm trying to get the at&t ksh to build as a package.
03:05 < _Lewellyn> i've not looked at that package since.
03:05  * _Lewellyn looks
03:05 < mnemoc> oh, i forgot you don't have a working copy of t2 :(
03:05 < _Lewellyn> aha
03:05 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: until hopefully tomorrow, yes.
03:06 < mnemoc> :)
03:06 < _Lewellyn> how far off (guesstimate) is rc?
03:06 < mnemoc> please rephrase that
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03:07 < _Lewellyn> do you have a guess as to when there may be a rc iso available?
03:07 < sparc-kly> Linux amd 2.6.10-dist #1 Mon Jan 24 12:17:51 CET 2005 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
03:07 < sparc-kly> :D 
03:07 < mnemoc> 2.1? rc1 will be tagged when i finish java re-organization
03:08 < _Lewellyn> ya, that's what i was wondering when it may be done.
03:08 < _Lewellyn> if it's only going to be a matter of days, i'll just hold off till then.
03:09 < mnemoc> i'm almost alone on that ... but i expect to get it this week
03:09 < mnemoc> all other brokes can be fixed after rc1
03:09 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
03:10 < sparc-kly> mnemoc what distribution you use ? 
03:10 < mnemoc> t2/mnemosyne :)
03:12 < _Lewellyn> hm. i just discovered why i don't have python support in the default vim :(
03:12 < sparc-kly> my t2-trunk is 2.2 alpha . is good idea compile menemosyne or i need downgrade my t2-trunk to 2.1 
03:12 < mnemoc> it should work on both
03:13 < mnemoc> but as you should expect, i suggest 2.1 :)
03:17 < sparc-kly> t2 is fast in my athlon and only optimized to i686 
03:19 < mnemoc> i have been using rock/t2 exclusively since 2002... i can't comparewith others :)
03:23 < sparc-kly>  -- Base                                                         ? ?
03:23 < sparc-kly>   ? ?       (HD)     Boot from Harddisk 
03:23 < sparc-kly> explicame eso 
03:23 < sparc-kly> eso sale en la distro tuya
03:23 < sparc-kly> sorry
03:24  * sparc-kly remember english channel 
03:24  * sparc-kly remember english channel 
03:24 < sparc-kly> my mind work in spanish 
03:24 < mnemoc> mnemosyne use 'bricks' selection
03:25 < mnemoc> you select which bricks you want on your build
03:25 < mnemoc> but beware, mnemosyne is not an standard linux
03:25 < valentin> mnemosyne is mnemoc linux
03:26 < mnemoc> mnemoc is not standard :)
03:29 < valentin> but then, who is ?
03:30 < mnemoc> the thing is, how far from sigma you are ;)
03:33 < sparc-kly> what version of gnome have beta4 
03:33 < sparc-kly> 2.8 ?
03:34 < valentin> mnemoc: sigma restriced to linux hackers ?
03:35 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: 2.10 iirc
03:36 < mnemoc> valentin: with that set i guess i'm in :)
03:38 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: 2.10.1 will be merged and tested after rc1 (which has 2.10.0)
04:20  * sparc-kly is away: building T2 desktop : 
04:22 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: finally :D
04:25 < sparc-kly> yeahh :D 
04:26 < sparc-kly> one dumb question ? ? 
04:27 < mnemoc> sure
04:27 < mnemoc> ask
04:27 < sparc-kly> i need nano . T2 have emerge ? ports? apt? or i need download manual package 
04:28 < mnemoc> emerge
04:28 < mnemoc> but if you know you will need nano, add nano to your pkgsel
04:28 < mnemoc> so you get it into your ISO
04:30 < sparc-kly> root@amd:/home/mubex/t2/scripts# ./Emerge-Pkg nano
04:30 < sparc-kly>  <-- this is correct ?
04:30 < mnemoc> no
04:30 < mnemoc> always from T2's root
04:30 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg nano
04:30 < mnemoc> but you need a "default" config set
04:31 < mnemoc> or ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg foo nano
04:31 < mnemoc> if your config is called foo
04:31 < mnemoc> and if you don't want to check for dependencies add -deps=none
04:32 < sparc-kly> what config i need . i need check handbook 
04:32 < mnemoc> the config used to build your running machine is at /etc/ROCK-CONFIG
04:33 < mnemoc> you can copy that files into config/something/
04:33 < mnemoc> and then ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none -cfg something nano
04:36 < _Lewellyn> why would you want -deps=none?
04:37 < mnemoc> he has beta3
04:37 < mnemoc> -deps != none will rebuild his whole machine :)
04:37 < mnemoc> and he is building a new target to replace that machine, so updating it is unnecesary
04:38 < _Lewellyn> ah.
04:38 < _Lewellyn> how will he be sure to have the deps on the new machine?
04:39 < mnemoc> on the new machine he can't
04:39 < mnemoc> just 'trust' target maintainer
04:39 < valentin> its light again outside
04:39 < mnemoc> sun?!
04:40 < _Lewellyn> it's getting dark here.
04:40 < mnemoc> it's getting cold here
04:40  * _Lewellyn lights a fire for mnemoc 
04:40 < mnemoc> thanks :)
04:41 < sparc-kly> i have beta 4 t2-2.1.0-beta4.tar.bz2
04:43 < mnemoc> to build nano, don't worry about deps ;)
04:43 < mnemoc> do it -dry-run   to see the impact
04:43 < mnemoc> without -deps of course
04:43 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run -cfg something nano
04:44 < valentin> 1813 words - i think i send it now
04:45 < mnemoc> livecd article?
04:47 < valentin> t2 network configuration article 
04:48 < mnemoc> old style of centred in your GUI?
04:48 < mnemoc> did you covered iwdetect ? :)
04:49 < valentin> mnemoc: no
04:49 < mnemoc> :(
04:49 < mnemoc> is it to ugly?
04:50 < valentin> it is mainly about the gui because it is a section for the t2 live cd coverage
04:50 < valentin> if iwdetect rules, one could create a complete article about that
04:50 < valentin> so, sun is about to rise and i will catch some sleep
04:50 < mnemoc> 1813 words _inside_ livecd coverage? is the whole issue about t2 livecd?
04:51 < valentin> well, a big part is
04:51 < mnemoc> amazing
04:52 < valentin> let's hope there will be a live CD, too .oO
04:53 < mnemoc> will you translate it for www.t2-project.org?
04:53 < mnemoc> where is jeru?!
04:53 < valentin> mnemoc: there may be copyright issues
04:54 < valentin> jeru hides :)
04:54 < _Lewellyn> valentin: tell them that i'm a stubborn american who can't speak any other languages and i want to read it ;)
04:54 < valentin> damn, it is so late now that i get awake again
04:55 < valentin> _Lewellyn: and a chinese guy did the translation - and china does not care about copyright stuff *g*
04:55 < mnemoc> valentin: even if you reference the source and promote the magazine?
04:56 < valentin> well - maybe
04:56 < valentin> i can ask the ... ouhm ... _Lewellyn: editor in chief ?
04:56 < _Lewellyn> valentin: "head honcho" :)
04:57 < valentin> I'll start my letter with Dear mr. head honcho, 
04:57 < mnemoc> is _Lewellyn "editor in chief" ?
04:58 < valentin> mnemoc: that was not my question ...
04:58 < valentin> so - i wanted to finish the article 12h before now
04:58 < _Lewellyn> valentin: editor-in-chief is probably his title, though :)
04:58 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: are you releated to the magazine?
04:59 < valentin> hehe
04:59 < valentin> we confused him
04:59 < mnemoc> yes
04:59 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i am not. :)
05:00 < valentin> hu is the leader of china.
05:00 < _Lewellyn> i'm just an american who can only speak a small bit of spanish and not much else.
05:01 < mnemoc> spanish? take a look into this freak thing: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/Raulitio%20el%20Friki/
05:01 < valentin> gn8 mnemoc, _Lewellyn and all you creatures of night out there
05:01 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin :)
05:02 < _Lewellyn> yo hablo un poquito, solo.
05:02 < _Lewellyn> sleep well valentin 
05:02 < mnemoc> i think you will be able to understand those
05:02 < mnemoc> s/solo/solamente/
05:02 < _Lewellyn> see? only a small bit :)
05:03 < sparc-kly> spanish :D 
05:03 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: spanish but without the bad words you use :)
05:04 < sparc-kly> :D
05:37 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-g-groff-1.19.1.tar.bz2 -> skip download.
05:37 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-g-gawk-3.1.4.tar.bz2
05:37 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-s-sed-4.1.4.tar.bz2 -> skip download.
05:38 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-m-make-3.80.tar.bz2 -> skip download.
05:38 < sparc-kly> wtf is that ?
05:38 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-b-bash30-016 -> skip download.
05:38 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-b-bison-2.0.tar.bz2 -> skip download.
05:38 < sparc-kly> lots of skip?
05:39 < mnemoc> they are locked
05:39 < mnemoc> you may have another Download running
05:46 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-g-gperf-3.0.1.tar.bz2 -> skip download.
05:46 < sparc-kly> Found src/down.lockfile.download-mirror-a-autoconf-2.59.tar.bz2 -> skip download.
05:46 < sparc-kly> same hystory
05:46 < sparc-kly> i only have one dowbnload prosses
05:46 < sparc-kly> bad spell
05:46 < sparc-kly> hehe
05:53 < mnemoc> if you are really sure only one Download is running, rm -rf src/
05:53 < mnemoc> and no Config is running neither
06:14 < CIA-10> amery * r8924 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/parse-config: * fixed java-dirtree/parse-config CLASSPATH
06:30 < CIA-10> amery * r8925 /branches/2.1/package/develop/ffcall/ffcall.desc: * injected ffcall checksum
06:33 < CIA-10> amery * r8926 /branches/2.1/package/ (5 files in 5 dirs): * injected checksum for jpeg2ps, asymptote, kxdocker, kaffeine and l7-filter
06:43 < CIA-10> amery * r8927 /trunk/package/java/jikes/jikes.desc: * changed jikes to use java-common-conf.in
06:50 < CIA-10> amery * r8928 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/ (java-common-conf.in java-conf.in parse-config): * injected missing copyright notes on java-dirtree
06:53 < CIA-10> amery * r8929 /trunk/package/java/classpath/ (classpath.conf classpath.desc workaround-bug-21418.patch): 
06:53 < CIA-10> * repriorized classpath before JDKs
06:53 < CIA-10> * changed classpath to export it's CLASSPATH on parse-config
06:57 < CIA-10> amery * r8930 /trunk/package/java/apache-ant/ (apache-ant.conf apache-ant.desc): 
06:57 < CIA-10> * changed apache-ant to install on opt/java, using java-conf.in
06:57 < CIA-10> * fixed profile.d/ant, $root doesn't go there
06:57 < CIA-10> * marked apache-ant as KAFFE aware
06:57 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: do you sleep?
06:58 < mnemoc> not yet
06:59 < CIA-10> amery * r8931 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/ (kaffe.conf kaffe.desc): 
06:59 < CIA-10> * changed kaffe to build on opt/java/kaffe, using java-common-conf.in
06:59 < CIA-10> * repriorized kaffe as other JDK/JREs
06:59 < _Lewellyn> how many more java packages need to be fixed up?
07:00 < mnemoc> not the packages, the integration
07:00 < mnemoc> i just want to be able to build ooo-m100 for now
07:00 < _Lewellyn> ok. i thought you had to fix up individual packages.
07:00 < mnemoc> they build fine ;)
07:01 < mnemoc> but ooo-m100 need bdb java bindings
07:01 < mnemoc> what means repriorization of java core
07:01 < _Lewellyn> what is ooo-m100 and what is bdb?
07:01 < mnemoc> since m100 they _need_ bdb, and they _need_ it via java
07:02 < mnemoc> even --without-java
07:02  * _Lewellyn still doesn't know what you're talking about
07:02 < mnemoc> ooo=OpenOffice.org
07:03 < mnemoc> src680, their 1.9 branch, is versioned reciently as mXXX
07:03 < _Lewellyn> ah.
07:03 < _Lewellyn> and what's bdb?
07:03 < mnemoc> bdb is berkley database
07:03 < _Lewellyn> oh. duh.
07:03 < _Lewellyn> i do not associate that with java in the least.
07:03 < mnemoc> the most used database library
07:04 < mnemoc> it's used for 'internal databases' on many many packages
07:04 < mnemoc> so it builds quite early
07:04 < mnemoc> i have to build java before that to get the bindings built
07:04 < _Lewellyn> ya, but i was unaware that you COULD use it from java
07:04 < mnemoc> bindings do that
07:04 < _Lewellyn> i know little about java. just enough to run screaming when someone drops java code in front of me.
07:05 < mnemoc> i also know nothing, but we need it on T2
07:05 < mnemoc> so i took the job
07:06 < _Lewellyn> ooo is losing points in my book.
07:06 < _Lewellyn> i hope it can at least handle reasonably standard word and excel documents now.
07:06 < _Lewellyn> let alone the kinds made by marketing departments.
07:07 < _Lewellyn> "what's wrong with including a full-page image on each page for 30 consecutive pages?"
07:07 < mnemoc> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/16/2012229
07:22 < _Lewellyn> bah. sounds almost as lame as the khtml/safari thing
07:23 < _Lewellyn> yay falling into lockstep with rms's crazy belief system
07:24 < mnemoc> c'est la vie
07:24 < _Lewellyn> also, REQUIRING java for install is lame.
07:25 < mnemoc> actually only for building
07:25 < _Lewellyn> oh.
07:25 < mnemoc> but mixing technologies is lame
07:25 < _Lewellyn> that's actually kind of odd to reuqire java to build, but not at runtime.
07:25 < _Lewellyn> yes.
07:25 < _Lewellyn> unless it serves an obvious need.
07:25 < _Lewellyn> correct tool for the job and all.
07:26 < mnemoc> ooo repository weights 1.2G
07:26 < _Lewellyn> i don't see an obvious need here: requiring java to use bdb.
07:26 < _Lewellyn> urk.
07:26 < _Lewellyn> they've out-microsofted microsoft.
07:27 < mnemoc> are they optimizing their source using external java tool?, i doubt
07:27 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
07:27 < _Lewellyn> ms uses vs.net ;)
07:28 < _Lewellyn> anyway, i need to run and get food before everything closes.
07:28 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 
07:28 < _Lewellyn> night
07:28 < _Ragnar_> hi mnemoc :)
07:29 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep soon
07:29 < _Ragnar_> okay
07:29 < mnemoc> gn8 _Lewellyn 
07:29 < _Ragnar_> nini :)
07:29 < _Ragnar_> sleep well
07:29 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: how was your 2.1 experience?
07:30 < _Ragnar_> good mainly
07:30 < mnemoc> do you see any showstoper?
07:32 < _Ragnar_> no I don't
07:32 < _Ragnar_> I wouldn't think uclibc should be one anyway
07:32 < _Ragnar_> most of the base stuff compiles, and I doubt anyone would really wanna do X or stuff on uclibc;)
07:32 < mnemoc> :)
07:33 < mnemoc> i would consider a showstoper to rc1 something which fix would break compatibility
07:33 < _Ragnar_> hmmm
07:33 < _Ragnar_> with what?
07:34 < mnemoc> or something as important broken that we can't release with it broken
07:34 < mnemoc> api, abi, config, prefix
07:34 < mnemoc> dependencies, ...
07:34 < _Ragnar_> that looks all nice
07:34 < _Ragnar_> at least from the packages I got to compile
07:35 < mnemoc> great to know :)
07:35 < _Ragnar_> :)
07:55 < mnemoc> finally, gn8 :)
07:59 < CIA-10> amery * r8932 /trunk/package/java/classpath/parse-config: * added forgotten classpath parse-config
08:01 < CIA-10> amery * r8933 /trunk/package/database/bdb/ (bdb.desc bdb_config.sh): 
08:01 < CIA-10> * changed bdb to enable java bindings if JAVA_HOME is set, prefering jikes as compiler if installed.
08:01 < CIA-10> * marked bdb as KAFFE
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10:20 < jeru> moin
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11:22 < jeru> hi veki
11:24 < valentin> moin
11:25 < jeru> moin don valentino :)
11:25 < valentin> moin jeru
11:26 < valentin> vampyre veki : quite early ...
11:26 < jeru> btw, why is veki a vampyre ?
11:27 < valentin> 'cause hy haunth uth at night
11:43 < jeru> rxr: are you around ?
11:45 < valentin> rxr regenerates
11:46 < jeru> valentin: hehe ... aaaahh ... right ... he was out yesterday ;
11:48 < CIA-10> chris * r8934 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added tcp_wrappers package because portmap needs it
11:49 < jeru> valentin: the desktop build for my friends athlon-xp laptop is nearly finished 
11:49 < jeru> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg athlon
11:49 < jeru> Error logs from athlon-2.1.0-rc1-x86-athlon-xp-desktop:
11:49 < jeru>  [5] mail/spamassassin                   [5] e17/e-utils
11:49 < jeru> 664 builds total, 662 completed fine, 2 with errors.
11:51 < valentin> not too bad ...
11:53 < jeru> yep ...  :)
11:54 < jeru> but spamassassin is still segfaulting while building spamc ... but I will upgrade it and try to build it again
11:54 < rxr> jeru: hi
11:56 < jeru> hi rxr :)
11:57 < jeru> rxr: hope you're fully functional today :)
11:57 < rxr> why not *g* ?
11:57 < jeru> because valentin told me, that you have to regenerate ... 
11:57 < rxr> I think he meant the "normal" sleep cycle ...
11:58 < jeru> ahh ... I see ... I was thinking you have to regenerate after you visited susan
11:58 < jeru> ;)
11:59 < jeru> rxr: btw, I've finished building a desktop target from 2.1 branch ... but still having 2 errors 
12:00 < jeru> rxr: first one is spamassassin ... but it segafaults also after an upgrade ... should I commit the upgrade anyway ?
12:03 < jeru> btw, IBM will pick up my R40 today ... hopefully I'll get it back soon
12:04 -!- jeru is now known as jeru|lunch
12:09 < valentin> moin rxr
12:09 < valentin> rxr: 1813 words ...
12:11 < rxr> valentin: better send it out ASAP
12:13 < rxr> l
12:27 < rxr> jeru|lunch: r14 is up and rsyncable. ..
12:27 < rxr> if you wanna continue testing ,-)
12:35 < CIA-10> rene * r8935 /trunk/package/network/amule/amule.desc: * updated amule (2.0.0 -> 2.0.1)
12:35 < CIA-10> rene * r8936 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * updated afterstep (2.00.04 -> 2.1.0)
12:45 < valentin> rxr: i sent it in the night {yester,to}day
12:45 < valentin> of course i finished it before going into bed
12:46 -!- jeru|lunch is now known as jeru
12:46 < jeru> rxr: ok ... syncing now :)
12:48 < rxr> valentin: ah
12:49 < CIA-10> chris * r8937 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: 
12:49 < CIA-10> * updated spamassassin (3.0.2 -> 3.0.3)
12:49 < CIA-10> * Note: the segfault while building spamc still exists
12:49 < rxr> valentin: I fwd a mail - some copany wants some features in the scan (not driver) software I think that I do not quite understand ...
12:49 < rxr> jeru: I think it is more a perl bug ..
12:49 < rxr> once I had an idea where it comes from - but forgot it already ...
12:50 < rxr> I think we update perl - maybe it has a defect =
12:51 < jeru> rxr: what do you think ... should we downgrade perl ?
12:51 < rxr> hm - an update was not in betwee. ..0
12:51 < rxr> 2004-12-31 
12:51 < rxr> I think in early 2005 spamassassic still build ...
12:52 < rxr> however if you have time - just downdating it could be a try
12:52 < valentin> rxr: yeah - seems like you have to enable copy and paste in osx ...
12:52 < rxr> I think I already reverted the automatic fPIC injection - which made no difference
12:52 < rxr> valentin: this bug I understand - however not what they want to fix ...
12:52 < rxr> do you get a cloue ?
12:52 < rxr> clue even
12:53 < valentin> they want to fix sth ?
12:53 < valentin> i only understood they wanted more features
12:54 < rxr> yes - but I do not understand the fix scan source and such option ...
12:54 < rxr> AFAICS when they scan multiple itmes the scan options and such stay the same ..
12:54 < jeru> rxr: look at this -> http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4324
12:54 < rxr> maybe they want the dialog to be totally hidden an when the click on scan it just scans the batch of paper into the folder
12:54 < rxr> for total DAU users ...
12:55 < rxr> where the OSX box is coverint dust in a lonely corner ...
12:55 < valentin> rxr: i think they terminate their exactscan each time they do a scan
12:56 < rxr> jeru: this does not look like our bug, doesn it ?
12:56 < jeru> rxr: yes ... you're right 
12:58 < rxr> I think it is not spamassassin or erl itelf - but some ohter independant change in T2 that caused this to segfault ...
12:58 < rxr> one could svn up -r 2004-12-30 and build a minimal perl spamassasin system ...
12:59 < rxr> if that goes well try 2005-01-01 - if this goes well, too it is not the perl update ,-)
13:00 < rxr> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/
13:00 < rxr> contains t2 ,-)
13:01 < rxr> and generates hits ,-)
13:02 < jeru> hehe :)
13:02 < jeru> rxr: I'm already in #spamassassin ... trying to get some infos
13:04 < rxr> jeru: thanks
13:05 < jeru> r14 still syncing
13:05 < rxr> I just mailed them to ask us adding us in the not that filled embedded section:
13:05 < rxr> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Embedded/Distributions/index.shtml
13:05 < rxr> not even openembdded junk is there ,-)
13:07 < valentin> hehe
13:07 < jeru> rxr: <maxsec> looks like a broken make. what version of make are you running?
13:07 < jeru> <jeru> maxsec: are there any known problems using the latest perl version ?
13:07 < jeru> <maxsec> not seen any reports of problems with 5.8.6. I guess this is gnumake ??
13:07 < rxr> it is not crashing in make ...
13:07 < rxr> is it ?
13:08 < rxr> it is crashing in perl executing itself ...
13:08 < jeru> rxr: yes ... it's crashing while running make
13:08 < rxr> jeru: are you sure ?
13:08 < rxr> I debugged this once over an hour
13:08 < jeru> make: *** [spamc/Makefile] Segmentation fault
13:08 < rxr> I'm pretty sure it crashed in the configure.pl s.th ...
13:10 < rxr> debug-spamassassin:[spamc]# file  core 
13:10 < rxr> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'perl'
13:13 < rxr>           Must remake target `spamc/Makefile'.
13:13 < rxr> /usr/bin/perl spamc/configure.pl --prefix="/usr" --sysconfdir="/etc/spamassassin" --datadir="/usr/share/spamassassin" --enable-ssl="yes"
13:13 < rxr> Putting child 0x080936a8 (spamc/Makefile) PID 28425 on the chain.
13:13 < rxr> Live child 0x080936a8 (spamc/Makefile) PID 28425 
13:13 < rxr> cd spamc
13:13 < rxr> /usr/bin/perl version.h.pl
13:13 < rxr> Got a SIGCHLD; 1 unreaped children.
13:13 < rxr> Reaping losing child 0x080936a8 PID 28425 
13:13 < rxr> make: *** [spamc/Makefile] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
13:13 < rxr> [Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.2]# /usr/bin/perl spamc/configure.pl --prefix="/usr" --sysconfdir="/etc/spamassassin" --datadir="/usr/share/spamassassin" --enable-ssl="yes"
13:13 < rxr> cd spamc
13:13 < rxr> /usr/bin/perl version.h.pl
13:13 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
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13:14 < rxr> ^- the last is the maunal execution - crashing as well
13:14 < rxr> I tried to narrow it down further for some time - but it was too ugly - and I gave up
13:17 < rxr> I think the most likely stuff is that this is colateral damage caused by gcc or glibc update ...
13:17  * rxr finally showering and breakfast and such ...
13:20 < valentin> bbl
13:24 < jeru> rxr: <maxsec> hmm see if installing from CPAN makes any difference.. 
13:24 < jeru> rxr: but I've to prepare my laptop now, because it will be picked up by IBM in about 1h ... have to remove the HDD and all other custom stuff ;)
13:27 < jeru> rxr: the guy from #spamassassin told me that there is also a CPAN version besides the source version we use
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13:34 < mtr> moin
13:35 < jeru> moin mtr
13:35 < mtr> puuh, finally my dsl is working again
13:36 < jeru> rxr: btw, what are the major changes in r14 ?
13:43 < rxr> my copy of the european constitution arrived ,-)
13:43 < rxr> jeru: I announced to the list ,-)
13:43 < rxr> better DDC modes for you ,-)(
13:43 < rxr> + more stuff ...
13:43 < rxr> hi mtr 
13:46 < jeru> so ... have to leave now ... at least switching of my laptop ... cu later for reporting r14 test results ;)
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13:48 < mtr> hi rxr
14:35 < valentin> re
14:38 < mnemoc> moin
14:39 < rxr> mon mnemoc 
14:39 < rxr> +i
14:44 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:44 < mnemoc> moin valentin, mtr 
14:45 < mnemoc> jeru is hidding :(
14:45 < valentin> moin mnemoc 
14:46 < valentin> jeru knows your wake-up time :)
14:46 < mnemoc> :)
14:55 < CIA-10> amery * r8938 /trunk/package/java/jikes/jikes.conf: * removed jikes.conf because it's no longer needed
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15:22 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly|G4 
15:22 < mnemoc> sparc-kly|G4: how is your desktop build going? (branches/2.1 or beta4?)
15:24 < sparc-kly|G4> beta4
15:24 < mnemoc> :|
15:24 < sparc-kly|G4> q
15:25 < mnemoc> how is it going?
15:26 < sparc-kly|G4> in download
15:26 < mnemoc> oh
15:27 < sparc-kly|G4> lots of skip downloads i delete src
15:27 < sparc-kly|G4> same shit 
15:27 < sparc-kly|G4> anyway im back in 3 hours
15:27 < mnemoc> uhm
15:27 < mnemoc> are you been locked by your own locks??
15:29 < rxr> re
15:32 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/196522/
15:32 < rxr> ...
15:34 < mnemoc> competitor to reactos?
15:35 < rxr> looks more like an incompatible to all try from scratch
15:35 < mnemoc> http://www.visopsys.org/img/screenshots/screenshot2.jpg <--- enter login name where?
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15:37 < rxr> hehe
15:40 < CIA-10> amery * r8939 /trunk/package/zope/zope/stone_mod_zope.sh: * improved stone/mod_zope to uninstall products with broken links on request
15:41 < CIA-10> amery * r8940 /trunk/package/zope/zope/zope.desc: * updated zope (2.7.5 -> 2.7.6)
15:46 < CIA-10> amery * r8941 /trunk/package/database/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * renamed bdb_config.sh to bdb-conf.in
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16:03 < rxr> damn hal
16:03 < rxr> does not allow appending other xml nodes
16:06 < rxr> ok - it is document the way I try it ..
16:06 < rxr> so bug in the ugly C source ...
16:08 < mnemoc> that's your karma
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
16:11 < rxr> oops
16:11 < rxr> the space spearted fstab layout does not really allos mountpoints whith spaces, hm ?
16:11 < mnemoc> o_O
16:16 < rxr> I back away from my idea of /media/Vendor Product Parition ..
16:16 < rxr> which would have yield /media/Pentax DIGITAL_CAMERA 1
16:16 < rxr> or 
16:16 < rxr> /media/SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Micro 1
16:16 < rxr> :-(
16:19 < mnemoc> high robustness :(
16:19 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
16:20 < mnemoc> spaces on mount points
16:20 < mnemoc> my fstab-s are tab delimited, but yes  space is a valid delimiter :'(
16:21 < rxr> mnemoc: can you write a bit longer sentences so my brain can parse what you intend to express ?
16:22 < mnemoc> next time... now ignore this last comment ;)
16:22 < rxr> .oO
16:26 < rxr> mount the next
16:27 < rxr> bug in the hal parser
16:27 < rxr> damn - do we really want to use this software ?
16:27 < rxr> I never needed so many days to fight such crappy code ...
16:27 < rxr> my o my ...
16:35 < rxr> ah - ok the later one was not a bug - just my usb stick having a not yet listedn partition type ...
16:37 < mnemoc> :D
16:37 < rxr> ok - now hal does this:
16:37 < rxr> dev/sdb1               /media/usbdisk-17       vfat    pamconsole,exec,noauto,noatime,sync,managed 0 0
16:37 < rxr> /dev/sda1               /media/usbdisk-1        vfat    pamconsole,exec,noauto,noatime,sync,managed 0 0
16:37 < rxr> /dev/hdb                /media/cdrom2           auto    pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
16:37 < rxr> no idea why I knwo get cdrom2 ...
16:38 < rxr> hm - seems because there where already entries from former runs ...
16:40 < mnemoc> while(1) { plug(device);echo mountpoint(device);unplug(device);sleep 1 }
16:41 < mnemoc> /media/cdrom5789
16:41 < rxr> yeah - red hat brain damaage
16:42 < rxr> I wonder if anyone there is able to write clean lines of code - except alan cox or so of cours ..
16:42 < mnemoc> there is an ac's paper about 'writing good code' :)
16:43 < rxr> does not seem to be classified as must read for red hat employees
16:45 < mnemoc> i guess he wrote it due to their code :)
16:46 < rxr> I fear so
16:52 < mnemoc> it's sad to see how bad quality on corporate-centric code is, bazar tend to produce much better code
16:52  * mnemoc feels talking like master yoda
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17:01 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:01 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
17:01 [Users #t2]
17:01 [ _Lewellyn] [ jeru  ] [ mtr_] [ rxr_     ] [ valentin] 
17:01 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw  ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou   ] 
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17:01 < mnemoc> wb rxr_ 
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17:01 < CIA-10> amery * r8943 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/java-dirtree.conf: * improved java-dirtree to install profile.d/java detecting a jdk due to it's profile on /opt/java/etc and sourcing it using hardcoded priorization (the same parse-config use)
17:01 < mnemoc> jeru: when will we have www2 usable as www?
17:02 < jeru> mnemoc: had to send my IBM R40 to the repair center today :/
17:02 < jeru> mnemoc: I will do some work on www2 the next days
17:02 < mnemoc> oh
17:03 < rxr_> jeru: could you test r14 on an nvidia chip today ?
17:03 < rxr_> please ,-))
17:03 < jeru> I've to install T2 on this tiny subnotebook but unfortunately our bootdisk doesn't support the external DVD drive 
17:04 < rxr_> jeru: 1:1 manual install the live cd content ,-)
17:04 < mnemoc> i have to go
17:04 < mnemoc> bbl
17:04 < rxr_> cu mnemoc 
17:04 < jeru> mnemoc: cu
17:04 < CIA-10> amery * r8944 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/parse-config: * improved java-dirtree/parse-config to export CLASSPATH PATH and JAVA_HOME of selected JDK
17:04 < rxr_> valentin: where are you actually hanging around ?
17:04 < jeru> rxr_: any install wizzard yet ?
17:05 < rxr_> nope - due to lack of time not yet
17:05 < jeru> rxr_: I guess installing the livecd would be the best for now ;)
17:06 < jeru> rxr_: I've prepared some more information regarding supported hardware 
17:07 < rxr_> did you throw the r14 into a nvidia box today?
17:07 < jeru> r14 seems to a major milestone ... smooth operation :)
17:07 < jeru> rxr_: yes 
17:07 < rxr_> the magazine is nervous because r11 did not come up on their nvidia box ...
17:07 < rxr_> r14 is garuanteed to work ?
17:08 < jeru> rxr_: as I told you ... I tested it on 2 different nvidia boxes ... and it works smoothly ;)
17:08 < rxr_> good
17:08  * rxr_ relaxing
17:09 < jeru> one of these nvidia boxes had a 18" TFT display connected. it choosed the right driver and resolution 
17:10 < rxr_> cool - nice to see
17:10 < jeru> rxr_: should I copy the complete rootfs to my hdd ?
17:11 < jeru> or any expetions ?
17:11 < jeru> rxr_: btw, these small HP Compaq ePC boxes working too 
17:11 < rxr_> make sure you use tar to honor permissions and links and such ...
17:12 < jeru> yeah .. ok
17:12 < rxr_> make sure to not copy proc dev sys and all should be well ,-)
17:12 < jeru> rxr_: I'll exclude them ;)
17:14 < sparc-kly> i download at this time (1279.0 Mb)
17:14 < CIA-10> rene * r8945 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/etc_inittab.txt: 
17:14 < CIA-10> * removed "Maintenance Console" text from vc/1 console - it makes people
17:14 < CIA-10>  think something is wrong ...
17:14 < sparc-kly> :S
17:15 < jeru> this livecd rocks :)
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17:17 < valentin> rxr: r8945 ???????
17:17 < rxr_> valentin: yes ... ?
17:18 < rxr_> anything wrong with it ?
17:18 < valentin> ok, i do not see much sense to have one console login different from the others
17:18 < rxr_> the others would overpaint the boot up text
17:19 < rxr_> I guess that is why rock linux choose this text login prompt - to not overpaint it ..
17:19 < valentin> sounds reasonable
17:19 < rxr_> but I think maintaintenance console should not be written on it ..
17:19 < valentin> but "mainetance" does not sound like "error" to me
17:19 < rxr_> I do not care that much either - but users get confusde ...
17:19 < valentin> so now there is no text at all before the login promt ?
17:20 < rxr_> thiere is hostname login:
17:20 < rxr_> just the Maintenance console two lines above got removed ...
17:20 < valentin> ok
17:21 < rxr_> hm - I wonder why fstab-sync adds mountpoints - but never removes them
17:21 < rxr_> despite the debut output:
17:21 < rxr_> updating mountpoints ...
17:22 < rxr_> clearing mountpionts ...
17:22 < rxr_> damn ...
17:22 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:22 < rxr> 17:18:59.529 [I] blockdev.c:173: Update mount point for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part_1_size_601683968 (device_file /dev/hdb)
17:22 < rxr> 17:18:59.530 [I] blockdev.c:202: Clearing mount point for /dev/hdb
17:22 < rxr> 17:18:59.532 [I] blockdev.c:133: Add callouts completed udi=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part_1_size_601683968
17:23 < rxr> hdb ?
17:23 < rxr> huh ?
17:23 < sparc-kly> Gentoo's Portage to be ported to Windows Services for UNIX <-- hehehhee
17:23 < rxr> I powered down sdb ...
17:23 < rxr> hey - the quality matches the windows one - might be good partners ...
17:27  * sparc-kly is back (gone 13:06:16)
17:27 < jeru> rxr: stop bashing around ... hehe ;)
17:27  * jeru hides
17:28 < rxr> jeru: okok
17:28 < jeru> rxr: nah! bash as much as you want :)
17:30 < rxr> nah - don't want to scare potoention users
17:30 < rxr> potential even
17:30  * jeru wants his SXGA+ display back 
17:30 < rxr> that still love there current system in use
17:30 < rxr> I can imaghine
17:31 < rxr> jeru: when do you plan to set the list of newly certified T2 hardware ?
17:32 < jeru> rxr: after I've dumped the livecd content to the hdd and having a running mail client ;)
17:32 < rxr> ic ,-)
17:35 < sparc-kly> I very am impressed with the speed of T2 in my amd XP 
17:35  * valentin driving home now to start a hacking night
17:36 < rxr> I think r15 will have working HAL support
17:36 < jeru> cu valentin 
17:36 < rxr> that is the most needed feature to make joe users happy ...
17:37 < CIA-10> rene * r8946 /trunk/package/base/util-linux/ (managed.patch pamconsole.patch): * injected two Fedora Core patches for HAL integration
17:40 < rxr> $ mount /media/usbdisk
17:40 < rxr> mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb1 on /media/usbdisk
17:40 < rxr> /dev/sdb1               /media/usbdisk          vfat    pamconsole,exec,noauto,noatime,sync,managed 0 0
17:40 < rxr> haven't I just applied the pamconsole patch - grummel ...
17:43 < rxr> hm - pamconsole does not work
17:43 < rxr> what suprise - it is fedora code ...
17:45 < rxr> aha - because fedora has more hacks to create /var/run/console/...
17:45  * rxr getting crazzy ...
17:46 < jeru> rxr: why is audio on t2-live still a todo ? on most boxes I tested it worked anyway
17:46 < CIA-10> rene * r8947 /trunk/package/base/util-linux/pamconsole.patch: 
17:46 < CIA-10> * removed pamconsole patch - requires more hacks I'm not willing to
17:46 < CIA-10>  pull in
17:47 < rxr> jeru: also playing with volume set to 0db ?
17:47 < rxr> that is s.th. came out of the speakers just fine ?
17:47 < rxr> if yes send me data for the section ,-)
17:47 < jeru> okok ... data hungry man ,)
17:48 < rxr> jeru: air was moved by the speakers just fine ?
17:48 < jeru> yep ... mostly 
17:49 < jeru> networking is working quite well too
17:50 < rxr> yeah - just we need dhcp per default ans clicki bunti for joe users ...
17:50 < jeru> just enabled dhcp on the boxes :)
17:50 < jeru> haha :)
17:51 < jeru> rxr: btw, wasn't planned sth like a network config wizzard ?
17:52 < rxr> yes - valentin is working on it ..
17:52 < jeru> ah ok
18:01 < rxr> Serial Attached SCSI comming along ...
18:02 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59656
18:02 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... while looking in /boot there is a mismatch between kernel version and initrd and System.map version
18:03 < rxr> 11.9 is in there, no ?
18:03 < jeru> rxr: ack for the kernel
18:04 < jeru> but not the initrd and System.map ... it's 11.7-skas3
18:04 < rxr> oh - yes - the mkinitrd stuff is not yet perfectly ready ...
18:04 < rxr> you will have to do some manual editing to make the livecd hd copy boot
18:04 < rxr> ouhm
18:04 < jeru> rxr: it was just a note 
18:04 < rxr> this will be a long week for me ...
18:05 < jeru> rxr: already customizing /boot stuff
18:10 < jeru> rxr: what do I have to add to fstab for using udev ?
18:10 < jeru> the default fstab is still using devfs 
18:11 < rxr> hm - either nothin or none /dev tmpfs ...
18:11 < jeru> rxr: ok will try with nothing first
18:12 < jeru> rxr: what about /dev/pts ?
18:12 < jeru> still valid ?
18:14 < rxr> yes
18:25 < jeru> rxr: how do I install grub on the bootsector ?
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18:36 < rxr> jeru: ouhm
18:36 < rxr> look at the stone module ...
18:36 < rxr> I think craete the menu.lst and run grub install s.th.
18:36 < rxr> did not do manually for a long time ..
18:47 < jeru> rxr: how can I mount /dev inside the chroot env of my target ?
18:51 < rxr> you are on your live laptop deployment?
18:51 < rxr> from outside:
18:52 < rxr> mount --bind /dev /mnt/your-tinkering/dev
18:53 < jeru> rxr: worked thanks
18:59 < jeru> rxr: should I run grub from outside or from inside of a chroot env ?
19:00 < rxr> yep
19:00 < jeru> what yep ? from outside ? ;)
19:01 < rxr> inside ,-)
19:01 < rxr> sorry
19:01 < rxr> half of the terminal was covered by another window ...
19:01 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... what the fuck I'm doing wrong ...
19:02 < jeru> i created menu.lst, device.map but I can't run setup hd0 in the grub shell
19:03 < rxr> have you looked what the stone module does to grub ?
19:03 < jeru> yes 
19:04 < rxr> sorry - I think I'm not a help right now - I have not done manual grub for some years now - and my mind is twisted with this dbus / hal junk right now ...
19:05 < rxr> have I mention today what a crap it is sss
19:05 < rxr> ? evem
19:05 < jeru> rxr: no problem ...
19:13 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
19:14 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 
19:15 < _Ragnar_> hi rene
19:20 < jeru> moin Ragnar 
19:22 < jeru> rxr: I guess I figured out the grub problem ... will reboot now ... cu later hopefully ;)
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19:24 < rxr> hm - konqueror not in hal / dbus mode works way better ...
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19:35 < jeru> rxr: grub worked ... but the kernel wasn't able to mount the rootfs
19:35 < rxr> you need to use the initrd ...
19:35 < rxr> the kernel is fully modular ...
19:35 < rxr> but the mkinitrd inside the livecd is not yet the new version IIRC ...
19:36 < rxr> maybe just implant another of your kernel on the box ?
19:37 < rxr> config.kcfg/kdesktop.kcfg
19:37 < rxr> ^- just a reminder for me ...
19:39 < jeru> rxr: ok ... cu later ... rebooting again
19:39 < valentin> re
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19:40 < rxr> hi
19:43 < mnemoc> re
19:44 < valentin> hi rxr, mnemoc 
19:44 < mnemoc> hi valentin, rxr 
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19:53 < jeru> rxr: building a new kernel + initrd on my other box now
19:54 < mnemoc> wb live-jeru
19:54 < jeru> wb don alejandro ;)
19:54 < CIA-10> amery * r8948 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/parse-config: * changed java-dirtree/parse-config to set CLASSPATH and PATH in the oposite order
19:54 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, what is status of all this java crap ?
19:54 < rxr> jeru: can you open a konqueror in the live cd ?
19:55 < mnemoc> jeru: looking good :)
19:55 < jeru> rxr: yes
19:55 < rxr> when click on window -> show navigation panel
19:55 < jeru> mnemoc: because I want to prepare a nice install cd for my java developing friend 
19:55 < jeru> rxr: mom
19:56 < rxr> on the left you get vertical tabs ..
19:56 < rxr> the top one will be bookmarks ...
19:56 < mnemoc> jeru: :)
19:56 < rxr> what is the 2nd - below bookmark ?
19:57 < jeru> rxr: I'm in a de localized version already
19:57 < jeru> yes ... bookmarks
19:57 < rxr> and the 2nd one ?
19:57 < jeru> history
19:58 < jeru> rxr: what's the problem ?
19:59 < rxr> is there some devices / "Geraete" in the tabs ?
19:59 < jeru> rxr: no 
19:59 < rxr> ok thanks
20:00 < jeru> bookmarks, history, home, root folder, kde services 
20:00 < rxr> thanks
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20:00 < jeru> you're welcome
20:01 < jeru> mnemoc: is ant stuff working in 2.1 ?
20:02 < mnemoc> i haven'tmerged yet
20:02 < mnemoc> workis, but the structure will change
20:03 < mnemoc> *lag*
20:03 < mnemoc> works, but the structure will change
20:04 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: did you sleep yet? :(
20:04 < mnemoc> tonight i plan to sleep :)
20:05 < mnemoc> today i felt sleep from my chair on class! :)
20:06 < rxr> oh my - poor mnemoc 
20:06 < _Lewellyn> :(
20:06 < _Lewellyn> all for java :(
20:06 < mnemoc> .tex work also :|
20:06 < _Lewellyn> better than java
20:07 < mnemoc> i'm not so sure ;)
20:07 < _Lewellyn> at least tex has a well-defined use and people know to not abuse it.
20:08 < mnemoc> true :)
20:08 < _Lewellyn> oh. and rms approves of it! ;)
20:11 < mnemoc> actually i care far more what knuth say than what rms say :p ... but i also hate java :p
20:12 < _Lewellyn> heh. if you haven't noticed, i'm not stallman's biggest fan.
20:12 < _Lewellyn> and i don't hate java, it just is misused and overused.
20:13 < mnemoc> :)
20:15 < valentin> i _Lewellyn honcho
20:17 < jeru> damn ... after phoning my friend I've a big list with java dev tools which want's to be integrated ...;)
20:18 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, I guess there is a failure in apache-ant.desc [V] 1.6.2 but 1.6.3 is downloaded
20:19 < mnemoc> oh
20:19 < jeru> same applies for trunk
20:19 < jeru> mnemoc: do you fix it ?
20:20 < jeru> mnemoc: hope you're not too tired for that and banging your head on the keyboard ;)
20:20 < mnemoc> yes, i commit that when i commit the other changes to apache-ant
20:21  * jeru needs more space on the display ... I ever thought 12" is enough for every man :)
20:22 < mnemoc> 12 only if 1280x1024 :)
20:22 < mnemoc> 15 at 1024x768 sucks
20:22 < jeru> mnemoc: I want my 1400x1050 on 15" back
20:23 < jeru> :(
20:25 < jeru> I hope my R40 will be back soon ... for now I've to work with this tiny bastard with it's strange keyboard layout
20:25 < jeru> but I think it's better to work with it than with an old 486 ;)
20:26 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, what about the transformer issue ? do have a new one ?
20:27 < mnemoc> the one i bougth
20:29 < mnemoc> after lot of 'no, no, no, it's _not_ covered' i got a final, 'ok.. send us your complete system to our HQ for testing'
20:31 < valentin> In 1897 a bill was proposed in the Indiana Legislature that would have legally established the value of pi. This value would then have been copyrighted and used in state math textbooks. Other states would have to pay to use this value.
20:31 < valentin> http://www.inwit.com/inwit/writings/indianapilaw.html
20:32 < mnemoc> what value? 3? :)
20:32 < valentin> no, 3.2
20:33 < mnemoc> o_O
20:33 < valentin> The wording is so murky that several conclusions are possible. Experts have argued for 3; 3.2; 4; and even 9.2376....The Guinness Book of Records opts for 4.
20:33 < mnemoc> oh
20:35  * jeru loves ccache stage1 kernel build for a fully modular one was about 35min .. stage 5 10min ... evil *g*
20:35 < mnemoc> on monster box :)
20:35 < jeru> mnemoc: yes 
20:35 < mnemoc> how much a cache less build takes there?
20:36 < jeru> mnemoc: approx. 35min
20:36 < mnemoc> 1:20 here 
20:36 < jeru> oh
20:37 < mnemoc> i guess _you_ should run automatized regression tests
20:37  * rxr nods
20:37 < jeru> mnemoc: these were my thoughts too ;)
20:37 < mnemoc> :D
20:39 < jeru> mnemoc: but I can't open a hole in the firewall for external access ... our data protection officer will kill me for that 
20:40 < mnemoc> no need of external access
20:40 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, there are some vservers running on monster box  ;)
20:40 < mnemoc> just http publication ;)
20:41 < jeru> mnemoc: it's my new test box here
20:41 < mnemoc> vservers on monster boxes are good to build as root :)
20:41 < jeru> mnemoc: yes ... publishing the results on my web server is ok ;)
20:41 < mnemoc> .oO( and download mirror via http? )o
20:42 < jeru> mnemoc: perhaps ... hopefully it will not eat all my bandwidth :)
20:42  * mnemoc highly tired but his next class is in 2h :(
20:42 < jeru> :(
20:42 < rxr> :-\
20:43 < mnemoc> at least univ. bw is good: /ftp/t2/unstable/t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r14.iso' at 242609496 (42%) 96.7K/s eta:59m [Receiving data]
20:45 < rxr> .-))
20:47 < jeru> mnemoc: r14 is a real milestone :)
20:47 < jeru> mnemoc: haven't found a machine here where r14 wasn't functioning 
20:47 < mnemoc> let try my laptop ;)
20:47 < jeru> at least for now
20:48 < jeru> nvidia stuff is working
20:48 < mnemoc> cool :)
20:48  * jeru will reboot now to test the new kernel ... cu later
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20:48 < _Lewellyn> hm. i should try r14 on my laptop.
20:49 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes, please !
20:49 < rxr> _Lewellyn: what hardware has it ?
20:50 < _Lewellyn> it's a dell latitude CPi
20:50 < _Lewellyn> it never liked dietlibc
20:50 < _Lewellyn> afaict, you've moved away from dietlibc
20:51 < mnemoc> rene loves fefe, he will never leave dietlibc :)
20:52 < _Lewellyn> bah. perhaps dietlibc likes my laptop now.
20:53 < rxr> ouhm - erhm - valentin ..
20:53 < rxr> those people demand even more questionable features ...
20:53 < _Ragnar_> ?
20:53 < mnemoc> are we 'those people'?
20:54 < rxr> "the application should start up as soon as the suer places a paper in the ADF unit"
20:54  * rxr gets a shocked ...
20:54 < rxr> can't those peole be happy that the driver is so stable and high performance ...
20:54 < _Lewellyn> rxr: is that a distro feature? o_O
20:54 < rxr> no - my other commercial waters ...
20:54 < _Lewellyn> ah
20:55 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/avisionosx/
20:55 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/exactscan/
20:56 < _Lewellyn> cool. nice to see decent scanner support for osx.
20:57 < _Lewellyn> i still know too many people who have to reboot into os9 just to scan effectively.
20:57 < rxr> application start when the user places a sheet in the scanner ..
20:57  * rxr headshake ...
20:58 < rxr> _Lewellyn: tell them there are cool Avision scanenrs and you know one who has a use for the per device license fees ..
20:58 < _Lewellyn> are they pro-grade?
20:58 < _Lewellyn> or consumer-grade?
20:58 < rxr> well - those are more "high quality / high performance"
20:59 < _Lewellyn> i.e. do they have accurate color reproduction? do they scan negatives? etc.
20:59 < rxr> but they have cheaper "end user" oriented devices as well
20:59 < rxr> yes color
20:59 < rxr> some up to 16bit per channel
20:59 < rxr> I think negativ scanner are only avaiable as OEM model ...
21:00 < rxr> but our driver support them - including film scanners (currently only shipped my minolta)
21:00 < _Lewellyn> hm. the bhs binkert site needs a "stupid american" button so i can read it :)
21:01 < rxr> hehe - it is the german reseller ...
21:01 < rxr> http://www.avision.com/
21:01 < rxr> and the click america ,-)
21:02 < mnemoc> _north_ america
21:02 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i'm not that much of a stupid american ;)
21:02 < mnemoc> :)
21:02 < rxr> mnemoc: on the imagemap there only is america and brazil :-()
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21:03 < mnemoc> wb jeru
21:03 < livecd-testrabbi> wb mnemoc 
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21:04 < _Lewellyn> http://www.avision.com/usa/products/docs.html
21:04 < _Lewellyn> their pages aren't very well-maintained :(
21:04 < rxr> doesn't look so ... :-((
21:04 < rxr> guess I have to notify my avision contacts ...
21:04 < mnemoc> The requested URL /usa/products/..\img\prod\thumb-av210.gif was not found on this server. <--- yack
21:05 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: yes. windows users
21:05 < jeru> rxr: kernel is booting but hotplug++ is segfaulting
21:05 < rxr> seg fault what the .... ?
21:05 < jeru> sorry for the bad news
21:05 < _Lewellyn> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 9">
21:05 < _Lewellyn> ack
21:05 < rxr> yeah - your americans ...
21:06 < mnemoc> *rotfl*
21:06 < rxr> OS == Window~
21:06 < rxr> Window~1 even
21:06 < _Lewellyn> they could at LEAST use a version of office known to generate half-decent html
21:06 < mnemoc> come on... generating a corportive site using _word_??
21:06 < jeru> rxr: S01system: line 46: 1018 Segmentation fault hotplug++ synth 
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: that not chile - that the US ...
21:07 < rxr> jeru: I guess no module map files ...
21:07 < jeru> rxr: where should it be ?
21:07 < rxr> depmod builds them ...
21:07 < rxr> /lib/modules/$ver/*map*?
21:08 < mnemoc> rxr: at chile corporative sites are done with pirated copies of dreamweaver
21:08 < rxr> ok ..
21:08 < jeru> rxr: sorry ... I guess I know what's the problem ... thanks for the hint
21:08 < CIA-10> rene * r8949 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (15-t2-overwrites.fdi hal.conf): * mostly working hal configuration
21:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: almost like the us, as a rule. except we also have a lot of people pirating golive ;)
21:09 < CIA-10> rene * r8950 /trunk/package/network/dbus/ (dbus.conf dbus.init postsysfiles.in): * mostly working dbus configuration
21:10 < rxr> pirating? what is that? labelling a source fragment with an incompatible license header ?
21:11 < _Lewellyn> rxr: in this case, it's "borrowing" someone else's copy of proprietary software which has a license fee for long-term use ;)
21:11 < mnemoc> here streets are full of people selling 'backups' ... everywere, everytopic
21:11 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: send me some ;)
21:11 < _Lewellyn> (i am only kidding)
21:11 < mnemoc> even copies of fedora :)
21:11 < _Lewellyn> soon, t2, as well?
21:12 < mnemoc> livet2 :)
21:12 < mnemoc> t2@live sorry
21:12 < rxr> mnemoc: do you think the name is well choosen ?
21:12 < mnemoc> i like it
21:12 < _Lewellyn> once the pirates get their hands on it, adoption should rise :)
21:12 < mnemoc> hehe
21:13 < rxr> yeah - mnemoc can't you "loose" some copy of T2 near them ... so they clone a batch for us ,-)
21:13 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:13 < rxr> stick a profesional version sticker and a 599 US$ sticker on them ...
21:13 < _Ragnar_> just release some torrents and put it on torrentspy ;)
21:13 < rxr> and off it goes ..
21:13 < jeru> haha :D
21:14 < mnemoc> torrents and edonkey are the doors to the street
21:14 < _Lewellyn> hm. perhaps i'll drag myself to some local lug meetings and hand out t2 cds. :)
21:14 < jeru> livecd-testrabbit will reboot again ... cu later
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21:23 < sepp> hi
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21:30 < jeru> rxr: hotplug++ problem is gone ... but the system complains that /var/* is read-only ...
21:31 < jeru> but it isn't afaics
21:39 < jeru> ok .. last reboot then I'll go home ...
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21:46 < CIA-10> rene * r8951 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.init: * the next hacky work around for dbus.init
21:47 < sepp> rxr: if you want to add new hardware to the /live/ voodoo3 3000 works :)
21:48 < sepp> also nforce2 audio
21:51 < rxr> oh - is the correct X driver choosen for the voodoo ?
21:52 < rxr> maybe it used the vesa fallback ..
21:52 < sepp> yes 
21:52 < sepp> no no
21:52 < rxr> can you paste the lspci entry for the voodoo here ?
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21:52 < sepp> have to boot the other box 
21:52 < jeru> hi sepp
21:52 < rxr> but definetly no vesa ? ;-)
21:52 < sepp> but no hardware opengl
21:53 < _Lewellyn> "VESA: everywhere you want to be" ;)
21:53 < _Lewellyn> (i hope that visa uses those ads outside the usa, just so i don't look too lame)
21:53 < jeru> rxr: still the /var read-only problem ... and I guess I'm too blind to find the problem now 
21:54 < rxr> hm
21:54 < sepp> uhm really vesa fallback :(
21:54 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, started a 2.1 ref build on monster box 
21:54 < rxr> sepp: can you pate the lspci so I can adjust the driver matching ?
21:54 < sepp> yes
21:54 < mnemoc> jeru: copy my pkgsel ;)
21:54 < rxr> jeru: come over and I hack you sub boot ...
21:55 < jeru> rxr: uhm ?
21:55 < jeru> rxr: this evening ?
21:55 < rxr> sub notebook ...
21:55 < rxr> if you feel to ...
21:55 < rxr> I'll be awake until I can release 2.2-@Live Beta
21:55 < jeru> rxr: hmmm nice offer ... I will think about it while sitting in the train 
21:56 < jeru> rxr: but I have to watch for the little companero at home first ;)
21:56 < sepp> rxr: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01)
21:57 < rxr> jeru: yeah goo jurney
21:58 < jeru> ok ... will leave now ...cu later all :)
21:58 < rxr> sepp: thanks - will adapt the xdetect
21:58 < rxr> cu jeru 
21:58 < mnemoc> voodoo 3?? 
21:58 < jeru> rxr: I'll call you when I'm home
21:58 < rxr> ok
21:58 < jeru> cu all ... :)
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21:59 < sepp> rxr: with nvidia (ldconfig output - libFlac.so*, libMagick++.so*, libalsatoss.so*, libarputil-0.80* is not a ELF file)
21:59 < rxr> at bootup on xdetect ?
22:00 < sepp> after the setup of the nvidia gl libs - in ldconfig
22:00 < rxr> hm
22:00 < rxr> does hardware 3d work notheless ?
22:00 < rxr> non* even
22:00 < sepp> should i test it here?
22:01 < sepp> ok mom. i will test nvidia :)
22:06 < sepp> rxr: no hardware accelerated opengl does not work with r14
22:07 < rxr> ouhm
22:07 < rxr> could you investigate what is missing and/or wrong=
22:07 < sepp> x dies if i run glxgears
22:07 < rxr> I have no nvidia hardware for closed source reasons ...
22:07 < sepp> yes
22:08 < _Lewellyn> rxr: you're going to have a beta of the livecd this eve (us time) it sounds like?
22:08 < _Lewellyn> it sounds like i'll have to pit it against a quadro :(
22:09 < rxr> pit it ?
22:09 < _Lewellyn> see who wins: the livecd or the quadro
22:09 < rxr> quadro as in? car, graphic card, ...?
22:09  * rxr puzzled ...
22:09 < _Lewellyn> nvidia card
22:10 < rxr> eheh - ok ,-)
22:10  * _Lewellyn knows of no cars called a quadro
22:10 < rxr> audi quadro
22:10 < rxr> maybe more ..
22:10 < _Lewellyn> oh
22:11 < rxr> I just tried to make s.th. of the sentence ... ,-)
22:11 < _Lewellyn> i had assumed from the topic of nvidia that it would be parsed. my fault. sorry.
22:13 < sepp> nerving arts error msg if you have no soundcard
22:13 < rxr> well - it looks like we have a fundamental config / library problem ...
22:14 < rxr> ... for nvidia cards ..
22:14 < rxr> sepp: I can imagine ..
22:14 < rxr> but it is a one click notification - it is bad enough to alter the default config value for the dialog (to not appear)?
22:14 < sepp> hmm libGL* is setup is ok, x dies out of some "magic" reason
22:15 < rxr> sepp: maybe I should not enable some dri of glx extension ?
22:15 < rxr> I guess it must eb s.th. like that ...
22:15 < rxr> of I should rm the non nvifia glx extension ?
22:15 < _Lewellyn> rxr: is there a pc speaker "soundcard" module that can be loaded if no others load?
22:15 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes - there is a alsa pc speaker driver - but it is an intrusive kernel patch ..
22:15 < _Lewellyn> suck.
22:16 < _Lewellyn> if it were not intrusive, that would probably be not only the ideal solution, but also the most impressive.
22:16 < rxr> I guess only beeping terminal bell is better than destorted wannabee 1-bit output ... ?
22:16 < _Lewellyn> you can get 8-bit audio out of that thing, iirc.
22:16 < _Lewellyn> i used to play mods on my 286 through the pc speaker.
22:17 < rxr> ok - right - I remeber the good old 386 times when this golf simulation named links got quite a good music out of it ,-)
22:17 < _Lewellyn> my amiga friends had better sound, but at least i could :)
22:19 < sepp> rxr: afaics kernel module and libs are setup correct, i dont see why x crashes - even on glxinfo
22:19 < rxr> ouhm
22:20 < sepp> no glx errors in Xorg.0.log
22:22 < sepp> can the CONFIG_AGP_* coexist? CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y all other =m
22:23 < sepp> i am only guessing
22:26 < rxr> yes, it should be m too
22:26 < rxr> but that should not be the problem ...
22:28 < sepp> i will try on this box brb
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22:32 < sparc-kly> mnemoc http://xlinux.ath.cx/1-gettext.err 
22:33 < mnemoc> base #1: /home/mubex/t2
22:33 < mnemoc> base #2: /home/mubex/t2/build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-athlon-xp-desktop
22:33 < CIA-10> rene * r8952 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/ (xcfgt2 xorg.conf.template): 
22:33 < CIA-10> * merged my latest incarnation of xorg configuration from my next-gen
22:33 < CIA-10>  live cd code, features: more conservative timings including only
22:33 < CIA-10>  injecting them when no DDC was found, includes matching of the to
22:33 < CIA-10>  be done drivers, such as: ark, glint, nsc, tdfx and tga as well
22:33 < CIA-10>  as enabled nvidia use and installing og the nvidia GL libraries ...
22:34 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: that is fixed on svn, please use the branch instead of a beta
22:34 < mnemoc> i have to go to a class... bbl
22:34 < rxr> cu
22:36 < mnemoc> rxr: ccache: failed to create /TOOLCHAIN/build/ccache-x86/bdb (No such file or directory)  <--- when building inside ./debug.sh
22:36 < mnemoc> cu
22:36 < _Lewellyn> adios mnemoc 
22:37 < rxr> mnemoc: oh, yes, saw this once, too
22:37 < mnemoc> nos vemos _Lewellyn 
22:38 < mnemoc> cu
22:39 < rxr> cool - hal starts to work on the live cd
22:39 < rxr> /media/cdrom is created and added to the fstab ,-)(
22:39 < rxr> -(
22:39 < rxr> mounting as user works as well
22:40 < sparc-kly> q utilizo entonces la 2.2 ?
22:41 < rxr> sparc-kly: 2.2 is for developers - and might be slithgly broken right now ..
22:42 < rxr> better ever use the latest stable tree in branches ... ,-)
22:42 < rxr> sharp md ms 701
22:43 < rxr> pad  Price: pad$49.95padad-s31btplanetminidisc
22:44 < rxr> are they kidding ?
22:44 < rxr> 50 $ for a damn battery !?!!?!?!
22:44 < rxr> well - at least others have a 10 british pound replacement ...
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22:46 < sepp> same nvidia problem on this box :(
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22:47 < rxr> US $11.33
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22:47 < rxr> ah! way better - and even higher capacity ..
22:47 < rxr> 1000mAh ...
22:47 < rxr> instead of 800 ... - as the original one ...
22:47 < sepp> but at least nforce2 sound works
22:49 < _Lewellyn> sepp: you have an nforce board with only a voodoo3? o_O
22:49 < sepp> _Lewellyn: no i have some pc's around
22:49 < rxr> hm - the german shop of them wants  29,69  for a 800mAh battery ...
22:50 < _Lewellyn> sepp: ok. it seemed like an odd compination.
22:50 < sepp> _Lewellyn: in the other pc i use the voodoo because it has no fan
22:52 < _Lewellyn> i was remembering that most nforce boards have onboard video. and i wasn't recalling it being a voodoo 3. that is all :)
22:55 < sepp> rxr: i'll try to understand the nvidia problem tomorrow i am bit tired right now
22:58 < rxr> sepp: thanks - that would be nice
22:59  * rxr going life - cu
23:01 < valentin> cu rxr
23:02 < rxr> hm - someone from the UK here ?
23:02 < rxr> http://www.payless-batteries.co.uk/products/info1.php?fclasscode=3&fb_babrand=KONICA&fb_bacode=756&fb_bamodel=DR-LB1
23:02 < rxr> ^- I would like to have two of those ...
23:02 < rxr> but rebooting now inti @Live ...
23:02 < valentin> ah - rebooting :)
23:02 < valentin> i associatet something different...
23:13 < sepp> my box @ home with Matrox Mystique works without problem with the live-cd :)
23:18 < sparc-kly> == 05/18/05 10:16:24 =[1]=> Finished building package gettext.
23:18 < sparc-kly>  :D
23:24 < sepp> good night all :)
23:26 < _Lewellyn> sleep well!
23:29 < sepp> thanks
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