T2 IRC Log: 2005-04-23

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--- Log opened Sat Apr 23 00:00:20 2005
--- Day changed Sat Apr 23 2005
00:00 < sepp> jeru: contrast is better this way
00:00 < jeru> sepp: have to see it live ;)
00:00 < PeskyGee> still getting -bash: /etc/profile: Permission Denied
00:01 < jeru> sepp: will install T2PloneSkin product for plone ... then we can play around
00:02 < sepp> i am sure i am biased but i dont like sites with xxx funky colours
00:08 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: stat -c %a /etc/profile
00:10 < PeskyGee> 700
00:11 < jeru> sepp: reload website please ... just installed a custom skin and changed th bg as proposed
00:11 < jeru> but looks quite ugly with the other colors ;)
00:13 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: change it to 644.... i'll try to trace that
00:13 < sepp> jeru: can you use a gradient?
00:13 < sepp> as bg
00:14 < PeskyGee> Hey, thanks guys for all the help and it was nice talking to you but I am going to wait a few until a updated ver comes out w/ udev and some bug fixes. hopefully I see you soon :-)
00:14 < PeskyGee> Cya :-)
00:14 < jeru> cu PeskyGee
00:14 < sepp> jeru: the greenish thing on grey looks really ugly
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00:25 < sepp> jeru: if there is a way to change the strange green and maybe the link colour i would like it
00:25 < jeru> hehe :)
00:25 < jeru> I will do
00:26 < jeru> sitemap activated too
00:26 < jeru> but still a lot to tweak
00:26 < mnemoc> jeru: your skin _stinks_
00:27 < sepp> why?
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00:28 < jeru> mnemoc: I know ... I told you before :)
00:28 < mnemoc> :)
00:28 < jeru> but I think together with sepp we'll get it in shape ;)
00:28 < jeru> :w
00:28 < jeru> damn
00:30 < mnemoc> are you saving irc log?
00:30 < jeru> sepp: what link color ?
00:30 < jeru> mnemoc: hehe ... nope
00:30 < jeru> mnemoc: reload please
00:31 < jeru> mnemoc: what link color ?
00:32 < mnemoc> visited links color doesn't fit
00:32 < jeru> ack
00:32 < jeru> and the normal link color ?
00:32 < sepp> jeru: 00267e ?
00:32 < jeru> mom
00:33 < jeru> sepp: blue
00:33 < sepp> yes
00:33 < sepp> maybe it will look bad
00:33 < sepp> the remote guess thing is a bit strange
00:33 < jeru> reload
00:34 < jeru> and visited link ?
00:34 < jeru> sepp: but I think it looks better than the red ;)
00:35 < mnemoc> a 00267e T^2 logo is missing :)
00:36 < sepp> maybe 484848 ?
00:36 < mnemoc> jeru: give him access to cssmanager :)
00:37 < mnemoc> white looks ugly there
00:37 < jeru> mnemoc: ack
00:37 < jeru> do you run cssmanager ?
00:37 < sepp> it the visited link gets sort of the color of the bg - i think this would be nice
00:38 < sepp> darker grey
00:38 < jeru> sepp: ack
00:38 < sepp> sort of - you was already there we dont use a agressive colout then
00:38 < jeru> we've to replace thelink icon too
00:41 < mnemoc> jeru: ack to what?
00:42 < sepp> jeru: if you could now replace the d1d5ba ...
00:43 < jeru> mnemoc: ack was for sepp and you
00:43 < jeru> mnemoc: logo
00:44 < jeru> sepp: what color do you propose as replacement ?
00:44 < sepp> maybe cdcdcd
00:44 < mnemoc> can your dark "created by" to something closer to vlinks?
00:44 < sepp> it would make a maybe nice minimalistic there
00:45 < sepp> theme*
00:45 < jeru> reload
00:45 < mnemoc> what is i18nlayer?
00:45 < sepp> hmm much better but now the blue / link looks bad - i think
00:46 < jeru> sepp: ack
00:46 < jeru> mnemoc: I'll change it
00:47 < jeru> mnemoc: better ?
00:47 < sepp> jeru: but without the blue links what do you think?
00:49 < jeru> sepp: we can try other colors too ... I'm not so blue dedicated ;)
00:50 < sepp> maybe also something like 484848
00:50 < jeru> and the folder icons have to replaced too
00:50 < sepp> ahh no
00:51 < sepp> c8c8c8 ?
00:51 < jeru> link ?
00:51 < sepp> for links
00:51 < sepp> yes
00:52 < jeru> uhm ... i think not
00:52 < jeru> rl
00:52 < sepp> lol
00:52 < sepp> nearly unvisible
00:52 < sepp> ffffff ?
00:53 < jeru> nah ... really ?
00:53 < sepp> dont know
00:53 < mnemoc> white??
00:53 < mnemoc> dark blue?
00:53 < jeru> rl
00:53 < mnemoc> stone blue?
00:53 < jeru> nah no white
00:53 < jeru> mnemoc: what's stone blue ?
00:53 < mnemoc> white looks ugly over gray
00:53 < jeru> :)
00:54 < jeru> mnemoc: stoned and blue ?
00:54 < sepp> yes
00:54 < jeru> :D
00:54 < mnemoc> :\
00:55 < sepp> 07003b
00:55 < jeru> sepp: mom ... reload before
00:56 < sepp> i think links look good now
00:56 < jeru> rl ... sepp but it's not your color
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00:56 < mnemoc> http://www.burma.com/caballeros/18045.htm
00:57 < sepp> jeru: but it is nearly the same
00:57 < mnemoc> i can't find a plain "azul piedra" on google :(
00:57 < jeru> sepp: ack
00:57 < jeru> mnemoc: please rl
00:57 < mnemoc> rl?
00:58 < jeru> reload
00:58 < mnemoc> look good
00:59 < jeru> ok
00:59 < jeru> sepp ... should we try your color too ?
00:59 < sepp> no
00:59 < sepp> looks good now
00:59 < jeru> ok
01:00 < sepp> very eye friendly
01:00 < sepp> i like it
01:00 < jeru> sepp: but not the logo ;)
01:01 < jeru> I will create a trasparent replacement for now ;)
01:01 < sepp> i know !!!
01:01 < mnemoc> http://exactcode.de/rene/ <-- t2 logos
01:03 < jeru> mnemoc: hm ... the color doesn't fit
01:03 < mnemoc> .svg is there
01:03 < mnemoc> change the color but keep the logo
01:05 < jeru> and the menu is ok too ?
01:06 < mnemoc> admin menu (white) is not
01:06 < mnemoc> but readable anyway
01:07 < sepp> have to sleep - n8 *
01:07 < mnemoc> jeru: https://www2.t2-project.org/prefs_error_log_showEntry?id=1114211284.680.977360589603
01:07 < mnemoc> cu sepp, thanks for your colors :)
01:07 < jeru> g8 sepp ... sleep well :)
01:08 < sepp> np
01:08 < jeru> mnemoc: what have you tried to do ?
01:09 < mnemoc> language:en -> language:es on https://www2.t2-project.org/Members/amery/2.1%20branched/view
01:09 < jeru> ahh to test the i18n support
01:11 < jeru> I guess that's a folder with no i18n support
01:11 < jeru> we've to create a test folder for testing i18n
01:12 < mnemoc> what may i18n options do there if it's not a i18n folder?
01:13 < jeru> mnemoc: it was just an assumption
01:13 < mnemoc> :)
01:13 < jeru> mnemoc: will test it
01:13 < jeru> mom
01:33 < jeru> mnemoc: -> https://www2.t2-project.org/Members/chris/i18ntest/layer/en
01:33 < jeru> and switch to es
01:34 < mnemoc> :)
01:35 < jeru> I added i18nlayer
01:35 < jeru> it seems to be sth like a container
01:35 < jeru> there you can choose the content type again
01:36 < CIA-9> jsaw * r8483 /trunk/package/base/pkgconfig/pkgconfig.desc:
01:36 < CIA-9> * update pkgconfig (0.17.1 -> 0.17.2)
01:36 < CIA-9> 0.17.1 has severe performance problems when multiple
01:36 < CIA-9> arguments are given (here even stuck in some packages)
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01:51 < keinek> hi
01:51 < keinek> hi mnemoc
01:51 < keinek> T2 is ok? :P
01:51 < jeru> hi keinek
01:51 < mnemoc> keinek: of course is ok
01:51 < keinek> now i can build my target? :D
01:52 < keinek> and test if everthing is ok?
01:52 < mnemoc> you may want to swtich to 2.1 branch
01:52 < keinek> what?
01:52 < keinek> what is branch?
01:52 < keinek> food?
01:54 < jeru> keinek: the new stable version of T2 is called "branch"
01:54 < keinek> ohhh
01:54 < keinek> i got there
01:54 < jeru> branch = stable
01:55 < jeru> trunk = development
01:55 < keinek> one svn up is all i need right?
01:55 < jeru> https://www2.t2-project.org/Members/amery/2.1%20branched
01:55 < keinek> ok ok
01:57 < jeru> keinek: better -> https://www2.t2-project.org/news
01:57 < keinek> i am reading now.
01:57 < jeru> what ?
01:58 < keinek> pretty web page.
01:58 < jeru> keinek: thanks ... but its by far not finished
01:59 < keinek> i want cooperate with spanish translate :)
02:00 < mnemoc> keinek: 2.1 is our new stable branch, but still beta, so some package still fail
02:00 < keinek> ok...
02:00 < keinek> o will test my red-handed system :P
02:01 < keinek> if work well i tell you
02:01 < keinek> if fail... i tell you more.
02:01 < keinek> more more more more day and night :D
02:01 < mnemoc> :)
02:05 < keinek> where is the livecd target :(
02:07 < mnemoc> gone until it gets usable
02:07 < keinek> ok
02:22 < keinek> anybody know what is the name of the advance text editor of kde?
02:22 < jeru> kate
02:22 < keinek> i dont know why... kde lost icons...
02:22 < keinek> thanks jeru.
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06:23 < mnemoc> rxr: Config _use_ PkgQueue!!
06:24 < mnemoc> rxr: i just noticed my ref build has been 5 hours looping on Config due to PkgQueue deprecation
06:25 < mnemoc> rxr: not Config, Build
06:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll go to sleep
06:41 < CIA-9> amery * r8484 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: * de-deprecated Create-PkgQueue because it _is_ used on BuildTarget:196 if SDECFG_PARALLEL != 1.
07:13 < mnemoc> rxr: new Emerge looks quite well :D
07:26 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E73BF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
07:26 < maddin> rxr: http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/awstats/awstats.pl?framename=mainright&output=errors404
07:27 < maddin> rxr: You can update some old links to drock ... 5737 faulty links only in april
07:28 < mnemoc> oh
07:29 < maddin> moin btw
07:30 < mnemoc> moin maddin :)
07:30 < mnemoc> gn8 maddin, *
07:31 < maddin> gn8 mnemoc? ;-)
07:39 < CIA-9> amery * r8485 /branches/2.1/package/base/pkgconfig/pkgconfig.desc: * merged 8483 - updated pkgconfig (0.17.1 -> 0.17.2)
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09:09 < CIA-9> rene * r8486 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgQueue:
09:09 < CIA-9> * removed deprecation message from Create-PkgQueue and commented out
09:09 < CIA-9> some dep_db.txt lines ...
09:10 < valentin> moin
09:10 < rxr> oh, hi valentin
09:10 < valentin> rxr: awake ?
09:10 < valentin> can i call you ?
09:10 < rxr> sure
09:37 * rxr breakfast
10:23 < rxr> re
10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8487 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: * merged r8486 from trunk: disabled dep_db.txt read in
10:25 < CIA-9> rene * r8488 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: * removed depdb variable definition from Cretae-PkgQueue, too
10:31 < CIA-9> valentin * r8489 /trunk/package/games/supertux/ (. supertux.desc): * added package supertux (v0.1.2)
10:32 < rxr> valentin: and, what was the build problem?
10:32 < valentin> i just turned ccache of
10:32 < valentin> the problem is:
10:33 < valentin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Apr 21 12:22 build/ccache-powerpc -> ../loop/build/ccache-powerpc
10:33 < valentin> that dir does not exist
10:36 < valentin> moment
10:37 < rxr> ok - rm that symlink and use HEAD
10:37 < rxr> it is fixed there
10:39 < valentin> i use head
10:39 < valentin> ok, i rm'ed it
10:39 < valentin> and try again
10:39 < rxr> yes - but an previous version created that dead symlink
10:39 < rxr> HEAD should not create such fluff anymore ...
10:42 < valentin> the default ccache size is still 2500M - but now per package ??
10:43 < rxr> yes
10:43 < rxr> ...
10:44 < rxr> i'll impleemnt flushing unused cache content soon
10:45 < rxr> 892M build/ccache-x86/ooo/
10:48 < CIA-9> rene * r8490 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/ (config-200.hlp config-200.in): * set the default ccache size to 1GB and updated the help text
10:52 < CIA-9> rene * r8491 /branches/2.1/package/develop/ccache/ (config-200.hlp config-200.in): * merged r8490 from trunk: ccache default size and help text update
10:57 < CIA-9> susan * r8492 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (54 files in 53 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:57 < CIA-9> * updated nautilus-cd-burner (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
10:57 < CIA-9> * updated evolution (2.2.1.1 -> 2.2.2)
10:57 < CIA-9> * updated gnome-python-extras (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
10:57 < CIA-9> * updated control-center (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
10:57 < CIA-9> * updated libgtop (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
10:57 < CIA-9> * updated gal (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
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11:21 < rxr> moin jeru
11:21 < jeru> Hi rxr :)
11:23 < valentin> how can i find executables using fine
11:23 < valentin> find* ?
11:23 < rxr> -type ?
11:23 < rxr> or -perm ?
11:23 < valentin> type has no flag
11:23 < valentin> perm should work
11:24 < rxr> -perm -o=x
11:24 < rxr> -perm -u=x
11:24 < rxr> or whatever?
11:26 < valentin> yep
11:29 < jeru> moin valentin :)
11:30 < rxr> ok - I watch the last nights enterprise episode - and then I'm back to hotplug++
11:35 < rxr> cool
11:35 < rxr> the latest episode starts with humans murdering the first vulcans arrving at earth
11:35 < rxr> and the theme changed
11:35 < rxr> from the science humanity to a war nations theme ...
11:35 < rxr> with bombing and such ... interesting ...
11:58 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E73BF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
11:58 < maddin> re
11:58 < jeru> hi maddin
12:30 < CIA-9> rene * r8493 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * fixed totem download
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14:20 < CIA-9> rene * r8494 /trunk/package/gnome2/sound-juicer/sound-juicer.desc:
14:20 < CIA-9> * migrated the sound-juicer URL to the gome mirror - original site is
14:20 < CIA-9> not available (right now)
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16:39 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
16:39 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
16:39 [Users #t2]
16:39 [ _Ragnar__] [ jeru ] [ maddin_] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ sepp ]
16:39 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw_] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
16:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
16:39 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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16:40 < mnemoc> why everytime i get a new IP it is klined on freenode??!
16:41 < rxr_> hi
16:41 < mnemoc> hi rxr_
16:41 < rxr_> klined what ?
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16:42 < mnemoc> ircops ban some IPs out of the servers using kline command
16:47 < mnemoc> jeru: skas linux extension is not stage-1 safe :(
16:48 < mnemoc> rxr: i wonder how many linux extensions are not stage-1 safe
16:54 < mnemoc> rxr: how do build kernel modules only?
16:54 < jeru> mnemoc: oh!
16:55 < jeru> mnemoc: what other patche do you have applied ?
16:55 < mnemoc> jeru: it's the lack of $root
16:56 < mnemoc> uhm... it's not skas
16:56 < mnemoc> it is dfb-linux-fusion sorry
16:56 < mnemoc> i got confused due to skas on extraversion
16:57 < rxr> they all built ehre ...
16:58 < mnemoc> dfb-linux-fusion also?
16:58 < mnemoc> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-skas3-dist/build \
16:58 < mnemoc> CPPFLAGS="-D__KERNEL__ -I`pwd`/linux/include -I/lib/modules/2.6.11.7-skas3-dist/build/include" \ SUBDIRS=`pwd`/linux/drivers/char/fusion modules
16:58 < mnemoc> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-skas3-dist/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
16:58 < mnemoc> make: *** [all] Error 2
17:00 < rxr> hm - didn't si fix that ... :-(
17:00 < rxr> or maybe it was not in my build list
17:00 < mnemoc> did you commit?
17:00 < rxr> my safe content is flushed into SVN ...
17:01 < mnemoc> ...
17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: grep SDEDEBUG_ package/base/linux24/linux24.conf ...
17:03 < rxr> SUBMODULES_ONLY or so ...
17:04 < mnemoc> export before Build-Target?
17:04 -!- FeR [~FeR@cable200-116-193-23.epm.net.co] has joined #t2
17:04 < mnemoc> oh, a colombian
17:05 < FeR> Hola como estan
17:05 < mnemoc> FeR: english here please
17:05 < FeR> alguioen habla espanol de casualidad
17:06 < mnemoc> yes i do, but you have to talk english here
17:06 < FeR> ok
17:08 < mnemoc> FeR: que necesitas?
17:08 < mnemoc> FeR: ok, on query
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17:30 < mnemoc> the guy was offering his designer to do a logo and banner and wanted to know what do we want to "tell" with our logo
17:32 < valentin> why ?
17:32 < valentin> he wants money for that ?
17:32 < mnemoc> to do one
17:32 < mnemoc> no, it sounds like a 'contribution'
17:33 < valentin> but he will have to pay the designer
17:33 < mnemoc> but i guess to be able to say he kind of 'sponsor' OSS proojects
17:33 < valentin> hm
17:33 < valentin> let's hope he is true...
17:34 < valentin> how is he related to t2 ?
17:34 < mnemoc> their company seems to sell linux solutions and he want to start using T2
17:35 < mnemoc> he offered translations also
17:35 < rxr> 14614 Apr 23 17:27 ./string1
17:35 < valentin> as long as his contributions have the correct license, this would be nice
17:36 < rxr> oh
17:36 < rxr> this was not stripped, this is:
17:36 < rxr> 5760 Apr 23 17:37 ./string1
17:36 < valentin> we have to take care that we have full rights to use the logo
17:36 < mnemoc> sure
17:36 < valentin> not that we will be sued some day :/
17:37 < rxr> http://josuttis.com/libbook/string/string1.cpp.html
17:37 < rxr> with my tinySTL ,-)
17:37 < mnemoc> before, we need to know what do we want to "tell" with a designed logo
17:37 < mnemoc> rxr: dfb-fusion only patches install, not build
17:38 < rxr> well logo: that t2 is a stable and flexible base for customized systems
17:38 < rxr> from tiny to high performance
17:40 < mnemoc> i'll go to shower... notebook is been ate by Emerge ooo
17:40 < rxr> now I implement basic iostream and then I can overhaul hotplug++
17:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ,-)
17:40 < rxr> I need to toast my iBook with that also
17:40 < mnemoc> i'll read when get back
17:40 < rxr> but first I need to get that much disk space free
17:40 < rxr> maybe I even have to build over NFS ...
17:40 < mnemoc> oh
17:40 < mnemoc> is 2.7G enough?
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: could be
17:41 < rxr> without ccache of cours
17:41 < mnemoc> i'll move downloads way that partition
17:41 < mnemoc> away*
17:42 < mnemoc> that can give me 500M
17:42 < mnemoc> app.c:20:25: libxml/tree.h: No such file or directory
17:43 < mnemoc> failed :(
17:43 < mnemoc> shower anyway.....
17:44 < mnemoc> continue with logo 'concepts' :)
17:44 < valentin> rxr said it all :)
17:44 < mnemoc> colors? references?
17:44 < valentin> we could sum up some buzzwords about t2, but i do not know how to make a good logo
17:45 < mnemoc> sepp is working on a 3D pet
17:45 < valentin> with three heads - i would not call this 'pet' *g*
17:45 < mnemoc> hehe
17:47 < valentin> "gulliver" is a stupid name, if it sounded better it would be a good synonyme for t2
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17:51 < keinek> hi
17:52 < valentin> hi keinek
17:52 < keinek> i have problems with the stable t2.
17:53 < keinek> when i do Build-Target
17:53 < keinek> dont pass
17:53 < keinek> -> Creating tools.cross/lib/pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf
17:53 < keinek> that line.
17:53 < keinek> freeze there
17:53 < valentin> freeze or abort ?
17:54 < keinek> nothing happen
17:54 < keinek> still there
17:54 < keinek> if abort and ejecute again... dont show anything.
17:57 < valentin> mnemoc: will xtrace work at that point of execution ?
18:01 < rxr> keinek: svn up
18:01 < rxr> keinek: I troduced this freeze bug yesterday
18:01 < keinek> ok
18:02 < keinek> now is svn up
18:02 < keinek> ;)
18:02 < rxr> keinek: you svn switch'ed to branches/2.1 ?
18:02 < keinek> yes
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18:03 < keinek> now work fine
18:03 < keinek> thanks rxr
18:05 < rxr> build startig this lunch - it is already at 5-xorg - thanks to ccache ...
18:07 < mnemoc> rxr: i can only fix dfb-fusion in 3-4 hours... feel free to do it if you have time before that :)
18:08 < rxr> not likely
18:08 < rxr> I want hotplug++ as soon as possible and my new udev, modular live-cd booting tomorrow night6
18:08 < mnemoc> ok
18:08 < rxr> otherwise we'll get in trouble with the schedule for the live-cd
18:09 < mnemoc> rxr: a user reported /etc/profile and /etc/dircolors as 700 on beta4.... i may take a long to to reach that point
18:09 < rxr> and I have still some tinySTL uSTL or however I'll name it STL implementation to do before I'll have a modern written hotplug++ that is STL C++ and tiny, too
18:09 < mnemoc> rxr: don't worry :)
18:09 < rxr> mnemoc: what user? where?
18:10 < mnemoc> Psomething, here on IRC
18:14 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3012 Apr 23 14:43 etc/profile
18:14 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2973 Apr 23 14:43 etc/dircolors
18:15 < mnemoc> good
18:15 < rxr> maybe some umask security frickling on his box
18:15 < mnemoc> is that your last build?
18:15 < rxr> yep
18:15 < rxr> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList
18:15 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop:
18:15 < rxr> 660 builds total, 199 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:20 < jeru> rxr: :)
18:21 < jeru> rxr: btw, have you seen our eye friendly T2 "mouse" skin ? ;)
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18:24 < rxr> string1.cpp:58: warning: the address of `std::ostream& std::endl(std::ostream&)', will always evaluate as `true'
18:24 < rxr> jeru: mouse where what?
18:24 < rxr> in plone ?
18:24 < jeru> yep ...
18:24 < jeru> but I think you'll hat it
18:24 < jeru> ;)
18:26 < jeru> sepp: how can we improve the color scheme to not be so boring but eye friendly ?
18:27 < rxr> eye friendly?
18:27 < rxr> it has far too less contrast to be eye friendly ,-)
18:27 < rxr> I would indeed like s.th. more stylish for PR reasons ...
18:28 < jeru> rxr: what is your proposal ?
18:28 < rxr> but it is your playground
18:28 < jeru> hehe :)
18:28 < rxr> I like the mozillla theme ...
18:28 < rxr> I let you play with it first ...
18:28 < jeru> rxr: ok :)
18:28 < rxr> jeru: can you enable http:// soon, too?
18:29 < jeru> yep ...
18:31 < jeru> rxr: there is also a customizable bug tracker available at https://www2.t2-project.org/support/tracker/ ... any custumization requests are welcomed too ;)
18:34 < rxr> valentin: what was global space in C++ ?
18:34 < rxr> ::write
18:34 < rxr> ?
18:35 < sepp_> jeru: i dont know which things you can change with plone theme, or whatever the name was
18:37 < sepp_> is it boring because it is mouse grey?
18:37 < jeru> sepp_: I think it's too grey
18:37 < rxr> don
18:37 < rxr> don't focus on design
18:38 < rxr> if it is function and works out for all of us we can tweak the look as we want later on ...
18:38 < CIA-9> amery * r8495 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/dfb-linux-fusion/postlinux.conf: * fixed dfb-linux-fusion to extend linux26 properly on stage 1
18:39 < jeru> rxr: what are the most needed functionalities in your point of view ?
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18:40 < rxr> jeru: well in drupal I had problems defining the site navigation
18:41 < rxr> if plone is configured in a way to let us contruct good documention about T2 including good navigation most is fin
18:41 < rxr> plus a way to insert uploaded pictures nicely
18:41 < rxr> then an issue and project tracker would be nice
18:41 < sepp_> jeru: maybe you want to use colours like on http://dict.leo.org/
18:42 < rxr> that would be whta I see as most important to get running ...
18:42 < jeru> rxr: what do you mean with good navigation ?
18:43 < jeru> sepp: will try some things via CSS ... but thx for the link ;)
18:51 < sepp_> jeru: if you want to see a nice dark site check http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/dyn13.html for example
18:51 < valentin> rxr: global space ? why do you need that ?
18:51 < jeru> sepp_: click
18:52 < rxr> valentin: to call C read from within a read member function
18:52 < rxr> the above worked ...
18:52 < valentin> ok
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18:54 < jeru> sepp_: the colors are nice
18:55 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 rene users 6216 Apr 23 18:57 string1
18:56 < rxr> ^- with very basic ostream for basic cout << ,-)
19:12 < rxr> hm - interesting debugging my tinySTL linked with dietlibc works pretty well
19:12 < rxr> not the annoying problems I remeber with the GCC STL and glibc ...
19:13 < rxr> hey! - now my tinySTL mostly works!
19:17 < rxr> ah - all implemented stuff works
19:17 < rxr> forgot that I have not yet implemented string::replace* as well as ostream::operator<<(const char*) ... ,-)
19:21 < rxr> make: *** [spamc/Makefile] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
19:21 < rxr> hm - maybe this is not ccache but some more generic problem at all
19:21 < rxr> I think I already saw this some time ago ...
19:53 < mnemoc> re
19:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about using www2's bugtracker?
19:56 < mnemoc> rxr: i have 4 modules installing outside $xroot here
19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I need to take a look later
19:57 < mnemoc> i'll fix them, but i was wondering about the bugtracker and notifications
19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: reg. kernel modules, maybe I only have tested those included in the desktop subset - sorry
19:58 < mnemoc> * fixed bug #1689, slmodem installing modules outside $xroott <-- and commit messages accordingly
20:07 < mnemoc> jeru, sepp_: i like current colors, are very friendly
20:08 < jeru> mnemoc: :)
20:08 < jeru> mnemoc: but it's still in change ;)
20:09 < valentin> don't get our project site on the dark side - i would prefer light colors, too
20:09 < mnemoc> jeru: about tracker, i would prefer three diferent trackers, one for 2.1, one for 2.2 and one for website
20:11 < mnemoc> jeru: http://wiki.t2-project.org/ <-- take this logo
20:11 < mnemoc> and we chanhe color later
20:11 < mnemoc> but we need a logo
20:11 < valentin> mnemoc: are you sure about the trackers ?
20:12 < valentin> i remember the flystray times in rock, where nobody took a look even at the single tracker
20:12 < mnemoc> valentin: it's up to us
20:12 < mnemoc> valentin: it the tracker is properly integrated with our list and the portal i see no problem to use it
20:13 < jeru> mnemoc: hmmm ... regarding the tracke I'm not quite sure about too
20:13 < mnemoc> jeru: your tracker is ugly
20:13 < mnemoc> but a tracker force us to fix the problems, and help us to not forget them
20:13 < jeru> mnemoc: don't tell me that's ugly ... tell me what's ugly !
20:14 < jeru> :)
20:14 < mnemoc> fonts are bigger than the rest of the iste
20:14 < jeru> mnemoc: ack ... a tracke is a fine thing
20:15 < rxr> we want bug tracker
20:15 < mnemoc> and search is too big
20:15 < mnemoc> i want mail notifications of the bug tracker :)
20:15 < jeru> mnemoc: it has ...
20:15 < mnemoc> i have to go
20:15 < jeru> mnemoc: cu
20:15 < mnemoc> t2@ or t2-bugs@ ? :-)
20:16 < mnemoc> i vot for t2
20:16 < mnemoc> cu
20:16 < rxr> cu
20:17 < valentin> cu mnemoc
20:35 < CIA-9> valentin * r8496 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_dns.sh: * shortened the length and improved the readability of the public_domainname hack in rocknet by using single invocation of sed -i instead of longer constructs.
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21:02 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
21:02 < rxr> ok - string1.cpp finally working (mostly)
21:03 < rxr> damn was getting std::endl compiled and output'ed correctly a damn work ...
21:04 < rxr> 7280 Apr 23 21:05 string1
21:05 < rxr> well - ok the dynamic version of string1 with the full libstdc++ is not much huger
21:05 < rxr> however mine is static w/ dietlibc ...
21:05 < rxr> 7576 Apr 23 21:06 string1-orig
21:06 < rxr> 844984 Apr 23 21:07 string1-orig-static
21:06 < rxr> *grrr*
21:06 < rxr> that beast of course includes big parts of glibc and libstdc++ ...
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21:20 < rxr> $ ./string1 test.bmp foo.tmp 123456.abcdef test.a
21:20 < rxr> test.bmp => test.tmp
21:20 < rxr> foo.tmp => foo.xxx
21:20 < rxr> 123456.abcdef => 123456.tmp
21:20 < rxr> test.a => test.tmp
21:20 < rxr> ok - tinySTL now fully handles string1.cpp ,-)
21:21 < rxr> hehe - but for string2.cpp I already miss too much ...
21:21 < rxr> anyway - /me not starting real world code with it ... the rest will be done on-the-fly ...
21:21 < rxr> hi jascha
21:22 < mnemoc> rehi
21:22 < rxr> hi mnemoc
21:23 < mnemoc> hi rxr
21:28 < jeru> oh ... hi mnemoc
21:30 < mnemoc> hi jeru
21:33 < mnemoc> jeru: IDs have to me unique on location or unique on the whole instance?
21:35 < jeru> location
21:37 < maddin_> gn8
21:37 < jeru> good night maddin_
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21:41 < jeru> mnemoc: now I know what you've done ;)
21:42 < mnemoc> me?
21:42 < mnemoc> what?
21:42 < jeru> mnemoc: why do you want to split the tracker ?
21:43 < mnemoc> for fun :)
21:43 < jeru> he ? :)
21:43 < mnemoc> hehe
21:44 < jeru> please tell me what's your final intention ?
21:44 < mnemoc> to have a bug tracker for 2.1
21:44 < valentin> mnemoc wants to care about devel bugs only
21:44 * valentin hungry
21:45 < valentin> be back later
21:45 < jeru> cu
21:46 < mnemoc> i don't like the idea of mixing unrelated issues on the same tracker
21:48 < jeru> ok ... lets see ... can you then delete the other one please ;)
21:48 < mnemoc> nah
21:48 < mnemoc> rename it ;)
21:48 < mnemoc> we have an unsolved issue there
21:48 < mnemoc> http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/ ?
21:49 < jeru> nah
21:49 < mnemoc> :)
21:49 < jascha> do you guys realize your site is only accessable via www.t2. . . ?
21:49 < jeru> oh! hi jascha :)
21:49 < jascha> hi
21:49 < jascha> ;)
21:50 < jeru> jascha: we're actually working on a new one ;)
21:50 < jeru> it's located on a different server
21:50 < jascha> oh
21:51 < mnemoc> jascha: what do you mean by "only accessable via www.t2-project.org"?
21:51 < jascha> http://t2-project.org
21:51 < rxr> jascha: yes, this is known - and we do not care too much
21:51 < rxr> however I could trivially change this ...
21:51 < jascha> well i figured since it is trivial. . .
21:52 < mnemoc> why is that a need?
21:52 < rxr> jascha: try again
21:53 < jascha> yes
21:53 < rxr> yes as in "works now"?
21:53 < jascha> i only mention it since a lot of people just type the URI in, if they get an error they go elsewhere
21:54 < jascha> since a simple dns entry fixes it, it seems trivial enough to need ;)
21:54 < jascha> yes it works
21:54 < rxr> (not DNS, but virtual server config, but ACK, few lines change ...)=
21:54 < jascha> well there is DNS aliasing
21:54 < jascha> so either way
21:55 < jeru> so jascha how abour your LiveCD ?
21:55 < jeru> are you prepared ?
21:55 < jascha> we are working on a new version now
21:55 < jeru> :)
21:56 < jascha> i was looking to play with t2 like we talked about
21:56 < jeru> :)
21:56 < jascha> to see if it would make updating the things easier
21:56 < jascha> since i want to be able to update the iso monthly now
21:56 < jascha> to keep up with newest versions of everything
21:57 < rxr> jascha: which project are you from ?
21:57 < jeru> well, your package on the last LAS release are a bit outdated
21:57 < jascha> http://localareasecurity.com and http://prelude-ids.org
21:57 < rxr> ah ,-)
21:57 < jascha> yes jeru, very dated ;)
21:57 < jeru> rxr: ;)
21:58 < jascha> i had been sick for a while and was starting a company so it fell by the wayside
21:58 < rxr> jascha: just getting your next up-to-date LiveCD built with T2 is just a matter of running Build-Target again ...
21:58 < rxr> jascha: I'm just working to rework our "a bit rough" livecd target to s.th. more mature
21:58 < rxr> it will be functional next week
21:58 < jascha> well there is also other functionality and scripts i am working to encorporate
22:00 < jascha> the other issue is shoe horning all i want in to the size restriction
22:00 < jascha> seems everything is getting bloated now
22:00 < jascha> even security tools ;)
22:00 < jascha> the "M$ effect"
22:01 < jeru> jascha: bad programmers ;)
22:01 < jascha> yeah that and the everything including the kitchen sink mentality
22:01 < rxr> .oO(In T2 I just removed a lot of outdated crap over the last days ,-)
22:02 < jeru> jascha: what's you current size limit for the CD ?
22:02 < jascha> 180mb and 210mb
22:03 < jascha> mainly since it is an old tradition
22:03 < jeru> but this should work if I take look at your current package selection
22:03 < jascha> well there are a lot of things we compile from source
22:03 < jascha> apt-get only did a small portion
22:03 < jeru> rxr: will the LiveCD compile on branch ?
22:03 < mnemoc> you can skip gcc and friends on ISO creation
22:04 < jeru> mnemoc: foxy foxy ;)
22:04 < jascha> i am working to test it out with t2 now
22:04 < jeru> jascha: good choice ;)
22:04 < jascha> i'll let you know how it goes
22:05 < jascha> and bug you if i have questions :)
22:05 < jeru> jascha: you're welcome
22:05 < jascha> i'll bbl gotta move a bunch of stuff around
22:05 < jeru> jascha: nice firefox plugins you're hosting on your site ;)
22:05 < jascha> oh thanks
22:06 < jascha> the snort does not work at the momment
22:06 < jascha> they have redone their site
22:06 < jascha> so i have to update it once i see what they changed
22:06 < jeru> oh!
22:07 < jascha> but as long as you have it installed it will update itself every three days
22:07 < rxr> jascha: the livecd will be 2.2 only ...
22:07 < jeru> jascha: btw, snort gets automatically patched if yu've enabled libprelude ;)
22:07 < jascha> cool
22:08 < jeru> :)
22:08 < mnemoc> jeru: did you fix the problem with aclocal?
22:08 < jeru> mnemoc: on the last target build it worked
22:09 < mnemoc> weird
22:09 < jeru> ack
22:12 < jeru> jascha: btw, who has designed your dog logo ?
22:12 < rxr> cu
22:13 < jascha> i knew a guy that did it for me
22:13 < jascha> trying to remember his website
22:13 < jascha> although i would not recommend him to anyone, he was a pain in the ass about the "copyright" of the image
22:13 < jeru> atm we're looking for a nice logo too
22:25 < jeru> mnemoc: don't you want to enable plone integration of your 2.1 tracker ?
22:26 < mnemoc> what did i do wrong?
22:26 < jeru> mnemoc: forget about the last....
22:26 < jeru> :)
22:26 < jeru> nothing
22:27 < jeru> I enabled plone integration ... and thats why it looks so ugly ;)
22:29 < mnemoc> the menu on the left?
22:31 < jeru> yep ... default it overides plone settings
22:32 < jeru> mnemoc: but I think that's ok for the tracker
22:34 < jeru> mnemoc: but the tracker menu doesn't work properly if we overide plone settings
22:53 < valentin> jeru: url ?
22:54 < jeru> works now
22:54 < jeru> ah wrong urll
22:55 < valentin> hm ?
22:55 < valentin> no - i just wanted to know if i can see your plone experiment somewhere
22:55 < jeru> ahhh ...
22:55 < jeru> thought it was mnemoc ;)
22:56 < jeru> sorry
22:56 < jeru> valentin: https://www2.t2-project.org
22:56 < valentin> nice
22:57 < jeru> valentin: any ideas welcomed ;)
22:57 < valentin> some logo would be nice :p
22:58 < valentin> and the folders in the menu look like M$ windingsda
22:59 < valentin> all the icons are a bit small and old-school
22:59 < valentin> but i do not mind too much
23:00 < jeru> valentin: no problem ... go on ... :)
23:00 < valentin> i guess one can easily tweak such details
23:00 < jeru> valentin: please see https://www2.t2-project.org/support/trackweb/ to file your issues ;)
23:00 < valentin> the question more important to me is, how easy can one edit content ?
23:01 < jeru> do you wanna have access ? ;)
23:01 < valentin> you need my password ?
23:01 < jeru> nope
23:01 < valentin> i just wanted to take a short look
23:01 < jeru> I'll create a user and will change your pw afterwards
23:01 < jeru> ok ...
23:41 < jeru> http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone/PloneHelpCenter ?
23:43 < mnemoc> logo!
23:44 < mnemoc> take the one from wiki and inject it on www2
23:44 < jeru> I'll package it
23:44 < jeru> arrrrggg it's an ugly logo
23:45 < valentin> jeru: pssssst (rxr made it)
23:45 * jeru hides
23:45 < valentin> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX <- a big wall to hide ...
23:45 < jeru> ok I'll retract ugly :p
23:46 < valentin> i guess rxr will forgive you once you come up with a better logo :)
23:46 < jeru> ohhhhh !
23:47 < mnemoc> that's the logo we have.... use it
23:47 < mnemoc> until we get a better one
23:47 < jeru> mnemoc: ok ok ok ok!
23:48 < jeru> .oO(damn collegues)
23:48 < mnemoc> :)
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23:56 < mnemoc> hi ojh
23:57 < ojh> mnemoc: Hi. :)
23:57 < mnemoc> jeru: where do i set the values that people can choose?
23:57 < jeru> tracker ?
23:57 < jeru> https://www2.t2-project.org/support/track21/pcng_configuration
23:57 < jeru> Schema Editor
23:59 < mnemoc> aha.... i can click on the names :p
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