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00:00 < mnemoc> no, Emerge-Pkg rox-filler will fetch source and build
00:01 < PeskyGee> says to me command not found
00:02 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg
00:02 < mnemoc> on your working copy root
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00:02 < mnemoc> but remember T2 is designed to maintain distributions an another machine and distribute pre-built packages
00:03 < PeskyGee> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg rox-filer "no such file or dir'
00:04 < PeskyGee> not working for me 
00:06 < mnemoc> <mnemoc> on your working copy
00:06 < PeskyGee> yes I am root on my working copy and will not work 
00:06 < mnemoc> you have to have a copy (or svn co) to t2 source
00:07 < mnemoc> if you get "no such file or dir", you are not on the root of your working copy of T2
00:08 < PeskyGee> yep I am in root 
00:08 < mnemoc> ls ?
00:09 < PeskyGee> yep bin, usr, home, etc
00:09 < mnemoc> then you are at the root of our machine but _not_ on the root of your working copy of T2
00:09 < PeskyGee> What????? then where is that?
00:10 < mnemoc> usually at /usr/src/t2-something
00:10 < mnemoc> but that is up to you
00:10 < mnemoc> ]# ls
00:10 < mnemoc> architecture  COPYING  Documentation  misc  NEWS  package  README  scripts  source  target  TODO
00:10 < mnemoc> that's how a root of T2 source looks like
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00:13 < PeskyGee> well sorry to say but that just about does it for me. Thanks very much for all you help everyone but it appears that this is not the right distro for me. I hate to say it but to be honest. Due to the extreme lack of documentation, I feel that I will end up being a pain in everyone's ass here in the room so I guess I will have to go searching again for an alternative. Thanks again. Perhaps when this matures more I will give it anothe
00:14 < PeskyGee> Take care all 
00:15 < PeskyGee> I really wish that it would have worked though. perhaps another time 
00:15 < mnemoc> ?
00:16 < mnemoc> most T2 builds have T2 source at /usr/src/t2-src
00:16 < mnemoc> but that's static, so you may prefer a svn checkout
00:16 < mnemoc> of http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
00:16 < mnemoc> T2 is the database and framework
00:17 < mnemoc> so to do anything regard it you need the source of T2
00:17 < mnemoc> as with any other package
00:18 < mnemoc> T2 is a system development enviroment, not a distribution
00:18 < mnemoc> you can use T2 to build your own distribution
00:18 < PeskyGee> mnemoc: I really appriciate your help but this has pretty much nothing but frustrated me and I don't want to be a pain here. I wanted to roll my own but the setup of this system is a little different than I am used to.
00:19 < PeskyGee> If I had more documentation perhaps I would keep at it but I'm basically pounding my head against the wall at this time
00:19 < mnemoc> you have to see it as what it is, a kit, not a distribution
00:19 < mnemoc> handbook has most stuff you may need
00:20 < PeskyGee> I understand and yes, I did roll my own and intsalled it but from there brrrrrr. Yes I have been looking at the handbook but some of that appears to be dated and does not make sense anymore 
00:20 < mnemoc> oh
00:20 < PeskyGee> isn't that the same doc from rock?
00:22 < mnemoc> from user point of view mostly yes
00:22 < PeskyGee> tell ya what, I'm gonna go back into it and see about that dir you stated 
00:22 < mnemoc> :)
00:22 < PeskyGee> just for shits and giggles  :-)
00:22 < mnemoc> you can svn co whereever you want :)
00:23 < PeskyGee> you've been a big help man thanks. Just don't bang your head off the wall because of me  :-)
00:23 < mnemoc> hehe
00:23 < mnemoc> i'm used to ;)
00:24 < PeskyGee> well thansk  :-)
00:26 < mnemoc> we are working on a CMS to increace documentation and user experience, but we are just a few people and we focus on improving the kid keeping documentation almost forgotten :(
00:26  * jeru says good night to mnemoc, PeskyGee aka "The Head Bangers" 
00:26 < jeru> now that the CMS issue raises 
00:26 < jeru> :)
00:27 < mnemoc> jeru is gulty
00:28  * jeru hides ... 
00:28 < PeskyGee> heheh uuuhhhoo  :-) I opeened a can of worms  :-) sorry dude 
00:29 < PeskyGee> That was one thing that I was think, why are there only a few people here?? I would have thought this would have been more popular 
00:29 < mnemoc> T2 is kind of new, less than one year
00:29 < PeskyGee> and no I don't see that dir that you are taking about except in the dir that I built the system in that is all 
00:30 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk /usr/src/t2-trunk
00:30 < mnemoc> the dir where you built the system _is_ a T2 working copy
00:31 < PeskyGee> ooo but I thought that if I do it there I'm just building for another ISO and not the system I'm using now?
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00:32 < mnemoc> it's the same
00:32 < mnemoc> the kit is only one
00:32 < valentin> have to sleep now - cu
00:32 < mnemoc> designed to build systems, but usable to maintain installed machines too
00:32 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 
00:33 < PeskyGee> oooh Compile failed, Filer doesn't work! Giving up.. Abort
00:34 < mnemoc> option 1) show me the error
00:34 < mnemoc> option 2) quit
00:34 < PeskyGee> There is no option one at all. 
00:35 < PeskyGee> died at the start 
00:35 < mnemoc> paste?
00:35 < PeskyGee> not on the system to do so 
00:36 < PeskyGee> but its gets to Building the Write output to $root..... and the dir and after that it says compile failed 
00:36 < PeskyGee> Press Return, Filer doesn't work! Giving Up... Aborting. 
00:36 < PeskyGee> and no log file 
00:37 < mnemoc> less src.rox-filer*/ERRORLOG
00:38 < PeskyGee> ok will try as soon as windowmaker compiles  :-)
00:38 < PeskyGee> this resolves deps yes?
00:39 < mnemoc> HEAD does
00:39 < PeskyGee> boy you are good man! You twisted my arm  :-) I'm not done yet  :-) let me get a f!@#ing GUI up on this bastard and we'll see  :-)
00:39 < mnemoc> old snapshots dont
00:39 < mnemoc> :)
00:40 < PeskyGee> wmaker is done  :-)
00:40 < mnemoc> :)
00:40 < PeskyGee> ok don't I have to export PROFILE or something like that now?
00:41 < mnemoc> export WINDOWMANAGER=blah
00:41 < PeskyGee> need to create a user also I'm in root right now 
00:41 < mnemoc> using stone you can set your default WINDOWMANAGER
00:41 < PeskyGee> standard useradd -m ID should do yes?
00:42 < mnemoc> yes
00:42 < mnemoc> network config is the only not-linux-standard thing on default T2 builds
00:43 < PeskyGee> ooh I get /etc/profile: Permission denied when loggin in a user 
00:43 < mnemoc> uhm?
00:43 < mnemoc> weird
00:43 < jeru> create your home dir perhaps?
00:44 < PeskyGee> -m should have done so yes?
00:44 < mnemoc> /etc/profile is 644 here
00:44 < PeskyGee> humm no guess it did not humm 
00:44  * mnemoc writting that on his TODO
00:45 < PeskyGee> but yes it created a home for me humm 
00:45  * jeru wants to have a copy of mnemocs todo ;)
00:45 < PeskyGee> .profile is 626 here 
00:46 < PeskyGee> that in my home dir 
00:46 < jeru> because I can't write ... I'm read only ;)
00:46 < PeskyGee> humm need to fix that I guess?
00:46 < PeskyGee> chmod 664 .profile?
00:47 < mnemoc> 626???
00:47 < PeskyGee> yes in my user home its 626
00:47 < PeskyGee> -rwx------
00:48 < jeru> 626 ? .... but anyway I have no ~/.profile ...
00:49 < mnemoc> useradd -m creates it
00:49 < mnemoc> i use .bash and .bash_profile :)
00:49 < jeru> thanks ... master mnemoc :)
00:49 < mnemoc> i guess all of us create their own homes by hand :p
00:49 < jeru> ack ... :D
00:49 < mnemoc> 626 is the size!
00:49 < PeskyGee> perahsp I should remove this and start over then?
00:50 < mnemoc> not the permissions
00:50 < jeru> :D
00:50 < PeskyGee> what do you guys do?
00:50 < mnemoc> username -m creates, chown and copy /etc/skel
00:50 < mnemoc> into $HOME
00:51 < PeskyGee> perhaps I should rm my home dir now?
00:51 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: nah
00:51 < mnemoc> what permissions have /etc/profile ?
00:52 < PeskyGee> -rwx------
00:52 < jeru> -rw-r--r--
00:52 < mnemoc> chmod 644 /etc/profile
00:53 < mnemoc> i can't imagine why yours got 700
00:54 < PeskyGee> humm
00:54 < mnemoc> anyway... that default .profile is discusting... i have to write a good one
00:55 < PeskyGee> that didn't work do I userdel my ID 
00:55 < PeskyGee> how do you guys create your uses?
00:56 < PeskyGee> users?
00:56 < mnemoc> useradd foo
00:56 < mnemoc> mkdir /home/foo
00:56 < mnemoc> chown foo:users /home/foo
00:56 < mnemoc> passwd foo
00:56 < jeru> export TZ=Europe/Vienna 
00:57 < jeru> "god's" time 
00:57 < mnemoc> i assume that's clifford's discusting .profile
00:57 < jeru> hehe ... 
00:58 < PeskyGee> heheh man dircolors: /etc/dircolors: permission demied and the same again for /etc/conf/profile
00:59 < PeskyGee> it says I have no name  :-) heheh WTF
00:59 < PeskyGee> I have no name!@t2:~$
00:59 < PeskyGee> heheh 
00:59 < PeskyGee> now that sucks 
00:59 < mnemoc> what revision did you used to build that machine?
01:00 < PeskyGee> the latest release 2.1.0-beta4
01:00 < mnemoc> outch
01:00 < PeskyGee> see the release out on distrowatch and thought humm go for it 
01:01 < PeskyGee> guess I have to chmod those 2 also?
01:01 < jeru> hmmm ... beta4 seems to be crap
01:01 < PeskyGee> gee thanks guys for giving me a steaming pile of shit  :-) heheh man :-)
01:02 < PeskyGee> your killin me  :-)
01:03 < mnemoc> :(
01:03 < jeru> as long as you can swear around ... I gues you're still alive ;)
01:03 < PeskyGee> If I can get a gui up and get in and use a term, I will get the SVN trunk perhaps that will be better?
01:04 < PeskyGee> yea, no big deal for me  :-) just chain moked a pack thats all  :-) and swore my a!! off  :-)
01:04 < jeru> PeskyGee: you don't have to use a GUI to get the trunk ;)
01:04 < PeskyGee> but you guys are sharing in the headache so....:)
01:05 < PeskyGee> yes I know but I want o mess around and check email and stuff to you know while its churning out a new  :-)
01:07 < PeskyGee> I can as root but don't really want to do that 
01:07 < PeskyGee> Learning the hard way :) usually a good thing 
01:07 < jeru> mnemoc: your "Total" package counter on your ref build is irritating me
01:07 < mnemoc> jeru: rebuild stage enabled
01:08 < mnemoc> jeru: many problems appear there
01:08 < PeskyGee> Perhaps I help you guys out a little?
01:08 < PeskyGee> squash a few bugs|?
01:09 < jeru> PeskyGee: install trunk and I guess you can squashing around
01:10 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: any help is welcomed
01:12 < PeskyGee> well just want to get up here and I will SVN the latest. Will that have fixed some of these things?
01:12 < mnemoc> /etc/{profile,dircolors} wasn't detected before
01:12 < mnemoc> so it's not yet fixed
01:13 < PeskyGee> Hey I got into wmaker as root  :-) 
01:13 < PeskyGee> thats a start 
01:13 < mnemoc> and my reference build haven't reach that point yet
01:13 < PeskyGee> so what should I do get an older ver or?
01:14 < mnemoc> chmod 644 /etc/{profile,dircolors} on your machine :)
01:14 < mnemoc> always go forward, never step back
01:15 < jeru> finaly ... I'll go sleep now ... good night :)
01:15 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru 
01:15 < mnemoc> happy plone tomorrow :)
01:15 < PeskyGee> heheh that worked but it still says I have no name at my command prompt  :-)
01:15 < jeru> cu mnemoc :)
01:16 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: can you paste that?
01:16 < jeru> cu PeskyGee :)
01:16 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: or transcript
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01:16 < PeskyGee> I have no name!@t2:~$
01:17 < mnemoc> o_O
01:17 < mnemoc> are you at /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ?
01:17 < PeskyGee> you mean? 
01:17 < PeskyGee> that is when I login with my user
01:18 < mnemoc> what 'id' say?
01:18 < mnemoc> and what $PS1 say ?
01:18 < mnemoc> i'm a bit puzzled :p
01:18 < PeskyGee> id = uid=1000 gid=100 groups=100
01:19 < mnemoc> getent passwd | tail -n 1
01:20 < PeskyGee> $PS1 = -bash: \u@\h:\w\$: command not found
01:20 < mnemoc> echo "$PS1" :)
01:21 < PeskyGee> \u@\h:\w\$
01:21 < PeskyGee> brb 
01:21 < mnemoc> you seem to have an nss problem there .... .oO( what the heck happed?? )o
01:23 < mnemoc> useradd -m works perfect here
01:23 < mnemoc> # id foo
01:23 < mnemoc> uid=1012(foo) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
01:23 < mnemoc> why is your nss borked?
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01:24 < PeskyGee> don't know 
01:26 < PeskyGee> should I try and remove and try again?
01:26 < mnemoc> getent passwd    looks ok?
01:27 < PeskyGee> foo:x1000:100::/home/foo:/bin/bash
01:27 < mnemoc> x1000 or x:1000 ?
01:28 < PeskyGee> foo:x:1000:100::/home/foo:/bin/bash
01:29 < mnemoc> grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf
01:29 < mnemoc> you have something _very_ odd there
01:30 < mnemoc> maybe nscd doing something wrong
01:30 < PeskyGee> passwd:          db files
01:33 < mnemoc> and: id foo     say uid=1000 instead of uid=1000(foo)....
01:33 < mnemoc> ....
01:34 < mnemoc> you used beta4 snapshot and.. what target/template?  i'll try to replicate that here
01:35 < PeskyGee> I used optimized for Ath XP and a generic system, minimal install w/xorg
01:41 < PeskyGee> but I have my gui up as a user so getting there  :-) but I have no name . heheh 
01:42 < mnemoc> can you try another `useradd blah` and `id blah` ?
01:43 < PeskyGee> sure
01:46 < PeskyGee> same thing: I have no name 
01:47 < mnemoc> nscd -g ?
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01:47 < PeskyGee> command not found
01:51 < mnemoc> uhm? nscd is part of glibc
01:51 < mnemoc> /usr/sbin/nscd -g ?
01:53 < PeskyGee> nscd is not running
01:54 < mnemoc> why don't you have /usr/sbin on your PATH?
01:54 < mnemoc> your installation is weird
01:54 < PeskyGee> no idea dude. I didn't do it  :-)
01:56 < mnemoc> pwconv
01:56 < mnemoc> id foo
01:56 < mnemoc> no name?
01:58 < PeskyGee> pwconv: command not found
02:01 < PeskyGee> sounds like I'm b0rked 
02:02 < PeskyGee> brb
02:02 < mnemoc> are you root?
02:02 < mnemoc> bbl ... 40 minutes to get home
02:04 < PeskyGee> yes I'm root
02:04 < PeskyGee> ok 
02:06 < CIA-9> amery * r8427 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: * changed ccache/parse-config to not symlink ccache to loop, it is senseless to me and makes troubles
02:32 < PeskyGee> how to get the kernel sources for installing nvidia ?
02:39 < mnemoc> re
02:39 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: we have an nvidia package
02:40 < PeskyGee> yea just got it 
02:40 < mnemoc> emerge nvidia and re-emerge linux26 after that
02:41 < PeskyGee> I already did a /Emerge-Pkg nvidia 
02:41 < PeskyGee> so just so again for the kernel26 yes?
02:42 < mnemoc> o_O  what did you say?
02:42 < PeskyGee> yea building now 
02:43 < PeskyGee> I already did a Build-Pkg nvidia 
02:43 < PeskyGee> now I'm doing linux26
02:43 < mnemoc> don't use Build-Pkg, use Emerge-Pkg
02:44 < PeskyGee> aaahh ok see that now it aborted. Thanks 
02:45 < mnemoc> Build-Pkg is for internal usage only
02:45 < PeskyGee> well one thing I can sure say, this has been a hell of a learning experience  :-)
02:46 < mnemoc> :)
02:46 < mnemoc> using T2 you will learn a lot
02:46 < PeskyGee> it aborted also 
02:46 < PeskyGee> yes can see that 
02:46 < mnemoc> what does it say?
02:46 < PeskyGee> 9 Aborted building package 
02:47 < mnemoc> :)
02:47 < mnemoc> above that
02:47 < PeskyGee> oooh 
02:47 < PeskyGee> Generic linux patching
02:47 < mnemoc> .oO
02:47 < PeskyGee> seemed to die at the netfilter-la package 
02:48 < PeskyGee> says: tar: then the dir of netfilter-la 
02:48 < PeskyGee> error is not recoverable 
02:48 < PeskyGee> no log file 
02:48 < mnemoc> uhm
02:49 < PeskyGee> Do I need to get that package?
02:49 < mnemoc> linux26? of course you need it
02:49 < mnemoc> less src.linux26.blah/ERRORLOG
02:49 < mnemoc> and see what file is making it fail
02:49 < mnemoc> at the bottom
02:50 < mnemoc> i guess it's squashfs
02:50 < mnemoc> but i need to be sure :)
02:50 < PeskyGee> heheh whats blah? :-)
02:51 < PeskyGee> oooh heheh ok I get it  :-)
02:51 < PeskyGee> hehhe
02:51 < mnemoc> echo src.linux26*   will tell you
02:52 < PeskyGee> no such file 
02:52 < mnemoc> echo src.linux26*/ERROR*
02:54 < PeskyGee> Build Error: ls: *.cron: Nosuch file or dir 
02:54 < PeskyGee> ls: *.portinstall: no such file or dir
02:54 < mnemoc> you mentioned a tar problem
02:54 < mnemoc> what files is it untaring?
02:55 < PeskyGee> yep netfilter-layer7-v1.0.tar.bz2: no such file or dir 
02:55 < mnemoc> oh
02:55 < PeskyGee> looks like i need a file yes?
02:55 < mnemoc> that is l7-filter
02:55 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Download l7-filter
02:55 < PeskyGee> k
02:56 < PeskyGee> is that an L or a I ?
02:56 < mnemoc> layer
02:57 < PeskyGee> done 
02:57 < PeskyGee> try again  :-)
02:58 < PeskyGee> I'll get this damn thing working or its gonna kill me  :-) 
02:58 < PeskyGee> heheh but I still have no name :)
02:58 < mnemoc> no name is a nss problem on your mahcine
02:59 < PeskyGee> aaahhh now we have the squash.fs problem 
02:59 < mnemoc> echo package/*/squash*
03:00 < mnemoc> and Download that package
03:01 < PeskyGee> got it 
03:01 < PeskyGee> do I need to build that one?
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03:02 < PeskyGee> got it  :-)
03:04 < PeskyGee> mnemoc: Thanks for all the help. I gotta get going. Catch you perhaps on the weekend. Have a good evening. Cya 
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03:24 < mnemoc> :(
03:24 < mnemoc> i hate my ISP
04:02 < keinek> mnemoc, t2 is still unstable?
04:03 < keinek> we must have a stable tree
04:03 < keinek> :)
04:04 < mnemoc> i'm on 5-linux26 here :)
04:05 < keinek> what is 5-linux26
04:05 < keinek> stage 5?
04:05 < keinek> when you think that all is ready, tell me, so i test my target :)
04:09 < mnemoc> yep
04:09 < keinek> ;)
04:09 < mnemoc> i had to disable ash to continue anyway
04:11 < keinek> estan todos dormidos...
04:11 < keinek> ¿grandes cambios en t2 verdad?
04:11 < mnemoc> no grandes pero si violentos
04:11 < keinek> ventajas?
04:12 < keinek> me gusto lo del emerge, que ahora baja dependencias por default
04:16 < mnemoc> yep
04:16 < mnemoc> me falta hacer que detecte las extensiones y las baje tambien, para evitar errores que no son dependencias
04:17 < mnemoc> oops
04:17 < keinek> oops=
04:17 < keinek> ?
04:17 < mnemoc> t2: export LANG=en_US
04:17 < keinek> jejeje
04:17 < mnemoc> why the heck did you talk to me in spanish???
04:17 < mnemoc> you confused me
04:17 < keinek> that is the idea
04:17 < keinek> sorry
04:17 < keinek> :)
04:18  * mnemoc kicks keinek 
04:18 < keinek> i am so alone in t2-es :'(
04:18 < mnemoc> we can talk here :)
04:20 < keinek> yes.
04:20 < keinek> my english is better than the first day?
04:21 < keinek> i think that i speak like tarzan.
04:22 < mnemoc> _i_ am tarzan here
04:23 < keinek> one week since i left my job
04:23 < keinek> i feel good
04:24 < keinek> and still wait the phone call from the other job.
04:24 < mnemoc> send your CV to another place
04:25 < keinek> the interview was three days ago.
04:25 < keinek> do you thing that i have chance?
04:25 < mnemoc> yep
04:25 < mnemoc> she said she will call you for 'no' also
04:25 < keinek> yes... but she can liar me.
04:26 < keinek> next week i start search new job
04:26 < keinek> while i do little jobs in my home.
04:26 < mnemoc> ack
04:27 < keinek> ack?
04:27 < mnemoc> TCP slang ;)
04:27 < mnemoc> acknowledge
04:27 < mnemoc> "acuerdo"
04:28 < mnemoc> the oposit of nack
04:28 < keinek> like "de acuerdo"
04:28 < keinek> in this week i saw that i am very good with Corel Draw.
04:29 < keinek> i win 7 U$S for one little job.
04:29 < keinek> or 20 $ in my money.
04:30 < keinek> someone replace of corel draw in linux?
04:30 < keinek> that can open the same format?
04:30 < mnemoc> keinek: you have to try inkscape and skencil?
04:30 < keinek> ok
04:30 < keinek> i do that
04:30 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if they can read corel draw files
04:30 < mnemoc> i doubt anyway ;)
04:31 < keinek> Mmmm is ready in t2 :)
04:32 < keinek> i like t2
04:32 < keinek> thanks for all the help.
04:32 < keinek> there is not easy teach t2
04:33 < mnemoc> :)
04:33 < keinek> if you can, i wanna start translate doc.
04:33 < keinek> can you send me text in english for translating?
04:34 < keinek> ahhh i have one problem
04:34 < mnemoc> you can start translating our quick start
04:34 < keinek> private
04:35 < keinek> ok... i do that
04:36 < keinek> i have the same error in inkscape that in gimp
04:36 < keinek> error in 9-util-linux.err :(
04:37 < mnemoc> can you publish your errorlog?
04:37 < keinek> sure
04:39 < keinek> http://projects.hsol.net/red-handed/9-util-linux.err
04:39 < keinek> i hope that mike dont (cague a palos) for that.
04:40 < keinek> :D
04:41 < keinek> http://b.1asphost.com/radionet24/9-util-linux.err
04:41 < keinek> that hosting works... but the file is send for download.
04:43 < mnemoc> try re-emerging linux-header
04:44 < mnemoc> what's inkscape error?
04:44 < keinek> that is the inkscape error
04:44 < keinek> emerge try emerge util-linux
04:45 < keinek> i force emerge linux header
04:47 < mnemoc> -deps=none   will skip dependencies
04:48 < keinek> ok
04:48 < keinek> i do that
05:03 < keinek> required some libgc
05:04 < keinek> error: libgc (the Boehm Conservative Collector) 6.4+, is needed
05:04 < keinek> before need xml::parser
05:04 < keinek> i do emerge it
05:04 < keinek> but libgc
05:04 < mnemoc> boehm-gc
05:04 < keinek> thanks
05:04 < keinek> package/security/libgcrypt
05:04 < keinek> i thinks that this dont work
05:04 < keinek> :)
05:05 < mnemoc> why?
05:06 < keinek> i was confuse the libs
05:06 < keinek> :D
05:06 < keinek> but boehm-gc is the correct :)
05:07 < mnemoc> error: libgc (the Boehm Conservative Collector) 6.4+, is needed <--- isn't evident?
05:08 < keinek> yes is evident
05:08 < keinek> but i search "echo package/*/*libgc*
05:08 < mnemoc> :)
05:08 < mnemoc> echo package/*/*boehm* :)
05:08 < keinek> and found package/security/libgcrypt :D
05:08 < mnemoc> but you were close
05:08 < keinek> yes
05:08 < keinek> :)
05:09 < keinek> mmmm
05:09 < keinek> no is very very bad
05:09 < keinek> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0  libxml-2.0 >= 2.6.0  libxslt >= 1.0.15  sigc++-2.0 >= 2.0.3  gtkmm-2.4  ... Package libxml-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libxml-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libxml-2.0' found
05:09 < keinek> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0  libxml-2.0 >= 2.6.0  libxslt >= 1.0.15  sigc++-2.0 >= 2.0.3  gtkmm-2.4  ) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
05:09 < keinek> Due to previous errors, no 9-inkscape.log file!
05:09 < keinek> look that
05:10 < keinek> i need that emerge do that for me ;)
05:11 < keinek> or wait for new build target
05:16 < mnemoc> libxml :)
05:17 < mnemoc> we can't updated all .cache
05:17 < mnemoc> err
05:17 < mnemoc> we _haven't_ updated all .cache
05:17 < mnemoc> .oO( i have been writing crap the whole day )o
05:22 < keinek> that is you video game.
05:22 < keinek> you enjoy it :)
05:23 < mnemoc> :(
05:23 < keinek> i forget tell you....
05:24 < keinek> i can copy dvd in the old athlon 750
05:24 < keinek> with T2 :)
05:24 < keinek> now i need print with cup
05:26 < mnemoc> cups
05:26 < CIA-9> amery * r8428 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * improved Emerge-Pkg to also download files of extenders
05:26 < mnemoc> keinek: read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Printing-Usage-HOWTO.html first :)
05:27 < keinek> ok thanks
05:27 < keinek> i remember something like a server in the browser.
05:27 < keinek> but this is in the past
05:27 < keinek> with red hat
05:32 < mnemoc> cups has web interface
05:32 < keinek> i was download a dvd with lessons of linux
05:32 < mnemoc> actualy cups is web based
05:32 < keinek> :)
05:32 < keinek> two dvd
05:32 < keinek> i see now the lesson of printing.
05:32 < keinek> :)
05:32 < mnemoc> uhm? what is that?
05:33 < keinek> lesson of linux in two dvd
05:33 < keinek> from spain.
05:35 < keinek> /usr/sbin/cupsd mmmm demon.
05:35 < keinek> :)
05:35 < mnemoc> it's self contiened
05:35 < mnemoc> but you need ghostscript
05:36 < keinek> http://localhost:631/
05:36 < keinek> step by step
05:36 < keinek> is easy
05:36 < keinek> :)
05:37 < keinek> ghostscripts
05:37 < keinek> Mmmm for what?
05:38 < mnemoc> postscript handling
05:50 < keinek> no
05:50 < keinek> my print is working good
05:51 < keinek> like epson
05:51 < keinek> 9 wire
05:51 < keinek> :)
05:51 < keinek> another t2 shot
05:51 < keinek> bye bye windows.
05:52 < mnemoc> :)
05:52 < keinek> what is the best way to config a monitor?
05:53 < keinek> you know... refresh... and all the shit.
05:53 < keinek> because is a samsung syncmaters 3 ne
05:53 < mnemoc> read the specs of your monitor and write them on xorg config?
05:53 < keinek> i remember that work fine in 1024x769
05:53 < keinek> 768*
05:53 < keinek> another way?
05:54 < mnemoc> guessing :)
05:54 < keinek> ok
05:55 < mnemoc> i'm not a graphic person... ask others during day :)
05:59 < keinek> i found in gogle :)
05:59 < keinek> is amazing the printer in linux
06:00 < mnemoc> why?
06:01 < keinek> i need do some test
06:01 < keinek> but now is working good
06:16 < CIA-9> amery * r8429 /trunk/package/graphic/ghostscript/ (ghostscript.conf ghostscript.desc): 
06:16 < CIA-9> * versioned ghostscript's pdf_sec.ps
06:16 < CIA-9> * changed ghostscript to install encrypted PDF (pdf_sec.ps)
06:30 < keinek> mnemoc, 
06:30 < keinek> i need concatetar two files
06:30 < keinek> like
06:30 < keinek> copy leo.txt + leo2.txt leo3.txt
06:31 < keinek> but in linux
06:31 < keinek> how do that?
06:33 < keinek> i do 
06:33 < keinek> cat file1.txt > file3.txt
06:34 < keinek> cat file2.txt >> file3.txt
06:34 < keinek> and works :)
06:34 < mnemoc> that's the way
06:38 < keinek> yeah!!! i got 1024x768 in my samsung.
06:38 < keinek> i found a old config.
06:38 < mnemoc> :)
06:38 < keinek> a part from here... a part from there.
06:38 < keinek> and ... i have a new config.
06:38 < keinek> :)
06:38 < CIA-9> amery * r8430 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-142/ (4 files): * fixed copyright note and download location of sun-jdk-142
06:38 < keinek> now i will install open office and can print mi cv
06:39 < mnemoc> keinek: try emerging ooo
06:41 < CIA-9> amery * r8431 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/ (extract-x86.diff sun-jre-142.desc): 
06:41 < CIA-9> * injected copyright note for sun-jre-142
06:41 < CIA-9> * fixed download location for sun-jre-142
06:44 < CIA-9> amery * r8432 /trunk/package/java/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * changed ibm-{jdk,jre}-142 to optional. manual:// packages can't be enabled by default
06:53 < keinek> ooo work now?
06:53 < keinek> i will install it but the printer is dont working
06:53 < keinek> found one generic printer but not the cup that i config.
06:55 < mnemoc> ooo 1.9-m90 is building on rene's at least
06:56 < keinek> ok i will emerge it in my best machine.
07:01 < keinek> isa sound is support by alsa in t2?
07:01 < keinek> i have problems with sound blaster vibra 16
07:02 < mnemoc> no idea
07:02 < keinek> Mmmm audio onboard must work.
07:02 < CIA-9> amery * r8433 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (4 files in 3 dirs): * fixed some forgoten ROCKCFG on mnemosyne
07:03 < keinek> mozilla-source for OOO??
07:04 < mnemoc> :(
07:04 < mnemoc> ask them, not me
07:05 < keinek> :)
07:06 < CIA-9> amery * r8434 /trunk/misc/archive/AuditBuild.sh: * changed AuditBuild.sh to delete old regressions info.... it grows too fast
07:07 < CIA-9> amery * r8435 /trunk/misc/share/DownloadTranslations: * added a mirror for kde on DownloadTranslations
07:08 < CIA-9> amery * r8436 /trunk/misc/ (archive/RegressionsReport.sh target/functions.in): * injected copyright notes to misc/
07:10 < CIA-9> amery * r8437 /trunk/scripts/Download: * changed how Download shows manual:// message
07:18 < CIA-9> amery * r8438 /trunk/target/dreamcast/ (build.sh config.in parse-config preconfig.in): * adjusted copyright note for dreamcast target
07:18 < CIA-9> amery * r8439 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkg_mod_mono.conf: * injected copyright note to mnemosyne/mod_mono module
07:21 < rxr> == 23:57:02 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m90 2.1.0-rc2].
07:21 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 27.85% (2737 hits, 7092 misses)
07:21 < rxr> == 04/22/05 06:43:11 =[9]=> Finished building package ooo.
07:21 < rxr> s.th prevents ooo from beeing build fully cached ... :-(
07:21 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
07:21 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
07:22  * rxr breakfast
07:22 < keinek> hi rxr
07:22 < rxr> hi you booth
07:23 < mnemoc> who is the booth here?
07:23 < keinek> what is a booth?
07:23 < keinek> :)
07:23 < rxr> was it spelled both?
07:23 < rxr> keinek: ISA should work fine, too
07:23 < keinek> alsa dont detect my old isa sound blaster vibra 16 :(
07:23 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
07:24 < keinek> but i dont care.
07:24 < keinek> i will try with the integrated on board.
07:24 < keinek> when can build my target ?
07:24 < keinek> :)
07:25 < keinek> my both cd, athlon xp, and athlon build are very special.
07:25 < keinek> there are my two stable versions. :)
07:26 < keinek> still i make two new builds of that disc.
07:32 < mnemoc> :)
07:37 < mnemoc> rxr: 8428 and 8427 need your review
07:38 < mnemoc> rxr: and maybe 8426
07:48 < rxr> re
07:49 < rxr> mnemoc: I take a look in some seconds
07:49 < rxr> mnemoc: festerday we lobbied T2 to attendies of a Motorola / Freescale evening conference here in Berlin ...
07:50 < rxr> made soem valueable contacts e.g. to Motorola and Freescale itself .-)
07:50 < rxr> where Freescale is the semiconductor company slit off of Motorola
07:50 < mnemoc> oh
07:51 < CIA-9> amery * r8440 /trunk/scripts/config.in: 
07:51 < CIA-9> * improved Config to auto-remove invalid lines on pkgsel if -oldconfig
07:51 < CIA-9>  (instead of screaming about a missing ./src/rockdialog.bin)
07:51 < mnemoc> just speach or showing them the stuff?
07:53 < rxr> talking
07:54 < CIA-9> amery * r8441 /trunk/architecture/sh/pkg_linux26sh_post.conf: * adjusted copyright note on architecuture/sh
07:54 < mnemoc> why may they want T2?
07:56 < mnemoc> rxr: build feels faster... i'am at 5-exim of reference build in less than one day
07:58 < rxr> good
07:58 < rxr> how many regressions ?
07:59 < mnemoc> 0
07:59 < mnemoc> well 1-ash
07:59 < mnemoc> but that's a classic and it's disabled on my pkgsel
07:59 < rxr> good
07:59 < rxr> 1-ash is what problem?
08:00 < mnemoc> init.c is generated by a C program which dumps part of his memory on line 120
08:01 < rxr> ah yes - I saw that
08:01 < rxr> and we thought it would have been fixed with NOPARALLEL
08:01 < rxr> however it does not seem to be the case then ...
08:01 < rxr> strange thing
08:02 < CIA-9> rene * r8442 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.cache: * injected updated, denoised ooo.cache
08:04 < mnemoc> OT: we have to fix CopyPatch to preserve any Copyright (C) line.... jsaw has his own Copyright (C) lines on misc/target
08:05 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep in about 30 minutes.... branch before or after sleep?
08:06 < mnemoc> firs regression, spamassassin. perl segfaulting
08:06 < mnemoc> first*
08:06 < rxr> ouch
08:06 < rxr> is that known ?
08:06 < mnemoc> new
08:06 < rxr> we did not do any perl or spamassassin changes right?
08:06 < rxr> do you use ccache ?
08:06 < mnemoc> yep
08:07 < rxr> well - let's see how it continues
08:07 < rxr> is it your normal box?
08:07 < mnemoc> yes
08:07 < rxr> is my public key still in the autz key list sss
08:07 < rxr> ? even ...
08:07 < mnemoc> minute
08:08 < rxr> .oO (what was the hostname)
08:14 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.251] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
08:16 < CIA-9> rene * r8443 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/ (asymptote.cache asymptote.desc): * updated asymptote (0.72 -> 0.75)
08:36 < rxr> oh - you s/rockver/sdever/ - interesting
08:37 < rxr> that was a bit I feared to touch - but now it is there ,-)
08:37 < rxr> 8427 was for manual builds ...
08:38 < rxr> so tha dir should exist
08:38 < rxr> well - I take a look
08:39 < rxr> 8428 is good - but should be in download ..
08:39 < rxr> so tat Dowload linux24 also grabs them, right ?
08:39 < rxr> and Emerge or other place do not need to care ...
08:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8444 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
08:40 < CIA-9> * added blacklist of the most vitial non-auto-update packages to
08:40 < CIA-9>  Emerge-Pkg
08:46 < rxr> 1.2G    ccache-x86/
08:52 < mnemoc> finally
08:52 < mnemoc> my line felt
08:53 < rxr> mnemoc: oh
08:54 < CIA-9> rene * r8445 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: 
08:54 < CIA-9> * renabled the ccache loop symlink - and hopefully fixed it - test
08:54 < CIA-9>  in progress
08:54 < mnemoc> why do you need that?
08:54 < rxr> otherwise in chroot /TOOLS/build/ccache-* does not exist
08:55 < rxr> I wire it out via a symlink:
08:55 < rxr> /TOOLCHAIN/build/ccache-$arch -> ../loop/build/ccache-$arch or so
08:55 < mnemoc> why it exists here?
08:55 < rxr> the symlink ?
08:56 < rxr> build is a directory
08:56 < rxr> in the chroot
08:56 < mnemoc> .oO
08:56 < rxr> and only the config id is symlinked to ../..
08:57 < mnemoc> .oO
08:57 < rxr> and with this ccache code ccache-$arch is also wired out of the sandbox by ../loop/build/ccache-$ach
08:57 < rxr> arch even
08:57 < rxr> what do I misss ?
08:57 < mnemoc> i can't focus :\
08:57 < rxr> maybe because you are tired ?
08:58 < rxr> better go take a nap *g*
08:58 < rxr> so I have a refreshed mnemoc back soon ,-)
08:58 < mnemoc> :)
08:59 < mnemoc> ok... i'll go to sleep
08:59 < rxr> and I start a fresh desktop testbuild
08:59 < mnemoc> comments about Emerge change?
08:59 < rxr> sleep well ,-)
08:59 < mnemoc> (Downlaod)
08:59 < mnemoc> ok
08:59 < rxr> mnemoc: yes I already wrote: Nice change - but it should IMHO be in Download
08:59 < rxr> not in Emerge-Pkg
09:00 < rxr> I relocate it
09:00 < rxr> ok ?
09:00 < mnemoc> Download is config independent
09:00 < rxr> hm - no
09:00 < mnemoc> that 'improvement' depends on config
09:00 < rxr> -required also fetches config dependant
09:00 < mnemoc> only -required needs $config
09:00 < mnemoc> Downlaod $pkg is $config independent
09:01 < rxr> well - it will be then from now on
09:01 < mnemoc> or maybe Download -cfg $config -exts
09:01 < rxr> hm
09:01 < mnemoc> -exts looks ugly
09:01 < rxr> Download $pkg is used manually only anway, right?=
09:01 < rxr> normall you say -required anyways ...
09:01 < mnemoc> .oO
09:01 < rxr> so making it -cfg dependant is not that bad
09:02 < rxr> when I say Dowload linux26 because I want to test s.th. I would expect the needed stuff to be fetched
09:02 < rxr> and when one messes with Download manually, he/she will be aware that for the matching set of extending packages -cfg $cfg should be passed
09:02 < mnemoc> but Download doens't now if ill test it with config=default config=myneck
09:02 < mnemoc> +or
09:03 < rxr> what do you mean ?
09:04 < mnemoc> config=default has a set of extenders enabled
09:04 < mnemoc> config=myneck has another set of extenders enabled
09:04 < rxr> sure
09:04 < mnemoc> Download foo will download acording to default's extenders
09:04 < mnemoc> even if i'll test config=myneck
09:05 < rxr> and this is why one should always pass the correct -cfg to any scripts/ script - or just reliy on Download -cfg -required Build-Target to doo all the right things
09:05 < mnemoc> i think it's not ok to bind Download $pkg to a config
09:05 < rxr> why not? we want to download all that is needed for a package - that includes extenders
09:05 < mnemoc> .oO
09:05 < mnemoc> ok ok
09:05 < mnemoc> but, let make a deal
09:06 < rxr> and, thinkg we want more on demand fetching for smoothers builds later - ./scripta/Download -cfg $cfg $pkg should fetch them
09:06 < mnemoc> while i sleep you improve Emerge-Pkg to generate a pkgsel.system based on diffs between what is installed and what $config wants
09:07 < mnemoc> and if Config get and special argument it will include this pkgsel.system
09:07 < mnemoc> so we get pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf and parse-config working properly on Emerge
09:07 < rxr> ?
09:08 < mnemoc> if $pkg is not neabled on config/$config/packages $pkg/pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf and some stuff on parse-config wont work properly
09:08 < rxr> I think this gets far too far
09:09 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg is dangerous if $config and system are out of sync
09:09 < mnemoc> even more considering -deps=fast
09:09 < rxr> well you mean only in the case when you emerge s.th. that is not yet installed ... right?
09:10 < mnemoc> when you emerge something not enabled on $config which extends another thing you emerge
09:10 < rxr> well - I think this get's too complex and error prone
09:11 < mnemoc> ok
09:11 < rxr> let's face it - Emerge is to get some gui package to joe users easily
09:11 < rxr> those gui fluff like firefox or kde, gnome whatever does normally not mess with other packages
09:11 < mnemoc> it your system is similar to $config it works ok
09:11 < rxr> Emerge should not handly any corner case arising from Emerging security packages altering the whole system
09:11 < mnemoc> but it does evil things when it's far different, like mnemosyne :p
09:12 < rxr> for this designed targets should be used
09:12 < rxr> not Emerge selinnux to transform your system
09:12 < mnemoc> :)
09:12 < rxr> I think the last missing usability piece was your Download improvement which I think should live in Download
09:13 < mnemoc> ok
09:13 < rxr> if you think so I can use a -extenders argument to differentiate them
09:13 < mnemoc> na
09:13 < mnemoc> nah
09:13 < rxr> and I think this should also later be used for on-demand fetching for Build-Target so Build-Target can be used without a full Download -required or a parallel running one
09:13 < rxr> but this can be done in 2.2 ...
09:14 < rxr> mnemoc: so Download $pkg fetches all $config extenders by default ?
09:14 < mnemoc> of $pkg, yes
09:15 < mnemoc> e.g. Download linux26 will also download l7-filter and squashfs-tools for config(generic)
09:15 < rxr> ok
09:15 < rxr> I relocate it
09:15 < rxr> and improve dep tracking of Emerge slightly
09:16 < mnemoc> i hope i can branch in the (my) morning
09:16 < mnemoc> to let you do all the nasty things you want to do for 2.2 :)
09:17 < rxr> hehe - yep
09:21 < mnemoc> we may use pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf as reschedule criteria also
09:21 < valentin> moin
09:22 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
09:22 < valentin> mnemoc: still awake ? *g
09:24 < mnemoc> i planed to go to sleep 1:30 hours ago
09:25 < mnemoc> but my DSL died and i had to tell something to rene, so i started a freeciv while waiting
09:25 < mnemoc> i got DSL back, i told rene what i had to, but russians are attacking me
09:29 < valentin> hehe
09:29 < valentin> you win against freeciv AI ?
09:29 -!- _jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2
09:29 < valentin> my gf found it too hard
09:29 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru
09:29 < jeru> moin
09:30 < valentin> but i told her how to edit the save game and get some more money ,)
09:30 < valentin> moin jeru 
09:30 < jeru> Hi valentin 
09:30 < mnemoc> valentin: i have _never_ won :(
09:30 < jeru> uhm ... mnemoc ? :)
09:31 < rxr> hi valentin and jeru 
09:31 < valentin> mnemoc is a looser :(
09:31 < valentin> nope.
09:31 < rxr> valentin: nice to see you that early around
09:31 < jeru> Hi rxr
09:31 < valentin> early
09:31 < rxr> mnemoc: can we branch before you go to sleep
09:31 < rxr> we have gcc-4.0.0 for trunk ,-)
09:32  * rxr holding his ear so mnemoc can not grab it
09:32 < valentin> anyone done a more or less complete build ?
09:32 < mnemoc> uhm
09:33 < jeru> rxr: I guess mnemoc will search another part of your body if you hide your ears ;)
09:33 < mnemoc> :D
09:34 < rxr> valentin: nope - but I would like to - and start 2.2 work ...
09:34 < rxr> valentin: fedora / red hat already ships 4.0 built systems
09:34 < mnemoc> rxr: you will have to merge Emerge/Download relocation to 2.1
09:34 < rxr> 4.0.0-pre-snapshot that is
09:34 < rxr> mnemoc: go to bed - and I branch after I did the relocation
09:35 < mnemoc> rxr: sdever=2.1.0-rc1 please ;)
09:36 < mnemoc> rxr: but don't announce it... i need to remove some stuff 
09:38 < rxr> ok
09:38 < rxr> and now hush into bed !
09:39 < mnemoc> ok ok
09:39 < mnemoc> gn8
09:39 < mnemoc> :)
09:39 < jeru> good night mnemoc :)
09:40 < rxr> n8 mnemoc 
09:41 < valentin> gn8 mnemoc 
09:46 < jeru> rxr: what are the major facts regarding gcc4 ?
09:49 < jeru> hmmm...why do we have so much segfaults during the build of some packages ?
10:09 < rxr> jeru: new segfaults ?
10:10 < rxr> mnemoc also reported a perl related one
10:10 < rxr> are you using ccache ?
10:10 < rxr> jeru: gcc facts in a golem news in some seconds
10:11 < jeru> yes atm ... but I just asking regarding the segfaults because we had some during the last days while building a package. and now I see this perl related on mnemocs ref build, which brokes spamassasin
10:12 < rxr> I never got some
10:12 < rxr> since we did no major changes I can only imagine they are due to ccache miscompilatoin
10:13 < jeru> this could be the point ...
10:15 < rxr> hey the new ccache is so great:
10:15 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (42 hits, 0 misses)
10:15 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (1036 hits, 0 misses)
10:16 < rxr> for a from scratch desktop target rebuild ,-)
10:16 < rxr> I hope the segfaults are not due to ccache
10:17 < jeru> :)
10:17 < rxr> that 1036 hits dietlibc build was done ine exactly 2 minutes ...
10:17 < rxr> == 10:07:25 =[1]=> Building base/dietlibc [0.28 2.1.0-rc2].
10:17 < rxr> == 04/22/05 10:09:25 =[1]=> Finished building package dietlibc.
10:17 < rxr> == 10:09:27 =[1]=> Building archiver/gzip [1.3.5 2.1.0-rc2].
10:17 < rxr> == 04/22/05 10:09:43 =[1]=> Finished building package gzip.
10:18 < rxr> the age of rapid testing for t2 ,-)
10:28 < rxr> bibber - too cold over here ...
10:28 < rxr> despite the RS6k and Athlon heating the room
10:28 < rxr> I think I'll prepare a hot tea soon ...
10:28 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 97.98% (3879 hits, 80 misses)
10:29 < jeru> rxr: + a hot girl should help ;)
10:29 < rxr> == 04/22/05 10:30:00 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
10:29 < rxr> took 20 minutes
10:30 < rxr> jeru: I have a hot girl - I do not need another - and a hot girl would hinder me from hacking over the day ...
10:30 < jeru> hehe :)
10:50 < rxr> so - wonders of room heating with hot tea applied
11:15 < rxr> == 11:11:26 =[1]=> Building base/ncurses [5.4 2.1.0-rc2].
11:15 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (1563 hits, 0 misses)
11:15 < rxr> == 04/22/05 11:15:48 =[1]=> Finished building package ncurses.
11:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8446 /trunk/scripts/ (Download Emerge-Pkg): 
11:19 < CIA-9> * reverted r8428, and relocated the extendee download to
11:19 < CIA-9>  scripts/Download
11:21 < rxr> == 11:19:18 =[1]=> Building base/gettext [0.14.1 2.1.0-rc2].
11:21 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (431 hits, 0 misses)
11:21 < rxr> == 04/22/05 11:22:29 =[1]=> Finished building package gettext.
11:22 < rxr> I hope those segfatuls are not ccache related - the new implementation is soooo efficeont
11:22 < rxr> efficent even
11:24 < rxr> 1.2G    build/ccache-x86/
11:25 < jeru> rxr: how much will the current ccache reduce our build time ... approx. ?
11:28 < rxr> over 50% for rebuilds of mostly the same package set
11:28 < rxr> aprox. 60% I would say
11:28 < rxr> maybe up to 80 or so fox big C++ parts such as KDE
11:28 < rxr> s/fox/for
11:28 < rxr>  / 
11:29 < rxr> the most time consuming part is extacting the .bz2 files and the f*cking slow auto* crap
11:30 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0504/37662.html
11:36 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0501/35614.html
11:36 < rxr> ^- oh did not know that ...
11:37 < rxr> jeru: the problem with the current cache implementation is, it is so effectiev, .cache files of a reference build with it enabled will have quite wrong build times in the .cache
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12:20 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 41.80% cache hits so far.
12:21 < CIA-9> rene * r8447 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: 
12:21 < CIA-9> * really fixed ccache loopback symlinking - used an hidden internal
12:21 < CIA-9>  variable - found no pretty way
12:22 < CIA-9> rene * r8448 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: * removed debugging statements from the just comitted ccache fix - sigh
12:29 < CIA-9> rene * r8449 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: * removed verbose arg from ccache dir symlinking
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13:08 < CIA-9> rene * r8450 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.conf: 
13:08 < CIA-9> * removed trailing / from the glibc.conf XFG_ variable exported via
13:08 < CIA-9>  profile.d
13:09 < CIA-9> rene * r8451 /trunk/package/ (13 files in 4 dirs): 
13:09 < CIA-9> * moved hicolor-icon-theme and shared-mime-info back into the x11/
13:09 < CIA-9>  repositoriy (thought I committed this long ago ...)
13:21 < CIA-9> rene * r8452 /trunk/package/ (46 files in 18 dirs): 
13:21 < CIA-9> * converted the postlinux.conf stuff to be triggered from
13:21 < CIA-9>  pkg_linux*_post.conf files - so the extenders are automatically
13:21 < CIA-9>  downloaded and the "howto extend packages principle" is not violated
13:21 < CIA-9>  by the non-standard postlinux.conf
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14:01 < CIA-9> rene * r8453 /trunk/package/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
14:01 < CIA-9> * fixed mol and alsa postlinux.conf to not build the modules in stage 1
14:01 < CIA-9> * fixed acx100 to not install outside basedir in stage 1 postlinux.conf
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14:38 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org
14:38 < rxr> 104.32 MB <- last month
14:39 < rxr> 219.93 MB <- this month
14:39 < rxr> 170.45 MB <- february
14:39 < rxr> 16.38 MB <- january
14:41 < CIA-9> mtr * r8454 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (1.11.0 -> 1.12.0)
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14:42 < rxr> hi mtr 
14:43 < mtr> hi *
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14:45 < minto> Hummel Hummel
14:45 < mtr> rxr: what do you think about adding acroread-7.0 to the T2 Office Suite ?
14:46 < rxr> mtr: I do not care about binary only software - however feel free to add it ,-)
14:47 < mtr> is there an easy way to prevent files like INSTALL.TAR to be treated as documentation?
14:48 < mtr> acroread has some of those files, which should not go into the final package
14:48 < mtr> but build_this_package treats them as default documentation ...
14:49 < rxr> createdocs=0 in the package's .conf file
14:49 < rxr> hm - oh some are always copyied ...
14:49 < rxr> yeah - well
14:49 < mtr> createdocs=0 prevents only additonal docs to be copied
14:50 < rxr> either add:
14:50 < rxr>                         [ "${x#*.TAR*}"    ] || continue
14:50 < rxr> or so
14:50 < rxr> or we need a createnodocs variable ,-)
14:51 < mtr> removing them from flist is not the nice way, i guess ..., but - whould it work?
14:51 < rxr> yes - but you would have them lingering around in your system when you Emerge ... so
14:52 < CIA-9> rene * r8455 /trunk/package/network/acx100/ (configure.patch postlinux.conf): * fixed acx100 for linux26 cross builds
14:56 < mtr> rxr: what about : [ `file "$x" | grep "archive"` -eq 0 ] || continue  ?
15:00 < rxr> ouhm
15:00 < rxr> it is so seldom, I would rather prefix the above continue or createnodocs or so ...
15:01  * rxr shortly off ...
15:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8456 /trunk/package/network/hostap/postlinux.conf: * fixed hostap for linux26 cross builds
15:20 < rxr> but now I'm shortly off
15:25 < CIA-9> mtr * r8457 /trunk/scripts/functions: * prevent .TAR files from being copied as default documentation
15:30 < CIA-9> mtr * r8458 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * do full filename quoting for md5sum/cksum generation to allow even single quotes in filenames
15:33 < CIA-9> mtr * r8459 /trunk/package/office/acroread/ (. acroread.conf acroread.desc setup.diff): 
15:33 < CIA-9> * added acroread (7.0)
15:33 < CIA-9> * added PDF plugin to mozilla and firefox
15:36 < CIA-9> mtr * r8460 /trunk/package/office/aqbanking/ (aqbanking.conf aqbanking.desc): 
15:36 < CIA-9> * updated aqbanking (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9)
15:36 < CIA-9> * removed Qt/KDE based tools
15:37 < CIA-9> mtr * r8461 /trunk/package/office/aqhbci/ (aqhbci.conf aqhbci.desc): 
15:37 < CIA-9> * updated aqhbci (1.0.6 -> 1.0.7)
15:37 < CIA-9> * removed Qt based setup wizard
15:39 < CIA-9> mtr * r8462 /trunk/package/office/aqhbci-qt/ (. aqhbci-qt.desc): * added aqhbci-qt (1.0.5beta)
15:42 < CIA-9> mtr * r8463 /trunk/package/office/qbankmanager/ (. qbankmanager.desc): 
15:42 < CIA-9> * added qbankmanager (0.9.22) and other Qt based tools for aqbanking
15:42 < CIA-9> * added kbanking (0.9.9)
15:43 < mtr> so, all banking tools up2date, but this damn cardreader still does not work :(
15:46 < mtr> ooo -m95 is out
15:46  * mtr building ooo now
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15:49 < keinek> morning
15:49 < keinek> :)
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17:07 < mnemoc> mtr: we can only try m92, because ooo-builder-1.9.95 has not yet released, only .92 ;-)
17:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you like my changes ...
17:12 < mnemoc> i haven't reviewed postlinux.conf yet, but sounds like a good change
17:13 < mnemoc> why did you removed  -n of ccache/symlink?
17:13 < rxr> because I was stupid
17:13 < mnemoc> :)
17:13 < rxr> I readded it already locally - let me check if it works
17:13 < rxr> and I commit soon
17:17 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 98.02% (3968 hits, 80 misses)
17:17 < mnemoc> .oO( a href to http://svn.ec.de/diff.cgi?p=t2&r$rev would be confortable )o
17:18 < mnemoc> guile failed stupidly, but it's new
17:20 < CIA-9> rene * r8464 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
17:20 < CIA-9> * the next major Emerge-Pkg improvement round: only check for updates
17:20 < CIA-9>  on dependencies, so specified packages are always build, cleanup
17:20 < CIA-9>  status messages so unchanged packages do not fill the terminal,
17:20 < CIA-9>  always sort the final list of packages and removed the indirect deps
17:20 < CIA-9>  mode, since the awk code and the underlying dep_db.txt is too broken
17:21 < mnemoc> rxr: did you test gnucash with new gwenhywfar?
17:21 < rxr> nope - I don't use either
17:22 < mnemoc> err.... it was mtr
17:22 < mnemoc> sorry
17:23 < rxr> no problem
17:23 < rxr> mnemoc: there is gcc 4.0 out ,-)
17:23 < mnemoc> rxr: no on 2.1 please :)
17:23 < rxr> of course ont
17:23 < rxr> .oO(is my nick clifford ...)
17:23 < mnemoc> :p
17:23 < mnemoc> mtr: you forgot acroread checksum
17:24 < rxr> mnemoc: there are some ROCK_* left ...
17:24 < mnemoc> yes?
17:24 < rxr> yep - like ROCK_THIS_IS_CHROOT or so ..
17:24 < rxr> ,-)
17:24 < mnemoc> :)
17:25 < mnemoc> i can live with that ;)
17:25 < mnemoc> those are zero impact changes which can be done in future
17:25 < CIA-9> rene * r8465 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: * added -n back to the ccache-$arch symlink - sorry
17:26 < rxr> mnemoc: there is always the rist that you inject a typo or forget an instance
17:26 < mnemoc> true
17:26 < rxr> + that is is API - altough internal ...
17:26 < mnemoc> yes, i only saw "internal" part and forgot human-error
17:27 < rxr> someone should update gnome to 2.10.1 ...
17:27 < mnemoc> let's merge it to 2.1 after testing on trunk :)
17:28 < rxr> hehehe
17:28 < rxr> okok
17:29 < rxr> mnemoc: can you give the new Emerge(tm) a spin ?
17:30 < CIA-9> rene * r8466 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
17:30 < CIA-9> * fixed the new Emerge-Pkg to only inject updated packages for
17:30 < CIA-9>  -repository and fixed a tiny graphic glitch for long packages ,-)
17:34 < mnemoc> 5-fusionsound failed (new also)
17:35 < rxr> .oO
17:36 < mnemoc> Emerge still works :)
17:36 < rxr> and is way cooler this way ?
17:36 < mnemoc> feels better
17:37 < mnemoc> it seems we are finally supporting runtime updates, and that makes me happy
17:38 < rxr> all the work on the details really pays off
17:38 < mnemoc> *ACK*
17:38 < rxr> T2 current is such a polished SDE - it makes so much fun with this solid base ...
17:38 < mnemoc> good enough for motorola ;)
17:39 < mnemoc> i trust to see projects using it soon
17:40 < rxr> way better than current in-house hacks people use as base ... ,-)
17:42 < mnemoc> .oO( .gem )o
17:43 < rxr> you speak in "please remove soon" ?
17:43 < mnemoc> yep, it's absolutly senseless
17:43 < mnemoc> brb
17:44 < rxr> hehe
17:44 < rxr> it is the best package format created ever ,-
17:44 < rxr> )
17:44 < mnemoc> :)
17:52 < mnemoc> oh... i forgot etc/postinstall.d
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18:05 < jeru> re hi :)
18:05 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
18:06 < jeru> hi mnemoc ... alive again :)
18:07 < mnemoc> rxr: last Emerge usability improvement proposal, if [ "$config" = "default" -a ! -d config/$config -a -d /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ]; then cp /etc/ROCK-CONFIG config/$config; fi
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18:21 < rxr> ROCK-CONFIG -> SDE or T2-CONFIG ,-)
18:21 < mnemoc> that would make another compatibility module
18:22 < mnemoc> and ROCK-VERSION... which may affect 'mine'
18:23 < valentin>  
18:23 < rxr> hi
18:23 < valentin> hi
18:23 < mnemoc> hi avle
18:24 < minto> Hi valentin
18:24 < minto> mnemoc: Who's avle?? :-)
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18:26 < mnemoc> s/avle/valentin/
18:29 < minto> mnemoc: I think I prefer all java jre and jdk's and kaffe as well on /opt and reserve /opt/java for the alternative thing, where /opt/java refers to the selected java.
18:29 < mnemoc> uhm
18:30 < rxr> minto: we might likely need s.th. more mature in order to handle the print and mail system alternatives
18:30 < minto> I know the current java jre and jdk need to change for this.
18:30  * minto is right back, son dancing time again.
18:30 < mnemoc> but please, don't version /opt/ :)
18:34 < minto> ack, but what would be the best place to the versions.
18:35 < minto> Is /opt/java for the selected one a bad idea??
18:35 < mnemoc> i don't like that
18:35 < mnemoc> /opt/java is for java apps
18:35 < mnemoc> ant for example
18:35 < rxr> minto: we need s.th. to alternative random files anyway
18:36 < mnemoc> /usr/local/bin and $HOME/bin ?
18:36 < minto> rxr: both alternative system seem to be able to do that
18:36 < rxr> real    0m7.569s
18:36 < rxr> user    0m2.940s
18:36 < rxr> sys     0m1.489s
18:36 < mnemoc> i don't want to have 'alternative' symlinks all around the box
18:37 < rxr> mnemoc: we'll have to take a look
18:37 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you propose for alternatives ?
18:37 < mnemoc> <mnemoc> /usr/local/bin and $HOME/bin ?
18:37 < rxr> mnemoc: ???
18:37 < rxr> I do not call that a mature system
18:37 < rxr> $HOME/bin  is for personal fluff and /usr/local for nothing real - maybe for test stuff ...
18:37 < mnemoc> i call it clean
18:38 < CIA-9> rene * r8467 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
18:38 < CIA-9> * optimized and fixed Emerge-Pkg to not check packages a 2nd time and
18:38 < CIA-9>  thus also not add them a second time
18:38 < mnemoc> /usr/local/ is for runtime decitions
18:38 < rxr> nope - for locally installed software
18:39 < mnemoc> yes, as 'alternative' choices
18:39 < rxr> I don't think so ,-)
18:39 < rxr> for configure make make install
18:39 < mnemoc> yes, for them too
18:39 < rxr> ok - I better do not paste the time for the unoptimized Emerge ...
18:39 < mnemoc> stuff root decided to install
18:40 < rxr> .oO(tiny difference that is - well at least the package is not checked a second time ..)
18:40 < minto> The alternative system I looked at store all the sym links in /etc/alternative they even have reason for that.
18:40 < mnemoc> 8467 was on my TODO :)
18:40 < mnemoc> stinks
18:41 < minto> Why does it stink?
18:41 < rxr> my Emerge stinks of /etc symlinking ?
18:41 < mnemoc> having executables (even if they are symlinks) on /etc stinks
18:41 < minto> Mnemoc: the executable are not in /etc
18:41 < mnemoc> /usr/local/bin is always on top of $PATH
18:41 < minto> mayba you should hava a look at them
18:42 < rxr> I do not want any T2 system stuff in /usr/loca
18:42 < rxr> it is for locally installed software
18:42 < mnemoc> so you don't have the problem of /opt/alternativatejava/bin with more priority than /opt/java/bin
18:43 < mnemoc> alternatives are on T2 stuff, are root or luser stuff
18:43 < mnemoc> are not* T2 stuff
18:43 < mnemoc> arlternatives manager is T2 stuff
18:43 < mnemoc> imp
18:43 < mnemoc> imo*
18:44 < mnemoc> any other location may lead to extra hacks or $PATH problems
18:45 < mnemoc> minto: /etc would need to be in $PATH and that is amazingly ugly
18:45 < minto> mnemoc: for example /opt/java/jre --> /etc/alternatives/.... --> .../sun-jre-150/
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: ?no
18:46 < minto> the /etc is not in the path /opt/java/jre is (at least in the above example)
18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: no what?
18:46 < rxr> see minto symlink chain post
18:46 < mnemoc> i don't like it, but you have the last word
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm not in the position to decide this
18:47 < rxr> I think we'll not change anything for 2.1 and need to analyze further what is appropriated and clean for this
18:47 < mnemoc> ok
18:47 < minto> mnemoc: I think alternatives is administrator stuff an should be in T2.
18:48 < minto> I agree is should not be in 2.1
18:48 < mnemoc> administrator's choice are /etc and /usr/local    only
18:48 < mnemoc> choices*
18:48 < rxr> not /usr/local - that is for sure
18:48 < minto> that's why it is /etc/alternatives
18:49 < mnemoc> /etc is for config, not to be part of execuables symloink chain
18:50 < mnemoc> i have to take my girls to the doctor
18:50 < rxr> .oO
18:50 < minto> Is it any better yet? (with your girls)
18:50 < rxr> I wish you all much luck!
18:50 < minto> cu mnemoc
18:53 < minto> mnemoc: About the alternatives, maybe you should give the next link a quick glance. http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/man_pages/alternatives8.html
18:59 < rxr>  wxWidgets 2.6.0 (Stable)
19:13 < minto> Uhmm, rxr? In run into some problems.
19:13 < minto> I built mysql and try to build jabberd with mysql dependancy.
19:13 < minto> unfortunately jabberd configure can't find  mysql include files.
19:13 < minto> When I use $(pkgprefix includedir mysql) it gives /opt/mysql/include but the actual include files are in /opt/mysql/include/mysql :-(
19:15 < minto> The easy thing is to add mysql after the pkgprefix includedir, but is this also the right thing to do?
19:17 < rxr> yes I think do it for that package
19:17 < minto> I think the main cause is jabberd not use the -with-mysql configure flags.
19:34 < CIA-9> rene * r8468 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
19:34 < CIA-9> * reimplemented indirect dep mode for Emerge, using the same shell
19:34 < CIA-9>  code path and recursion. It only recurse into dependencies if the
19:34 < CIA-9>  actual note if outdated.
19:34 < CIA-9> * silenced grep "file does not exist" on .cache file grep
19:34 < CIA-9> * t2o tiny cleanup
19:34 < CIA-9> * removed ROCK copyright from Emerge, since I consider it rewritten
19:34 < rxr> oh - quite some typos in the message ...
19:38 < CIA-9> rene * r8469 /trunk/misc/archive/depfeedback.sh: * removed useless dep helper
19:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8470 /trunk/target/reference/build.sh: 
19:40 < CIA-9>  * removed dependency database creation from the reference target
19:40 < CIA-9> M reference/build.sh
19:42 < CIA-9> rene * r8471 /trunk/scripts/Create-DepDB: * removed DepDB creator script
19:42 < CIA-9> rene * r8472 /trunk/scripts/ (Check-Deps-2 Check-Deps-3): * removed Check-Dep-{2,3}, relying on this static dep_db.txt
19:43 < CIA-9> rene * r8473 /trunk/scripts/dep_db.txt: * removed the static, long not updated ugly dep_db.txt
19:46 < CIA-9> rene * r8474 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: 
19:46 < CIA-9> * added unfunctional message to Create-PkgQueue for the obsoleted
19:46 < CIA-9>  cluster build code - ripping it out would touch too much code. In
19:46 < CIA-9>  2.2. we'll decide if implementing it more solid has any value.
19:51 < CIA-9> rene * r8475 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * fixed Emerge-Pkg for package names containing a +
19:57 < CIA-9> rene * r8476 /branches/2.1/: * branched 2.1
20:01 < CIA-9> rene * r8477 /branches/2.1/scripts/parse-config: * reset the branch's version to -rc1 (was already at -rc2)
20:02 < CIA-9> rene * r8478 /branches/2.1/target/ (distcd/ livecd/): 
20:02 < CIA-9> * removed livecd and distcd from 2.1, since the former is quite
20:02 < CIA-9>  a NOP and the later under development
20:20 < minto> rxr: is it correct that flists have relative paths??
20:30 < rxr> no
20:30 < rxr> where how ?
20:36 < mnemoc> re
20:37 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
20:37 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
20:37 < rxr> the next bunch of changes done by me
20:37 < rxr> I hope you do not slap me ..
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: how are your girls ?
20:38 < CIA-9> rene * r8479 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * bumped trunk version to 2.2.0-alpha - mirror infrastructure set up
20:38 < mnemoc> i don't slap anyone
20:38 < mnemoc> they can't go to kinder garden in 5 weeks
20:40 < rxr> hm - but they will be healthy soon again ?
20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm shortly off into an austrailian pub grabbing a beer
20:41 < rxr> if you have 2.2 mirros up please notify me - I'll inject them into the 2.2 mirror list then
20:41 < mnemoc> i want to use full version
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: full version what ?
20:42 < mnemoc> on mirrors
20:42 < mnemoc> having it fine graned i can safely remove unneeded files
20:43 < mnemoc> and hardlinks keep it small
20:44 < mnemoc> about 2.2-alpha, we have code for -DEV on scripts
20:44 < rxr> ouhm
20:44 < rxr> do we relly need that
20:44 < rxr> maybe rm -rf -DEV code ...
20:44 < rxr> KISS ...
20:45 < rxr> ok mnemoc /me off for a beer with susan ..
20:45 < rxr> cu all
20:45 < mnemoc> cu
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20:53 < jeru> cu rxr
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22:26 < minto> rxr: relative paths at least in glibc and perl
22:26 < minto> ... snip ...
22:26 < minto> perl: usr/bin/a2p
22:26 < minto> ... snap ...
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22:29 < mnemoc> jeru: i miss a 'preview' before saving
22:29 < mnemoc> jeru: what 'guide' do you recomend for /structured text/ ?
22:30 < jeru> ohh!!! perhaps there is a product for it
22:30 < jeru> hmmm ... I would like to use ReST for most content
22:31 < jeru> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html
22:31 < mnemoc> *click*
22:32 < mnemoc> so remove stx :)
22:32 < jeru> go an look at the www2 for tiny examples too ;)
22:32 < jeru> and
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22:32 < sepp> huhu
22:32 < jeru> hi sepp ... good to see you ... we'll need a logo :)
22:33 < sepp> hehe i started to make one with wings3d today :)
22:33 < jeru> yippi :)
22:34 < sepp> after wasting 1h trying to find the problems in erlang wings :(
22:34 < mnemoc> i can't see the source of Home :(
22:34 < jeru> https://www2.t2-project.org <- we'll build a new site with plone ... finally 
22:35 < jeru> mnemoc: ?
22:35 < jeru> mnemoc: and now ?
22:36 < mnemoc> view and history only
22:36 < sepp> can i still commit as usual? after the branch ... 
22:36 < mnemoc> can you create a group and join jeru and other there instead of working as 'root'?
22:37 < mnemoc> sepp: on trunk, yes
22:37 < sepp> ok thanks
22:38 < jeru> mnemoc: you don't see the default "Home" page ?
22:39 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8481 /trunk/package/graphic/esdl/ (. esdl.desc make.patch): * added esdl (0.94.1025)
22:39 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8480 /trunk/package/develop/erlang-otp/ (. erlang-otp.conf erlang-otp.desc): * added erlang-otp (R10B-4)
22:40 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8482 /trunk/package/graphic/wings3d/ (. wings.patch wings3d wings3d.conf wings3d.desc): * added wings3d (0.98.26b)
22:40 < mnemoc> jeru: i do see it, but only 'view' and 'history'
22:41 < jeru> mnemoc: hmmm ... but we're in the same group
22:41 < jeru> mom
22:42 < mnemoc> you are manager, not jeru
22:42 < jeru> I'm looged in as chris
22:46 < jeru> mnemoc: please try again
22:46 < mnemoc> works :)
22:47 < jeru> mnemoc: you're now in the webmaster group
22:47 < jeru> so you have manager rights ,)
22:48 < mnemoc> :\
22:48 < mnemoc> i prefer wikis :(
22:48 < mnemoc> "Text Format" is not preserved
22:49 < jeru> mnemoc: too complicated ?
22:51 < jeru> are there Wikis with i18n support around ? ;)
22:51 < mnemoc> "Text Format" is not preserved <-- bug
22:52 < jeru> you mean content type ... ahh! that's right! will look for a solution
22:52 < mnemoc> on my home i wrote a 'news item'
22:52 < jeru> hehe :)
22:52 < mnemoc> but it looks damn ugly
22:53 < jeru> :(
22:53 < mnemoc> what is wrong to source?
22:53 < mnemoc> s/to/on/
22:55 < mnemoc> having to save to see how it looks sucks
22:55 < jeru> mnemoc: the style your news is displayed, can be changed ... this is default plone, and we all agree that we've to change the look and feel
22:56 < mnemoc> i want svn co thing on a box like you did on Download
22:57 < jeru> Blah:: text in the box
22:57 < jeru> or you can use 
22:58 < jeru> Blah::
22:58 < jeru>   Text
22:58 < jeru>   in
22:58 < jeru>   the
22:58 < jeru>   box
22:58 < mnemoc> this rst is damn complex
22:59 < mnemoc> you should see tikisyntax
23:00 < mnemoc> look, it doesn't work
23:00 < jeru> mnemoc: ok ... that's a point but ReSt can be used for other purposes too.
23:00 < jeru> what
23:00 < mnemoc> Checkout::
23:01 < jeru> look
23:03 < mnemoc> .oO
23:03 < mnemoc> and the box?
23:04 < jeru> now again
23:04 < jeru> your description was  redundant
23:05 < jeru> and you
23:05 < jeru> have to translate it ;)
23:06 < mnemoc> i need to learn to write first
23:07 < jeru> cool down ... :)
23:07 < mnemoc> ok, an space after ::
23:18 < jeru> mnemoc: we'll need this help center product too
23:22 < mnemoc> there are other formating products?
23:22 < jeru> I mean for Documentation 
23:22 < jeru> http://plone.org/documentation/helpcenter_view <- like this
23:24 < jeru> mnemoc: -> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/plone-software-center/phc/view?searchterm=help%20center
23:24 < mnemoc> i don't find that intuitive
23:26 < sepp> are you working on a wiki, cms <insert buzzwords here> for the t2 site?
23:26 < jeru> don't think about the layout for now please ;)
23:26 < jeru> sepp: ack
23:27 < jeru> sepp: that's why we neddd a logo ;)
23:27 < jeru> need
23:27 < sepp> yes i will waste some time this weekend :)
23:28 < sepp> how small should the logo be>
23:28 < sepp> ?
23:28 < jeru> sepp: you mean the size ?
23:29 < jeru> hmmm ... 
23:29 < sepp> yes, pixel ...
23:29 < sepp> that is very important for the idea i have
23:30 < jeru> sepp: https://www2.t2-project.org/ <- there is the plone logo ... grab it and get the size ;)
23:30 < jeru> but you can also use a different size ...
23:31 < sepp> that is 64x64?
23:31 < sepp> the circle plone thing
23:31 < mnemoc> doesn't plone adapt to images available?
23:32 < jeru> mnemoc:  ?
23:33 < jeru> sepp: but you can also create a bigger logo 
23:33 < jeru> the site layout will be changed too
23:34 < jeru> what colors do we prefer ?
23:34 < sepp> ok, i hope as always i get an idea while i sleep
23:34 < sepp> for websites?
23:34 < jeru> yep
23:34 < jeru> should fit regarding  the logo too
23:35 < sepp> dark (black/grey) with light grey fonts
23:35 < sepp> that makes reading easier
23:36 < jeru> sepp: ack ... for the most console junkies it's nice ;)
23:36 < mnemoc> my news item was published
23:36 < jeru> oh
23:37 < sepp> as long as the bg is not white ...
23:37 < jeru> sepp: we'll bur your eyes with yellow bg ;)
23:37 < jeru> burn
23:37 < sepp> hehe
23:37 < sepp> and pink fonts
23:38 < jeru> sepp: as you say
23:38 < jeru> and an animated logo too
23:38 < sepp> and and <blink>
23:38 < jeru> of course
23:39 < jeru> a blinking mutant playing guitar 
23:39 < sepp> and flash / java / jscript / popups - all the nice things
23:39  * jeru hides
23:39 < jeru> mnemoc: how about you... any colors prefered ?
23:40 < mnemoc> blue and gray
23:41 < sepp> 23/42/5 ?
23:41 < jeru> r/g/b ?
23:42 < sepp> yes
23:42 < sepp> dark green
23:42 < jeru> thats an ugly green
23:42 < sepp> yes
23:43 < sepp> 888888 ?
23:44 < sepp> its not so bright and not very dark
23:44 < jeru> bg?
23:44 < sepp> yes
23:44  * mnemoc speaks many technical languages and protocols, but RGB is not something i can decrypt in my mind
23:45 < jeru> red green blue
23:45 < mnemoc> sure, but i don't see 23/42/5 as a color
23:46 < sepp> you never played with water colours in school?
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23:46 < PeskyGee> Hey all 
23:47 < jeru> Hi PeskyGee 
23:48 < PeskyGee> just did a ./scripts/Build-Pkg xchat but I don't see it installed and can't launch whats up? 
23:48 < mnemoc> sepp: i guess yes, but i don't remember
23:49 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: use Emerge-Pkg instead of Build-Pkg
23:49 < mnemoc> mine -l pkackage_name    will list you the files
23:49 < PeskyGee> I did a reinstall of T2 today  :-) I did a kernel compile with nvidia last night and FUBAR big time. SO I thought after all the other things might as well start over 
23:49 < PeskyGee> mnemoc: Whats up  :-)
23:50 < mnemoc> kernel compile o kernel emerge?
23:50 < PeskyGee> your headache go away  :-) oooh wait a second its back  :-) 
23:50 < PeskyGee> heheh emerge 
23:50 < mnemoc> hehe
23:50 < mnemoc> nah
23:50 < mnemoc> my headache is not related to T2
23:50 < PeskyGee> I did a complete re-install
23:51 < mnemoc> nss problem is gone?
23:51 < PeskyGee> I haven't tried a user account yet. 
23:51 < mnemoc> id root ?
23:52 < jeru> sepp: what font color should we use while using 888888 as bg ?
23:52 < PeskyGee> I'm root right now  :-( don't like to but 
23:52 < jeru> sepp: I mean for the content
23:52 < sepp> jeru: let me try some things
23:52 < mnemoc> jeru: there is an abandoned i18nfolder on navigation tree
23:52 < PeskyGee> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
23:53 < jeru> mnemoc: will delete it
23:53 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: at least nss is not completely broken
23:53 < PeskyGee> doesn't appear to be 
23:54 < jeru> mnemoc: I will install CollectorNG that we can tweak for bug/feature ... tracking
23:54 < mnemoc> jeru: can i make relative href links?
23:54 < mnemoc> jeru: a per-document forum is a nice thing also
23:54 < jeru> oh! I think yes ... mom
23:55 < PeskyGee> ok I did a Emerge-Pkg xchat and it built but does not appear to have installed ?
23:55 < PeskyGee> mnemoc: What was your procedure that you use to create a users again please?
23:55 < mnemoc> useradd foo
23:55 < mnemoc> mkdir /home/foo
23:56 < mnemoc> chown foo:users /home/foo
23:56 < mnemoc> passwd foo
23:56 < mnemoc> id foo
23:56 < PeskyGee> will try now. 
23:58 < PeskyGee> uid=1000(foo) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
23:58 < sepp> jeru: bg a1a1a1 / fonts 000000 ?
23:58 < mnemoc> :D
23:58 < PeskyGee> brb gonna try to login  :-) 
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