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01:54 < mnemoc> rehi
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06:31 < rxr> re
07:36 < valentin> moin
07:38 < rxr> moi
07:38 < rxr> n
07:46 < rxr> valentin: can I call?
07:47 < valentin> mom
07:48 < valentin> are you at home ?
07:48 < rxr> sure
07:49 < valentin> i call you in a minute
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09:50 < CIA-9> rene * r8355 /trunk/package/office/ooo/system-mozilla.patch: 
09:50 < CIA-9> * updated the ooo/system-mozilla.patch to actually be effective - test
09:50 < CIA-9>  build continuing right now (after breaking after 7 hours of building)
09:50 < rxr> re
09:50 < rxr> Successful packaging process!
10:07 < rxr> Packaging succeeded
10:14 < rxr> 1.7G    fl_wrapper.rlog
10:14 < rxr> 74M     fl_wrapper.wlog
10:32 < CIA-9> rene * r8356 /trunk/package/office/ooo/install.patch: * fixed ooo to install without DESTDIR based packaging marks - juck
10:54 < CIA-9> rene * r8357 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
10:54 < CIA-9> * improved the fl_wrapper to strip away access inside the
10:54 < CIA-9>  FLWRAPPER_BASE marked area, to significantly reduce the log
10:54 < CIA-9>  size and reduce post processing time
10:59 < rxr> real    2m56.464s
10:59 < rxr> user    1m47.556s
10:59 < rxr> sys     0m40.914s
11:05 < rxr> user    1m47.780s
11:05 < rxr> well for s.th. as tiny as a xmms build this can be noise ...
11:05 < rxr> first is with HEAD the later without r8357
11:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8358 /trunk/package/games/freeciv/ (freeciv.cache freeciv.desc): * updated freeciv (1.14.2 -> 2.0.0)
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11:23 < jeru> moin 
11:23 < rxr> hi
11:24 < jeru> hi rxr 
11:31 < rxr> hm
11:31 < rxr> I think find has a bug with the -o predicate
11:39 < rxr> when there was one thing I did not plan today then it was debugging find (again)
11:40 < jeru> :/
11:42 < jeru> rxr: btw should I commit the the grsecurity stuff, that we can fix the kernel options issue step by step ?
11:46 < jeru> rxr: don't worry, I don't want to cross your plans for today, but I think with some little hints from mnemoc, who's also interested in having grsec, I'll get grsec properly working soon ;)
11:51 < rxr> does contain grsecurity the squashfs changes from the list ?
11:51 < rxr> however I can also look on that soon 
11:51 < rxr> (as soon as I get the rebuild toos fixed and my fl_wrapper changes a bit more tested ...
11:52 < jeru> rxr: I have not compiled grsec + squashfs together in one kernel for now.
11:53 < jeru> rxr: but it would be interesting for embedded security boxes to get both working ;)
11:56 < rxr> ok - the commit the grsec stuff if it will not render the default generic build unbuildable ...
12:01 < jeru> ok
12:02 < rxr> the -o "or" predicate of find is doing random crap 
12:02 < rxr> but not or ...
12:03 < rxr> maybe bitwise OR was patented ...
12:03 < rxr> or /me is too dump to understand what find is don'g
12:05 < rxr> hm
12:05 < rxr> now - when I move the -or'ed part to another place a totally unrelated pattern of files is lost 
12:12 < jeru> rxr: this isn't looking good ->
12:12 < jeru> Building tools in build/.../TOOLCHAIN/tools.native:
12:12 < jeru> -> Building tools.native/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
12:12 < jeru> In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:333,
12:12 < jeru>                  from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:30,
12:12 < jeru>                  from misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c:45:
12:12 < jeru> /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28:29: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or directory
12:12 < jeru> In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36,
12:12 < jeru>                  from misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c:48:
12:12 < jeru> /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25:26: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory
12:12 < rxr> ouhm ?
12:12 < rxr> did you mess up your system header files ?
12:12 < rxr> it's building all fine here ...
12:13 < jeru> I think I've screwed up the headers localy ...
12:13 < rxr> what is your linux/errno.h and asm/... ?
12:13 < rxr> yeah ...
12:13 < rxr> looks so
12:13 < jeru> what can I do ?
12:13 < jeru> to correct the beast ?
12:14 < rxr> well - since the wrapper is not functional then ...
12:14 < rxr> do you have a linux header .gem file handy ?
12:14 < rxr> from a previous build ?
12:14 < rxr> otherwise untar linux and inject include/linux and include/asm into /usr/include/linux IIRC manually ...
12:17 < jeru> I've a linux-header tbz2 
12:18 < rxr> from a previous build? then untar it in /
12:19 < rxr> (if it is from the same arch ,-)
12:19 < jeru> yep 
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12:23 < PeskyGee> HOw do I change the flkst creator please? I get an error on compile about it for gcc it appears?
12:24 < PeskyGee> flist I mean sorry
12:24 < rxr> in the Config
12:24 < rxr> ./scripts/Config 
12:24 < PeskyGee> aaaa ok thanks 
12:24 < rxr> and then enable the expert options ...
12:24 < PeskyGee> aah yep gotcha thanks  :-)
12:24 < rxr> please don't s.th. else than the preload library for production use ...
12:25 < rxr> strace is slow and find unsafe ...
12:25 < rxr> PeskyGee: I guess you get warnings about app register in use and so on on sparc ?
12:26 < PeskyGee> on i686 it tells me Problem w/ flist wrapper lib on system. 
12:27 < rxr> .oO ?
12:27 < rxr> on i686 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
12:27 < rxr> what distribution is this ?
12:27 < PeskyGee> don't see where to change that in expert? any ideas please 
12:27 < PeskyGee> Arch Linux 
12:30 < rxr> hm - it should be near to impossible to create a system that strange to make the flist wrapper fail on x86 ...
12:30 < rxr> what glibc and gcc is in use there ?
12:30 < CIA-9> rene * r8359 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
12:30 < CIA-9> * implemented dynamic creation of the fl_wrapper.c (having this preprocessed
12:30 < CIA-9>  file lingering around is error prone)
12:30 < CIA-9> * work arounded find -o (OR) predicate bugs and/or annoyances by changing
12:30 < CIA-9>  the evaluation order and predicate transformations (...) - the tools should
12:30 < CIA-9>  now be rebuild more reliable, again
12:30 < rxr> PeskyGee: what T2 version do you use? T2 trunk checkout ?
12:30 < PeskyGee> I SVN'ed it yesterday 
12:30 < rxr> hm
12:31 < rxr> and what glibc / gcc is over there ?
12:32 < PeskyGee> gcc 3.4.3-2 , glibc 2.3.4-2
12:32 < PeskyGee> brb, thanks for the assist 
12:34 < rxr> hm - strange - that looks normal ...
12:35 < rxr> PeskyGee: I'm quite busy - otherwise I would for ssh access to debug this problem ...
12:35 < rxr> PeskyGee: how good are your programming skills ?
12:36 < rxr> btw the option to change the flist detection is near the buttom labelled
12:36 < rxr> "Flist detection technique"
12:44 < jeru> rxr: grsec applies with squashfs patch on 2.6 too
12:45 < PeskyGee> back 
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12:45 < PeskyGee> not very good of fa programmer sorry to say
12:47 < PeskyGee> keep getting /dev/null permission denied 
12:50 < rxr> when dop you get /dev/null permission denied ?
12:51 < PeskyGee> trying to compile binutils
12:52 < PeskyGee> ./scripts/Build-Tools: line 59: /dev/null: Permission denied
12:52 < rxr> you should never get s.th. like that ...
12:53 < rxr> do you have /dev/null at all ?
12:53 < rxr> I mean anyone should always be allowed to write into /dev/null ...
12:53 < rxr> not having dev null - is - wel - is like not being alife or so at all and a grave bug 
12:53 < PeskyGee> yes I have a /dev/null
12:53 < PeskyGee> strange
12:54 < rxr> and what are the permissions of it ?
12:54 < rxr> btw. do you build T2 as root or normal user ?
12:54 < PeskyGee> root
12:54 < rxr> well tan this perm denied is even more strange ...
12:54 < rxr> then even ...
12:55 < rxr> did someting of T2 built already ?
12:55 < PeskyGee> crw-rw-rw-   1 root root      1,   3 2005-04-18 16:11 null
12:55 < rxr> is this e.g. a stage2 package that is beeing build ?
12:55 < PeskyGee> yes I believe much of it has compiled already 
12:56 < rxr> can you say what stage / package combination is the system tring to build?
12:56 < rxr> like 5-binutils or so ?
12:56 < PeskyGee> == 06:56:57 =[2]=> Building base/binutils [2.15.94.0.2.2 2.1.0-rc2]
12:57 < rxr> ah - so it is already in the chroot ...
12:57 < PeskyGee> == 04/19/05 06:57:15 =[2]=> Aborted building package binutils
12:57 < rxr> what is in build/$cfgid-.../dev/null ?
12:59 < PeskyGee> !> configure: error: can not run ../config.sub
12:59 < PeskyGee> !> Due to previous errors, no 2-binutils.log file!
13:01 < PeskyGee>  what is in build/$cfgid-.../dev/null WHere is this at please?
13:04 < PeskyGee> !> configure: error: can not run ../config.sub
13:08 < PeskyGee> sh&t time up I have to get my butt to work. Thanks for your help. Have a good day  :-) Cya 
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13:10 < rxr> would have been nice to know what's up with bulid/.../dev/null ...
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13:15 < jeru> re
13:18 < rxr> hi
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13:36 < jsaw_> rxr: I had also problem with /dev/null while building desktop target. I thought it was due to tinkering around a bit. The problem was that build..dev/null was a normal file and not a char dev...
13:49 < rxr> hm
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14:03 < keinek> hi
14:04 < rxr> hi
14:06 < keinek> hi rxr, gimp is working?
14:06 < rxr> of course ...
14:07 < keinek> ok, now i was svn up and after emerge it ;)
14:08 < keinek> Mmmm  you add something like dep?
14:09 < keinek> when emerge gimp start download pkgconfig
14:09 < rxr> yes - it was there before - but now Emerge improved a lot and it is the default ...
14:09 < rxr> there should be notes above why what is built
14:09 < keinek> i like this changes :)
14:11 < rxr> ,-)
14:12 < keinek> congratulation rxr, now emerge is like APT-GET 
14:12 < keinek> but
14:12 < keinek> when you remove something, emerge remove the deps?
14:12 < keinek> of course, the deps that dont use another program.
14:12 < rxr> not yet
14:12 < keinek> ok.
14:13 < rxr> for uninstall mine is currently used btw. mine -r what-you-want-to-remove
14:15 < keinek> thanks rxr
14:15 < rxr> (mine will disappear in 2.2 ...)
14:15 < rxr> (and this all become even more cleaned up and easier)
14:16 < keinek> and what is the remplace?
14:16 < rxr> the packages will become normal tarballs again
14:16 < rxr> so you can install them by just untarring them ...
14:17 < keinek> bye bye to gem?
14:17 < rxr> the normal install/uninstall will be integrated in the normal build scripts in some way - so you only have one "program" for binary and source install
14:17 < rxr> keinek: yes - gem was a bad choice ...
14:17 < rxr> or invetion or whatever
14:17 < keinek> :)
14:18 < keinek> sound good
14:18 < keinek> tell me when is a good moment to rebuild my system :)
14:18 < rxr> well - mine removal is still some weeks away
14:19 < keinek> i really like this new emerge default.
14:20 < keinek> :)
14:20 < keinek> never more problems with deps.
14:20 < rxr> yep - in 2.2 dep problems will get less and less every day
14:21 < keinek> the problems of deps en the targets, it solve with this change?
14:21 < keinek> ex: meaby i forgot some dep for any package that i add.
14:22 < rxr> not yet - but this will also get easier in 2.2 - that is what I meant they will reduce when we continue restructuring in 2.2 ...
14:22 < keinek> ok
14:22 < rxr> you will then in your target define that you want e.g. gimp and the system will add all the deps for it ..
14:22 < rxr> reducing messing with such static lists
14:27 < keinek> i will back soon, one cd exploit in my dvd writer :S
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14:29 < rxr> exploit ?
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14:45 < keinek> hi again
14:46 < keinek> the dvdrw is ok.
14:46 < rxr> a CD "exploded" ?
14:46 < keinek> a CD of Beatles 
14:46 < keinek> but that cd was broken
14:46 < keinek> only a little part of cd.
14:46 < jeru> rxr: now I've the same problem as in mnemoc's ref build regarding snort :/
14:46 < rxr> ah
14:46 < keinek> but this part was inther.
14:47 < keinek> inthere*
14:47 < jeru> /TOOLCHAIN/src.snort.1113914162.27159.0/snort-2.3.2/missing: line 46: automake-1.7: command not
14:47 < jeru>  found
14:47 < jeru> WARNING: `automake-1.7' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your
14:47 < jeru>          system.  You might have modified some files without having the
14:47 < jeru>          proper tools for further handling them.  Check the `README' file,
14:47 < jeru>          it often tells you about the needed prerequirements for installing
14:47 < jeru>          this package.  You may also peek at any GNU archive site, in case
14:47 < jeru>          some other package would contain this missing `automake-1.7' program.
14:47 < jeru> make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1
14:48 < rxr> jeru: maybe it hs s.th. todo whta I made the autogen.sh run automatically in some situations ...
14:49 < jeru> ack ... I'll try to add autoconf in preconf 
14:49 < rxr> jeru: what is the actual problem=
14:49 < rxr> ? even
14:49 < rxr> that some autogen is run ?
14:50 < jeru> no
14:50 < rxr> do you run autoconf already in your package conf ?
14:50 < jeru> nope
14:50 < jeru> I think aclocal-1.7 command is hard wired somewhere
14:51 < jeru> and we've aclocal-1.9
14:52 < rxr> user    1m51.652s
14:53 < rxr> hm - slower now
14:53 < rxr> but I doubt it is due to my wrapper changes
14:53 < jeru> rxr: what can I do to circumvent this ?
14:55 < rxr> when you define "this" I might be able to help you ,-)
14:55 < rxr> the "this" 4 lines above ?
14:55 < rxr> patch -1.7 away, make a symlink in the $PWD and add it to the PATH
14:56 < rxr> or or or ...
14:57 < jeru> rxr: I already tried to solve the problem by linking aclocal -> aclocal-1.7 
14:57 < jeru> but it doesn't work
14:57 < rxr> it might grep for the version string ...
14:57 < rxr> I do not hae your autogen whatever code ... ,_)
14:59 < rxr> I wonder if I should also strip /tmp directly in the wrapper
14:59 < jeru> rxr: I'll further examining the problem ...
14:59 < rxr> that would make increase the processing efficency further ...
15:01 < rxr> s/make/
15:01 < rxr>  /
15:02 < rxr> the xmms build alone has 1963 /tmp entries in the flist before postprocessing
15:02 < rxr> and we strip "parse" the file with grep and awk and such ...
15:02 < rxr> well ok - for xmms grepping is of course only
15:02 < rxr> user    0m0.009s
15:03 < rxr> but maybe it would reduce the time for OOO by minutes ++ ...
15:04 < keinek> rxr; Open office is working? :)
15:05 < keinek> i must be in the maillist right? 
15:05 < keinek> :D
15:07 < rxr> yes - you should subsribe to the list ,-)
15:09 < jeru> rxr: snort + prelude patch builds manually ... so chance are quite hight that it doesn't build due to your wrapper changes ?
15:10 < rxr> nope ?
15:20 < rxr> 2776 fl_wrapper.wlog
15:20 < rxr>  /tmp so far:
15:20 < rxr> 2775
15:20 < rxr> ...
15:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8360 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: 
15:26 < CIA-9> * fixed the flist wrapper BASEDIR filtering to take the absoluete path
15:26 < CIA-9> * rearranged the code slightly to generate the absolute path quite
15:26 < CIA-9>  early on
15:26 < CIA-9> * moved the {w,r}log decision further up
15:37 < mnemoc> moin
15:38 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
15:38 < rxr> I hope you do not pull my ears due to flist wrapper changes ...
15:39 < rxr> but AFAICS ooo should fully buld now
15:43 < jeru> hey mnemoc :)
15:44 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
15:44 < mnemoc> rxr: i hope mr. core architect is not injecting evil changes before rc1
15:46 < valentin> hi mnemoc, rxr, jeru, keinek, ....
15:46 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
15:46 < jeru> hi valentin :)
15:47 < valentin> mnemoc: what about that sed s/ROCK_CFG/SDECFG/g one ?
15:47 < rxr> valentin: ack - plesae commit ,-)
15:47 < mnemoc> i would like to have a compatibility module on scritps/Config _before_!
15:48 < rxr> .oO(compatibility module ?)
15:48 < mnemoc> to convert ROCK_CFG into SDECFG after reading config file
15:48 < rxr> mnemoc: do you agree it is save to strip /tmp/
15:48 < rxr> * in the flist wrapper?
15:48 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
15:48 < rxr> we would reduce the noise in the the log by magnitudes ...
15:48 < rxr> mnemoc: yes to /tmp ?
15:49 < mnemoc> yes to _ignored_ /tmp on flist wrapper
15:52 < valentin> vote against that
15:52 < valentin> i would say we should ignore /tmp/*
15:52 < valentin> not the tmp dir itself
15:52 < mnemoc> /tmp can be injected
15:54 < rxr> I implement to strcmp /tmp/ shus /tmp should be in the list
15:56 < keinek> hi valentin
15:56 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
15:56 < keinek> hi mnemoc 
15:57 < valentin> mnemoc: that compatiblity module would be easier to implement while reading the config file
15:58 < valentin> just pipe that file through sed first before parsing anything
15:58 < mnemoc> valentin: yep, easy but we can't kill users' configs
16:00 < valentin> why ? you do not kill anything
16:00 < valentin> i just mean sth like substituting all
16:00 < valentin> cat $cfgfile | so_sth
16:00 < valentin> by
16:00 < valentin> cat $cfgfile | sed .... | so_sth
16:01 < mnemoc> yes, if we add the 'compatibility mode' we wont kill anything
16:01 < valentin> so nothing is changed in the file
16:01  * jeru is moving home now ... cu later *
16:01 < mnemoc> that's why i mention it
16:01 < mnemoc> jeru: cu
16:01 < valentin> mnemoc: ok, we will get trouble with the '.' operator
16:01 < mnemoc> uhm?
16:01 < valentin> i think the config varialbe dumps are just .ted in so all vars are set ?
16:02 < valentin> . file
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16:02 < mnemoc> grep -q 'ROCK_CFG' config/$config/config && sed -i 's,ROCK_CFG,SDECFG,g' config/$config/config right before sourcing it the first time
16:04 < rxr> ,-)
16:08 < valentin> mnemoc: but then you will kill the config
16:11 < mnemoc> uhm? why?
16:23 < valentin> because the sed -i
16:23 < valentin> i just thought killing = altering the file
16:23 < mnemoc> no no
16:23 < valentin> whatever you mean
16:24 < valentin> ok :)
16:28 < valentin> someone installed tetex 3 ?
16:28 < rxr> sure
16:28 < valentin> i have some 2.x version, but something with the cashing is broken
16:29 < valentin> that was not like that before beta3
16:35 < rxr> works ehre
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16:44 < rxr_> CVS 1.11.20 
16:44 < rxr_> update anyone ?
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16:52 < CIA-9> rene * r8362 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: 
16:52 < CIA-9> * oops - committed the last /tmp/ fl_wrapper.c.sh change without
16:52 < CIA-9>  reversing a debug printout #ifdef
16:54 < mnemoc_> :\
16:54  * mnemoc_ hate to update CVS... their CMS centric style is discusting
17:14 < mnemoc_> yahoo! transformer arrived
17:16 < rxr_> mnemoc_: ,-)!
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17:21 < jeru> re hi
17:22 < mnemoc_> hi jeru 
17:23 < jeru> hi mnemoc_  :)
17:24 < jeru> mnemoc_: regarding vserver + grsec the link you send some days ago isn't valid anymore :(
17:25 < mnemoc_> jeru: :(
17:25 < jeru> mnemoc_: and I asked on #vserver channel for it but bacame no reply
17:25 < mnemoc_> send a mail
17:25 < jeru> ok ...
17:26 < jeru> mnemoc_: do you have an idea how we can try to solve the snort problem  ?
17:26 < mnemoc_> jeru: the segfault or the define?
17:27 < jeru> mnemoc_: segfault was zope
17:27 < jeru> so the autconf/automake issue
17:28 < mnemoc_> option 1) autogen=0 and hack some auto* calls by hand
17:28 < mnemoc_> option 2) learn autocrap and inject PRELUDE definition on the right place
17:29 < CIA-9> rene * r8363 /trunk/package/x11-modular/xserver/xserver.conf: * enabled xgl and xglxserver in xserver
17:31 < jeru> mnemoc_: ok ... will examine it further, to choose an option
17:38 < rxr_> damn
17:38 < rxr_> it seems I have made s.th. that makes ooo fail quite early ...
17:38 < rxr_> strange
17:38 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:41 < rxr> ah - mozilla update ...
17:41 < mnemoc_> :|
17:41 < mnemoc_> how can this packages be so fragile
17:44 < rxr> well - in this case it might be my own fault
17:44 < rxr> I part built mozilla manually testing stuff - maybe I got it installed incompletely ...
17:49 < rxr> well - too bad I implemted >2GB log support when the logs are only a few MB in size now ... *g*
17:50 < rxr> at least the 1.6GB write log is pretty smooth now ...
17:52 < CIA-9> chris * r8364 /trunk/package/security/grsecurity/ (8 files): (log message trimmed)
17:52 < CIA-9> * added grsecurity (2.1.5) for kernel 2.4 and 2.6
17:52 < CIA-9>  Note:
17:52 < CIA-9>  - if enabled this package will automatically patch the linux kernel
17:52 < CIA-9>  Known Issues:
17:52 < CIA-9>  - the automatic injection of kernel options to enable grsecurity support
17:52 < CIA-9>  doesn't work at the moment
17:53 < jeru> mnemoc_: happy testing ;)
17:54 < mnemoc_> :D
17:54 < jeru> mnemoc_: how can I enable the automatic injection of kernel options ?
17:54 < mnemoc_> let me see... minute
17:55 < jeru> I want to enable at least the grsec support itself and some common options too ;)
17:55 < mnemoc_> look at rsbac
17:55 < mnemoc_> it injects kernel.conf.sh
17:55 < mnemoc_> which set some basic rsbac options into kernel
17:55 < jeru> mnemoc_: I've a kernel.conf.sh 
17:55 < jeru> mnemoc_: but it doesn't seem to work
17:57 < mnemoc_> are you adding it to conffiles list?
17:57 < jeru> yep
17:57 < mnemoc_> what XTRACE on linux package say?
17:57 < mnemoc_> is it being executed?
17:57 < jeru> var_append conffiles  ' ' "$pkg_grsec_confdir/kernel.conf.sh"
17:58 < jeru> I wasn't able to find the echo'ed Message
17:59 < mnemoc_> grep conffiles  package/base/linux*/*
17:59 < mnemoc_> uhm
17:59 < mnemoc_> what the hell happened there
18:00 < mnemoc_> the code was removed!
18:01 < jeru> mnemoc_: :| ... where ?
18:01 < mnemoc_> a pope was choosen
18:02 < jeru> yep ... already listened in radio
18:02 < rxr> what - that quickly ?
18:02 < rxr> Who?
18:02 < rxr> .o(not that I would care a bit ... - but when it got that fast it would be interesting to know who it is ...)
18:03 < mnemoc_> ratzinger
18:03 < rxr> aha ...
18:03 < mnemoc_> just kiding
18:03 < rxr> good that I'm not catholic ...
18:03 < jeru> rxr: it's not know till now who will be the new pope
18:03 < jeru> known
18:07 < jeru> an ex-soldier from argentina was conficted for 640 years prison due to his involvement in murdering people during the dictatorship in argentina
18:08 < mnemoc_> argentinian dictatorship was terrible
18:08 < jeru> he was convicted by a spanish court
18:10 < mnemoc_> there is any difference if i run zeo with runzeo or zeoctl fg ?
18:11 < jeru> mnemoc_: should be the same 
18:12 < mnemoc_> finally zope is authenticating me
18:12 < jeru> :D
18:12 < jeru> LDAP ?
18:13 < mnemoc_> not yet
18:13 < jeru> why do you use zeo ?
18:13 < mnemoc_> last 6 tries i could auth using $INSTANCE/access but not with accounts created with zopectl adduser
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18:14 < mnemoc_> jeru: because http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/robust-installation/installing-plone say so :)
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18:14 < jeru> mnemoc_: I was just asking ... because I also prefer to use zeo
18:14 < jeru> ;)
18:14 < mnemoc_> :)
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18:15 < jeru> so you'll set up also 2 client instances ?
18:15 < jeru> one with squid in front doing caching for normal visitors 
18:16 < jeru> ?
18:16 < mnemoc_> i have 5 pending zope sites :)
18:16 < jeru> and the second for authenticated users with ssl support ?
18:16 < jeru> ohhh!
18:17 < mnemoc_> i'll use different internal IPs, and diferent DNS resolving inside and outside... to not have troubles with apache virtual host proxing
18:17 < mnemoc_>  can i handle multiple virtual domains on a single instance of zope?
18:18 < jeru> yep ... very easy
18:18 < mnemoc_> how?
18:18 < jeru> there is an object in the root folder of zope called VirtualHostMonster
18:18 < jeru> look in the ZMI
18:19 < jeru> there you can map domain names -> objects e.g. plone sites
18:19 < mnemoc_> but that needs apache rewriting
18:19 < mnemoc_> ZMI = /manage ?
18:19 < jeru> yep
18:22 < jeru> mnemoc_: cat http://www.apsis.ch/pound/index_html | grep "VIRTUAL HOSTS IN ZOPE"
18:22 < jeru> one example using pound
18:22 < jeru> I'd use the scenario I described before
18:23 < mnemoc_> sad to see zope doesn't handle names
18:24 < jeru> mnemoc_: btw, if you want to enable ssl support I recommend using pound ;)
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18:24 < PeskyGee> Can someone please help me out with this one: == 04/19/05 12:27:24 =[2]=> Aborted building package binutils.
18:25 < mnemoc_> jeru: world -- SSL --> pound -- PLAIN --> zope ?
18:25 < PeskyGee> I keep geting these too: ../configure: line 533: /dev/null: Permission denied
18:25 < valentin> driving home
18:26 < mnemoc_> PeskyGee: usually that is a missconfigured udev on host machine
18:26 < PeskyGee> oooooh never had a problem with udev on this machine hummm 
18:26 < PeskyGee> what couild it be?
18:27 < mnemoc_> we chroot and re-create those nodes inside
18:27 < mnemoc_> a missconfigured udev will make them unwritable
18:27 < PeskyGee> any way I can fix that?
18:28 < keinek> we have new pope.
18:28 < keinek> :)
18:28 < PeskyGee> yep watching it now  :-)
18:28 < mnemoc_> keinek: old news ;)
18:28 < keinek> ;)
18:28 < mnemoc_> PeskyGee: i don't use udev.... rxr may know
18:29 < PeskyGee> strange because I was able to compile most but not binutils and this is when I started getting this error
18:30 < mnemoc_> we enter chroot on stage 2
18:30 < mnemoc_> 2-binutils may be the first to fail
18:31 < rxr> PeskyGee: can you paste the ls -l output of build/..../dev ?
18:31 < PeskyGee> is that is package or?
18:32 < mnemoc_> that's the build dir
18:32 < PeskyGee> aahh ok gotcha 
18:33 < PeskyGee> crw-r--r--  1 root root 1, 3 2005-04-18 20:48 null
18:33 < mnemoc_> rxr: i have tried a+w over it but the problem persist
18:33 < PeskyGee> There are more but that appears to be the one you were looking for yes?
18:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: he is the third-forth person with tha problem i see
18:34 < PeskyGee> ooh so its not just me  :-)
18:34 < mnemoc_> nope
18:34 < mnemoc_> it's your weak distro
18:34 < PeskyGee> Thought I was FUBAR for a moment  :)
18:35 < PeskyGee> hey, now comon Arch is a nice distro man  :-) After several other, I had settled with this one. BUt now I want to roll my own  ;-
18:35 < mnemoc_> :)
18:36 < PeskyGee> been using it now for about 2 1/2 years so its been pretty good. BUt I was customization so I thought I would give this a try 
18:37 < rxr> mnemoc_: what did you tell the others to get this dev/null working ?
18:37 < PeskyGee> Do I have to change the perms or?
18:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: mount --bind
18:41 < keinek> hey mnemoc_ tu tio esta dando la noticia
18:41 < mnemoc_> my uncle??
18:42 < keinek> yes the uncle of mnemoc_ say "habemus papam"
18:42 < keinek> he speak like grandam
18:42 < mnemoc_> ratzinger won
18:42 < jeru> ratzinger
18:42 < jeru> hehe
18:43 < PeskyGee> yep
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18:44 < PeskyGee> Should I try this mount --bind??? or
18:45 < keinek> a german pope
18:46 < PeskyGee> Or do you think perhaps I would be better off getting the ISO from T2 and installing and then rolling my own from that system?
18:48 < mnemoc_> PeskyGee: easy way is to take a T2 do the build
18:48 < mnemoc_> PeskyGee: mount --bind is a hack that should work
18:50 < PeskyGee> where do I execute that at? within the t2-truck dir?
18:52 < rxr> PeskyGee: and when you chmod 666 build/.../dev/null ?
18:52 < rxr> does that change anything ?=
18:52 < PeskyGee> haven't tried but can do 
18:53 < PeskyGee> no same thing 
18:55 < rxr> strange ...
18:55 < rxr> .oO(I do not want that kernel ...)
18:56 < PeskyGee> mount --bind just gives me mount options thats all 
18:58 < mnemoc_> PeskyGee: you have to mount every node on build/$foo/dev to your /dev
18:58 < mnemoc_> PeskyGee: one by one
19:00 < PeskyGee> humm
19:02 < PeskyGee> will have to try that when i get home tonight. Well, back to work :-( thanks for the help guys 
19:02 < PeskyGee> cya 
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19:28  * mnemoc_ kicks rxr badly
19:29 < jeru> ohoh!
19:30 < mnemoc_> he renamed it to: confscripts
19:30 < mnemoc_> -               conffiles="$base/target/$target/kernel.conf.sh $conffiles"
19:30 < mnemoc_> +               confscripts="$base/target/$target/kernel.conf.sh $confscripts"
19:30 < mnemoc_> so var_append to confscripts and please fix rsbac
19:30 < jeru> mnemoc_: but it's long time ago ... why nobody noticed this ? ;)
19:30 < jeru> I'll do 
19:31 < mnemoc_> jeru: i haven't used rsbac in long time :)
19:31 < jeru> hehe :)
19:32 < jeru> damn ... we need a "productive environment task force" ;)
19:33 < mnemoc_> vserver use conffiles too
19:33 < jeru> thanks for your notes ;)
19:33 < mnemoc_> :)
19:34 < jeru> ah for vquota
19:38 < CIA-9> chris * r8365 /trunk/package/security/rsbac/pkg_linux_pre.conf: * fixed the automatic injection of additional kernel options
19:40 < mnemoc_> jeru: query
19:40 < CIA-9> chris * r8366 /trunk/package/security/vserver/pkg_linux_pre.conf: * fixed the automatic injection of additional kernel options
19:42 < CIA-9> amery * r8367 /trunk/package/base/ (89 files in 88 dirs): * injected new .cache files for package/base/*
19:46 < CIA-9> chris * r8368 /trunk/package/security/grsecurity/pkg_linux_pre.conf: * fixed the automatic injection of additional kernel options
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19:51 < minto> Hi all
20:03 < jeru> Hi minto 
20:10 < valentin> re
20:10 < valentin> we are pope nation
20:10 < valentin> a - you talked about that before
20:10 < mnemoc_> :)
20:11 < valentin> bad thing is, i can't stand ratzinger
20:11 < mnemoc_> not about the behavior pope's nation shall follow since now
20:11 < mnemoc_> who can?
20:12 < mnemoc_> i have to go to university
20:12 < valentin> mnemoc_: what we shall not follow ?
20:12 < valentin> cu mnemoc_ 
20:13 < jeru> cu mnemoc 
20:13 < mnemoc_> cu valentin, jeru 
20:13 < minto> valentin: he is 78.
20:13 < minto> bye mnemoc
20:13 < mnemoc_> jeru: my next goal is to get it using ldap
20:13 < jeru> ok ... will be here
20:13 < mnemoc_> minto: that means..... 6 years?
20:13 < mnemoc_> minto: but he looks strong
20:14 < minto> maybe, never know what happens.
20:14 < mnemoc_> ok... cu
20:22 < rxr> re
20:23 < rxr> he was just elected and you talk about his lifespan ?
20:24 < valentin> some popes only lived a few weeks and then died for some obscure reason
20:25 < minto> Forget it valentin. Mnemoc is just robbing banks, but you sure aint gonna kill a pope.
20:26 < minto> Or is this too  obscure???
20:27  * jeru thinks .... minto wants to increase our rank in the IRC "watchlist" ;)
20:27  * minto should be making other jokes
20:27 < valentin> minto: i do not want to kill a pope - i was talking about popes who where probably eliminated by the church
20:27 < jeru> minto: "fighting for democracy" :)
20:27 < valentin> were even
20:28 < rxr> ...
20:28 < rxr> gut that I'm not in religions ...
20:28 < rxr> good even ...
20:28 < minto> Me neither
20:28 < jeru> rxr: ack
20:28 < valentin> me too
20:28 < valentin> i decided to leave church today
20:29 < minto> Then who put the religious packages into T2???
20:29 < rxr> .o(T2 is the only religion - was there s.th. else ,-)
20:29 < valentin> i do not want to pay taxes for razinger
20:29 < rxr> minto: jsaw
20:29 < valentin> minto: jsaw put
20:30 < valentin> you do not have to be gnostic to be interessted in the bible
20:30 < minto> valentin: I don't want to pay taxes to anyone.
20:30 < jeru> :)
20:30 < valentin> :)
20:31 < valentin> here in germany you have to get very rich so you do not have to pay taxes anymore
20:31 < jeru> valentin: ack
20:31 < minto> These people pay taxes to the accountant and fiscal analysts. 
20:32 < valentin> hehe
20:32 < valentin> ok, then you need to be poor and you do not pay anything at al
20:32 < valentin> l
20:33 < valentin> except sales tax
20:33 < minto> That 2 opposites I don't want to be in. So I'll stick in the middle.
20:33 < minto> stick and stuck
20:33 < valentin> you do not want to be rich ? :)
20:34 < valentin> i
20:34 < minto> I am already rich, I have a beautiful wife and a lovely son.
20:34 < valentin> money sucks, so if you want to get rid of some ....
20:34 < jeru> :)
20:35 < minto> I we are talking money, I just want to be financial independant. To rich attracts the wrong people.
20:35 < valentin> yep
20:45 < valentin> http://www.jhuger.com/mui.php
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21:41 < jeru> have to reboot ... cu later
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22:07 < keinek> hi again
22:18 < valentin> cu later
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22:27 < _jeru> re hi
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