--- Log opened Fri Apr 15 00:00:04 2005
00:00 < rxr> valentin: when you wait some minutes you can get some Xgl as well as lominocity screen capture videos ...
00:01 < valentin> cool
00:01 < valentin> ok, i will see
00:03 < valentin> rxr: can you point us to the websites of xgl and luminocity ?
00:03 < rxr> second
00:04 < rxr> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog//xshots
00:07 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/xgl.avi
00:07 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/xgl.avi
00:10 < valentin> what is the command to startup gnome ?
00:12 < rxr> gnome-session ?
00:12 < rxr> moment
00:12 < valentin> thx
00:12 < rxr> my screen graber is crashing currently ...
00:16 < rxr> so luminovity take I
00:16 < rxr> ready in seconds
00:16 < valentin> quite impressive demos on that xshots page
00:19 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/luminocity.avi
00:19 < rxr> the videos are a bit too fast, since even my 2.5pseudo Ghz Athlon is not able to capture them at 10fps when this gfx stuff is running ...
00:20 < mnemoc> uhm.... 1-glibc failed on a fresh i386 minimal build :/
00:20 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [/usr/src/building/t2-trunk/src.glibc.1113516209.29120.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/objdir/elf/rtld-libc.a] Error 2
00:21  * mnemoc kicks etherboot
00:23 < rxr> mnemoc: hm
00:23 < valentin> rxr: you should do that with a video player window instead of that lousy console
00:23 < rxr> fresh build from scratch or just 0/1 ??
00:24 < rxr> valentin: ?
00:24 < rxr> I used a video window, no ?
00:24 < valentin> hm ?
00:24 < valentin> i just see a text console
00:25 < rxr> which video are you watching ?
00:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/luminocity-I.avi
00:26 < valentin> rxr: why is ./scripts/Emerge-Package -dep librep rebuilding 00-dirtree and mutt ?
00:26 < valentin> rxr: oh
00:26 < rxr> because some deps suck ?
00:26 < valentin> luminocity.avi
00:26 < jsaw_> rxr: have a look at package/base/t2-src.desc
00:26 < rxr> in which video do you miss a video ?
00:27 < valentin> lars tells my kde-pim rebuilds kde/*
00:27 < valentin> lars tells my kde-pim rebuilds gnome/* even
00:27 < rxr> with the deps to be further reviewed this is liketly the case
00:27 < rxr> I'm ware of this problem and work on getting misdetected deps filtered out
00:27 < rxr> valentin: which video is too unimpressive ?
00:28 < valentin> rxr: ok, i see the video
00:28 < rxr> valentin: you are not blinded?
00:28 < valentin> the dl is still running
00:28 < valentin> no
00:28 < valentin> your upload is so slow
00:28 < rxr> good ...
00:28 < rxr> please drop notes of to improve the video
00:29 < rxr> they are made up for golem - for the next gen X news tomorrow ...
00:29 < rxr> err today ...
00:29 < rxr> maybe I should inject T2 advertising ?
00:29 < mnemoc> inject inject inject
00:29 < rxr> does anyone else watches  those videos ?
00:30 < rxr> if you want we could have the stuff in T2 in about an hours ..
00:30 < rxr> all CVS checkouts - but - who cares ...
00:30 < mnemoc> :)
00:30 < rxr> mnemoc: sometime it will get too obvious that I took over golem.de as marketing portal *g*
00:30 < valentin> i only have about 3 fps
00:31 < rxr> valentin:  ?
00:31 < mnemoc> :)
00:31 < rxr> download? or displayed ?
00:31 < valentin> display
00:32 < rxr> hm - no idea - maybe due to the file not yet fully there or so ?
00:32 < valentin> lumi-I is faster
00:33 < valentin> rxr: do you have a beta-4 for ppc at hand ?
00:34 < rxr> valentin: nope - no chance - why ?
00:35 < rxr> valentin: please comment the videos - I could need inspiration
00:35 < rxr> (after 3 hours of getting video capture working mostly ...)
00:35 < CIA-9> rene * r8261 /trunk/package/base/t2-src/t2-src.desc: * ROCK -> T2 transformation for the t2-src package
00:38 < rxr> damn
00:38 < rxr> why the h*ll did Berlin Berlin start so early today ...
00:38 < rxr> I already dump the DVB stream one minute before it official starts - and today I missed the beginning anyway ...
00:38 < rxr> damn
00:39 < rxr> and why the hell did they forgot to implement a VPS-alike for this DVB stream ...
00:39  * rxr headshakre ...
00:39 < rxr> hm - but cool - they broadcast the old episodes from years ago in 16:9 - they did not do that a that time IIRC ...
00:39 < valentin> rxr: the videos are quite nice that way
00:39 < valentin> but i would review if there is private information in your chat window
00:40 < rxr> valentin: I guess are are all sitting there with the water forming up in your mouthg ?
00:40 < valentin> maybe a cool background ?
00:40 < rxr> hehe - A T2 one ?
00:40 < valentin> yesyes
00:40 < _jeru> rxr: what do I have to consider if I want to install T2 on a non devfs host ?
00:40 < rxr> I have to disapoint you - on PPC it has some more graphic glitches ...
00:40 < rxr> jsaw_: oehm ...
00:40 < valentin> rxr: i have to leave now
00:41 < rxr> in some init scripts some devices are hardcoded ...
00:41 < rxr> and some sysv init script has a devfs hack, too
00:41 < rxr> but aside from that ...
00:41 < valentin> rxr: can you check lars presentation.pdf in kpdf 3.4 ?
00:41 < valentin> it is on grum in /tmp
00:41 < rxr> URL ?
00:41 < rxr> oehm ...
00:41 < rxr> why ?
00:41 < valentin> it works in 3.3 but it crashes in 3.4
00:42 < valentin> similar pdfs with a TOC crash, too
00:42 < valentin> at least on lars machine
00:42 < rxr> it crahes my PPC Konqueror
00:42 < rxr> I test on the athlon
00:43 < rxr> valentin: on my Athlon the PDF works fine
00:43 < rxr> in Konqueror of T2 trunk:HEAD
00:43 < rxr> on PPC the backtrace is corrupted
00:43 < valentin> ok, beside that my kde now is broken completely it is nice to know, that at least this kpdf thing is not only my problem (ah, its me lars, I hijacked valentins ibook)
00:44 < rxr> hm ...
00:44 < rxr> nice slide lars
00:45 < valentin> on ppc, its the newest kpdf version?
00:45 < valentin> yeah, its the talk I gave in Muenchen last friday. The beamer classes a really great.
00:46 < rxr> on the iBook it is also KDE 3.4.0
00:46 < _jeru> good night 
00:46  * rxr some tiny lunch and off the bed soon anyway ...
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00:46 < valentin> Will there be new ppc isos soon, or shall I build them on my ibook
00:48 < rxr> btw how long did it take to create those slides ?
00:48 < rxr> valentin: there will be in approx. 10 days
00:49 < valentin> Only the texing stuff can be done in a single day. With the old prosper or powertex classes it would have been 1 week.
00:49 < valentin> If you want I can sent you the tex sources. I'll put them in /tmp on grum.
00:50 < rxr> I could ask when I need an example one day
00:50 < rxr> I guess the next reasonable talk will be at the TU Berln during the Linux Info Tage
00:50 < rxr> presenting T2 ...
00:53 < valentin> ok, I think, Valentin and Kerstin want to go to bed here in our living room, so I should go to bed, too. Good night - I will return the ibook to valentin now.
00:53 < rxr> lars: how was the talk - gone well ?
00:53 < rxr> heeh - n8 all over there ,-)
00:53 < valentin> yes, I got only positive feedback. Considering that I slept only 7 h during the 2 days before the talk...
00:54 < valentin> good night.
00:54 < valentin> so - it's the real me again :)
00:55 < valentin> cu and gn8
00:55 < rxr> cu
01:23 < mnemoc> re
01:26 < CIA-9> amery * r8262 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/ (7 files): * updated l7-filter (2005-02-06 -> 2005-03-14)
01:31 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
01:31 < rxr> how was your uni stuff ?
01:32 < CIA-9> amery * r8263 /trunk/package/security/chkrootkit/ (chkrootkit.desc make_install.patch): * updated chkrootkit (0.44 -> 0.45)
01:33 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/enlightenment-I.avi
01:33 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/enlightenment-II.avi
01:36 < mnemoc> rxr: pathetic :/
01:36 < mnemoc> i'll watch your movies
01:43 < mnemoc> e17 is quite cute :)
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02:27 < nick01> hi
02:28 < nick01> so this is a source distro ? why don't u have a biger iso like gentoo ?
02:28 < nick01> hmm ... looks like u don't have a iso at all :(
02:28 < nick01> a bz2
02:29 < mnemoc> this is a kit to build distributions
02:30 < mnemoc> and we do have sample ISOs
02:30  * nick01 wants a distro
02:30 < mnemoc> create your own
02:31 < nick01> lol ; too much trouble
02:31 < mnemoc> not with T2
02:32 < mnemoc> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~t2/binary/stable/2.1.0-beta3/desktop/
02:32 < mnemoc> ^-- there you can find ISOs of desktop target built with T2 2.1.0-beta3
02:32 < mnemoc> for pentium-mmx
02:34 < mnemoc> and ppc
02:34 < nick01> binaries ?
02:35 < mnemoc> source is here: http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/
02:35 < mnemoc> or via svn
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04:54 < sparc-kly> http://dev.gentoo.org/~lewk/img/vim.gif
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09:09 < minto_> moin
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10:24 < rxr> re
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10:36 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
10:50 < rxr> Epiphany-browser 1.6.2 
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11:11 < CIA-9> rene * r8264 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added libtheora to the desktop target
11:12 < CIA-9> rene * r8265 /trunk/package/multimedia/transcode/transcode.conf: 
11:12 < CIA-9> * improved transcode to build with imagemagick support if imagemagick
11:12 < CIA-9>  is installed
11:25 < jsaw_> re
11:25 < jsaw_> rxr: is it intended that stone installs files in reverse order?
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11:33 < _jeru> moin
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11:43 < rxr> stone or mine ?
11:44 < jeru> hi rxr 
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12:05 < CIA-9> msluis * r8266 /trunk/package/java/jboss-as/jboss-as.desc: 
12:05 < CIA-9> * corrected copyright notice for jboss-as
12:05 < CIA-9> * added checksum
12:10 < sepp> hello *
12:10 < minto_> hi sepp
12:10 < jeru> hi sepp, minto_ 
12:10 < minto_> hi jeru
12:10 < sepp> uhm "If GCC 3.4 is configured with --enable-threads=posix ... Affected users of Boost should compile single-threaded code with -DBOOST_DISABLE_THREADS." 
12:11 < sepp> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html
12:12 < sepp> rxr: ^
12:19 < rxr> hm
12:22 < sepp> right now aqsis crashes sometimes because of this boost thing
12:23 < sepp> don't know if kdeedu for example has the same problem
12:29 < rxr> hm - have you tested if compiling boost with that define helps ?
12:29 < rxr> is there some other threading model to be used for gcc ?
12:29 < sepp> testing it right now
12:52 < rxr> ok - so /me driving to a IT fair here in Berlin ...
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14:01 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
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15:09 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8267 /trunk/package/graphic/aqsis/ (aqsis.conf aqsis.desc): * boost / gcc 3.4 workaround, added copyright note
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16:43 < rxr_> re
16:43 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:43  * rxr was at this ITProfits ...
16:43 < rxr> not that big but at least some new contacts ...
16:56 < mnemoc> moin
16:59 < rxr> OpenOffice.org 1.9.93 (Development)
16:59 < rxr> I think I start getting OOo compiled on my side
17:00 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
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17:34 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
17:35 < mnemoc> we are following ximian releases, not sun's, because ximian has added stuf to not depend on sun java
17:36 < rxr> okok
17:36 < rxr> I just paste freshmeat here
17:36 < mnemoc> :)
17:41 < mnemoc> rxr: package matrix needs an adaptation for manual://
17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r8268 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvbd/ (compile.patch dvbd.desc): * updated dvbd (0.7.5 -> 0.7.6)
17:43 < rxr> hehe
17:55 < CIA-9> amery * r8269 /trunk/misc/tail/ (install_cron.in install_postinstall.in): * fixed misc/tail modules to not scream if the files are not found.
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18:06 < keinek> hi
18:07 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
18:08 < sepp> hi mnemoc, keinek 
18:09 < rxr> hi keinek and sepp 
18:09 < sepp> rxr: nice video 
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19:16 < CIA-9> amery * r8270 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (5 files): * updated ooo (1.9-m86 -> 1.9-m90)
19:22 < rxr> hm
19:22 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
19:23 < rxr> I just try to get it starting building  ...
19:23 < mnemoc> it's building here
19:23 < rxr> it still bails out with i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld operating system is not suitable to build OpenOffice.org ...
19:23 < rxr> mnemoc: which one? the old or your update ?
19:24 < mnemoc> the update
19:24 < rxr> I know you get past the initial config - what CPU are you optimizing for ?
19:24 < mnemoc> and i never got your i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld problem here
19:24 < mnemoc> P4
19:24 < rxr> I know you never to
19:24 < rxr> got that error
19:24 < rxr> the update did fully install ?
19:24 < mnemoc> it's building
19:24 < rxr> ouhjm
19:25 < mnemoc> broken -> any   is not a bad update if patches apply :)
19:26 < mnemoc> and considering you will play with it i wanted us playing over the same code
19:27 < rxr> mnemoc: you can btw. remove the icecream comments in our config
19:27 < rxr> we'll never want to enable it - it is just about integrated icecream and distcc support in ooo
19:27 < rxr> of course we have our global one
19:28 < CIA-9> amery * r8271 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * updated samba (3.0.13 -> 3.0.14a)
19:28 < mnemoc> ok
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19:52 < jeru> moin
19:53 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
19:54 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
19:54 < jeru> mnemoc: mnemosyne will use runit as default. so I do not have to pass a the "init" kernel option, right ? At least on my laptop I doesn't need "init" ...
19:54 < jeru> don't
19:55 < mnemoc> runit is /sbin/init on mnemosyne
19:56 < jeru> hmmm ... strange. I rebooted  the server and it didn't came up and the technical support in the data center told me that no init was found 
19:56 < jeru> but it boots up in a UML
19:56 < mnemoc> init=/bin/sh works?
19:57 < mnemoc> runit is dynamic, that can be a problem sometimes
19:57 < jeru> on the server or UML
19:57 < jeru> what do you mean with "dynamic" ?
19:59 < mnemoc> not static
20:00 < jeru> do you have some hints what I can try ?
20:03 < mnemoc> init=/lib/ld-linux.so.2 :D
20:04 < rxr> how much control fo you have over the remote box ?
20:04 < jeru> haha :D
20:05 < jeru> full control ... but it's 400km away
20:05 < jeru> now I've boot a rescue image over the network
20:05 < rxr> what kind of console do you have for the boot loader and initial kernel message ?
20:05 < CIA-9> rene * r8272 /trunk/scripts/Cleanup: 
20:05 < CIA-9> * moved the download cleanup before all the other cleanups and
20:05 < CIA-9>  made it exit - so Cleanup -download will only cleanup the download/
20:05 < CIA-9>  area
20:06 < jeru> mnemoc: I've just a shell
20:07 < mnemoc> jeru: oh
20:07 < jeru> yeah ... just a ssh root shell
20:08 < mnemoc> but to what? if the machine is not init-ing....
20:08 < mnemoc> linux-bios?
20:10 < jeru> mnemoc: I've rebooted a rescue image over the network, and have ssh root access. I have not booted the mnemosyne on it!
20:11 < mnemoc> can you chroot and ldd /sbin/init ?
20:11 < jeru> mnemoc: yeah 
20:12 < mnemoc> is the output ok?
20:12 < mnemoc> does it depend on something not mounted on / ?
20:12 < jeru> mom ... have to mount all partitions ;)
20:16 < jeru> mnemoc: # ldd /sbin/init
20:16 < jeru>         not a dynamic executable
20:17 < mnemoc> strings /sbin/init | less <--- is it really runit?
20:18 < jeru> ^what are the "signs" if it's really runit ?
20:19 < jeru> I have a /sbin/init and /sbin/runit but they differ slightly in size
20:19 < mnemoc> $Id: runit-init.c,v 1.3 2003/06/22 18:25:31 pape Exp $ :D
20:20 < mnemoc> runit-init starts runit
20:20 < mnemoc> those are two different binaries
20:21 < mnemoc> i have to go :(
20:21 < jeru> ok ... cu ...
20:22 < mnemoc> are you sure it's not starting init?
20:22 < mnemoc> you might see a 'greeting' when it starts
20:22 < jeru> yep ... what can I try while you're away ;)
20:22 < mnemoc> the problem can be on etc/runit/1 for example
20:22 < jeru> oh
20:22 < mnemoc> cu
20:23 < jeru> cu
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20:33 < minto_> hi guys
20:34 < jeru> hi minto :)
21:07 < rxr> mnemoc: that ooo still complains about gnuoldld
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21:47 < mnemoc> rxr: it failed here on build/src680-m90/shell/source/backends/gc
21:47 < mnemoc> onfbe
21:48 < mnemoc> ../../../unxlngi6.pro/slo/gconfbecdef.o(.text+0x1e2): In function `createGconfBackend(com::sun::star::uno::Reference<com::sun::star::uno::XCompo
21:48 < mnemoc> nentContext> const&)':
21:48 < mnemoc> gconfbecdef.cxx: undefined reference to `orbit_major_version'
21:48 < mnemoc> ../../../unxlngi6.pro/slo/gconfbecdef.o(.text+0x1ed):gconfbecdef.cxx: undefined reference to `orbit_minor_version'
21:48 < mnemoc> ../../../unxlngi6.pro/slo/gconfbackend.o(.text+0x253): In function `GconfBackend::getGconfClient()':
21:48 < mnemoc> gconfbackend.cxx: undefined reference to `g_error_free'
21:48 < mnemoc> after 14M of log
21:58 < rxr> it broke with my usual error
21:58 < rxr> I just hack Emerge
21:58 < rxr> and debug OOO when I finished the Emerge rework to remobve t
21:58 < rxr> the update list and update system
22:00 < mnemoc> i think we should try to remove most third-party-but-built-inside code on OOo
22:09 < rxr> yep
22:09 < rxr> long term
22:10 < rxr> getting it build in one way or the other is top priority, right ?
22:10 < rxr> btw. why do we need the xemian stuff, when AFAICS ooo can be built even using gcj or kaffe ?
22:11 < mnemoc> i tried
22:11 < mnemoc> but it was way harder
22:11 < mnemoc> OOo structure is a big mess
22:12 < mnemoc> but we can svn cp ooo{,-sun} and try without ooo-builder there
22:13 < mnemoc> talk with jsaw about.. he could once build OOo by hand :)
22:13 < mnemoc> i haven't been able to achieve that yet
22:14 < sepp> is there anything/pkg i should not submit? there are some cg apps with a very small userbase ...
22:15 < rxr> cg == computer graphic ?
22:15 < sepp> yes
22:15 < rxr> sound interesting ,-)
22:15 < sepp> like http://www.drqueue.org/ 
22:15 < rxr> well - if it is not too ugly add as much as you like
22:15 < sepp> to distribute render jobs over network 
22:15 < mnemoc> if $pkg doesn0t conflict anything and doesn't break main packages, commit :)
22:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
22:16 < sepp> ok, just wanted to ask before i commit some bearly never used things
22:16 < sepp> nearly*
22:17 < mnemoc> will you use them?
22:17 < sepp> yes
22:17 < mnemoc> so commit
22:17 < sepp> ok :)
22:18 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/log/5-ooo.err <-- you may want to compare with yours
22:19 < rxr> mnemoc: so far mine is a few kB with gnuoldld not supported bla blubs ...
22:20 < mnemoc> rxr: third-party-but-built-inside packages are a point of brokeness, that's what worries me. not the waste of time and space on rebuilds
22:21 < CIA-9> rene * r8273 /trunk/scripts/ (Create-UpdList Emerge-Pkg Update-System): 
22:21 < CIA-9> * the promissed Emerge rework as described on the mailing list
22:21 < CIA-9>  (verbose default, support -system, fast deps are the default, better
22:21 < CIA-9>  structured output, ...)
22:21 < CIA-9> * removed legacy Create-UpdList and Update-System making Emerge the
22:21 < CIA-9>  first class citizen
22:22 < mnemoc> r8273: default evil pattern?
22:22 < rxr> no
22:22 < mnemoc> :D
22:22 < rxr> no package pattern is the default
22:22 < mnemoc> great
22:22 < rxr> without arguments it spits out a usage
22:23 < mnemoc> build/src680-m90/icu/unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/icu/source/config.guess:           echo "${UNAME_MACHINE}-pc-linux-gnuoldld"
22:23 < rxr> lol
22:23 < rxr> bc asdlkfkjaksdfhlkasdjfh
22:24 < rxr> File asdlkfkjaksdfhlkasdjfh is unavailable.
22:24 < rxr> as if it left or will be back later *g*
22:24 < mnemoc> unavailable :)
22:25 < mnemoc> build/src680-m90/dmake/config.guess:            echo "${UNAME_MACHINE}-pc-linux-gnuoldld"
22:25 < mnemoc> i think that's yours
22:25 < mnemoc> building dmake
22:26 < mnemoc> that's the first step on OOo build
22:26 < jeru> mnemoc: what packages should I reschedule for building vserver enabled kernel without modules
22:27 < mnemoc> vserver and linux2x only
22:27 < mnemoc> actually only linux2*
22:27 < CIA-9> rene * r8274 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * revisited usage text for Emerge-Pkg
22:27 < jeru> + kernel-headers ?
22:27 < mnemoc> if vserver is enabled
22:27 < mnemoc> no, linux-header should not be necesary
22:27 < rxr> mnemoc: I already traced in the guess files
22:28 < rxr> I just wanted to finish typing Emerge ...
22:28 < jeru> yep ... want to revuild it in my target to build a static kernel
22:28 < mnemoc> vserver is a patch, not an addon. if you set your linux to build static, vserver will be there
22:29 < jeru> mnemoc: I know ... but the kernel build fails
22:29 < mnemoc> oh
22:29  * mnemoc moving back to office
22:29 < jeru> cu mnemoc
22:29  * mnemoc using boss' machine :p
22:29 < jeru> :)
22:33 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
22:37 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
22:38 < rxr> hm - I think it is time for a tiny lunch ...
22:39 < rxr> mnemoc: am I allowed to remove scripts/Help ?
22:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8275 /trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
22:47 < CIA-9> * removed most of the outdated and unsupported Documentation
22:47 < CIA-9>  (the Handbook is the main source)
22:48 < CIA-9> rene * r8276 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Pkg Create-Links Help): 
22:48 < CIA-9> * removed scripts/Help (a simple less wrapper using Documentation/
22:48 < CIA-9>  as source) and the notes in usage text about it
22:49 < rxr> mnemoc: do yo use this mked and xdiff ?
22:49 < rxr> I would like to rm that, too ...
22:49 < rxr> the last time I tried at ROCK times only clifford screamed
22:55 < CIA-9> rene * r8277 /trunk/TODO: * TODO cleanup
22:58 < jeru> rxr: I would like to have new Documentation written in reStructuredText, an easy-to-read, what-you-see-is-what-you-get plaintext markup syntax and parser system. 
22:58 < rxr> maybe some modern dockbook with plain text XSLT ?
22:59 < jeru> rxr: it's included in docutils package -> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html
22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't use those
23:00 < rxr> mnemoc: your ooo ooks fundamental different from mine ..
23:00 < rxr> strange
23:00  * rxr reviewing 
23:01 < CIA-9> rene * r8278 /trunk/ (misc/archive/bked.sh misc/archive/xdiff.sh scripts/Build-Pkg): * removed bked and xdiff (...)
23:01 < rxr> I hope noone screems ...
23:01  * rxr hiding ...
23:02 < rxr> mnemoc: do you use fixfile and fixfilediff ?
23:02 < mnemoc> nope
23:03 < rxr> those are the lightweight versions I added at rock times
23:03 < mnemoc> what is scripts/Build-Pkg doing on 8278?
23:03 < rxr> mnemoc: there where two alias entries in the debug env. to mked and xdiff
23:03 < mnemoc> xfind can be a function instead of a .sh too
23:04 < rxr> well - there maybe be more external users ... - from my side that could stay as it is (right now=
23:04 < rxr> mnemoc: fixfile and filxfilediff are a help for me - maybe you want to take a look one day ...
23:04 < rxr> use like this:
23:04 < mnemoc> no more moves to misc/share ?
23:04 < rxr> ./debug.sh
23:04 < rxr> mnemoc: ? sure the remaining Documentation stuff will be moved to misc/share
23:05 < mnemoc> ok
23:05 < rxr> fixfile some-file-that-needs-fixing.c
23:05 < rxr> later on - when you are finished (with maybe many files)
23:05 < rxr> fixfilediff > ../../package7....
23:05 < rxr> mnemoc: the part that screams heavily is not run on your ooo build ...
23:06 < rxr> very interesting ...
23:06 < mnemoc> really?
23:07 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8279 /trunk/package/graphic/mflip/ (. mflip.desc): * added mflip (0.30)
23:07 < mnemoc> should i commit my 'updated' ooo.cache ?
23:08 < rxr> hm - I do not really need it right now
23:08 < rxr> but if you like ...
23:08 < rxr> hm - I build withotu java ...
23:08 < rxr> but you formerly did build withotu java, too right ?
23:08 < mnemoc> no.. just if you want to see my deps
23:08 < rxr> NO
23:08 < rxr> no even
23:08 < mnemoc> :)
23:08 < rxr> sorry touched caps lock unintentionally
23:08 < mnemoc> i haven't built it without java
23:09 < mnemoc> as NOPARALLEL thing, i want a build a sun-friendly OOo before going against the stream
23:09 < rxr> hm
23:10 < mnemoc> if it doesn't build with sun-jdk, i can't expect it to build with gcj or kaffe
23:10 < rxr> ...
23:10 < rxr>         This code is wildly unstable, it will corrupt your children.
23:11 < mnemoc> :)
23:11 < sepp> lol
23:11 < rxr> I have none - but on your side I would be worried with that .oO code ...
23:11 < mnemoc> i wonder if they will remove that _after_ release
23:12 < mnemoc> my children wont see this ugly code/structure
23:13 < mnemoc> Config file directory [/etc/webmin]: ERROR: Config directory /etc/opt/webmin is not empty <-- i _hate_ smart scripts
23:13 < rxr> you never know what voodoo sun applied ...
23:14 < mnemoc>  ls -1 build/src680-m90/ | wc -l
23:14 < mnemoc> 174
23:15 < mnemoc> it had built _174_ third-party packages when it failed here
23:22 < rxr> oehm - krass
23:23 < rxr> there was just a Doom3 commercial on t
23:23 < rxr> TV ?!?!?!
23:23 < mnemoc> :)
23:24 < sepp> this is allowed?
23:25 < sepp> i thought "fsk 18" games can not make commercials
23:25 < rxr> no idea
23:25 < rxr> I think it even was for the pro7 games web site ...
23:25 < rxr> if I understood the advertising correctly ...
23:25 < rxr> but I was scrolling thru OO error logs nearby ...
23:25 < mnemoc> 23:30 is also restricted?
23:27 < sepp> i am no lawyer, but i am sure here you are not allowrd to make commercials for 18+ games
23:27 < mnemoc> can you have 18+ movies at 23:30?
23:27 < sepp> movies, yes
23:27 < mnemoc> what's the difference?
23:27 < CIA-9> amery * r8280 /trunk/package/archiver/ (7 files in 7 dirs): * injected .cache files and copyright notes on package/archiver
23:28 < sepp> dont ask me
23:29 < sepp> i think no one with a working brain understands lawyers rules
23:29 < mnemoc> :)
23:31 < jeru> mnemoc: "normal" modular autoconfured kernel seems to build without the error
23:31 < mnemoc> are the modules built?
23:32 < jeru> vserver ?
23:32 < mnemoc> yep
23:33 < jeru> mom
23:33 < CIA-9> amery * r8281 /trunk/package/audio/ (63 files in 60 dirs): * injected .cache files and copyright notes to package/audio
23:35 < rxr> mnemoc: the errors on my box happens due to solenv/bin/config.guess
23:35 < rxr> parsing ld output ..
23:36 < mnemoc> what has your ld different to mine?
23:37 < rxr> mine in system build might be a bit different than your t2 trunk:HEAD ld ...
23:38 < mnemoc> have you tried inside desktop target?
23:39 < sepp> hmm i need to sleep, good night all
23:40 < jeru> night sepp ... sleep well
23:40 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp 
23:41 < rxr> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
23:42  * rxr slaps the f*cking sun people big times ...
23:42 < rxr> and the auto* cruft ...
23:42 < rxr> those stupid bastards ...
23:42 < mnemoc> :D
23:42 < mnemoc> what was it?
23:42 < jeru> ohoh
23:42 < rxr> arch_target=`cd / ; bla bla bla `
23:42 < rxr> with the current patch inserted into LD_LIBRARY_PATH or so ...
23:42 < rxr> I had some testing debug libraries in /
23:42 < rxr> libc.so and friends ..
23:43 < mnemoc> :)
23:43 < rxr> that whay this damn stuff was not able to exute ld ...
23:43  * rxr big headshake ...
23:44 < rxr> ok - I take a bread with fre
23:44 < rxr> eggs ...
23:44 < rxr> hm - today I'm quite enter pushing ...
23:44 < mnemoc> :)
23:44 < rxr> ok - in some hours I guess I can tell you how far my java less build got ...
23:45 < rxr> now that I moved my testing libs out of / ....
23:45 < mnemoc> you have my build log to do the parallel
23:50 < rxr> so - /me off for some egg'ed bread ...
23:53 < jeru> mnemoc: I will try to build a static kernel manually too
23:56 < jeru> rxr: seems that building a static kernel in T2 isn't supported anymore 
23:57 < mnemoc> that's rene's fault! i only commit .cache files here 
23:58 < jeru> mnemoc: we all know ;)
23:58 < mnemoc> :D
23:59 < mnemoc> .oO( i commit copyright notes too )o
23:59  * jeru pulls mnemocs ear
23:59 < mnemoc> :p
--- Log closed Sat Apr 16 00:00:04 2005