--- Log opened Sun Apr 10 00:00:04 2005 00:04 < sepp> keinek: http://www.realsoftware.com/realbasic/vb6/index.php 00:07 < keinek> and did work? 00:07 < sepp> hmm dont know 00:08 < sepp> but you might want to check it ... 00:10 < sepp> sounds like you can switch to realbasic for free 00:10 < sepp> if you have ms v basic 00:11 < keinek> Mmmm i try 00:11 < keinek> but this web page dont work for me 00:11 < keinek> can you see that? 00:11 < sepp> http://www.realbasic.com/ 00:11 < sepp> ? 00:12 < mnemoc> .com? 00:12 < sepp> yes 00:13 < keinek> Mmmm work 00:13 < mnemoc> isn't gambas mature? 00:13 < keinek> sound good 00:13 < keinek> but is comercial. 00:13 < sepp> seems to be free as in beer if you have ms vbasic 00:14 < sepp> keinek: maybe an alternative to win* in whatever emulator 00:14 < sepp> if the update / change is free ... 00:15 < sepp> ohh i did not know gambas 00:16 < keinek> i use visual basic only for my boss. 00:16 < keinek> now i want to learn pascal. 00:16 < keinek> do you like pascal? 00:16 < keinek> I found Freepascal. 00:16 < keinek> i have a book "the book" of pascal... 1000 pages :P 00:16 < sepp> please dont ask me about languages ;) 00:17 < sepp> i would start to bash most things 00:19 < keinek> Mmmm bash... i like bash 00:19 < keinek> i wanna learn more of bash too 00:19 < sepp> i mean to bash 00:19 < keinek> know... 00:19 < mnemoc> bash i easy 00:19 < mnemoc> is* 00:19 < keinek> ahhh 00:19 < keinek> jejeje 00:19 < keinek> know 00:20 < keinek> windows xp work better than windows 98 in qemu 00:20 < sepp> ahh no i already sit on my hands 00:20 < keinek> almost in the install 00:20 < keinek> Red-Handed Target is in stage 5 but now is for simple athlon. 00:20 < keinek> :) 00:21 < keinek> Red-Handed is like the nasa since T2 was come. 00:21 < keinek> :D 00:21 < sepp> i will not mention lisp/smalltalk 00:21 < sepp> ooops 00:22 < mnemoc> " windows xp work better than windows 98 in qemu" <--- uhm? 00:23 < keinek> yes... i think that the team prepare the last version for that 00:23 < keinek> is more stable. 00:26 < keinek> i will send all my roms of mame to gmail :P 00:26 < keinek> do you know some way to send all my mails that i have archive in thundermail to gmail? 00:31 < mnemoc> with IMAP is easy, but i doubt gmail gives IMAP 00:32 < sepp> gmail does not support imap? 00:32 < keinek> Does Gmail support IMAP? 00:32 < keinek> Does Gmail support IMAP? Answer, return to Help Center. Gmail doesn't 00:32 < keinek> currently support IMAP access. As part of our ongoing ... 00:32 < keinek> POP 00:33 < keinek> :'( 00:38 < mnemoc> maildir + gmailfs ? 00:42 < keinek> maildir? 00:46 < mnemoc> it's a form to keep your mails one-message-per-file 00:47 < mnemoc> then: cp -v * /mnt/gmail/ should work 00:48 < keinek> ok... but i dont want use gmailfs 00:49 < keinek> i want resend the mail, so after i can looking the mails and search from gmail.com 00:49 < keinek> :) 00:49 < keinek> mnemoc, do you know what is the plan of gmail? 00:49 < keinek> free for ever? 00:50 < keinek> i just to end the beta? 00:52 < mnemoc> no idea 00:52 < mnemoc> i don't use it 00:52 < mnemoc> and i wont 00:53 < keinek> why? 00:54 < mnemoc> i have my own and good-enough mail service 00:55 < keinek> ok... me too , or something like that, but i want use gmail only for archive. 00:55 < keinek> in every place i want to see my mail archive. 01:00 < keinek> hey guys i have one super NEWs! 01:00 < keinek> http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/ 01:00 < sepp> n8 all 01:01 < keinek> free games! 01:01 < keinek> and legal. 01:01 < keinek> you can download that games! 01:01 < keinek> :) 01:01 < mnemoc> n8 sepp 01:01 < keinek> n8 = night? 01:01 < mnemoc> yep 01:01 < keinek> jejeje 01:01 < keinek> ok 01:02 < keinek> n8 sepp 01:02 < keinek> and dont touch you while speeling. 01:02 < keinek> well, now play this games in wine is legal. 03:17 -!- jeru|away [~jeru@p54BFF340.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:46 < mnemoc> re 04:09 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.182] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:17 < CIA-9> amery * r8148 /trunk/misc/tail/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * cleaned misc/tail/install_*.in code 05:17 < CIA-9> amery * r8149 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 5 dirs): * moved vstserver and ladspa-vst to attic (and disabled) until anyone makes it build. 07:40 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 07:40 < minto> moin 07:40 < mnemoc> hi minto 07:41 < minto> mnemoc: You are still up? What time is it over there? 7:30 in the morning over here. 07:41 < mnemoc> i have 1:42 07:45 < mnemoc> i think i'll go to sleep... i don't feel good 07:45 < mnemoc> cu minto 07:45 < minto> cu mnemoc, sleep well. 07:58 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jdavid_ 08:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jdavid_ 08:02 < rxr> moin 08:18 -!- jdavid__ [1000@cable200-116-217-23.epm.net.co] has joined #t2 08:21 < rxr> hi jdavid__ 08:21 * rxr breakfast .. 08:24 -!- jdavid_ [1000@cable200-116-217-23.epm.net.co] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:47 < mnemoc> re 08:47 < mnemoc> where is jeru when i need him :( 08:47 < mnemoc> he sold me zope... he shall be here 08:54 < minto> mnemoc: are you still there? Don't forget to sleep. 08:54 < mnemoc> i was fighting a damn zope server 08:54 < mnemoc> jeru!!!!! 08:54 < mnemoc> :( 08:55 < minto> I think he is still sleeping 08:55 < mnemoc> can you please kick him in my name? 08:56 < mnemoc> he shall give 7x24 support for the stuff he sells 08:56 < mnemoc> damn :( 08:56 < minto> I have a small question for you. Is it possible to ask the group id/name added by another package? 08:56 < minto> Or should I use it hardcoded. 08:57 < mnemoc> currently you only can parse $base/package/*/$pkg/postsysfiles.in 08:58 < mnemoc> but using hardcoded username is not that bad 08:58 < minto> hmm, okay thanx 08:58 < mnemoc> i hope to solve that using .tail 08:58 < minto> When is that planned? 08:59 < mnemoc> 2004 08:59 < minto> :-) 09:00 < mnemoc> i'll add most .tail stuff into 2.1.x keeping compatibility, and on 2.2 removing compatibility 09:00 < mnemoc> but i have lot to design yet :\ 09:00 < minto> I still with hardcoding for now 09:01 < mnemoc> yep 09:01 < mnemoc> jeru? no jeru around? ok.... i'll go to sleep 09:01 < minto> sleep well. And don't have zope nighmares. 09:01 < mnemoc> gn8 09:02 < mnemoc> i think i'll have 09:02 < mnemoc> :( 09:08 < rxr> moin mnemoc 09:09 < rxr> why not parse $root/etc/passwd ? 09:19 < minto> rxr: How do I know which group was added by apache httpd? 09:19 < rxr> I would hardcode that ,-) 09:19 < minto> I did. 09:20 < rxr> oh - I think I misread the scrollback ... 09:20 < rxr> sorry 09:20 < minto> I just wondered if there was something in place to prevent hardcoding. 10:04 < rxr> what this freebsd madness: 10:04 < rxr> t2@nexus$ which konsole 10:04 < rxr> /usr/local/bin/konsole 10:04 < rxr> t2@nexus$ which gnome-terminal 10:04 < rxr> /usr/X11R6/bin/gnome-terminal 10:06 < rxr> I think they patch gnome (glib and co) for the XDG path - since they do not export any ... 10:06 < rxr> $ set | grep XDG 10:06 < rxr> nothing 10:10 < CIA-9> rene * r8150 /trunk/architecture/ (share/kernel-fs.conf.m4 x86/kernel.conf.sh): 10:10 < CIA-9> * made NTFS, XFS and JFS modular 10:10 < CIA-9> * added SQUSHFS to be built in (when available) 10:12 < CIA-9> rene * r8151 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (5 files): 10:12 < CIA-9> * added automatic patching of squashfs (the new preferred compressed 10:12 < CIA-9> FS for CD, initrd, embedded, ... use) 10:22 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8152 /trunk/scripts/Build-Tools: 10:24 < CIA-9> * fixed Build-Tools to consider pkg_*.conf files for a tools rebuild 10:24 < CIA-9> (previously we ignored *.conf ...) 10:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8153 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (5 files): 10:26 < CIA-9> * removed debug set -x / +x from pkg_linux26_post.conf now that the 10:26 < CIA-9> patching is tested for linux24, linux26 and linux24-psionw 10:26 < CIA-9> * applied CopyPatch 10:27 < rxr> valentin: could you test the squashfs patching for linux26sh ? 10:28 < CIA-9> rene * r8154 /trunk/target/psion-pda/config.in: 10:28 < CIA-9> * added squashfs-tools to the psion-pda stage0 so the kernel is patched 10:28 < CIA-9> with squashfs 10:36 < sepp> moin 10:36 < rxr> moin sepp 10:36 < sepp> hello 10:38 < rxr> sepp: I think I fixed the olist generation to still merge the previous files into the flist 10:38 < rxr> until we re 10:38 < rxr> fixed all the packages to really insall files ... 10:38 < rxr> so we fix all the regressions while we still can monitor olists until t 10:38 < rxr> hey are fine ... 10:38 < sepp> i started a rebuild some h ago 10:38 < rxr> ouhm - seems I'm not used to the iBook keyboard anymore ... 10:39 < rxr> ouhm - I could do this tweak within 10 minutes or so ... 10:39 < rxr> so you do not get the olist related missing files ... 10:40 < sepp> i will check the new olists in 1 or 2 h 10:44 < sepp> the new olist things are in head already? 10:45 < rxr> nope - I could do this in some minutes ... 11:01 < rxr> 1567 packages in tree 11:06 < rxr> Searching for orphaned files ... 11:06 < rxr> Found 74 files for this package. 11:06 < rxr> Found 19 orphaned files for this package. 11:09 < CIA-9> rene * r8155 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: 11:09 < CIA-9> * fixed regressions caused by olist generation, by merging the orphaned 11:09 < CIA-9> files into the flist for now (until we fixed all the regressions 11:09 < CIA-9> caused by packages not reinstalling files when they think they 11:09 < CIA-9> are up-to-date ... 11:22 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8156 /trunk/package/audio/eq-xmms/ (. eq-xmms.conf eq-xmms.desc): * added eq-xmms 11:25 < rxr> sepp: for update and adds there is a helper: misc/archive/Commit.sh that will prepare the log including version numbers for you ,-) 11:26 < sepp> ohh 11:27 < sepp> maybe you should add this to T2 SVN commit tutorial 11:27 < rxr> sepp: good idea ,-) 11:37 < rxr> added 11:38 -!- _jeru [~jeru@p54BFBF88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:38 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 11:38 < jeru> moin 11:39 < sepp> moin jeru 11:39 < jeru> hi sepp :) 11:39 < rxr> hi jeru 11:40 < jeru> hi rxr :) 12:24 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 12:25 < rxr> hi minto 12:35 < jeru> unfortunately my bdb build on mnemosyne failed. any ideas? (show me the guy who has updated bdb ;) 12:35 < jeru> g++ -c -I. -I../dist/.. -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -O ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/cxx_env.o 12:35 < jeru> ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp: In static member function `static void DbEnv::runtime_error(DbEnv*, const char*, int, int)': 12:35 < jeru> ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp:486: error: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable 12:35 < jeru> make: *** [cxx_env.lo] Error 1 12:35 < rxr> you bulid your gcc with CXX_LIMIT bla bla ROCK_CFG set 12:36 < rxr> that will disable exeption and run time type info globally 12:36 < jeru> uhm ? 12:36 < rxr> or - better not gcc - but just enabling the option will cuase this ... 12:36 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_LIMITCXX='0' 12:36 < rxr> you will have 12:37 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_LIMITCXX='1' 12:37 < rxr> I guess 12:37 < jeru> can i set/unset it via Config ? 12:37 < rxr> yep 12:37 < rxr> if the mnemo sein target forces it somewhere ... 12:38 < jeru> Config -> Disable exceptions and rtti in C++ 12:38 < rxr> ack 12:39 < rxr> was it active ? 12:39 < jeru> ack ;) 12:39 < jeru> strange ... I can't imagine that it is set by default in mnemosyne 12:40 < jeru> perhaps an result from a 3am syndrom ;) 12:41 < rxr> limitting C++ is always a good idea - click ,-) 12:42 < jeru> rxr: thank you ;) 12:43 < rxr> jeru: no problem ,-) 12:44 < jeru> rxr: btw, your embedded stuff looks great :) 12:44 < rxr> where have you looked at ? 12:45 < jeru> rxr: minit, squashfs support and of course the nice little helper scripts ;) 12:46 < rxr> ,-) 12:46 < jeru> but have no time to migrate my bridgefw this weekend :) 12:46 < rxr> some time later we need real minit integration - maybe with runit ... 12:46 < rxr> currently minit carries this predefined set of minit defines around ... 12:47 < jeru> rxr: indeed :) 12:47 < rxr> (and only those I needed so far ,-) 12:48 < jeru> rxr: but I think you can remove mountall/params because your run script is a shell script 12:49 < rxr> ack 12:49 < CIA-9> rene * r8157 /trunk/package/base/minit/inits/mountall/params: * removed obsolete mimnit/inits/mountall/params (saves 6 Bytes ++) 12:49 < jeru> hehe :) 12:51 < jeru> rxr: regarding minit/runit integration. do you want to use TAIL format ? 12:52 < CIA-9> rene * r8158 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added metamail to the desktop target, I was told sylpheed needs it 12:52 < rxr> jeru: I still need to review it ... 12:52 < rxr> what does TAIL stand for ? (btw) 12:54 < jeru> rxr: for runit it's quite well, but I think we should integrate the possibility for setting file/directory permissions 12:54 < jeru> rxr: don't know. ask master mnemoc ;) 12:55 < rxr> Total Advanced Init Language ... 12:57 < jeru> rxr: I like the "Total" :) 12:58 < jeru> rxr: it should also be possible to define sth. like a superserver e.g. tcpsvd/udpsvd + parameters 12:59 < rxr> but then it will not stay Tiny but Adanvaed Init Language - but become some Total complex Advnaced Init Language ... *g* 13:00 < jeru> :) 13:00 < jeru> rxr: and don't forget the cron integration mnemoc would like to have ;) 13:01 < rxr> the what ? 13:01 < jeru> I think mnemoc wants to use TAIL also for cron 13:02 < rxr> Total Artificial Inteligence Language ,-) 13:02 < valentin> moin 13:02 < rxr> why is the O for overfeatured missing ,-) 13:02 < rxr> TOIL ? 13:02 < jeru> hehe :D 13:02 < rxr> valentin: moin ... 13:02 < jeru> moin valentin 13:02 < rxr> valentin: how are you ? 13:06 < valentin> quite good, thankx 13:06 < valentin> rxr: there is someone on the rock ml who came to rock because he googled for bootable rs6k cds 13:07 -!- tilix [~tilix@pppoe23.bol.bg] has joined #t2 13:07 < valentin> and he does not know how to boot it through firmware 13:07 < valentin> jeru: how is the CMS doing ? 13:08 < jeru> valentin: quite good ... will update my server in about 2h ;) 13:08 < rxr> valentin: point him to T2 ... 13:08 < rxr> on the T2 list I can tell him how to boot from within open firmware .. 13:08 < rxr> however only for some RS6k's ... 13:09 < rxr> depends what model he has ... 13:09 < jeru> valentin:have to backup all the things before 13:10 < valentin> Pressing '1' on POST CODE FF1 brings the OpenFirmware Menu 13:10 < valentin> Pressing '5' starts some kind of configuration stuff 13:10 < valentin> Pressing '8' starts the OpenFirmware console prompt (the 'Ok' prompt) 13:10 < valentin> So, I press '8' to bring up the menu and type the following to boot 13:10 < valentin> using the cd... 13:10 < valentin> boot cdrom /boot/ console=ttyS0,9600 console=tty0 13:10 < valentin> initrd=/boot/ 13:12 < rxr> now after their scatted documention on the homepage and the ugly .net size they want to make it more complex and uninsightful and set up packages. and doc. ? 13:12 < rxr> oh my ... 13:13 < valentin> because doc and packages are blindcoders server 13:15 < jeru> btw.... do we prefer a special main color for the T2 website ? 13:15 < rxr> jeru: no idea 13:15 < rxr> valentin: delegate him to the t2 list I would say ... 13:15 < jeru> uhm ? rxr thought you were a "blue" one ;) 13:15 -!- tilix [~tilix@pppoe23.bol.bg] has left #t2 ["Konversation terminated!"] 13:16 < rxr> jeru: yeah - blue is nice ... 13:17 < jeru> anyway ... there will be the CSSManager ... so everybody can play around 13:17 < rxr> jeru: what system do you set up ? 13:17 < jeru> authenticated users of course 13:17 < jeru> rxr: Plone of course 13:19 < jeru> rxr: I'll place a T2 test instance on my server this evening ... so you can take a look 13:20 -!- maddin [~martin@pD956B2BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:20 < maddin> hi 13:20 < jeru> rxr: mnemoc an me thought you have to do better things than playing with a CMS ;) 13:21 < jeru> hi maddin 13:21 < rxr> yes - I have ... 13:21 < jeru> rxr: and anyway we've to improve our development platform 13:21 < rxr> hm - as long as I do not have to admister the zope based installation ... 13:22 < jeru> rxr: you don't have to 13:22 < maddin> hi jeru, rxr 13:22 < rxr> hi maddin 13:23 < jeru> rxr: I'm thinking of a system which you can keep in sync with a local copy and with several mirror servers 13:23 < rxr> jeru: what do you mean with development platform ? 13:23 < rxr> the internet presence ? 13:24 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... colaboration environment for T2 integrated in to the website 13:25 < jeru> rxr: e.g. a tracking system for bugs/solutions/feature requests etc 13:30 < rxr> jeru: some URL yet ? 13:31 < jeru> rxr: yeah .... http://localhost for now ... but as I said. In the evening there will be a T2 Plone Site on my server ;) 13:32 < rxr> hm - that URL does not bring anything in my browser ... 13:32 < jeru> hehe :) 13:32 < rxr> Could not connect to host localhost. 13:32 < rxr> jeru: ok - I wait a bit - I'll have to get 13:32 < rxr> grab s.th. for lunch anyway ... 13:32 < jeru> rxr: any special wishes regarding features ? 13:33 < rxr> nope ,-) 13:33 < jeru> oh !?! ;) 13:33 < rxr> oh ? 13:33 * jeru is wondering about rxr empty wish list ;) 13:34 < rxr> well - support to structure navigation in a way useable for the visitor and us specifing it ... 13:34 < rxr> and in some nice looking design - please ... 13:34 < rxr> like http://www.mozilla.org or so 13:35 < jeru> so you really wants to have ha drupal skin for Plone ,) ? 13:41 < rxr> hehe - no - not exactly a copy - just good looking - e.g. I do not really like the design of http://plone.org 13:43 < rxr> valentin: I started to implement 12bit scanning for mid age Avision scanner that do not yet support 16bit per channel - but more than 8 (12 that is ,-) 13:43 < rxr> but I export it as 16bit data true the SANE API - that is unpack it on the fly ... 13:44 < rxr> 12bit data is of no use for most applications I think 13:51 < rxr> I have the feeling 2.6.11 made my iBook way slower - valentin - what do you run on yours ? 13:58 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178172197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 13:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | @CeBIT Hall 6 H30-532 13:58 -!- Topic set by ao [] [Wed Mar 16 09:21:34 2005] 13:58 [Users #t2] 13:58 [ _Ragnar_] [ jeru ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 13:58 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 13:58 [ jdavid__] [ maddin] [ nzg ] [ sepp] 13:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 13:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 13:58 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 14:14 -!- rxr [~rene@e178145104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:14 < valentin> i am still on 2.6.10 :/ 14:18 < rxr_> maybe it was due to ccache in use .. 14:18 -!- You're now known as rxr 14:33 < valentin> what is slower ? compilation ? 14:33 < minto> hi * 14:34 < valentin> hi minto 14:34 * minto has to change Merlyn's diapers, Yuck 14:35 < minto> hi valentin, a few months and you will be doning the same. 14:36 < rxr> valentin: I mostly notice that compiles takes soo long ... 14:37 < valentin> did you take a look into config ? perhaps you compile with too many jobs enabled ? ,) 14:37 < valentin> minto: i am looking forward to ... 14:37 < rxr> nope just 2 14:37 < rxr> and in the past I even used 4 ... 14:37 < rxr> don't forget I have 640MB RAM ... 14:38 < rxr> when I say it is slower it is - not just a config thing ... 14:38 * minto is done 14:39 < valentin> 4 minutes... not bad 14:39 < minto> 18 months experience 14:40 < valentin> rxr: we could benchmark emerging the same program with the same config 14:48 < rxr> we already know your 900Mhz book is non linear faster compared to my 800Mhz one ... 14:48 < rxr> newer chipset or cache or whatever ... 14:56 < valentin> but it should not be half speed or so 15:01 < rxr> I could boot older kernel on need ... 15:14 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.182] has joined #t2 15:14 < keinek> hi 15:37 < rxr> hi keinek 15:39 < rxr> valentin: can you build gimp and tell me how long it took ? 15:49 < rxr> == 14:18:44 =[9]=> Building graphic/gimp [2.2.4 2.1.0-rc2]. 15:59 < rxr> == 04/10/05 15:58:12 =[9]=> Finished building package gimp. 15:59 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.182] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:05 < valentin> rxr: how many jobs ? 16:05 < valentin> with ccache ? 16:09 -!- jdavid__ is now known as Davidcc 16:10 -!- Davidcc is now known as Davidcc6 16:11 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.129] has joined #t2 16:12 < keinek> rxr 16:12 < keinek> http://www.rockstargames.com/classics 16:12 < keinek> games for free from rockstargames. 16:12 < keinek> :) 16:12 < keinek> meaby work with wine vanilla 16:15 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 16:15 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:15 -!- minto_ is now known as minto 16:21 < keinek> hey guy what program use for the web page? 16:23 -!- maddin [~martin@pD956B2BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:31 < rxr> re 16:31 < rxr> keinek: what ? 16:35 < rxr> valentin: on my iBook i have some annoying regresion with my i/o core that will not reliable start scans for the AV610 ... 16:39 < keinek> yes 16:39 < keinek> rockstar gifs games. 16:39 < keinek> for free 16:39 < keinek> old games 16:39 < keinek> but ready for work with the new directx 16:40 < keinek> meaby work fine in wine. 16:49 < rxr> meaby is a game ? 16:50 < keinek> oh shit my english 16:50 < keinek> hahaha 16:50 < rxr> or maybe the work fine in wine ? 16:50 < keinek> yeah! maybe 16:50 < keinek> jejeje 16:50 < keinek> or perhaps 16:50 < rxr> aha ,-) 16:50 < keinek> ;) 16:51 < keinek> i know that sound bad 16:51 < keinek> thanks, English lesson 12 16:51 < keinek> :) 16:53 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.205.37.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 17:06 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.225.105.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:13 < valentin> == 04/10/05 16:57:54 =[9]=> Aborted building package gimp. 17:13 < valentin> glibc record too old 17:13 < valentin> think i need to fake around it 17:13 < rxr> glibc ? 17:14 < valentin> !> pkgprefix: glib record is old, please rebuild 17:14 < rxr> ah - glib ... 17:14 < valentin> no idea why ? 17:14 < rxr> sure pkgprefix in use .. 17:14 < rxr> rebuild glib ,-) 17:15 < rxr> just that glibc != glib ... 17:17 < keinek> rxr in this week i will have www.t2-project.com.ar 17:18 < keinek> and will be a version of www.t2-project.org in spanish. 17:18 < rxr> keinek: nice ,-) 17:19 < keinek> I can represent to T2 in Argentina? 17:19 < rxr> sure - if you like to -> you are welcome! 17:20 < keinek> Everything that to say for my was well. Is a honor to me be near you. 17:20 < keinek> ;) 17:21 < sparc-kly> www.t2-project.com.ar :D 17:21 < keinek> some parts of the web were be in spanish other they direct to the web of the official project 17:21 < keinek> :) 17:22 < rxr> have you already registered it ? 17:22 < rxr> soon we will have a Content Management System where you could edit it in the same style ... 17:23 < rxr> maybe under ar.t2-project.org ... 17:23 < keinek> I loved to speak of T2, and if I am able I went to meetings and I represented here and I brought the questions that do not know to answer. 17:24 < keinek> That serious fantastic 17:24 < keinek> i only redirect the web page. 17:25 < keinek> then I created documentacion in spanish, already I have many notes 17:26 < keinek> yes rxr i registered it, in argentina is free. 17:26 < rxr> oh 17:26 < keinek> so if you change the name, i dont have problem to registered again another name. 17:26 < keinek> is easy and free. 17:27 < keinek> just must have desires 17:28 < keinek> T2 is the best project than I know on linux 17:31 < rxr> keinek: thanks 8-) 17:33 < minto> rxr: I just completed the installation part of mailman. Now I have to configure it properly. Actually I have to set up the web- and mailserver in regard to mailman. But I do not know how to add this to the mailman package. 17:36 < rxr> minto: maybe just install it and let the configuration to the administrator ? 17:38 < minto> Ack. Or the target (special purpose) could take care of it. 17:42 < rxr> yep 17:42 < minto> In that case I have a new package ready. 17:43 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8159 /trunk/package/audio/eq-xmms/slider.patch: * fixed a bug that crahes xmms/equ 17:43 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E72D59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:43 < rxr> minto: go, commit it ,-) 17:46 < minto> I will after I finish my dinner 17:51 < mnemoc> moin 17:51 < rxr> hi mnemoc ! 17:51 < mnemoc> hi rxr 17:52 < minto> Hi mnemoc, I have not had time to kick jeru for you ;-) 17:52 < mnemoc> i solved my problem last night :) 17:53 < mnemoc> without vendor's help! 17:53 < minto> :-D 17:54 < mnemoc> stage-9 is a nightmare 17:54 < mnemoc> configure: error: evolution requires pilot-link to have working UTF-8 conversion routines 17:54 < mnemoc> Due to previous errors, no 9-evolution.log file! 17:54 < mnemoc> 'new dependencies' broke many packages 17:54 < rxr> uo 18:05 < CIA-9> msluis * r8160 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * New package 18:07 < mnemoc> uhm 18:07 < mnemoc> what was that? 18:08 < mnemoc> minto: your commit message is a bit poor 18:09 < rxr> minto: please add the package name you added. 18:09 < mnemoc> and version 18:09 < rxr> ./misc/archive/Commit.sh package/... can be a big help 18:09 < rxr> dito for updates ,-) 18:09 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8161 /trunk/package/network/valknut/ (. valknut.desc): * added valknut (0.3.7) 18:10 < mnemoc> :) 18:10 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8162 /trunk/package/network/dclib/ (. dclib.desc): * added dclib (0.3.7) 18:10 < mnemoc> rxr: mr. awk master, can you add version a [I] to add messages? 18:10 < mnemoc> version and [I 18:10 < mnemoc> ] 18:10 < mnemoc> err 18:11 < minto> Can I still change the message, if so how? 18:11 < mnemoc> nope, you cant 18:11 < mnemoc> + # Create the prefix directory if it does not already exist. 18:11 < mnemoc> + mkdir -p $root/$prefix 18:11 < mnemoc> ^--- wierd 18:12 < minto> This is just to be sure. Since its access rights need to be changed. 18:12 < mnemoc> and your 'varprefix' is wierd too 18:12 < rxr> minto: the prefix is garanteed to exist by the build system 18:12 < rxr> also $bindir, $sbindir, ... and all the others 18:13 < mnemoc> but is they are empty they get removed 18:13 < minto> is there something better for varprefix. If I don't give the corresponding confopt it will use I think usr/ 18:14 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E72D59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:16 < mnemoc> [044] - XLOGO 0.9.13 18:16 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - ack 18:18 < rxr> funny - the only german song I heared on the french mp3 stream is nena's 99 red baloon song ... 18:19 < rxr> 99 luftballons 18:19 < rxr> one time even in english ... *g* 18:19 < rxr> that was a new experience ... 18:19 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you saw my olist regression stopper ? 18:20 < minto> I can remove the mkdir -p but what about the varprefix? Ah I found it $localstatedir, isn't it? 18:20 < rxr> minto: I have not yet looked at your commit ... 18:22 < rxr> minto: I can tweak the commit message on the server side ... 18:22 < minto> Make the commit message: 18:22 < minto> Added mailman package version 2.1.5 18:22 < minto> Is this better? 18:22 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E72D59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:24 < rxr> minto: the "official" version is: 18:24 < rxr> * added mailman (2.1.5) 18:24 < rxr> minto: try consulting misc/archive/Commit.sh 18:24 < minto> I remeber that for next time. 18:24 < rxr> minto: great ,-) 18:25 < rxr> not that it is a big problem - we just want to get them in some common style 18:25 < rxr> that is a pretty parsed version: 18:25 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2 18:30 < valentin> rxr: 18:30 < valentin> == 17:26:13 =[9]=> Building graphic/gimp [2.2.4 2.1.0-rc2]. 18:30 < valentin> == 04/10/05 18:15:05 =[9]=> Finished building package gimp. 18:30 < rxr> when was the start ? 18:30 < valentin> see above 18:30 < rxr> ic 18:30 < rxr> so 71 minutes ... 18:30 < rxr> ah - no me confused ... 18:31 < valentin> about 50 minutes 18:31 < rxr> 15:49 < rxr> == 14:18:44 =[9]=> Building graphic/gimp [2.2.4 2.1.0-rc2]. 18:31 < rxr> 15:59 < rxr> == 04/10/05 15:58:12 =[9]=> Finished building package gimp. 18:31 < rxr> ... 18:32 < rxr> as I wrote we compare apple with oranges anyway ... 18:32 < valentin> 100 minutes 18:32 < valentin> that is twice as much as my time 18:32 < valentin> can't be chipset only 18:33 < rxr> that is indeed 2x ... 18:33 < rxr> mostly exactly ... 18:33 < rxr> valentin: what hgc 18:33 < rxr> gcc on your side ? 18:33 < rxr> 3.4 ... I hope .. 18:33 < rxr> I bulit for speed and you? size ? 18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_OPT='speed' 18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_ARCH='powerpc' 18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_POWERPC_ISA='powerpc' 18:34 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_POWERPC_OPT='750' 18:34 < mnemoc> minto: yes, $localstatedir is the var/ thing, but tha stuff is generated (if you change prefix) _after_ setconfopt 18:35 < rxr> just chaing prefix is a nodo ... 18:37 < mnemoc> rxr: repo for LOGO? 18:38 < mnemoc> it is written in java btw 18:38 < mnemoc> keinek: http://xlogo.free.fr/index-en.html <--- this seems to be a package for you 18:39 < minto> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2 18:39 < minto> I show up as (no author) :-( 18:39 < mnemoc> pff 18:40 < rxr> minto: I need to add your UID to the log pretifier ... 18:40 < rxr> mnemoc: emulator ? 18:40 < minto> It's not just me that show up like this. 18:40 < rxr> develop ? 18:41 < rxr> minto: I can imagine - sebastion, too 18:41 < mnemoc> i was pondering between those 18:41 < rxr> minto: I need to add the author == realname to the hash of the perl script ... 18:42 < minto> It's not really important to me. So take your time. 18:44 < rxr> ok - added 18:44 < rxr> I manually trigger the log parser ... 18:46 < rxr> minto: now you are in the list ,-) 18:46 < minto> Ouhhh nice, but still someone show up as no author (not me). 18:46 < sepp_> thats me 18:47 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 18:48 < valentin> rxr: gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 18:49 < rxr> so 18:49 < rxr> Minto van der Sluis: 18:49 < rxr> r8160 * added mailman (2.1.5) 18:50 < rxr> sepp: I see you correctly listed 18:50 < rxr> sepp: the only (no ahuthor) is initial import revision 0 ... 18:50 < sepp> ohh it changes lately 18:51 < rxr> yes - I justa 18:51 < rxr> added your ID with mintos ... 18:51 < rxr> so /me soon off ... 18:51 < mnemoc> gcc updates after rc1 please 18:52 < rxr> there is no gcc update ... 18:52 < rxr> so /me away - cu maybe later or tomorrow ... 18:53 < valentin> cu rxr 18:58 < minto> cu rxr 19:01 < minto> mnemoc: I tried localstatedir but it is not yet created at configure time. 19:01 < keinek> mnemoc, thanks for the link, is only for java? 19:03 < mnemoc> minto: on .conf time, no, but on preconf it is 19:04 < mnemoc> minto: you can't touch builddir directly on .conf, you have to do that stuff on hooks 19:05 < mnemoc> keinek: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/ <--- this is on C 19:05 < keinek> thanks 19:05 < keinek> click 19:05 < mnemoc> keinek: i have xlogo added on my reference if you want to take the patch 19:05 < mnemoc> bbl 19:13 < minto> mnemoc: I now have: 19:13 < minto> var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-var-prefix=$localstatedir" 19:13 < minto> This gives an error with standard (no hooking) configure 19:13 < minto> checking permissions on //var/opt/mailman... configure: error: 19:13 < minto> ***** Installation directory //var/opt/mailman is not configured properly! 19:13 < minto> ***** Directory doesn't exist: //var/opt/mailman 19:13 < minto> Due to previous errors, no 5-mailman.log file! 19:15 < minto> I think I already solved it. 19:18 < mnemoc> re 19:18 < mnemoc> is // the problem? 19:20 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8163 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.4 -> 2.2.6) 19:29 < CIA-9> msluis * r8164 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/mailman.conf: 19:30 < minto> Now I used misc/archive/Commit.sh but I was not asked to a message. 19:31 < minto> s/to/for 19:31 < sepp> the script extracts vversions from new / updated packages 19:32 < mnemoc> minto: if he doesn't propose you a good message, answer no 19:32 < minto> You mean, to the Log ok? question. 19:32 < mnemoc> yep 19:33 < mnemoc> empty log, is not ok 19:34 < minto> I thought it was for checking the diff. Hmm, better luck next time. 19:34 < minto> diff != Log. My mistake, sorry! 19:35 < mnemoc> :) 19:35 < mnemoc> rene is who will hate you, not me :) 19:38 < minto> rxr: I made a mistake using the Commit script, could replace the commit message for r8164 to: 19:38 < minto> * remove manual prefix directory creation. 19:38 < minto> * uses localstatedir now. 19:38 < minto> I hope he reads this. 19:41 < mnemoc> minto: Commit.sh currently only support Adds and Updates, it is a quite dumb awk script. 19:47 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8165 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.2.5 -> 2.2.7) 19:58 < rxr> re 19:58 < rxr> mnemoc: dumb ??? 19:58 < rxr> grummel ... 19:59 < rxr> either anything not starting with y - or Ctrl-C 19:59 < rxr> ,-) 20:01 < rxr> minto: log tweaked ... 20:07 < minto> Thanx 20:25 < CIA-9> msluis * r8166 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/ (mailman.conf mailman.desc postsysfiles.in): * Fixed copyrights, replaces exim -> mailman 21:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8167 /trunk/package/develop/swig/swig.conf: * modernized swig.conf 21:34 < CIA-9> rene * r8168 /trunk/package/develop/lua/ (. lua.cache lua.conf lua.desc): * added lua (5.0.2) 21:46 < minto> rxr: I want to add another package, jabberd. But I have some problems with the download location. How can I add the following download link to the .desc file? My straight forward approach did not work. 21:46 < minto> http://jabberstudio.org/projects/jabberd2/releases/download.php?file=jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz 21:47 < rxr> re 21:48 < rxr> I hope this would work 21:48 < rxr> [D] 0 jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz !http/ 21:48 < rxr> ... 21:49 < minto> What is the ! for? 21:49 < minto> It works 21:50 < minto> .. not, I get 21:50 < minto> ################################################ 21:50 < minto> Finished downloading 5091 bytes in 0.338 seconds (15062.130 bytes/sec). 21:50 < minto> curl: (47) Maximum (50) redirects followed 21:50 < minto> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 47. Please read the curl manpage. 21:52 < rxr> hm 21:53 < rxr> http://jabberstudio.2nw.net/jabberd2/jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz 21:53 < rxr> curl does sometimes not like the php redirecty ... 21:53 < rxr> redirects even 21:54 < minto> Shoul I configure it for manual download? 21:55 < rxr> no - just use the above url 21:55 < rxr> that is why 21:55 < rxr> what the php redirects to at the ened ... 21:55 < rxr> 21:53 < rxr> http://jabberstudio.2nw.net/jabberd2/jabberd-2.0s7.tar.gz 21:56 < minto> Hmm, I skipped that, I should read better. 21:56 < minto> How did you find this download location? 21:57 < rxr> I clicked on the link on the php site in konqueror .-) 21:57 < minto> Yeah, this works fine :-) 21:57 < rxr> usually I use wget or look what the server returns on telnet ... 21:58 < rxr> valentin: == 20:04:08 =[9]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11.6 2.1.0-rc2]. 21:58 < rxr> == 04/10/05 21:57:16 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26. 21:58 < rxr> iBook 21:59 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E72D59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:00 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E737C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:16 -!- maddin_ [~martin@pD9E73657.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:28 < valentin> ew 22:28 < valentin> re 22:29 < valentin> rxr: what is with the kernel time ? 22:35 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E737C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:39 -!- valentin changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 22:53 < minto> I gonna take my daily beauty nap, gn8 all 23:02 < valentin> gn8 minto 23:04 < maddin_> gn8 all 23:05 < valentin> n8 maddin_ 23:07 < sepp> is there a smart way to make one gimp-plugins pkg containing >1 plugin? 23:09 < sepp> with >1 i mean maybe 23 23:09 < valentin> you mean composed of several .tar.bziped source files ? 23:09 -!- maddin_ [~martin@pD9E73657.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:09 < sepp> yes 23:10 < valentin> i think you could add several [D]ownloads and tag which one are source files 23:10 < valentin> do you want to specify different config options ? 23:10 < valentin> hehe (from yaboot source code): 23:10 < valentin> /* I am fed up with lusers using the wrong partition type and 23:10 < valentin> mailing me *when* it breaks */ 23:11 < sepp> yes i understand this but i need to make a custmain for all plugins? 23:11 < valentin> warn = strcmp(entry, 23:11 < valentin> "I_know_the_partition_type_is_wrong_and_will_NOT_send_mail_when_booting_breaks"); 23:11 < valentin> sepp: i think there was a way not to do so 23:11 < sepp> that is what i search ;) 23:12 < valentin> mom, i search for a example in the package dir 23:14 < sepp> mom ? 23:14 < valentin> moment 23:15 < valentin> not mum ,) 23:15 < sepp> ahh 23:16 < valentin> i found some examples which build several files but i did not yet find one whith optional hooks and stuff 23:16 < valentin> shouldbe sth like [ "$somevar" == "pluginname" ] && hook_add special_for_pluginname 23:16 < valentin> or so ? 23:18 < sepp> hmm ugly as a very large custmain 23:18 < sepp> or not? 23:18 < valentin> why ? 23:19 < sepp> most plugins should work with build-pkg 23:19 < valentin> then you need to do nothing for those plugins 23:20 < sepp> so it runs build pkg in every dir? 23:20 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:21 < sepp> for every [D] plugin ... 23:22 < valentin> i think so - maybe you try ? 23:22 < sepp> ok 23:22 < sepp> thanks 23:24 < valentin> damn, the handbook is broken in this section 23:24 < valentin> (or my konqueror is too stupid) 23:26 < sepp> argh, sorry next time i will ask the handbook 23:26 < valentin> ah ok 23:26 < valentin> you need to specify [SRC] tarball1 tarball2 ..... in the desc file 23:27 < valentin> this will cause build_this_package to iterate over the files 23:27 < valentin> but i have no idea what it does for default when no [SRC] tag is given 23:27 < sepp> yes checked the pdf ... 23:28 < sepp> sorry for asking things explained in the handbook, i searched wrong keywords 23:29 < valentin> no problem - causes my to learn more.... 23:33 < sepp> is it a good idea to pack gimp plugins into one pkg? i think so but ladspa plugins for example are not one pkg 23:34 < sepp> at least to me it would make sense 23:36 < valentin> imo that depends on the nature of the plugins. Hughe and very special plugins could be sorted into single packages 23:37 < sepp> yes 23:38 < sepp> what i want is a easy way to select gim plugins 23:38 < valentin> install or build time ? 23:38 < sepp> both 23:39 < sepp> mainly build time 23:40 < sepp> as user i would like a easy way to say "build all gimp plugins" ... 23:40 < sepp> maybe divided into parts 23:41 < sepp> and not build plugin foo bar ... 23:43 < valentin> then simply create few packages create many plugins and the user can toggle his package selection 23:45 < sepp> ok, i will try to find a pattern 23:47 < sepp> what i really want to avoid is 50 gimp plugins in package/graphic ... 23:47 < valentin> yep 23:47 < valentin> sounds reasonable --- Log closed Mon Apr 11 00:00:04 2005