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01:22 < valentin> short re
01:57 < mnemoc> re
02:24 < CIA-9> amery * r8055 /trunk/package/base/mdadm/mdadm.desc: * updated mdadm (1.9.0 -> 1.10.0)
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03:16 < c4y0> hi
03:17 < mnemoc> hi ideal, c4y0 
03:17 < ideal> hi mnemoc
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07:53 < jeru_> moin
07:55 < rxr> re
07:55 < jeru_> oh moin rxr
07:58 < rxr> hi jeru_ 
07:58 < rxr> some time today I'll vanish when the telekom terminates my line ...
07:59 < rxr> this is scheduled to happen some time between 8:00 and 16:00 ...
07:59 < rxr> yes - in detail as usual ...
07:59 < jeru_> haha ... :D
07:59 < rxr> I hope they manage to transfer it to hanse net / alice smoothly - however I doubt that ...
08:00 < jeru_> rxr: think positive ... i know in the case of Telekom it's hard to do so ;)
08:01 < rxr> ack - very hard ...
08:03 < jeru_> hmmm ... strange ... gettext aborted to build in stage [1] while running a build over night ... but now it works. hmmm ?
08:03 < rxr> either hardware or parallel issue
08:04 < jeru_> what do you mean with hardware issue
08:04 < rxr> like memory corruption or overheating invalidating bits of memory ,-)
08:05 < jeru_> ahh ... ,-)
08:06  * jeru_ is taking a shower now
08:13 < CIA-9> rene * r8056 /trunk/package/ (base/daemon/ base/ifplugd/ develop/daemon/ network/ifplugd/): * moved base/ifplugd into network and base/daemon into develop
08:15 < rxr> I did not noticed before that the leader of this ubuntu fluff is this rich african that already brought hiself into space ...
08:23 < Minto> moin
08:23 < rxr> moin Minto !
08:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8057 /trunk/package/develop/daemon/daemon.conf: * fixed daemon for parallel make by running the ready target first
08:33 < CIA-9> rene * r8058 /trunk/package/base/ (00-dirtree/00-dirtree.desc 99-final/99-final.desc): (log message trimmed)
08:33 < CIA-9> * polished the new 99-final package slightly:
08:33 < CIA-9>  * more info text
08:33 < CIA-9>  * base category
08:33 < CIA-9>  * saner default stages
08:33 < CIA-9>  * no URL tag
08:33 < CIA-9>  * copyright patch
08:39 < jeru_> moin Minto :)
08:39 < Minto> moin jeru
08:45 < rxr> AbiWord v2.2.6 Released!
08:48 < jeru_> rxr: never used AbiWord till now. Does it work smoothly ?
08:49 < rxr> nope - I do not use any of the broken gnome related fluff ...
08:49 < rxr> KOffice works for me ...
08:50 < rxr> I do not trust C code for anything but the linux kernel ...
08:50 < jeru_> hehe ... :)
08:50 < rxr> and gnome is the example what broken code one can produce in C ...
08:50 < rxr> I just paste news ...
08:50 < rxr> jeru_: I can not find your bdb link in my log ...
08:50 < rxr> do you have it handy ?
08:50 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList 
08:50 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop:
08:50 < rxr> [5] gnome2/libgda                       [5] gnome2/libgnomedb
08:50 < rxr> 657 builds total, 655 completed fine, 2 with errors.
08:51 < jeru_> uhmm ... wait ... when did I commit the bdb update ?
08:52 < rxr> svn log running
08:52 < rxr> r7952 | chris | 2005-04-02 19:24:58 +0200 (Sat, 02 Apr 2005) | 3 lines
08:52 < rxr> Mika and Christian:
08:52 < rxr> * updated bdb (4.2.52 -> 4.3.27)
08:53 < jeru_> damn haven't bookmarked the damn thing ... where are the IRC logs ?
08:54 < rxr> I already grepped and lessed them ...
08:54 < rxr> http://dl.exactcode.de/irclogs/
08:54 < rxr> http://dl.exactcode.de/irclogs/t2
08:54 < jeru_> it must be on the log from 2.4.2005 ...
08:55 < jeru_> oh ... no log from the 2.4. available ?
08:56 < rxr> ouhm - as I wrote yesterday I forgot to /log start 1 and 2 after one damn disconnect ...
08:57 < rxr> yeah - I can imagine one can configure irssi to do this automatically - but never bothered to do so yet ...
08:57 < jeru_> rxr: wait ... will search it again ...
08:57 < rxr> thanks ,-)
08:58 < jeru_> no problem ,)
09:00 < jeru_> rxr: this was one thread -> http://www.mail-archive.com/garnome-list%40gnome.org/msg00306.html
09:01 < rxr> thanks - I take a look in a moment
09:01 < jeru_> hope this will help you
09:06 < jeru_> rxr: perhaps a look in the ChangeLog can help too -> http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/libgda/ChangeLog?rev=1.776
09:08 < rxr> so - one osx tweak done - now this bdb thing ... ,-)
09:12 < jeru_> rxr: we should run a full gnome regression test after every single commit ;)
09:12 < rxr> .oO(gnome should die)
09:12 < rxr> oh - have I written that ?
09:12 < rxr> *g*
09:12 < jeru_> bad rxr :D
09:13 < rxr> I try updating libgda - there is a .1 release
09:13 < rxr> let's see if this is already enough ...
09:14 < rxr> Updated external to revision 325.
09:14 < jeru_> but now as the "Novell Gnomes" are taking over to improve their desktop we shouldn't be offensive against anymore ;)
09:14 < rxr> wow - we are at that revision with our binary only OS X scanner application - wow
09:15 < rxr> ah - no - sorry - that is the scanenr driver - me was confused ,-)
09:15  * jeru_ handing a cup of coffee over to rxr ;)
09:16 < rxr> huh!
09:16 < rxr> I open an .svg in inkscape - looks fine
09:16 < rxr> I move an object and press save and Boom - the embedded bitmap is broken ?!?!
09:16 < rxr> .oO(what C crap did we talk about some minutes ago ...)
09:17 < rxr> == 09:14:18 =[5]=> Building gnome2/libgda [1.3.1 2.1.0-rc1].
09:17 < rxr> == 04/06/05 09:16:00 =[5]=> Aborted building package libgda.
09:17 < rxr> uhm
09:17 < jeru_> rxr: same problem ?
09:17 < rxr> yep - same bdb error ...
09:18 < jeru_> :/
09:18 < CIA-9> rene * r8059 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/libgda.desc: * updated libgda (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1)
09:19 < rxr> fix thereafter ...
09:20 < rxr> ouhm -- inkscape thing was abosolute path encoding in .svg
09:21 < rxr> however I wonder why it is able to load it in the first place and not anymore when it resaved the file to disk ...
09:21 < rxr> well - anyway - vi *.svg helped ...
09:21 < rxr> removing the leading path and inserting ./ ... ,-)
09:24 < rxr> patched libgda myself ...
09:24 < rxr> but thanks for the links ,-)
09:24 < jeru_> does it work now ?
09:24 < rxr> building - I will see soon if it fully builds ...
09:25 < rxr> no idea if it will crash later on when someone runs libgda bdb dependend stuff ...
09:25 < rxr> no idea what app that is ...
09:25 < jeru_> This package provides access to various databases for GNOME-2.
09:25 < jeru_> <-- # mine -p libgda
09:27 < rxr> guess none ... on my systems ...
09:27 < rxr> in my build only libgnomedb or so dailed ...
09:27 < rxr> failed even ...
09:27 < jeru_> damn ... 
09:28 < rxr> damns ?
09:28 < rxr> -s
09:28 < jeru_> <rxr> failed even ...
09:29  * jeru_ has to run away soon
09:30 < jeru_> ok ... cu later
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09:41 < rxr> well - people
09:41 < rxr> my phone is already dead
09:42 < rxr> so it might be I soon vanish until Hanse Net's Alice stuff takes over my DSL line ..
09:42 < _Ragnar_> O_O
09:42 < _Ragnar_> good luck
09:42 < rxr> thanks ,-)
09:42 < _Ragnar_> hope to see you soon :)
09:43 < rxr> but maybe it is that telekom intergrated and basically just reselling T-Com DSL stuff that my account keeps working the wohle day ?
09:43 < Minto> He that was my line
09:43 < Minto> hals und beinbruch :-)
09:43 < rxr> however I thought it would be some own stuff - since they only offer it in a few cities ...
09:43 < rxr> we'll see ...
09:44 < rxr> if my tiscali contract (that expires in 4 weeks) keeps working over tonight we know it is 100% resold T-DSL ...
09:44 < rxr> thanks Minto 
09:46 < _Ragnar_> :)
09:47 < rxr> and as we know that the account settings seem to work germany wide I can give those 4 weeks of tiscali flat to my brother in hannover - I hope at least that this will work ...
09:48 < rxr> sharing between lauenau and hannover (both lower saxony) worked ...
09:48 < rxr> as reported last week or so here ...
09:50 < rxr> == 04/06/05 09:50:22 =[5]=> Finished building package libgda.
09:50 < CIA-9> rene * r8060 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/recent-bdb.patch: * fixed compilation of libgda for recent bdbs ...
09:56 < rxr> > To create a disk image, either use Disk Utility or
09:56 < rxr> > hdiutil create -imagekey zlib-level=9 -format UDZO -srcfolder <srcfolder> <outputfile>
09:57 < rxr> I wonder if that will work - the scripted disk image creation I was was quite long and error prone ..
09:59 < rxr> hm - it did s.th. ...
09:59 < rxr> -rw-r--r--   1 rene  rene   206291  6 Apr 09:59 ExactScan-0.6.dmg
09:59 < rxr> -rw-r--r--   1 rene  rene   169181  6 Apr 09:58 ExactScan-0.6.tar.gz
09:59 < rxr> not quite space efficient - and obviously not embeddeding a file system for just stuffinf some files ...
10:03 < rxr> == 04/06/05 09:58:10 =[5]=> Finished building package libgnomedb.
10:04 < CIA-9> rene * r8061 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomedb/libgnomedb.desc: * updated libgnomedb (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1)
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10:11 < rxr> hi keinek_ 
10:11 [Users #t2]
10:11 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw   ] [ Mech  ] [ nzg      ] [ valentin] 
10:11 [ CIA-9   ] [ keinek ] [ Minto ] [ rxr      ] 
10:11 [ ideal_  ] [ keinek_] [ mnemoc] [ sparc-kly] 
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10:12 < Minto> rxr: you scared him off ;-)
10:13 < rxr> ouhm
10:14 < rxr> phone still dead
10:15 < Minto> IBM jre 142 done. Only IBM jdk remains before checkin.
10:17 < rxr> -)
10:21 < Minto> rxr: have you read my manual download stuff on the mailing list? I got no response, no objections so I think it is fine to commit it.
10:21 < rxr> hehe - you are fast ...
10:21 < rxr> let mnemoc and other awake first ,-)
10:21 < Minto> Ack
10:22 < rxr> I have not fully thought over it - I basically wanted to get my desktop error free this morning and some Mac OSX things polished
10:22 < rxr> and I consider visiting the university around 12
10:23 < Minto> Never mind I will want. Even though the changes are minimal.
10:34 < valentin> moin
10:34 < Minto> Hi valentin
10:34 < rxr> moin valentin 
10:35 < rxr> my OS X package script works now - so we can automatically / scripted create future packages
10:35 < rxr> no more this PackageMaker clickery ...
10:44 < valentin> that is good
10:46 < rxr> I automate the version injection for the various PackageMaker .xml fils now ...
10:46 < rxr> damn duplicated hell^Wmess ...
10:47 < rxr> I'm a bit tired ...
10:48 < valentin> rxr: then go to bed
10:49 < rxr> huh - I just stood up some hours ago ...
10:49 < valentin> we need you healthy :)
10:49 < rxr> maybe I should visit the university today and take a talk what can be done with this time expiry problem ...
10:55 < rxr> so
10:55 < rxr> at least no rocked sience ... *g*
10:58 < rxr> hm - I need to read the multiline matching of sed again ...
11:00 < rxr> ao - still no phone ...
11:00 < rxr> I think I start my drive to the uni ...
11:02 < rxr> cu then ...
11:02 < Mech> Hmm - no more 'free' bitkeeper ?  
11:03 < Mech> I rather liked monotone when I looked at it - but according to kernel trap - linus tried it and it was too slow :-(
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--- Log closed Wed Apr 06 13:51:35 2005
--- Log opened Wed Apr 06 13:53:33 2005
13:53 < rene_> hi
13:53 < rene_> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=28.5 ms
13:53 -!- You're now known as rxr
13:53 < keinek> hi
13:53 < rxr> wow - that is a speedup ... ,-)
13:53 < valentin> hi rxr
13:54 < Minto> hi rxr
13:55 < rxr> rehi valentin 
13:55 < valentin> rxr got alice ?
13:55 < rxr> yep
13:55 < rxr> tiscali stopped working while I was away ...
13:55 < rxr> so maybe it is more than tdsl resold ...
13:56 < valentin> nice ping times - almost as fast as qsc
13:56 < rxr> traceroute to www.heise.de (193.99.144.85), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1  213.191.89.3 (213.191.89.3)  10.815 ms  10.579 ms  10.187 ms 2  gi1-0-0.crju-01.ber.hansenet.net (213.191.88.17)  9.758 ms  18.045 ms  10.247 ms 3  so0-1-0.crju-0176-03-01.ham.hansenet.net (213.191.87.133)  16.164 ms  15.387 ms  20.432 ms 4  po4-0.cr-0176-03-02.ham.hansenet.net (213.191.75.125)  15.893 ms  15.568 ms  16.021 ms
13:56 < rxr>  5  gi1-0.pr0176-03-02.ham.hansenet.net (213.191..75.70)  15.910 ms  16.307 ms  16.204 ms 6  po2-0.pr-0243-01-03.ham.hansenet.net (213.191.76.122)  25.596 ms  26.160 ms  25.738 ms
13:56 < rxr> ok - /me a bit backgrounding soon ...
13:56 < valentin> hope they will not reconnect you so often like the tiscaly stuff
13:58 < rxr> hm - freshmeat and slashdot are a bit slow ..
13:58 < keinek> Red-Handed system Target is burning... ;)
13:58 < keinek> is everthing is ok.
13:58 < keinek> i will send that files to mnemoc :)
13:59 < sparc-kly> congratulations :D 
13:59 < keinek> hey sparc-kly you are wake up?
13:59 < keinek> please chage your status
14:00 < keinek> I never chage my status :P
14:00  * keinek is all night awake O.o
14:00 < rxr> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10220
14:00 < sparc-kly> i go to univ now . so away again 
14:00 < keinek> ok
14:02 < rxr> hm - their nameserver is sometimes very lagging ...
14:02 < keinek> yes
14:02 < keinek> is lagging
14:02 < rxr> hm - the 2nd one is faster ...
14:03 < keinek> Yeah! my black rewritable cd, was burn in 4x
14:03 < rxr> ah - with the osnews, slashdot and freshmeat also load way faster
14:03 < keinek> ok i will install t2 again.. see you in 20 min
14:03 < keinek> :)
14:03 < rxr> hm - their nameserver suck ...
14:03 < rxr> oh - wait
14:04 < rxr> oh - oh oh
14:04 < keinek> wait?
14:04 < rxr> maybe my bind is the problem - using some older hardcoded ones ... ?
14:04 < keinek> what happen rxr? someone error in the last trunk?
14:04 < keinek> errors of last time?
14:04 < Minto> keinek: rxr is testing his new ISP.
14:05 < keinek> ahhhh
14:05 < keinek> ok
14:05 < keinek> good luck
14:05 < keinek> in 20 min i will back and test that with you.
14:05 < keinek> :)
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14:05 < rxr> oh - yes
14:05 < rxr> used the former tiscali or so ones ...
14:06 < rxr> ok - that is faster ...
14:08 < rxr> bitkeeper no longer for free ?
14:08 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0504/37337.html
14:09 < rxr> hehe - maybe this will give us linux in a open source repository ... ,-)
14:12  * jeru_ says: Welcome back rxr :)
14:13 < rxr> 1522.36 kBit/
14:13 < rxr> 939.50 kBit/s
14:13 < rxr> ^- average ...
14:13 < rxr> the first was current 
14:13 < rxr> pulling 2.6 and downloading some images in the browser ...
14:13 < rxr> ok - this is definetly way faster than the tiscali dsl-xs version ,-)
14:14 < rxr> oeh sx even ...
14:14 < rxr> Max: 2861.88 kBit/s
14:18 < CIA-9> msluis * r8062 /trunk/package/java/jikes/jikes.desc: 
14:18 < CIA-9> * IBM has moved Jikes to sourceforge.
14:18 < CIA-9> * also modified the license to IBM CPL.
14:20 < rxr> valentin: regarding version injection into the installer XML files, should I mark the values so ti is obvious they get substituted - hower I do not need that for my sed regex ...
14:20 < rxr> any content between the tags will be altered ...
14:21 < rxr> but maybe it is nice for documentation purposes to mark them e.g. $minorver or so ?
14:29 < valentin> ??
14:30 < rxr> you do not knwo what I talk about ?
14:30 < valentin> half
14:30 < rxr> the installer needs this xml files 
14:30 < valentin> i never looked into those xml files
14:30 < rxr> (we never updated for the last releases since this is too boring)
14:30 < rxr> they contain versions
14:30 < rxr> and that in double and tripple form ...
14:30 < rxr> one here - another there, major at one end - minor in the middle and so on ..
14:31 < rxr> the usual OS X brain dead ness ...
14:31 < rxr> I want to inject them based on the bundle version we have in the main info.plist ...
14:31 < valentin> so you need a placeholder for substitution ?
14:31 < rxr> I just want to know if I should mark the to be replaced fields (done via sed of course in the auto package process) that they get substituted - e.g. throwing some $minorver or so in there ...
14:31 < rxr> no - I do not need a place holder ...
14:32 < rxr> we could either let the current 0.1.2 entries linger around - or blank the field ...
14:32 < rxr> well - maybe just blank them ...
14:37 < rxr> yes - works fine left blank - I commit those tags left blank, ok ?
14:37 < valentin> http://www.golem.de/0101/11657.html <- i wonder if the linux kernel has support for that one-
14:40 < rxr> no idea ...
14:40 < rxr> but I commit the blanked fields ,-)
14:41 < valentin> insert a "illegal version" there
14:41 < valentin> so we see when someone builds his own application with our code
14:42 < rxr> grr
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15:06 < sepp> hi
15:09 < Minto> hi sepp
15:10 < sepp> hi Minto 
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15:13 < keinek> hi guys
15:13 < keinek> i back
15:13 < keinek> i have one new error
15:13 < keinek> the config of NETWORK in stone.
15:13 < keinek> dont save
15:13 < keinek> and dont work.
15:14 < keinek> rxr, some change in the stone network ??
15:17 < keinek> is anybody inthere?
15:19 < keinek> :'(
15:19 < Minto> Hi keinek. 
15:19 < valentin> keinek: rxr did some changes in ROCK net
15:19 < keinek> ohh no...
15:19 < rxr> keinek: I changed all the pathes of ROCK Net ...
15:19 < valentin> esp some file moves
15:19 < keinek> lakjsd lkajsdlkj lkjasdl (head in the keywoard)
15:19 < rxr> I can track errors causes by this soon
15:19 < valentin> does not matter, you can easily edit the config per hand
15:20 < rxr> valentin: if the backend works at all ...
15:20 < keinek> ok
15:20 < keinek> so... the error is real?
15:20 < valentin> we have one test-rabbit her :)
15:20 < valentin> keinek: you can try
15:20 < keinek> ok i listen.
15:21 < valentin> rxr: the new config location was /etc/conf/network ?
15:21 < keinek> why dont save the config?
15:21 < keinek> some way to do that?
15:21 < valentin> i guess because the old dir does not exist anymore
15:21 < keinek> etc/network
15:21 < keinek> i have one copy of etc
15:21 < keinek> the last /etc
15:21 < keinek> ;)
15:22 < keinek> i copy that file, and will work :)
15:22 < valentin> etc from what distribution ?
15:22 < keinek> t2
15:22 < keinek> the last i have
15:22 < keinek> a 13 min ago.
15:22 < valentin> hm
15:22 < rxr> I boot into linux and track errors nearby
15:23 < rxr> but I'll not have much time in the next 23h 
15:23 < rxr> I have to do some electronics - I have a reexamination tomorrow ...
15:23 < keinek> ok... i be back in 2 min
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15:23 < valentin> rxr: so why are you still here ?
15:24 < valentin> keinek: i guess i will boot into linux in about 6 hours or so
15:24 < valentin> then i can take a look, too
15:24 < valentin> in the moment i am in OSX and later i will visit a hospital
15:25 < valentin> oh - he is away
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15:27 < keinek> the error still
15:27 < keinek> that kind of error sucks!
15:27 < keinek> :)
15:27 < valentin> keinek: i guess i will boot into linux in about 6 hours or so
15:27 < keinek> but... i up the network by hand.
15:27 < valentin> then i can take a look, too
15:28 < valentin> keinek: that error will be fixed in the next 2 days for sure
15:28 < keinek> i sad ... my first target have that erro :'(
15:28 < keinek> i need compile all again?
15:28 < valentin> no !
15:28 < valentin> you just fetch the new files / emerge the package
15:28 < keinek> i want a iso without that error.
15:28 < keinek> ahh ok
15:28 < valentin> even that is possible
15:29 < valentin> you still have the build dir ?
15:29 < valentin> then you can run a Built-Target -cfg .... -job ....
15:29 < valentin> as soon as that is finished
15:29 < valentin> after that run a Build-Tartget -cfg ....
15:29 < valentin> and then re-create the iso
15:30 < valentin> but wait until it is fixed
15:30 < keinek> yes
15:30 < keinek> i still have the build dir
15:30 < keinek> ;)
15:45 < rxr> re
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15:49 < rxr> welcom mnemoc_ 
15:49 < Minto> Hi mnemoc_
15:52 < sepp> rxr: the desktop target has sylpheed, it should include metamail
15:53 < sepp> sylpheed uses metamail for gpg and you get silly errors if you dont have metamail installed
15:53 < rxr> hm
15:54 < rxr> or I remove sylpheed *g*
15:54 < jeru_> seems that mnemoc has cloned himself but is still hiding :)
15:54 < rxr> sepp: do you use sylpheed?
15:54 < sepp> yes
15:54 < sepp> rxr: yes
15:54 < rxr> ok .-)
15:54 < rxr> then I add metamail ,-)
15:54 < sepp> hehe
15:54 < rxr> valentin: are you here?
15:54 < valentin> yes
15:54 < rxr> if so, could you paste my wep key into the qery?
15:55 < valentin> .oO
15:55 < valentin> mom
15:55 < rxr> that would save me from starting X and opening the secure IMAP tunnel and so on ...
15:55 < rxr> thanks
15:55 < rxr> keinek: where did you get an network config error?
15:55 < rxr> basically it works here
15:55 < rxr> what should I test ?
15:55 < valentin> rxr: save it in some text file
15:57 < rxr> I save it in /etc/conf/network ...
15:57 < sepp> hmm emacs-maxima-mode in the desktop target without maxima does not make much sense
15:58 < rxr> yes definetly ...
15:58 < rxr> sepp: thanks for review
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15:59 < sepp> gladly happen
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16:01 < sepp> emacs-matlab-mode is also useless in desktop i think
16:03 < valentin> maybe just add a conditional for this package ?
16:04 < valentin> ok, we have no matlap at all as a package
16:04 < sepp> its commercial right?
16:04 < sepp> like mathematica
16:05 < keinek> hi rxr
16:05 < keinek> the error is that network dont save
16:05 < keinek> i config by hand gw
16:05 < keinek> ip
16:05 < keinek> evething..  like usual.
16:05 < keinek> but dont work.
16:05 < keinek> the script detect the eth0
16:06 < keinek> but in the end dont remember the config.
16:11 < rxr> ok ic
16:11 < rxr> fix in some seconds
16:17 < keinek> thanks :)
16:32 < mnemoc_> moin
16:34 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 
16:34 < valentin> moin
16:34 < keinek> moin
16:34 < keinek> :P
16:35 < mnemoc_> moin rxr, valentin, keinek-chan
16:36 < jeru_> moin mnemoc :)
16:36 < Minto> moin mnemoc_
16:36 < sepp> moin mnemoc :)
16:37 < Minto> mnemoc_: ftp all that java stuff is nearly finished.
16:37 < rxr> ah - last typo found
16:37 < keinek> moin mnemoc_-sama
16:40 < Minto> mnemoc_: ftp is done.
16:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8063 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_network.sh: * fixed rock net stone basically
16:43 < mnemoc_> Minto: thanks :)
16:43 < mnemoc_> hi sepp
16:43 < mnemoc_> sepp: i saw you got applied your evil rubygems 
16:44 < sepp> mnemoc_: hmm is it that evil?
16:44 < mnemoc_> nah
16:45 < valentin> i have to go now
16:45 < valentin> cu later
16:45 < mnemoc_> rxr: after i bougth the damn transformer i got an almost-positive answer from customer service, i think i'll get two adapters 
16:45 < sepp> the problem with ruby libs/apps is that nearly every package uses a other way to install
16:46 < mnemoc_> sepp: we have a 'mainfunction' which is set to build_this_package by default, but (on 2.2?) you can replace it by a build_ruby_package that solves this problem
16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8064 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_network.sh: * further rock net stone module cleanup and debut set -x removal
16:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: good - so you have a one in reserve the next time ...
16:48 < rxr> we could modularize the make vs. scons vs. imake vs. autoconf stuff in 2.1 also ...
16:48 < rxr> with parse config injected plugins ..
16:48 < rxr> however I have to learn a bit now ..
16:48 < rxr> keinek: rocknet should be fixed now
16:48 < rxr> keinek: thanks for beeing the first one testing the new stuff ..
16:48 < rxr> works for me now ...
16:49 < rxr> keinek: just rebuild the sysfiles package
16:49 < rxr> the rocknet stone module is in cluded in it ...
16:49 < rxr> ofcourse svn up first ,-)
16:49 < rxr> mnemoc_: I have way faster internet now ...
16:49 < rxr> 30ms ping to major german sites - insted of 70 before ...
16:50 < rxr> and real 1500 kb/s ... (was s.th. like 768 or so before ...)
16:50 < keinek> thanks you rxr
16:50 < rxr> keinek: no problem
16:50 < mnemoc_> rxr: wow
16:50 < rxr> sorry that I left it slightly screwed up ...
16:50 < rxr> mnemoc_: kbit/s of course not kB ...
16:50 < mnemoc_> yes i know, but is very good for a DSL
16:54  * jeru_ is moving home now ...mnemoc: will you be still here in 1h ?
16:55 < mnemoc_> yes, 2 more hours here
16:55 < jeru_> ok :)
16:55 < jeru_> cu then
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16:56 < Minto> mnemoc_: could you have a look a the manual download stuff I posted in the mailing list. I'd like to commit thing, but only if you agree. I also have IBM java jre and jdk waiting.
16:57  * Minto needs to do some shopping, be right back.
16:57 < mnemoc_> ok Minto 
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17:15 < rxr> 17:15:36 (227.65 KB/s) - `OpAmp1.pdf' saved [497857/497857]
17:16 < mnemoc_> oh
17:17 < mnemoc_> did you payed for it?
17:18 < rxr> officially I have 1500
17:18 < rxr> no idea how exact the traffic shaping is ...
17:18 < rxr> I'll now soon ...
17:20 < mnemoc_> http://only.mawhrin.net/~mss/thingies/authz/ <--- nice toy
17:20 < rxr> oh - kpdf from 3.4 is able to correctly display mixed landscape portrait documents
17:21 < mnemoc_> .oO
17:21 < mnemoc_> i hope we get able to split kde packages when we implement foo-% :)
17:22 < mnemoc_> rxr: regression doesn't look that good
17:23 < mnemoc_> rxr: there are certain broken packages which make big troubles
17:24 < rxr> mnemoc_: I fixed libgda ...
17:24 < rxr> what else is a big regressor ?
17:25 < rxr> I hope none of the regressions is caused by me ..
17:25 < mnemoc_> nope
17:26 < mnemoc_> paragui  is a problem too
17:26 < mnemoc_> uhm... zope is broken too?
17:27 < mnemoc_> ic, zope rejected to build with pyhton 2.4.1
17:29 < rxr> ...
17:30 < rxr> mnemoc_: who needs paragui - don't update it ... ,-)
17:30 < mnemoc_> it has dependants
17:30 < rxr> yeah - so don't update it ...
17:33 < mnemoc_> i'll check if reverting the local update fix the problem
17:34 < mnemoc_> but i think it's due to another already-applied-updates
17:34 < mnemoc_> clisp has been 'building' for three hours, and 2:20 of those idling....
17:34 < mnemoc_> i'll have to kill it again
17:35 < rxr> damn ...
17:35 < sepp> on my athlon build it works, maybe its an p4 problem?
17:37 < keinek> clisp has been building one time 15 hs :D
17:38 < mnemoc_> root     16506  0.0  0.4   5028  3428 pts/2    T    09:41   0:00 gdb -n -batch -x /tmp/gdbcomm16498 /TOOLCHAIN/src.clisp.1112794438.10901.a8c00201/clisp-2.33.2/src/lisp.run
17:38 < mnemoc_> how can i kill a 'T' process?
17:38 < keinek> reboot?
17:38 < mnemoc_> keinek: to much windows in your life
17:39 < keinek> yeah i know... but still works
17:39 < keinek> :)
17:39 < rxr> keinek: lol ...
17:39 < mnemoc_> :)
17:39 < keinek> killall -9 dont work for that?
17:39 < mnemoc_> nope
17:39 < rxr> valentin: a german newspaper magazine asks if we want to do a special desktop version for their july or so CD ..
17:40 < rxr> oh - well - no - due to 10.05
17:40 < rxr> oh - well - no - due to 
17:40 < mnemoc_> rxr: :D
17:40 < rxr> I guess they want it colorful and clicky - that is a problem in that timeframe ...
17:41 < rxr> me on the sofa - reading - cu 
17:41 < mnemoc_> sepp: keinek has atholon too
17:41 < keinek> yes... but the test this time was in k6-3
17:41 < keinek> sorry
17:41 < keinek> my target dont have clisp :)
17:41 < sepp> mnemoc_: yes remember strange problem
17:42 < keinek> today is a beautiful day for trash clisp :)
17:42 < keinek> hakuna matata (lion king)
17:43 < sepp> mnemoc_: a desktop build is running maybe it has to do something with package selection
17:43 < mnemoc_> yes, i think that too
17:43 < sepp> for the other box i used <300 packages ...
17:44 < mnemoc_> i only have 1491 selected packages there :)
17:44 < keinek> i only have less than 300 packages
17:44 < keinek> like sepp
17:47 < sepp> maxima works with gcl ,)
17:47 < sepp> its the only use for clisp?
17:47 < mnemoc_> i guess
17:47 < mnemoc_> we can move clisp to attic i think
17:48 < sepp> i will try to build maxima with gcl 
17:50 < CIA-9> amery * r8065 /trunk/package/audio/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * injected copyright note to some audio packages
17:51 < mnemoc_> thanks
17:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: while printing some papers about transformers (switching power supplies) I get a new argument why 150EUR for a simple device as it is unresonable - for that price you should get a cheap b/w laser printer ... !!!
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17:54 < jeru_> re
17:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: don't forget the shipping and taxes :) but yes, US$150 to get the transformer in 3 weeks in my house is _very_ expensive
17:55 < mnemoc_> re jeru_ 
17:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: i did some selected syncs in my ref and reshedule
17:56 < rxr> mnemoc_: well - you get a cheap laster printer for less than 150EUR over here including taxes and such ,-)
17:56 < rxr> hi jeru_ 
17:56 < mnemoc_> :)
17:58 < rxr> however currently a EUR is 1.3x US$ I think ...
17:59 < mnemoc_> good to know
17:59 < jeru_> hi folks ... was just out for looking at mnemocs ref build
18:00 < CIA-9> amery * r8066 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3)
18:00 < mnemoc_> i think i fixed zope, but i need to wait to be sure
18:00 < jeru_> uhm ... I guess you added python2.4.1 to the configure patch ,)
18:01 < mnemoc_> yep :)
18:01 < jeru_> :)
18:01 < mnemoc_> that was a hard one :p
18:01 < jeru_> damn ... you were quicker
18:01 < jeru_> :D
18:02 < mnemoc_> hehe
18:03 < jeru_> mnemoc: as I see the zope patch isn't committed yet ... will test my local zope now
18:03 < jeru_> :)
18:03 < mnemoc_> i don't commit without at least simple testing
18:04 < jeru_> that's why I'll test it now ,)
18:04 < mnemoc_> good :) i'm rebuilding 1-linux24 so i need some time to get zope again
18:05 < jeru_> hehe
18:05 < jeru_> hmmm ... but I think it would be very handy to have the possibility for installing multiple python versions
18:06 < mnemoc_> jeru_: we will have to wait until foo-% for that
18:06 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/log/5-e-utils.err
18:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: can you try deleting the ecore download file and refetch from CVS ?
18:11 < rxr> I had s.th. simillar on susans iBook - howeer regetting the CVS made those missing functions show up
18:11 < rxr> no idea how that can happen with the date spec ...
18:11 < rxr> however it did ...
18:11 < rxr> you can simply get the tarball from my mirrors ...
18:13 < mnemoc_> rxr: ok
18:13 < keinek> how rebuild something package in the build?
18:13 < sepp> mnemoc_: maxima does not work with gcl :(
18:13 < keinek> in the Build-Target?
18:14 < mnemoc_> sepp: :'(
18:15 < mnemoc_> Build-Target -cfg foo -job 5-package
18:15 < sepp> looks like gcl is not ansi lisp conform
18:15 < keinek> thanks mnemoc
18:15 < keinek> "5"-packege that "5" is necesary?
18:16 < keinek> Mmmm dont work.
18:16 < CIA-9> amery * r8067 /trunk/package/ (29 files in 22 dirs): 
18:16 < CIA-9> * injected more copyright notes
18:16 < CIA-9> * updated cache file for gnome-media and pixieplus
18:16 < keinek> how rebuild sysfiles?
18:17 < mnemoc_> you have to use the stages where you want the package rebuilt
18:17 < keinek> ok how force to rebuild?
18:17 < mnemoc_> maybe remove it first
18:17 < keinek> -force ?
18:17 < mnemoc_> nope
18:18 < keinek> ok.. example "sysfiles"
18:18 < keinek> i need rebuild that package.
18:18 < keinek> is the first time that i need that.
18:18 < keinek> :)
18:18 < keinek> for the log :P
18:18 < mnemoc_> [P] X -1-3---7-9 202.500 <-- stages 1,3,7 and 
18:18 < mnemoc_> 9
18:18 < mnemoc_> rebuild 1 and 3
18:19 < keinek> ok thanks... so i must see the package list and looking for the stages
18:19 < keinek> right...
18:19 < keinek> i understand
18:19 < keinek> thanks
18:19 < jeru_> mnemoc: you've to wait with rebuilding zope in the ref build because there will come an update for it too
18:20 < mnemoc_> ok
18:20 < keinek> is easy.
18:20 < keinek> when i learn is easy :P
18:21 < mnemoc_> i told you, T2 is easy :)
18:22 < mnemoc_> rxr: will you change my mirrors to /$ver ?
18:23 < rxr> well - currently it does use the major version - I would need to do some changes to support any version ...
18:23 < mnemoc_> ok
18:23 < rxr> are you sure you want to run it per version? have you that much disk space ?
18:24 < mnemoc_> using per version i'm using less space than before
18:24 < rxr> as you with
18:24 < rxr> wish even
18:24 < mnemoc_> and i want to provide the files of every released T2 after 2.1.0-beta3
18:24 < mnemoc_> :)
18:25 < rxr> I implement it the next minute I feel too
18:25 < rxr> maybe this evening
18:25 < mnemoc_> ok... the old location is working too
18:26 < Minto> mnemoc_: Have you had any change to look at the manual download stuff?
18:27 < mnemoc_> i'm not sure if using altdir is right
18:28 < Minto> Why?
18:29 < rxr> mnemoc_: IIRC we also have this old style layout support - we could rip that out soon ...
18:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes
18:29 < Minto> mnemoc_: Download script says:
18:29 < Minto>             -alt-dir)
18:29 < Minto>                 # check for an alternative directory where to search for
18:29 < Minto>                 # package source tarballs
18:29 < Minto>                 options="$options -alt-dir $2"
18:30 < Minto>                 altdir=$2 ; shift ; shift ;;
18:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: what do you think, -alt-dir for manual != $HOME or it's own -manual-dir ?
18:31 < mnemoc_> Minto: does it work ok for -manual:// ?
18:31 < Minto> Yepp
18:31 < Minto> IBM java package use -manual;??
18:31 < Minto> ?? = //
18:32 < mnemoc_> :D
18:32 < mnemoc_> nice
18:32 < Minto> I thought so
18:32 < mnemoc_> OT: did you see apache-ant error?
18:32 < Minto> What error? I have not tried it yet.
18:33 < Minto> I want to clean apache ant, tomcat and maybe others.
18:33 < mnemoc_> good
18:33 < mnemoc_> mr. java maintainer
18:34 < mnemoc_> kaffe needs to be updated to, the did lot of improvents on feb-mar
18:34 < Minto> But the thing is, I don't want to check for specific jdk packages. I need some kind of JAVA global.
18:34 < Minto> I'll look at kaffe later.
18:35 < mnemoc_> do you have an idea on how to implement alternative java cheap?
18:35 < mnemoc_> rxr: OT: why do we use -foo instead of the classic --foo ?
18:36 < Minto> Not yet.
18:36 < Minto> I don't want something like:
18:36 < Minto> if pkginstalled sun | ibm | blackdown
18:36 < mnemoc_> | kaffe :)
18:36 < Minto> sure
18:36 < sepp> | gcj 
18:37 < mnemoc_> hehe
18:37 < Minto> I want something like:
18:37 < Minto> if ! JAVA_SDK then
18:37 < Minto>    message "need some kind of sdk"
18:38 < mnemoc_> package roles are much simpler when only one can live on a single build
18:38 < Minto> Can I use JAVA_HOME env var in .conf scripts?
18:38 < mnemoc_> you would need to do something on parse-config
18:38 < Minto> It is fine to have one on a single build. But the .conf file should not need to know which one.
18:39 < CIA-9> chris * r8068 /trunk/package/zope/zope/ (configure-python24.patch zope.desc): 
18:39 < CIA-9> * updated Zope (2.7.4-0 -> 2.7.5)
18:39 < CIA-9> * updated configure-python24.patch for using Zope with python-2.4.1
18:39 < CIA-9> * Note: current Zope Version isn't tested excessively with Python-2.4.1 for now
18:39 < Minto> I mean the .conf of various java packages like ant or tomcat.
18:39 < mnemoc_> yes, parse-config
18:39 < Minto> How do I use parse-config?
18:39 < mnemoc_> parse-config are files sourced on every build
18:40 < jeru_> mnemoc: you know what to do regarding zope ;p
18:40 < mnemoc_> jeru_: ok :)
18:40 < mnemoc_> svn up package/*/zope
18:40 < jeru_> mnemoc: but I don't understand the strange snort error on your ref build ... 
18:41 < mnemoc_> neither do i
18:41 < jeru_> hmmm ?
18:42 < mnemoc_> Minto: inside it you can: JAVA_SDK=; if pkgintalled sun-crap; then JAVA_SDK=$(pkgprefix ); elif pkginstall blackbox; then ....... fi
18:42 < mnemoc_> jeru_: i don't understand neither
18:42 < Minto> mnemoc_: I will have a look
18:43 < mnemoc_> Minto: but you will have to choose a java package to house it :p
18:44 < Minto> Do you know an example for inspiration.
18:44 < mnemoc_> nope
18:44 < mnemoc_> but there is no rule
18:44 < mnemoc_> just a simple bash code to export JAVA_SDK according to what it is installed
18:46 < sepp> mnemoc_: maxima works now ;) 
18:46 < mnemoc_> gcl?
18:46 < sepp> yes
18:46 < mnemoc_> :D
18:47 < sepp> patch is in the ml
18:47 < CIA-9> chris * r8069 /trunk/package/develop/cheetah/cheetah.desc: * changed [P] (300.000 -> 200.000) because prewikka depends on it
18:47 < sepp> gcl's default config is to build a sort of old non std lisp not ansi cl
18:47 < jeru_> mnemoc: please reschedule cheetah and prewikka
18:48 < mnemoc_> ok
18:48 < CIA-9> amery * r8070 /trunk/package/textproc/txt2regex/txt2regex.desc: * updated txt2regex (0.7 -> 0.8)
18:48 < mnemoc_> jeru_: just 8069?
18:49 < jeru_> mnemoc: at least for getting prewikka to build
18:49 < mnemoc_> ok
18:50 < jeru_> mnemoc: prewikka just depends on cheetah, which depends on python ,)
18:50 < mnemoc_> :)
18:50 < mnemoc_> python python python
18:50 < mnemoc_> i think i'll have to get used to that language
18:50 < jeru_> hehe :)
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc_: nope - don't force you to s.t. ugly ...
18:51 < mnemoc_> it's everywhere
18:51 < jeru_> rxr: have ever did some python scripting ? ,)
18:51 < mnemoc_> but i reject to code without using tabs
18:52 < jeru_> rxr: at least I like it more than java ;)
18:52 < rxr> jeru_: yes - otherwise I would not hate it so much
18:52 < rxr> well - maybe - but not much better ...
18:52 < sepp> lol
18:52 < rxr> *g*
18:53 < jeru_> sepp: I just waited about a comment from you ;)
18:53 < Minto> rxr: C++ is also ugly, if you hate all other languages, what's left?
18:53 < sepp> asm
18:53 < Minto> Yeah, let's use asm for T2 :-D
18:54 < mnemoc_> lisp!
18:54 < mnemoc_> we can code T2 2.2 on prolog too
18:54 < sepp> lovly ()
18:54 < Minto> are you sure. I remembered some clisp thing today.
18:54 < jeru_> mnemoc: arrrgggghhhh  .... :)
18:54 < mnemoc_> Minto: gcl :)
18:55 < mnemoc_> jeru_: a friend coded a distributed shared memory manager on swi-prolog :\
18:56 < jeru_> mnemoc: that sounds quite interesting ... but will not change my opinion ;)
18:56 < Minto> Mayby we could use smiley. It also a computer language but I couldn't find a reference.
18:57 < jeru_> Minto: not ? you're on the #t2 !
18:57 < Minto> =:-) >8-o
18:59 < mnemoc_> rxr: we need to see what to do on scripts/config.in:192 when $oldconfig
19:04  * jeru_ is away for doing some sports now - cu you later all
19:04 < Minto> jeru_: have fun
19:04 < jeru_> :)
19:07 < Minto> mnemoc_: I still don't know about the parse-config. I did grep on all packages and none use it.
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19:22 < rxr> Minto: I never said C++ is ugly ...
19:22 < Minto> rxr: But I do :-)
19:22 < rxr> Minto: the only things in C++ that are problematic are some unstricness left over from ansi C and some inconsistencies where multiple inheritance as well as templates are not thought out ...
19:23 < rxr> Minto: hehe
19:23 < rxr> a C+++ would be nice ...
19:23 < rxr> more C crap cleaned and the rea
19:23 < rxr> missing ++ bits filled in ... ,-)
19:23  * rxr evening dinner - cu soon
19:23 < Minto> enjoy
19:28 < CIA-9> msluis * r8071 /trunk/scripts/Download: 
19:28 < CIA-9> * added file:// download location support.
19:28 < CIA-9> * added manual:// download location support (depends on file://).
19:28 < CIA-9> * manual downloads from $HOME or from any other directory when option -alt-dir set.
19:33 < mnemoc_> re
19:33 < mnemoc_> Minto: parseconfig?
19:33 < mnemoc_> mom
19:34 < mnemoc_> # ls -1 package/*/*/parse-config | wc -l
19:34 < mnemoc_> 19
19:36 < Minto> Ahh, I looked for parse-config inside .conf or .desc files.
19:40 < CIA-9> msluis * r8072 /trunk/package/java/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
19:40 < CIA-9> * Added IBM java 1.4.2 1a support
19:40 < CIA-9> * both jre and jdk
19:40 < CIA-9> * supporting x86, x86-64, ppc and ppc64
19:46 < mnemoc_> :)
19:47 < Minto> mnemoc_: Now you have all the ingredients
19:48 < CIA-9> amery * r8073 /trunk/package/python/wxpython24/wxpython24.conf: * descustomized wxpython24
19:48 < mnemoc_> Minto: i?
19:49 < Minto> Yes you. But it is up to you to decide what to do with it. :-D
19:49 < Minto> You have the packages and the downloads
19:50 < mnemoc_> o_O
19:51 < Minto> Don't worry. I don't mind if you don't want to use it. But why did you want my downloads then?
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19:51 < keinek> hi again
19:51 < Minto> Hi keinek
19:51 < keinek> network in stone still dont work for me
19:51 < keinek> i rebuilt sysfiles
19:51 < keinek> i create the iso and test evething
19:51 < mnemoc_> Minto: to try java on my reference :)
19:51 < keinek> stone dont keep the config.
19:52 < mnemoc_> uhm?
19:52 < keinek> stone dont keep the config of interface.
19:53 < Minto> mnemoc_: like I said, now you have all the ingredients :-D
19:53 < mnemoc_> :)
19:54 < Minto> mnemoc_: by the way, how are your daughters doing? Are the viruses under control?
19:54 < mnemoc_> keinek: review you /etc/conf/network
19:55 < keinek> i do svn up just 1 hour ago
19:55 < keinek> now i do again.
19:55 < keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_script.sh
19:55 < keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_base.sh
19:55 < keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_dns.sh
19:55 < keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_sysctl.sh
19:55 < mnemoc_> Minto: they still ill but they don't need kinesiolosit :)
19:55 < Minto> :-)
19:55 < mnemoc_> <mnemoc_> keinek: review you /etc/conf/network
19:55 < keinek> that fix meaby correct the problem?
19:55 < keinek> why?!
19:55 < mnemoc_> keinek: no, does are copyright notes
19:55 < mnemoc_> those*
19:55 < keinek> if before in all my install work!
19:56 < keinek> i was install the system again.
19:56 < keinek> i want that stone create that files for me
19:56 < mnemoc_> "stone dont keep the config of interface" can mean two things
19:56 < keinek> ok
19:56 < mnemoc_> it doesn't read or it doesn't write
19:56 < keinek> when i create the new config.
19:56 < keinek> stone dont keep the new config
19:56 < keinek> i cant create new interface.
19:56 < mnemoc_> please see if you /etc/conf/network is ok
19:57 < keinek> mnemoc, if i install the last iso that create last week, in stone i can configure the eth0
19:57 < keinek> now , no.
19:58 < keinek> i enter in network... i said "Hey! you have a eth0!" Yiipy!!!!
19:58 < keinek> i config all.
19:58 < keinek> but nothing save.
19:58 < keinek> i enter again.
19:58 < keinek> "Hey! you have a eth0!"
19:58 < keinek> for ever in a infinity circle.
19:59 < mnemoc_> grep rocknet_base /etc/stone.d/mod_network.sh
19:59 < keinek> bash-3.00# grep rocknet_base /etc/stone.d/mod_network.sh
19:59 < keinek> export rocknet_base="/lib/network" # export needed for subshells ...
19:59 < keinek>                 done < <( cd $rocknet_base/ ; grep public_ * | sed -e \
19:59 < keinek>                 done < <( cd $rocknet_base/ ; grep -h public_ $module.sh \
19:59 < keinek> bash-3.00#   
20:00 < keinek> meaby need svn up again?
20:00 < mnemoc_> no
20:00 < mnemoc_> can you add by hand:
20:00 < mnemoc_> interface eth0
20:00 < mnemoc_>       ip 1.1.1.1/24
20:00 < mnemoc_>       gw 1.1.1.2
20:00 < mnemoc_> to your /etc/conf/network
20:00 < mnemoc_> and see if stone see it?
20:01 < keinek> network file is emplty
20:02 < mnemoc_> can you please add by hand content to it and see if stone see it?
20:02 < keinek> yes
20:02 < keinek> yes
20:03 < keinek> now stone see the config
20:03 < keinek> and read so the resolv that i was modify by hand
20:03 < mnemoc_> do you have a file called /etc/conf/network.new ?
20:04 < keinek> no
20:04 < keinek> bash-3.00# ls
20:04 < keinek> console  hardware  kernel   network-getprofile  NOTE  profile  usb
20:04 < keinek> devfs    kbd       network  network-profile     pci   sound
20:04 < keinek> bash-3.00#  
20:04 < mnemoc_> if you change your injected content on stone, does it change?
20:05 < keinek> just... meaby
20:05 < keinek> let me see
20:05 < keinek> oh man!
20:05 < keinek> now stone start agan
20:06 < keinek> Unconfigured interface eth0 detected. Do you want to create an interface section.
20:06 < keinek> meaby when i exit stone... the config will delete
20:06 < mnemoc_> ok, minute
20:06 < keinek> yes... 
20:06 < keinek> if i exit stone... network is overwriting...
20:06 < keinek> 0 k
20:06 < keinek> emptly
20:07 < mnemoc_> inject content, start stone on that part
20:08 < keinek> if inject content, stone show me the content ejected.
20:08 < mnemoc_> from another vc watch the content of etc/conf/network and etc/conf/network.new
20:08 < keinek> but when i exit... stone delete the content injected
20:08 < mnemoc_> keinek: i got that part the first time you say it
20:10 < keinek> ok
20:10 < keinek> i was inject the content
20:10 < keinek> i was running stone... and stone show me the correct config.
20:10 < keinek> and now?
20:10 < keinek> ahh i was looking etc/conf and for now network.new not exist
20:10 < mnemoc_> <mnemoc_> from another vc watch the content of etc/conf/network and etc/conf/network.new
20:11 < mnemoc_> network has your content?
20:11 < keinek> network is ok
20:11 < keinek> but i can see network.new
20:11 < mnemoc_> can or can't?
20:11 < keinek> cant
20:11 < keinek> now i was modify something
20:12 < keinek> ok i change the ip
20:12 < keinek> in another vs watch how the content of network was delete
20:12 < keinek> before exit stone.
20:12 < keinek> i still in stone.
20:12 < keinek> but the config was delete
20:13 < keinek> only 0 kb
20:13 < mnemoc_> ok
20:13 < keinek> <keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_script.sh
20:13 < keinek> <keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_base.sh
20:13 < keinek> <keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_dns.sh
20:13 < keinek> <keinek> U  package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_sysctl.sh
20:13 < mnemoc_> i see any content on network.net ?
20:13 < keinek> that files dont fix the problem?
20:14 < keinek> where is network.net?
20:14 < mnemoc_> no, that was a copyright injection _I_ did
20:14 < mnemoc_> .new
20:14 < keinek> i dont have that file.
20:14 < keinek> this file never appear.
20:14 < mnemoc_> vi etc/stone.d/mod_network.sh
20:15 < rxr> best check mod_network.sh is recent ...
20:15 < keinek> nothing inthere
20:15 < keinek> mod_network.sh now is a new file.
20:15 < keinek> "etc/stone.d/mod_network.sh" [New File]  
20:16 < keinek> network was ok in /etc/network :P
20:17 < keinek> last week ...
20:17 < mnemoc_> rxr: +export rocknet_config="/etc/conf/network" ????
20:17 < rxr> last week it was /etc/network
20:17 < rxr> mnemoc_: yes, and ?
20:17 < rxr> keinek: from now on into the bright future it is /etc/conf/network and /lib/network ...
20:17 < keinek> ok
20:18 < keinek> fine.
20:18 < keinek> i hope that work :D
20:18 < keinek> my target need that ;)
20:18 < mnemoc_> keinek: grep rocknet_config= /etc/stone.d/mod_network.sh
20:18 < keinek> rocknet_config="/etc/conf"
20:18 < mnemoc_> it is outdated
20:19 < keinek> so?
20:19 < keinek> i do svn up when rxr said me do that.
20:19 < mnemoc_> keinek: did you re-build 7-sysfiles ?
20:19 < keinek> ok svn up again and rebuild again.
20:19 < keinek> you said me.
20:19 < keinek> wait a moment..
20:19 < keinek> looking.
20:20 < rxr> keinek: you also installed this rebuild sysfiles in some way ?
20:20 < mnemoc_> 7-sysfiles is which re-creates the tarball
20:22 < keinek> you said me "rebuild 1 and 3"
20:22 < keinek> :(
20:22 < mnemoc_> i'm not perfect 
20:22 < mnemoc_> i forgot 7 :(
20:23 < Minto> mnemoc_: regarding kaffe, there is a 1.1.5 developer release from yesterday. Or should I stick a the cvs checkout of yesterday?
20:23 < keinek> abr 06 13:19:08 <mnemoc_>       [P] X -1-3---7-9 202.500 <-- stages 1,3,7 and
20:23 < keinek> abr 06 13:19:09 <mnemoc_>       9
20:23 < keinek> abr 06 13:19:17 <mnemoc_>       rebuild 1 and 3
20:23 < Minto> s/a/with/
20:23 < keinek> oh... jesus...
20:23 < mnemoc_> Minto: /join #kaffe :)
20:24 < keinek> i read the last line.
20:24 < keinek> and do that
20:24 < mnemoc_> Minto: i would perfer 1.1.5
20:24 < keinek> ok... now i was rebuild 1, 3, and 7 
20:24 < Minto> 1.1.5 it will be.
20:24 < keinek> ¿someone more?
20:24 < mnemoc_> Minto: no questions on #kaffe ?
20:25 < Minto> ummh ????
20:25 < keinek> ok now working.
20:26 < mnemoc_> Minto: only they know if 1.1.5 is better than snapshot :)
20:26 < keinek> thanks for all.
20:26 < mnemoc_> keinek: :(
20:26 < keinek> dont worry mnemoc_ now will work.
20:27 < keinek> i must test all form begin to the end.
20:27 < keinek> and we must be sure for all :)
20:27 < keinek> and...
20:27 < keinek> the stage 9?
20:27 < keinek> dont need stage 9?
20:27 < mnemoc_> did you see a message talking about .gem creation?
20:28 < keinek> in that stages?
20:28 < mnemoc_> in the rebuild
20:29 < keinek> in stage 1 no.
20:29 < keinek> now in stage 3
20:29 < mnemoc_> Creating binary package file for log4cxx.
20:29 < mnemoc_> -> Building build/.../pkgs/log4cxx-0.9.7.tar.bz2
20:29 < mnemoc_> -> Building build/.../pkgs/log4cxx-0.9.7.gem
20:29 < mnemoc_> -> Removing temporary tar.bz2.
20:29 < keinek> waiting...
20:29 < mnemoc_> the last stage will do it
20:29 < mnemoc_> 7
20:29 < mnemoc_> in sysfiles case
20:40 < keinek> yes
20:40 < keinek> work fine.
20:40 < keinek> now create new iso
20:40 < keinek> 3th try
20:40 < keinek> :)
20:41 < mnemoc_> :)
20:41 < keinek> you look my target mnemoc_ ?
20:41 < keinek> i made it with all my love :D
20:42 < keinek> while i was watching tv
20:43 < mnemoc_>   [t2] Ezipupdate and NO-ip? <--- weird
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20:44 < rxr> yep
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20:45 < rxr> BitTorrent 4.0.1 
20:45 < rxr> The license has changed to the "BitTorrent Open Source License".
20:45 < rxr> huh?
20:45 < rxr> what the world does not need is yet another strange license ...
20:46 < mnemoc_> keinek: it looks just like desktop target :p
20:47 < keinek> yes
20:47 < keinek> but is 
20:47 < keinek> My desktop target
20:47 < mnemoc_> :)
20:47 < keinek> in just one cd
20:47 < keinek> with XMAME O.o
20:47 < keinek> :D
20:48 < mnemoc_> if you will keep that difference, i'm ok with it :)
20:48 < keinek> yes :)
20:48 < mnemoc_> but remember, a distro is more than package selection
20:48 < keinek> ok... but that is only the begining :)
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20:49 < mnemoc_> keinek: :)
20:49 < keinek> :)
20:49 < mnemoc_> keinek: you are welcome to do something like pequelin too :)
20:49 < keinek> yeah!
20:49 < keinek> first i will make new packages
20:50 < mnemoc_> sure
20:50 < mnemoc_> there are not many packages for kids on T2 :)
20:50 < mnemoc_> i'll go to class
20:50 < mnemoc_> cu
20:50 < mnemoc_> happy hacking
20:50 < keinek> ok
20:50 < keinek> cu
20:51 < rxr> cool - no more bitkeeper for the kernel ?!
20:51 < rxr> cu mnemoc_ 
20:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: no? what now? perforce?
20:52 < mnemoc_> or sourcesafe?
20:52 < rxr> no idea
20:53 < rxr> but seeems linus dropped it now it is not free as in beer anymore ... 
20:53 < sepp> back to linus reads every patch ?
20:53 < mnemoc_> ok... no more bashing.... cu :)
20:53 < mnemoc_> i do, but T2 is a bit smaller
20:53 < mnemoc_> just a bit :p
20:53 < mnemoc_> cu
20:53 < rxr> Linux 2.6.12-rc2
20:53 < sepp> hehe
20:56 < rxr> yep - I have it in my inbox - linus really wrote no more BK now ...
20:59 < rxr> http://www.venge.net/monotone/
20:59 < rxr> ok - cu
21:06 < keinek> cu later
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21:29 < rxr> "Look at how much MS or Apple have given back to BSD as opposed to how much linux has got from IBM. Who has the better dynamic community of sharing?"
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21:43 < sepp_> rxr: can you update util-linux? i dont know which patch is for t2 and which only a fix ...
21:44 < sepp_> and i want to use / fix the broken loop-aes
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21:53 < rxr> sepp_: sure
21:55 < rxr> 12p ?
21:55 < sepp_> 12q is the latest
21:56 < sepp_> its not on the server from the desc
21:56 < sepp_> but on kernel.org
21:56 < rxr> ok
21:57 < sepp_> i checked the patched but i was not sure which is a t2 patch :(
22:00 < sepp_> cryptoloop-support.diff i dont know where it was found but it is not part of loop-aes
22:00 < rxr> hm
22:00 < sepp_> you can delete it ...
22:00 < rxr> I'm not the author of that n
22:00 < rxr> either
22:01 < sepp_> i will update/fix loop-aes
22:06 < rxr> omg
22:06 < rxr> quite many patches (to be deleted=
22:06 < rxr> )
22:06 < sepp_> yes
22:07 < Mech> wow - monotone _is_ being considered for the kernel after all :-)
22:07 < sepp_> thats why i asked you, i dont want to break everthing
22:09 < rxr> hm - one conflicting patch is there since r1  ...
22:09 < rxr> 2003-04-26
22:11 < rxr> valentin: your telekon net-box is annoying
22:12 < rxr> valentin: are you using it - or can you disable this money wasting thing one day ?
22:14 < valentin> re
22:15 < valentin> rxr: i waste my money on your mailbox, too
22:15 < rxr> ah - just solved my electronic question regarding details of step down converters right now ...
22:15 < rxr> but I use my mailbox ...
22:16 < rxr> you can dial my landline if you do not need my buisiness mailbox ...
22:17 < rxr> valentin: how was your day ?
22:18 < valentin> working, hospital, eating ...
22:18 < valentin> now i want to phone ronald
22:18 < rxr> you 2nd girl is fine ?
22:18 < rxr> == 04/06/05 22:18:38 =[9]=> Finished building package util-linux.
22:18 < valentin> as far as i know, yes . but we only were sightseeing the hospital
22:19 < rxr> ah so ...
22:19 < valentin> what is that Linux Intern thing ?
22:19 < rxr> valentin: I do not know more than you
22:19 < rxr> valentin: it appeared in my inbox without signs of it before
22:19 < valentin> depends on what they want to have in their distribution
22:19 < valentin> but sounds like a nice job for t2
22:20 < rxr> I guess it should be more graphical than it is right now
22:20 < valentin> that would be much work
22:20 < rxr> the problem is in 1 months we can not hack endless colorful clicky ...
22:20 < valentin> we should talk with them and find out what they want and how much they want to pay
22:20 < rxr> I guess not endless ...
22:21 < rxr> definetly not two man months of work ...
22:21 < valentin> we could do this in the second half of the month, because we should finish the driver next week
22:21 < valentin> but only if they pay a full wage
22:21 < rxr> do you phone him ?
22:21 < valentin> drilling ?
22:21 < rxr> yep
22:21 < valentin> ok, i will do tomorow
22:21 < rxr> thanks
22:22 < valentin> the main part will be the installer, customized kde will be no big deal
22:22 < rxr> well - colorful network and PPP setup is what people want today ...
22:23 < rxr> the other part would be the fully automated rocked science live cd we want anyway
22:23 < rxr> well - the colorful part are also a TODO - just not as urgently as it would be without the CD deal ..
22:23 < valentin> but that is more than two weeks of work
22:23 < valentin> i will be in the background now
22:24 < rxr> yes
22:24 < rxr> cu valentin I'll sleep soon
22:24 < rxr> greetings to roland
22:24 < rxr> ronald even ...
22:25  * rxr too confused by step down converter equations ...
22:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8074 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/blkpg.patch: * fixed linux-header for the latest util-linux ...
22:28 < rxr> hm - commits are way slower with my reduced latency now ...
22:28 < rxr> sepp_: have fun ... ,-)
22:28 < rxr> sepp_: do not forget to build linux-header first ...
22:28 < CIA-9> rene * r8075 /trunk/package/base/util-linux/ (9 files): 
22:28 < CIA-9> * updated util-linux (2.12a -> 2.12q)
22:28 < CIA-9> * removed a lot of old patches on the way (some compile fixes, some
22:28 < CIA-9>  ugly hacks, the cryptoloop one now in the package (I heared)
22:28 < CIA-9>  and also a cosmetical absolute path patch that converted entries
22:28 < CIA-9>  to absolute pathes - I hope nooen misses)
22:28 < sepp_> rxr: thanks 
22:31 < jeru_> re 
22:32 < rxr> hi jeru_ 
22:33 < jeru_> hi rxr, have I missed sth important ? ;)
22:34 < jeru_> or business as usual ? 
22:35 < rxr> kernel does not use evil bk anymore ...
22:35 < rxr> aside from that - nothing that important I think - aside that I just wiped a bunch of old patches from util-linux ...
22:35 < rxr> by DSL upload rate is now 21.92K/s
22:35 < jeru_> hehe :)
22:36 < rxr> my even
22:36 < rxr> well - more 26
22:36 < sepp_> hmm i have ~10K/s upload :((
22:37 < sepp_> with dsl
22:37 < rxr> I had ...
22:37 < rxr> until today lunch ...
22:37 < rxr> ok - traffic shaping rule updated ...
22:37 < rxr> (according my new rates ...)
22:38 < sepp_> i have this silly dsl-light
22:38 < jeru_> rxr: thought about the python stuff and zope while sitting in the train ... wouldn't be a separate python package better that we'd install in zope prefix ?
22:38 < rxr> I have no experience with it ...
22:38 < rxr> if it just works with the new one I would like to avoid that ...
22:38 < jeru_> yeah ... I know
22:39 < jeru_> well, I will test that beast agressively to look ... 
22:39 < jeru_> decission rescheduled  ;)
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22:57 < jeru_> damn, on other channels one can experience a very rude behavior agains not well known people :/
22:58 < jeru_> that's why I hated irc so far 
23:00 < jeru_> rxr: at least I was able to gather some informations about zope and python24. From the functional point of view it should be no problem, but they haven't reviewed security for python24 so far ...
23:03 < jeru_> Mech: syn
23:06 < Mech> *Yawn* morning
23:06 < rxr> jeru_: ah
23:06 < rxr> ok people /me has to ente the sleep cycle ...
23:06 < rxr> cu in the morning ...
23:07 < sepp_> good night
23:07 < jeru_> cu rxr ... good luck tomorrow and sleep well :)
23:07 < jeru_> morning Mech
23:08 < Mech> hi jeru
23:08 < jeru_> Mech: have you seen my last msg about Zope ?
23:08 < jeru_> regarding running Zope with Python24
23:10  * Mech is still looking for coffee and smokes...
23:27 < Mech> ok - I really need to go get smokes ..
23:27 < Mech> brb
23:27 < Mech> :-)
23:27 < jeru_> :)
23:28 < sepp_> damned addictions
23:30 < jeru_> sepp_: ack
23:33 < sepp_> humans are very bad implemented
23:38 < Mech> caffiene and nicotine - life is good :-D
23:39 < Mech> anyone done any work with Anaconda ?
23:39 < sepp_> i drink 2l coffee / day i am sure its not very good
23:40 < Mech> sepp_: I used to drink about 10 pots a day...
23:40 < Mech> sepp_: after 15 years of that, it takes a toll on you
23:41 < Mech> sepp_: I'm down to about 1-2 pots day (maybe 2L ?) but if I don't get that _every_ day, I get blinding headaches
23:42 < Mech> sepp_: it also causes dehydration and messes with your kidneys :-(
23:42 < Mech> still - its better then all the soda the younger hackers drink...
23:42 < sepp_> cola?
23:42 < Mech> jolt, mountain dew, bawls, red bull - I think they all are worse
23:43 < sepp_> i dont like jolt and the clones
23:43 < Mech> rxr: have you done any work with Anaconda?  I need to add a screen to it, but I've heard that can be a real headache ?
23:44 < Mech> sepp_: I like the taste ok - I just can't drink carbonated stuff too much - makes my eyes water and my nose itch...
23:44 < Mech> Coke is the biggest offender - I feel like I'm gonna sneeze everytime I drink it - waaay to much CO2 in it :-P
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