--- Log opened Wed Mar 09 00:00:36 2005 00:04 < rxr> jeru: colors better? 00:05 < jeru> yep :) 00:07 < jeru> rxr: do you us a white background, right? 00:07 < jeru> use 00:08 < jeru> rxr/mnemoc: I'll commit the damn init script ... can you try to take a short look? 00:09 < rxr> sure 00:09 < jeru> thanks :) 00:12 < jeru> so ... commit done 00:12 < mnemoc> CIA-9: ? 00:12 < CIA-9> chris * r7199 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/ (prelude-manager.conf prelude_manager.init): * added sysv init script for prelude-manager 00:14 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/t2-scaling.png 00:14 < mnemoc> .oO( mnemosyne )o 00:16 < rxr> mnemoc: those on the picture are not target names .. 00:16 < mnemoc> :) 00:16 < rxr> guess yours scales from near embedded over server up to desktop ... ,-) 00:16 < jeru> rxr: looks good 00:16 < mnemoc> hehehe 00:16 < jeru> :D 00:17 < mnemoc> jeru: did you installed it? 00:17 < jeru> what? 00:17 < jeru> syne? 00:17 < mnemoc> yep 00:17 < jeru> of course 00:17 < jeru> :D 00:17 < mnemoc> how traumatic it was? 00:17 < jeru> no traumatic experience :) 00:18 < jeru> it runs for quite some time as an monitoring system at work ... 00:18 < jeru> :d 00:18 < jeru> :D 00:18 < mnemoc> great :) 00:18 < jeru> yep :) 00:19 < jeru> I'm very satisfied with it ... more than with the other tons of debian systems 00:20 < jeru> mnemoc: can you take a look over the just commited prelude-manager init script problem? 00:21 < mnemoc> jeru: yes, you missed the header of the init file 00:21 < jeru> hmmm ? 00:21 < mnemoc> prelude_manager.init 00:21 < rxr> yes ack - header like: 00:21 < rxr> # Desc: optional daemon for managing devfs 00:21 < rxr> # Runlevel: 13 rcX rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5 00:21 < rxr> it is used for inital symlink creation .. 00:21 < rxr> and needed later on in STONE ... 00:22 < jeru> ahhh ... !!!! damn jeru 00:22 < rxr> see the other init files 00:22 < mnemoc> i vote for a missing priority <--- one hour ago :p 00:23 < jeru> :) 00:23 < jeru> thank you ... :d 00:23 < jeru> d 00:23 < jeru> arrrgggg .... 00:23 < rxr> jeru: ? 00:24 < jeru> I just annoyed about me ... don't worry 00:24 < jeru> :D 00:24 < jeru> switching into happy mode 00:24 < jeru> :d 00:25 < jeru> my critter wants to eat my build system right now 00:25 < jeru> I think he needs some devotion 00:26 < jeru> and I need a cup of green tea 00:26 < jeru> :D 00:26 < rxr> hehehe 00:26 < rxr> what kind of critter do you have ? 00:26 < jeru> I just tell if you'll not laugh :) 00:27 < jeru> it's a "relict" of my ex-girlfriend 00:27 < jeru> a bunny 00:27 < jeru> :D 00:27 < rxr> ;P 00:27 < jeru> but he is quite funny 00:27 < jeru> and I love this small boy 00:28 < rxr> there are some free picture archives .. 00:28 < jeru> but I have to take care for all the cables as you can imagine 00:28 < rxr> but lost my historic konqueror bookmarks when osx erased my linux partition ... 00:28 < rxr> does anyone have some handy?? 00:29 < jeru> hmmm ... mobile phone ? 00:29 < rxr> those with stuff like autumn trees, general nature, people and so on ... 00:29 < rxr> jeru: nope links to some free image archive ... 00:30 < jeru> oops ... openclipart ... I think you know 00:30 < rxr> not clipart .. 00:30 < rxr> real pictures ... 00:30 < jeru> I think on the openclipart site are some links 00:31 < rxr> damn - had so cool links from an old c't ... f*cking osx erasing my linux partition before I placed my $HOME into SVN ... 00:32 < rxr> ah - maybe s.th. like this: 00:32 < rxr> http://www.pixelperfectdigital.com/gallery/ 00:32 < mnemoc> what do you recomend to draw circuits? 00:33 < rxr> have not done this under linux so far .. 00:33 < rxr> maybe you can use pcb ... 00:33 < jeru> I've a great CD with old pictures from berlin ... e.g. with old location of the "Siegessäule" before the "Reichstag" :) 00:33 < rxr> but there are some other free circuit drawers 00:33 < rxr> if all goes bad use a trial of eagle 00:33 < rxr> there is a x86 linux versino - but I hate eagle 00:34 < jeru> critter is in evil/terror mode right now 00:34 < mnemoc> :) 00:35 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/trunk/pr/ 00:35 < rxr> ^- the home for the next gen T2 PR material ... 00:36 < mnemoc> :) 00:39 < rxr> I go into bed soon 00:42 < jeru> still having this division by 0 error 00:44 < rxr> then header is defect 00:44 < rxr> with the devfsd header pasted your init works ... 00:44 < rxr> maybe no runlevel number added ? 00:44 < jeru> Runlevel: 70 rcX rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5 00:45 < jeru> nope I see my problem ... hmmm ... I think I've to sleep too ... :D 00:45 < rxr> hash ' 00:45 < rxr> # 00:45 < rxr> ' 00:46 < rxr> hm - no - works eve without hash ,-) 00:46 < jeru> :) 01:02 < jeru> so ... finaly it works ... this was a hard lesson :| 01:02 < jeru> have to sleep now ... 01:04 < mnemoc> jeru: what was the problem? 01:07 < jeru> 1. the header 01:07 < jeru> 2. hook_add 01:07 < mnemoc> :) 01:07 < jeru> at least ... now I'm able to finish some "package construction sites" of mine :) 01:08 < jeru> there some pending init scripts for packages I commited :| 01:08 < jeru> anyway I will not use sysv but perhaps other people will be lucky 01:08 < jeru> :D 01:08 < mnemoc> there are lot of missing .init files 01:09 < jeru> yep 01:09 < mnemoc> but i want to power .tail format 01:09 < mnemoc> to generate sysvinit/minit/runit init files from there 01:09 < mnemoc> kind of 'compiled' 01:09 < jeru> yeah ... you've to explain me the details soon ... then I'm with you ;) 01:11 < jeru> but for now ... I just want to jump into my bed ... yippi 01:11 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru :) 01:11 < jeru> good night everybody ... thanks for the help :) 01:11 * mnemoc fighting against his non-working tetex 01:11 < jeru> n8 mnemoc 01:12 < jeru> good luck (aehmmm I mean fight) 01:12 < jeru> :d 01:12 < jeru> :D 01:12 < jeru> bye 01:12 < mnemoc> :) 01:12 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD245.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 01:15 < CIA-9> chris * r7200 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/ (3 files): * fixed the init script for prelude-manager 01:19 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@65-23-199-161.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:22 < CIA-9> amery * r7201 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (DNS.ask DNS.conf Network/DNS.ask Network/DNS.conf): * moved dns service plugin for mnemosyne into network services 01:23 < mnemoc> rxr: awake? 01:24 < rxr> yes 01:24 < rxr> barely / sadly 01:24 < mnemoc> ! Undefined control sequence. 01:24 < mnemoc> l.1 \documentclass [11pt]{article} 01:24 < mnemoc> what can i be missing? 01:25 < CIA-9> amery * r7202 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/gnue_appserver.ask: * added GNUe Application Server plugin of mnemosyne 01:25 < mnemoc> texhash done three times now :\ 01:25 < rxr> mnemoc: our t2 paper - or your page ? 01:25 < rxr> hm - no idea what you miss ... 01:26 < mnemoc> tetex of my reinstalled laptop :\ 01:26 < _Ragnar_> is there supposed to be a space between documentclass and [11pt]? 01:26 < mnemoc> that was added by the parser 01:26 < CIA-9> amery * r7203 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (13 files in 2 dirs): * moved Mail Service plugins into Mail/ on mnemosyne 01:27 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea - but I'm not a tex expert nor fan ... 01:27 < mnemoc> :( 01:28 < mnemoc> \documentclass[11pt]{article} 01:28 < mnemoc> \begin{document} 01:28 < mnemoc> I hate this 01:28 < mnemoc> \end{document} 01:28 < mnemoc> $ tex test.tex 01:28 < mnemoc> This is TeX, Version 3.141592 (Web2C 7.5.4) 01:28 < mnemoc> (./test.tex 01:28 < mnemoc> ! Undefined control sequence. 01:28 < mnemoc> l.1 \documentclass [11pt]{article} 01:29 < mnemoc> this crap should work! 01:29 < valentin> mnemoc: latex 01:29 < valentin> not tex 01:30 < mnemoc> oh 01:30 < _Ragnar_> oh, yea 01:30 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 01:30 < _Ragnar_> tex is way more low-level and doesn't know about documentclass & stuff ;) 01:30 < mnemoc> hehee 01:30 < mnemoc> missing alias :p 01:30 < valentin> yep - tex is just a dvi-preprocessor :) 01:31 < _Ragnar_> *rofl* 01:31 < mnemoc> stupid me, many many thanks :) 01:31 < mnemoc> i was getting nervious 01:39 < rxr> n8 all 01:40 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 01:56 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:56 -!- CIA-2 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 02:25 -!- ideal [~idealm_@222.65.109.251] has joined #t2 02:27 < jsaw> g'night 02:27 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@149.217.51.185] has quit ["leaving"] 03:20 -!- mtr_ [~michael@H90f6.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 03:28 -!- mtr [~michael@H91cc.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:35 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.198.162.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 03:35 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again! 03:35 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Feb 19 18:03:55 2005] 03:35 [Users #t2] 03:35 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ keinek] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 03:35 [ CIA-2 ] [ ideal ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] 03:35 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 03:35 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 03:35 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 15 secs 03:38 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.197.62.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:16 -!- _Ragnar__ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 04:16 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:01 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin, daja77, nzg 05:01 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nzg, daja77, valentin 06:20 -!- ideal [~idealm_@222.65.109.251] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:40 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.10.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:56 -!- daja77 [[ykeneYeaA@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:58 -!- daja77 [[qnM3G4Sl7@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #t2 07:16 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.20] has joined #t2 07:19 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.50] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:38 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 07:59 < rxr_> moin 07:59 -!- You're now known as rxr 08:02 < mipe> hi rxr 08:03 < rxr> hi mipe 08:42 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 08:42 < mtr> moin 08:55 < _Ragnar__> mipe: can you make a 64 bit iso or base system tgz available? 08:59 < mipe> iso isnt on my pc atleast,it might be on my other pc but it isnt here. so it has to wait until weekend if i go visit my parents 09:01 < mipe> you having problems with 64bit build? 09:02 < _Ragnar__> lots 09:02 < _Ragnar__> ;D 09:02 < _Ragnar__> but it might also be the hardware 09:03 < _Ragnar__> so I'd like to try a system that I know is running for someone else 09:04 < _Ragnar__> doesn't need to be a iso, if you can do a tbz2 of your 64bit machine that would be okay, too 09:11 < mipe> cat /dev/sda9 | tar xjf /disk9.img.bz 09:11 < mipe> this should be enough? 09:11 < rxr> I would tar the content ... ,-) 09:11 < mipe> so no pipe to bzip? 09:12 < rxr> moin _Ragnar__ 09:12 < mipe> cat /dev/sda9 | tar cf /disk9.img.bz 09:12 < rxr> mipe: no I mean the mounted version ... 09:12 < rxr> mount sda ... 09:12 < mipe> ah so no byte to byte 09:12 < rxr> tar xvfISp (or so) /mount point ... 09:12 < rxr> and if you compess the image no tar at all .-) 09:13 < _Ragnar__> uhm 09:13 < rxr> when you compoess the image usage is harder - either loop mount and copy or place on a similalr sized partition ... 09:14 < rxr> and you might compress a lot of random garbage data since not all of the FS is full and not pre-zeroed ... 09:14 < _Ragnar__> why not just 'cd /; tar cfj system.tar.bz2 etc bin sbin lib* usr var' ? 09:14 < rxr> _Ragnar__: ack - my talking ,-) 09:14 < _Ragnar__> :D 09:15 < _Ragnar__> if you got X installed, it might help if you exclude usr/X11* 09:18 < CIA-2> chris * r7204 /trunk/package/security/prelude-nids/ (prelude-nids.conf prelude-nids.desc prelude-nids.init): 09:18 < CIA-2> * added sysv init script template for prelude-nids 09:18 < CIA-2> * added NOPARALLEL flag 09:19 < rxr> should be package ndiswrapper some day ? http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ 09:19 < CIA-2> chris * r7205 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/ (prelude-lml.conf prelude-lml.init): * added sysv init script for prelude-lml 09:20 < _Ragnar__> it's pretty straightforward, but locating the right windows drivers is a pain;p 09:20 < rxr> yeah - built it once at my girlfriends box to test it on some stage wifi card ... 09:20 < rxr> but the card sucked so much - we gave it back ... 09:21 < rxr> I would package it just for completeness ... 09:21 < _Ragnar__> I don't have a choice, my laptop has a broadcom chipset ;p 09:23 < _Ragnar__> anyway, I need to get to bed 09:24 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar__ 09:25 < _Ragnar__> mipe: can you make the tar.bz2 available? 09:25 < mipe> _RAgnar__: i have the tar but no place to upload it (109M) 09:27 < mipe> _Ragnar__:and i cant mess with firewall from here since its only accepts local connections and i'm not there. 09:27 < _Ragnar__> can you ftp upload it to my host? 09:27 < mipe> sure 09:28 < _Ragnar__> ftp://t2up:t2up@216.250.77.230/ 09:29 < mipe> might take a while since only 512kb up 09:29 < _Ragnar__> thanks a lot :) 09:30 < _Ragnar__> should be done when I get up :) 09:30 < _Ragnar__> so, thanks and goodnight folks :) 09:30 < mipe> gn8 _Ragnar__ 09:30 < _Ragnar__> have a nice day 09:31 < rxr> have a good night ,-) 09:56 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["reconnect"] 09:59 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 10:14 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:16 < Minto> Moin 10:16 < rxr> moin Minto 10:16 < Minto> Hi rxr, remember the bootsplash discussion? 10:18 < rxr> yep - saw there is a reimplementation that loads at least the image in user space 10:22 < Minto> Yes it's called usplash. I was able to compile it with T2. However, looking at the source it seems very premature, but the concept being used looks great. 10:23 < Minto> Now I am investigation what would be required to create it properly. 10:24 < Minto> You mentioned using something based on evas. Wasn't evas good enough? How about directFB? 10:25 < rxr> no - I would implement it using evas ... 10:27 < Minto> I'll have a look at evas. What would you consider for the splash configuration file? 10:28 < rxr> well - some very simple key value file that can be parsed using simple strtok - nothing fance that early in the boot process 10:32 < Minto> I'll consider it. 10:33 < rxr> cu 10:39 < mipe> _Ragnar__: file is uploaded,use existing grub it segfaults while running embed 10:40 < mipe> _Ragnar__:but rebuilding grub on it should fix the problem 10:40 < mipe> but have to go to school 10:40 -!- mipe is now known as mipe|school 11:18 < mipe|school> is there a reason to have /usr/$arch-t2-linux-gnu? 12:38 < mnemoc_> moin 12:40 < mipe|school> hi mnemoc_ 12:40 < mnemoc_> hi mipe|school 12:40 < mipe|school> :( 12:43 < mnemoc_> why that face? 12:44 < mipe|school> me at school 12:45 < mipe|school> in a class that you dont wanna know 12:45 < mnemoc_> :) 13:18 < CIA-2> chris * r7206 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-common/gnue-common.desc: * updated gnue-common (0.5.13 -> 0.5.14) 13:18 < CIA-2> chris * r7207 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-appserver/gnue-appserver.desc: * updated gnue-appserver (0.4.0 -> 0.4.1) 13:23 < mipe|school> mnemoc:do you know why crt?.o needs to be in /usr/$arch-t2-linux-gnu/lib 13:24 < mnemoc_> where do you want it? 13:26 < mipe|school> those are just symlinks, real path is /usr/lib{,64}, i mean /usr/*-t2-* has just binutils stuff 13:26 < CIA-2> chris * r7208 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-forms/gnue-forms.desc: * updated gnue-form (0.5.10 -> 0.5.11) 13:27 * mnemoc_ wonders if jeru has tested those 13:28 < mipe|school> do we really need that /usr/$arch_target? i was thinking of looking over it,also would mean some cleanups on gcc.conf(remove hacks etc..) 13:29 < mnemoc_> rxr rewrote it some weeks ago 13:29 < mipe|school> but not yet commited? 13:30 < mnemoc_> yep, commited and well tested 13:30 < mipe|school> ah the gcc.conf? 13:30 < mnemoc_> yes 13:31 < mnemoc_> it's considered hack-free 13:36 < CIA-2> amery * r7209 /trunk/package/python/psycopg/psycopg.conf: * fixed psycopg to use pkgprefix 13:56 < mnemoc_> mipe|school: if you look into T2's file hierarchy you will see _lot_ of 'compatibility' symlinks, to make packages and users happy 13:57 < mnemoc_> we may change 'legacy-user-compatibility' into an option 14:01 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 14:01 < jsaw> re 14:04 < valentin> hi 14:04 < valentin> jsaw, mnemoc_ : most probably our child will be a girl, too 14:05 < mnemoc_> :D 14:05 < mnemoc_> welcome to the suffering-in-ten-years team 14:05 < jsaw> :D 14:05 < valentin> .oO 14:05 < jsaw> hehe 14:06 < valentin> anybody an idea how to include figure-like elements in multicolumn environment ? 14:06 < jsaw> you should say, suffering-in-ten-years-until-out-of-house-and-far-away team... 14:06 < mnemoc_> :) 14:07 < valentin> and all the boys will be born at #rocklinux ? *g* 14:08 < jsaw> hehe 14:08 < mnemoc_> :p 14:08 < jsaw> re-unification in, about, eh... 25years? 14:08 < mnemoc_> *G* 14:08 < valentin> hm, 16y 14:09 < jsaw> okay, okay, the girls mature faster... 14:09 < mnemoc_> the other half is getting behind 14:09 < valentin> *GG* 14:10 < mnemoc_> we will double them in less than a year due to their politics :) 14:11 < mnemoc_> .oO( tea crashes when opening files )o 14:11 < valentin> 105 patches in February compared to 1000 revisions here 14:11 < jsaw> ?.? 14:12 < valentin> 14:06 < valentin> anybody an idea how to include figure-like elements in multicolumn environment ? 14:13 < valentin> urgent, need to finish the printout for the CeBIT today :/ 14:14 < jsaw> lemma see, one sec 14:14 < mnemoc_> what class do you use for curriculum vitae? 14:14 < jsaw> iirc, simply use \includegraphics or \epsfig or so 14:15 < valentin> jsaw: that works, but i want a subtitle below it 14:15 < jsaw> mnemoc_: article and a few 14:15 < jsaw> valentin: {minipage}{size} ... and then use figure env 14:18 < valentin> minipage works inside of the multicolumn 14:19 < valentin> but putting a picture in there fails 14:19 < jsaw> okay, lemma check 14:19 < valentin> ! LaTeX Error: Not in outer par mode. 14:19 < valentin> See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. 14:19 < valentin> Type H for immediate help. 14:19 < valentin> ... 14:19 < valentin> l.60 \begin{figure}[H] 14:20 < jsaw> maybe http://www.csit.fsu.edu/~mimi/tex/doc/html/faq/FAQ-mcfloat.html 14:21 < valentin> i'll try that 14:22 < jsaw> If you don't need the reference of the figure, do the caption by hand 14:22 < valentin> if everything else fails, i'll do that 14:25 < valentin> i think i'll use hand-oriented minipages rather than figures ... 14:26 < jsaw> placing floats inside floats is,...., well, hard 14:30 < valentin> is there a way to find out the width of the column i am in to adapt minipage size ? 14:31 < jsaw> \linewidth 14:31 < jsaw> ? 14:31 < valentin> thx 14:33 < valentin> i have no latex book here at rene's flat :( 14:34 < jsaw> never had...I'm always grepping the classes... 14:34 < jsaw> but I do latex professionally for two books since a couple of years... 14:35 < valentin> so next question - is there an easy way to create text loating around a graphic ? 14:35 < valentin> jsaw: i wrote many scientific articles and scripts in latex, but i seldom needed graphics or so 14:35 < jsaw> no... but possible 14:36 < valentin> the most complex thing i ever did was a hughe multipage table full of hand-rendered elements 14:36 < jsaw> *nice* :D 14:36 < valentin> and embeding a avi video in a tex file 14:37 < jsaw> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=textflow 14:37 < valentin> in such a way that it is conserved in ps2pdf output 14:37 < jsaw> package "floatflt" 14:37 < jsaw> do you use prosper for presentations? 14:38 < valentin> i did once 14:38 < valentin> s/did/had to do/ i hate presentations 14:38 < jsaw> I made my own style, with automatic topic highlighting (like a menu on a homepage) 14:38 < jsaw> and added this nice progress bar 14:38 < valentin> i gave all my seminars at university and work using a piece of chalk 14:38 < jsaw> was fun! 14:39 < valentin> jsaw: nice - maybe i'll ask for it next time i need that 14:40 < jsaw> BUT BE WARNED: your boss may be offended because it looks too professional... and he may think you spent weeks for the design.... :| 14:40 < jsaw> at least that happend to me *g* 14:40 < jsaw> these ppt users have no idea... 14:40 < valentin> my boss is a blackboard freak - he hates ppt, too 14:41 < jsaw> _good_ 14:41 < jsaw> <- coffee, bias 14:41 < valentin> though he did some very nice latex-based presentations when requesting money from the dfg or so 14:50 < jsaw> re 14:51 < jsaw> valentin: can you send me how you embed avi's into pdf's? 14:52 < valentin> i did a hack to generate an eps with special postscript commandos that are evaluated when the ps is translated 14:52 < valentin> the only problem: 1) you need a pdf viewer that can handle multimedia content (the only one that worked a year ago was adobe's) 14:53 < valentin> 2) i read the pdf standart, but i did not find out how to create an autoplay trigger 14:53 < valentin> you need to click inside the video-frame to start it 14:54 < jsaw> I prefer that anyway 14:54 < valentin> mom - i copy the latest version and hope it still works ... 14:56 < jsaw> look here: http://www.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~jsaw/gm-2004-11-04.pdf (contains theoretical errors, but only for showing you the prosper style, 1Mb) 14:57 < valentin> do you use pdflatex ? 14:57 < jsaw> yes 14:57 < jsaw> stop 14:57 < jsaw> no, 14:57 < jsaw> ps2pdf 14:58 < jsaw> ps2pdf -dPDFsettings=/prepress -dAutoFilterColorImages=false -dColorImageFilter=/FlateEncode 14:58 < jsaw> and dvips -Ppdf -G0 14:58 < valentin> ok 14:59 < valentin> some transformations did not work 14:59 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/texvideo/ 15:00 < valentin> jsaw: can you just compile the test file using normal latex to see if that version works ? 15:02 < jsaw> latex works 15:03 < valentin> and the video ? 15:04 < jsaw> no 15:04 < valentin> do you have one ? 15:05 < valentin> the test.avi ? 15:06 < jsaw> yes 15:06 < valentin> and how did you create the pdf ? 15:07 < valentin> ps2pdf ? 15:07 < jsaw> as above 15:07 < valentin> i have no acroreader handy, so i cannot test it 15:09 < jsaw> oh, double click... but it says: missing plugin... 15:09 < valentin> it the bounding box there ? 15:10 < jsaw> yes 15:10 < jsaw> and the test.avi is not embedded 15:11 < valentin> yes 15:11 < valentin> embeding data into pdf is quite tricky 15:11 < valentin> if you find out how to hack that, tell me :) 15:13 < jsaw> :) 15:14 < valentin> i was happy once i had this video in the pdf for presentation 15:16 < valentin> needed that to get money from a stupid biology forschungszentrum - those biologists only understand colorfull pictures 15:18 < valentin> the floatflt produces trash in multicolumn, but wrapfig works 15:18 < valentin> but there are huge borders around the figure 15:19 < valentin> jsaw: do you know the variables for that ? 15:21 < jsaw> no - not without looking into the style. 15:22 < jsaw> I have to pick up my family, back in some minutes 15:22 < valentin> ok 15:22 < valentin> cu 15:46 < CIA-2> chris * r7210 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.conf: * added check for heimdal krb5 16:01 < jsaw> re 16:10 < valentin> hi 16:46 < valentin> jsaw: there are hardcoded colors, like green, red .... how can i set rgb colors ? 16:57 < valentin> any one a good phrase for 'huge set of XYZ' ? i do not want to repeat in my text 17:16 < valentin> ok, found out about the colors 17:37 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.117.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 17:37 < sepp> hi 17:39 < sepp> on an x86-64 all 64 bit libs should be installed to *lib64 ? /usr/lib64 for example 17:40 < jsaw> valentin: yep, do not remember exactly, sth. like definecolor{name}{type}{values}, where type is e.g. rgb, gray or cmyk or so 17:41 < mipe|school> sepp:yep 17:42 < sepp> mipe|school: libpng libjpg libglut libpython are all in /usr/lib 17:42 -!- mipe|school is now known as mipe 17:42 < valentin> jsaw: found that out 17:42 < mipe> sepp:yep known problem 17:42 < valentin> 16:57 < valentin> any one a good phrase for 'huge set of XYZ' ? i do not want to repeat in my text 17:43 * mipe is going for sauna 17:43 < valentin> much fun 17:45 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFDBB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:46 < jsaw> going home, cu 17:46 < valentin> cu jsaw 17:48 < jeru> moin 17:57 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.63] has joined #t2 17:57 < keinek> hi everybody! 17:59 < mipe> so how many of you are at cebit tomorrow(?)? 18:00 < valentin> me, rxr and susanne 18:01 * valentin 18:01 < valentin> hm 18:01 < valentin> in the line above the /me command did not work 18:01 * valentin , rxr and susanne 18:02 < valentin> good :) 18:02 < valentin> disliked the ',' 18:17 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:20 < keinek> is possible that the minimal generic with boot iso are 140 mb? 18:21 < keinek> if is right i was create my first T2! 18:22 < keinek> jeru are you there? 18:23 < jeru> here I am 18:23 < keinek> is possible that the minimal generic with boot iso are 140 mb? 18:23 < jeru> keinek: have never build a minimal generic ... but it could be that small ... but doesn't know exactly 18:24 < keinek> Mmmm ok. 18:24 < keinek> i try that iso en vmware :P 18:24 < jeru> that's a good idea ;) 18:28 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.117.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["leaving"] 18:40 < jeru> keinek: does it work? 18:48 < keinek> jeru: yes work 18:49 < keinek> i test it in the real machine, i was burn the cd :) 18:49 < keinek> but... the generic minimal dont have "midnight commander" :( 18:49 < keinek> in the next build I will add 18:52 < keinek> jeru i am very happy :P 18:52 < keinek> now i will create one for DURON 18:53 < keinek> ¿what optimise will must choose? 18:56 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:58 < jeru> keinek: :D 18:59 * jeru is back 19:00 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFDBB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:00 < keinek> Mmmmm 19:00 < keinek> jeru where is the autodetec configuratio of the beta 2? 19:00 < keinek> in this beta is not here :( 19:01 < keinek> in the beta 2 i was use pci automatic detection 19:01 < keinek> and now? 19:26 < jsaw> keinek: rockplug package? 19:37 < keinek> yes 19:37 < keinek> in the iso i was download 19:37 < keinek> when i press up pci autodetect all 19:37 < keinek> now 19:37 < keinek> this not appear 19:37 < keinek> only edit pci 19:37 < keinek> ¿is because the minimal generic? 19:38 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["fever :("] 19:39 < keinek> T2 2.1.0.rc1 is the current versiona that i use 19:39 < keinek> ¿is good? 20:07 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/T2.ps.gz 20:07 < valentin> missing the logo 20:08 < valentin> and two blub paragraphs 20:08 < valentin> comments ? 20:24 < valentin> noone ? :( 21:07 < mnemoc_> re 21:08 < mnemoc_> hi :) 21:08 < valentin> do you like the new logo : http://exactcode.de/valentin/logo.png 21:08 < valentin> a provisoric one 21:08 < mnemoc_> keinek: rc1 is not yet a 'version', rc1 is the next version, and every change we do now will go there 21:08 < valentin> and please comment the handout text 21:09 < mnemoc_> valentin: hard to read on this laptop, nice idea 21:11 < mnemoc_> jeru! 21:18 < CIA-2> amery * r7211 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.conf: * reverted 7210 because extension code goes on extender and not on extendee. (heimdal/postgresql) 21:18 < valentin> i hope ms will not sue us - i should change the colors 21:18 < valentin> from orange to sth different 21:18 < valentin> or what did they use for their jsaw ? 21:19 < mnemoc_> where ms has a puzzle? 21:21 < valentin> they had puzzle pieces or so 21:21 * mnemoc_ likes blue and gray 21:22 < valentin> with facy borders now http://exactcode.de/valentin/logo.png 21:23 < valentin> mnemoc_: me, too but there is so much blue in the lower part 21:23 < valentin> and i need sth light at the top to fit the first decoration 21:25 < mnemoc_> can you 'unbound' the puzzle? looks too 'limited' 21:26 < valentin> mnemoc_ can you ? i need to formulate two paragraphs of text 21:26 < valentin> and i want to print soon 21:26 < mnemoc_> i dont' have that 'talent' 21:26 < valentin> i do not like to do graphics, too 21:26 < mnemoc_> i can only draw boxes :( 21:26 < valentin> hehe 21:26 < mnemoc_> ok, i like it :) 21:26 < valentin> maybe next time 21:29 < valentin> can someone do 15 lines of text for me ? 21:29 < mnemoc_> i'm writting too :p 21:29 < valentin> i am too tired now and cannot think good english anymore 21:30 < mnemoc_> we need more human resources :( 21:32 < valentin> well, where the f*** is rxr ? 21:33 < mnemoc_> good question 21:34 < mnemoc_> going back to berlin because he forgot something for cebit? 21:42 < valentin> no, i think he still is on cebit 21:42 < valentin> was there the whole day 21:43 < mnemoc_> doing what? 21:43 < valentin> taking chance to talk with other buissnesses before the show opens officialy 21:43 < mnemoc_> :) 21:43 < mnemoc_> lobby 21:45 < CIA-2> amery * r7212 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-panelmenu/xfce4-panelmenu.desc: * updated xfce4-panelmenu (0.2.1 -> 0.2.2) 22:05 < valentin> so, finished the text and layout 22:05 < valentin> now correcting it ... 22:05 < valentin> i'll upload a new version in a few minutes 22:06 < mnemoc_> are you versioning PR material? 22:07 < mnemoc_> do you know any tex2doc converter? :( 22:08 < mnemoc_> any free tex2doc converter? 22:08 < mnemoc_> http://members.a1.net/t.link/tex2doc.html 22:08 < mnemoc_> :) 22:10 < valentin> i am sleeping not versioning 22:10 < valentin> but it is in svn 22:11 < valentin> in the handbook trunk in pr 22:11 < mnemoc_> nice 22:12 < CIA-2> amery * r7213 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/ (last_lx26.diff pkg_linux26_post.conf): * fixed l7-filter kernel patch to apply to 2.6.11 22:12 < mnemoc_> go to sleep, tomorrow will be a long day 22:13 < valentin> i cannot go 22:13 < mnemoc_> :( 22:13 < valentin> need to print that handout 22:13 < valentin> tonight 22:13 < mnemoc_> outch 22:13 < valentin> because tomorow i will travel to hannover 22:13 < valentin> to the cebit 22:14 < mnemoc_> can't rxr print it there? 22:14 < valentin> i only sleept 4h/night the last days, soo 22:14 < valentin> 300 double sided prints on a lousy inkjet ? 22:14 < mnemoc_> we need you with a nice face there :) 22:14 < mnemoc_> valentin: oh 22:15 < valentin> i'll print it here with a good laser printer 22:15 < mnemoc_> ack 22:15 < mnemoc_> i thought you will 'poster' it 22:15 < valentin> could you or someone else proof read the handout before i start printing them ? 22:16 < mnemoc_> ok 22:16 < valentin> almost finished the upload 22:16 < mnemoc_> the same you pulbished minutes ago? 22:16 < mnemoc_> the same url* 22:16 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/T2.ps.gz 22:16 < valentin> yep 22:17 < mnemoc_> 10.3K/s 22:17 < valentin> i'll read it too now 22:17 < valentin> its quite big, but rxr wanted all the pixmaps in there 22:17 < valentin> ,) 22:17 < mnemoc_> i didn't see anything about cross-build-ability on my first overreading 22:17 < valentin> ouhm 22:18 < valentin> well, that should be clear :p 22:18 < mnemoc_> yes? 22:18 < valentin> hm 22:18 * mnemoc_ reading 22:18 < valentin> how would you add that in one sentence ? 22:18 < valentin> if you have an idea, tell me :) 22:19 < mnemoc_> .oO 22:19 < mnemoc_> "using your best machines blah blah" 22:20 < valentin> yeah 22:21 < mnemoc_> but replace the blah blah with something :) 22:21 < valentin> i'd say in the build kit section after the first sentence ? 22:21 < valentin> how can i turn on aspells tex filter ? 22:21 < mnemoc_> no idea :p 22:24 < mnemoc_> "including a possible installer CD Creation" 22:24 < mnemoc_> possible or optional? 22:26 < valentin> opional 22:26 < valentin> +t 22:28 < mnemoc_> "like KDE and GNOME and many server and security additions" 22:28 < mnemoc_> the first and, a comma? 22:29 < valentin> so i aspelled away a lot of errors 22:30 < mnemoc_> yes? 22:30 < valentin> minor spelling errors 22:30 < valentin> btw: is it tool-chain and hard-drive ? 22:30 < valentin> 22:29 < mnemoc_> the first and, a comma? 22:30 < valentin> good point 22:31 < mnemoc_> "good custom linux distribution for it is a T2 philosophy...." 22:31 < mnemoc_> to sentences wrongly joined 22:31 < mnemoc_> two* 22:31 < mnemoc_> valentin: i thing the '-' is ok 22:32 < valentin> ok 22:32 < valentin> so toolchain or tool-chain ? same for hard-drive ? 22:33 < mnemoc_> i have seen toolchain too many times, i'm used to it 22:33 < mnemoc_> hard-drive is splited 22:34 < valentin> with a '-' 22:34 < mnemoc_> yep 22:35 < mnemoc_> the first STONE might go between commas 22:35 < valentin> cross build or cross-build between architectures ? 22:35 < mnemoc_> i vote for cross-build 22:35 < mnemoc_> cross-built* 22:35 < valentin> ok 22:36 < mnemoc_> i like the 'framework' thing :) 22:36 < valentin> what framework thing ? 22:36 < mnemoc_> the use of 'framework' for defining T2 22:37 < mnemoc_> the easy/secure updates is a good thing to add on "why T2 is a good choice" 22:37 < valentin> yep 22:37 < valentin> there is the framework 22:37 < valentin> secure ? 22:38 < mnemoc_> backup of modified files 22:38 < mnemoc_> backup/restore of modified files 22:38 < mnemoc_> "without missing your current configuration"? 22:39 < valentin> ok 22:40 < valentin> what first stone in commas ? 22:40 < mnemoc_> Administration: 22:40 < mnemoc_> The config tool STONE allows blah blah blah 22:40 < mnemoc_> commas or () 22:41 < valentin> hm ? 22:41 < mnemoc_> , named STONE, ? 22:41 < mnemoc_> at least on spanish you have to do that 22:42 < mnemoc_> finished 22:42 < mnemoc_> i like it :) 22:42 < mnemoc_> and i hate gv 22:42 < valentin> ah 22:42 < valentin> thanks 22:42 < valentin> at least one person who mentaly supports me :) 22:43 < mnemoc_> :D 22:43 < mnemoc_> you have all my mental support :D 22:43 < valentin> that does good 22:44 < valentin> i hope rxr's printer is _fast_ 22:44 < mnemoc_> it's expensive at least :) 22:44 < mnemoc_> reviews finished? 22:45 < valentin> almost 22:45 < mnemoc_> i have to go to take the bus to return home, but not urgently 22:45 < valentin> i print it on good paper and skim over it 22:45 < valentin> well, i can do alone now 22:45 < mnemoc_> is the commas thing not valid on english? 22:45 < valentin> i am not sure, but one error is ok :) 22:45 < mnemoc_> :D 22:46 < mnemoc_> ok, i'll go 22:47 < mnemoc_> see you in 2:30 hours if you still awake :) 22:47 < mnemoc_> good printing 22:48 < valentin> well, i need to travel home after printing, so i guess i'll be awake 22:48 < valentin> good travel 23:03 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:19 < keinek> mnemoc_, are you there?P 23:24 < valentin> keinek: mnemoc_ travels home 23:24 < valentin> and usualy that takes a long time :( 23:29 < keinek> ok 23:29 < keinek> i wait for him 23:38 < jsaw> re 23:39 < valentin> hi --- Log closed Thu Mar 10 00:00:36 2005