T2 IRC Log: 2005-03-09

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--- Log opened Wed Mar 09 00:00:36 2005
00:04 < rxr> jeru: colors better?
00:05 < jeru> yep :)
00:07 < jeru> rxr: do you us a white background, right?
00:07 < jeru> use
00:08 < jeru> rxr/mnemoc: I'll commit the damn init script ... can you try to take a short look?
00:09 < rxr> sure
00:09 < jeru> thanks :)
00:12 < jeru> so ... commit done
00:12 < mnemoc> CIA-9: ?
00:12 < CIA-9> chris * r7199 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/ (prelude-manager.conf prelude_manager.init): * added sysv init script for prelude-manager
00:14 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/t2-scaling.png
00:14 < mnemoc> .oO( mnemosyne )o
00:16 < rxr> mnemoc: those on the picture are not target names ..
00:16 < mnemoc> :)
00:16 < rxr> guess yours scales from near embedded over server up to desktop ... ,-)
00:16 < jeru> rxr: looks good
00:16 < mnemoc> hehehe
00:16 < jeru> :D
00:17 < mnemoc> jeru: did you installed it?
00:17 < jeru> what?
00:17 < jeru> syne?
00:17 < mnemoc> yep
00:17 < jeru> of course
00:17 < jeru> :D
00:17 < mnemoc> how traumatic it was?
00:17 < jeru> no traumatic experience :)
00:18 < jeru> it runs for quite some time as an monitoring system at work ...
00:18 < jeru> :d
00:18 < jeru> :D
00:18 < mnemoc> great :)
00:18 < jeru> yep :)
00:19 < jeru> I'm very satisfied with it ... more than with the other tons of debian systems
00:20 < jeru> mnemoc: can you take a look over the just commited prelude-manager init script problem?
00:21 < mnemoc> jeru: yes, you missed the header of the init file
00:21 < jeru> hmmm ?
00:21 < mnemoc> prelude_manager.init
00:21 < rxr> yes ack - header like:
00:21 < rxr> # Desc: optional daemon for managing devfs
00:21 < rxr> # Runlevel: 13 rcX rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5
00:21 < rxr> it is used for inital symlink creation ..
00:21 < rxr> and needed later on in STONE ...
00:22 < jeru> ahhh ... !!!! damn jeru
00:22 < rxr> see the other init files
00:22 < mnemoc> i vote for a missing priority <--- one hour ago :p
00:23 < jeru> :)
00:23 < jeru> thank you ... :d
00:23 < jeru> d
00:23 < jeru> arrrgggg ....
00:23 < rxr> jeru: ?
00:24 < jeru> I just annoyed about me ... don't worry
00:24 < jeru> :D
00:24 < jeru> switching into happy mode
00:24 < jeru> :d
00:25 < jeru> my critter wants to eat my build system right now
00:25 < jeru> I think he needs some devotion
00:26 < jeru> and I need a cup of green tea
00:26 < jeru> :D
00:26 < rxr> hehehe
00:26 < rxr> what kind of critter do you have ?
00:26 < jeru> I just tell if you'll not laugh :)
00:27 < jeru> it's a "relict" of my ex-girlfriend
00:27 < jeru> a bunny
00:27 < jeru> :D
00:27 < rxr> ;P
00:27 < jeru> but he is quite funny
00:27 < jeru> and I love this small boy
00:28 < rxr> there are some free picture archives ..
00:28 < jeru> but I have to take care for all the cables as you can imagine
00:28 < rxr> but lost my historic konqueror bookmarks when osx erased my linux partition ...
00:28 < rxr> does anyone have some handy??
00:29 < jeru> hmmm ... mobile phone ?
00:29 < rxr> those with stuff like autumn trees, general nature, people and so on ...
00:29 < rxr> jeru: nope links to some free image archive ...
00:30 < jeru> oops ... openclipart ... I think you know
00:30 < rxr> not clipart ..
00:30 < rxr> real pictures ...
00:30 < jeru> I think on the openclipart site are some links
00:31 < rxr> damn - had so cool links from an old c't ... f*cking osx erasing my linux partition before I placed my $HOME into SVN ...
00:32 < rxr> ah - maybe s.th. like this:
00:32 < rxr> http://www.pixelperfectdigital.com/gallery/
00:32 < mnemoc> what do you recomend to draw circuits?
00:33 < rxr> have not done this under linux so far ..
00:33 < rxr> maybe you can use pcb ...
00:33 < jeru> I've a great CD with old pictures from berlin ... e.g. with old location of the "Siegessäule" before the "Reichstag" :)
00:33 < rxr> but there are some other free circuit drawers
00:33 < rxr> if all goes bad use a trial of eagle
00:33 < rxr> there is a x86 linux versino - but I hate eagle
00:34 < jeru> critter is in evil/terror mode right now
00:34 < mnemoc> :)
00:35 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/trunk/pr/
00:35 < rxr> ^- the home for the next gen T2 PR material ...
00:36 < mnemoc> :)
00:39 < rxr> I go into bed soon
00:42 < jeru> still having this division by 0 error
00:44 < rxr> then header is defect
00:44 < rxr> with the devfsd header pasted your init works ...
00:44 < rxr> maybe no runlevel number added ?
00:44 < jeru> Runlevel: 70 rcX rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5
00:45 < jeru> nope I see my problem ... hmmm ... I think I've to sleep too ... :D
00:45 < rxr> hash '
00:45 < rxr> #
00:45 < rxr> '
00:46 < rxr> hm - no - works eve without hash ,-)
00:46 < jeru> :)
01:02 < jeru> so ... finaly it works ... this was a hard lesson :|
01:02 < jeru> have to sleep now ...
01:04 < mnemoc> jeru: what was the problem?
01:07 < jeru> 1. the header
01:07 < jeru> 2. hook_add
01:07 < mnemoc> :)
01:07 < jeru> at least ... now I'm able to finish some "package construction sites" of mine :)
01:08 < jeru> there some pending init scripts for packages I commited :|
01:08 < jeru> anyway I will not use sysv but perhaps other people will be lucky
01:08 < jeru> :D
01:08 < mnemoc> there are lot of missing .init files
01:09 < jeru> yep
01:09 < mnemoc> but i want to power .tail format
01:09 < mnemoc> to generate sysvinit/minit/runit init files from there
01:09 < mnemoc> kind of 'compiled'
01:09 < jeru> yeah ... you've to explain me the details soon ... then I'm with you ;)
01:11 < jeru> but for now ... I just want to jump into my bed ... yippi
01:11 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru :)
01:11 < jeru> good night everybody ... thanks for the help :)
01:11 * mnemoc fighting against his non-working tetex
01:11 < jeru> n8 mnemoc
01:12 < jeru> good luck (aehmmm I mean fight)
01:12 < jeru> :d
01:12 < jeru> :D
01:12 < jeru> bye
01:12 < mnemoc> :)
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01:15 < CIA-9> chris * r7200 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/ (3 files): * fixed the init script for prelude-manager
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01:22 < CIA-9> amery * r7201 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (DNS.ask DNS.conf Network/DNS.ask Network/DNS.conf): * moved dns service plugin for mnemosyne into network services
01:23 < mnemoc> rxr: awake?
01:24 < rxr> yes
01:24 < rxr> barely / sadly
01:24 < mnemoc> ! Undefined control sequence.
01:24 < mnemoc> l.1 \documentclass [11pt]{article}
01:24 < mnemoc> what can i be missing?
01:25 < CIA-9> amery * r7202 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/gnue_appserver.ask: * added GNUe Application Server plugin of mnemosyne
01:25 < mnemoc> texhash done three times now :\
01:25 < rxr> mnemoc: our t2 paper - or your page ?
01:25 < rxr> hm - no idea what you miss ...
01:26 < mnemoc> tetex of my reinstalled laptop :\
01:26 < _Ragnar_> is there supposed to be a space between documentclass and [11pt]?
01:26 < mnemoc> that was added by the parser
01:26 < CIA-9> amery * r7203 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (13 files in 2 dirs): * moved Mail Service plugins into Mail/ on mnemosyne
01:27 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea - but I'm not a tex expert nor fan ...
01:27 < mnemoc> :(
01:28 < mnemoc> \documentclass[11pt]{article}
01:28 < mnemoc> \begin{document}
01:28 < mnemoc> I hate this
01:28 < mnemoc> \end{document}
01:28 < mnemoc> $ tex test.tex
01:28 < mnemoc> This is TeX, Version 3.141592 (Web2C 7.5.4)
01:28 < mnemoc> (./test.tex
01:28 < mnemoc> ! Undefined control sequence.
01:28 < mnemoc> l.1 \documentclass [11pt]{article}
01:29 < mnemoc> this crap should work!
01:29 < valentin> mnemoc: latex
01:29 < valentin> not tex
01:30 < mnemoc> oh
01:30 < _Ragnar_> oh, yea
01:30 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
01:30 < _Ragnar_> tex is way more low-level and doesn't know about documentclass & stuff ;)
01:30 < mnemoc> hehee
01:30 < mnemoc> missing alias :p
01:30 < valentin> yep - tex is just a dvi-preprocessor :)
01:31 < _Ragnar_> *rofl*
01:31 < mnemoc> stupid me, many many thanks :)
01:31 < mnemoc> i was getting nervious
01:39 < rxr> n8 all
01:40 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
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02:27 < jsaw> g'night
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03:35 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
03:35 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Feb 19 18:03:55 2005]
03:35 [Users #t2]
03:35 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ keinek] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
03:35 [ CIA-2 ] [ ideal ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ rxr_]
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07:59 < rxr_> moin
07:59 -!- You're now known as rxr
08:02 < mipe> hi rxr
08:03 < rxr> hi mipe
08:42 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr
08:42 < mtr> moin
08:55 < _Ragnar__> mipe: can you make a 64 bit iso or base system tgz available?
08:59 < mipe> iso isnt on my pc atleast,it might be on my other pc but it isnt here. so it has to wait until weekend if i go visit my parents
09:01 < mipe> you having problems with 64bit build?
09:02 < _Ragnar__> lots
09:02 < _Ragnar__> ;D
09:02 < _Ragnar__> but it might also be the hardware
09:03 < _Ragnar__> so I'd like to try a system that I know is running for someone else
09:04 < _Ragnar__> doesn't need to be a iso, if you can do a tbz2 of your 64bit machine that would be okay, too
09:11 < mipe> cat /dev/sda9 | tar xjf /disk9.img.bz
09:11 < mipe> this should be enough?
09:11 < rxr> I would tar the content ... ,-)
09:11 < mipe> so no pipe to bzip?
09:12 < rxr> moin _Ragnar__
09:12 < mipe> cat /dev/sda9 | tar cf /disk9.img.bz
09:12 < rxr> mipe: no I mean the mounted version ...
09:12 < rxr> mount sda ...
09:12 < mipe> ah so no byte to byte
09:12 < rxr> tar xvfISp (or so) /mount point ...
09:12 < rxr> and if you compess the image no tar at all .-)
09:13 < _Ragnar__> uhm
09:13 < rxr> when you compoess the image usage is harder - either loop mount and copy or place on a similalr sized partition ...
09:14 < rxr> and you might compress a lot of random garbage data since not all of the FS is full and not pre-zeroed ...
09:14 < _Ragnar__> why not just 'cd /; tar cfj system.tar.bz2 etc bin sbin lib* usr var' ?
09:14 < rxr> _Ragnar__: ack - my talking ,-)
09:14 < _Ragnar__> :D
09:15 < _Ragnar__> if you got X installed, it might help if you exclude usr/X11*
09:18 < CIA-2> chris * r7204 /trunk/package/security/prelude-nids/ (prelude-nids.conf prelude-nids.desc prelude-nids.init):
09:18 < CIA-2> * added sysv init script template for prelude-nids
09:18 < CIA-2> * added NOPARALLEL flag
09:19 < rxr> should be package ndiswrapper some day ? http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
09:19 < CIA-2> chris * r7205 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/ (prelude-lml.conf prelude-lml.init): * added sysv init script for prelude-lml
09:20 < _Ragnar__> it's pretty straightforward, but locating the right windows drivers is a pain;p
09:20 < rxr> yeah - built it once at my girlfriends box to test it on some stage wifi card ...
09:20 < rxr> but the card sucked so much - we gave it back ...
09:21 < rxr> I would package it just for completeness ...
09:21 < _Ragnar__> I don't have a choice, my laptop has a broadcom chipset ;p
09:23 < _Ragnar__> anyway, I need to get to bed
09:24 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar__
09:25 < _Ragnar__> mipe: can you make the tar.bz2 available?
09:25 < mipe> _RAgnar__: i have the tar but no place to upload it (109M)
09:27 < mipe> _Ragnar__:and i cant mess with firewall from here since its only accepts local connections and i'm not there.
09:27 < _Ragnar__> can you ftp upload it to my host?
09:27 < mipe> sure
09:28 < _Ragnar__> ftp://t2up:t2up@216.250.77.230/
09:29 < mipe> might take a while since only 512kb up
09:29 < _Ragnar__> thanks a lot :)
09:30 < _Ragnar__> should be done when I get up :)
09:30 < _Ragnar__> so, thanks and goodnight folks :)
09:30 < mipe> gn8 _Ragnar__
09:30 < _Ragnar__> have a nice day
09:31 < rxr> have a good night ,-)
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10:16 < Minto> Moin
10:16 < rxr> moin Minto
10:16 < Minto> Hi rxr, remember the bootsplash discussion?
10:18 < rxr> yep - saw there is a reimplementation that loads at least the image in user space
10:22 < Minto> Yes it's called usplash. I was able to compile it with T2. However, looking at the source it seems very premature, but the concept being used looks great.
10:23 < Minto> Now I am investigation what would be required to create it properly.
10:24 < Minto> You mentioned using something based on evas. Wasn't evas good enough? How about directFB?
10:25 < rxr> no - I would implement it using evas ...
10:27 < Minto> I'll have a look at evas. What would you consider for the splash configuration file?
10:28 < rxr> well - some very simple key value file that can be parsed using simple strtok - nothing fance that early in the boot process
10:32 < Minto> I'll consider it.
10:33 < rxr> cu
10:39 < mipe> _Ragnar__: file is uploaded,use existing grub it segfaults while running embed
10:40 < mipe> _Ragnar__:but rebuilding grub on it should fix the problem
10:40 < mipe> but have to go to school
10:40 -!- mipe is now known as mipe|school
11:18 < mipe|school> is there a reason to have /usr/$arch-t2-linux-gnu?
12:38 < mnemoc_> moin
12:40 < mipe|school> hi mnemoc_
12:40 < mnemoc_> hi mipe|school
12:40 < mipe|school> :(
12:43 < mnemoc_> why that face?
12:44 < mipe|school> me at school
12:45 < mipe|school> in a class that you dont wanna know
12:45 < mnemoc_> :)
13:18 < CIA-2> chris * r7206 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-common/gnue-common.desc: * updated gnue-common (0.5.13 -> 0.5.14)
13:18 < CIA-2> chris * r7207 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-appserver/gnue-appserver.desc: * updated gnue-appserver (0.4.0 -> 0.4.1)
13:23 < mipe|school> mnemoc:do you know why crt?.o needs to be in /usr/$arch-t2-linux-gnu/lib
13:24 < mnemoc_> where do you want it?
13:26 < mipe|school> those are just symlinks, real path is /usr/lib{,64}, i mean /usr/*-t2-* has just binutils stuff
13:26 < CIA-2> chris * r7208 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-forms/gnue-forms.desc: * updated gnue-form (0.5.10 -> 0.5.11)
13:27 * mnemoc_ wonders if jeru has tested those
13:28 < mipe|school> do we really need that /usr/$arch_target? i was thinking of looking over it,also would mean some cleanups on gcc.conf(remove hacks etc..)
13:29 < mnemoc_> rxr rewrote it some weeks ago
13:29 < mipe|school> but not yet commited?
13:30 < mnemoc_> yep, commited and well tested
13:30 < mipe|school> ah the gcc.conf?
13:30 < mnemoc_> yes
13:31 < mnemoc_> it's considered hack-free
13:36 < CIA-2> amery * r7209 /trunk/package/python/psycopg/psycopg.conf: * fixed psycopg to use pkgprefix
13:56 < mnemoc_> mipe|school: if you look into T2's file hierarchy you will see _lot_ of 'compatibility' symlinks, to make packages and users happy
13:57 < mnemoc_> we may change 'legacy-user-compatibility' into an option
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14:01 < jsaw> re
14:04 < valentin> hi
14:04 < valentin> jsaw, mnemoc_ : most probably our child will be a girl, too
14:05 < mnemoc_> :D
14:05 < mnemoc_> welcome to the suffering-in-ten-years team
14:05 < jsaw> :D
14:05 < valentin> .oO
14:05 < jsaw> hehe
14:06 < valentin> anybody an idea how to include figure-like elements in multicolumn environment ?
14:06 < jsaw> you should say, suffering-in-ten-years-until-out-of-house-and-far-away team...
14:06 < mnemoc_> :)
14:07 < valentin> and all the boys will be born at #rocklinux ? *g*
14:08 < jsaw> hehe
14:08 < mnemoc_> :p
14:08 < jsaw> re-unification in, about, eh... 25years?
14:08 < mnemoc_> *G*
14:08 < valentin> hm, 16y
14:09 < jsaw> okay, okay, the girls mature faster...
14:09 < mnemoc_> the other half is getting behind
14:09 < valentin> *GG*
14:10 < mnemoc_> we will double them in less than a year due to their politics :)
14:11 < mnemoc_> .oO( tea crashes when opening files )o
14:11 < valentin> 105 patches in February compared to 1000 revisions here
14:11 < jsaw> ?.?
14:12 < valentin> 14:06 < valentin> anybody an idea how to include figure-like elements in multicolumn environment ?
14:13 < valentin> urgent, need to finish the printout for the CeBIT today :/
14:14 < jsaw> lemma see, one sec
14:14 < mnemoc_> what class do you use for curriculum vitae?
14:14 < jsaw> iirc, simply use \includegraphics or \epsfig or so
14:15 < valentin> jsaw: that works, but i want a subtitle below it
14:15 < jsaw> mnemoc_: article and a few
14:15 < jsaw> valentin: {minipage}{size} ... and then use figure env
14:18 < valentin> minipage works inside of the multicolumn
14:19 < valentin> but putting a picture in there fails
14:19 < jsaw> okay, lemma check
14:19 < valentin> ! LaTeX Error: Not in outer par mode.
14:19 < valentin> See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
14:19 < valentin> Type H for immediate help.
14:19 < valentin> ...
14:19 < valentin> l.60 \begin{figure}[H]
14:20 < jsaw> maybe http://www.csit.fsu.edu/~mimi/tex/doc/html/faq/FAQ-mcfloat.html
14:21 < valentin> i'll try that
14:22 < jsaw> If you don't need the reference of the figure, do the caption by hand
14:22 < valentin> if everything else fails, i'll do that
14:25 < valentin> i think i'll use hand-oriented minipages rather than figures ...
14:26 < jsaw> placing floats inside floats is,...., well, hard
14:30 < valentin> is there a way to find out the width of the column i am in to adapt minipage size ?
14:31 < jsaw> \linewidth
14:31 < jsaw> ?
14:31 < valentin> thx
14:33 < valentin> i have no latex book here at rene's flat :(
14:34 < jsaw> never had...I'm always grepping the classes...
14:34 < jsaw> but I do latex professionally for two books since a couple of years...
14:35 < valentin> so next question - is there an easy way to create text loating around a graphic ?
14:35 < valentin> jsaw: i wrote many scientific articles and scripts in latex, but i seldom needed graphics or so
14:35 < jsaw> no... but possible
14:36 < valentin> the most complex thing i ever did was a hughe multipage table full of hand-rendered elements
14:36 < jsaw> *nice* :D
14:36 < valentin> and embeding a avi video in a tex file
14:37 < jsaw> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=textflow
14:37 < valentin> in such a way that it is conserved in ps2pdf output
14:37 < jsaw> package "floatflt"
14:37 < jsaw> do you use prosper for presentations?
14:38 < valentin> i did once
14:38 < valentin> s/did/had to do/ i hate presentations
14:38 < jsaw> I made my own style, with automatic topic highlighting (like a menu on a homepage)
14:38 < jsaw> and added this nice progress bar
14:38 < valentin> i gave all my seminars at university and work using a piece of chalk
14:38 < jsaw> was fun!
14:39 < valentin> jsaw: nice - maybe i'll ask for it next time i need that
14:40 < jsaw> BUT BE WARNED: your boss may be offended because it looks too professional... and he may think you spent weeks for the design.... :|
14:40 < jsaw> at least that happend to me *g*
14:40 < jsaw> these ppt users have no idea...
14:40 < valentin> my boss is a blackboard freak - he hates ppt, too
14:41 < jsaw> _good_
14:41 < jsaw> <- coffee, bias
14:41 < valentin> though he did some very nice latex-based presentations when requesting money from the dfg or so
14:50 < jsaw> re
14:51 < jsaw> valentin: can you send me how you embed avi's into pdf's?
14:52 < valentin> i did a hack to generate an eps with special postscript commandos that are evaluated when the ps is translated
14:52 < valentin> the only problem: 1) you need a pdf viewer that can handle multimedia content (the only one that worked a year ago was adobe's)
14:53 < valentin> 2) i read the pdf standart, but i did not find out how to create an autoplay trigger
14:53 < valentin> you need to click inside the video-frame to start it
14:54 < jsaw> I prefer that anyway
14:54 < valentin> mom - i copy the latest version and hope it still works ...
14:56 < jsaw> look here: http://www.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~jsaw/gm-2004-11-04.pdf (contains theoretical errors, but only for showing you the prosper style, 1Mb)
14:57 < valentin> do you use pdflatex ?
14:57 < jsaw> yes
14:57 < jsaw> stop
14:57 < jsaw> no,
14:57 < jsaw> ps2pdf
14:58 < jsaw> ps2pdf -dPDFsettings=/prepress -dAutoFilterColorImages=false -dColorImageFilter=/FlateEncode
14:58 < jsaw> and dvips -Ppdf -G0
14:58 < valentin> ok
14:59 < valentin> some transformations did not work
14:59 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/texvideo/
15:00 < valentin> jsaw: can you just compile the test file using normal latex to see if that version works ?
15:02 < jsaw> latex works
15:03 < valentin> and the video ?
15:04 < jsaw> no
15:04 < valentin> do you have one ?
15:05 < valentin> the test.avi ?
15:06 < jsaw> yes
15:06 < valentin> and how did you create the pdf ?
15:07 < valentin> ps2pdf ?
15:07 < jsaw> as above
15:07 < valentin> i have no acroreader handy, so i cannot test it
15:09 < jsaw> oh, double click... but it says: missing plugin...
15:09 < valentin> it the bounding box there ?
15:10 < jsaw> yes
15:10 < jsaw> and the test.avi is not embedded
15:11 < valentin> yes
15:11 < valentin> embeding data into pdf is quite tricky
15:11 < valentin> if you find out how to hack that, tell me :)
15:13 < jsaw> :)
15:14 < valentin> i was happy once i had this video in the pdf for presentation
15:16 < valentin> needed that to get money from a stupid biology forschungszentrum - those biologists only understand colorfull pictures
15:18 < valentin> the floatflt produces trash in multicolumn, but wrapfig works
15:18 < valentin> but there are huge borders around the figure
15:19 < valentin> jsaw: do you know the variables for that ?
15:21 < jsaw> no - not without looking into the style.
15:22 < jsaw> I have to pick up my family, back in some minutes
15:22 < valentin> ok
15:22 < valentin> cu
15:46 < CIA-2> chris * r7210 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.conf: * added check for heimdal krb5
16:01 < jsaw> re
16:10 < valentin> hi
16:46 < valentin> jsaw: there are hardcoded colors, like green, red .... how can i set rgb colors ?
16:57 < valentin> any one a good phrase for 'huge set of XYZ' ? i do not want to repeat in my text
17:16 < valentin> ok, found out about the colors
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17:37 < sepp> hi
17:39 < sepp> on an x86-64 all 64 bit libs should be installed to *lib64 ? /usr/lib64 for example
17:40 < jsaw> valentin: yep, do not remember exactly, sth. like definecolor{name}{type}{values}, where type is e.g. rgb, gray or cmyk or so
17:41 < mipe|school> sepp:yep
17:42 < sepp> mipe|school: libpng libjpg libglut libpython are all in /usr/lib
17:42 -!- mipe|school is now known as mipe
17:42 < valentin> jsaw: found that out
17:42 < mipe> sepp:yep known problem
17:42 < valentin> 16:57 < valentin> any one a good phrase for 'huge set of XYZ' ? i do not want to repeat in my text
17:43 * mipe is going for sauna
17:43 < valentin> much fun
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17:46 < jsaw> going home, cu
17:46 < valentin> cu jsaw
17:48 < jeru> moin
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17:57 < keinek> hi everybody!
17:59 < mipe> so how many of you are at cebit tomorrow(?)?
18:00 < valentin> me, rxr and susanne
18:01 * valentin
18:01 < valentin> hm
18:01 < valentin> in the line above the /me command did not work
18:01 * valentin , rxr and susanne
18:02 < valentin> good :)
18:02 < valentin> disliked the ','
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18:20 < keinek> is possible that the minimal generic with boot iso are 140 mb?
18:21 < keinek> if is right i was create my first T2!
18:22 < keinek> jeru are you there?
18:23 < jeru> here I am
18:23 < keinek> is possible that the minimal generic with boot iso are 140 mb?
18:23 < jeru> keinek: have never build a minimal generic ... but it could be that small ... but doesn't know exactly
18:24 < keinek> Mmmm ok.
18:24 < keinek> i try that iso en vmware :P
18:24 < jeru> that's a good idea ;)
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18:40 < jeru> keinek: does it work?
18:48 < keinek> jeru: yes work
18:49 < keinek> i test it in the real machine, i was burn the cd :)
18:49 < keinek> but... the generic minimal dont have "midnight commander" :(
18:49 < keinek> in the next build I will add
18:52 < keinek> jeru i am very happy :P
18:52 < keinek> now i will create one for DURON
18:53 < keinek> ¿what optimise will must choose?
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18:58 < jeru> keinek: :D
18:59 * jeru is back
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19:00 < keinek> Mmmmm
19:00 < keinek> jeru where is the autodetec configuratio of the beta 2?
19:00 < keinek> in this beta is not here :(
19:01 < keinek> in the beta 2 i was use pci automatic detection
19:01 < keinek> and now?
19:26 < jsaw> keinek: rockplug package?
19:37 < keinek> yes
19:37 < keinek> in the iso i was download
19:37 < keinek> when i press up pci autodetect all
19:37 < keinek> now
19:37 < keinek> this not appear
19:37 < keinek> only edit pci
19:37 < keinek> ¿is because the minimal generic?
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19:39 < keinek> T2 2.1.0.rc1 is the current versiona that i use
19:39 < keinek> ¿is good?
20:07 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/T2.ps.gz
20:07 < valentin> missing the logo
20:08 < valentin> and two blub paragraphs
20:08 < valentin> comments ?
20:24 < valentin> noone ? :(
21:07 < mnemoc_> re
21:08 < mnemoc_> hi :)
21:08 < valentin> do you like the new logo : http://exactcode.de/valentin/logo.png
21:08 < valentin> a provisoric one
21:08 < mnemoc_> keinek: rc1 is not yet a 'version', rc1 is the next version, and every change we do now will go there
21:08 < valentin> and please comment the handout text
21:09 < mnemoc_> valentin: hard to read on this laptop, nice idea
21:11 < mnemoc_> jeru!
21:18 < CIA-2> amery * r7211 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.conf: * reverted 7210 because extension code goes on extender and not on extendee. (heimdal/postgresql)
21:18 < valentin> i hope ms will not sue us - i should change the colors
21:18 < valentin> from orange to sth different
21:18 < valentin> or what did they use for their jsaw ?
21:19 < mnemoc_> where ms has a puzzle?
21:21 < valentin> they had puzzle pieces or so
21:21 * mnemoc_ likes blue and gray
21:22 < valentin> with facy borders now http://exactcode.de/valentin/logo.png
21:23 < valentin> mnemoc_: me, too but there is so much blue in the lower part
21:23 < valentin> and i need sth light at the top to fit the first decoration
21:25 < mnemoc_> can you 'unbound' the puzzle? looks too 'limited'
21:26 < valentin> mnemoc_ can you ? i need to formulate two paragraphs of text
21:26 < valentin> and i want to print soon
21:26 < mnemoc_> i dont' have that 'talent'
21:26 < valentin> i do not like to do graphics, too
21:26 < mnemoc_> i can only draw boxes :(
21:26 < valentin> hehe
21:26 < mnemoc_> ok, i like it :)
21:26 < valentin> maybe next time
21:29 < valentin> can someone do 15 lines of text for me ?
21:29 < mnemoc_> i'm writting too :p
21:29 < valentin> i am too tired now and cannot think good english anymore
21:30 < mnemoc_> we need more human resources :(
21:32 < valentin> well, where the f*** is rxr ?
21:33 < mnemoc_> good question
21:34 < mnemoc_> going back to berlin because he forgot something for cebit?
21:42 < valentin> no, i think he still is on cebit
21:42 < valentin> was there the whole day
21:43 < mnemoc_> doing what?
21:43 < valentin> taking chance to talk with other buissnesses before the show opens officialy
21:43 < mnemoc_> :)
21:43 < mnemoc_> lobby
21:45 < CIA-2> amery * r7212 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-panelmenu/xfce4-panelmenu.desc: * updated xfce4-panelmenu (0.2.1 -> 0.2.2)
22:05 < valentin> so, finished the text and layout
22:05 < valentin> now correcting it ...
22:05 < valentin> i'll upload a new version in a few minutes
22:06 < mnemoc_> are you versioning PR material?
22:07 < mnemoc_> do you know any tex2doc converter? :(
22:08 < mnemoc_> any free tex2doc converter?
22:08 < mnemoc_> http://members.a1.net/t.link/tex2doc.html
22:08 < mnemoc_> :)
22:10 < valentin> i am sleeping not versioning
22:10 < valentin> but it is in svn
22:11 < valentin> in the handbook trunk in pr
22:11 < mnemoc_> nice
22:12 < CIA-2> amery * r7213 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/ (last_lx26.diff pkg_linux26_post.conf): * fixed l7-filter kernel patch to apply to 2.6.11
22:12 < mnemoc_> go to sleep, tomorrow will be a long day
22:13 < valentin> i cannot go
22:13 < mnemoc_> :(
22:13 < valentin> need to print that handout
22:13 < valentin> tonight
22:13 < mnemoc_> outch
22:13 < valentin> because tomorow i will travel to hannover
22:13 < valentin> to the cebit
22:14 < mnemoc_> can't rxr print it there?
22:14 < valentin> i only sleept 4h/night the last days, soo
22:14 < valentin> 300 double sided prints on a lousy inkjet ?
22:14 < mnemoc_> we need you with a nice face there :)
22:14 < mnemoc_> valentin: oh
22:15 < valentin> i'll print it here with a good laser printer
22:15 < mnemoc_> ack
22:15 < mnemoc_> i thought you will 'poster' it
22:15 < valentin> could you or someone else proof read the handout before i start printing them ?
22:16 < mnemoc_> ok
22:16 < valentin> almost finished the upload
22:16 < mnemoc_> the same you pulbished minutes ago?
22:16 < mnemoc_> the same url*
22:16 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/T2.ps.gz
22:16 < valentin> yep
22:17 < mnemoc_> 10.3K/s
22:17 < valentin> i'll read it too now
22:17 < valentin> its quite big, but rxr wanted all the pixmaps in there
22:17 < valentin> ,)
22:17 < mnemoc_> i didn't see anything about cross-build-ability on my first overreading
22:17 < valentin> ouhm
22:18 < valentin> well, that should be clear :p
22:18 < mnemoc_> yes?
22:18 < valentin> hm
22:18 * mnemoc_ reading
22:18 < valentin> how would you add that in one sentence ?
22:18 < valentin> if you have an idea, tell me :)
22:19 < mnemoc_> .oO
22:19 < mnemoc_> "using your best machines blah blah"
22:20 < valentin> yeah
22:21 < mnemoc_> but replace the blah blah with something :)
22:21 < valentin> i'd say in the build kit section after the first sentence ?
22:21 < valentin> how can i turn on aspells tex filter ?
22:21 < mnemoc_> no idea :p
22:24 < mnemoc_> "including a possible installer CD Creation"
22:24 < mnemoc_> possible or optional?
22:26 < valentin> opional
22:26 < valentin> +t
22:28 < mnemoc_> "like KDE and GNOME and many server and security additions"
22:28 < mnemoc_> the first and, a comma?
22:29 < valentin> so i aspelled away a lot of errors
22:30 < mnemoc_> yes?
22:30 < valentin> minor spelling errors
22:30 < valentin> btw: is it tool-chain and hard-drive ?
22:30 < valentin> 22:29 < mnemoc_> the first and, a comma?
22:30 < valentin> good point
22:31 < mnemoc_> "good custom linux distribution for it is a T2 philosophy...."
22:31 < mnemoc_> to sentences wrongly joined
22:31 < mnemoc_> two*
22:31 < mnemoc_> valentin: i thing the '-' is ok
22:32 < valentin> ok
22:32 < valentin> so toolchain or tool-chain ? same for hard-drive ?
22:33 < mnemoc_> i have seen toolchain too many times, i'm used to it
22:33 < mnemoc_> hard-drive is splited
22:34 < valentin> with a '-'
22:34 < mnemoc_> yep
22:35 < mnemoc_> the first STONE might go between commas
22:35 < valentin> cross build or cross-build between architectures ?
22:35 < mnemoc_> i vote for cross-build
22:35 < mnemoc_> cross-built*
22:35 < valentin> ok
22:36 < mnemoc_> i like the 'framework' thing :)
22:36 < valentin> what framework thing ?
22:36 < mnemoc_> the use of 'framework' for defining T2
22:37 < mnemoc_> the easy/secure updates is a good thing to add on "why T2 is a good choice"
22:37 < valentin> yep
22:37 < valentin> there is the framework
22:37 < valentin> secure ?
22:38 < mnemoc_> backup of modified files
22:38 < mnemoc_> backup/restore of modified files
22:38 < mnemoc_> "without missing your current configuration"?
22:39 < valentin> ok
22:40 < valentin> what first stone in commas ?
22:40 < mnemoc_> Administration:
22:40 < mnemoc_> The config tool STONE allows blah blah blah
22:40 < mnemoc_> commas or ()
22:41 < valentin> hm ?
22:41 < mnemoc_> , named STONE, ?
22:41 < mnemoc_> at least on spanish you have to do that
22:42 < mnemoc_> finished
22:42 < mnemoc_> i like it :)
22:42 < mnemoc_> and i hate gv
22:42 < valentin> ah
22:42 < valentin> thanks
22:42 < valentin> at least one person who mentaly supports me :)
22:43 < mnemoc_> :D
22:43 < mnemoc_> you have all my mental support :D
22:43 < valentin> that does good
22:44 < valentin> i hope rxr's printer is _fast_
22:44 < mnemoc_> it's expensive at least :)
22:44 < mnemoc_> reviews finished?
22:45 < valentin> almost
22:45 < mnemoc_> i have to go to take the bus to return home, but not urgently
22:45 < valentin> i print it on good paper and skim over it
22:45 < valentin> well, i can do alone now
22:45 < mnemoc_> is the commas thing not valid on english?
22:45 < valentin> i am not sure, but one error is ok :)
22:45 < mnemoc_> :D
22:46 < mnemoc_> ok, i'll go
22:47 < mnemoc_> see you in 2:30 hours if you still awake :)
22:47 < mnemoc_> good printing
22:48 < valentin> well, i need to travel home after printing, so i guess i'll be awake
22:48 < valentin> good travel
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23:19 < keinek> mnemoc_, are you there?P
23:24 < valentin> keinek: mnemoc_ travels home
23:24 < valentin> and usualy that takes a long time :(
23:29 < keinek> ok
23:29 < keinek> i wait for him
23:38 < jsaw> re
23:39 < valentin> hi
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