--- Log opened Tue Mar 08 00:00:36 2005
00:01 < rxr> oh my god
00:01 < _Ragnar_> ?
00:02 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/57164
00:02 < rxr> In dem 2003 erteilten Patent mit der Nummer 6,587,403 wird eine "Music Jukebox" beschrieben, die Musiktitel abspeichern kann und aus der sich Titel zum Anh??ren ausw??hlen lassen.
00:02 < rxr> valentin: we should stop doing software and just patenting such trivial stuff ...
00:02 < _Ragnar_> yea
00:02 < _Ragnar_> US patent law sucks
00:02 < jeru> :/
00:03 < rxr> 1. key field to enter choices - e.g. to call people unlock doors aor enter text
00:03 < rxr> claim: on all
00:04 < rxr> 2. devices to reduce preasure on muscles e.g. to sit on, or move around e.g. car and  co
00:04 < rxr> claims: all
00:04 < _Ragnar_> problem is there's no incentive for the patent lawyers to really verify the scope of the patent
00:04 < jeru> ragnar: it's just a matter of time, and we will have the same situation here ... :/
00:05 < _Ragnar_> I hope that can be averted yet
00:05 < jeru> just as public enemy said: "fight the power"
00:05 < _Ragnar_> fight corruption
00:06 < jeru> fight capitalism
00:06 < _Ragnar_> you can't tell me that those guys from the EU-rat were not bought every one of them
00:06 < jeru> of course they are
00:06 < rxr> jeru: time? there are already many many illegal patents filled in the EU that seem to be converted into legal right today ...
00:06 < valentin> _Ragnar_: don't underestimate patent lawyers
00:06 < rxr> including amazon's one clikc patent ...
00:06 < jeru> ragnar: i know :/
00:07 < valentin> a "good" patentlawyer will formulate as many audacious claims as possible
00:07 < rxr> valentin: if we really get this patent situation we shold really consider writing such crap down the wohle day ..
00:08 < valentin> rxr: but then you need the $20.000 per claim for the lawyer
00:09 < rxr> the inital low volume money could be gained with not that high claims ...
00:09 < rxr> start with 1x.xxx EUR and only go up to the 1xx.xxx range when initial safeguard is gained ...
00:10 < jeru> this is where the decisions will be made (not in the EU Rat): http://www.ert.be/
00:10 < jeru> no: are made
00:10 < valentin> rxr: but it takes at least 4 years before you can earn money with a patent
00:10 < valentin> Since its creation in 1983, ERT has contributed significantly to an improved dialogue between industry and governments, at both national and European levels.
00:10 < jeru> just take a look at the members of ERT
00:11 < valentin> *LOL*
00:11 < valentin> dialouge - what a nice term for bribe
00:12 < rxr> ah - now I konw where nestl?(C) is from ...
00:12 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
00:13 < rxr> ok /me in bed ...
00:13 < valentin> hm, no searching on that page ?
00:13 < valentin> haha : 
00:13 < valentin> http://www.ert.be/pb/pbb/enbb_frame.htm
00:14 < valentin> who thought that :)
00:14 < rxr> ?
00:14 < valentin> content index is corrupt
00:15 < _Ragnar_> the webmaster wasn't bribed enough;)
00:15 < rxr> cool
00:16 < jeru> or just google for the words: Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations and The World Economic Forum (or Davos Group)
00:16 < jeru> http://www.trilateral.org/
00:17 < jeru> these m*therf***ers
00:17 < rxr> permanently stored:
00:17 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/ert-corrupt.png
00:18 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
00:19 < valentin> add this to your blog
00:19 < jeru> and our dear german president Mr. Köhler is one of the members of the trilateral commision :/
00:19 < valentin> okay, i have to admit the ert can't be corrupt, only politicans can be
00:20 < valentin> jeru: still is ?
00:20 < jeru> of course
00:20 < jeru> graf lambsdorf too, i think
00:20 < jeru> joseph ackermann (deutsche bank)
00:20 < jeru> and so on ...
00:21 < jeru> valentin: what do expect from a former chef of the IMF
00:22 < jeru> The Bilderberg Group:
00:22 < jeru> Taking its membership from Europe and North America this group was set up in 1954 by his 'grey eminence' Joseph Retinger and ex-SS officer Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands.
00:22 < valentin> thee trilateral logo reminds me of biohazard
00:23 < jeru> :)
00:24 < valentin> oha - many trilateral (ex-)members are neocons
00:25 < jeru> so nobody in germany should wondering about the so called neo-nazis ... this is just the infantry 
00:26 < valentin> well, i live in lichtenberg - and when you encounter a group of them at night, you do care ...
00:28 < jeru> :/
00:29 < rxr> n8 all
00:29 < valentin> n8 rxr
00:29 < jeru> night rxr .. sleep well
00:29  * valentin has to stand up in 6h, so i'll go to bed now, too
00:29 < valentin> gn8
00:29 < jeru> my last experience with some "people" in lichtenberg was really no very funny
00:29 < valentin> hm
00:29 < valentin> many "assis" here
00:30 < jeru> :D
00:30 < valentin> but also some nice people
00:30 < valentin> i.e. me, my gf .... :)
00:30 < jeru> :)
00:30 < _Ragnar_> *g*
00:31 < valentin> and annual streatfights on may,1st when the nationalists are marching
00:32 < valentin> last year even more here than in Xberg
00:33 < jeru> but as I said before .... these "assis" just playing a desired role ...
00:33 < jeru> it's part of the game
00:34 < jeru> think about how many nazis where left out prison after world war 2 in western germany
00:34 < jeru> think about Flick and Co.
00:34 < jeru> arrrrggg ....
00:35 < valentin> yep
00:36 < valentin> think about how many important people from the third reich made a career in justice and politics
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00:36 < jeru> yep ... that's what I mean :/
00:37 < valentin> oh - i forgot industry
00:38 < jeru> and now imagine 200.000 communists which where prisoners in a KZ haven't got any compensation
00:39 < jeru> because the judges in western germany where telling them they are "terrorists"
00:39 < _Ragnar_> ;P
00:41 < jeru> contrary ... no judge from "Volksgerichtshof" was convicted
00:41 < jeru> who wonders now about neo-nazis ?
00:42 < valentin> or think off all the germans that refused to fight in the wehrmacht and had to stay in prison after WWII
00:43 < jeru> valentin: as you see ... there are countless stories ...
00:44 < jeru> but the problem is, that we just want to forget our history instead of learning from it
00:48 < jeru> mostly we don't considder that Hitler needed some funds for doing all this shit ... but where came the money from? Just ask for: cui bono!
00:48 < jeru> and we're back to ERT
00:48 < valentin> esp here in germany 3rd reich history is mystified and the focus is only on the atrocities
00:48 < jeru> that's true
00:49 < valentin> nsda was pushed in the late twenties by capitalists all 
00:49 < valentin> around the world
00:49 < jeru> yep ... 
00:49 < valentin> as a contrary model to communism
00:50 < jeru> in fact the industrialist have funded both!
00:50 < valentin> both ?
00:51 < jeru> the same american group, where grandfather of George W. was involved in, has financed Hitler and Stalin
00:51 < jeru> just call it synthesis
00:51 < _Ragnar_> mussolini, too
00:52 < jeru> I finance 2 enemies ... and will be the laughing 3rd
00:52 < _Ragnar_> in italy, the US meddling with elections to get fascists elected was pretty common, before and after ww2
00:53 < valentin> i wonder if they did so for belusconi
00:54 < jeru> the cia have transfered top nazis with help of the mafia and the vatican (over the so called "Rat Line" via Rome) to Southamerica, where they build up new military regimes
00:54 < jsaw> <- back tomorrow. (Have to switch of my lab machine due to scheduled re-wiring of electricity), and have to sleep a bit now... cu guys
00:55 < jeru> You know the "Death Squads" in South and Latin America!
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00:56 < jeru> mostly trained by nazis in mission of the cia
00:56 < _Ragnar_> well now the cia and fbi does that directly
00:56 < jeru> that's true ... 
00:57 < valentin> as far as i know, some persons of the waffen-ss did some military training for us elite troops
00:58 < jeru> yep ... these people have long relationships ... long before WW2
00:59 < valentin> i do not know...
00:59 < valentin> some persons were fetched because of their skills, like oppenheimer and von braun
00:59 < jeru> all the genocide thoughts where not just german thoughts !
01:00 < jeru> e.g. the americans have sterilzed disabled people in the 20th
01:01 < jeru> and the german KZ "doctors" had big friends in the U.S. before WW2
01:01 < _Ragnar_> there are enough americans this day that call for genocide against muslims
01:02 < jeru> these crazy motherf*****
01:03 < valentin> there are minorities of motherf***** everywhere on this world, the question is which societies fall for them
01:03 < jeru> ack
01:03  * _Ragnar_ points to the neocons ruling the US
01:04 < _Ragnar_> and this time it will be arabs who are getting put into KZs, and gays, too, of course
01:05 < valentin> ok, i would not go so far to compare the us administration to ns, but they slighly turn america into a totalitarian state
01:05 < _Ragnar_> step by step
01:05 < jeru> ack
01:08 < jeru> so ... have to sleep now ... cu all
01:08 < valentin> so, lets stop that for today - otherwise we might get in trouble some day :/
01:08 < jeru> :)
01:09 < valentin> reminder: this chat is logged
01:09 < valentin> gn8 all
01:09 < jeru> haha
01:09 < jeru> good night valentin
01:09 < jeru> they can log whatever they want
01:09 < jeru> :)
01:09 < jeru> bye bye
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02:03 < mnemoc> i got a banned ip :(
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02:08 < mnemoc> what works better autotrace or potrace?
02:52 < CIA-9> amery * r7163 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * moved libmspack from develop/ to archives/
03:02 < CIA-9> amery * r7164 /trunk/package/network/apache/apache.conf: * fixed apache to install suexec on $bindir instead of $sbindir. httpd wants it there
03:04 < CIA-9> amery * r7165 /trunk/package/java/classpath/classpath.desc: * repriorized classpath before kaffe, even considering kaffe don't need it.
03:07 < CIA-9> amery * r7166 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/java-config.in: * changed java-config.in use kaffe when blackdown-sdk is not installed
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03:12 < keinek> Mmmm 2 hours remain for download again the t2 iso 1
03:12 < keinek> :)
03:12 < keinek> ohhh jeru is away
03:13 < keinek> mnemoc 
03:13 < keinek> are you there?
03:13 < CIA-9> amery * r7167 /trunk/package/x11/gatos-drm-kernel/gatos-drm-kernel.conf: * fixed syntax typo on gatos-drm-kernel
03:13 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
03:14 < keinek> hi
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08:21 < mipe> good morning all
08:44 < _Ragnar_> mmmmmm :) the 64 bit build seems to work much better now :D
08:55 < mipe> you building it?
08:55 < _Ragnar_> yea
08:55 < _Ragnar_> did a cross build yesterday and now I'm building natively using the cross-built packages
08:56 < mipe> i have some issues on getting bootdisk build for it
08:56 < _Ragnar_> btw, rxr_: why can't one do './scripts/Build-Pkg linux-header' ... that should be a straight enough job, or?
08:57 < _Ragnar_> oh
08:57 < _Ragnar_> probably won't be coming to this stage until much later, since I'm already on the host
08:57 < _Ragnar_> I used a gentoo install to untar the cross packages then chrooted into it
08:59 < _Ragnar_> but when I have a working environment and editor again I'll try to build bootdisk
09:05 < rxr_> moin
09:05 < mipe> hi rxr
09:05 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:06 < rxr> Build-Pkg linux-header should work, what problem do you see
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09:12 < rxr> BitTorrent 4.0.0 Released
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09:32 < mipe> heh worlds first mobile phone mms viruse found
09:41 < CIA-9> rene * r7169 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/ (bittorrent.conf bittorrent.desc): * updated bittorrent (3.4.2 -> 0.4.0)
09:41 < CIA-9> rene * r7170 /trunk/package/x11/blackbox/ (blackbox.desc gcc33-support.patch gcc34.patch): * updated blackbox (0.65.0 -> 0.70.0)
09:51 < CIA-9> rene * r7171 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * fixed bittorrent version and injected the checksum
11:00 < CIA-9> rene * r7172 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: 
11:00 < CIA-9> * only select firefox and links from the www repository as well as
11:00 < CIA-9>  auctex and mutt for the desktop target
11:47 < mipe> rxr:did you try to build bootdisk target and see if you get same error as i get?
12:09 < rxr> for x86 or x86-64 ?
12:10 < rxr> 680 builds total, 663 completed fine, 17 with errors.
12:10 < rxr> mostly known stuff - including the kde-i18n ...
12:11 < mipe> for x86
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12:11 < mipe> if its not only x86-64
12:11 < rxr> ok - I start it now
12:18 < CIA-9> mtr * r7173 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/ (directfb.desc linux_input.patch): * update directfb (0.9.21 -> 0.9.22)
12:26 < CIA-9> mtr * r7174 /trunk/package/contrib/vidix/ (. vidix.desc): * add package vidix (0.9.9)
12:32 < CIA-9> mtr * r7175 /trunk/package/contrib/fusionsound/fusionsound.desc: * update fusionsound (0.9.21 -> 0.9.22)
12:32 < CIA-9> mtr * r7176 /trunk/package/contrib/dfbsee/dfbsee.desc: * fix dfbsee [D] url
12:37 < CIA-9> mtr * r7177 /trunk/package/contrib/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
12:37 < CIA-9> * add package dfb-extra (0.9.22)
12:37 < CIA-9> * add package dfb-examples (0.9.22)
12:47 < CIA-9> mtr * r7178 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb-linux-fusion/kernel-version.patch: * fix kernel module copy if misc/ does not exist
13:03 < CIA-9> mtr * r7179 /trunk/package/multimedia/lirc/ (. lirc.conf lirc.desc postlinux.conf): * add package lirc (0.7.0)
13:03 < CIA-9> mtr * r7180 /trunk/package/multimedia/noad/ (. noad.desc): * add package noad (0.6.0)
13:06 < rxr> the mplayer makefiles stink
13:09 < rxr> and they do not know how to use enums ... #define hell .. .:-8
13:11 < CIA-9> mtr * r7181 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-apps/ (dvb-apps.conf dvb-apps.desc dvb-install.patch): 
13:11 < CIA-9> * update dvb-apps (1.1.0 -> CVS) to use latest DVB-S/C/T transponder and frequency tables
13:11 < CIA-9> * change priority to build after libusb
13:14 < rxr> ,-)
13:16 < CIA-9> mtr * r7182 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-firmware/ (dvb-firmware.conf dvb-firmware.desc): * update dvb-firmware (2004-10-10 -> 2005-02-15)
13:17 < rxr> not that promissing when the to be debugged code tontains:
13:17 < rxr>                 // FIXME on bigendian
13:17 < rxr> ...
13:17 < rxr> and I'm on big endian ...
13:19 < rxr>   //FIXME this is very likely wrong for bigendian (and the following converters too)
13:19 < rxr> ouhm
13:20 < rxr> why the hell do I ever used mplayer for anything ...
13:20 < rxr> I have so nice automatic fully optimizing C++ templates for such stuff and I have to mess with broken ugly #ifdefed C code ...
13:20 < CIA-9> mtr * r7183 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-firmware/dvb-kernel.init: * add sysvinit script for dvb, some modules have to be loaded in proper order
13:20 < mtr> hi rxr
13:21 < rxr> hi mtr ,-)
13:22  * rxr should patent uglyfing code with #ifdef ...
13:22 < mtr> yep, seems that we are moving into the ages of patents :)
13:23  * rxr filling in the automated build of systems ...
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13:46 < mnemoc> moin
13:47 < rxr> mon mnemoc 
13:50 < mnemoc> moin rxr
13:57 < mipe> Scheduling package 'gcc' for rebuild ...
13:57 < mipe> While removing package gcc: build/system-2.1.0-rc1-x86-64-athlon64-desktop-expert/usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.3/include/.: Invalid argument
13:57 < mipe> it only creates include link on stage 0,should it be there on after that too
13:57 < mipe> ?
14:09 < mnemoc> .oO( i didn't understood )o
14:09 < mnemoc> any recomented tool for drawing circuits?
14:12  * rxr busy hacking mpalyer - sorry
14:18 < rxr> thi scode is higly suspicious - I doublt it even works on x86 ...
14:18 < rxr> I guess nobody noticed since everyone does use the MMX assembly ifdeffed ...
14:20 < rxr> weee!
14:20 < rxr> that it was mostly ..
14:20 < rxr> damn crap code ...
14:20 < mnemoc> :)
14:21  * rxr needs to start a C++ tempalte based video codec set some time ...
14:21 < rxr> looking tat this ugly C crap hurty my eyes and nerves ...
14:21 < mnemoc> rxr: * updated bittorrent (3.4.2 -> 0.4.0) <--- uhm?
14:21 < rxr> typo
14:21 < rxr> fixed one verser thereafter
14:22 < rxr> cool
14:22 < mnemoc> cool typo or cool mplayer working?
14:22 < rxr> so now mplayer gui shown in 16bit X modes on PPC ...
14:22 < rxr> took my only how long? 2h to track this one liner ...
14:22 < mnemoc> :)
14:25 < rxr> final compile - diff - commit ...
14:25 < mnemoc> good
14:26 < CIA-9> amery * r7184 /trunk/package/network/iptables/iptables.desc: * updated iptables (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1)
14:27 < rxr> oh - I wanted to fix jack on the way ...
14:28 < rxr> mplayer w/ jack ...
14:28 < rxr> for bigendian , too
14:30 < CIA-9> rene * r7185 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/rgb32to16.patch: 
14:30 < CIA-9> * fixed mplayer rgb32to16 for I think any arch not providing assembly.
14:30 < CIA-9>  Tested on PowerPC - and in 16bit X modes the GUI is now shown ...
14:33 < CIA-9> amery * r7186 /trunk/package/archiver/tnef/tnef.desc: * updated tnef (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
14:33 < rxr> mnemoc: you know how crazzy we are ?
14:34 < mnemoc> uhm? why?
14:34 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
14:34 < mnemoc> :p
14:38 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. susan is updateding gnome today ...
14:38 < mnemoc> :D
14:42 < mnemoc> 2.9.91 or snapshot?
14:42 < rxr> the lastest 2.9 packages as available
14:43 < mnemoc> 2.9.911 from feb 11 afaik
14:43 < mnemoc> 91*
14:44 < rxr> for some pkgs newer version are already available
15:03 < mnemoc> when will she commit? i was doing updates here too
15:03 < mnemoc> or a branch to tesT?
15:10 < rxr> I would say just trunk and we get it to compile ..
15:10 < rxr> mnemoc: have you done much in gnome ?
15:10 < rxr> she just called and the new version seem to be injected soon ...
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15:15 < c4y0> hi
15:35 < mnemoc> rxr: only platform
15:35 < mnemoc> good, push her :p
15:39 < mnemoc> Hi,
15:39 < mnemoc> today we had some heavy troubles with our subversion repositories. They are
15:39 < mnemoc> up and running again now. But I had to recreate them and manually re-apply
15:39 < mnemoc> the last few revisions.
15:39 < mnemoc> So you should re-create you checkouts! Simply running 'svn up' may not work
15:39 < mnemoc> corrently and even silently renders you checkouts unusable...
15:39 < mnemoc> btw: the repositories are now running on the fsfs backend. so they should
15:39 < mnemoc> be faster and more reliable than the old repositories.
15:39 < mnemoc> yours, - clifford
15:39 < mnemoc> are we prepared for something like that?
15:40 < mnemoc> hi c4y0 
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15:46 < Minto> Moin
15:46 < mnemoc> moin Minto 
15:47 < mnemoc> i got used to temperatures over 34° the last monthes, and today with 14° i'm frozen :p
15:47 < valentin> poor mnemoc ....
15:48 < Minto> Here it's the other way around
15:48 < Minto> It's hot outside with 6 degrees celcius.
15:48  * valentin has corrected approx 70 % of the examns
15:48 < mnemoc> exams of?
15:49 < mnemoc> temperature is very relative
15:50 < mnemoc> jsaw would hit me for that afirmation
15:50 < valentin> examns of undergraduate students
15:51 < mnemoc> to get graduated?
15:51 < valentin> kind of
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15:56 < keinek> good morning
15:56 < keinek> hi everbody
15:56 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
15:56 < keinek> My t2 guess system is working without problems
15:56 < mnemoc> :)
15:56 < mnemoc> was it too hard?
15:56 < keinek> and now built target Boot and rescue is compiling in the stage 5
15:57 < keinek> mnemoc, :)
15:57 < keinek> now i can blame my old rock linux :D
15:57 < keinek> questions....
15:58 < keinek> if i want boot, i need evertime compile the boot and rescue right?
15:58 < mnemoc> boot target gives bootability to your CD
15:58 < keinek> ok
15:59 < mnemoc> rxr: have you used 'tea' editor?
15:59 < keinek> is the first time that i trust in this scripts
15:59 < mnemoc> :)
16:00 < mipe> rxr:did the bootdisk target work for you?
16:07 < rxr> re
16:08 < rxr> yep
16:08 < rxr> bootdisk in stage 5-linux26
16:08 < rxr> 162 builds total, 90 completed fine, 0 with errors.
16:13 < mipe> so its just a x86-64 thing
16:13 < rxr> seems so ,-)~
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16:21 < keinek_> Mmmmm my mldonkey is freezy
16:21 < keinek_> too much downloads :P
16:23 < mnemoc> it's busy :)
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16:31 < Minto> rxr: I found an existing userspace bootsplash called usplash
16:31 < Minto> however it is still in alpha 
16:31 < Minto> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
16:32 < mnemoc> try it :)
16:32 < Minto> I will if I can find the sources
16:32 < mnemoc> svn?
16:32 < Minto> maybe I don't know where. there is only a debian package available.
16:32 < Minto> I already contacted the author.
16:33 < Minto> Mnemoc: do you need any help upgrading packages?
16:33 < mnemoc> i need help fixing packages :)
16:34 < Minto> which ones are broken
16:34 -!- keinek_ is now known as keinek
16:34 < mnemoc> do you want the whole list or just the 'broken updates'?
16:35 < mnemoc> not-yet-commited updates
16:35 < Minto> The whole list, so I can pick the easy ones. I am still learning.
16:35 < valentin> 12 items remaining ...
16:36 < keinek> mnemoc, when creating the binary package, said "ln: 'TOOLCHAIN/LOCALTIME' : File Exists"
16:36 < keinek> in the 5 stage
16:36 < mnemoc> o_O
16:37 < mnemoc> how can it exist?
16:37 < keinek> i dont know
16:37 < keinek> but dont said error
16:38 < keinek> so... i still very happy :P
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
16:38 < mnemoc> keinek: echo src.*
16:38 < keinek> what?
16:38 < mnemoc> on your tree root, type echo src.* and paste
16:39 < keinek> ohhh is in the other machine
16:39 < keinek> i will see how do that
16:39 < mnemoc> .oO
16:40 < CIA-9> amery * r7187 /trunk/package/graphic/potrace/potrace.desc: * updated potrace (1.5 -> 1.7)
16:40 < keinek> just one result
16:40 < keinek> i copy by hand waint please
16:40 < mnemoc> :)
16:41 < keinek> src.gcc.1110294707.15593.7f0100
16:41 < keinek> :)
16:41 < keinek> now is compiling gcc
16:41 < mnemoc> that looks unique
16:41 < keinek> now is creating package binary
16:41 < keinek> what?
16:41 < keinek> is good or bad?
16:41 < mnemoc> src.gcc.1110294707.15593.7f0100
16:41 < mnemoc> good
16:42 < keinek> the same mesage
16:42 < keinek> ln: bla bla bla exits
16:42 < mnemoc> but being unique there is no reason to get that error
16:42 < keinek> but the builing continue
16:43 < keinek> Mmmm perhaps i was configure the timezone bad in the guess machine
16:43 < keinek> ¿is that bad?
16:43 < mnemoc> mom
16:44 < keinek> mom ?
16:44 < mnemoc> momment
16:44 < keinek> haaha ok
16:47 < mnemoc> keinek: on scripts/Build-Pkg line 201 add set -x, and set +x on 215
16:48 < mnemoc> and _paste_ :)
16:48 < mnemoc> can you add ssh there to be able to copy&paste?
16:48 < keinek> mnemoc what happen with my actual build?
16:49 < mnemoc> nothing
16:49 < keinek> i will stop that?
16:49 < keinek> i need stop before?
16:50 < mnemoc> just let it continue
16:50 < mnemoc> aa... set -x; pwd   instead of set -x
16:50 < keinek> mnemoc is that a bug?
16:50 < keinek> what is?
16:50 < keinek> tell me
16:50 < keinek> i want learn
16:51 < mnemoc> i want to see what is happening
16:51 < mnemoc> what the script is doing and where
16:51 < keinek> what happen that i dont do that?
16:51 < mnemoc> we will never know
16:51 < mnemoc> and we will never fix it
16:51 < valentin> 2 to go ...
16:52 < mnemoc> :)
16:53 < keinek> ok... i am your rabbit test right?
16:53 < mnemoc> rabbit test?
16:53 < keinek> now i see the local language was never configurate
16:55 < valentin> ok, finished
16:55 < valentin> now counting ....
16:56 < keinek> ok... my new version of mldonkey work well :P
16:56 < mnemoc> what's the distribution 30:40:30 ?
16:56 < keinek> my 50 gb of incomplete download is safe!
16:56 < keinek> :D hahahahahah wuejejeje
16:58 < keinek> incredible! thats happens for use old versions ...
16:58 < keinek> ok, i will back with t2 :P
16:59 < rxr> so
16:59 < rxr> xmms jack plugin fixed too
16:59 < rxr> commit when I'm back - cu
17:00 < mipe> cu rxr
17:05 < valentin> about 170
17:23 < mnemoc> Minto: svn co http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/v2
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17:33 < mipe> 81.113.230.18
17:33 < mipe> ups
17:33 < mipe> copy & paste problem
17:37 < mnemoc> :)
17:38 < Minto> mnemoc: I get a doen't exist on that url.
17:39 < mnemoc> :(
17:39 < mnemoc> Minto: is this http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/splash/?
17:40 < Minto> Dunno, could be. I contacted the author to be sure.
17:41 < mnemoc> :)
17:41 < mnemoc> http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/splash/src/usplash.cc <-- confirmed :p
17:43 < Minto> I hope so. I'll have a look.
17:43 < Minto> Now dinner is ready for me, I'll be back later. bye
17:46 < rxr> re
17:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7188 /trunk/package/network/lat/ (. lat.conf lat.desc): * added lat (0.3.1), LDAP Administration Tool written on Gtk#
17:57 < CIA-9> amery * r7189 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.6.3 -> 2.6.4)
18:01 < CIA-9> rene * r7190 /trunk/package/audio/xmms-jack/S16_LE.patch: * fixed xmms-jack for 16LE output on big endian systems
18:03 < CIA-9> rene * r7191 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/jack.patch: 
18:03 < CIA-9> * fixed mplayer jack audio output for big endian systems (cleanly
18:03 < CIA-9>  by requestiong big endian data from the upper level)
18:06 < valentin> so, finished the crapy work here ...
18:06 < valentin> hehe:  http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/57199
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18:11 < Goshawk> hi to all
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18:11 < sepp> hi
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18:15 < valentin> have to leave now - cu.
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18:18 < jeru> moin
18:24 < rxr> re
18:27 < rxr> Error logs from bootdisk-2.1.0-rc1-x86-bootdisk-expert:
18:27 < rxr> 162 builds total, 162 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:27 < rxr> hi jeru 
18:30 < sepp> there is an typo in alsa-tools.conf missing . after cp
18:31 < rxr> oh
18:31 < sepp> you want to know more lib lib64 problems?
18:31 < sepp> on x86-64
18:32 < CIA-9> rene * r7192 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-tools/alsa-tools.conf: * fixed missing cp target in alsa-tools
18:32 < rxr> ^- like this sepp  ?
18:32 < keinek> vmware is good for compile T2?
18:32 < sepp> yes
18:32 < rxr> to compile T2 in vmware? would be a bti slow ...
18:33 < keinek> yes i know
18:33 < sepp> tex-ttf.conf has mv *.ttf $root/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType
18:33 < rxr> keinek: what lib lib64 problems do you mean ?
18:33 < keinek> but i want have two machines compiling t2
18:34 < keinek> t2 is a drug
18:34 < keinek> :P
18:34 < keinek> rxr i cant understand
18:34 < keinek> now my t2 is in the stage 5 in the other machine
18:35 < keinek> build-target boot and rescue disk
18:37 < rxr> sepp I mean ...
18:37 < sepp> ettercap.conf should append -L/lib64 on x86-64 machines
18:38 < sepp> rxr: problems with */lib instead of */lib64
18:38 < sepp> like in tex-ttf.conf with mv *.ttf $root/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType
18:39 < rxr> sepp you read that the fonts should be in lib ... ?
18:39 < sepp> no
18:39 < sepp> but this failed - let me see the log
18:39 < rxr> in T2 head X.Org does use .../lib/... as font path
18:39 < jeru> ahh ... hi rxr, keinek, sepp ... and all other "idling" around :)
18:39 < rxr> the packages and config must not be modified
18:39 < rxr> hi jeru 
18:39 < jeru> bonsoir :)
18:40 < keinek> hi jeru
18:41 < keinek> t2 isos work well
18:41 < rxr> thanks - good to hear
18:41 < jeru> hi keinek ... was you download succesfull?
18:41 < keinek> yes
18:41 < jeru> ahh ok ... just answered
18:41 < keinek> and now is compiling t2 the rescue and target, is in the stage 5 :)
18:51 < rxr> so - dvbsched working - home athlon dumping digital video onto the disk ,-)
18:55 < Minto> rxr: Uhmm, question
18:55 < Minto> How do I create a package that downloads straight from svn. I created the desc file which results in the following svn command.
18:55 < Minto> svn co -r24 svn://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/splash splash
18:55 < Minto> Trying this command manually does not work. But the following does.
18:56 < Minto> svn co -r24 http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/splash splash
18:56 < rxr> svn+http:// IIRC
18:58 < Minto> Thanks, seems to work now.
18:59 < rxr> ,-)
18:59 < Minto> Download completed, let's try building.
19:11 < mipe> ooh Samsung is presenting 82" TFT-LCD screen on cebit
19:13 < rxr> oh - nice
19:14 < mipe> hmm,have start thinking how i'm going to get that inside house. have to break a wall atleast
19:16 < mipe> btw. thats a biggest TFT screen ever build
19:16 < mipe> well presented at least
19:17 < rxr> should "grab" one
19:17 < mipe> you are going at cebit? would you send one for me
19:17 < Minto> Before you tear down your house, first concider how to pay for it.
19:17 < mipe> :)
19:18 < Minto> Maybe rxr can sneak one out in his backpocket.
19:18 < rxr> behind you - a three headed monkey ...
19:18 < mipe> :)
19:19 < Minto> hikkup, I see four heads, hikkup ;-)
19:19 < jeru> rxr: so you're an old monkey island fan ;)
19:20 < rxr> hehe *g*
19:20 < jeru> I loved this game :)
19:21 < keinek> i am monkey island fan too
19:21 < keinek> :P
19:21 < keinek> hey i monkey with tree heads!
19:22 < mipe> oo monkey instalnd,brings back the memories... should try to play that game again
19:22 < mipe> island
19:24 < keinek> the best was monkey island 2
19:24 < mipe> hmm,why does it want crt1.o et al in /usr/x86*/lib
19:25 < keinek> i was buy a hard disk special for play that game
19:25 < keinek> :)
19:26 < jeru> :D
19:27 < keinek> now is posible play that games in the dreamcast or in one live cd
19:28 < CIA-9> rene * r7194 /trunk/package/security/dropbear/dropbear.desc: * updated dropbear (0.44 -> 0.45)
19:28 < CIA-9> rene * r7193 /trunk/package/develop/gnupth/gnupth.desc: * updated gnupth (2.0.3 -> 2.0.4)
19:33 < jeru> rxr: do you using dropbear already in some "production" enviroment?
19:33 < CIA-9> rene * r7195 /trunk/package/graphic/ploticus/official-fixes.patch: * added official patch level 2 patches to ploticus ... :-(
19:33 < rxr> I used it for tests - worked well - even multiple -L forwardings at once ..
19:33 < rxr> however I have not yet tested the server part ...
19:33 < rxr> only the client so far ...
19:34 < jeru> I've tested the server part unsing mint and ipsvd and it's quite stable :)
19:34 < jeru> using
19:34 < rxr> cool
19:34 < jeru> I like small software ;)
19:34 < rxr> the latest version fixed some server part connection bugs with ssh.com and some other client AFAIR
19:35 < rxr> I'm also quite happy that I foudn that perl ,-)
19:36 < keinek> guau... from stage 5 goto 7
19:36 < jeru> you don't know it before you commit it to tunk?
19:36 < keinek> ¿is ok?
19:36 < jeru> trunk ... (what the h*ll I'm typing here)
19:38 < _Ragnar_> rxr: when I tried to build t2 for 64bit athlon yesterday, gcc failed due to a segfault in sh
19:38 < _Ragnar_> any idea why?
19:38 < _Ragnar_> :D
19:40 < jeru> ragnar: I don't know :D
19:40 < rxr> shuld not ...
19:41 < _Ragnar_> looks more like a kernel panic then a normal segfault, too
19:41 < _Ragnar_> but it doesn't crash anything
19:41 < _Ragnar_> aside from the sh-process .... leaves no core either
19:43 < rxr> you get a kernel oops for each of those sh invocations ?
19:48 < _Ragnar_> only for some ... some other packages built fine
19:49 < _Ragnar_> but gcc seems to trigger it reliably
19:55 < keinek> ok boot is ready
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19:55 < keinek> now i will compile generic minimalistic template :)
19:58 < jeru> keinek: happy building ... :D
19:59 < _Ragnar_> rxr: any idea how I should go from here?
20:00 < rxr> hm - not really
20:00 < rxr> what base system is it ?
20:01 < _Ragnar_> I basically used a gentoo install, mine -i -R /build *.gem from a cross-build, chroot /build ...
20:02 < _Ragnar_> the kernel is from an older t2 build tho
20:03 < _Ragnar_> 2.6.10-sth
20:03 < rxr> hm
20:03 < rxr> mipe did not complain about such a problem ..
20:03 < _Ragnar_> how did he install?
20:03 < rxr> maybe at some point soon you should share a base ISO to have a stable base ...
20:03 < rxr> do not remeber anymore ..
20:03 < rxr> I think gentoo once ...
20:04 < rxr> and he is running it natively already AFAIR
20:04 < _Ragnar_> yea
20:05 < mnemoc> re
20:05 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
20:06 < mnemoc> hi rxr, _Ragnar_ 
20:06 < jeru> ahh ... hola mnemoc
20:06 < _Ragnar_> hi mnemoc 
20:07 < mnemoc> hola jeru, ¿como va la malaria?
20:07 < jeru> it's much better ... but have to take some hard "stuff"
20:08 < mnemoc> don't blame malaria for the hard stuff to take :)
20:08 < jeru> _d
20:08 < jeru> :D
20:09 < mnemoc> :)
20:09 < jeru> mnemoc: I can give you a piece of it ;)
20:09 < mnemoc> i found the bug on #Forced: of mnemosyne
20:09 < jeru> ahhh .. cool :)
20:09 < mnemoc> send it :)
20:10 < keinek> mnemoc if all go well, i think that i remplace all my O.S. for T2 :P
20:10 < jeru> it already creeps through your line :D
20:11 < mnemoc> keinek: finally
20:11 < mnemoc> jeru: thanks :)
20:11 < jeru> you're welcome :)
20:15 < jeru> mnemoc: malaria is already singing song from Method Man: "... slowly I turn, step by step, to the backwindow I crept ..."
20:15 < jeru> creeped
20:16 < mnemoc> :)
20:19 < jeru> mnemoc: what was the problem with #Forced ?
20:19 < mnemoc> the rules are added to config files instead of rules file
20:20 < mnemoc> so they are forced _after_ the dialog is generated
20:22 < jeru> ahh ok ... do you commit the changes ?
20:22 < mnemoc> yes, when i finish them
20:22 < jeru> ok :)
20:24 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < keinek> hey guys
20:26 < keinek> cracklib,2.7
20:27 < keinek> "," is a bug??
20:27 < keinek> the system cant download that
20:27 < keinek> where can fix that?
20:28 < mnemoc> what error do you get?
20:28 < keinek> ok ok ok
20:42 < rxr> mnemoc: susan finished the gnome update editing - too bad some .svn files re messed up - so we'll commit tomorrow evening or the first cebit day in the morning ...
20:42 < mnemoc> first cebit day??
20:42 < mnemoc> when is cebit?
20:42 < rxr> Th
20:43 < mnemoc> Th?
20:43 < rxr> 10-16
20:44 < mnemoc> outch
20:44 < rxr> th==  Thursday
20:44 < rxr> why ouch ?
20:44 < rxr> +t even
20:44 < mnemoc> too close
20:47 < rxr> for what ?
20:47 < mnemoc> for cebit
20:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7196 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.in: * fixed mnemosyne 'forced rules'
20:51 < mnemoc> rxr: can you send me a simple diff and i do the merge please?
21:16 < jeru> mnemoc: hot for the gnome :D
21:45 < rxr> re
21:45 < rxr> mnemoc: nope it is on susans iBook I have no access to ...
21:45 < rxr> mnemoc: what have you done ?
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22:02 < mnemoc> rxr: platform updated, but not yet tested
22:08 < rxr> re
22:08 < rxr> well - just await the commit and merge ... ?
22:08 < rxr> or commit and we commit the rest tomorrow ...
22:08 < rxr> what do you think ?
22:10 < mnemoc> in that case i prefer to wait :)
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22:21 < jsaw> hi all
22:21 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
22:22 < mnemoc> bye all :p
22:22 < mnemoc> back in some hours
22:22 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
22:22 < jeru> hi jsaw ...
22:22 < jsaw> cu mnemoc 
22:22 < jeru> bye mnemoc
22:22 < jsaw> hi jeru 
22:22 < jeru> jsaw: how are the small ones
22:23 < jsaw> :)
22:23 < jsaw> getting more stressing...
22:23 < jsaw> well, actually I should say: more demanding...
22:23 < jeru> no grandma for babysitting right now? ;)
22:24 < jsaw> not anymore.
22:24 < jsaw> they live 100km south of us. One grandma (Steffi
22:24 < jsaw> 's mother)
22:25 < jsaw> is working half-time
22:25 < jeru> ah ok ... that's bad for papa ;)
22:25 < jsaw> and mine is quite busy (pensioners, you know... :) )
22:25 < jeru> :D
22:26 < jsaw> well, I can't complain really, not yet at least ;|
22:29 < rxr> hi jsaw !
22:29 < jsaw> hi rxr :)
22:30 < jsaw> damn, my lab PC doesn't power up anymore...
22:30 < jsaw> which is strange as I only switched it on and about 10 times since I have it ... maybe 2-3years?
22:30 < jsaw> on and off...
22:31 < jeru> jsaw: so rewirering wasn't so succesfull :/
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22:32 < jsaw> I had this problem the last time to, but somehow it magically started again... I was only hoping that I don't have to switch it off ever again and forgot the supply problems... *g*
22:33 < jsaw> coffee, bias++
22:39 < jsaw> re
22:50 < CIA-9> chris * r7197 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.init: * fixed SysV init script template
22:53 < CIA-9> rene * r7198 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/mplayer.conf: * fixed mplayer to enable jack support if bio2jack is installed
22:59 < rxr> any objection to tag the current state as -beta4  soon ?
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23:02 < jeru> rxr: do I have something special to consider if I want to write SysV init templates ... try to add init scripts for prelude* packages but unfortunatelyit  doesn't work
23:03 < rxr> you need to call install_init in the .conf
23:03 < jeru> yeah ... I did
23:03 < rxr> you mean the file does not get installed ?
23:03 < rxr> == 22:43:49 =[9]=> Building multimedia/mplayer [1.0pre6a 2.1.0-rc1].
23:04 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 99.53% (629 hits, 3 misses)
23:04 < rxr> == 03/08/05 23:02:07 =[9]=> Finished building package mplayer.
23:04 < rxr> :-((
23:04 < jeru> no the build aborts
23:04 < rxr> ouhm
23:04 < jeru> expr: non-numeric argument
23:04 < jeru> No 9-prelude-manager.log file.
23:04 < rxr> hm
23:05 < rxr> when does it abort? expanding the .init ?
23:06 < jeru> var_remove_regex ()
23:07 < rxr> hm - does not look init dependant
23:07 < jeru> ok will try without my changes ... 
23:10 < jeru> hmm ... without: postmake="install_init prelude-manager $confdir/prelude_manager.init" package builds fine
23:11 < rxr> try to aboid assigning hook variables - that is very oldstyle ...
23:11 < rxr> hook_add postmake 5 ""
23:11 < rxr> but that is not the bug
23:12 < rxr> what was your exact syntax with the linebreak ?
23:12 < jeru> nope
23:12 < rxr> none ?
23:12 < rxr> hm - looks ok ...
23:12 < jeru> yep
23:14 < jeru> hmmm ... so I shouldn't use hook variables anymore?
23:15 < jsaw> definitely not
23:15 < jsaw> the hook ordering number is missing
23:16 < rxr> with the old hook variable no no. was needed ...
23:16 < rxr> it was just [ "$hook" ] && eval $hook
23:16 < rxr> today the old var is still used - but injected as 5 hook IIRC correct:
23:16 < rxr> hook_add the-hook 5 "eval $the-hook-var"
23:16 < rxr> cor compat ..
23:16 < rxr> so no number needed - but obsolete
23:17 < jeru> ok
23:17 < jsaw> jeru: does it work with hook_add ?
23:18 < jeru> will try hook_add postmake 
23:29 < jeru> ./scripts/functions: line 72: prelude-manager /usr/src/t2/trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude_manager.init 13: division by 0 (error tokenis "/src/t2/trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude_manager.init 13")
23:31 < mnemoc> rehi :)
23:31 < mnemoc> o_O
23:34 < rxr> hm - maybe it is at exapnding the .init ...
23:34 < rxr> is it already commited so we can take a look ?
23:34 < mnemoc> that's for sure :)
23:34 < jeru> nope ... will commit
23:34 < mnemoc> i vote for a missing priority
23:35 < rxr> comments to this :
23:35 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/t2-overview.png
23:35 < rxr> sure duplicate text and color tuning ..
23:35 < rxr> just the idea ...
23:36 < rxr> wee need some graphics for the paper urgently ...
23:36 < mnemoc> target definition twice
23:36 < rxr> as I wrote duplicate text - to be filled with useful stuff ..
23:36 < mnemoc> i like it
23:37 < rxr> pckages twice too ..
23:37 < rxr> is the glue too girly - better some grey ?
23:37 < jeru> rxr: please ;)
23:38 < jeru> looks good 
23:38 < mnemoc> jeru: you will have valenti'ns logo then
23:38 < jeru> hmmm ?
23:38 < jeru> which logo?
23:39 < mnemoc> .oO( i don't find the url )o
23:40 < rxr> relaed
23:40 < rxr> relaod even
23:41 < mnemoc> :D
23:41 < rxr> no gray but green
23:41 < jeru> :D
23:41 < rxr> good or gray ?
23:41 < rxr> updated texts ...
23:41 < mnemoc> good
23:41 < jeru> uhmmm ... 
23:41 < jeru> ?
23:42 < jeru> I have to recalibrate my TFT :)
23:42 < mnemoc> icc?
23:42 < rxr> jeru:  ?
23:42 < mnemoc> does that work?
23:42 < rxr> green or gray should that have read ...
23:42 < jeru> just a joke 
23:42 < mnemoc> rxr: he hate 'our' colors
23:42 < rxr> mnemoc: you like the green and jeru you don't like it ?
23:43 < mnemoc> i like it and jeru is having fun with you
23:43 < jeru> I like the green boxes but the arrows
23:43 < rxr> the arrows are normal blue ...
23:43 < jeru> nope I'm very serious 
23:43 < mnemoc> yes, the arrow 'style' don't fit
23:43 < jeru> yeah ... but one have not to mix green and blue
23:44 < rxr> hm - have my color harmony workbook in berlin ...
23:44 < mnemoc> do you have a color harmony workbook?
23:44 < jeru> and perhaps ... the arrows should look a little more "technical"
23:44 < jeru> mnemoc: nope ... just two eyes ;)
23:44 < rxr> well - I do not want electric schematic drawing lines in it ..
23:44 < rxr> it should look attractive ...
23:45 < rxr> mnemoc: yes
23:45 < rxr> it is quite cool to get inspirations for color themes ...
23:45 < mnemoc> rxr: can you pdf it? :)
23:45 < rxr> lol
23:45 < jeru> rxr: go ahead and ask us for our opinion ;)
23:45 < rxr> well - if Avision hands be a IT8 sheet for scanner calibration at the CeBIT
23:46 < rxr> jeru: are the arrows that bad?
23:46 < rxr> more color or more style changes ?
23:46 < jeru> hmm ... at least the color
23:46 < rxr> I think I ahve this one:
23:46 < rxr> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1564968375/002-5075800-0915221
23:47 < jeru> this is one more than I have :)
23:47 < rxr> jeru: what color would you like?
23:47 < jeru> wait a minute ... have to cook some tea ...
23:51 < rxr> reload
23:52 < rxr> now eve
23:54 < jeru> ok ...
23:55 < mnemoc> rxr: is 'icc support' publicitable?
23:55 < rxr> no - but I needed text there *g*
23:55 < rxr> who cares ... ,-)
23:55 < jeru> but why you eliminated the "Targets Box"?
23:55 < jeru> :D
23:55 < rxr> ah - good point ,-)
23:56 < mnemoc> what are you using? inkscape?
23:57 < rxr> hm - maybe target does not fit in that well - a target can control and incluece that all
23:57 < rxr> so better keep it this way?
23:57 < rxr> mnemoc: of course
23:57 < jeru> and we shouldn't just display an PDA to show how flexible and scalable T2 is
23:57 < jeru> ;)
23:57 < rxr> it is just a tiny 5cm x 5cm picture for the text ...
23:57 < rxr> not the big poster ...
23:57 < jeru> ah ok
23:58 < rxr> I just draw a pseudo graph about T2 scaling ...
23:58 < mnemoc> anything 'linux' to show inside that PDA?
23:58 < rxr> AFAICS this is Qtopia or so ...
23:59 < mnemoc> good
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