--- Log opened Wed Mar 02 00:00:30 2005
00:01 < rxr> hehe mnemoc with @rock address - *lol*
00:02 < mnemoc> i wont reject it if cliff decides to give me one :)
00:05 < rxr> you loose it 10 days later when you send a mail that you will no longer inject stuff into submaster *g*
00:05 < daja77> then i wouldn't have one anymore
00:05 < mnemoc> that was jsaw :)
00:07 < mnemoc> i have an script to send patches to submaster from a normal svn dir
00:12 < jsaw> oh really?
00:12 < mnemoc> it takes a .diff and submits it :)
00:13 < mnemoc> quite clean and simple
00:14 < jsaw> I meant, did I really got deleted...?
00:14 < rxr> jsaw: I meant myself ...
00:14 < jsaw> ah, yes, I remember...
00:15 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org:8080/
00:15 < rxr> testing
00:15 < rxr> tunnels over a home DSL thru w-lan and so on - to my iBook on the desk ...
00:16 < mnemoc> did you saw last valentin's logo?
00:16 < rxr> yes
00:16 < mnemoc> and?
00:16 < rxr> but I think the final logo will be totally different ...
00:16 < rxr> it was just the first playing - and we need some more different designs in my opinion
00:16 < mnemoc> .oO( pascal posting )o
00:17 < rxr> I was just showing my brother the CMS ...
00:17 < rxr> in fact it was me ...
00:17 < mnemoc> oh
00:19 < jsaw> looks good
00:20 < rxr> top links fixed
00:20 < rxr> btw the fonts are too small, right ?
00:20 < jsaw> not here
00:20 < rxr> also not the content in the middle ?
00:21 < jsaw> no
00:21 < rxr> hm
00:21 < rxr> must be my high res dual heat setup
00:22 < jsaw> maybe at my workstation in the lab...
00:23 < rxr> the font sizes are encoed in px in that theme ...
00:23 < jsaw> oh
00:23 < rxr> I think I just replace all of them - and also remove the alternative style sheets 2, 3 and 4 ...
00:23 < jsaw> not that a good idea...px...
00:24 < rxr> nope ..
00:24 < rxr> sheet 3 looks nice
00:24 < rxr> just the orange-yellow is not nice ...
00:24 < jsaw> show us
00:24 < rxr> you can select in your browser
00:24 < rxr> konqueror: View -> Use Stylesheet ...
00:25 < rxr> or simillar in others ...
00:25 < rxr> (if it is not IE which does not support  alternative styles IIRC ...
00:27 < jsaw> I like one most
00:32 < rxr> I add the nice theme 3 orange as temporary filler ;.)
00:52 < rxr> now the font is normally readable over here ...
00:52 < rxr> any complaints ?
01:02 < rxr> some more styling done
01:14 < mnemoc> re
01:15 < mnemoc> rxr: will you preserve that database or content will be flushed?
01:18 < rxr> I might preserve it
01:18 < rxr> why do you ask ?
01:18 < rxr> if it is worth to insert backdors as long as it is not yet secured properly ?
01:21 < mnemoc> no ^^  just thinking in trying real content
01:22 < rxr> you want to add some ?
01:22 < rxr> go for it!
01:23 < mnemoc> create account does nothin :\
01:24 < rxr> is my w-lan'ed world routed iBook fast enough to work with for you ?
01:24 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org:8080/node/user/user/user/register <--- hehehe
01:24 < mnemoc> feels good
01:26 < rxr> I just tried registering you
01:26 < rxr> did you got a mail =
01:26 < rxr> ? even
01:26 < mnemoc> yeah
01:26 < rxr> did not work for you ?
01:27 < mnemoc> now it points to user/register
01:28 < mnemoc> but it use to point to node/user/register
01:28 < rxr> hm
01:28 < mnemoc> Your new T2 membership also enables to you to login to other Drupal powered websites (e.g. http://www.drop.org/) without registering. <--- uhm?
01:28 < rxr> hm - no idea ...
01:29 < rxr> I remove the text
01:29 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org:8080/user/user/4/edit <--- the loop again
01:29 < rxr> maybe this is because I have not yet entered a site name
01:29 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org:8080/user/user/4/user/4 :p
01:29 < rxr> since I want to run it on localhost:/ to avoid sending over half of the world thru ssh tunnels ...
01:30 < rxr> hm - does not happen here ...
01:30 < rxr> you use some mozilla, right ?
01:31 < rxr> yes - mozilla does this
01:31 < rxr> konqueror not ...
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01:32 < mnemoc> firefox :)
01:35 < rxr> so drupal ID removed ...
01:35 < mnemoc> <a href="user/4" class="active"> <--- bad URI
01:36 < rxr> I can imagine
01:36 < mnemoc> i don't understand why works on konqueror
01:36 < rxr> the problem is, I can not set the base url to / ...
01:36  * rxr neither
01:36 < rxr> drupal does not like / as base ...
01:36 < mnemoc> :\
01:36 < mnemoc> cms/ and a redirect?
01:37 < rxr> I try
01:37 < mnemoc> /join  #drupal-support
01:37 < rxr> did you ?
01:38 < mnemoc> not yet :)
01:39 < mnemoc> question done
01:41 < mnemoc> rxr: please join
01:42 < mnemoc> <grohk> huh?
01:42 < mnemoc> flood him :)
01:42 < mnemoc> i have never installed drupal so i can't follow a conversation for more than a minute :p
01:45 < rxr> http://localhost/drupal/
01:45 < rxr> it does work work, right =
01:47 < mnemoc> rxr: http://drupal.org/node/6554 <--- this looks nicer
01:50 < mnemoc> .oO( what is that orage doing there? )o
01:50 < rxr> test logo ...
01:50 < daja77> sounds like a medicine
01:50 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org:8080/drupal/node/add <-- no css rendering
01:52 < rxr> I try this base url thing ...
01:52 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org:8080/drupal/node/node/add/project_project <--- snif snif
01:52 < mnemoc> and ofcourse no css
01:52 < mnemoc> i guess due to the same loop
01:55 < rxr> relocated
01:56 < rxr> tolerant base url
01:57 < rxr> does it work now ?
01:59 < mnemoc> good :)
02:01 < mnemoc> emerge gtkmm is eating my laptop
02:14 < rxr> can you try drupal out a bit
02:14 < rxr> I can not stick to it's work flow
02:15 < rxr> sorry - I tried hard - but I'm very disapointed about it's user and admin friendly ness ..
02:18 < mnemoc> :|
02:19 < rxr> I find it rather poorly domument
02:19 < rxr> all is trial and error
02:19 < rxr> and this ui just does not work as expected ..
02:19 < rxr> please mess in it a bit and tell me if you want to use it ...
02:19 < rxr> I think I have to try some others out tomo9rrow ...
02:21 < _Ragnar_> hmmm okay it was an error with the t2 linux24 packages that resulted in no module being able to load due to missing memcpy .... the modules from a built-by-hand kernel work
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02:23 < ideal> morning
02:23 < mnemoc> rxr: i like tikipro a lot, but drupal is much more mature
02:23 < rxr> .oO(mature?)
02:23 < mnemoc> i consider a _bug_ to use html on a CMS
02:24 < mnemoc> compared to tikipro it is
02:24 < mnemoc> another try can be 'trac', but it is python
02:24 < rxr> ok - disqualified ...
02:24 < rxr> ez publish ..
02:24 < rxr> or typo3 ...
02:25 < mnemoc> i don't like typo3
02:25 < rxr> why ?
02:25 < rxr> I found it quite usable ...
02:25 < rxr> at least it worked - especially as expected ...
02:27 < mnemoc> typo3 doesn't fit my needs
02:27 < mnemoc> it's too limited 
02:28 < rxr> what are your needs? 
02:28 < rxr> for t2 or globally ?
02:28 < mnemoc> t2 too
02:29 < rxr> why ? what is wrong with typo3 ?
02:29 < mnemoc> i consider wiki-style sites are a must for this kind of projects
02:30 < mnemoc> easy categorization and extendability
02:30 < mnemoc> simple content 'language'  ... html forbiden
02:30 < rxr> typo3 is extentable
02:30 < rxr> what categorization ?
02:30 < rxr> and drupal also needs html injections for styling
02:30 < rxr> and even allows php injection ...
02:30 < rxr> also I disabled that for normal users ...
02:31 < rxr> altough
02:31 < mnemoc> i mean grouping and 'linking' pages as a graph
02:32 < mnemoc> not just content
02:32 < rxr> typo3 does has a graph of the content ...
02:32 < rxr> and the graph and grouping of drupal just sucks majorly  for me
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02:32 < c4y0> hi =)
02:32 < mnemoc> hi c4y0 
02:32 < rxr> exactly this navigation graphiing thing is what made my day with this beast
02:33 < rxr> the content graph of typo3 just works for me ...
02:33 < mnemoc> i like TP, i just sugested drupal because it's the most popular CMS
02:33 < rxr> where drupal just annoyed me from one problem into the next the whole day
02:33 < rxr> most popular ?
02:33 < mnemoc> yes, it's the most used CMS
02:33 < rxr> until yesterday I never heared of it ...
02:34 < c4y0> what do yuo think about mambo?
02:34 < mnemoc> stinks
02:34 < mnemoc> i have tried that crap
02:34 < rxr> mnemoc: more or less than drupal ....
02:34 < mnemoc> much more
02:34 < rxr> .oO(/me can say that about drupal)
02:35 < mnemoc> no, drupal doesn't suck, it's documentation sucks. and you need to get 'used to it'
02:36 < mnemoc> it's not as intuitive as we would like, but it's powerfull stable and flexible
02:37 < mnemoc> if you want, use typo3
02:37 < mnemoc> maybe adding the proper extensions it gets complete enough
02:40 < mnemoc> i guess i can get used to typo3
02:45 < mnemoc> aaarg... third time gtkmm build crashes here :(
02:46 < mnemoc> i should have choosed a laptop with 512 or ram :'(
02:55 < daja77> hm gtkmm
03:28 < mnemoc> it builds perfect on my build machine, but my laptop was not able to build it :(
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04:38 < Postal> Hey all
04:39 < Postal> I have returned lol
04:39 < _Ragnar_> wb:)
04:40 < Postal> rxr, you around?
05:15 < Postal> do we have gcc 4.0 in the repository yet?
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06:28 < Postal> what is that package protector-3.4.1-1.tar.bz that is built at the same time as glibc?
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07:54 < mipe> i guess my gcc errors are from parallel builds, might there be problems with current automake version? in debian i get it fully built but under my t2 build it throws and error from time to time but works after rebuilding it 
07:57 < mipe> hmm,theres new version released from automake,gotta try that
09:02 < rxr_> moin
09:02 < rxr_> hm- maybe some makefile bug ...
09:02 < rxr_> never got a gcc buld error ...
09:03 < rxr_> Postal: no gcc 4.0 yes, since it is far from beeing production ready ...
09:04 < rxr_> Postal: the spp is a stack smashing protector - which instruments binaries to be harder exploitable to buffer underruns and simillar prgramming mistakes
09:04 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:06 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry my DSL stopped working last night
09:53 < mipe> damm gotta go to school on holiday :(
09:54 < mipe> do some **** atmel programming
10:10 < rxr> have fun
10:41 < CIA-9> rene * r6943 /trunk/package/kde/ (21 files in 21 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:41 < CIA-9> * updated kdegames (3.3.92 -> 3.4.0-rc1)
10:41 < CIA-9> * updated kdebindings (3.3.92 -> 3.4.0-rc1)
10:41 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-es (3.3.92 -> 3.4.0-rc1)
10:41 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-it (3.3.92 -> 3.4.0-rc1)
10:41 < CIA-9> * updated kdeaddons (3.3.92 -> 3.4.0-rc1)
10:41 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-de (3.3.92 -> 3.4.0-rc1)
10:49 < jsaw> re
10:49 < jsaw> hi rxr
10:49 < rxr> hi jsaw !
10:50 < CIA-9> rene * r6944 /trunk/package/kde/ (arts/arts.desc kdebase/kdebase.desc kdelibs/kdelibs.desc): 
10:50 < CIA-9> * updated arts (1.3.92 -> 1.4.0-rc1)
10:50 < CIA-9> * inserted kdelibs and kdebase checksum
10:52 < rxr> jsaw: all well with your childs and wife?
10:54 < CIA-9> rene * r6945 /trunk/scripts/config.in: 
10:54 < CIA-9> * reverted the optimization setting to recommend and default to speed,
10:54 < CIA-9>  marked size as (sometimes faster) and moved the smart optimizatons
10:54 < CIA-9>  to the end of the list
11:02 < jsaw> rxr: thanks, yes. Currently the scheduled water pipe cleaning during the day is the only annoyance... 
11:02 < daja77> hm water pipe, that reminds me
11:02 < jsaw> well, I'm a bit tired, of course, but that's negligible
11:02 < jsaw> hi daja77 
11:03 < jsaw> daja77: what does it remind you?
11:03 < daja77> hi jsaw 
11:03 < daja77> 13:00-15:00 no water here
11:03 < jsaw> oh, you too?
11:03 < daja77> yes
11:03 < jsaw> I thought you have to pass a water pipe... :)
11:04 < daja77> yeah
11:04  * daja77 should get one
11:05 < jsaw> still space under your wheeler to carry a h2o tank?
11:05 < jsaw> or better, change to h2 and o2 tank, and create electricity+water ...
11:07 < daja77> hm i'll just have the coffe before that ;)
11:08 < jsaw> okay, okay,... .oO(why simple if you can do it way more complicated :D )
11:10 < daja77> ^^
11:31 < rxr> re
11:52 < rxr> just crap
11:52 < rxr> damn xemancs
11:52  * rxr needs a new editor
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12:17 < rxr> http://www.linux-related.de/index.html?/coding/o-notation.htm
12:24 < rxr> http://www.bg-stjohann.asn-ibk.ac.at/faecher/informatik/fischer/node26.html
12:29 < jsaw> ?
12:29 < valentin> big-O ?
12:30 < jsaw> <- wonders that one has to warn about O()
12:32 < valentin> google bombing ...
12:35 < CIA-9> rene * r6946 /trunk/package/base/linux24/ (linux24.desc lx_config.sh): 
12:35 < CIA-9> * improved lx_config.sh to determin the patches automatically and strippped dead
12:35 < CIA-9>  code
12:36 < CIA-9> rene * r6947 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (6 files): 
12:36 < CIA-9> * updated linux (2.6.11-rc5) and removed non vitial non applying patches
12:36 < CIA-9>  (including Cliffords suidir patch - we do not patch random features)
12:36 < CIA-9> rene * r6948 /trunk/package/base/linux24/ (80-ext23fs-suiddir.patch 81-reiserfs-suiddir.patch): * removed suid stuff from linux24 likewise
12:37 < CIA-9> rene * r6949 /trunk/package/powerpc/linux24benh/80-ext23fs-suiddir.patch: * oops - linux24benh only included the ext23fs suiddir patch - removed likewise
13:11 < CIA-9> rene * r6950 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11-rc5 -> 2.6.11)
13:28 < mnemoc> moin
13:28 < mnemoc> rxr: did you merged the 2.6.11 stuff from bleeding?
13:45 < rxr> no
13:45 < mnemoc> :|
13:45 < rxr> no time to track that ...
13:46 < mnemoc> uhm
13:46 < rxr> what is in it beside linux .11 and linux-header ?
13:46 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
13:46 < mnemoc> bison-2.0
13:46 < mnemoc> moin rxr :)
13:51 < rxr> does bison 2.0 go well ?
13:51 < rxr> that is pull it ?
14:00 < rxr> mnemoc: it is ok that I removed the suid patch *noise*
14:00 < rxr> noone is using them, right ?
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14:23 < mnemoc> rxr: bison-2.0 worked at least for building a minimal, but i don't have space for a bigger build
14:23 < mnemoc> rxr: afaik i don't have any suid dir
14:49 < mnemoc> rxr: where kdecoration.h comes from? kdeartwork is missing it
14:50 < mnemoc> 1450 builds total, 860 completed fine, 22 with errors. 
14:54 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/kdebase:kdebase: opt/kde32/include/kdecoration.h
14:54 < rxr> but that is an old build ...
14:54 < rxr> as you can see ... ;-)
14:54 < rxr> I'm currently rebuilding kde on my iBook to 3.4-rc1 ...
14:55 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0503/36635.html
15:04 < rxr> this fucking xemacs
15:04 < rxr> now I have to rewrite my whole text *arg*
15:04 < rxr> sh*t f*ck* crashing beast ...
15:05 < rxr> ah - da war noch ein autosave file ...
15:05 < rxr> beast anyway
15:08 < CIA-9> amery * r6951 /trunk/package/network/iproute2/rocknet_iproute2.sh: 
15:08 < CIA-9> Bernd Petrovitsch:
15:08 < CIA-9>  * added support for changing the hw address of an interface to iproute2's rocknet module
15:10 < mnemoc> rxr: mv `type -p xemacs`{,-fat-crap}
15:13 < CIA-9> amery * r6952 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * changed openldap uid/gid from 55 (meaningless) to 489 (the port used)
15:17 < mnemoc> rxr: your titles every day look more comercial :)
15:18 < rxr> titles ?
15:19 < mnemoc> http://www.golem.de/0503/36635.html <--- the title of the articule
15:20 < mnemoc> i guess i'll have to reschedule all kde packages :\
15:21 < rxr> (the title was not choosen by me ...)
15:22 < mnemoc> :)
15:24 < mnemoc> mdk bought conectiva??
15:25 < rxr> yep
15:25 < rxr> a week ago or so already ...
15:26 < mnemoc> :(
15:26 < rxr> why :_(
15:27 < mnemoc> that was the only south american distribution
15:28 < rxr> there is T2 ;-)
15:28 < rxr> IBM 750FX and 750GX Eval Boards
15:28 < mnemoc> :)
15:28 < rxr> ^- /me wanna have one ...
15:30 < mnemoc> :)
15:49 < valentin> bill gates became a knight
15:50 < mnemoc> o_O
16:02 < rxr> the quene should delegate him into some well bombed war area *g*
16:02 < rxr> s/delegate/order/
16:03 < mnemoc> *g*
16:03 < rxr> queen or so even
16:03 < mnemoc> yes
16:09 < rxr> so - linux-2.6.11 news going out
16:10 < mnemoc> can you take a time to get 2.6.11 headers out?
16:10 < rxr> well, ...
16:10 < mnemoc> kde-3.4.0-rc1 updates is eating all my bandwidth
16:10 < rxr> I have to, I guess ?
16:11 < mnemoc> we have to
16:11 < mnemoc> we can't release 2.1 with 2.6.8
16:11 < mnemoc> 2.6 has changed a lot since that
16:12  * mnemoc hates linus
16:13 < mnemoc> stable branch my a..
16:16  * mnemoc will try to build ooo (1.9-m82) without the ximian layer 
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16:29 < c4y0> hi
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16:30 < mnemoc> hi c4y0 
16:30 < mtr> moin moin
16:30 < mnemoc> moin mtr 
16:31 < mtr> hi mnemoc 
16:46 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0503/36642.html
16:47 < daja77> rxr: do you have by any chance a phone number of madtux?
16:48 < mnemoc> didn't he answered your mail???
16:49 < daja77> no
16:49 < mnemoc> i'll see if i have his number on the inbound list of my cell phone
16:56 < mnemoc> errr... they removed the phone numbers from the list :\
16:58 < daja77> they?
17:00 < mnemoc> bellsouth
17:00 < mnemoc> only 'band' is showed now
17:00 < mnemoc> on-net, off-net and international :|
17:05 < CIA-9> rene * r6953 /trunk/package/base/linux26/arch-ppc-raid6-altivec.patch: * fixed linux26 raid6 PowerPC/Altivec code to compile
17:06 < jsaw_> re
17:07 < jsaw_> do see a possibility to add functionality so uid/gid can be set via a config file?
17:08 < mnemoc> tail :p
17:08 < jsaw_> Our master machines use normal user and group uid resp. gid's from 50 upward... so I always have to change the file...
17:08 < jsaw_> mnemoc: tail?
17:08 < jsaw_> oh, yes
17:09 < jsaw_> but not a uid/gid config with a single file, or?
17:09 < mnemoc> think in qmail
17:10 < jsaw_> ?
17:11 < mnemoc> qmail has lot of uid/gid
17:12 < jsaw_> where's the tail file?
17:12 < mnemoc> no tail file yet
17:12 < jsaw_> but you have one?
17:12 < mnemoc> nop
17:12 < mnemoc> i'm just thinking in a generic way to implement something
17:13 < jsaw_> maybe some kind of include statement for tail?
17:13 < jsaw_> or --{pre,post}-include option for the parser?
17:13 < mnemoc> first think how to automatize the process, then think in how to write a config file according
17:14 < jsaw_> I would only want one file where I can set uid/gid servicewise
17:14 < rxr> re
17:14 < jsaw_> somewhere under my config/$config/ path
17:14 < jsaw_> hi rxr
17:16 < mnemoc> [UID] on .desc ?
17:16 < mnemoc> [UID] uid:gid blah blah
17:16 < rxr> daja77: no phone no. of miguel here ...
17:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I do the linux-header mess work ..
17:17 < jsaw_> mnemoc: no, please not. A independant config, please
17:17 < jsaw_> mnemoc: I think this is more like haveing a different linux.cfg under config/$config/
17:18 < mnemoc> you need both
17:18 < mnemoc> the default and the option to alter them
17:18 < jsaw_> yes, I know, but that is what tail is for imo
17:19 < jsaw_> you don't want to include the .desc when running the tail parser, or?
17:19 < rxr> my god:
17:19 < rxr> 600-Watt-ATX-Netzteil f?r PCs mit zwei SLI-Grafikkarten
17:19 < jsaw_> hehe, 1kW - think in terms of laser printers :p
17:20 < rxr> huh: Adobe Unveils Open Source Library
17:21 < rxr> Adobe ?
17:21 < rxr> " The first two libraries available, titled Adam and Eve, respectively, take on complex GUI issues in applications."
17:21 < rxr> in my opinion Adobe does not shine in User Interface buisiness
17:21 < rxr> so what should I want crappy libs for ....
17:21 < rxr> e.g. look at Adobe acread for linuex ...
17:22 < mnemoc> jsaw_: we can start adding partial .tail files into $confdir, only including uid and gui options for now, and adding tail overlay
17:24 < mnemoc> tail.cfg:$pkg\t$option\$value
17:25 < jsaw_> mnemoc: that's what I meant with the --post-include option, afaiu, your implementation parses linearly, so post-including will overwrite gather data, or?
17:26 < mnemoc> yes :)
17:27 < jsaw_> what's about "$option\t$value(\t$pkg)?"
17:27 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
17:28 < jsaw_> that would not change parsing semantics to much
17:28 < jsaw_> hi _Ragnar_ 
17:29 < valentin> stupid bash question : how can i use a variable initialized in a read loop outside of that loop ?
17:29 < mnemoc> jsaw_: mine is easier to parse, but if you add the extension, no problem :)
17:30 < mnemoc> remember $value may contain sub content
17:30 < jsaw_> valentin: < <(...) :(
17:30 < jsaw_> mnemoc: ic
17:31 < mnemoc> valentin: but only works on bash
17:31 < valentin> i do not mind since i need it for bash
17:32 < mnemoc> are you reading a pipe or a file ?
17:32 < valentin> i am reading a pipe
17:32 < valentin> and i set a variable inside that loop that i need outside later
17:32 < mnemoc> done < <( function blah blah )
17:32 < jsaw_> or "< <(cat)"
17:32 < mnemoc> done < file in that case :)
17:33 < mnemoc> which is standard
17:33 < valentin> why doesn't that work on pipes ?
17:33 < jsaw_> would "<0" also work?
17:33 < mnemoc> scopes
17:33 < mnemoc> jsaw_: i guess
17:34 < valentin> and why can't bash work like any normal programming language ?
17:34 < mnemoc> jsaw_: i'm moving ooo to direct build, without ooo-build
17:34 < mnemoc> blah | while read; do
17:34 < mnemoc> creates a new level
17:34 < jsaw_> mnemoc: I always had better results with ooo-build... the patches get added to ooo-build faster then to ooo directly
17:35 < mnemoc> yes, but we can't control what ooo-build does
17:35 < jsaw_> what do you mean?
17:35 < mnemoc> and patching ooo-build is a mess
17:35 < valentin> mnemoc: so export does not work over levels ...
17:36 < jsaw_> valentin: one way only
17:36 < valentin> ok - thanks
17:36 < mnemoc> jsaw_: i mean, i tried to patch ooo-build to build properly but it is almost imposible
17:36 < jsaw_> the "function | while ... done" effectively opens a subshell...
17:37 < mnemoc> differnet $$?
17:37 < mnemoc> or just scope?
17:37 < jsaw_> you only have to add the "patch" and modify the "apply" script
17:37 < mnemoc> ok, i'll try on both paths
17:38 < jsaw_> mnemoc: just scope, but it's easier to remember that it behaves like a subshell (at least for me)
17:38 < valentin> jsaw: now i know why bash loops are so f**** slow
17:38 < mnemoc> :)
17:38 < jsaw_> mnemoc: copying the patches out of ooo-build and adding our own might be easier.
17:39 < jsaw_> admittedly
17:39 < mnemoc> :)
17:41 < mnemoc> can something like:  ( foo blah poink >&30 & )     while read; do true; done <30 ?
17:42 < mnemoc> work?
17:48 < rxr> for the syntax review our scripts
17:48 < rxr> we have such hacks ...
17:49 < rxr> see merger.sh
17:49 < rxr> svn-utils
17:49 < rxr> while read -u 66 x ; do
17:49 < rxr> ...
17:49 < rxr> done 66< .merge-list
17:49 < rxr> and co ...
17:49 < mnemoc> oh
18:28 < jsaw_> gone... cu later
18:29 < mnemoc> cu
18:55 < rxr> re
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: was that a help ?
18:55 < mipe> hmm,linux26 is failing
18:56 < mipe> well actually xorg modules in linux26 build
18:56 < rxr> the .11 one =
18:56 < rxr> ? even
18:56 < mipe> yep
18:56 < mipe> error in xc drm agp support
18:56 < mipe> uhm xorg drm agp support
18:57 < rxr> hm - that is not so good ...
18:57 < rxr> built on ppc ...
18:58 < mipe> failed on me stage 5 amd64
19:00 < rxr> you could look into it or e.g. diff .10 and .11 to see what changed on the agp front ...
19:19 < mipe> uhm this cant be right... altought i'm newbie in kernel code structure
19:19 < _Ragnar_> rxr: any idea on the linux24 problem?
19:20 < rxr> ouhm - I already forgot what the 24 problem was
19:20 < rxr> can you give me a hint ?
19:21 < mipe> agpgart module is from kernel right?
19:21 < _Ragnar_> no module loading due to missing 'memcpy'
19:22 < rxr> ouch - that one ...
19:22 < rxr> hm - what optimization did you choose ?
19:25 < mipe> rxr:all i can find is that xorg agp_drmsupport.h uses drm_agp structure and it was in drivers/char/agp/backend.c in earlier version but isnt anymore there thats why i get error on xorgs drm_agpsupport
19:27 < _Ragnar_> athlon
19:27 < rxr> the reorganize the drm stuff heavily in linux26 ...
19:27 < rxr> _Ragnar_: can you just try another to check if it is some internal misconfiguration ?
19:28 < _Ragnar_> hmmmm
19:29 < _Ragnar_> is there some way to check whether it would work aside from booting that kernel?
19:33 < mipe> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2385
19:48 < mipe> rxr:linux26 built on you?
19:48 < mipe> the .11
19:50 < CIA-9> rene * r6954 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf: 
19:50 < CIA-9> * some major DRM work goes on in Linux 2.6 - and the X.org drivers no longer
19:50 < CIA-9>  build due to major API changes
19:53 < CIA-9> rene * r6955 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/postlinux.conf: 
19:53 < CIA-9> * only build the X.org included drivers for Linux 2.4 since under 2.6 they
19:53 < CIA-9>  are under majorly reworked ...
19:55 < mipe> :)
20:27 < rxr> you do not get there
20:27 < rxr> re
20:35 < mnemoc> re
20:36 < mnemoc> can linux24 problem be due to using linux26 headers?
20:37 < rxr> 2no
20:37 < rxr> a kernel uses of course the instal header stuff during compilation
20:37 < mnemoc> cvs -z4 -Q -d :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.services.openoffice.org:/cvs co -P -r SRC680_m82 OpenOffice
20:37 < mnemoc> 648M downloaded from archive so far...
20:38 < rxr> *lol
20:38 < rxr> *
20:44 < mnemoc> .oO( i guess .cron and .init must be autoinstalled )o
20:46 < mnemoc> 652M downloaded from archive so far...
20:47 < mnemoc> .oO( we should get a way (sftp) to inject tarballs into mirrors )o
20:57 < mipe> uhm linux-header fails,when extracting source:no such file...., srctar is set to auto shouldnt it be set to source file found in archdir?
20:58 < rxr> oh
20:58 < rxr> that should be a regression caused by me ...
20:58 < rxr> sorry
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21:07 < mnemoc> row row row your boat
21:07 < mnemoc> gently down the streeeeeam....
21:08 < CIA-9> amery * r6956 /trunk/package/kde/ (69 files in 33 dirs): 
21:08 < CIA-9> * cleaned kde/* to source common file on .desc, removing unneeded .conf files
21:08 < CIA-9> * improved kde/* files to use $datadir instead of $prefix/share
21:08 < CIA-9> * improved kde/* files to use pkgprefix
21:08 < mnemoc> merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
21:08 < mnemoc> life is but a dream!
21:09 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
21:10 < mnemoc> i sweeped you baby
21:10 < rxr> yeah - thanks
21:11 < rxr> had to rm -rf the desc* since I generated the checksums on my server
21:11 < rxr> did not wanted to saturate the DSL line here
21:11 < mnemoc> i can commit checksums too :)
21:11 < mnemoc> and you merge both
21:12 < rxr> nope
21:12 < rxr> all fine
21:12 < rxr> I just rerun the checksum injection ...
21:13 < mnemoc> :)
21:13 < mnemoc> how long will you be there?
21:13 < rxr> here ?
21:13 < rxr> around online ?
21:14 < mnemoc> at parent's house
21:14 < rxr> until cebit ...
21:14 < rxr> want to save some money for the railway ...
21:14 < mnemoc> :)
21:14 < rxr> I'm here for my mothers brithday and grandpa's funeral - and just work the weeks between that and the cebit here - in my old home ...
21:15 < mnemoc> ic
21:16 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
21:16 < Minto> hi folks
21:17 < mnemoc> hi minto
21:17 < Minto> Hi mnemoc, how's the weather over there?
21:18 < Minto> Over here (the Netherlands) we have the worst snow since 26 years.
21:18 < rxr> Minto: yeah - same here in germany
21:18 < rxr> seldom saw so much snow in my life ...
21:19 < Minto> I can remember 79 being even worser.
21:19 < Minto> But this is seems to be all over Europe
21:20 < mnemoc> 31°C according to wheather.com
21:20 < mnemoc> weather*
21:20 < Minto> Uhmmm, maybe I book a flight richt now ;-)
21:21 < mnemoc> book me flight to amsterdam too :)
21:21 < Minto> This time of the year?
21:22 < mnemoc> no return
21:22 < mnemoc> :)
21:22 < mnemoc> i only need to money for the tickets
21:23 < Minto> Same for me. What so bad about Chile that you wanna run away for?
21:24 < mnemoc> good question :)
21:25 < Minto> I managed to add my first package (Apache apr) to T2.
21:26 < mnemoc> :D
21:26 < mnemoc> i have apache ant enqueued
21:27 < rxr> mnemoc: you want to migrate to europe ?
21:27 < mnemoc> i would love to
21:27 < Minto> Cool. I'd love to see more java stuff showing up. Is apache maven scheduled too?
21:27 < mnemoc> not yet
21:28 < mnemoc> i'm fighting against jikesrvm currently
21:29 < Minto> Who is winning?
21:29 < mnemoc> he
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have a plan for that? 
21:30 < mnemoc> openoffice
21:30 < mnemoc> or you mean migration?
21:32 < rxr> migration ;-)
21:32 < mnemoc> i need to survive until we get our degrees first
21:34 < mnemoc> i have italian passport, so migration is not too^3 hard
21:35 < valentin> mnemoc: then t2 will become a less world-wide project ... but nevermind - come over here :)
21:35 < rxr> how did you got that ?
21:35 < CIA-9> amery * r6957 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * updated clip (1.1.13-138 -> 1.1.13-154)
21:35 < mnemoc> grandfather -> mother -> me :p
21:36 < rxr> aha ,-)
21:36 < mnemoc> i even get votes by mail :p
21:36 < mnemoc> but i need to learn italian before *g*
21:37 < mnemoc> rxr: will you commit kde checksums?
21:38 < rxr> oh - yes
21:40 < valentin> mnemoc, rxr: you two are crazy - look at the t2 commit graph ...
21:40 < CIA-9> rene * r6958 /trunk/package/kde/ (19 files in 19 dirs): * injected kde checksums
21:41 < mnemoc> oh, it's going down again
21:42 < valentin> mnemoc: that was _not_ what i meant :)
21:42 < mnemoc> i know :p
21:44 < rxr> yeah - higher everage this year than rock ever ...
21:44 < rxr> and that with me doing crap like osx driver and cms investigation
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21:45 < mnemoc> cvs -z4 -Q -d :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.services.openoffice.org:/cvs co -P -r SRC680_m82 OpenOffice
21:45 < mnemoc> 715M downloaded from archive so far...
21:45 < _Ragnar_> ouch
21:47 < mnemoc> rxr: how did you configured svn.exactcde.de to be about to have a homepage?
21:48 < mnemoc> s/about/able/
21:50 < rxr> well - svn.exactcode.de normal virtual server and the many svn reps are, too IIRC
21:51 < mnemoc> can you show me part of it? 
21:51 < rxr> ah - no one virtual server
21:51 < rxr> and the repos are custom locations:
21:51 < rxr> <Location /t2>
21:51 < rxr>         DAV     svn
21:52 < mnemoc> each repo a custom location?
21:53 < mnemoc> kdebase failing due to sasl :|
21:55 < rxr> yes
21:55 < rxr> oh - I saw this with -beta1 ro so ..
21:55 < rxr> kdebase built here
21:55 < rxr> on my iBook it built
21:55 < rxr> today
21:56 < mnemoc> on trunk?
21:56 < rxr> yep
21:56 < rxr> t2:head
21:56 < mnemoc> uhm
22:02 < mnemoc> daja77: will you share your amazing achievement with us?
22:03 < daja77> hm?
22:04 < mnemoc> ok, don't worry
22:04 < mnemoc> i was thinking in /usr/lib/clanlib{06,07}/
22:06 < daja77> you can grab the patch from sm later and change the paths, but wait it is a forked package now
22:06 < mnemoc> ok
22:10 < CIA-9> rene * r6959 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/linux-header.conf: 
22:10 < CIA-9> * removed manual untar from linux-header since srctar is no longer set in linux24
22:10 < CIA-9>  after the recent cleanup - leads to simplification
22:18 < Minto> Can anyone tell me how I can build a single package into an already build target. 
22:18 < Minto> When I use ./script/Build-Pkg -cfg <targetname> <packagename>
22:18 < Minto> then the package log file ends up in /var/adm/logs instead of ./build/<target>/var/adm/logs
22:18 < Minto> What am I missing?
22:19 < mnemoc> -job stage-package
22:19 < mnemoc> hey wait
22:19 < mnemoc> Build-Target  not Build-Pkg
22:20 < mnemoc> Build-Pkg is a helper, shared between Build-Target and Emerge-Pkg
22:20 < mnemoc> don't use it
22:20 < mnemoc> at least until you know how :)
22:21 < mnemoc> ./script/Build-Target -cfg <configname> -job <stage>-<package>
22:21 < Minto> Okay, i'll try
22:22 < mnemoc> btw, package must be X on config/$config/packages, and be part of the selected stage
22:22 < Minto> The package is not in there yet
22:22 < mnemoc> Config -> Expert -> enable pkgsel
22:23 < mnemoc> echo X package >> config/$config/pkgsel
22:23 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg $config -oldconfig
22:23 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg $config -job 5-package
22:24 < Minto> There's no easy way to just build package once without changing configuration?
22:25 < CIA-9> amery * r6960 /trunk/package/network/bridge-utils/bridge-utils.desc: * fixed bridge-utils download location
22:25 < mnemoc> with Build-Pkg you can inject stuff
22:25 < mnemoc> but you need to give lot of extra info
22:26 < Minto> ./script/Build-Target -cfg <configname> -job <stage>-<package>
22:26 < Minto> did the job without changing config
22:30 < mnemoc> 812M downloaded from archive so far...
22:36 < CIA-9> amery * r6961 /trunk/package/network/howl/howl.desc: * added CV-URL for howl
22:36 < CIA-9> amery * r6962 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
22:41 < mnemoc> daja77: does rock has c++ compiler on stage 1?
22:43 < daja77> dunno
22:46 < mnemoc> 2.0 didn't
22:46 < mnemoc> and i asume libxml++ needs a c++ compiler :)
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22:57 < jackflash2> hi rxr
22:57 < mnemoc> hi jackflash2 
22:57 < mnemoc> :)
22:57 < jackflash2> :)
22:59 < mnemoc> can i help you? or you need to talk personally to rxr?
22:59 < jackflash2> i want to ask him about the problem he had with the sym scsi controller
23:00 < mnemoc> personal :)
23:00 < jackflash2> it produces vast ammounts of messages on syslog stating 'sym: phase change 6-7"
23:00 < mnemoc> oh
23:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ping :)
23:03 < rxr> re
23:03 < rxr> pong
23:03 < jackflash2> :)
23:03 < rxr> sorry me relaxing or better sleeping in front of the tv ...
23:03 < jackflash2> oh
23:03 < mnemoc> rxr on zombie mode
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23:07 < rxr> rock has no c++ compiler that early
23:07 < rxr> but we will have soon ...
23:26 < rxr> mnemoc: can you merge the bleeding bison or what it was
23:26 < rxr> and I do the linux-header work then ...
23:26 < rxr> cu
23:26 < rxr> n8 all
23:27 < mnemoc> ok
23:35 < daja77> mnemoc: libxml++ is not that an important package, i just packaged it for wormux
23:35 < mnemoc> i want wormux too :p
23:36 < daja77> grab the patch then ;)
23:36 < CIA-9> amery * r6963 /trunk/package/base/bison/ (bison.desc gxx-attr-unused-fix.patch): * updated bison (1.875 -> 2.0), merged from bleeding branch.
23:36 < mnemoc> i did :p
23:37 < mnemoc> but failed on stage 1 due to c++
23:37 < daja77> a game in stage 1?
23:37 < mnemoc> libxml++
23:38 < daja77> hm
23:39 < mnemoc> i'm waiting my ref build reaches it on stage 5
23:39 < mnemoc> cvs -z4 -Q -d :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.services.openoffice.org:/cvs co -P -r SRC680_m82 OpenOffice
23:39 < mnemoc> 993M downloaded from archive so far... <--- this is insane
23:42 < rxr> it is ooo
23:42 < rxr> i mean the project is already named .oO(what do you expect)
23:42 < mnemoc> :)
23:43  * rxr really off now - cu in the morning
23:43 < mnemoc> rxr: jackflash2 was waiting for your help :p
23:52 < mnemoc> 1.2G downloaded from archive so far....
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