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00:00 < rxr> aside that all the 64bit stuff is present as 32bit version, too
00:00 < mnemoc> ok, backups moved, let's kill that ugly old rock-2.0.1
00:00 < rxr> and for some really brain dead reason (did I mention all of windows is brain dead?) they use sysstem32 for the 64 bit suff (nice, ermh)? and the 32bit compat stuff is in some wow (windows on windows) s.th. folder ...
00:00 < rxr> yuck
00:01 < mnemoc> o_O
00:01 < rxr> good that I do not use windows for anything but to analyze the original windows scanner driver ...
00:01 < mnemoc> :)
00:01 < rxr> and even there windows just freaks up randomly ...
00:01 < rxr> as usual ...
00:01 < Postal> thats why i dont use windows
00:01 < Postal> period
00:01 < rxr> and the B: drive that showed up after some driver isntall - and is not in the box - still did not vanish again ... ;-()
00:01 < mnemoc> rxr: and osx?
00:02 < rxr> well - osx is at least not that ugly and works to some degree ...
00:02 < rxr> but I also only run that for this commercial driver thing ... and I'll not take a osx contract work in the near u
00:02 < rxr> but I also only run that for this commercial driver thing ... and I'll not take a osx contract work in the near future again
00:02 < rxr> linux is just way more relaxing and working smoothly - especially t2 of course ...
00:03 < mnemoc> :)
00:03 < Postal> you know what they say "If you cant fix it in linux, you have the wrong problem"
00:03 < mnemoc> :)
00:03 < mnemoc> i have to move, bbl
00:03 < Postal> as opposed to windows which you just cant fix ;-)
00:03 < rxr> ok - sane-avision hardening and bug fixing finished ...
00:04 < Postal> cu mnemoc
00:04 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
00:04 < rxr> so - todo for this evening empty - moving into bed in some seconds ...
00:04 < Postal> rxr, why dont you want to use gnome for the live cd.. before you go..?
00:04 < rxr> because I'm not a gnome gan in general ..
00:05 < rxr> I prefer the well designed kde architecture
00:05 < Postal> you like KDE?
00:05 < Postal> hmmm, gnome 2.8 is pretty nice
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00:05 < Postal> kde is just to flashy for me i suppose
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00:05 < rxr> if you one used the ioslaves (opening http ftp ssh and so one files in any application) - or the kparts stuff (embedding word, spread, pdf and son on in any kpart aware app like konqueror koffie ) you will never go anywhere else ;-)
00:06 < rxr> flashy ?
00:06 < Postal> yeah..
00:06 < rxr> graphically - in termns of design gnome in my opinion gnome often looks nicer
00:06 < rxr> but technically and using I prefer kde 
00:07 < Postal> yes, but kde has lots of bouncy coursers and what not... late at night, im afraid i might have a sizure...
00:07 < rxr> however that never stopped me to taking care of the gnome packages - I brought te
00:07 < rxr> them into ROCK at ROCK 1.7 / dRock times and pushed them to 2.0 when it was released and so on ...
00:07 < Postal> i assume 2.8 is in the repository?
00:07 < rxr> and aside from the general package selection possibilities the live cd willl of course have a global kde or gnome or xfce switch
00:08 < rxr> sure
00:08 < rxr> and my girlfriend started to update it to 2.9 for testing today ...
00:08 < rxr> we will 2.10 around the days when it is releaed as stable - maybe some days before ...
00:08 < Postal> i was just about to ask that..
00:08 < Postal> does you gf work on T2 also?
00:09 < rxr> slightly ...
00:10 < Postal> lol, my gf cannot send emails with attatchments
00:10 < Postal> :-/
00:10 < rxr> but she is using it and doing gnome work and other stuff when there is s.th. she needs 
00:10 < Postal> as soon as i start talking about linux my gf just spaces out till im done 
00:11 < rxr> hehe
00:11 < rxr> mine is studing computer science also
00:11 < Postal> in fact so do 90% of the population lol
00:11 < rxr> but that is not always that easiy ...
00:11 < Postal> ..?
00:12 < rxr> especially with someone like /me who did computer stuff since the age of 10 and tinkers on so basic levels as I and alkways has to comment on details and questions .. :-(
00:12 < Postal> ic
00:13 < Postal> well, i have about 40 something odd packages to go lol so ill see you tomorrow
00:13 < Postal> im on vacation so ill start a T2 build to test the glibc32
00:14 < Postal> cause the last build had hundreds of errors in stage 5 and up...
00:15 < Postal> too many to post
00:15 < rxr> thanks for testing
00:15  * rxr in bed
00:15 < rxr> n8 all - cu Postal 
00:15 < Postal> cu rxr
00:15 < jeru> n6 rxr ... will also go sleep 
00:15 < jeru> cu postal
00:16 < Postal> cu jeru
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00:45 < mnemoc> re
01:01 < Postal> hey mnemoc
01:02 < mnemoc> hi Postal 
01:02 < Postal> compiling my kernel finally
01:02 < mnemoc> good
01:03 < Postal> the only thing about it is that ive worked all day to see a text propmt in about 20 min
01:11 < CIA-9> amery * r6708 /trunk/package/base/libdaemon/libdaemon.conf: * changed libdaemon .conf, making optional lynx and removed obsolete restriction about doxygen
01:19 < CIA-9> amery * r6709 /trunk/package/base/ifplugd/ifplugd.conf: * improved ifplugd to build when lynx is not available
01:20 < Postal> mnemoc, if i have two cdrom drives, they would be /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, and /dev/cdroms/cdrom1 correct? for fstab
01:23 < mnemoc> yes
01:27 < Postal> i told it to mount them at dvd, and cdrw respectivly and created the dirs, that should work correct?
01:28 < mnemoc> i think so
01:30 < Postal> ;-) im getting exited now 
01:30 < Postal> almost done
01:30 < mnemoc> jsaw: are you around? how can i teach rockplug about a new module?
01:33 < jsaw> still, yes
01:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: depmod
01:33 < mnemoc> just that?
01:33 < mnemoc> let see
01:34 < Postal> what system logger would you all recomend?
01:34 < jsaw> if it does not appear in the respective modules.*map, you have to add it manually to some of the /etc/rockplug/*/*handmap or usermap files.
01:36 < Postal> what option do i add to get around a package masked by a missing keyword?
01:36 < Postal> opps wrong chat 
01:36 < jsaw> :)
01:40 < Postal> well now thats frustraing they masked all of the system loggers...
01:50 < Postal> that really makes me mad actually...
01:54 < jsaw> leaving the lab, cu later
01:55 < Postal> cu jsaw
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02:16 < mnemoc> hi ideal 
02:17 < ideal> hi mnemoc:)
02:17 < ideal> hi rxr:)
02:27 < mnemoc> jsaw: does rockplug includes some magic linking it to rocknet?? i don't know how but it works
02:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: i mean, i plug and rocknet default $if up is run, unplug and rocknet default $if down is run
02:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: but only after i load the module by hand
02:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: my nvidia card isn't detected to load nvidia module neither :| and i don't know what to right on pci.{hand,user}map
02:53 < Postal> I wonder how gentoo got round compiling grub in 64bit?
02:55 < mnemoc> Postal: look into the patches
03:07 < jsaw> re
03:08 < mnemoc> re jsaw :)
03:08 < jsaw> mnemoc: what vendor/device has your nvidia card?
03:09 < Postal> any of you good with grub?
03:09 < jsaw> not really, still, ask...
03:10 < mnemoc> jsaw: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go 5200] (rev a1)
03:10 < Postal> i said root=/dev/sda3 and it says it cannot mount that partition, but i know that is the partition, cause i just got done seting it up...
03:10 < mnemoc> jsaw: how do i know vendor/device?
03:10 < jsaw> ls /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0
03:11 < Postal> does the bios call it something else prehaps... and i am in grub, will it let me do that?
03:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: vendor: 0x10de
03:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: device: 0x0324
03:12 < jsaw> copy one line in the pci.handmap, and change third column to 0x0324
03:13 < mnemoc> done
03:13 < jsaw> Postal: wait a sec
03:14 < mnemoc> should i do the same with my acx_pci?
03:14 < Postal> jsaw ok
03:16 < jsaw> Postal: what you can try is to run "find <kernel-name>" in the grub shell
03:18 < Postal> hmm its not finding it, prehaps i typed in the name wrong, now i have to go look...
03:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: not exactly, the other columns hold information about the type of the card...
03:18 < Postal> cause the root partition must already be mounted if its booting grub so...
03:19 < jsaw> not really.
03:19 < Postal> was that a not really to me?
03:19 < jsaw> yep
03:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: should i paste everything i get on /sys/bus/pci/devices/ or there are wildcards?
03:19 < jsaw> Postal: root= is a kernel parameter
03:20 < Postal> ok, but if it cannot find the kernel then i prolly just typed the name wrong, and now i cannot remember so im booting into the live cd to check
03:20 < jsaw> mnemoc: your acx_ module is not found in /lib/modules/*/modules.pcimap ?
03:21 < jsaw> Postal: grub names the boot devices in the form of sth. like (hd0,0)
03:21 < Postal> yeah i got that
03:21 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes, it is there
03:22 < Postal> ah ha
03:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: but rockplug can't find it?
03:23 < mnemoc> i'll try again
03:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: output of "/sbin/rockscan -h pci"
03:23 < jsaw> _
03:23 < jsaw> ?
03:23 < Postal> silly little typo
03:23 < jsaw> Postal: which?
03:24 < mnemoc> uhm, nothing matches for my nvidia
03:24 < mnemoc> neither for my acx_100
03:25 < Postal> ok, so i named the kernel kernel-2.6.10-ck5, in the grub.conf i called it kernel-2.6.10-ck but that has not fixed the problem
03:26 < Postal> it stall says it cannot mount the partition...
03:27 < Postal> still* grr this makes me angry
03:28 < jsaw> is the partition marked bootable?
03:28 < Postal> should be let me look
03:29 < Postal> the root partition is not marked as bootable i dont think... the boot partition should be though let me look
03:30 < Postal> yeah the partition that is /boot is marked bootable
03:31 < CIA-9> amery * r6710 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.in: * improved mnemosyne parser to support ^#Forced: to force values
03:31 < Postal> ok /dev/sda1, but the root partition "/" /dev/sda3 is not
03:31 < jsaw> Postal: show me the grub.conf in query
03:31 < Postal> query?
03:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: i guess you wont be able to work :p
03:32 < mnemoc> Postal: /query jsaw
03:34 < CIA-9> amery * r6711 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Security/vserver.ask: * changed mnemosyne's vserver plugin to force VLAN=1 instead of injecting it's package
04:12 < CIA-9> amery * r6712 /trunk/package/base/rockplug/update_cache.patch: * fixed rockplug to update cache if modules.{pci,usb}map was updated (thanks jsaw!)
04:17 < Postal> I am so utterly fed up with this gentoo crap
04:17 < mnemoc> :)
04:17 < jsaw> :)
04:17 < Postal> bloody piece of crap i spent all day on and it dosent even bloody work, and on to of that the hardware detection sucks...
04:18 < mnemoc> Postal: you may try to cross build an amd64-cross-base with t2
04:18  * _Ragnar_ hugs Postal 
04:18 < Postal> why cross base?
04:18 < mnemoc> :D
04:18 < _Ragnar_> I thought the same when I tried the first uclibc build;)
04:18 < mnemoc> :(
04:19 < jsaw> hehe
04:19 < Postal> cross base like 32 and 64 bit?
04:19 < mnemoc> no, pure-64
04:19 < Postal> why cross, i have a 64 bit box, and a 64bit debian enviroment
04:20 < mnemoc> anyway.... i'll go to bed :p
04:20 < _Ragnar_> nini mnemoc
04:20 < _Ragnar_> :)
04:20 < mnemoc> nini?
04:20 < _Ragnar_> goodnight :)
04:21 < Postal> cu mnemoc
04:21 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_ btw
04:21 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what language?
04:21 < jsaw> buenas noches mnemoc 
04:21 < mnemoc> buenas noches george
04:21 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: irc
04:21 < _Ragnar_> ;D
04:21 < jsaw> (did I mess up a/o again? I hope not)
04:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: hehe
04:22 < mnemoc> nini _Ragnar_ :p
04:22 < _Ragnar_> =)
04:22 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw, Postal 
04:23 < jsaw> byebye
04:25 < jsaw> when mnemoc goes to be, and he lives in Chile while I live in Germany... eh, maybe I should consider consulting my pillow too
04:26 < mnemoc> you are 4 hours ahead
04:27 < jsaw> yep...
04:27 < mnemoc> sleep now, since tomorrow you wont be able
04:27 < jsaw> uh, right.
04:27 < mnemoc> gn8 :)
04:27 < jsaw> cu all...gn8
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07:17 < rxr> moin
07:21 < mipe> hi rxr
07:21 < mipe> freezing cold :( -20 degrees
07:21 < rxr> ouhm - only -2 or so over here ;-)
07:22 < mipe> yeah,my parents called hour ago or so, there are in dubai in vacation and told that its +30 or so there :(
07:22 < mipe> not fair :)
07:23 < rxr> thats indeed not fair *g*
07:42 < mipe> hmm,does beta4 isos come with ati driver? my backup process is allmost done, gonna install t2 later tonight or tomorrow
07:43 < mipe> ups,beta3 isos
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08:37 < CIA-9> rene * r6713 /trunk/package/www/ (firefox/startpage.patch mozilla/home-bookmarks.patch): 
08:37 < CIA-9> * fixed mozilla home-bookmarks.patch to use a t2 instead rock url
08:37 < CIA-9> * added a simillar patch to firefox ;-)
08:37 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
08:38 < _Ragnar_> hey rene
08:39 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_ 
08:40 < CIA-9> rene * r6714 /trunk/package/www/mozilla/ (home-bookmarks.patch startpage.patch): 
08:40 < CIA-9> * renamed the mozilla/home-bookmarks.patch to startpage.patch since
08:40 < CIA-9>  we no longer patch bookmarks in, just alter the startpage ...
09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r6715 /trunk/misc/share/DownloadTranslations: * reverted r6674 sf.net download load balancing is not up for me
09:03 < CIA-9> rene * r6716 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.2-beta4 -> 1.2)
09:04 < CIA-9> rene * r6717 /trunk/package/kde/ (26 files in 26 dirs): 
09:04 < CIA-9> * merged kde-3.4 branch into trunk (works (good enough) for me),
09:04 < CIA-9>  includes amazing features (fast user switching, reworked kpdf, ...)
09:05 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
09:06 < rxr> _Ragnar_: yes?
09:06 < _Ragnar_> 'amazing' :)
09:07 < rxr> fast user switching _is_ cool - as is the new kpdf ;-)
09:07 < _Ragnar_> ;)
09:09 < CIA-9> rene * r6718 /branches/kde-3.4/: * removed branches/kde-3.4, merged into trunk
09:14 < rxr> http://www.yzis.org/screenshots/
09:14 < CIA-9> rene * r6719 /trunk/package/kde/ (koffice/koffice.desc koffice-i18n/koffice-i18n.desc): * reverted koffice URL destruction done by sed run
09:15 < rxr> Yzis a brand new editor inspired by vim. Yzis aims to be a powerful, fast editor with all of Vim's features and hopefully, at some point, more.
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13:57 < jeru> moin
13:58 < rxr> moin jeru 
13:58 < jeru> hi rxr
13:58 < rxr> jeru: do you already know if you attend the cebit for some days?
13:59 < jeru> rxr: answer from chef still outstanding :| ... will call him today
14:01 < jeru> rxr: I will tell you the result this evening
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14:02 < rxr> no need to call him - I just wanted to improve my overview ...
14:02 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
14:02 < jeru> rxr: do you know a smart way mounting a ramdisk as /var 
14:02 < mnemoc> moin
14:02 < rxr> ouhm? I need some details what you wanna do;-)
14:03 < mnemoc> i think i have conflicts between rockplug/net and my own calls to rocknet
14:04 < jeru> rxr: want to boot from a read-only / residing on a Compact-Flash and mounting a ramdisk as /var for logs etc.
14:05 < rxr> moun /tmp as tmpfs
14:05 < mnemoc> rxr: why isn't that default?
14:05 < rxr> no
14:06 < rxr> mkdir /tmp/newvar
14:06 < rxr> cp or tar or what you like /var /tmp/newvar
14:06 < rxr> mount --move /tmp/newvar /var
14:06 < rxr> ?
14:07 < rxr> err - insert the step where you mount your favourite ram* whatever to /tmp/newvar ;-)
14:07 < jeru> rxr: thank you ... I will try it out :)
14:08 < mnemoc> "more than a distribution" sounds like gentoo
14:08 < rxr> propose new content ;-)
14:08  * mnemoc thinking
14:08 < jeru> hi mnemoc
14:09 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
14:12 < jeru> proposal for content: we should have something like a short "What is T2" on the startpage followed by some "buzzwording" ;)
14:12 < jeru> e.g. T2 is powerful and flexible: <short intro why>
14:13 < mnemoc> that's what i tried on the wiki
14:13 < mnemoc> what is T2
14:13 < jeru> e.g. T2 is extensible: <insert text>
14:13 < mnemoc> what is a SDE (aks DBK)
14:13 < mnemoc> what makes T2 different
14:16 < mnemoc> rxr: in what experience, what's the best method to burn a T2 iso? tao? raw?
14:16 < mnemoc> rxr: i have problems booting a disk :\
14:18 < rxr> I always only do:
14:18 < rxr> cdrectord dev=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 blank=minimal the.iso
14:18 < rxr> sometimes --force to get cdrecord to burn on high speed CD-RWs with my iBook low-speed writer ...
14:19 < rxr> never had problems ... AFAIR
14:19 < mnemoc> let's try again then
14:19  * rxr hungry ..
14:20 < jeru> rxr: do you use kernel 2.6 while burning cd's ?
14:20 < mnemoc> i am
14:20 < jeru> because I have problems using cdrecord with 2.6. but haven't examined yet
14:21 < rxr> yes
14:21 < rxr> jeru: the new command filtering in the linux kernel is strange
14:21 < rxr> and some versions .9 or so have been uber buggy ...
14:21 < rxr> but aside that I had no problems 
14:21 < jeru> you lucky one :)
14:22 < rxr> except that we should viloate joerg schillings warnings in cdrecord
14:22 < rxr> that complains about linux 2.6 and advertices Solaris
14:22 < mnemoc> hehe
14:22 < jeru> damn
14:22 < jeru> this strange joerg :/
14:22 < jeru> :)
14:22 < rxr> yes
14:22 < rxr> and the bad thing is he lives in berlin, too ...
14:23 < rxr> such a bad repuatation
14:23 < jeru> i know
14:23 < mnemoc> rxr: how does rockplug(autonet) work?
14:23 < rxr> no wonder that the industry is not investing into berlin *g*
14:23 < rxr> (with all those Joerg style programmers here ...)
14:23 < rxr> mnemoc: well - it only runs rocknet for the interface that was reported as added by the kernel
14:24 < rxr> however I do not like it and it just sucks for my use cases
14:25 < jeru> rxr: we don't have to complain about the situation ... we've to change it in our own way ;)
14:26 < rxr> yep - we missed you at the anti patent demonstration *g* ...
14:26 < jeru> ahh ... damn ... rxr you got me ;)
14:35 < mnemoc> have anyone seen the code for 'press enter to continue booting from harddrive' for cdrom-s?
14:36 < rxr> never cared ...
14:45 < mnemoc> ill have to remove cdrom drive from my router.... i guess the server's is damaged
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15:09 < mnemoc> server's cdrom got breaked inside the machine :|
15:09 < mnemoc> broken*
15:09 < mnemoc> i can do music shaking it
15:17 < jeru> shake that ... mnemoc :)
15:17 < mnemoc> :p
15:18 < mnemoc> router's cdrom works but doesn't boot cdrw.... i'll have to go to buy a cd-r :\
15:20 < rxr> ouhm
15:20 < rxr> much luck mnemoc 
15:31 < valentin> uag - M$ claims patent on "!="
15:32 < rxr> don't they already own xor to check (web sites) for updates?
15:32 < rxr> btw. I claim binary 0 and 1 - and any number systems on the w
15:32 < rxr> ay
15:32  * rxr lunch - cu
15:34 < jeru> cu
15:47 < jeru> mkdir: created directory `/tmp/var'
15:47 < jeru> mount: mount point /tmp/var  does not exist
15:48 < jeru> mnemoc: want to create /var on ramdisk
15:49 < jeru> these are the steps in my init:
15:49 < jeru> 1. mounting /tmp (tmpfs)
15:50 < jeru> 2. creating /tmp/var mountpoint
15:50 < jeru> 3. mounting a ramfs /tmp/var
15:51 < jeru> but as you see it doesn' work :/ do you have a tip?
15:54 < rxr> does 1 work ?
15:55 < mnemoc> re
15:56 < mnemoc> server installing
15:56 < mnemoc> i always do (1), and i don't understand why isn't that default
15:56 < mnemoc> jeru: are you talking about minit?
15:57 < jeru> yep ... using minit
15:58 < jeru> but first I try to play around with it within a uml
15:58 < mnemoc> http://qingy.sourceforge.net/
15:59 < mnemoc> that's the minimalistic getty i want for mnemosyne
15:59 < mnemoc> (j/k)
16:00 < jeru> mnemoc: looks pretty but using fgetty atm
16:07 < mnemoc> :)
16:07 < mnemoc> i want to use fgetty too
16:07 < mnemoc> patches welcome
16:21 < mnemoc> jeru: should i keep or drop ISC's DHCP options?
16:32 < jeru> mnemoc: for me -> drop it lika a bomb
16:33 < jeru> :)
16:33 < jeru> mnemoc: atm using fgetty from cvs
16:34 < rxr> jeru: what is the problem with the version we have in trunk ?
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16:53 < CIA-9> amery * r6720 /trunk/package/base/disktype/disktype.desc: * updated disktype (7 -> 8)
17:18 < mnemoc> !> usr/share/texmf-var/ls-R: asymptote latex2html tetex
17:18 < mnemoc> !> usr/share/texmf/ls-R: asymptote tetex
17:18 < mnemoc> asymptote (0.66)
17:19 < mnemoc> TeX boys: what is ls-R?
17:20 < mnemoc> something that daily-cron may update?
17:20 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-4356292a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #T2
17:20 < Postal> Hey all
17:20 < mnemoc> hi Postal@gentoo64
17:21 < Postal> no, gentoo pissed me off Postal@Debian64
17:21 < mnemoc> better
17:21 < Postal> I could not get it to boot... after about 4 hours i gave up
17:21 < Postal> if i cannot get the damn thing to boot in 4 hours, its not worth it
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17:22 < Postal> I am going to go and eat, then im going to plug my second hard drive in, and work on some t2
17:24 < mnemoc> :)
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17:26 < mnemoc> rxr,jsaw: can i disable rockplug/autonet?
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17:31 < rxr> only by messing in the source I think ....
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17:32 < Postal> Ok, 
17:32 < rxr> hi
17:33 < jeru> moving home now ... cu 
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17:33 < Postal> hey rxr, im going to svn co and start a build with glibc32
17:38 < mnemoc> rxr: ext2 is installing on $xroot/$xroot/$prefix :\
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17:39 < mnemoc> rxr: and module-init-tools too
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18:03 < rxr> re
18:04 < Postal> so how goes the world on your side of the pond rxr 
18:05 < rxr> most is fine - thanks Postal ;-)
18:07 < Postal> I must say, gentoo, is probably the most frustrating thing I have ever encoutered... i diddnt even have fun fixing it lol... t2 is much better
18:08 < rxr> thanks for your kind words
18:08 < rxr> I have to admit I can say the same about osx *g*
18:08 < Postal> LOL, i have a question about the glibc32
18:10 < Postal> For packages such as grub, well it have to be specified that we want to use the 32 bit libs, or will the grub configure script figure it out and link against the 32bit libs automaticly..?
18:11 < rxr> no - this is controlled by the compiler
18:12 < rxr> normally it builds 64bit if you pass -m32 it builds 32bit binaries and also automatically does utilize the 32bit libraries
18:12 < Postal> ok
18:13 < Postal> ok, svn up.. :-)
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18:21 < c4y0> hello world =)
18:23 < Postal> ./scripts/Download: line 246: curl: command not found
18:23 < Postal> ./scripts/Download: line 225: src/Download-Mirror-List: No such file or directory
18:25 < Postal> edward:/mnt/t2/t2-trunk# ./scripts/Download -cfg system -required
18:25 < Postal> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror ...
18:25 < Postal> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from exactcode.de.
18:25 < Postal> ./scripts/Download: line 246: curl: command not found
18:25 < Postal> ./scripts/Download: line 225: src/Download-Mirror-List: No such file or directory
18:26 < rxr> you have no curl installed it seems ... ?
18:26 < Postal> ok
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18:30 < Postal> after it tests the mirrors it does not dl anything
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18:32 < Postal> edward:/mnt/t2/t2-trunk# ./scripts/Download -cfg system -required
18:32 < Postal> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove download/Mirror.
18:32 < Postal> INFO: Found cached mirror URL in download/Mirror:
18:32 < Postal> INFO: http://nzg.geeks.cl/t2-source/2.1
18:32 < Postal> and thats it, then it stops
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18:37 < Postal> any ideas
18:37 < mipe> ?
18:47 < rxr> Postal: you have curl in the meantime?
18:48 < Postal> yeah, i just passed a -all option, and now it works
18:49 < Postal> sort of a pain though, as I am using a minimal xorg + desktop template
18:50 < Postal> rxr, why will it not take the -required flag?
18:51 < mipe> ah ski vacation just started :) 1,5 week and back with exams :(
18:51 < Postal> :-)
18:59 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:01 < mipe> hi _Ragnar_
19:01 < rxr> Postal: maybe you did not specify some -cfg ? no idea right now ...
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19:06 < jeru> re
19:14 < rxr> hi
19:39 < mnemoc> rehi
19:41 < jeru> rehi mnemoc
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19:42 < CIA-9> amery * r6721 /trunk/package/editors/texmacs/texmacs.desc: * updated texmacs (1.0.4.5 -> 1.0.4.6)
19:50 < CIA-9> amery * r6722 /trunk/scripts/Download: * improved Download to check for 'curl' presence.
19:56 < CIA-9> amery * r6723 /trunk/package/develop/clip/ (clip.desc getpatch.sh): * updated clip (1.1.13-102 -> 1.1.13-138)
21:11 < mnemoc> rxr: when is etc/profile loaded or not loaded?
21:14  * mipe is currently installing beta3 to laptop
21:15 < mnemoc> :)
21:16 < mipe> hmm, it shouldnt detect ht cpu without recompiling kernel for p4?
21:16 < mipe> or does it?
21:17 < mnemoc> HT=SMP
21:17 < mnemoc> and SMP is on default kernel
21:17 < mipe> ah
21:17 < mipe> then it does :)
21:18 < mnemoc> yep
21:27 < Postal> I have been DL packages for over 3 hours grrr
21:27 < mipe> :(
21:28 < mnemoc> Postal: you don't need to wait for downloading everything to start building
21:28 < mnemoc> what target/template did you choice?
21:28 < Postal> i know i know, but it helps to get as far along as possible
21:28 < mnemoc> usually downloads are shorter than builds
21:29 < mipe> i'd like to see queue system on build and download integration
21:29 < mipe> maybe when c++ phase starts
21:30 < Postal> xorg + simple desktop (generic), but the download script for some reason will not except the -required flag... it just detects the mirror the exits out
21:30 < Postal> so I had to pass a -all flag to make it work
21:31 < mnemoc> mipe: build and download integration is evil
21:31 < mipe> mnemoc:really? how so?
21:31 < mnemoc> mipe: you may need to start downloading xorg just before building it instead of downloading it while glibc was building
21:32 < mnemoc> mipe: the times get increased dramaticly
21:32 < mipe> ah thats true, but what i meant was:
21:33 < Postal> something really is not right...
21:33 < mipe> packages are downloaded in bg while building is starting as soon as needed packages are fully downloaded
21:34 < mipe> i mean queue system between those two seperate programs
21:34 < Postal> Searching for old liggering files ...
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/TOOLCHAIN/pkgs/: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/cache: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/cksums: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/dependencies: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/descs: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/flists: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/md5sums: No such file or directory
21:34 < mnemoc> mipe: you can do that today, open a tty and ./scripts/Download -required and wait two minutes and start Build-Target on another tty
21:34 < Postal> ls: build/system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-64-athlon64-generic-expert/var/adm/packages: No such file or directory
21:34 < Postal> -> No errors found.
21:34 < Postal> Finishing build.
21:35 < mipe> mnemoc:thats true
21:35 < mnemoc> Postal: you are ignoring some error you saw on screen before
21:35 < mnemoc> mipe: so, why add extra complexity?
21:35 < Postal> ./scripts/Create-PkgQueue: line 197: gawk: command not found
21:35 < Postal> i think prehaps
21:35 < mnemoc> Postal: absolutly
21:35 < mipe> mnemoc:oh wait,i didnt know it waits for package to be downloaded
21:35 < Postal> how did you know?
21:35 < Postal> i totally missed that till you said somehting lol
21:35 < mnemoc> Postal: did i know what?
21:35 < Postal> nvm
21:36 < mipe> mnemoc:i thought it just gives did you run Download script for this package
21:36 < mnemoc> mipe: yes, but download use to be faster than Build
21:36 < mnemoc> mipe: and it is done in build order
21:36 < mipe> hmm,well depends :(
21:37 < mnemoc> mipe: locking Build if file is not found is even more evil
21:37 < mipe> mnemoc:yeah i know
21:38 < mipe> mnemoc:and then again users with modems are completely ignored as they tend to want download all with one run rather than making many connections
21:38 < Postal> mnemoc, i get the same message, only this time i have gawk, so i get no error
21:38 < mnemoc> mipe: users with modem may be able to download an ISO with the files ;)
21:39 < mipe> :)
21:39 < mipe> oh btw. just found a link from distrowatch thats offering distros via bt
21:39 < mipe> good choice for t2?
21:40 < mnemoc> i don't know... we are not a distro :p
21:40 < mnemoc> Postal: ./scripts/Cleanup -full
21:42 < mipe> :)
21:44 < rxr>  think it would be good ;-)
21:46 < CIA-9> amery * r6724 /trunk/package/network/arpwatch/arpwatch.desc: * updated arpwatch (2.1a4 -> 2.1a13)
21:46 < mnemoc> rxr: how much space would we need for a 'build-cd' with download included?
21:50  * c4y0 restoring my t2 system!!!!! =)
21:50 < mnemoc> uhm?
21:50 < CIA-9> amery * r6725 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.conf: * improved clip config to use match_source_file
21:50 < c4y0> i losted my t2 partition, because i has hard disk problems
21:51 < c4y0> but now im recovering, and using a new hd to continue with t2
21:51 < c4y0> hehehehe
21:53 < mnemoc> c4y0: good luck
21:57 < jeru> ramdisk prob solved :)
21:58 < jeru> does anybody have experience with squashfs?
22:00 < mipe> oh damm,gnome doesnt work :(
22:02 < mnemoc> jsaw has been played with squashfs on his distcd
22:02 < mnemoc> playing*
22:03 < jeru> ahh ok ... want to use it as rootfs for my system booting from flash ;)
22:05 < mnemoc> i want to do the some on uboot target, but i'm very short of time :'(
22:05 < jeru> ;|
22:07 < jeru> mnemoc: will also begin to play squash ;) perhaps we can merge it into your uboot
22:08 < mnemoc> that would be nice :)
22:08 < jeru> :)
22:11 < rxr> jeru: /me also will use squashfs for some things (embedded router, PDA)
22:11 < mnemoc> anyone know what blood group (O,A,B,AB) are 2 and 4?
22:12 < jeru> rxr: that's great ... so we're 3 ;)
22:14 < mnemoc> hey! 4
22:14 < jeru> ah sorry ;)
22:14 < jeru> 4 of course
22:17 < mnemoc> have anyone experienced this:
22:17 < mnemoc> checking size of curl_off_t... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (curl_off_t), 77
22:18 < mnemoc> See `config.log' for more details.
22:18 < mnemoc> No 5-curl.log file.
22:19 < mnemoc> damn 1-e2fsprogs!!! it insists in installing on $root/$root/
22:24 < rxr> mnemoc: I can take a look tomorrow if you like 
22:25 < mnemoc> if i can't today, you are free to do it tomorrow ;)
22:26 < mnemoc> same on modules-init-tools
22:27  * rxr in bed in some minutes
22:27 < jeru> ah good night rxr
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22:36 < mipe> uhm /etc/cron.daily/90-kdm: line 14: /D_prefix/share/apps/kdm/sessions/twm.desktop: No such file or directory
22:36 < mipe> :)
22:46 < mnemoc> that should have been translated during build
22:47 < mipe> yep,thats on beta3 isos
22:51 < mnemoc> so it's on trunk too
22:51 < mnemoc> do you want to fix it? :p
22:54 < mipe> :),no time atm. if i have time tomorrow i'll have a look. currently helping friend with hes java assigments then bed
22:58 < mnemoc> java assigments... /me pukes
22:58 < mipe> uhm,what do you mean by translated?
22:58 < mipe>  /D_prefix is hardcoded in kdm.cron
22:59 < mipe> i'm guessing you dont like java :)
22:59 < mnemoc> D_$foo is translated to the value of $foo on building
23:00 < mnemoc> using rock_substitute wrapper
23:00 < mnemoc> scripts/functions
23:03 < CIA-9> amery * r6726 /trunk/package/filesystem/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.conf: * fixed e2fsprogs to build properly with DESTDIR
23:10 < mipe> hmm,i dont see any problems with sed code in rock_substitute
23:10 < mipe> but then again i'm no master in sed
23:11 < Postal> Hello again all
23:11 < mipe> hi postal
23:12 < Postal> Im back from my venture into the real world... it was quite bright.... but i am rewarded with food and new guitar strings
23:12 < Postal> ;-)
23:12 < mipe> :)
23:14 < mnemoc> mipe: sed code is ok, i guess it's not called :p
23:14 < mipe> yeah :)
23:16 < mipe> hmm,atleast in functions build_package it only calls it for *.desktop files
23:16 < jeru> ok ... have to go to bed now ... c.ya 
23:16 < mipe> cya jeru
23:17 < jeru> happy hacking :D
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23:38 < CIA-9> amery * r6727 /trunk/package/filesystem/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.conf: * changed e2fsprogs to be simply prefix=''
23:51 < CIA-9> amery * r6728 /trunk/package/base/module-init-tools/module-init-tools.conf: * fixed module-init-tools to use DESTDIR properly
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