T2 IRC Log: 2005-02-21

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--- Log opened Mon Feb 21 00:00:29 2005
00:02 < jsaw_> re
00:02 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
00:13 < rxr> .oO(l7-filter)
00:14 < jsaw> ?
00:26 < rxr> new package in network
00:26 < rxr> patching the kernel or so ..
00:27 < rxr> hi jsaw !
00:27 < jsaw> hi rxr :)
00:27 < rxr> how is life?
00:28 < jsaw> .oO(not that hard yet) I'm actually pretty excited. Charlotte's very sweet too.
00:28 < jsaw> I'm currently in the lab trying to organize my stuff for the next days...
00:29 < rxr> ;-)
00:29 < rxr> PR summary:
00:30 < rxr> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de: today: 28.35 GB yesterday: 56.38 GB: the day before: 2.78 GB
00:31 < rxr> t2-project.org: today: 53.87 MB, yesterday: 27.55 MB, the day before: 1.79 MB
00:31 < rxr> great, isn't it?
00:31 < rxr> that are 7892 hits today on t2-project.org ;-)
00:31 < jsaw> due to osnews etc?
00:31 < jsaw> *wow*
00:31 < rxr> osnews, symlink, distrowatch, freshmeat
00:32 < rxr> http://www.golem.de will have the news tomorrow I think
00:32 < rxr> mayb http://www.pro-linux.de, too
00:34 < jsaw> doin a good job...!
00:35 < rxr> the announcement meant: 10x hits increase yesterday and today nearly 20x than normal ...
00:39 < rxr> the OOO installaler for osx is so crappy ..
00:39 < jsaw> don't ask...
00:39 < rxr> strange to use, claims it installs xfree86 (which I hope it will not - I have Apples tweaked X already) and now prints
00:39 < rxr> Installing .. Uninstalling OpenOffice.app
00:39 < jsaw> do have to start it with "/net" as option too there?
00:39 < rxr> although I did not had it before
00:40 < rxr> no idea
00:40 < rxr> I just run the installer - and I just clicked on it
00:40 < rxr> (running inside MOL)
00:42 < CIA-9> rene * r6687 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/ (drm-linux26-i386.patch postlinux.conf):
00:42 < CIA-9> * decustmained xorg/postlinux.conf and fixed it for i386 (die on
00:42 < CIA-9> CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG /warning/)
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01:36 < rxr> need to boot into osx soon ...
01:36 < jsaw> need to send SIGSLEEP to self, soon...
01:45 < mnemoc> re
01:45 < jsaw> hola mnemoc
01:45 < rxr> mnemoc: did you built acx100 manually ?
01:45 < rxr> what did you do to do so ?
01:46 < mnemoc> it has changed a lot
01:46 < mnemoc> it used to need only a KERNELDIR=
01:46 < rxr> that means you did not bult the version you checked in ?
01:46 < mnemoc> nope
01:47 < mnemoc> i build it about a year ago
01:47 < rxr> .oO
01:47 < rxr> ok ok
01:47 < rxr> I dig thru it ..
01:48 < rxr> I actually fixed xorg already for i386 due to the acx100 test build ...
01:48 < mnemoc> the undefined kernel option for generic?
01:57 < rxr> yep
01:57 < rxr> wanna see a screenshot of our commercial osx thingy that most probably will be in a press release tomorrow ... ?
01:59 < mnemoc> sure
02:04 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx-cut.tiff
02:04 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx.tiff
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02:05 < rxr> hi ideal
02:05 < jsaw> <- SIGSLEEP, cu!
02:05 < rxr> cu jsaw
02:05 < ideal> hi, rxr
02:05 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
02:06 < ideal> hi, mnemoc
02:07 < mnemoc> hi ideal :)
02:09 < rxr> mnemoc: screenshot comments ?
02:10 < mnemoc> looks very nice :)
02:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what happened to traceroute package?
02:17 < rxr> oehm
02:18 < rxr> was it not moved into network ?
02:18 < mnemoc> it doesn't seem so
02:24 < rxr> lost during svn mv ?
02:25 < mnemoc> incomplete svn commit?
02:25 < mnemoc> svn rm instead of mb
02:25 < mnemoc> mv?
02:27 < mnemoc> i'll move my irsii to another machine and i return. brb
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02:38 < rxr> images updates
02:38 < rxr> those screenshots
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02:44 < mnemoc> re :)
02:44 < mnemoc> rxr: r6638
02:44 < mnemoc> traceroute was not added
02:44 < rxr> bad
02:45 < rxr> I take a look
02:47 < mnemoc> i can readd it :) save me with acx100 :p
02:47 < mnemoc> that Makefile is damn hacky
02:48 < rxr> ok - then readd it ...
02:49 < rxr> my work for money is done - I could crawl into bed *g*
02:49 < mnemoc> :)
02:49 < mnemoc> you found all photoshop oddities?
02:50 < rxr> no - reworked the gui, and made screenshots *g*
02:50 < rxr> I tinkered on T2 before ...
02:50 < rxr> and e.g. mol, so I can run osx in parallel more often ...
02:51 < mnemoc> :)
02:51 < rxr> I try to get your kernel module bult intil 3:00
02:51 < rxr> if not I continue tomorrow morning ..
02:51 < rxr> but tomorrow is already filled with PR paper creation for T2
02:51 < rxr> since I need to print those before wed on my shiny new laser printer
02:52 < rxr> since I leave berlin on wed for my mothers birthday and stay there until the cebit
02:52 < CIA-9> amery * r6688 /trunk/package/base/traceroute/ (9 files): * restored traceroute removed on 6638
02:52 < mnemoc> how i color printing with the opensource driver?
02:52 < rxr> only printed once last night
02:52 < rxr> looks ok ...
02:52 < rxr> I
02:52 < rxr> 'll see in the future ... ;-)
02:52 < mnemoc> :)
02:54 < rxr> pi*tumb tells me rastering on my 800Mhz iBook w/ the open source driver is as fast as the closed binary tingy on my XP 2500+ ...
02:54 < CIA-9> amery * r6689 /trunk/package/ (base/traceroute/ network/traceroute/): * moved traceroute to network/ repository
02:54 < rxr> I hope my bootdisk polishing from today
02:55 < mnemoc> i'll install tomorrow a my second beta4 machine with your bootdisk
03:01 < mnemoc> rxr: if you don't finish module thing, commit it and i continue
03:01 < rxr> ouhm
03:01 < mnemoc> I try to get your kernel module bult intil 3:00
03:03 < mnemoc> i guess i'll do nothing, but i can try :)
03:03 < rxr> maybe it is just building
03:03 < rxr> at least it started
03:03 < rxr> finished
03:04 < mnemoc> oh
03:04 < mnemoc> that would be cool
03:04 < rxr> manually
03:05 < rxr> I now need to create the patch and so on ..
03:05 < mnemoc> ic
03:08 < rxr> I now tweak linux24.conf a bit more to support packages liek acx100 for this no core linux binary or modules built ROCKDEBUG_... case ...
03:08 < CIA-9> rene * r6690 /trunk/package/network/acx100/ (configure.patch postlinux.conf):
03:08 < CIA-9> * most probably fixed acx100 to actually build the kernel modules
03:08 < CIA-9> (only halfly tested)
03:11 < rxr> ok - local test build with tweaked linux24.conf running ...
03:11 * rxr preparing to leave into bed ....
03:14 < mnemoc> :)
03:14 < mnemoc> thanks a lot
03:17 < rxr> passed in my test build ... ;-)
03:17 < rxr> == 02/21/05 02:17:20 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26.
03:17 < mnemoc> and the module is built?
03:17 < rxr> yep
03:18 < mnemoc> :D
03:18 < rxr> oh - but it is not yet fully correct
03:18 < CIA-9> rene * r6691 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * added some needed tweaks to the DEBUG_LINUX_SUBMODULES_ONLY code path
03:19 < rxr> the Makefile still makes use of uname somewhere:
03:19 < rxr> ** Compilation finished. Make sure to copy required firmware files to /usr/shar
03:19 < rxr> e/acx/ before proceeding! ***
03:19 < rxr> *** Copying driver modules acx_pci.ko acx_usb.ko to /lib/modules/2.6.9-rock/net.
03:19 < rxr> .. ***
03:19 < rxr> I leave this as an excersie for you ;-)
03:19 < mnemoc> :)
03:19 < rxr> it is most probably just the install target
03:20 < rxr> the actual build looks right
03:20 < rxr> I commit the fix - second
03:22 < rxr> so - mnemoc have to go
03:22 < rxr> cu tomorrow
03:23 < CIA-9> rene * r6692 /trunk/package/network/acx100/postlinux.conf:
03:23 < CIA-9> * most probably fixed the installation of acx100 (into the correct
03:23 < CIA-9> module directory ...) (again untested)
03:24 < mnemoc> cu rene
03:24 < mnemoc> thanks again :)
03:34 < mnemoc> rxr: openvpn-2.0_rc6
03:39 < mnemoc> 16*
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05:54 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
05:54 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Feb 19 18:03:55 2005]
05:54 [Users #t2]
05:54 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ jeru] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] [ rxr_ ]
05:54 [ CIA-9 ] [ ideal ] [ jsaw] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
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10:15 < rxr_> moin
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10:42 < valentin> jsaw: starting a flamewar on rock-devel ?
10:42 < rxr_> valentin: moin
10:42 < valentin> moin
10:42 < rxr_> valentin: can you set the precision for pixel values to 0
10:42 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:43 < valentin> ok
10:43 < valentin> write it in the TODO
10:43 < valentin> i'll continue coding tonight
10:46 < valentin> is it urgent ?
10:46 < valentin> then i'll blind-fix it now
10:46 < rxr> well not that urgent
10:46 < rxr> A. wants that we store the scan setings permanently ...
10:47 < rxr> Error report: Preview image and scanning settings are reset after terminate application
10:47 < rxr> :-(
10:47 < valentin> well, that is not an error ...
10:51 < rxr> yeah - I respond with a long text
10:51 < valentin> we could implement that when they want
10:52 < rxr> I wrote exactly this
10:52 < rxr> with many words tring to avoid it *G*
10:52 < rxr> ehrm
10:52 < rxr> valentiN!
10:52 < rxr> the slider values are not valid after driver load!
10:53 < rxr> brithness and contrast display 100! when they are 0 ... :-(
10:54 < valentin> hm ?
10:54 < valentin> oehm
10:54 < valentin> yep
10:54 < valentin> could be
10:54 < valentin> but ....
10:54 < valentin> hm
10:55 < rxr> but?
10:55 < rxr> this is a big bug ...
10:56 < valentin> but == do not remember that happened here
10:56 < valentin> rxr silently promoting linux ...
11:02 < rxr> btw. you need to add the new icon.png's to your resouces of your project builder file
11:02 < rxr> so they get installed ...
11:03 < valentin> thought so ...
11:11 < rxr> can you fix the initial slider text entry field number display easily?
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11:15 < rxr> otherwise I would need to take are myself ...
11:15 < jeru> moin
11:15 < rxr> moin jeru
11:19 < rxr> we are on golem!
11:19 < rxr> even frontside - not just the OSS section
11:19 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/
11:20 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0502/36425.html
11:21 < rxr> let's see how many hits that generates ;-)
11:23 < valentin> rxr: the fields or sliders ?
11:23 < rxr> the field
11:23 < valentin> aha
11:24 < valentin> so the sliders work ?
11:24 < rxr> the value shown there does not match the slider on startup
11:24 < rxr> e.g. slider is in the mid. == 0 and the field lists 100 ...
11:24 < rxr> at least here ... ;-)
11:24 < valentin> startup == first start or startup == consecutive start ?
11:25 < rxr> at least startup - I double check
11:25 < rxr> firt startup only
11:25 < rxr> (as expected)
11:25 < rxr> or - better any initial startup not the first
11:25 < rxr> but it of course works for closeds enableds
11:26 < valentin> then this may be the "hardcoded" initial value from the .nib ?
11:30 < jeru> rxr: good PR work ;)
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11:33 < rxr> moin mipe
11:33 < mipe> hi rxr
11:39 < mipe> hmm,sun jds livecd came with linux format issue, gotta try it on laptop.
11:39 < mipe> i bet it doesnt work out of the box :)
11:44 < mipe> rxr:do you have time to look over "No 2-gcc.log file" error?
11:46 < rxr> mipe - not really today
11:46 < rxr> but the error is not that 2-gcc.log does not exist, but there was some other error in the buld what lead to abort
11:46 < rxr> we should fix this error message - it is just plain stupid ...
11:47 < mipe> oh so its not just my build?
11:48 < rxr> I meant there was some basic problem before
11:48 < rxr> mabye some wrapper could not be built
11:49 < rxr> chroot does work?
11:49 < rxr> does the basic programs run smoothly ?
11:49 * rxr makign phone calls Microsoft and co ...
11:50 < mipe> yep chroot works
11:50 < rxr> hm - you need to review the log and or the build/$id/TOOLCHAIN/logs/build.log (or so)
11:51 < rxr> what error leads to the boart
11:51 < rxr> abort even
11:51 < mipe> ok,thanks for the tip
11:53 < mipe> build_target_.log? as thats the only one i see and it contains same stuff as i see on screen during build
12:00 < rxr> well - aside contacting M$ is strange they want 299EUR + taxes to fill in a software developer bug report ...
12:01 < mipe> ? you have to pay to give them a bug report? or did i misunderstood?
12:01 < rxr> yes ..
12:02 < rxr> but if it really is a bug (and I think they will take all to say it was not really their bug) one does not need to pay it ... ...
12:02 < rxr> but if e.g. my driver does set one bit wrong which triggers M$ do act strange ... they will make me pay the 346.84 EUR
12:04 < rxr> ok - let's try to trick them
12:04 < mipe> strange....
12:04 < rxr> I download the try version (hoping it will allow scanning)
12:05 < rxr> and report the bug as I have a (test) license product bug and tell them I buy it when it works with my scanner *g*
12:05 < rxr> the problem is I have no license here - just a backtrace from an out-house testee ...
12:06 < rxr> if I would have a new license I could also fill it as app bug in the product ...
12:06 < rxr> however they might only respond in howmany days they like if at all
12:06 < rxr> with this 299EUR+taxes they would cooperate and try to take a look in the next 12 hours or so ...
12:08 < rxr> To install the Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive
12:08 < rxr> Print this page if you want to use it as a reference when you are offline.
12:08 < rxr> Make sure your computer meets the minimum system requirements for the Test Drive.
12:08 < rxr> aha - I would not imagine if not written down ...
12:31 < mipe> hmm,should "file" cmd be after stage 1?
12:36 < rxr> hm?
12:38 < mipe> nvm,during gcc configure zlib runned /usr/bin/file and didnt find it
12:38 < rxr> and it is really not there ?
12:39 < mipe> yep,file.desc says that its build on stage 5
12:40 < rxr> are you sure it is the error leading to abort the build?
12:40 < mipe> nope it doesnt abort the build,i was just wondering about that :)
12:41 < mipe> can architecture/x86-64 force include package glibc32 to build?
12:42 < rxr> it should already be automatically selected
12:42 < rxr> where is it not?
12:42 < mipe> generic
12:42 < rxr> the automatic choose is done by the [R] tag
12:43 < mipe> i added it by custom packages selection,as it was on by default, and i think desktop didnt have it too
12:43 < mipe> *wasnt on*
12:43 < rxr> hm - strange
12:44 < rxr> I need to review later duing a new cross test build
12:44 < rxr> afaics it should automatically be included
13:10 * rxr lunch - cu later
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13:10 < ilia> anybody here?
13:10 < mnemoc> kind of
13:11 < mnemoc> just ask :)
13:11 < ilia> i have a problem downloading from svn
13:11 < ilia> svn co svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
13:11 < ilia> Fetching external item into 't2-trunk/source/utility'
13:11 < ilia> svn: REPORT request failed on '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default'
13:11 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de)
13:11 < mnemoc> oh
13:11 < valentin> ilia: why svn:// ?
13:11 < mnemoc> try http://
13:11 < valentin> what happens with http:// ?
13:11 < ilia> just a second
13:12 < ilia> downloading now
13:17 < valentin> when using svn:// you have to make sure that you are using exactly the same version of svn that is running on our server
13:18 < valentin> otherwise you'll risk to experience 400 Errors or so
13:19 < ilia> i`m using the latest from Debian
13:20 < valentin> latest could be too new :)
13:21 < valentin> download finished ?
13:22 < ilia> the same !
13:22 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de)
13:22 < valentin> .oO
13:23 < ilia> something with my outgoing connection?
13:23 < valentin> where is rxr when one needs him ?
13:23 < valentin> ilia: don't think so
13:23 < valentin> mom
13:23 < ilia> i`ll try the third option - with the port 81
13:24 < valentin> oehm rxr:
13:24 < valentin> root@localhost:/usr/src# ls
13:24 < valentin> . .. ccbench-0.2 linux24-patches linux24benh-patches linux26-patches rock-src rock-src-2.1.0-beta3.tar.bz2
13:24 < valentin> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
13:24 < ilia> the same there. even won`t start
13:24 < valentin> !!!!!!!!!!!
13:25 < valentin> ilia: i'll try from here
13:25 < ilia> something wrong with: '/t2/!svn/vcc/default'?
13:26 < valentin> can you ls your t2-trunk directory ?
13:27 < valentin> btw: svn co worked here
13:27 < valentin> svn, version 1.1.3 (r12730)
13:27 < mipe> svn,version 1.0.6 and works here,running on ubuntu which is debian based
13:29 < ilia> its 1.1.3-1 here
13:29 < ilia> valentin: i`ve just deleted it. I`ll try again
13:30 < valentin> as long as everything else is beeing downloaded correctly you can start playing around
13:30 < valentin> imo you do not need the external utility directory
13:30 < ilia> ilia@debian:~$ svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
13:30 < ilia> svn: REPORT request failed on '/t2/!svn/vcc/default'
13:31 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de)
13:31 < valentin> hm
13:32 < mipe> running on proxy?
13:32 < ilia> maybe
13:32 < ilia> hmm, yes
13:33 < mipe> thats the reason its failing i think
13:33 < ilia> what to do?
13:33 < mipe> valentin,mnemoc,rxr : ?
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13:36 < valentin> i have to be on work at 13:00 localtime today and now it is 13:37
13:36 < valentin> so i have to go
13:37 < mipe> ilia:you need to reconfigure proxy to allow requests to go through it
13:37 < mipe> cya valentin
13:37 < ilia> what to tell to my provider?
13:40 < mipe> that i dont know,actually i'm not sure if its the reason,i hope rxr or mnemoc will come here soon to help solve this
13:47 < ilia> i`ve contacted my provider, he will check
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13:51 < mipe> one thing you could check that your proxy settings,in /etc/subversion/ or in ~/.subversion its in config or server file
13:53 < ilia> ok
13:54 * jeru is back
13:54 < jeru> hi ilia
13:54 < ilia> hi
13:54 < jeru> regarding the proxy problem
13:55 < jeru> its a problem with your proxy server, that I had too
13:55 < jeru> try to you exactcode svn server on port 81 and it should go
13:55 < jeru> I mean: try to use ;)
13:56 < ilia> ok
13:56 < jeru> there is also a small note on the t2-project.org download section, i think
13:56 < ilia> it started, i`ll have to wait
13:57 < jeru> hope this will help ;D
13:59 < mipe> hmm,still this week at school and then for week vacation :)
14:09 < ilia> it failed
14:09 < ilia> again :(
14:10 < jeru> ilia: what message?
14:10 < ilia> Fetching external item into 't2-trunk/source/utility'
14:10 < ilia> svn: REPORT request failed on '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default'
14:10 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de)
14:11 < jeru> yep ... that's 'normal' using if you use port 81
14:11 < jeru> ilia: don't worry, if you downloaded the rest succesfully you should be fine!
14:12 < ilia> ok, thanks
14:12 < mnemoc> re
14:13 < jeru> hi menmoc :)
14:13 < mnemoc> hi jeru
14:13 < jeru> how things are running?
14:14 < mipe> iproute2 needs noparallel flag in here
14:15 < mnemoc> uhm?
14:17 < ilia> which target downloads the minimum of packages?
14:17 < mipe> i have ~87 packages with generic+minimal
14:17 < mipe> but that doesnt come with x
14:18 < ilia> is the router smaller?
14:18 < jeru> ilia: as mipe pointed out generic-minimal should be fine
14:19 < jeru> ilia: the router target is very special ;) and I think do not suite your needs
14:20 < mipe> ilia:or try mnemosyne, you can customise it quite a much to suit your needs
14:20 < ilia> I need the target that downloads the minimum files, for connection speed reasons
14:21 < mnemoc> :D
14:21 < jeru> ilia: mnemosyne is also a good choice, but it replaces sysvinit with runit ... and as mnemoc knows I like it :D
14:21 < mipe> i'd say go for mnemosyne and use expert options to disable packages you dont need
14:21 < ilia> just to test now
14:22 < jeru> mnemoc: btw: had problems yesterday with syne build
14:22 < ilia> i`m downloading now generic + minimal
14:22 < mnemoc> what problems?
14:22 < jeru> mnemoc: had problems installing init files
14:23 < mnemoc> for what package?
14:23 < mnemoc> which*
14:23 < jeru> mnemoc: iproute2
14:24 < jeru> mnemoc: will look for log ;)
14:24 < mnemoc> uhm
14:26 < jeru> mnemoc: but I think the failure is not mnemosyne, because the problem is with the "install_init" function
14:26 < mnemoc> runit's parse-config hack install_init function
14:31 < jeru> mnemoc: log for aborted sysfiles package in stage 1
14:31 < jeru> Installing 'system' init script ...
14:31 < jeru> ===[main_sf:126 (last $?=0)> install_init system /usr/src/t2-trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init
14:32 < mnemoc> next line?
14:32 < jeru> mnemoc: No 1-sysfiles.log file.
14:32 < jeru> --- BUILD ERROR ---
14:34 < mnemoc> can you add set -x/set +x on runit's install_init-s?
14:34 < mnemoc> and an echo on top of that parse-config to see if it is loaded
14:34 < jeru> ack
14:39 < CIA-9> amery * r6693 /trunk/package/xfce4/libexo/ (. libexo.desc): * added libexo (0.2.0)
14:39 < CIA-9> amery * r6694 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-terminal/ (. xfce4-terminal.desc): * added xfce4-terminal (0.2.2)
14:41 < jeru> mnemoc: we have to examine it later ... (at work now ;)
14:43 < jeru> mnemoc: seems that it's just something with my working copy of the target :|
14:45 < mnemoc> :(
14:45 < mnemoc> ping me when you are able to debug it
14:45 < jeru> mnemoc: don't worry :)
14:46 < mnemoc> :)
14:46 < jeru> I'll do a ping
14:46 < jeru> :)
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14:56 < jeru> mnemoc: the problem is definitly in my working copy because I want to integrate minit as an alternative init system, as I told before ;)
14:58 < mnemoc> :)
14:58 < mnemoc> highly welcomed, when you get it working :p
14:58 < CIA-9> amery * r6695 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Added mnemosyne's plugins for Security/vserver (sadly injects VLAN), Desktop/Office/{firefox,thunderbird}
14:58 < jeru> mnemoc: good that at least one is laughing ;)
14:59 < mnemoc> i always laugh, even when i want to cry
15:00 < jeru> I'll try too :)
15:01 < mnemoc> :)
15:07 < mnemoc> OT: what X's mouse option do i need to enable to get the wheel working?
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15:08 * mnemoc installs about 5-6 linux-es per month but only one with 1 per year :\
15:08 < mnemoc> with X per year*
15:09 < jeru> Option "ZaxisMapping" "4 5"
15:09 < mnemoc> thanks
15:09 < jeru> mnemoc: ^ xorg.conf option that works for me
15:09 < jeru> :')
15:09 < mnemoc> smile you dammit
15:10 < jsaw_> re
15:10 < jeru> mnemoc: sure master :)
15:10 < jeru> hi jsaw
15:10 < jsaw_> hi jeru
15:10 < mnemoc> wb jsaw_ :D
15:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: how have you been?
15:11 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc
15:11 < jsaw_> We're all fine. Installed GrandMa (TM) 1.0. So I'm pretty relaxed.
15:12 < jeru> mnemoc: I think you'll need this too for xorg.conf -> Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
15:12 < jsaw_> Steffi comes home tomorrow. When she's back and starts giving commands, you can ask again ;)
15:12 < jeru> :)
15:13 < mnemoc> hehehe
15:13 < mnemoc> three women giving commands, i know that :)
15:13 < jsaw_> yeah...
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15:16 < mnemoc> jsaw: btw, what is "GrandMa (TM) 1.0"?
15:17 < jsaw> Steffi's mother, my mom carries the 2.0 version... :D
15:17 < mnemoc> hehehe
15:31 < CIA-9> amery * r6696 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (3 files): * added mnemosyne's udhcpd init script
15:38 < jeru> mnemoc: wanna add syslog-ng option to syne ... something against placing it into Services as "coice"?
15:39 < jeru> choice
15:39 < mnemoc> instead of socklog?
15:39 < mnemoc> add it on Base, not Service
15:39 < mnemoc> standalone machine also needs it
15:40 < jeru> btw: does socklog network logging ?
15:40 < mnemoc> yep
15:40 < mnemoc> and very reliably
15:40 < jeru> ahh ... :)
15:41 < rxr> re
15:41 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:43 < rxr> hi jsaw and all ;-)
15:43 < jeru> hir rxr
15:54 < rxr> just calling minolta regarding the driver source
15:55 < mnemoc> what happened with the opensource?
15:56 < mnemoc> jeru: your option worked with protocol=auto too :)
15:56 < rxr> works
15:57 < rxr> but i want to make the company aware of the problem
15:58 < mnemoc> :)
15:58 < rxr> wha t linux?
15:58 < rxr> T2
15:58 < rxr> :-)
15:58 < mnemoc> :D
15:59 < mnemoc> rxr: how would you handle [D]'s of postlinux.conf packages when emerging kernel?
15:59 < jeru> have to leave ... cu later
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16:01 < rxr> was quite friendly ...
16:02 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not know yet (regarding the [D]s ...
16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: you got an CRM number and they will call you back some day?
16:03 < rxr> yep
16:04 < rxr> and they now konw t2 as linux distribution ...
16:04 < rxr> "Not RedHat, not suse?"
16:04 < rxr> no
16:04 < rxr> hm - ok ;-)
16:05 < mnemoc> :D
16:05 < mnemoc> rxr still on PR mode :p
16:10 < rxr> nope - in your "expensive laser printer does not work under Linux" ;-)
16:11 < mnemoc> oh
16:12 < CIA-9> amery * r6697 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (3 files): * added mnemosyne's devfsd init script
16:18 < jsaw> okay, have to do some more shopping, cu!
16:19 < mnemoc> cu
16:23 < mnemoc> which are the modules to make alsa looks like oss?
16:34 < CIA-9> amery * r6698 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (devfsd-runit-devfsd_log_run.txt devfsd-runit-devfsd_run.txt): * removed +x from runit's devfsd scripts
16:36 < rxr> snd_pcm_oss
16:36 < rxr> snd_mixer_oss
16:37 < mnemoc> on etc/conf/kernel ?
16:37 < rxr> oehm
16:38 < rxr> should be auto-loaded vi /etc/modules*
16:38 < mnemoc> yes?
16:38 < mnemoc> uhm
16:38 < rxr> or lead it in your /etc/modules *g*
16:38 < mnemoc> hehe
16:38 < rxr> /etc/conf/kernel I meant
16:39 < mnemoc> :)
16:39 < mnemoc> i prefer them on modules.devfsd or modules.conf
16:53 < CIA-9> amery * r6699 /trunk/package/network/udhcp/ (rocknet_udhcp.sh t2-default.script udhcp.conf):
16:53 < CIA-9> * fixed udhcp sysconfdir to be unique
16:53 < CIA-9> * added udhcp simple rocknet module
16:53 < CIA-9> * added udhcp default client script, WIP.
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17:18 < mnemoc> arrrrrg! /me downloading nvidia for ia64 to be able to build his kernel
17:24 < rxr> yeah, ...
17:26 < mnemoc> archdir considered harmfull :|
17:26 < rxr> no
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17:26 < rxr> just the limitatoins of the current framework ...
17:27 < rxr> but we should think about a real solution and not add rock alike work arounds ...
17:28 < mnemoc> i'm replacing archdir with match_source_file when i found it
17:29 < rxr> ah that one
17:29 < rxr> I thought you consider download all [D]s harmful ... ;-)
17:29 < CIA-9> amery * r6700 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/Network/ (5 files): * added mnemosyne DHCP client options: (none,isc,dhcpcd,udhcp) being udhcp the default.
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17:34 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, too.... but conditional [D] may need a per-package helper to work decently
17:34 < mnemoc> or .desc explicit conditionally.... like on $pkg-%
17:35 < rxr> no
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17:36 < rxr> we need a real solution - not a workaround for each corner case
17:38 < mnemoc> 2.2 :)
17:38 < rxr> yep
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17:52 < jeru> re
17:52 < mnemoc> re jeru
17:53 < ilia> how to update a package in the source? just change some lines in it`s config file?
17:53 < jeru> mnemoc: :)
17:54 < mnemoc> ilia: the quick way is : sh mics/archive/Update package version
17:54 < mnemoc> Update.sh
17:54 < mnemoc> that will 'change the lines' for you
17:56 < ilia> i mean I want to help updating the packages, will this work?
17:56 < mnemoc> sure
17:56 < mnemoc> what package needs updating?
17:56 < mnemoc> check if it builds before sending the patch
17:57 < mnemoc> i have about hundred updating pending due to problems building
17:57 < mnemoc> updates*
17:58 < ilia> i just saw that Amarok 1.2 is out
17:58 < ilia> it`s -beta4 in the svn tree
17:59 < mnemoc> update it, build it, send the patch :)
18:00 < mnemoc> ilia: you can use ./scripts/Check-PkgVersion to check for updates too :)
18:00 < ilia> where to send? in the mailing list?
18:01 < mnemoc> yes, with [PATCH] as subject prefix
18:03 < ilia> bye
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18:33 < CIA-9> amery * r6701 /trunk/package/network/udhcp/ (rocknet_udhcp.sh udhcp.conf): * improved udhcp rocknet module to support supervision
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20:28 < rxr> rehi
20:37 < mnemoc> rehi
20:40 < mnemoc> rxr: why did you removed ccache rule on bootdisk's build_stage2?
20:44 < rxr> hm - now that you mention it - it should more likely stay there just to use it during the build ...
20:48 < mnemoc> build_stage2.sh: -cache does that
20:48 < rxr> I know the mechanism ...
20:48 < mnemoc> i know :)
20:48 < mnemoc> but that was what you removed :p
20:49 < rxr> I rmeoved it from the config.in, too - hm?
20:49 < mnemoc> no no.... i had added a rule to not install it, and i pkgsel it X ccache
20:49 < mnemoc> but now the rule on build_stage2 is gone
20:50 < rxr> readdd it to stage2 - I'm sorry
20:51 < CIA-9> amery * r6702 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * updated openvpn (2.0-rc6 -> 2.0_rc16)
20:52 < CIA-9> amery * r6703 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * added checksum for links
20:52 < mnemoc> rxr: how is you avision/osx announcemente going?
20:52 < rxr> I do not do it ..
20:53 < rxr> Avision does it - so no idea ...
20:53 < rxr> I just have to mess with the code ...
20:53 < mnemoc> you do the work and they get the money :)
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21:25 < Postal> hey all
21:25 < Postal> what do you make of this?
21:25 < Postal> libtool: link: cannot find the library `usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la'
21:25 < Postal> make[2]: *** [rsvg-view] Error 1
21:25 < Postal> make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/librsvg-2.8.1'
21:25 < Postal> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
21:25 < Postal> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/librsvg-2.8.1'
21:25 < Postal> make: *** [all] Error 2
21:31 < mnemoc> rxr: where are kernel module on bootdisk now?
21:31 < mnemoc> Postal: do you have libatk-1.0.la there?
21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I removed them all, because they are far to fat
21:33 < rxr> add the ones you need to the initrd ...
21:33 < rxr> of the bootdisk ...
21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you miss? lvm2 or so ?
21:33 < mnemoc> dm
21:33 < rxr> add them to the bootdisk's stage1
21:33 < rxr> that is where they belong
21:33 < rxr> to
21:34 < mnemoc> what's the procedure? hardcoding?
21:34 < rxr> imagine how fat the 2nd stage got on PowerPC with 3 kernel's module subdirs
21:34 < mnemoc> hehe
21:34 < rxr> for now yes
21:34 < rxr> echo_status "Copy scsi and network kernel modules."
21:34 < rxr> build_stage1.sh
21:35 < Postal> rxr, this is for a friend of mine using gentoo, first he got a waiting for unfinished jobs error, but after removing the parallel make, it complains about the same lib... not sure why...
21:35 < mnemoc> Postal: do you have atk1 installed?
21:38 < Postal> mnemoc, he has libtak-1.0.1.so... will that do or dose he need the .a version?
21:39 < mnemoc> the 'devel' split or something like that
21:40 < Postal> mnemoc, yeah, hes got atk
21:41 < mnemoc> is it's .la where libtool want's it?
21:42 < Postal> im not sure what you mean
21:42 < mnemoc> you got an error from libtool
21:42 < Postal> right,
21:42 -!- cyrus82 [~martin@blfd-d9bb9c6d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2
21:42 < cyrus82> hi
21:42 < Postal> im bringing the guy in here.., speak of the devil
21:43 < Postal> mnemoc, meet cyrus82
21:43 < Postal> cyrus82, meet mnemoc
21:43 < Postal> ;-)
21:43 < mnemoc> am i wrong or you are building by hand?
21:43 < mnemoc> o_O
21:43 < mnemoc> hi cyrus82
21:43 < Postal> cyrus82, this is by hand right
21:43 < cyrus82> hi. I get the same error... building with portage, or building by hand
21:43 < mnemoc> try using T2 ;)
21:44 < Postal> mnemoc, be nice
21:44 < cyrus82> http://schwier.cc/librsvg-build
21:44 < Postal> mnemoc, not everyone wants to spend all that time compling everything like you and me
21:45 < mnemoc> people who use gentoo spends more time than we compiling stuff
21:45 < mnemoc> the error is clear, you miss a .la from libatk-1
21:45 < mnemoc> install it, an on /usr prefix
21:46 < cyrus82> no, /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la is right in place
21:46 < Postal> cyrus82, apparently not
21:46 < Postal> ;-
21:46 < cyrus82> but look at the message:
21:46 < cyrus82> libtool: link: cannot find the library `usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la'
21:46 < Postal> mnemoc, i was thinking T2 should have a live cd
21:46 < mnemoc> it misses the heading /
21:47 < cyrus82> there is a missing slash at the beginning of usr
21:47 < cyrus82> yes
21:47 < mnemoc> Postal: we have, but it needs to be re-worked
21:47 < Postal> mnemocn, is there a 64 bit version ;-)
21:47 < mnemoc> Postal: you will build it and share it
21:47 < Postal> lol ok
21:48 < mnemoc> or send me an amd64 and i can give you a livecd back
21:48 < Postal> mnemoc, i am going to denote one of my HD's, just to testing T2
21:48 < mnemoc> :)
21:49 < Postal> mnemoc, couldnt you cross compile a live cd?
21:49 < Postal> mnemoc, why is the missing slash important?
21:49 < mnemoc> without the slash the path is _relative_
21:49 < Postal> relative to what?
21:50 < mnemoc> Postal: i prefer to build native, so send me the hardware
21:50 < Postal> LOL
21:50 < mnemoc> relative to your $PWD
21:50 < mnemoc> brb
21:50 < Postal> send me money and ill send you hardware ;-)
21:51 < Postal> cyrus82, and luck with --prefix=/usr?
21:51 < cyrus82> no
21:51 < Postal> hmmm
21:51 < Postal> rxr, and ideas, your the king of this stuff..
21:52 < mnemoc> pkg-config can be responsable
21:52 < cyrus82> mnemoc: do you know from where libtool gets the path to libatk ?
21:52 < Postal> pkg-config...?
21:52 < Postal> prehaps
21:53 < cyrus82> the entries in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/atk.pc are correct
21:53 < Postal> is pkg-config reporting any errors, due to dependencies?
21:53 < cyrus82> no
21:53 < Postal> hmm
21:53 < Postal> you seem to have quite the problem
21:54 < mnemoc> cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
21:54 < cyrus82> it has anything todo with the lib32/lib64 layout from gentoo
21:54 < mnemoc> no idea about lib32/lib64 layout of gentoo
21:55 < mnemoc> maybe gentoo people knows
21:55 < Postal> cyrus82, i would just set a -emul-linux-x86 USE variable and have a true 64 bit linux
21:55 < Postal> mnemoc, the gentoo people dont seem to know lol... thats the problem..
21:55 < Postal> ;-) i was hoping you might know
21:55 < cyrus82> i don't know if this solves the problem. and i need 32bit application support, too
21:57 < mnemoc> cyrus82: try removing atk and friends and start from zero
21:57 < cyrus82> it's a fresh installation... i don't think this will change the situation
22:00 < Postal> cyrus82, you could always try, it is possible something went wrong..
22:00 < cyrus82> i did it a few times yesterday
22:01 < Postal> well, at some point soon mnemoc will run out of ideas.. then you will be sol
22:03 < Postal> mnemoc, why does it take longer to compile in gentoo than in t2?
22:03 < rxr> Postal: gentoo compiles longer ?
22:04 < Postal> rxr, thats what mnemoc said lol
22:04 < mnemoc> on T2 you build once and install n
22:04 < mnemoc> on Gentoo you build n to install n
22:04 < mnemoc> that's what i mean
22:05 < Postal> rxr, meet cyrus82 the somewhat frustrated gentoo user... cyrus82 meet rxr, the king of patches..
22:05 < Postal> ;-)
22:05 < Postal> mnemoc ok now ic
22:05 < Postal> mnemoc, but gentoo does have a larger repoitory?
22:06 < cyrus82> gentoo has package management
22:06 < mnemoc> we too
22:06 < Postal> cyrus82, so does t2
22:06 < cyrus82> oh, ok
22:06 < Postal> ...t2's is better in my opinion
22:06 < Postal> but thats just me
22:06 < cyrus82> what kind of?
22:07 < mnemoc> what kind of what?
22:07 < Postal> prehaps mnemoc can explain better than I can
22:07 < cyrus82> what kind of package management
22:07 < cyrus82> (how does it work)
22:07 * Postal steps off and hands the mic to mnemoc or rxr
22:07 < mnemoc> we have .gem files (like .rpm) and using `mine` tool you can install, update, list, query or remove them
22:08 < Postal> but its all done from source with minimal patched, so everything that i compiled is optimized for your system
22:08 < mnemoc> you can use `mine` over packages installed as .gem and over files 'emerged'
22:08 < cyrus82> so you have a database which contains all installed packages and files?
22:08 < mnemoc> you can call it a database
22:08 < Postal> lol
22:09 < cyrus82> ah i see. this is a rock linux fork
22:09 < mnemoc> yep
22:09 < Postal> ;-)
22:09 < mnemoc> we use to be part of ROCK
22:10 < cyrus82> but i think you don't have yet a combined 64/32bit enviroment
22:10 < Postal> mnemoc, what gcc version are we using currently..?
22:10 < mnemoc> 3.4.3
22:11 < Postal> so the newest then...
22:11 < mnemoc> cyrus82: i'm not sure but i think rxr finished that work
22:11 * rxr starting to expore 4.0 soon
22:11 < Postal> rxr, did you ever get glibc32 to work?
22:11 < rxr> well - there is a pending patch ...
22:11 < rxr> let me pull it in
22:12 < Postal> lol, does that mean at some point you would like me to test it?
22:12 < mnemoc> Postal: you are free to test whatever you want to test
22:12 < Postal> mnemoc lol
22:12 < mnemoc> :)
22:13 < Postal> mnemoc, do you think it would be better to build a minimal with X and desktop and test there... or to build a generic and fix as we go?
22:13 < mnemoc> generic is fat
22:14 < mnemoc> is you want minimal use generic + a template
22:14 < mnemoc> minimal or minimal+xorg
22:15 < cyrus82> gentoo is fat? gentoo is flexible and in an advanced development state
22:15 < mnemoc> for desktop, desktop target is a good choice
22:15 < mnemoc> cyrus82: when did i say gentoo is fat?
22:16 < cyrus82> oh, you said generic, not gentoo... sorry for that :)
22:17 < CIA-9> rene * r6704 /trunk/package/base/glibc32/ (glibc32.conf make-install-lib-all.patch):
22:17 < CIA-9> mipe<@IRC>:
22:17 < CIA-9> * fixed glibc32 to install all libs
22:18 < Postal> rxr, ill test it tonight, my box is busy for a while
22:18 < rxr> mipe said he still has some issues ...
22:19 < mnemoc> rxr: you need to ask mipe for his mail address
22:19 < rxr> yes
22:19 < rxr> and his full name
22:19 < rxr> but I think he already wrote to the mailing lsit ...
22:19 < rxr> list even
22:19 < Postal> i need to sign up for that
22:19 < rxr> and when he continues hand im write access one day *g*
22:20 < mnemoc> yep :)
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22:24 < Postal> ah well if he could only see the light
22:24 < mnemoc> :)
22:26 < _Ragnar_> :)
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22:28 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_
22:28 < _Ragnar_> hey mnemoc ;)
22:29 < Postal> hi _Ragnar_
22:33 < Postal> mnemoc, so what exactly is wrong with the live cd?
22:33 < rxr> it is not done well and clean
22:33 < mnemoc> Postal: try it, but it's on rene's TODO to re-write it
22:33 < rxr> it does not do hardware and X detectin well enough
22:33 < rxr> it is not comfortable and so on ...
22:33 < rxr> in short it was done my some old-school unix hacker ...
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:34 < Postal> rxr, does it have an estimated completion date?
22:34 < rxr> I plan is to move it on the top of my TODO since it is a necessary feature
22:34 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1?
22:34 < rxr> maybe I even finish it before we label 2.1 -final ...
22:34 < rxr> but i'm not sure yet
22:34 < rxr> the next exams are so early ...
22:35 < mnemoc> it would be very good
22:35 < rxr> maybe it will show up for 2.1.2 or so ...
22:35 < Postal> rxr, do we plan to have x?
22:35 < rxr> it will be done in the next 2 month ...
22:35 < Postal> in the live cd that is?
22:35 < rxr> on the live cd? sure
22:35 < Postal> with prehaps gnome and firefox and xchat?
22:35 < rxr> the current one has, too - just not autoconfiguring
22:36 < rxr> or better only fireing up some non-accelerated vesa or fb one ... :-(
22:36 < rxr> the desktop environment to use will be some option to swith
22:36 < rxr> kde, gnome or xfce ...
22:36 < Postal> If we can put out a good 64bit one ie with X and all that, we might draw ALOT of 64bit users... my vote is for gnome
22:37 < Postal> do we have transset and xcompmanager in the repository?
22:37 < rxr> well - my vote is anything but gnome - so it will be some option - to build on out of t2-gnome-cd t2-kde-cd or t2-xfce-cd ...
22:37 < rxr> xcompmgr yes
22:38 < rxr> I do not think transset
22:38 < rxr> but transset is just some example app
22:38 < Postal> ..?
22:38 < rxr> both recent kde and gnome have it in the window manager to right click context menu and such transparent adjustments ...
22:38 < Postal> yeah, but the patched version is much better...
22:39 < rxr> but transparency is currently only fast either with the nvidia binary driver or the experimental xgl opengl based X server ...
22:39 < Postal> well, i have a nvidia card...
22:39 < Postal> so wouldent i want to use a nvidia binary.. therfore making it fast?
22:39 * rxr avoid binary only stuff like the plague ...
22:39 < _Ragnar_> rxr: not with the ati one?
22:40 < rxr> the ati binary dirver?
22:40 < Postal> wait, why is it not fast with the kernel module?
22:40 < rxr> or the open source one?
22:40 < rxr> what kernel module ?
22:40 < Postal> ie the one that nvidia distributes themselves
22:40 < rxr> yes -that is fast
22:40 < rxr> 22:39 < rxr> but transparency is currently only fast either with the nvidia
22:40 < rxr> binary driver or the experimental xgl opengl based X server ...
22:41 < _Ragnar_> the binary
22:41 < Postal> right, but your saying to avoid the binary that nvidia disributes?
22:41 < Postal> or am i confused?
22:42 < rxr> well - I avoid to get hardware in the house that only runs with binary only stuff
22:42 < rxr> that is no nvidia card here ...
22:42 < Postal> well, as i have nvidia, my best option is still to use it no...
22:43 < rxr> yes sure ,-)
22:43 < Postal> even though its binary?
22:44 < Postal> it is in the repository... the nvidia 64 binary i think... i remember cause i asked you to put it in, ten we could not get it to work due to kernel source problems i think
22:44 < rxr> as it is way faster than the open source driver and does 3D ...
22:44 < rxr> it should compile these days
22:45 < Postal> is it default to enable or i should say include kernel source in t2 distos?
22:45 < mnemoc> at least t2's nvidia ia32 runs perfect
22:46 < mnemoc> default
22:46 < rxr> there is nothing to do to bulit it ... ;-(
22:46 < Postal> cause i remember it not being in /usr/src/when i wanted it
22:46 < rxr> ;-) even
22:46 < mnemoc> Postal: we don't have /usr/src/linux
22:46 < rxr> there is no /usr/src/linux source copy in t2 - all 3rd party kernel stuff is build when you build a kernel
22:47 < Postal> err, well wouldent it be better to include the kernel source in /usr/src?
22:47 < mnemoc> no reason to do it
22:48 < rxr> it just wasts space
22:48 < Postal> other than if i wanted to dl the nvidia binary and build it myself...
22:48 < rxr> one can always extract it when you want to tinker in it
22:48 < rxr> but we see no reason to waste hundreds of MB on any workstation t2 is installed to
22:48 < rxr> and you want to get the 3rd party modules matching to the kernel t2 built anyway
22:48 < Postal> so what your saying is when my kernel is built, the nvidia module should be built also...
22:49 < rxr> so it is a must to build them when the kernel is built
22:49 < mnemoc> Postal: if you update nvidia package, your next build of kernel will include it
22:49 < rxr> Postal: it just works already
22:49 < rxr> all done by t2
22:49 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg linux26 builds it all ...
22:49 < rxr> as does Build-Target when it gets to linux26
22:49 < rxr> or linux24, linux24benh or linux24-psionw ...
22:49 < Postal> so it builds nvidia automaticly with my t2 kernel, so all i have to do is to edit my xorg config file to use it...
22:49 < rxr> yep
22:50 < Postal> thats quite a tick, how did you make it do that?
22:50 < rxr> well - I made some Build-Pkg tweaks to be able to build so named "sub-packages"
22:51 < rxr> this is currently only implemented for the linux packages specefically
22:51 < mnemoc> Postal: that is T2 for, to make the hard parts of creating a distro, easy.
22:51 < rxr> for some later release we will design some real objected oriented package inheritance and extension concept
22:51 < Postal> i assume that the code with these tweaks are viewable, if i wanted to try and pick through them and learn somthing?
22:51 < rxr> but I / we still need to do a lot of research and thinking until we get the blueprint for that
22:51 < rxr> Postal: Build-Pkg and functions
22:52 < mnemoc> Postal: sure, it's inside linux24.conf iirc
22:52 < rxr> in scripts as well as package/base/linu24/linux24.conf
22:52 < mnemoc> ah, that part, yes
22:52 < Postal> and same for 2.6?
22:52 < Postal> rxr, can i not build the 2.4 kernel and not cause problems?
22:52 < mnemoc> linux26 use linux24 configuration
22:52 < Postal> cause i know it builds in stage 1
22:53 < mnemoc> Postal: Config -> Expert -> Package Selection -> '- linux24'
22:53 < Postal> ok then
22:54 < rxr> Postal: look into package/base/linux26/linux26.conf
22:54 < rxr> it just reads s.th. like:
22:54 < rxr> # do the same as linux24:
22:54 < Postal> im using my box to cross compile somethings for a friend right now... when its done, ill hook up my other hard drive and mount it to /mnt/t2
22:54 < rxr> . $base/package/*/linux24/linux24.conf
22:54 < rxr> ;-)
22:54 < mnemoc> Postal: you should try to use T2 on native builds, understand it, and just then start playing with cross-compiles
22:55 < rxr> the other kernels (linux24benh and linux24-psionw do the same)
22:55 < Postal> mnemoc, im not compiling t2 lol
22:55 < Postal> i always compile t2 native
22:55 < Postal> im compiling on Debian
22:57 < mnemoc> you don't compile t2, you compile _with_ T2
22:57 < Postal> well, no, you first have to compile with your host system, then you compile with t2..
22:57 < mnemoc> :)
22:58 < Postal> otherwise, i hope you can crunch alot of number pretty fast in your head ;-)
22:59 < Postal> I have to say though, the more i use apt the more i like it... other than the fact that it is not as bleeding edge as say t2 is..
22:59 < Postal> but as far as binary package managers go it is the best
23:00 < Postal> wouldent you agree?
23:01 < mnemoc> some day we my try to use stuff like apt on T2
23:01 < Postal> but would it work... we are not using binary packages after all, and emerge-pkg, solves deps does it not?
23:02 < rxr> well - not perfectly but it tries ... ;-)
23:02 < mnemoc> you, Postal, create a distro using T2. and you (Postal) are responsable of keeping up-to-date binaries for your distro
23:02 < rxr> valentin is in the deps-ng department
23:03 < Postal> mnemoc right
23:03 < mnemoc> so users of your distro can use apt-get
23:03 < Postal> what might be good, is a gui to interface with the current package system, much like synaptic...
23:04 < rxr> Postal: a gui packaging and build frontend is also on the TODO for 3.0 ;-)
23:04 < Postal> thats a little ways away ;-)
23:04 < mnemoc> we are open to patches if you want to add a GUI packaging and builing fronted
23:04 < mnemoc> front-end
23:04 < Postal> mnemoc, my programming skills are minimal at best
23:05 < mnemoc> our time is minimal too :)
23:05 < Postal> im working to get better at C++ right now.. but its rather a long process im afarid
23:05 < Postal> :-(
23:06 < mnemoc> T2-2.2 will have lot of C++
23:06 < Postal> well then i guess it will be a useful thing to know
23:07 < rxr> 2.2? I thought 3.0 ...
23:07 < jsaw> re
23:07 < mnemoc> :)
23:07 < rxr> hi jsaw !!!
23:07 < jsaw> hi rxr
23:08 < Postal> hey jsaw
23:08 < mnemoc> if jsaw visits us more often, it may be on 2.2 :)
23:08 < jsaw> hi Postal
23:08 < jsaw> y hola mnemoc
23:08 < mnemoc> hola jsaw
23:08 < Postal> como esta jsaw?
23:08 < jsaw> muy bien, gracias
23:09 < mnemoc> *g*
23:09 < jsaw> :D
23:09 < Postal> tu habla espanol mucho o un poco?
23:09 < jsaw> un pocito
23:09 < mnemoc> tu hablas*
23:09 < mnemoc> usted habla*
23:09 < mnemoc> un poquito*
23:10 < jsaw> ......................
23:10 < Postal> me espanol es my malo lol
23:10 < jsaw> lol
23:10 < Postal> just what i learn in school lol
23:10 < mnemoc> s/me/mi/ :)
23:10 < mnemoc> my english is pathetic too
23:10 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFFDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"]
23:10 < mnemoc> i feel like tarzan most of the time
23:11 < Postal> mnemoc, i never knew you spoke spanish?
23:11 < mnemoc> i am Chilean
23:11 < Postal> LOL
23:11 < jsaw> mnemoc is in bug correction mode...
23:11 < mnemoc> :)
23:11 < Postal> lol
23:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: i guess you wanted to know how is it properly written
23:11 < jsaw> yep, thanks!
23:12 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < mnemoc> Postal: without asking google, do you know where Chile is?
23:12 < jsaw> :)
23:12 < rxr> mnemoc: we already had this ;-)
23:12 < Postal> i thought that hablas would be like saying he speaks spanish... and habla was you... tu form..? and yes i do its in south america next to argentina
23:12 < rxr> jsaw: how is life ?
23:13 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
23:14 < jsaw> rxr: my brain is pretty much on standby, waiting for one process to finish (the scheduler, re-calculating time-shares ...)
23:14 < jsaw> otherwise fine, thanks
23:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: ready for the family flood?
23:14 < Postal> ohh ohh, i just got a mini fridge and a hotplate for my room, so now i guess I will never see the sun again
23:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes. Pretty much everything is prepared (thanks to GrandMa (TM) 1.0).
23:15 < jsaw> :)))
23:15 < mnemoc> :)
23:15 < Postal> lol
23:15 < mnemoc> is the second instance of GrandMa present too?
23:16 < jsaw> not yet. She'll appear next week or so. But not for that long. They do not get along that well...
23:16 < mnemoc> tipical
23:16 < Postal> hehe
23:16 < Postal> typical*
23:16 < mnemoc> :p
23:16 < jsaw> *grin*
23:17 < mnemoc> thanks
23:17 < Postal> see, now when i butcher spanish you can correct me just to spite me ;-)
23:17 < mnemoc> Postal: feel free to correct me, i need to improve my english
23:18 < Postal> mnemoc, i think from time to time, i will speak to you in spanish so i can learn it better...
23:18 < Postal> I would actually really like to learn it its the only other language i know and im bad at it lol
23:18 < mnemoc> Postal: you are welcome
23:21 < Postal> mnemoc, by the way, your english is actually very good, most of the time, you speak better than most americans lol
23:21 < mnemoc> rxr: should i add dm to default bootdisk' stage1?
23:21 < mnemoc> Postal: o_O
23:21 < rxr> yes
23:22 < Postal> mnemoc diddnt you already talk about that...?
23:22 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFFDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
23:23 < rxr> hi jsaw
23:23 [Users #t2]
23:23 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ praenti] [ SerWou ]
23:23 [ CIA-9 ] [ jeru ] [ mnemoc] [ Postal] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
23:23 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
23:23 < mnemoc> Postal: no idea, i forget very fast
23:23 < Postal> lol
23:23 < mnemoc> rxr: jeru
23:23 < Postal> lol
23:23 < rxr> yeah - hi jeru
23:23 < rxr> sorry /me hacking mainly right now ...
23:23 < mnemoc> :)
23:23 < rxr> that is tinkering the usb i/o path to harden it ...
23:24 < Postal> rxr, your always tinkering with some kind of usb i/o type of thing
23:24 < jeru> rxr: re hi
23:24 < rxr> Postal: need to get a Mac OSX scanner driver production ready ...
23:25 < Postal> rxr this is your real life job then?
23:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx-cut.tiff
23:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx.tiff
23:25 < jsaw> real life... hehe ... officially he's a student... that's got nothing to do with real life
23:25 < rxr> Postal: nope - just a temporary thing
23:26 < CIA-9> amery * r6705 /trunk/target/bootdisk/build_stage1.sh: * added device-mapper module (dm-mod.ko) to bootdisk's stage1.
23:26 < rxr> Postal: mainly doing linux stuff here ...
23:26 < rxr> but I do the Avision SANE backend for years already ...
23:27 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/avision/
23:28 < CIA-9> amery * r6706 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Console/ (interactivity.all interactivity.ask): * changed mnemosyne's interactivity plugin optional
23:28 < rxr> and now it comes handy for the manufactor when they need a OSX drivekr ... f
23:31 < Postal> ic
23:31 < CIA-9> amery * r6707 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (IMAP.ask MTA.qmail.choice MTA.vmailmgr.choice):
23:31 < CIA-9> * added mnemosyne's IMAP plugin
23:31 < CIA-9> * changed mnemosyne's vmailmgr plugin to not include IMAP and procmail
23:31 < CIA-9> * added mnemosyne's qmail (pure) plugin
23:36 < Postal> oh, if i never have to bootstrap again it will be too soon
23:37 < rxr> su
23:37 < rxr> uhm
23:37 < mnemoc> at least you didn't type your passwd :)
23:37 < Postal> im bootstrapping gentoo onto my 64bit box for my stable distro (t2-64 is kinda still in testing...) and its bloody boring
23:38 < Postal> its been at it for a solid 2 hours, i could have built most of t2, and many of the optional packages by this point lol
23:39 < Postal> it seems to do things, in a very round about way...
23:39 < rxr> mnemoc: yep
23:42 < Postal> after a while of staring at compiler output, you start to see little patterns in the text :-)
23:46 < Postal> WHOO its done YEAY
23:47 * Postal dances around room
23:47 < mnemoc> o_O
23:48 * mnemoc hates to move backups
23:49 < Postal> ok, now only 70 packages to emerge, a kernel to compile, and a bunch of system critical scripts to write by hand... then i can log in to compile X and gnome lol
23:50 < mnemoc> lot of fun
23:51 < mnemoc> great usage of the time
23:52 < Postal> yeah.. not lol
23:53 < Postal> gentoo pisses me off, but once its installed, it is very good
23:54 < mnemoc> thanks god it is, imagine all those men hours invested to get something bad
23:54 < Postal> lol, its a nice stable, pure 64bit optimized enviroment, from which to start from
23:55 < Postal> i would use debian but they use xfree86
23:55 < rxr> well - they have 32bit stuff in it, too
23:55 < rxr> and stkrangely donea
23:55 < mnemoc> .oO
23:55 < rxr> some /emul/linux-i386 s.th. hackery
23:55 < Postal> rxr, they dont when i set the USE option to weed it out
23:55 < rxr> and then you have no grub or what ?
23:55 < rxr> grub in it's current version required to be compiled 32bit ...
23:55 < Postal> -emul-linux-x86... they figured out a way to fix it i suppose
23:56 < mnemoc> o_O
23:56 < Postal> all i know is that USE=" -emul-linux-x86" means no x86 at all
23:56 < Postal> no 32 bit
23:57 < Postal> prehaps we should take a look at there grub patch files
23:58 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if i want an emulated ia32
23:58 < rxr> it is not emualted
23:58 < rxr> x86-64 can run them just fine
23:58 < mnemoc> USE=" -emul-linux-x86"
23:58 < rxr> sometimes the performance is even a few % points higher
23:59 < mnemoc> nice :)
23:59 < rxr> it is like vm86 mode on i386 - just without less hackery ...
23:59 < rxr> x86-64 windows even ships with most stuff 32bit and what is 64bit also as 32bit version since the 64bit directx does not work with 32bit games and the 64bit IE doesnot run 32bit activeX crap ...
23:59 < rxr> windows 64 is full of ugly stuff
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