T2 IRC Log: 2005-02-19

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--- Log opened Sat Feb 19 00:00:29 2005
00:01 < rxr> http://www.sylviastuurman.nl/stories/spanje2000/dag14/serpentine.jpg
00:01 < rxr> thats cool
00:05 * mnemoc will have to way for a X or gpm to see that
00:11 < rxr> announcement sent
00:11 < mnemoc> :D
00:12 < rxr> so mnemoc - do not touch the -beta3 tag anymore *g*
00:13 < rxr> damn I have a headache ..
00:13 < mnemoc> did you tar-ed it?
00:15 < rxr> just on the way
00:15 < rxr> I could do the freshmeat announcement tomorrow ..
00:15 < rxr> so that it first hits distrowatch and freshmeat with some delay ...
00:15 < rxr> or do you desperatly wanna do it
00:15 < mnemoc> good idea
00:15 < mnemoc> no, i'm not desparated
00:17 < _Ragnar_> hm where does cpu_set_t come from?
00:18 < _Ragnar_> oh, IC
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00:26 < mnemoc> rxr: you said nothing about the new features on the announcement
00:26 < mipe> finally libc installs, but still the no 1-glibc32.log file
00:26 < mipe> error
00:26 < rxr> ok - /me in bed
00:27 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - must be my headache ..
00:27 < CIA-9> rene * r6654 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:27 < CIA-9> * merged r6622, r6625 and r6636 from tags/2.1.0-beta3 into trunk:
00:27 < CIA-9> * fixed bootdisk/build_stage1.sh to detect the module directory and
00:27 < CIA-9> * not just use the version (might differ like e.g. in linux24benh)
00:27 < CIA-9> * cleaned status output on-the-way
00:27 < CIA-9> * converted bootdisk/powerpc to dynamic boot loader creation
00:27 < CIA-9> including all kernels available (not only this historic ugly
00:27 < mnemoc> rxr: i think we must change the iso structure
00:27 < CIA-9> ragnar * r6655 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc-300-force-visibility.patch:
00:27 < CIA-9> * force libgcc to always hide its symbols to avoid double definitions
00:27 < CIA-9> regarding stackguard and others, especially when cross-compiling or
00:27 < CIA-9> using uclibc.
00:28 < mnemoc> rxr: we must be able to have two builds of the same target on a single disk
00:28 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: was SSP problem due to visibility?
00:28 < _Ragnar_> some at least
00:33 < rxr> fixed ccache support to work reliable
00:33 < rxr> bash3 was fixed significantly
00:33 < rxr> improved uclibc support significantly
00:33 < rxr> improved x86-64 and sparc64 support
00:33 < rxr> varius bootdisk creation and layout improvements
00:33 < rxr> added tools vor Atmel AVR embedded development
00:33 < rxr> added wide ncurses
00:33 < rxr> added (real) nvidia binary driver support
00:33 < rxr> ^- mnemoc anything else for the sumamry ?
00:35 < mnemoc> uclibc change is more than significantly :)
00:35 < mnemoc> now it is supported, and never was before
00:36 * mnemoc is happy to see stone running flawless over the new dialog
00:36 < mnemoc> office is closing
00:36 * mnemoc moving home
00:37 < _Ragnar_> ttyl :)
00:39 < mnemoc> :)
00:43 < rxr> ok - ANNOUNCEMENT add-on sent
00:43 < rxr> n8 all
00:46 < _Ragnar_> gn8
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01:35 < mnemoc> re
01:36 < _Ragnar_> re
01:40 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_
01:49 < CIA-9> amery * r6656 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init: * added inittime lvm2 support to current lvm1 support
02:03 < mnemoc> rxr: /usr/share/i18n/locales/gez_ER:title "Ge'ez language locale for Eritrea." <---- the single quote breaks our parser
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03:25 < CIA-9> amery * r6657 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_general.sh: * reworked `stone general` -> 'locale' to align properly and honor single quotes on title
03:25 < mnemoc> rxr: awk code droped, long life to sed. r6657
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05:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
05:53 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
05:53 [Users #t2]
05:53 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] [ rxr_ ]
05:53 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
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10:09 < mipe> glibc is nightmare to get build,install target runs just fine,but just to get libs installed is another problem :(
10:16 < rxr_> moin
10:16 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:17 < mipe> good morning :)
10:17 < rxr> mipe: glibc install-lib really worked for me ...
10:18 < mipe> rxr:i'll try it again, last time i didnt get libc.so files
10:46 < mipe> rxr:nope it doesnt install libc and thats why it fails to build as postmake(or so) wants to use it, but by adding /usr/lib/libc.so and /usr/lib/libc-2.3.4.so to makeinstopt it install them but it fails otherwise(have to recheck the error on that)
10:47 < rxr> hm
10:48 < mipe> i think changelog says that libc*.so isnt in install-lib target anymore
10:49 < rxr> ouch
10:49 < rxr> strange
10:49 < rxr> and does changelog say how to just instsall that one ?
10:49 < mipe> nope :(
10:49 < mipe> atleast i didnt notice any
10:50 < rxr> the libc should have another path+
10:50 < rxr> what happes for:
10:50 < rxr> /lib/libc.so and /lib/libc-2.3.4.so?
10:50 < mipe> it installs them there
10:51 < rxr> in other words it works?
10:51 < mipe> fails on other thing,have to recheck the error
10:53 < mipe> but i'll check it on hour or so,have to stop by at store
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11:14 < rxr> freshmeat submitted ..
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11:31 < jeru> moin :)
11:34 < rxr> moin jeru
11:35 < jeru> rxr: hi, how is your new 'laser toy' ?
11:36 < rxr> well - ovelooked that it does not support PostScript ...
11:36 < rxr> I read it on some site and did not bothered further ...
11:36 < rxr> so I have some rastertokm2430dl i386 binary from the redhat RPM on the CD which wassts big amounts of CPU time on my Athlon for pre-rasterization ... :-(((
11:36 < rxr> and the LCD is hard to read
11:37 < rxr> the website claims it has a backlight - but I see none ...
11:37 < jeru> hmm ... :(
11:37 < rxr> the good: the printouts look great ...
11:38 < jeru> :)
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11:47 < rxr> cu
11:54 < jeru> yep :)
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13:05 < rxr> so
13:05 < rxr> we are on http://freshmeat.net/
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14:11 < mnemoc> moin!
14:11 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
14:11 < mnemoc> hi jeru
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14:24 < mnemoc> rxr: chilean mirror updated, if you want to publish the auxiliar download location
14:31 < mipe> yay,glibc32 fixed :)
14:31 < mnemoc> how?
14:33 < mipe> made new make target that installs all libs,install-lib didnt install libc*.*
14:33 < mipe> bad hack :(
14:35 < rxr> mipe: may you publish the patch?
14:36 < mipe> yep its at http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/glibc32/
14:36 < mnemoc> hi rxr
14:36 < mipe> but i guess you dont want that kind of patches to go trunk
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: schedutils and libelf on bootdisk are there for buildtime or also for runtime?
14:54 < CIA-9> amery * r6658 /trunk/target/bootdisk/build_stage2.sh: * added install rules for bootdisk, install lvm2 and device-mapper too, and ignore ccache, libelf and schedutils.
14:55 < CIA-9> amery * r6659 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Console/X_basic_desires.ask: * fixed mnemosyne's X_basic_desires to not include gtk1's xscreensaver
15:18 < mnemoc> jeru: vlan got it's own option on mnemosyne
15:18 < mnemoc> jeru: do you think i should add arputils there?
15:18 < CIA-9> amery * r6660 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/Network/ (bridge.ask director.ask vlan.ask): * added director and vlan plugin for mnemosyne
15:19 < CIA-9> amery * r6661 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/Network/ (DHCPD.isc.choice DHCPD.none.choice DHCPD.udhcp.choice): * Added DHCPD (none,udhcp,isc) plugin for mnemosyne
15:27 < rxr> re
15:28 < rxr> mnemoc: libelf for buildtime - l or strace
15:28 < rxr> schedutils accidently
15:28 < rxr> I think both should be removed ....
15:29 < rxr> mipe: thanks /me reviewing
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15:41 < rxr> 1057 builds total, 1025 completed fine, 32 with errors.
15:41 < rxr> Error logs from system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-athlon-desktop:
15:42 < rxr> error 1: cannot open include file 'clip-gtk.ch': No such file or directory
15:43 < mnemoc> uhm
15:43 < rxr> xmp also has a strage error
15:44 < mnemoc> i'll publish my list considering updates
15:44 < mnemoc> and you tell me what broken2broken update to commit
15:47 < rxr> desktop has those:
15:47 < rxr> [5] e17/efsd [5] e17/entrance
15:47 < rxr> [5] kde/kdeartwork [5] kde/kdeedu
15:47 < rxr> [5] graphic/pixieplus [5] kde/superkaramba
15:47 < rxr> [5] gnome14/gal01 [5] gnome14/gtkhtml10
15:47 < rxr> [5] audio/xmp [5] kde/k3b
15:47 < rxr> [5] network/ppp [5] textproc/latex2html
15:47 < rxr> [5] multimedia/nvrec [5] multimedia/dvdrip
15:47 < rxr> [5] perl/mysql-perl [5] perl/perl-dbd-postgresq
15:47 < rxr> [5] audio/vstserver [5] graphic/xpdf
15:47 < rxr> [5] multimedia/kaxtv [5] multimedia/avview
15:47 < rxr> [5] audio/ladspa-vst [5] audio/audacity
15:47 < rxr> [5] develop/mono-xsp [5] filesystem/nfs-utils
15:47 < rxr> [5] develop/clip [5] multimedia/vls
15:47 < rxr> [5] multimedia/ggrab [5] gnome14/gnucash
15:47 < rxr> [5] develop/mono-develop [5] develop/ocs
15:47 < rxr> [5] filesystem/qtparted [5] audio/rezound
15:48 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/update.list
15:48 < mnemoc> can you give me ppp and mono-xsp?
15:48 < mnemoc> mono-develop needs gtkmozembed-sharp and gtkviewsource-sharp
15:50 < rxr> `/TOOLCHAIN/package/network/ppp/ip-up' -> `/etc/ppp/ip-up'
15:50 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/ppp/ip-up': No such file or directory
15:50 * rxr fixinf that
15:50 < mnemoc> mkdir -p :)
15:52 < CIA-9> rene * r6662 /trunk/package/network/ppp/ppp.conf: * fixed ppp to create the sysconfdir before copying files into it
15:52 * mnemoc imagines a web system to see packages, propose updates, comment and attach build logs
15:52 < rxr> I plan to setup the regressions tracker some time soon
15:56 < mipe> damm,packages install 64bit libs to /lib and not /lib64
15:57 < rxr> mipe: yes - this is true and not easy to change
15:57 < rxr> just leave it so
15:57 < rxr> if you want to change this in the future you will have to do a lot of work to migrate to real lib vs. lib64 seperation
15:58 < mnemoc> ln -s /lib /lib64 ?
15:58 < rxr> nope
15:58 < rxr> lib64 carries the 64bit system libraries from glibc and gcc ...
15:58 < rxr> and lib the ones for 32bit
15:58 < rxr> and lib is the home for all the normal libraries ...
15:58 < mnemoc> i thought /lib was kernel-bitage libraries
15:58 < rxr> nope
15:58 < mipe> might be easier to put 64bit to /lib and 32bit to /lib32?
15:59 < rxr> no no no
15:59 < mnemoc> mipe: that's what i thought
15:59 < rxr> this is incompatible with the other linux distributions and you need to patch gcc for that ...
15:59 < rxr> and we cou
15:59 < rxr> would vilotate LSB and co
15:59 < rxr> they specify /lib64 ...
16:00 < mipe> ah then just leave /lib to have both? well for now
16:00 < mipe> i mean mixed with 32 and 64
16:00 < rxr> yes
16:00 < rxr> if you want 64bit libs in lib64 you need to patch big amounts of packages ....
16:01 < rxr> as well as add a few conditionas to the t2 build scripts
16:01 < rxr> but so far i think no other distribution does this.
16:02 < mipe> hmm,bash got linked with 32bit libs :( atleast its ldd bin/bash points to 32bit one
16:02 < mnemoc> LSB also wants /media and /srv
16:03 < rxr> but when gcc and glibc are hacked to do this nonsense it is hard to oppose ...
16:03 < rxr> hoever just ignoreing /media and /srv is way easier
16:03 < rxr> mipe: ouhm ...
16:04 < rxr> maybe the ldd output is not correct ...
16:04 < rxr> e.g. check what file tells (32 or 64 bit)
16:05 < mipe> file bin/bash says 64 and file lib/libc-2.3.4.so tells 32bit
16:05 < mipe> thats why i cant get to chroot to it and get past stage 1
16:06 < rxr> maybe just your ldd is buggy
16:06 < rxr> wait what happens later in the build
16:06 < rxr> a 64bit library can not be linked to a 32 bit one ...
16:09 < mipe> ah,ldd bin/bash, version 'GLIBC_2.3.4' not found on libc line
16:10 < mnemoc> http://www.perfdynamics.com/CMG/CMGslides4up.pdf nice
16:15 < CIA-9> amery * r6663 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (4 files): * changed mnemosyne' SMB plugin to choose between none, samba and samba-ldap.
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16:27 < rxr> oehm
16:27 < rxr> from gsmp.tfh-berlin.de 41GB got downloaded today ...
16:28 < mnemoc> today??!
16:28 < mnemoc> [075] - SourceSafe for Unix 0.3 <--- wtf?
16:28 < rxr> ?
16:28 < rxr> yes - today
16:29 < mnemoc> where are the ISOs? there?
16:29 < rxr> yep
16:30 < mnemoc> that explains :)
16:30 < rxr> yep
16:30 < mnemoc> isn't sourcesafe owned by MS?
16:30 < rxr> yes
16:30 < rxr> where did you saw that release
16:30 < mnemoc> freshmeat daily report
16:31 < mnemoc> http://freshmeat.net/projects/ssu/
16:32 < rxr> hm
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: [O] source package/*/*/xfce-4.conf <-- what do you thing of having this as [O]
16:48 < rxr> I think too much stuff as [O] tags is harmful
16:49 < mnemoc> one line
16:49 < rxr> and that we should discuss some more generic package derive, inheritance, split and fork concept for the future ....
16:50 < mnemoc> so you consider i should keep that on .conf even if it is the only line there and that shows 'inheritance' which is a .desc concept?
16:51 < mnemoc> (for 2.1)
16:52 < CIA-9> amery * r6664 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-panelmenu/ (. xfce4-panelmenu.desc): * added xfce4-panelmenu (0.1.0)
16:54 < mnemoc> grep -c '^\[O\]' package/*/*/*.desc | sort -t: -n
16:57 < mnemoc> grep -c '^\[O\]' package/*/*/*.desc | sort -t ':' -nr -k 2 <--- this better :p
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17:03 < mnemoc> rxr: package/network/slidentd/slidentd.desc <--- this kind of [O]s is harmfull
17:17 < mnemoc> rxr: does mine install not-updated-packages from the list of .gem?
17:19 < rxr> hat ?
17:19 < rxr> what even?
17:20 < mnemoc> if i mine -i *.gem
17:20 < mnemoc> will it re-install packages with the same checksum?
17:21 < rxr> that will only install files when the old file was not altered ...
17:22 < rxr> like Build-Pkg -update
17:22 < rxr> only -f disables the previous file check and always deploy the new file
17:22 < rxr> IIRC mine works on a per file basis - no using whole package checks ...
17:23 < mnemoc> ic
17:30 < CIA-9> amery * r6665 /trunk/package/xfce4/ (47 files in 23 dirs): * cleaned up all xfce4 .conf files
17:52 < mnemoc> .oO( i should have backed up my x config :(
17:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: we (i) want pictures
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17:59 < mnemoc> hi ilia
17:59 < ilia> hi
17:59 < ilia> i need to speak with one of the T2 developers
18:00 < mnemoc> i am one, what do you need?
18:01 * rxr around, too
18:01 < mnemoc> mr. core architect is present, cool :)
18:02 < ilia> I`m the developer of the first Bulgarian Linux distribution and I`ve just found T2. I think I`ll move to T2 but I need to know if the liveCD version has hardware autodetection
18:02 < mipe> any tips for the bash stuff?
18:02 < rxr> ilia: yes - basic
18:03 < rxr> the live cd is not yet that perfect - but it is on our TODO anyway
18:03 < mnemoc> mipe: what do you mean?
18:03 < rxr> our ROCK Plug is an excellent hotplug replacement working very well for the auto detection
18:03 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
18:03 < mipe> mnemoc:i cant get to stage 2 because it cant chroot...
18:04 < ilia> But will it find the hardware that Knoppix finds?
18:04 < mnemoc> mipe: what ldd thinks about?
18:05 < rxr> ilia: t2 is not knoppix based, so it will differ
18:05 < mipe> mnemoc:and ldd bin/bash has lib/libc* which is 32bit,and in this case that isnt good
18:05 < ilia> Yes, I know.
18:05 < rxr> but the LiveCD is a big TODO point here anyway - so you get big support here to make it actually work as well as the knoppix one
18:06 < ilia> I could help porting some of the Knoppix stuff
18:06 < mnemoc> ilia: you can start makeing your distribution hd-based and easily move it to livecd when it gets re-worked
18:07 < ilia> Where can I get more info on the installer for the hd-based version?
18:08 < mnemoc> our installer in that case is _very_ simple, bootdisk target + stone install, where stone is our configuration software
18:09 < mnemoc> we plan to add fancy stuff but not yet done
18:09 < ilia> Does T2 have anything in common (code, architecture) with Gentoo?
18:10 < rxr> nope
18:10 < mnemoc> absolutly nothing :)
18:11 < ilia> I cound help with: porting stuff from Knoppix, ideas, bulgarian translations... things like this
18:12 < mnemoc> you are welcome
18:12 < mnemoc> this channel is were everything happens, and don't forget to join our mail lists
18:13 < mnemoc> every problem or doubt just ask
18:13 < ilia> i`ve joined the mailing lists
18:15 < mnemoc> good :)
18:19 < rxr> ilia: what do you currently use as base for your distribution ?
18:20 < ilia> Knoppix
18:20 < ilia> it has some update problems and the installer is buggy. That`s why I want to move on T2
18:21 < rxr> ic
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18:21 < rxr> I guess you need some graphical installer than?
18:21 < mnemoc> hi Geert :)
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18:24 < ilia> I could make one :)
18:25 < ilia> I`ve started a project for a new installer ,I`ll just "port" it
18:27 <@rxr> ilia: in which language and gui ?
18:27 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by mnemoc
18:29 < ilia> bulgarian, with kommander
18:29 < ilia> It`s not working yet :(
18:30 < mnemoc> we have not yet added multi-language support on our tools, but we really want to have it
18:31 < ilia> what do you need?
18:32 < mnemoc> start using T2 and you will notice :)
18:35 < ilia> can I use the T2 scripts from Debian or I have to install it?
18:36 <@rxr> building on debian should be fine
18:38 < mnemoc> ilia: we suggest you to play over a checkout of t2's trunk
18:42 < ilia> ok
18:44 < ilia> which target is the smallest?
18:45 < mnemoc> i would suggest you my mnemosyne, but i use runit instead of sysvinit what may confuse you
18:45 < mnemoc> use generic with minimal templace
18:45 < mnemoc> template
18:45 <@rxr> mnemosyne is very custom
18:45 < mnemoc> choose template on the expert zone
18:45 < mnemoc> rxr: yep
18:45 <@rxr> a minimal or minimal+xorg package preselection with generic should offer a good introduction
18:49 * mnemoc has mnemosyne (t2-beta4) desktop (xfce4) running as a charm on his laptop :)
18:53 < ilia> have to go now
18:53 < ilia> I`m downloading the minimal files, I`ll report tomorrow
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18:55 < mipe> hmm,bash looks for ncurses in lib64 while they are in lib
18:55 < mipe> thats why no chroot
18:56 < mipe> working
18:59 < mipe> and fixed
19:00 < mnemoc> :)
19:00 * mnemoc moving home to lunch, bbl
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19:20 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:20 <@rxr> I have a fixed Create-ISO in the queue that does calculate the utilized space more precisely ...
19:20 <@rxr> moin _Ragnar_
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19:36 < CIA-9> rene * r6666 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO:
19:36 < CIA-9> * improved Create-ISO to calculate the ISO size more precisely by also
19:36 < CIA-9> considering the file "inode" size. The default is 1kB and 12kB for
19:36 < CIA-9> HFS hybrid images - fixes oversized images on PowerPC.
19:37 < CIA-9> rene * r6667 /trunk/target/bootdisk/powerpc/build.sh: * relete more (currently) unused files on PowerPC
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20:27 < CIA-9> rene * r6668 /trunk/package/develop/boost/boost.conf: * decustmained boost (not fully tested)
20:40 < CIA-9> valentin * r6669 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/ (. asymptote.desc): * added asymptote (v0.63)
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21:45 < mipe> damm,tools doesnt build :(
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22:03 < mnemoc> rehi
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22:28 <@rxr> re
22:28 < mnemoc> welcome back operator
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22:29 < mnemoc> hey ChanServ!
22:29 < mnemoc> return him his power!
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22:29 < mnemoc> good boy
22:30 <@rxr> ,-)
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22:32 <@rxr> www.t2-project.org alone of courase ...
22:32 < mnemoc> >(
22:32 < mnemoc> .oO( what was that face )o
22:33 <@rxr> hehe ,-)
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: how can i grant permanent permissions to my X to localhost?
22:33 <@rxr> xhost + localhost
22:34 <@rxr> if permanent then place it into the .xinitrc (for example)
22:34 < mnemoc> thanks
22:35 <@rxr> no problem
22:35 <@rxr> today we (valentin and I) talked about a possible real logo and came across the boost logo competition:
22:36 <@rxr> http://www.boost.org/more/logo_contest.htm
22:36 <@rxr> some might be a good base for a real t2 logo
22:37 < mnemoc> i don't have much hope on that, but yes. we need a real logo
22:38 <@rxr> much hope on what ?
22:38 < mnemoc> on we geting a logo with a competition
22:39 <@rxr> well - no competition
22:39 <@rxr> just get inspiration from those logos ..
22:39 <@rxr> we need some real / better logo until the CeBIT
22:39 <@rxr> I want to have that on the 1000 (?) papers I will print ...
22:41 <@rxr> favourites: 21 29 35 38/39 67 49 (already like the exactcode one :-) 75 60 something alike the 63-73 ones
22:42 <@rxr> mnemoc: could you scroll over the boost competion and compare with the no. I posted?
22:43 * mnemoc building firefox
22:43 <@rxr> .oO
22:43 <@rxr> that takes ages ..
22:44 < mnemoc> links -g http://www.boost.org/more/logo_contest.htm
22:46 < mnemoc> are the asorted there too>
22:46 < mnemoc> ?
22:47 < mnemoc> 75 looks a bit 'winxp'
22:53 < mnemoc> i can't imagine them as T2 logos :\
22:55 <@rxr> well - of course reworked ...
22:56 <@rxr> not a 1:1 copy ...
22:56 <@rxr> just as conceptional base ...
22:56 <@rxr> to insert T2 SDE and approriate graphics ...
22:56 < mnemoc> we have just two letters
22:56 < mnemoc> 5
22:56 <@rxr> 4 letters 1 no.
22:56 < mnemoc> yes yes
22:56 < mnemoc> characters
22:57 < mnemoc> i would like to include both 'build' and 'distributable' concepts
22:57 < mnemoc> something like what boost people do with the pill
23:02 <@rxr> mnemoc: could you throw this icon into the wiki:
23:02 <@rxr> http://distrowatch.com/images/icon-large/t2.png
23:02 <@rxr> it is better anti-aliased then the one you inserted
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23:04 < mnemoc> ok
23:05 <@rxr> although slightly smaller
23:05 <@rxr> but I can prepare an own version if you think the distrowatch one is too small ...
23:07 < mnemoc> ehm
23:07 < mnemoc> take a look
23:07 < mnemoc> .oO( i should have backed up the old )o
23:12 <@rxr> hm - still bad
23:13 <@rxr> even worth I think I know why
23:13 <@rxr> scaling in the browser due to width and height tags ?
23:13 <@rxr> strange
23:13 <@rxr> no - no wdith height
23:14 < mnemoc> .css
23:15 <@rxr>
23:15 <@rxr> #logo_pane img {
23:15 <@rxr> width: 90px;
23:15 <@rxr> }
23:15 <@rxr> http://wiki.t2-project.org/theme/klassik/css/kwiki.css
23:15 <@rxr> I hand you a matching logo - second
23:17 <@rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-medium.png
23:17 <@rxr> exported from the original .svg
23:17 < mnemoc> >(
23:17 < mnemoc> err
23:17 < mnemoc> i must set the kb correnctly
23:17 < mnemoc> :)
23:19 < mnemoc> updated
23:23 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/ informed about the release ...
23:23 <@rxr> erhnm
23:23 <@rxr> http://www.golem.de/
23:23 <@rxr> damn cutn't paste sometimes ...
23:26 <@rxr> preparing osnews.com also
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23:31 < mnemoc> Finished downloading 367613 bytes in 7.106 seconds (51730.000 bytes/sec).
23:31 < mnemoc> bzip'ing gzip file + cksum-test: download/mirror/a/asymptote-0.63.tar.gz
23:31 < mnemoc> Segmentation fault
23:32 <@rxr> ouhm
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