--- Log opened Wed Feb 02 00:00:47 2005
00:16 < rxr> haha *lol*
00:16 < mnemoc> uhm?
00:16 < rxr> just noticed xmore due to X.org CVS commit messages
00:16 < mnemoc> paste
00:16 < mnemoc> :)
00:17 < rxr> as well as I only noticed xmh due to the official X books I have in the self
00:17 < rxr> one day I noticed "xmh" is "part" of the "standard" and felt to the floor laughing ...
00:18 < mnemoc> X server package should not include all that 'standard' crap
00:19 < rxr> soon it will become modularized ...
00:19 < rxr> until then we should not waste energy spliting that o
00:19 < rxr> up ourself ...
00:20 < mnemoc> xorg will be officially splited?
00:20 < mnemoc> uhm.... office closing.... bbl (from home)
00:20 < rxr> yes
00:21 < rxr> cu
00:23 < CIA-8> rene * r5915 /trunk/package/arm/linux24-psionw/ (6 files): * linux24-psionw should be mostly ready now ...
00:25 < rxr> maybe I can boot my PDA into a T2 tomorrow ... ;-)
00:27 < rxr> damn sparc U30 hardware frooze again :-( damn ...
00:27 < rxr> n8 all
00:27 < rxr> cu
00:33 < CIA-8> rene * r5916 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: 
00:33 < CIA-8> * only try to build the kernel modules and 3rd party stuff if module
00:33 < CIA-8>  support is actually enabled ...
01:08 < mnemoc> re
01:13 < mnemoc> rxr: 1-dietlibc fails on a pure r5914/bootdisk as before
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08:30 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
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08:30 < rxr> re
08:30 < rxr> stange internet these days ...
08:30 < rxr> Error logs from install-2.1.0-beta3-powerpc-powerpc-bootdisk:
08:30 < rxr> 164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
08:37 < CIA-8> rene * r5918 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (dietlibc.conf link-h.patch): * cleanup of stub link.h injection
08:38 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/02/02/0420241.shtml
08:38 < rxr> ^- and /wonder/ the famour ROCK livecd is not included ...
08:48 < CIA-8> rene * r5919 /trunk/target/psion-pda/ (config.in kernel.conf): 
08:48 < CIA-8> * added 00-dirtree to the psion-pda target, disabled a.out support
08:48 < CIA-8>  and enabled devfs in the kernel
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09:05 < rxr> .oO
09:05 < rxr> why the /h*ll/ is nvi 1914187 in size ?!?!
09:06 < rxr> oh - was not stripped ... still 397760
09:09 < jsaw> re
09:09 < rxr> moin!
09:09 < jsaw> g'morning rxr!
09:10 < rxr> how are you ?
09:10 < jsaw> fine, thanks!
09:10 < jsaw> but somehow tired.
09:11 < jsaw> fell asleep on the coach in my daughters room around 9pm and woke up around 3am - freezing :)
09:11 < jsaw> 'n you?
09:11 < rxr> oh - fine as well ...
09:12 < rxr> just that I tinkered slightly too long on my long on the TODO pet PDA proof of concept project 
09:12 < rxr> and should start getting breakfast insteaf of hacking with dietlibc ...
09:12 < rxr> but all fine ,)
09:13 < jsaw> http://www.physorg.com/news2899.html
09:14 < jsaw> 10Mb/s up/down in HK for 20$ a month... guess germany will see this technique around 2100?
09:20 < rxr> mnemoc: found a bug in my diet hostlibc hackery ...
09:24 < rxr> == 02/02/05 09:24:11 =[1]=> Finished building package gzip.
09:25 < rxr> build/default-2.1.0-beta4-arm-arm710-cross-psion-pda-expert/bin/gzip: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), statically linked, stripped
09:25 < rxr> ouhm - size is 73936
09:28 < CIA-8> rene * r5920 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: 
09:28 < CIA-8> * removed debugging set -x from dietlibc
09:28 < CIA-8> * fixed the hostlibc diet to be correctly build with -DINSTALLVERSION
09:28 < CIA-8>  (to inject the correct path)
09:28 < rxr> I later try if -mthumb shrinks the size
09:28 < jsaw> have you read the rpath thing on dietlibc@ml?
09:28 < rxr> no - i'm not on that list ...
09:28 < rxr> maybe I should be ... ;-)
09:30 < _Ragnar_> goodnight folks
09:30 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar_ !
09:30 < jsaw> sleep well!
09:30 < _Ragnar_> thx :)
09:30 < rxr> == 02/02/05 09:30:41 =[1]=> Finished building package binutils.
09:31 < rxr> ^- this might be a dietlibc arm binutis ...
09:31 < rxr> build/default-2.1.0-beta4-arm-arm710-cross-psion-pda-expert/usr/bin/as: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), statically linked, stripped
09:31 < rxr> == 09:30:46 =[1]=> Building base/gcc [3.4.3 2.1.0-beta4].
09:31 < rxr> hehe
09:31 < rxr> !> Hunk #1 FAILED at 204.
09:31 < rxr> !> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file gcc/fix ..
09:36 < CIA-8> jsaw * r5921 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/last-minute-0.28-hotfix.patch: * quote CHANGES: "oops, fix LD_RUN_PATH unsetting (Enrico Scholz)"
09:37 < jsaw> rxr: http://sax.sax.de/~adlibit/
09:38 < jsaw> `- cattt
09:43 < rxr> what should I do with cattt ?
09:43 < jsaw> just pasted the link because you're doing arm stuff. 
09:43 < rxr> hehe - ok ;-)
09:43 < rxr> have you ever tried it? or just post from memory ?
09:44 < jsaw> btw size. Maybe we could add compression to module-init-tools. The linux kernel modules size shring from 24Mb to 12Mb if compressed with gzip -9
09:44 < jsaw> rxr: just stumble over it.
09:44 < jsaw> shrink...even
09:45 < rxr> well for embedded systems you have them in some compressed ROM / RAM storage anyway
09:46 < rxr> or do you want it for normal desktop systems ?
09:46 < jsaw> bootdisk/2nd stage
09:47 < rxr> hm
09:47 < rxr> I would like to avoid patching this standard tools
09:48 < rxr> if the authors are fine with it and it can go upstream, ...
09:48 < rxr> we could use other "compressed filesystems" for that stage - maybe squashfs
09:49 < jsaw> hm.
09:50 < rxr> I tried squasfs months ago - and will do in the next days for the PDA thing
09:51 < rxr> it's size is even smaller than ext2/gzip -9 - but I need to review the runtime memory footprint
09:52 < rxr> but I think it stores the FS 1:1 (compressed) in memory -and does only decompress on-the-fly 
09:56 < jsaw> waiting for the result...
09:59 < rxr> me hacking fluffy package selection sed regexs ..
10:03 < rxr> ouhm
10:03 < rxr> -/ binutils /           { p; d; };
10:03 < rxr> -/ gcc /                        { p; d; };
10:03 < rxr> +/ binutils /           { s,. [^ ]*,X 0---------,; p; d; }
10:03 < rxr> +/ gcc /                        { s,. [^ ]*,X 0---------,; p; d; }
10:05 < CIA-8> rene * r5922 /trunk/target/psion-pda/ (config.in preconfig.in): 
10:05 < CIA-8> * only build the cross toolchain for the Psion PDA - no native one (yet)
10:05 < CIA-8> * changed target name slightly
10:27 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr
10:27 < mtr> moin moin
10:28 < rxr> moin
10:28 < mtr> T2 moving to Embedded SDE ...
10:28 < rxr> why moving ?
10:28 < mtr> just reading so much about arm, pdas and uclibc ...
10:29 < rxr> expanding ;-)
10:32 < mtr> there is a small mips device lieing around here, would be very nice to get this going, too
10:32 < rxr> ,)
10:32 < mtr> it has two lan ports and usb, could be nice firewall and router
10:33 < CIA-8> mtr * r5923 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/directfb.conf: 
10:33 < CIA-8> * Disable multi app core: clears dependency on fusion kernel module
10:33 < CIA-8> * Remove gfx-driver option
10:34 < rxr> mtr: afair the fusion thing was already added ..
10:35 < mtr> it was added, but tested only with linux26, just even does not build a linux24 module until now
10:36 < mtr> and i guess most apps would not make use of the multiapplication feature
10:36 < rxr> _Ragnar_ explicitly added it AFAICS ..
10:36 < rxr> let's see what he days ...
10:36 < rxr> says ..
10:37 < mtr> hmm, really? then we should make it work for linux24, too
10:38 < rxr> well - let's see when he is back
10:39 < mtr> did you read about galaxis and convergence insolvency?
10:40 < mtr> seems a bit unclear what will happen to directfb and the other media projects at convergence
10:40 < rxr> not in the last days
10:41 < mtr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/55596
10:45 < rxr> ic
10:51 < CIA-8> rene * r5924 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/cross-build.patch: * fixed ncurses cross compilation basically
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10:56 < mtr> rxr: what about adding amule, and drop non-working xmule?
10:56 < mtr> amule compiles and works fine on my -beta3 machine
10:59 < rxr> personally I do not care about that pacakge ...
10:59 < rxr> is amule also X-whatever based?
11:01 < rxr> if yes just do ;-~)+
11:03 < mtr> amule uses wxwidgtes, too, and it claims to be the "all-plattform-emule" client
11:03 < rxr> cool - just bult a arm ash ...
11:03 < rxr> well - use it ;-)
11:10 < rxr> ouhm
11:10 < rxr> ok
11:10 < rxr> !> Created file outside basedir: /bin/ash
11:10 < rxr> !> Created file outside basedir: /usr/man/man1/ash.1
11:10 < rxr> now I has a arm ash in my athlon system ;-)
11:13 < rxr>         install sh /bin/ash
11:13 < rxr>         install -m 644 sh.1 /usr/man/man1/ash.1
11:13 < rxr> juck
11:13 < CIA-8> rene * r5925 /trunk/package/shells/ash/ (ash.desc denoise.patch slakware-fix.patch x-cross.patch): * patched ash to build with dietlibc (removes some noise and cleanups)
11:17 < jsaw> gone...experiments..cu later
11:17 < rxr> cu
11:18 < rxr> 66592
11:18 < rxr> ^-  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), statically linked, stripped
11:18 < rxr> ash
11:21 < rxr> ok - now bzip2 fails ...
11:21 < rxr> urms ..
11:21 < rxr> finally breakfast first ...
11:21 < CIA-8> rene * r5926 /trunk/package/shells/ash/ (ash.desc destdir.patch): * injected DESTDIR suport into ash to not install outside basedir ;-)
11:26 < CIA-8> rene * r5927 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: 
11:26 < CIA-8> * move more modules only stuff into the CONFIG_MODULES conditional
11:26 < CIA-8>  of linux24 (my module less psionw kernel built now)
11:27 < CIA-8> rene * r5928 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9: * added ash to the BSD | GNU packages of dietlibc
11:28 < CIA-8> rene * r5929 /trunk/package/shells/ash/ash.desc: * marked ash DIETLIBC ;-)
12:03 < CIA-8> mtr * r5930 /trunk/package/network/amule/ (. amule.conf amule.desc): * add package amule (2.0.0rc8)
13:20 < CIA-8> rene * r5931 /trunk/package/base/embutils/ (. build.patch embutils.cache embutils.desc): * added embutils
13:24 < CIA-8> rene * r5932 /trunk/target/psion-pda/config.in: 
13:24 < CIA-8> * force static linking in the psion-pda target (fixes some packages
13:24 < CIA-8>  like bzip2 that try to build additional shared libraries otherwise)
13:26 < rxr> include/db.h ?
13:26 < rxr> ^- nvi ???
13:55 < rxr> no wonder that nvi is fat when it includes a wohle db ...
14:15 < mnemoc> re
14:16 < mnemoc> any news about jsaw's daughter?
14:17 < rxr> if I got that right still awaited
14:17 < rxr> see mailing list mail ;-)
14:18 < mnemoc> :)
14:19 < mnemoc> oh two long-to-answer threads
14:20 < mnemoc> rxr: how is your beta3 build going?
14:20 < rxr> on ppc ?
14:21 < rxr> the athlon is long built
14:21 < rxr> damn  - slow box ...
14:21 < rxr> maybe we should release without powerpc and upload it later silently ...
14:21 < rxr> I need s.th. faster to build powerpc in time ...
14:22 < mnemoc> your laptop is faster :p
14:22 < rxr> I carry it around and have to reboot into osx from time to time
14:23 < mnemoc> :(
14:23 < rxr> I will use distcc later ..
14:23 < rxr> to e.g utilize the athlon ...
14:25 < mnemoc> same gcc and friends than inside chroot?
14:26 < rxr> same gcc version as cross compiler on the athlon and there you go ...
14:27 < rxr>  * Copyright (C) 1993 by Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.
14:27 < rxr> ^- uclibc ..
14:27 < mnemoc> can you tell distcc --daemon what toolchain to use?
14:27 < rxr> yes - there was some way
14:27 < mnemoc> o_O
14:28 < rxr> and there is even a way to let distcc transfer the toolchain to the other boxes automatically ...
14:28 < mnemoc> what on uclibc is licensed by sun?
14:28 < rxr> parts of libm ...
14:28 < rxr> I was just looking at
14:28 < rxr> first file I opened ...
14:28 < mnemoc> transfer the toolchain to a different arch?
14:28 < mnemoc> o_O
14:28 < rxr> not different arch - normally u use it on the same arch
14:29 < rxr> although you could build the gcc for the other arches and pass it along as well ...
14:29 < rxr> uClibc-0.9.27# grep -r "Sun Microsystems" * | wc -l
14:29 < rxr> 448
14:29 < mnemoc> gcc-% ;)
14:29 < mnemoc> uhm
14:29 < rxr> ok - I do not look further into that
14:29 < rxr> and search for another source for soft sin/cos ... ;-)
14:30 < mnemoc> but who copyrighted it after 1994?
14:30 < rxr> t2-trunk# rm -rf uClibc-0.9.27/
14:30 < mnemoc> tar jxf uuClibc-0.9.27.tar.bz2
14:30 < rxr> the file I was at hat no other tag ...
14:30 < mnemoc> oh
14:35 < rxr> The routines included in this math library are derived from the
14:35 < rxr> math library for Apple's MacOS X/Darwin math library, which was
14:35 < rxr> itself swiped from FreeBSD.  The original copyright information
14:35 < rxr> is as follows:
14:35 < rxr>         Copyright (C) 1993 by Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.
14:35 < rxr>         Developed at SunPro, a Sun Microsystems, Inc. business.
14:35 < rxr>         Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this
14:35 < rxr>         software is freely granted, provided that this notice
14:35 < rxr>         is preserved.
14:35 < rxr> It has been ported to work with uClibc and generally behave
14:35 < rxr> by Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
14:35 < rxr>   22 May, 2001
14:37 < mnemoc> can you GPL a BSD licensed code?
14:38 < rxr> don't think so 
14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: OT: have you look into stone setup -> passwd/pam problem?
14:44 < rxr> no - I wanted to see it it sill persist and debug it on the test installation
14:45 < rxr> OT2: does my last night dietlibc commit fixes the bootdisk for you ?
14:45 < mnemoc> do i need to flush the broken build i have?
14:45 < rxr> only rebuild dietlibc
14:45 < rxr> (IIRC)
14:46 < rxr> well - remove all dietlibc logs and give it a go ...
14:46 < mnemoc> ok
14:53 < rxr> damn - just injected a patch into the wront t2 tree ..
14:53 < rxr> too many of them right now over here ...
14:54 < mnemoc> 9 here :p
15:05 < rxr> damn - I can not locate some tiny math library out there ..
15:06 < mnemoc> libowfat?
15:07 < rxr> does it include math ?
15:07 < mnemoc> doesn't it has maths?
15:07 < rxr> don't think so
15:07 < mnemoc> hacklab?
15:07 < rxr> it has this bernstein api - ...
15:08 < rxr> was at hacklab - maybe I need to relook...
15:08 < rxr> Open Math Library 
15:08 < rxr> A library of math functions for Gambas.
15:08 < mnemoc> written in bas :p
15:08 < rxr> MathLib 
15:08 < rxr> A PalmOS library for IEEE-754 double-precision math functions.
15:09 < rxr> *lol*
15:09 < rxr> ^-  * Copyright (C) 1993 by Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.
15:09 < mnemoc> :p
15:10 < rxr> static char rcsid[] = "$NetBSD: k_sin.c,v 1.8 1995/05/10 20:46:31 jtc Exp $";
15:13 < rxr> does the ncursesw part build on uclibc ?
15:16 < rxr> hackerlibc does not seem to contain any math stuff
15:16 < mnemoc> no idea
15:16 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_ has done much more uclibc building than i
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15:17 < rxr> == 02/02/05 15:17:21 =[1]=> Finished building package ncurses.
15:17 < rxr> ^- dietlibc arm
15:17 < rxr> let's see if nvi links now ;-)
15:18 < mnemoc> fefe and tom lord are the top 'rewritters' i know of
15:18 < CIA-8> rene * r5933 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/ncurses.conf: 
15:18 < CIA-8> * only try to build the ncursesw (wide char) variant for non dietlibc
15:18 < CIA-8>  c libraries
15:19 < CIA-8> rene * r5934 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/sincostan.patch: 
15:19 < CIA-8> * inserted stub sin cos and tan functions to dietlibc (they write
15:19 < CIA-8>  an error to stderr and exit (1) ... - I fill them as soon as I find
15:19 < CIA-8>  some GPL code to inject ...)
15:33 < rxr> damn - /me a moron
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15:34 < mnemoc> if you say so
15:34 < madtux> hello.
15:34 < mnemoc> madtux!
15:35 < rxr> == 02/02/05 15:34:05 =[1]=> Finished building package nvi.
15:35 < mnemoc> finally
15:35 < madtux> hi mnemoc
15:35 < rxr> 433004
15:35 < rxr> autsch
15:35 < mnemoc> bad
15:35 < madtux> D  package/psion
15:35 < madtux> mmm...
15:36 < mnemoc> arm
15:36 < mnemoc> is was moved
15:36 < rxr> that is  - well - about 5 % of my PDAs RAM !!  ...
15:36 < mnemoc> it*
15:36 < rxr> ok - we have a cross and dietlibc builtable nvi now ;-) and I'll not use it for my PDA *g*
15:36 < madtux> those prety psions... always kicking ass with their very long lasting bateries
15:37 < rxr> do you know anyone using those ?
15:37 < rxr> over here in europe they are not really common
15:37 < madtux> i should finish the support for them on elks.. sometime
15:37 < rxr> aside that this color display high resolutoin and multi hundred Mhz boxes start to get some market share ...
15:38 < madtux> rxr, most embedded systems freaks have one or two
15:38 < CIA-8> rene * r5935 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9: * added nvi defines to dietlibc's parse-config-9
15:38 < rxr> I have a cheap and tiny revo ...
15:38 < rxr> maybe I buy some used ebay 5mx one day ...
15:38 < rxr> (can handle 512MB compact flash cards *g* - or maybe even bluetooth ;-)
15:39 < rxr> mine has no expansion possibility
15:40 < madtux> so FINALLY t2 will look at the embedded systems market?
15:40 < mnemoc> of course ;)
15:40 < rxr> of course
15:40 < madtux> i'm kinda into that
15:41 < mnemoc> gentoo can build on a PDA :p
15:41 < mnemoc> can't*
15:41 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1.0-beta4-arm-arm710-cross-psion-pda-expert:
15:41 < rxr> 15 builds total, 15 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:41 < rxr> what is a nice target, isn't it ;-)!
15:41 < madtux> i don't really care about "building on a PDA"... i care about running on a PDA
15:42 < rxr> compile time 30 minutes or so *g*
15:42 < mnemoc> .oO( we need bash/t2 autocomplete )o
15:42 < rxr> what kind of autocomplete ?
15:42 < rxr> you mean for scripts ?
15:42 < mnemoc> yes
15:42 < mnemoc> -cfg arm<tab>
15:43 < madtux> micro-bootdisk ?! WTF?
15:43 < rxr> madtux: you need to come over here more often ...
15:43 < mnemoc> uboot, uclibc/bootdisk vaporware
15:43 < rxr> the pace @ t2 is pretty - well fast
15:44 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - don't call it vapoware ;-)
15:44 < madtux> rxr.. i'm haging out more often.. but i need to yet again update myself
15:44 < mnemoc> rxr: :p
15:44 < CIA-8> rene * r5936 /trunk/package/base/embutils/no-shared.patch: * do not install strings of embutils
15:45 < CIA-8> rene * r5937 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: 
15:45 < CIA-8> * fixed gcc.conf to honour extraconfopt to other packages and targets
15:45 < CIA-8>  can inject options far more easily
15:46 < rxr> madtux: update yourself ?
15:46 < madtux> update my knowlodge on what going on here
15:46 < madtux> :)
15:46 < madtux> you guys are hard to track for busy people like me
15:46 < CIA-8> rene * r5938 /trunk/package/editors/nvi/ (nvi.desc types.patch): 
15:46 < CIA-8> * cleaned some more ugly type redefinitions and flagged nvi
15:46 < CIA-8>  dietlibc-able
15:47 < rxr> so - this was my queue for now
15:47 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png <--- four developers kicking r*ck's ass ;)
15:47 < rxr> four ?
15:47 < mnemoc> madtux: xorg builds against uclibc :)
15:48 < mnemoc> 5 with jeru :p
15:48 < rxr> apropos rock - I might need to read submaster again
15:48 < rxr> every 42th patch is worth a look *g*
15:48 < mnemoc> :p
15:48 < rxr> mnemoc: did the bootdisk build with dietlibc again on your side after my last nights fix ?
15:49 < rxr> madtux: ah and when we are at updates
15:49 < rxr> madtux: t2:HEAD builds pretty anything (except grub and silo) on x86-64 and sparc64 ...
15:49 < rxr> )
15:49 < madtux> nice
15:49 < madtux> who are the 5 devs?
15:50 < rxr> madtux: you might like to:
15:50 < rxr> head package/base/linux26/arch-sparc64-atomic.patch 
15:50 < rxr> madtux: well - jsaw madtux _Ragnar__ mtr rxr jeru, ...
15:50 < madtux> wow... i get work as i get the updates...
15:51 < rxr> occational other comittees ... 
15:51 < madtux> und mnemoc?
15:51 < rxr> well - of course ..
15:51 < madtux> nice
15:51 < mnemoc> ^^
15:51 < rxr> madtux: 11 people have write access now ;-)
15:51 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/t2
15:52 < madtux> <click>
15:52 < mnemoc> apropos cia... i'll ask for the key to add url and logo
15:53 < madtux> :)
15:55 < rxr> does anyone know a tiny sed ?
15:55 < madtux> would you please take at elks stuff? :)
15:55 < mnemoc> busybox's?
15:56 < rxr> madtux: take at ?
15:56 < mnemoc> madtux: you must give some life to elks' page
15:56 < madtux> i will working on it
15:56 < madtux> take a look
15:56 < madtux> sorry i'm sleepy today
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15:57 < rxr> minised 
15:57 < rxr> A fast, small sed implementation for constrained environments.
15:57 < rxr> Author:
15:57 < rxr>  Eric S. Raymond [contact developer]
15:57 < mnemoc> madtux: i don't see any change.... elks.sf.net?
15:57 < mnemoc> rxr: oh
15:58 < rxr> minised is the fast, small sed originally distributed in the GNU toolkit and still distributed with Minix. The members of the GNU Project removed it when they built their own sed around an enhanced regexp package, but it's still better for some uses (in particular, it's faster and less memory-intensive).
15:58 < madtux> mnemoc, i have not commit yet
15:58 < madtux> :)
15:58 < mnemoc> madtux: forgiven
15:58 < madtux> rxr, neat
16:02 < rxr> ohm - cool
16:02 < rxr> tar xvfI sed-1.4.tar.bz2 only reveals 3 .c files and one .h ;-)!
16:03 < mnemoc> Makefile?
16:04 < rxr> yeah -s ure
16:04 < rxr> just the amount of junk around
16:04 < rxr> lol - no install target ... ;-)
16:05 < madtux> :)
16:05 < madtux> you can easily add it though
16:05 < rxr> 28164
16:05 < rxr> 18964
16:06 < rxr> ^- stripped dynamic x86 glibc minised
16:06 < rxr> first is unstipped
16:06 < rxr> gnused is:
16:06 < rxr> 72980
16:06 < mnemoc> oh
16:07 < rxr> simple tests works
16:07 < rxr> backquoting, too
16:07 < rxr> ok - /me packaging
16:09 < rxr> cool, minised has such comments:
16:09 < rxr> ==== Written for the GNU operating system by Eric S. Raymond ==== */
16:09 < rxr> *g*
16:11 < mnemoc> long life to esr
16:12 < mnemoc> == 02/02/05 12:10:35 =[1]=> Aborted building package dietlibc. :(
16:12 < rxr> Let's see how many hacks build with dietlibc cross for arm require ...
16:25 < mnemoc> damn... Create-ISO doesn't support to builds of the same target on the disk
16:25 < mnemoc> two builds*
16:38 < CIA-8> mnemoc * r5939 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/directfb.conf: * changed directfb to enable -multi-app if linux-fusion is available
16:43 < rxr> == 02/02/05 16:43:11 =[1]=> Finished building package minised.
16:44 < rxr> ^- had to hack dietlibc for it ;-)
16:44 < rxr> to include gets *g*
16:44 < rxr> 26004^
16:44 < rxr> ^- static dietlibc arm minised ;-)
16:47 < mnemoc> <rxr> 18964 <rxr> ^- stripped dynamic x86 glibc minised
16:47 < rxr> erh - of course that was dynamic ...
16:48 < mnemoc> :)
16:48 < CIA-8> rene * r5940 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/gets.patch: 
16:48 < CIA-8> * implemented gets for dietlibc (as utilized by minised and possible
16:48 < CIA-8>  many other packags)
16:50 < rxr> so - this must do for now
16:51 < CIA-8> rene * r5941 /trunk/package/base/minised/ (. compile.patch minised.cache minised.conf minised.desc): 
16:51 < rxr> next is to prepare creating the image for the PDA and testing / infrastructure work
16:51 < CIA-8> * added "minised" - the original GNU sed written by Eric S. Raymond for
16:51 < CIA-8>  the GNU operating system. It is a lot smaller compared to the current
16:51 < CIA-8>  GNU sed package.
16:57 < rxr> ehm
16:57 < rxr> ehrm
16:58 < rxr> glibc contains the same SUN copyrighted math code ..
16:58 < rxr>  * Conversion to float by Ian Lance Taylor, Cygnus Support, ian@cygnus.com.
16:58 < rxr>  * Copyright (C) 1993 by Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.
16:58 < rxr> static char rcsid[] = "$NetBSD: k_sinf.c,v 1.4 1995/05/10 20:46:33 jtc Exp $";
16:58 < rxr> .oO
17:00 < rxr> in some minutes I'm off into the kitching preparing "lunch"
17:05 < rxr> http://psion.by.ru/psioninside/revoinside/01.htm
17:21  * madtux just launched abuild
17:23 < mnemoc> :)
17:23  * mnemoc lunch
17:23 < madtux> mnemoc, enjoy
17:57 < madtux> great dietlibc just broke... stage 1
18:12 < madtux> fscking dietlibc still broken
18:12  * madtux debuging..
18:15 < daja77> hf
18:15 < madtux> yeah... thats exactly what i'm talking about
18:16 < daja77> *gg*
18:29 < rxr> madtux: mnemoc had the same problem
18:29 < rxr> however it builds here ..
18:29 < madtux> optimization maybe?
18:30 < rxr> madtux: there is some revision where I improved dietlibc do not build twice but use the hostlibc for the diet wrapper
18:30 < madtux> my laptop is p4 3.2ghz
18:30 < madtux> mmm...
18:30 < rxr> and ?
18:30 < madtux> sorry that wasn't for this chan
18:30 < madtux> anyways..
18:30 < madtux> i'm optimizing for pmmx
18:31 < madtux> should it be that the optimization is braking
18:31 < rxr> no
18:31 < madtux> should i just try another one and see if it behaves like it
18:31 < rxr> what is your error ?
18:33 < madtux> some stuff related to defs on cos.S
18:33 < madtux> should i paste?
18:33 < rxr> cos.S ? 
18:34 < madtux> sorry.. its braking when building libm.so
18:34 < rxr> yeah - I just see ..
18:34 < rxr> damn - I injected C cos and sin stub functions
18:34 < madtux> damnit
18:34 < rxr> did not noticed there is a i386 assemble ...
18:35 < rxr> I need to tink about it
18:35 < rxr> in the meantime you can rm package/bas/dietlibc/sincostan.patch 
18:37 < madtux> that will do the trick for now?
18:37 < rxr> I hope
18:37 < rxr> I just want you to test and report ;-)
18:37 < madtux> let me try
18:38 < madtux> i'm starting to feel used..
18:38 < madtux> ok testing
18:39 < madtux> damnit... chemnitz event takes place at the same time than the selinux symposium :(
18:39 < rxr> .oO
18:39 < madtux> == 02/02/05 11:39:03 =[1]=> Finished building package dietlibc.
18:40 < madtux> rxr, i wanted to attend to that symposium too
18:40 < rxr> can imagine
18:40 < madtux> ok so indeed removing the patch fixed it
18:44 < rxr> I rework it
18:44 < rxr> (soon)
18:44 < madtux> good.
19:14 < _Ragnar_> hi
19:18 < rxr> hi
19:21 < _Ragnar_> how's it going?
19:27 < rxr> oh - well well
19:46 < _Ragnar_> :)
19:47 < rxr> too bad the C version of 3e is word star syntax only ..
19:47 < rxr> otherwise it would rock
19:47 < _Ragnar_> uh huh
19:47 < _Ragnar_> rxr> _Ragnar_ explicitly added it AFAICS <- btw, what did I add?:)
19:47 < rxr> directfb s.th. no ?
19:48 < _Ragnar_> no
19:53 < rxr> then don't just forget about it ;-)
19:53  * _Ragnar_ looks confused
20:20 < rxr> seems I need to add tiny vi clone to my todo
20:20 < rxr> only crap out there ...
20:21 < _Ragnar_> as long as it isn't nano
20:24 < rxr> I use elvis-tiny for now
20:24 < rxr> on x86 this is 91064 vs 397760 of nvi ...
20:26 < _Ragnar_> neat
20:30 < rxr> vs 2371716 of vim (and that is not the gtk+ version!)
20:30 < rxr> although that is only slightly larger: 2589040
20:31 < rxr> "I have vim on my PDA" - "Oh, cool. And?" - "And what?" - "What else?" - "Well only vim. It already filled the RAM."
20:32 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
20:32 < _Ragnar_> vim can many options to scale it down
20:33 < rxr> well - I think when I switch whatever off it will not fit my needs
20:33 < rxr> the elivis-tiny is already slightly too fat for my needs ...
20:34 < _Ragnar_> hmm qic crashes ;p
20:34 < rxr> qic ?
20:35 < _Ragnar_> uic
20:35 < _Ragnar_> the qt interface compiler
20:36 < rxr> ah ...
20:36 < rxr> already in the qt build ?
20:37 < _Ragnar_> no, later on, with kdebase
20:38 < rxr> ouhm
20:38 < rxr> you want a full generic build w/ uclibc, right ?
20:39 < _Ragnar_> basically
20:40 < _Ragnar_> I don't really need it right now, but it's nice to know what works and what doesn't
20:40 < rxr> then much fun with uic ...
20:40 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
20:40 < rxr> I fought many night with it on sparc* builds in the past ...
20:41 < _Ragnar_> yeah I had problems with it before, too
20:41 < _Ragnar_> seems rather buggy
20:41 < rxr> it seems to stress the C library quite a lot
20:41 < rxr> I never found a bug in it - it always was toolchain instability ...
20:42 < rxr> but the qt stuss is so ugly that I hardly adapt to it and always forget the details when I looked into it ...
20:44 < _Ragnar_> ;)
20:44 < _Ragnar_> yeah I see
20:51 < _Ragnar_> well I'll defer that to later
20:52 < rxr> 114416 Feb  2 20:51 /usr/bin/elvis
20:52 < rxr> ^- dietlibc arm elvis
20:52 < _Ragnar_> btw did it crash for you while doing the work, or later on cleanup ?
20:52 < rxr> once it crashed in soem destructor ...
20:52 < rxr> but often doing work - or on startup ...
20:53 < rxr> the dietlibc static arm nvi was:
20:53 < rxr>  433004
20:54 < madtux> re
20:55 < rxr> hi madtux !
20:56 < madtux> rxr, package
20:56 < rxr> already done
20:57 < madtux> arrg i ment arch-sparc64-atomic.patch dow snot apply on linux24
20:57 < madtux> did u test that
20:57 < rxr> yes - I think so
20:57 < rxr> .oO(have I looked into the right log?)
20:58 < madtux> <FLOOD>
20:58 < madtux> Apply patch /home/mike/Projects/t2/t2-trunk/package/base/linux24/arch-sparc64-at
20:58 < madtux> omic.patch ...
20:58 < madtux> ===[apply_patchfiles:583 (last $?=0)> [[ /home/mike/Projects/t2/t2-trunk/package
20:58 < madtux> ===[apply_patchfiles:586 (last $?=1)> patch -bfp1 -z .orig
20:58 < madtux> patching file arch/sparc64/lib/atomic.S
20:58 < madtux> Hunk #1 FAILED at 7.
20:58 < madtux> Hunk #2 FAILED at 30.
20:58 < madtux> Hunk #3 FAILED at 43.
20:58 < madtux> 3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/sparc64/lib/atomic.S.rej
20:58 < madtux> No 1-linux24.log file.
20:58 < madtux> </FlOOD>
20:59 < rxr> uh oh
20:59 < rxr> not good ...
20:59  * rxr has looked into another file
21:00 < madtux> :)
21:00 < rxr> maybe even the file name changed?
21:00 < rxr> (in 2.4?)
21:00 < rxr> if the file is at the same place and no hunk applies just remove it for now ...
21:00 < madtux> 2.4
21:00 < rxr> (the patch=
21:00 < rxr> )
21:00 < madtux> rxr, let me play with i.. i will fix it
21:01 < madtux> leave some fun to the newbies :)
21:03 < CIA-8> rene * r5942 /trunk/package/editors/elvis-tiny/ (. compile.patch elvis-tiny.cache elvis-tiny.desc): * added elvis-tiny (1.4-18) - a quarter of the nvi binary size ;-)
21:05  * rxr trying to inject this T2 arm stuff onto the PDA ...
21:05 < madtux> rxr, sounds like you are having big time fun
21:07 < rxr> yeah - did too much scanner driver osx stuff and exams lately ..
21:07 < rxr> need a relaxing day ...
21:07 < madtux> good 
21:08 < madtux> so payed work calls be back in 3 hours
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21:28 < mnemoc> rehi
21:28 < rxr> hi
21:28 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
21:50 < mnemoc> rxr: was dietlibc-cos problem fixed?
21:51 < rxr> no yet
21:51 < rxr> phonibg
21:51 < _Ragnar_> cos?
21:55 < mnemoc> rene added sin,cos and tan to libm for arm but here that gets redefined
21:55 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
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22:01 < freddy> hi
22:01 < _Ragnar_> hi
22:01 < mnemoc> hi
22:08 < rxr> hi freddy 
22:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i removed locally sincostan patch and re-try. now i don't get the undefines problem but: pic-i386/libc.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized
22:11 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/1-dietlibc.err
22:12 < mnemoc> # file pic-i386/libc.so
22:12 < mnemoc> pic-i386/libc.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
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22:26 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have T^2 rendered smaller? https://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/t2 <--- too big
22:31 < mtr> re
22:32 < mnemoc> re mtr
22:36 < rxr> moment
22:36 < rxr> sitll phoning
22:37 < mnemoc> susan?
22:39 < rxr> no - lars
22:39 < rxr> so - let me first try to resurrect my PDA ...
22:39 < rxr> then I do some artwork
22:40 < mnemoc> i removed the logo for now
22:46 < rxr> so - after pressing the reset buttons (it has 2 ...) wildly for some minutes, it is back online ...
22:58 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/t2-new.png
22:58 < rxr> just quick hack - a more sophistically styled logo to come ...
23:01 < mnemoc> cool
23:01 < mnemoc> does it has transparency?
23:02 < mnemoc> https://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/t2
23:02 < mnemoc> :D
23:02 < mnemoc> err
23:03 < mnemoc> https://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/t2
23:03 < mnemoc> aaaarg
23:03 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/t2  without the damn 's'
23:03 < rxr> mom
23:04 < rxr> do you like it ?
23:04 < mnemoc> yep
23:05 < mnemoc> adds more meaning to the logo
23:05 < mnemoc> you did the disc?
23:06 < rxr> nope
23:07 < mnemoc> :(
23:07 < rxr> grabbed it from openclibart.org some minutes ago ...
23:07 < rxr> clipart ...
23:09 < rxr> I saw some cool looking "box" graphic today
23:10 < rxr> but forgot where ... - it might make a nice T2 logo ...
23:10 < mnemoc> we can do a gallery and vote ;)
23:22 < rxr> I think I go into bed in the next minutes - and get up at 5 ...
23:22 < mnemoc> oh
23:58 < CIA-8> rene * r5943 /trunk/package/arm/linux24-psionw/assembler-hack.patch: 
23:58 < CIA-8> * removed grave linux24-psionw/assembler-hack.patch - I wanted to track
23:58 < CIA-8>  it correctly and the error vanished without further interaction ;-)
23:59 < CIA-8> rene * r5944 /trunk/target/psion-pda/config.in: * clenup for the psion-pda package selection - including adding rsync
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