T2 IRC Log: 2004-11-30
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--- Log opened Tue Nov 30 00:00:53 2004
00:00 < rxr> I only wonder why the flitedate (or what it was named) a special purpose time speech output produced really great quality. The point where I wonder is that this "date" output quality is so much better compared to the "abritary text output" binary ...
00:01 < rxr> maybe also some endianess issue (only tried this all on PowerPC) - maybe I should mail the author if it is "normal"
00:03 < _martin_> gn8
00:04 < rxr> _martin_: mom
00:04 < rxr> _martin_: still here?
00:04 < rxr> (please)
00:04 < rxr> if I would have known that you are here I would have asked earlier ....
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00:05 < _martin_> for some minutes, yes. privat and german, please :)
00:09 < rxr> thanks martin - and good night
00:09 < _martin_> good night rxr and all ....
00:11 < rxr> nullslack: the nexus mirror will not get all files ...
00:12 < rxr> sync running with 16934.62 kBit/s
00:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I think now it should be safe to start a fresh build ...
00:15 < mnemoc> :D
00:15 * rxr soon off into bed ...
00:30 < nullslack> rxr, thnx
00:33 < rxr> sync finished ...
00:34 < rxr> nexus mirror now fully functional ...
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00:46 * rxr in bed - cu
00:49 < jsaw> cu rxr
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02:57 < nullslack> i wish someone could provide a step-by-step screenshot of ./scripts/Config ;(
02:59 < mnemoc> what do you want to do?
03:03 < nullslack> mnemoc, i just want a minimal base system to start from...
03:03 < nullslack> but i can't seem to figure it out ;(
03:03 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg nullslack
03:04 < mnemoc> select your arch
03:04 < mnemoc> select your optimization
03:04 < nullslack> ok
03:04 < nullslack> ok
03:04 < mnemoc> can that arch/optimization run on the machine you are using to build ?
03:04 < nullslack> yes...celeron can be optimized as p3 right?
03:05 < mnemoc> you are building on the celeron or on the p3?
03:05 < nullslack> celeron
03:05 < mnemoc> uhm
03:06 < nullslack> ok...i'll skip the optimization....i'm confused with the target
03:06 < mnemoc> let's see :) but i think you will have to down-optimize it
03:06 < mnemoc> generic
03:06 < mnemoc> go to expert
03:06 < nullslack> ok
03:06 < nullslack> ok
03:06 < mnemoc> template = minimal
03:06 < mnemoc> package selection (pkgsel)
03:06 < mnemoc> - linux24
03:07 < mnemoc> abort on errors
03:07 < mnemoc> retry broken
03:07 < mnemoc> quit
03:07 < nullslack> minmalistic package selection, right?
03:07 < mnemoc> yes
03:07 < nullslack> wait...
03:08 < nullslack> package selection (pkgsel)? where is that?
03:09 < mnemoc> bellow template selection
03:10 < nullslack> [ ] Custom package selection ?
03:10 < mnemoc> yes
03:10 < nullslack> - linux24 ?
03:11 < mnemoc> add that
03:12 < mnemoc> - linux24 on package selection
03:13 < nullslack> ===> Edit package selection rules ?
03:14 < mnemoc> yes
03:14 < nullslack> i'll add it like "- linux24" or "linux24" only?
03:14 < mnemoc> - linux24
03:15 < mnemoc> to remove that pacakge from the package list
03:15 < nullslack> ic...so i'll be building a 2.6.8.1 kernel?
03:16 < mnemoc> 2.6.8 headers
03:16 < mnemoc> but 2.6.9 kernel
03:16 < nullslack> hmmm...ok
03:16 < mnemoc> you can update linux-header pacakge to use 2.6.9
03:16 < mnemoc> but it may produce you some regressions
03:17 < nullslack> what do u mean by regression?
03:17 < nullslack> and this [ ] Abort when a package-build fails ?
03:17 < mnemoc> it may introduce build problems
03:17 < mnemoc> yes
03:17 < nullslack> and also this [*] Retry building broken packages ?
03:17 < mnemoc> yes
03:18 < nullslack> oh...how can i avoid that?
03:18 < nullslack> i want it to build ok for the first try
03:19 < mnemoc> the build 2.6.8.1 headers :)
03:19 < mnemoc> then*
03:20 < nullslack> is there a way i can see the packages that will be downloaded using the minimal template?
03:21 < nullslack> can i deselect some? or will i break it if i do?
03:24 < mnemoc> config/$foo/packages has the list of packages
03:24 < mnemoc> lines starting with X will be downloaded and built
03:24 < mnemoc> using pkgsel you alter that list
03:25 < mnemoc> every package has de description file at package/*/foo/foo.desc
03:25 < mnemoc> where [D]s are the files to download
03:25 < mnemoc> you are free to alter pkgsel as you want
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03:28 < nullslack> pkgsel = deselected packages?
03:30 < mnemoc> as you removed linux24
03:32 < nullslack> so the format is still "- linux24"
03:32 < nullslack> what's packages.txt for?
03:35 < nullslack> can't i edit packages directly and replace X with O?
03:37 < mnemoc> nope
03:37 < mnemoc> packages file is generated every time
03:37 < mnemoc> any change will be lost
03:38 < mnemoc> pacakges.txt is there to show you a nice list inside Config
03:38 < mnemoc> packages is the real
03:40 < nullslack> so the format for pkgsel is "- packagename" whoaa talk about minimal...a total of 163 packages ;)
03:45 < mnemoc> my minimal has 76
03:45 < mnemoc> t2 is a distribution build kit, we don't maitain directly the distributions, we maintain the kit and _you_ the distribution
03:48 < nullslack> ok...btw, if i deselect a package which another package depends, will it be automatically downloaded? even if i deselected it
03:56 < nullslack> X -1---5---9 102.061 base linux24 2.4.28 / base/kernel DIETLIBC KERNEL 0 ;( i did "- linux24" in the Config
03:58 < mnemoc> dependencies are _yuor_ problem
03:58 < mnemoc> not of the kit
03:58 < mnemoc> we tell you on .cache files what dependencies were detected in the last 'reference' build
03:59 < mnemoc> but to honor them is your business
03:59 < mnemoc> if you know you can build samething without pacakge foo, remove foo if you don't want foo
03:59 < mnemoc> eg. vim can depend on xf86 libs
04:00 < mnemoc> but it's your choice to insteall cf86 or not
04:00 < mnemoc> - linux24 will remove linux for ever, O linux24 will make it 're-enableable'
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04:15 < mnemoc> gn8 *
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07:21 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | C++ people around, too
07:21 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004]
07:21 [Users #t2]
07:21 [ _martin_] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nullslack] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
07:21 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ praenti ] [ sparc-kly]
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07:21 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
07:21 < rxr> rehi
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07:22 < rxr> somehow I got disconnected and not reconnected :-(
07:47 < _martin_> hi rxr
07:47 < rxr> moin _martin_
07:49 < _martin_> Hmm, _martin_ looks not good. It's look like _underlined_
07:49 < rxr> yep ;-)
07:51 < _martin_> Apple need more than a month to read my fax :-(
07:51 < rxr> did you got a response?
07:53 < _martin_> I have phone apple, yesterday: "I have 200mm Fax-Paper on my desktop. I do not yet read your fax." - fine :(
07:55 < rxr> ouch
07:57 < _martin_> so, I drive to university
07:58 * rxr soon, too
08:10 < CIA-9> rene * r4894 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf:
08:10 < CIA-9> * added back a tiny hack to fix a regression (this will be resolved
08:10 < CIA-9> cleanly after my talk today and other contract stuff to do ...)
08:15 < rxr> due to distrowatch our boxed had 9x then usual web traffic ...
08:17 < rxr> well 9x for www. alone ...
08:17 * rxr breakfast ...
08:53 < CIA-9> rene * r4895 /trunk/package/audio/xmms-jack/xmms-jack.desc: * updated xmms-jack (0.10 -> 0.11) - seems to be harder to crash ;-)
08:59 < CIA-9> rene * r4896 /trunk/package/develop/libsigc++/libsigc++.desc: * updated libsigc++ (2.0.1 -> 2.0.6)
09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r4897 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.39 -> 0.40)
09:00 * rxr off into uni - cu
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11:14 < Corlis> hellas
11:24 < Corlis> Hrm. something wrong here with buildstart-variable...
11:29 < Corlis> urm, mkdir command not found? urgh
11:44 < Corlis> weirdo, hrm. cleanup -full resolves problem :(
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12:40 < mnemoc> moin
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13:51 < valentin> moin mnemoc et al
13:54 < mnemoc> moin valentin
13:57 < valentin> how is your project ?
13:58 < mnemoc> i couldn't finish it, but it plays
13:59 < valentin> nice
13:59 < mnemoc> and wins sometimes
13:59 < valentin> agains human players ?
13:59 < mnemoc> newbie human players, yes
13:59 < valentin> the game was go iirc ?
13:59 < mnemoc> yep
13:59 < mnemoc> but 9x9
14:00 < valentin> i am quite a newbie - i managed to win against gnugo at --level 0 on a 9x9 board twice :)
14:00 < mnemoc> =)
14:01 < mnemoc> i forgot to test it against gungo :\
14:01 < mnemoc> in 4 hours the tornament starts... i hope to some matches
14:01 < mnemoc> to win some*
14:03 < valentin> you can use the pre-rounds to train it :)
14:05 < valentin> are all algorithms in the tournament "geneticaly engineered" ?
14:05 < mnemoc> it was a 'bonus'
14:05 < mnemoc> some people choose to hardcode strategies
14:06 < mnemoc> OT: can i use Authz's access file and md5 user files on svnserve ?
14:08 < valentin> that is a question for rxr - i never configured svnserve
14:08 < mnemoc> ok
14:25 < daja77> *sigh* i always lost in go, had just a few games
14:26 < mnemoc> :)
14:26 < mnemoc> it's a very difficult game
14:26 < daja77> yep
14:26 < daja77> but more fun than chess
14:29 < valentin> moin daja77
14:29 < daja77> moin valentin
14:48 < rxr> re
14:48 < valentin> hi rxr
14:49 < rxr> hi all
14:51 < rxr> "Call for Papers" für den LinuxTag 2005
14:51 < rxr> will t2 be present? shoudl we do a t2 talk?
14:51 < valentin> LinuxTag Karlsruhe ?
14:52 < rxr> jup
14:52 < valentin> that is far away in the future ...
14:54 < rxr> call for paper is only due to january ...
14:56 < valentin> when is the Tag ?
14:57 < mnemoc> rxr: what would make it different that a ROCK talk? flaming the differences?
14:59 < valentin> mnemoc: maybe there is no rock talk ...
14:59 < rxr> I think there never was a rock talk beside my inprovisated one ...
14:59 < mnemoc> oh
15:00 < rxr> clifford choosed to prsent is very cool submaster a year ago IIRC ...
15:00 < mnemoc> hehe
15:00 < valentin> no, iirc he did not do that
15:00 < valentin> because they did not want to pay his hotel or so
15:00 < rxr> not this yeat - the year before ... - or maybe it was somewhere else ...
15:01 < rxr> at least I once had to listen to one ...
15:02 < valentin> that was chemniz, wasn't it ?
15:02 < rxr> was it? - maybe ...
15:05 < valentin> to avoid clashes we could talk about system development environment(s) ...
15:13 < rxr> 161 builds total, 161 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:13 < rxr> I just run svn up for a tree 1000 out-of-date ..
15:13 < rxr> so many files changed ;-)
15:27 < rxr> web traffic due to http://distrowatch.com holds on ;-)
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15:33 < madtux> hello
15:34 < rxr> hi madtux
15:34 < madtux> hi rene :)
15:34 < mnemoc> miguel angel
15:34 < rxr> angel?
15:35 < madtux> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:35 < madtux> rxr: yeah thats my name
15:35 < madtux> but i hate it
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15:37 < madtux> i'm still downloading sources for my t2 build
15:37 < madtux> rxr: how are u doing with your isos ? :)
15:48 < rxr> oh - fine ...
15:48 < rxr> should continue uploading them and test them along the lines ..
15:48 < madtux> excellent
15:48 < rxr> but I need to finish to click my example GUI together for this commercial project and write up contract text ...
15:48 < madtux> i hope to be done with my spources download when u have the isos i want to run several builds this week
15:49 < madtux> i understand, please don't let me get in the way with your work
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16:30 < rxr> urgs - ok - I'll not do such a gui ... :
16:30 < rxr> http://www.macobserver.com/images/newreviews/99/991015agfasnapscan/scanwise.jpg
16:34 < madtux>
16:34 < madtux> :)
16:35 < valentin> reminds me of some os/2 color scheme in ugly 8 bit color
17:26 * rxr so crazzy these days that I read the Apple User Interface design goals ...
17:26 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/OSXHIGuidelines.pdf
17:26 < madtux> rxr you were not crazy before?
17:26 < madtux> *g*
17:41 < rxr> the HIG is boring ... - quite blown up text passages
17:41 < rxr> and not including what wanna know ..
17:41 < rxr> at least I now knwo when applications deserve to be brushed metal windows and when not ...
17:42 < rxr> and that I must implement a toolbar hide button and not mess with the top left window close and so on buttons ...
17:43 < rxr> aha - ok:
17:43 < rxr> Carbon is a procedural C interface for Mac OS X. Whether you are writing a new application or porting one from another platform, Carbon is an excellent framework for developing on Mac OS X. If you're developing new applications and prefer an object-oriented interface, be sure to consider Cocoa.
17:44 < rxr> Cocoa is an object-oriented application environment designed specifically for developing Mac OS X-only native applications. The Cocoa frameworks support rapid development and high productivity, ...
17:45 < rxr> ... "These interfaces are in both Objective-C and Java. However, you can integrate code written in other languages into your Cocoa projects, including C++ code and C code."
17:45 < rxr> .oO (when I need to write objective C code I get crazzy)
17:55 < rxr> I think I'll drive to dussman in an hour and review some macosx GUI programming book ...
17:57 < valentin> rxr: guess hugendubel@zoo will have more programming books
18:03 < rxr> nope
18:03 < rxr> dussman as far more ..
18:04 < rxr> hugendubel sucks more and more ..
18:04 < rxr> the last two times I did not even found a reall C++ book there - just the dau user data becker and co stuff ...
18:04 < rxr> and dussman you get most o reilly and such books ...
18:04 < rxr> and the real professional ones - nut just the luser stuff ...
18:05 < valentin> last time i searched hugendubel they had adison wes. and o reilly, too
18:07 < rxr> only some o reilly - maybe this was not the one @ zoo?
18:07 < rxr> and dussmann is opened until 22:00 and I do not need to chain the train ...
18:08 < rxr> btw. do you have the time to finish the pkgtutorial?
18:08 < rxr> (and I can listen to some CDs on the way out or so)
18:08 < valentin> ok
18:08 < valentin> anyone here knows a good ascii to html convertor ?
18:09 < rxr> just hack the tiny sed expression to do the usual used ones like:
18:09 < rxr> <> and such ..
18:11 < valentin> ok
18:22 < rxr> usually even
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18:49 < rxr> hi kensai
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18:49 < kensai> rxr hi
18:52 * rxr testbuilding for ia64 now ...
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19:40 < rxr> AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
19:40 < rxr> still cross toolchain regressions I overlooked ...
19:42 * rxr rebooting into macosx soon ...
20:32 < rxr> there are days where I wonder what ugly works someone managed to hide in the t2^Wrock scripts ..
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21:12 < rxr> ohm - on developer.apple.com there is - you will not believe this - a "cocoa 3d modelling sample that uses Quake 2 models for data" ...
21:13 < rxr> urghs
21:14 < rxr> in the interface builder from apple there is a attribute window where an text label is shortened to "Backgrnd Color"
21:14 < rxr> how user friendly ans stylish ...
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21:20 < nullslack> rxr, when bulding from minimal template, what is used? glibc or dietlibc?
21:21 < rxr> glibc
21:21 < rxr> and dietlibs built just for the fun of it ,-)
21:22 < nullslack> rxr, how will i pass the option to build for dietlibc
21:22 < nullslack> !> make[1]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1
21:23 < nullslack> make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
21:23 < rxr> nullslack: what?
21:24 < nullslack> rxr, if i wanted to use dietlibc instead of glibc
21:24 < nullslack> those are the error output from the build
21:25 < nullslack> gcc
21:25 < rxr> where did you choose to use dietlibc?
21:26 < rxr> you are aware that is it for embedded style application use only?
21:26 < rxr> e.g. some stuff wilk not build with it yet, and some stuff might show run-time errors ...
21:26 < rxr> e.g. no X yet ...
21:26 < rxr> and gcc and perl are known to not function 100% properly yet ...
21:27 < nullslack> rxr, oh ic...it is included by default with the minimal template
21:28 < rxr> it is used by certain stuff - e.g. the initrc binary, optionally be udev and so on ...
21:28 < rxr> not for the whole system
21:28 < rxr> did you enable to use dietlibc globally ?
21:29 < nullslack> rxr, hmmm in the Config?
21:29 < rxr> yes - there is an option for it ...
21:29 < rxr> so you did not hit it ... ? (I hope ...)
21:30 < rxr> which stage package combination fails on your side?
21:31 < nullslack> is the option this one --> ( ) Diet LibC based System (EXPERIMENTAL)
21:32 < rxr> yes
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22:20 < rxr> hi sparc-kly
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23:11 < madtux> praenti: 0_o
23:11 < madtux> hello :)
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23:31 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004]
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23:36 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004]
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--- Log opened Tue Nov 30 05:29:59 2004
05:30 < jeru> rxr: welcome back :)
05:30 < jeru> what was wrong ?
05:30 < rxr> never reboot a system with a defect init ...
05:30 < rxr> no idea how I crippled it ...
05:30 < rxr> but massive t2 tinkering without reboot in 13x days or what it was might explain it ..
05:30 < jeru> but you have luck because the machine was near by ;)
05:30 < jeru> had
05:32 < rxr> re
05:32 < rxr> so
05:33 < rxr> hehe ,-)
05:33 < rxr> of course I would not have tried that on a production server somewhere ...
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06:10 < minto_> hi *
06:13 < jeru> hi minto_ :)
06:14 < minto_> Hi jeru, how is your bunny doing?
06:14 < jeru> minto_: which one ?
06:14 < jeru> :)
06:14 < minto_> You have more than one?
06:14 < jeru> the small one is hanging around with me ...
06:15 < jeru> the big one is away visiting a friend
06:15 < jeru> ;)
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06:15 < jeru> minto_: hope you're not confused now ...
06:16 < minto_> I am. If the big one is a girl, you might be in for a surprise some day? ;-)
06:16 < cyrus82> hello! i have problems building the iproute2 packe from 2.1.0-beta4. (i'm new to t2)
06:16 < cyrus82> cone somebody help me?
06:17 < minto_> Hi cyrus82, what is your problem?
06:17 < jeru> cyrus82: what exactly is your problem ?
06:18 < cyrus82> i did scripts/Build-Target -cfg system and the build stops after trying to build the iproute2 package
06:19 < cyrus82> (i did the things written in quick-start)
06:20 < jeru> cyrus82: at what stage the build aborted
06:20 < keinek> hi
06:21 < minto_> Hi keinek
06:21 < cyrus82> i think after compiling... while installing
06:22 < cyrus82> .../iproute2.conf: line 23: install_init: command not found :(
06:22 < cyrus82> what ist install_init?
06:22 < jeru> cyrus82: what target do you use ?
06:23 < cyrus82> bootdisk
06:24 < jeru> cyrus82: try this from the t2 base dir: echo build/system*/var/adm/logs/*.err
06:24 < cyrus82> but i removed iproute2 from the packages file now, because i think i won't need it
06:24 < cyrus82> i did that allready, jeru
06:25 < jeru> and what's displayed ?
06:26 < cyrus82> .../iproute2.conf: line 23: install_init: command not found
06:26 < cyrus82> and more...
06:27 < cyrus82> hm...sysfiles does stop, too
06:28 < cyrus82> with the same error: install_init command not found
06:28 < cyrus82> i chose minit instead of sysvinit... could it be that this is the problem?
06:29 < jeru> cyrus82: yes
06:29 < cyrus82> ok.. i'll change this
06:30 < cyrus82> it works now
06:31 < jeru> cyrus82: :)
06:32 < cyrus82> i'll have a bootable installation cd when i'm finished, right?
06:32 < jeru> yep
06:32 < jeru> cyrus82: have you build another target ?
06:32 < cyrus82> no
06:33 < jeru> cyrus82: what do you want to install ?
06:34 < cyrus82> i want to have a minimal but modern linux installation with developemnt toolchain. and then i want to compile and install all my application by hand
06:35 < cyrus82> and the core system should be updatedable... i hope i can to that with t2
06:37 < jeru> cyrus82: sure, but why do you want to install your apps by hand ?
06:38 < cyrus82> to have the maximum control about everything
06:38 < cyrus82> but if t2 has something like a repository or a package manager, i'll try it
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06:42 < cyrus82> sorry, i got disconnected
06:43 < cyrus82> did i miss anything?
06:43 < jeru> cyrus82: nope ;)
06:44 < cyrus82> ok
06:45 < cyrus82> does it take longer to build the bootdisc or to build the system ?
06:45 < jeru> cyrus82: mostly the system ... it depends on the selected target
06:45 < cyrus82> seem that the bootdisc will contain a lot of software i don't need
06:47 < jeru> cyrus82: btw, you can replace "system" with any name for your build e.g. ./scripts/Config -cfg foo
06:48 < jeru> and building it with ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg foo
06:48 < cyrus82> ok, but how do i install it? do i HAVE to make an installtion cd?
06:54 < cyrus82> why is Build-Target -cfg bootdisc building glibc again now?
06:54 < cyrus82> i though i did this already with Build-Target -cfg system
06:55 < jeru> cyrus82: because it's a different target
06:56 < cyrus82> so i didn't have to do Build-Target -cfg system before creating a bootdisk?
06:57 < jeru> cyrus82: no ... every target is build for its own
06:58 < jeru> cyrus82: but of course you can just build the bootdisk and burn it on cd
06:59 < cyrus82> do i have to to this to install a new system?
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07:18 < rxr> ?
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00:00 < rxr> I only wonder why the flitedate (or what it was named) a special purpose time speech output produced really great quality. The point where I wonder is that this "date" output quality is so much better compared to the "abritary text output" binary ...
00:01 < rxr> maybe also some endianess issue (only tried this all on PowerPC) - maybe I should mail the author if it is "normal"
00:03 < _martin_> gn8
00:04 < rxr> _martin_: mom
00:04 < rxr> _martin_: still here?
00:04 < rxr> (please)
00:04 < rxr> if I would have known that you are here I would have asked earlier ....
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00:05 < _martin_> for some minutes, yes. privat and german, please :)
00:09 < rxr> thanks martin - and good night
00:09 < _martin_> good night rxr and all ....
00:11 < rxr> nullslack: the nexus mirror will not get all files ...
00:12 < rxr> sync running with 16934.62 kBit/s
00:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I think now it should be safe to start a fresh build ...
00:15 < mnemoc> :D
00:15 * rxr soon off into bed ...
00:30 < nullslack> rxr, thnx
00:33 < rxr> sync finished ...
00:34 < rxr> nexus mirror now fully functional ...
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00:46 * rxr in bed - cu
00:49 < jsaw> cu rxr
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02:57 < nullslack> i wish someone could provide a step-by-step screenshot of ./scripts/Config ;(
02:59 < mnemoc> what do you want to do?
03:03 < nullslack> mnemoc, i just want a minimal base system to start from...
03:03 < nullslack> but i can't seem to figure it out ;(
03:03 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg nullslack
03:04 < mnemoc> select your arch
03:04 < mnemoc> select your optimization
03:04 < nullslack> ok
03:04 < nullslack> ok
03:04 < mnemoc> can that arch/optimization run on the machine you are using to build ?
03:04 < nullslack> yes...celeron can be optimized as p3 right?
03:05 < mnemoc> you are building on the celeron or on the p3?
03:05 < nullslack> celeron
03:05 < mnemoc> uhm
03:06 < nullslack> ok...i'll skip the optimization....i'm confused with the target
03:06 < mnemoc> let's see :) but i think you will have to down-optimize it
03:06 < mnemoc> generic
03:06 < mnemoc> go to expert
03:06 < nullslack> ok
03:06 < nullslack> ok
03:06 < mnemoc> template = minimal
03:06 < mnemoc> package selection (pkgsel)
03:06 < mnemoc> - linux24
03:07 < mnemoc> abort on errors
03:07 < mnemoc> retry broken
03:07 < mnemoc> quit
03:07 < nullslack> minmalistic package selection, right?
03:07 < mnemoc> yes
03:07 < nullslack> wait...
03:08 < nullslack> package selection (pkgsel)? where is that?
03:09 < mnemoc> bellow template selection
03:10 < nullslack> [ ] Custom package selection ?
03:10 < mnemoc> yes
03:10 < nullslack> - linux24 ?
03:11 < mnemoc> add that
03:12 < mnemoc> - linux24 on package selection
03:13 < nullslack> ===> Edit package selection rules ?
03:14 < mnemoc> yes
03:14 < nullslack> i'll add it like "- linux24" or "linux24" only?
03:14 < mnemoc> - linux24
03:15 < mnemoc> to remove that pacakge from the package list
03:15 < nullslack> ic...so i'll be building a 2.6.8.1 kernel?
03:16 < mnemoc> 2.6.8 headers
03:16 < mnemoc> but 2.6.9 kernel
03:16 < nullslack> hmmm...ok
03:16 < mnemoc> you can update linux-header pacakge to use 2.6.9
03:16 < mnemoc> but it may produce you some regressions
03:17 < nullslack> what do u mean by regression?
03:17 < nullslack> and this [ ] Abort when a package-build fails ?
03:17 < mnemoc> it may introduce build problems
03:17 < mnemoc> yes
03:17 < nullslack> and also this [*] Retry building broken packages ?
03:17 < mnemoc> yes
03:18 < nullslack> oh...how can i avoid that?
03:18 < nullslack> i want it to build ok for the first try
03:19 < mnemoc> the build 2.6.8.1 headers :)
03:19 < mnemoc> then*
03:20 < nullslack> is there a way i can see the packages that will be downloaded using the minimal template?
03:21 < nullslack> can i deselect some? or will i break it if i do?
03:24 < mnemoc> config/$foo/packages has the list of packages
03:24 < mnemoc> lines starting with X will be downloaded and built
03:24 < mnemoc> using pkgsel you alter that list
03:25 < mnemoc> every package has de description file at package/*/foo/foo.desc
03:25 < mnemoc> where [D]s are the files to download
03:25 < mnemoc> you are free to alter pkgsel as you want
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03:28 < nullslack> pkgsel = deselected packages?
03:30 < mnemoc> as you removed linux24
03:32 < nullslack> so the format is still "- linux24"
03:32 < nullslack> what's packages.txt for?
03:35 < nullslack> can't i edit packages directly and replace X with O?
03:37 < mnemoc> nope
03:37 < mnemoc> packages file is generated every time
03:37 < mnemoc> any change will be lost
03:38 < mnemoc> pacakges.txt is there to show you a nice list inside Config
03:38 < mnemoc> packages is the real
03:40 < nullslack> so the format for pkgsel is "- packagename" whoaa talk about minimal...a total of 163 packages ;)
03:45 < mnemoc> my minimal has 76
03:45 < mnemoc> t2 is a distribution build kit, we don't maitain directly the distributions, we maintain the kit and _you_ the distribution
03:48 < nullslack> ok...btw, if i deselect a package which another package depends, will it be automatically downloaded? even if i deselected it
03:56 < nullslack> X -1---5---9 102.061 base linux24 2.4.28 / base/kernel DIETLIBC KERNEL 0 ;( i did "- linux24" in the Config
03:58 < mnemoc> dependencies are _yuor_ problem
03:58 < mnemoc> not of the kit
03:58 < mnemoc> we tell you on .cache files what dependencies were detected in the last 'reference' build
03:59 < mnemoc> but to honor them is your business
03:59 < mnemoc> if you know you can build samething without pacakge foo, remove foo if you don't want foo
03:59 < mnemoc> eg. vim can depend on xf86 libs
04:00 < mnemoc> but it's your choice to insteall cf86 or not
04:00 < mnemoc> - linux24 will remove linux for ever, O linux24 will make it 're-enableable'
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04:15 < mnemoc> gn8 *
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07:21 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | C++ people around, too
07:21 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004]
07:21 [Users #t2]
07:21 [ _martin_] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nullslack] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
07:21 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ praenti ] [ sparc-kly]
07:21 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
07:21 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
07:21 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
07:21 < rxr> rehi
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07:22 < rxr> somehow I got disconnected and not reconnected :-(
07:47 < _martin_> hi rxr
07:47 < rxr> moin _martin_
07:49 < _martin_> Hmm, _martin_ looks not good. It's look like _underlined_
07:49 < rxr> yep ;-)
07:51 < _martin_> Apple need more than a month to read my fax :-(
07:51 < rxr> did you got a response?
07:53 < _martin_> I have phone apple, yesterday: "I have 200mm Fax-Paper on my desktop. I do not yet read your fax." - fine :(
07:55 < rxr> ouch
07:57 < _martin_> so, I drive to university
07:58 * rxr soon, too
08:10 < CIA-9> rene * r4894 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf:
08:10 < CIA-9> * added back a tiny hack to fix a regression (this will be resolved
08:10 < CIA-9> cleanly after my talk today and other contract stuff to do ...)
08:15 < rxr> due to distrowatch our boxed had 9x then usual web traffic ...
08:17 < rxr> well 9x for www. alone ...
08:17 * rxr breakfast ...
08:53 < CIA-9> rene * r4895 /trunk/package/audio/xmms-jack/xmms-jack.desc: * updated xmms-jack (0.10 -> 0.11) - seems to be harder to crash ;-)
08:59 < CIA-9> rene * r4896 /trunk/package/develop/libsigc++/libsigc++.desc: * updated libsigc++ (2.0.1 -> 2.0.6)
09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r4897 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.39 -> 0.40)
09:00 * rxr off into uni - cu
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11:14 < Corlis> hellas
11:24 < Corlis> Hrm. something wrong here with buildstart-variable...
11:29 < Corlis> urm, mkdir command not found? urgh
11:44 < Corlis> weirdo, hrm. cleanup -full resolves problem :(
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12:40 < mnemoc> moin
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13:51 < valentin> moin mnemoc et al
13:54 < mnemoc> moin valentin
13:57 < valentin> how is your project ?
13:58 < mnemoc> i couldn't finish it, but it plays
13:59 < valentin> nice
13:59 < mnemoc> and wins sometimes
13:59 < valentin> agains human players ?
13:59 < mnemoc> newbie human players, yes
13:59 < valentin> the game was go iirc ?
13:59 < mnemoc> yep
13:59 < mnemoc> but 9x9
14:00 < valentin> i am quite a newbie - i managed to win against gnugo at --level 0 on a 9x9 board twice :)
14:00 < mnemoc> =)
14:01 < mnemoc> i forgot to test it against gungo :\
14:01 < mnemoc> in 4 hours the tornament starts... i hope to some matches
14:01 < mnemoc> to win some*
14:03 < valentin> you can use the pre-rounds to train it :)
14:05 < valentin> are all algorithms in the tournament "geneticaly engineered" ?
14:05 < mnemoc> it was a 'bonus'
14:05 < mnemoc> some people choose to hardcode strategies
14:06 < mnemoc> OT: can i use Authz's access file and md5 user files on svnserve ?
14:08 < valentin> that is a question for rxr - i never configured svnserve
14:08 < mnemoc> ok
14:25 < daja77> *sigh* i always lost in go, had just a few games
14:26 < mnemoc> :)
14:26 < mnemoc> it's a very difficult game
14:26 < daja77> yep
14:26 < daja77> but more fun than chess
14:29 < valentin> moin daja77
14:29 < daja77> moin valentin
14:48 < rxr> re
14:48 < valentin> hi rxr
14:49 < rxr> hi all
14:51 < rxr> "Call for Papers" für den LinuxTag 2005
14:51 < rxr> will t2 be present? shoudl we do a t2 talk?
14:51 < valentin> LinuxTag Karlsruhe ?
14:52 < rxr> jup
14:52 < valentin> that is far away in the future ...
14:54 < rxr> call for paper is only due to january ...
14:56 < valentin> when is the Tag ?
14:57 < mnemoc> rxr: what would make it different that a ROCK talk? flaming the differences?
14:59 < valentin> mnemoc: maybe there is no rock talk ...
14:59 < rxr> I think there never was a rock talk beside my inprovisated one ...
14:59 < mnemoc> oh
15:00 < rxr> clifford choosed to prsent is very cool submaster a year ago IIRC ...
15:00 < mnemoc> hehe
15:00 < valentin> no, iirc he did not do that
15:00 < valentin> because they did not want to pay his hotel or so
15:00 < rxr> not this yeat - the year before ... - or maybe it was somewhere else ...
15:01 < rxr> at least I once had to listen to one ...
15:02 < valentin> that was chemniz, wasn't it ?
15:02 < rxr> was it? - maybe ...
15:05 < valentin> to avoid clashes we could talk about system development environment(s) ...
15:13 < rxr> 161 builds total, 161 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:13 < rxr> I just run svn up for a tree 1000 out-of-date ..
15:13 < rxr> so many files changed ;-)
15:27 < rxr> web traffic due to http://distrowatch.com holds on ;-)
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15:33 < madtux> hello
15:34 < rxr> hi madtux
15:34 < madtux> hi rene :)
15:34 < mnemoc> miguel angel
15:34 < rxr> angel?
15:35 < madtux> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:35 < madtux> rxr: yeah thats my name
15:35 < madtux> but i hate it
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15:37 < madtux> i'm still downloading sources for my t2 build
15:37 < madtux> rxr: how are u doing with your isos ? :)
15:48 < rxr> oh - fine ...
15:48 < rxr> should continue uploading them and test them along the lines ..
15:48 < madtux> excellent
15:48 < rxr> but I need to finish to click my example GUI together for this commercial project and write up contract text ...
15:48 < madtux> i hope to be done with my spources download when u have the isos i want to run several builds this week
15:49 < madtux> i understand, please don't let me get in the way with your work
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16:30 < rxr> urgs - ok - I'll not do such a gui ... :
16:30 < rxr> http://www.macobserver.com/images/newreviews/99/991015agfasnapscan/scanwise.jpg
16:34 < madtux>
16:34 < madtux> :)
16:35 < valentin> reminds me of some os/2 color scheme in ugly 8 bit color
17:26 * rxr so crazzy these days that I read the Apple User Interface design goals ...
17:26 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/OSXHIGuidelines.pdf
17:26 < madtux> rxr you were not crazy before?
17:26 < madtux> *g*
17:41 < rxr> the HIG is boring ... - quite blown up text passages
17:41 < rxr> and not including what wanna know ..
17:41 < rxr> at least I now knwo when applications deserve to be brushed metal windows and when not ...
17:42 < rxr> and that I must implement a toolbar hide button and not mess with the top left window close and so on buttons ...
17:43 < rxr> aha - ok:
17:43 < rxr> Carbon is a procedural C interface for Mac OS X. Whether you are writing a new application or porting one from another platform, Carbon is an excellent framework for developing on Mac OS X. If you're developing new applications and prefer an object-oriented interface, be sure to consider Cocoa.
17:44 < rxr> Cocoa is an object-oriented application environment designed specifically for developing Mac OS X-only native applications. The Cocoa frameworks support rapid development and high productivity, ...
17:45 < rxr> ... "These interfaces are in both Objective-C and Java. However, you can integrate code written in other languages into your Cocoa projects, including C++ code and C code."
17:45 < rxr> .oO (when I need to write objective C code I get crazzy)
17:55 < rxr> I think I'll drive to dussman in an hour and review some macosx GUI programming book ...
17:57 < valentin> rxr: guess hugendubel@zoo will have more programming books
18:03 < rxr> nope
18:03 < rxr> dussman as far more ..
18:04 < rxr> hugendubel sucks more and more ..
18:04 < rxr> the last two times I did not even found a reall C++ book there - just the dau user data becker and co stuff ...
18:04 < rxr> and dussman you get most o reilly and such books ...
18:04 < rxr> and the real professional ones - nut just the luser stuff ...
18:05 < valentin> last time i searched hugendubel they had adison wes. and o reilly, too
18:07 < rxr> only some o reilly - maybe this was not the one @ zoo?
18:07 < rxr> and dussmann is opened until 22:00 and I do not need to chain the train ...
18:08 < rxr> btw. do you have the time to finish the pkgtutorial?
18:08 < rxr> (and I can listen to some CDs on the way out or so)
18:08 < valentin> ok
18:08 < valentin> anyone here knows a good ascii to html convertor ?
18:09 < rxr> just hack the tiny sed expression to do the usual used ones like:
18:09 < rxr> <> and such ..
18:11 < valentin> ok
18:22 < rxr> usually even
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18:49 < kensai> rxr hi
18:52 * rxr testbuilding for ia64 now ...
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19:40 < rxr> AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
19:40 < rxr> still cross toolchain regressions I overlooked ...
19:42 * rxr rebooting into macosx soon ...
20:32 < rxr> there are days where I wonder what ugly works someone managed to hide in the t2^Wrock scripts ..
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21:12 < rxr> ohm - on developer.apple.com there is - you will not believe this - a "cocoa 3d modelling sample that uses Quake 2 models for data" ...
21:13 < rxr> urghs
21:14 < rxr> in the interface builder from apple there is a attribute window where an text label is shortened to "Backgrnd Color"
21:14 < rxr> how user friendly ans stylish ...
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21:20 < nullslack> rxr, when bulding from minimal template, what is used? glibc or dietlibc?
21:21 < rxr> glibc
21:21 < rxr> and dietlibs built just for the fun of it ,-)
21:22 < nullslack> rxr, how will i pass the option to build for dietlibc
21:22 < nullslack> !> make[1]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1
21:23 < nullslack> make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
21:23 < rxr> nullslack: what?
21:24 < nullslack> rxr, if i wanted to use dietlibc instead of glibc
21:24 < nullslack> those are the error output from the build
21:25 < nullslack> gcc
21:25 < rxr> where did you choose to use dietlibc?
21:26 < rxr> you are aware that is it for embedded style application use only?
21:26 < rxr> e.g. some stuff wilk not build with it yet, and some stuff might show run-time errors ...
21:26 < rxr> e.g. no X yet ...
21:26 < rxr> and gcc and perl are known to not function 100% properly yet ...
21:27 < nullslack> rxr, oh ic...it is included by default with the minimal template
21:28 < rxr> it is used by certain stuff - e.g. the initrc binary, optionally be udev and so on ...
21:28 < rxr> not for the whole system
21:28 < rxr> did you enable to use dietlibc globally ?
21:29 < nullslack> rxr, hmmm in the Config?
21:29 < rxr> yes - there is an option for it ...
21:29 < rxr> so you did not hit it ... ? (I hope ...)
21:30 < rxr> which stage package combination fails on your side?
21:31 < nullslack> is the option this one --> ( ) Diet LibC based System (EXPERIMENTAL)
21:32 < rxr> yes
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23:11 < madtux> praenti: 0_o
23:11 < madtux> hello :)
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05:30 < jeru> rxr: welcome back :)
05:30 < jeru> what was wrong ?
05:30 < rxr> never reboot a system with a defect init ...
05:30 < rxr> no idea how I crippled it ...
05:30 < rxr> but massive t2 tinkering without reboot in 13x days or what it was might explain it ..
05:30 < jeru> but you have luck because the machine was near by ;)
05:30 < jeru> had
05:32 < rxr> re
05:32 < rxr> so
05:33 < rxr> hehe ,-)
05:33 < rxr> of course I would not have tried that on a production server somewhere ...
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06:10 < minto_> hi *
06:13 < jeru> hi minto_ :)
06:14 < minto_> Hi jeru, how is your bunny doing?
06:14 < jeru> minto_: which one ?
06:14 < jeru> :)
06:14 < minto_> You have more than one?
06:14 < jeru> the small one is hanging around with me ...
06:15 < jeru> the big one is away visiting a friend
06:15 < jeru> ;)
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06:15 < jeru> minto_: hope you're not confused now ...
06:16 < minto_> I am. If the big one is a girl, you might be in for a surprise some day? ;-)
06:16 < cyrus82> hello! i have problems building the iproute2 packe from 2.1.0-beta4. (i'm new to t2)
06:16 < cyrus82> cone somebody help me?
06:17 < minto_> Hi cyrus82, what is your problem?
06:17 < jeru> cyrus82: what exactly is your problem ?
06:18 < cyrus82> i did scripts/Build-Target -cfg system and the build stops after trying to build the iproute2 package
06:19 < cyrus82> (i did the things written in quick-start)
06:20 < jeru> cyrus82: at what stage the build aborted
06:20 < keinek> hi
06:21 < minto_> Hi keinek
06:21 < cyrus82> i think after compiling... while installing
06:22 < cyrus82> .../iproute2.conf: line 23: install_init: command not found :(
06:22 < cyrus82> what ist install_init?
06:22 < jeru> cyrus82: what target do you use ?
06:23 < cyrus82> bootdisk
06:24 < jeru> cyrus82: try this from the t2 base dir: echo build/system*/var/adm/logs/*.err
06:24 < cyrus82> but i removed iproute2 from the packages file now, because i think i won't need it
06:24 < cyrus82> i did that allready, jeru
06:25 < jeru> and what's displayed ?
06:26 < cyrus82> .../iproute2.conf: line 23: install_init: command not found
06:26 < cyrus82> and more...
06:27 < cyrus82> hm...sysfiles does stop, too
06:28 < cyrus82> with the same error: install_init command not found
06:28 < cyrus82> i chose minit instead of sysvinit... could it be that this is the problem?
06:29 < jeru> cyrus82: yes
06:29 < cyrus82> ok.. i'll change this
06:30 < cyrus82> it works now
06:31 < jeru> cyrus82: :)
06:32 < cyrus82> i'll have a bootable installation cd when i'm finished, right?
06:32 < jeru> yep
06:32 < jeru> cyrus82: have you build another target ?
06:32 < cyrus82> no
06:33 < jeru> cyrus82: what do you want to install ?
06:34 < cyrus82> i want to have a minimal but modern linux installation with developemnt toolchain. and then i want to compile and install all my application by hand
06:35 < cyrus82> and the core system should be updatedable... i hope i can to that with t2
06:37 < jeru> cyrus82: sure, but why do you want to install your apps by hand ?
06:38 < cyrus82> to have the maximum control about everything
06:38 < cyrus82> but if t2 has something like a repository or a package manager, i'll try it
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06:42 < cyrus82> sorry, i got disconnected
06:43 < cyrus82> did i miss anything?
06:43 < jeru> cyrus82: nope ;)
06:44 < cyrus82> ok
06:45 < cyrus82> does it take longer to build the bootdisc or to build the system ?
06:45 < jeru> cyrus82: mostly the system ... it depends on the selected target
06:45 < cyrus82> seem that the bootdisc will contain a lot of software i don't need
06:47 < jeru> cyrus82: btw, you can replace "system" with any name for your build e.g. ./scripts/Config -cfg foo
06:48 < jeru> and building it with ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg foo
06:48 < cyrus82> ok, but how do i install it? do i HAVE to make an installtion cd?
06:54 < cyrus82> why is Build-Target -cfg bootdisc building glibc again now?
06:54 < cyrus82> i though i did this already with Build-Target -cfg system
06:55 < jeru> cyrus82: because it's a different target
06:56 < cyrus82> so i didn't have to do Build-Target -cfg system before creating a bootdisk?
06:57 < jeru> cyrus82: no ... every target is build for its own
06:58 < jeru> cyrus82: but of course you can just build the bootdisk and burn it on cd
06:59 < cyrus82> do i have to to this to install a new system?
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07:18 < rxr> ?
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