--- Log opened Mon Nov 08 00:00:05 2004 00:12 < valentin> as far as i understand those fsking makefile they use $CC -M for dependency generation 00:12 < valentin> still no idea why the source is copied in that one special case 00:16 < valentin> is there something like xtrace for makefiles ? 00:18 < valentin> i know make -n but that is not sufficient here 00:20 * valentin soon away 00:24 < valentin> gn8 00:25 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@66.50.157.59] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:29 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@66.50.157.59] has joined #t2 00:35 < rxr> hi 00:35 * rxr virtually kicks the damned schilly 00:35 < rxr> just had to phone with my brother to find out that his new cd-burning problem is due to recent cdrecord crap ... 00:37 < rxr> valentin: the sparc32 stage2 gcc is not crunching it's java stuff ... 00:41 < CIA-8> rene * r4615 /trunk/package/kde/koffice/koffice.conf: * fixed koffice build for our recent python - only partly tested 00:50 < rxr> hm cool, extracting just the audio stream from a video is quite intuitiv with ffmpeg ... 01:00 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@66.50.157.59] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:02 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@64.237.129.18] has joined #t2 01:05 < rxr> oh my god, not even xmms resamples the 48kHz file correctly 01:05 * rxr really has to push gsmp stuff higher in the .todo file ... 01:05 < rxr> so /me in bed - n8 all 01:06 < rxr> ah, in the case anyone wants to fix errors: 01:06 < rxr> [5] e17/efsd [5] e17/elicit 01:06 < rxr> [5] e17/entrance [5] audio/gsmp 01:06 < rxr> [5] graphic/pixieplus [5] gnome14/gtkhtml10 01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/xmp [5] gnome2/gedit-plugins 01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/nvrec [5] gnome2/gkrellm-plugins 01:06 < rxr> [5] perl/mysql-perl [5] perl/perl-dbd-postgresq 01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/vstserver [5] multimedia/kaxtv 01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/mythtv [5] multimedia/vdr 01:06 < rxr> [5] fonts/mplayer-fonts [5] multimedia/avview 01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/ladspa-swh-plugins [5] audio/ladspa-vst 01:06 < rxr> [5] audio/ardour [5] multimedia/transcode 01:06 < rxr> [5] gnome2/gnomemeeting [5] base/quota 01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/ripperx [5] multimedia/vls 01:06 < rxr> [5] multimedia/ggrab [5] gnome2/gnucash 01:06 < rxr> [5] develop/mono-develop [5] multimedia/dvgrab 01:06 < rxr> [5] develop/ocs [5] x11/rivatv 01:06 < rxr> [5] develop/stlport 01:24 < rxr> hm - I'm still impressed by the bad quality of this concert broadcase ... 01:24 < rxr> inbelievable how f*cked up the frequency profile is, and how much high frequency noise is in it ... 01:24 < rxr> well, me off, really this time 02:21 -!- MuBEX_ [~sparc-kly@66.50.160.122] has joined #t2 02:22 -!- MuBEX_ is now known as sparc-kly 02:25 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@64.237.129.18] has quit [Read error: 232 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:44 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@66.50.160.122] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:44 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.205.215.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 03:44 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 03:44 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Nov 7 16:41:27 2004] 03:44 [Users #t2] 03:44 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ martin_] [ mtr] [ rxr_ ] 03:44 [ CIA-8 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin] 03:44 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 03:44 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 03:44 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 03:44 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 04:01 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.226.72.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:02 -!- martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba2528.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:39 -!- martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba0340.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 04:49 -!- mtross [~michael@H9bea.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 04:56 -!- mtr [~michael@Ha73e.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:11 -!- mtross is now known as mtr 08:55 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mtr, CIA-8 08:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mtr, CIA-8 09:01 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mtr, CIA-8 09:01 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mtr, CIA-8 09:32 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mtr, CIA-8 09:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-8 09:42 -!- mtr [~michael@H9bea.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 10:10 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mtr 10:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mtr 10:24 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:24 < rxr> moin 10:25 < rxr> [1] base/linux26 [1] base/linux24 10:25 < rxr> [1] sparc/silo 10:25 < rxr> 954 builds total, 106 completed fine, 3 with errors. 10:25 < rxr> `- sparc build, now at 5-gcc 10:29 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@p508EA919.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 10:45 < martin_> re 10:51 < rxr> moin martin_ 10:55 < CIA-8> rene * r4616 /trunk/package/extra/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.2 -> 0.5.9) 10:58 < CIA-8> rene * r4617 /trunk/package/ (extra/libidn/ network/libidn/): * moved libidn from extra into network 11:13 < rxr> inux26 [1] base/linux24 11:13 < rxr> 10:25 < rxr> [1] sparc/silo 11:13 < rxr> 10:25 < rxr> 954 builds total, 106 completed fine, 3 with errors. 11:13 < rxr> oops sorry 11:39 < valentin> moin 11:55 < rxr> moin 11:56 < rxr> sparc still building 5-gcc 12:07 < valentin> at least it is a 5 12:07 < valentin> mine still sut 12:07 < valentin> mine still stuck in 1-glibc 12:14 < valentin> this suse workstation sucks 12:23 < rxr> you are already in ah??? 12:23 < rxr> wondering 12:23 < rxr> yeah, seems we have a fresh t2, sparc32 v8 optimized build, soon 12:35 < valentin> yes i am in AH 12:38 < CIA-8> rene * r4618 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.desc: * updated sweep (0.8.2 -> 0.8.3) 12:38 < rxr> quite early :-) 12:49 < valentin> jep - i left the house with K today 12:49 < valentin> she is working near AH 13:06 < CIA-8> rene * r4619 /trunk/package/audio/audacity/audacity.desc: * updated audacity (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2) 13:09 < jsaw> re 13:09 < jsaw> hi all 13:16 < rxr> valentin: ah, great news ... 13:16 < rxr> hi jsaw 13:16 < jsaw> hi there 13:17 < rxr> == 09:42:43 =[5]=> Building base/gcc [3.3.3 2.1.0-beta]. 13:17 < rxr> == 11/08/04 13:07:04 =[5]=> Finished building package gcc. 13:17 < rxr> 954 builds total, 111 completed fine, 3 with errors. 13:18 < rxr> `- sparc 13:18 < rxr> with an downdated gcc, due to 3.4.x misoptimizes (or so) the glibc's dynamic loader 13:18 < rxr> to be investigated in depth later 13:19 < jsaw> just checked dvb-t availability in Heidelberg, hey I'm inside one of three green (roof antenna) areas... (the areas are about 500x500 sqm) 13:21 < jsaw> rxr: is this the same effect I reported yesterday_ 13:21 < jsaw> ? 13:21 < jsaw> (uninitialized jumps in the dynamic loader) 13:21 < rxr> you mean your valgrind stuff? 13:22 < rxr> but you glibc works, doesn't it? 13:22 < rxr> on sparc the dynamic loader is segmentation faulting ... 13:22 < jsaw> I have hard lockups once in a while 13:22 < rxr> might be related, but must not ... 13:22 < jsaw> (which I never had before) 13:22 < jsaw> (on this machine I should add) 13:26 < rxr> hard lockup of the wohle machine 13:26 < rxr> aka kernel freeze ? 13:27 < rxr> user space stuff (including glibc) must never be able to lockup a machine, thus it should be rather kernel related ... 13:27 < jsaw> I looks more like X server freeze. But I can't check, have to possibility to ssh from another box currently 13:27 < rxr> is X running? 13:27 < rxr> then it might be X ... 13:27 < jsaw> s/have to/have no/ 13:28 < rxr> due to it's direct hardware access, a graphic chip can lock up the PCI bus when imperfectly accessed ... 13:29 < jsaw> yep... remembers me of the time when my PC (with nvidia) was still running 13:30 < jsaw> well, once a build is ready I'm gonna upgrade... if it still persists I'm gonna investigate further 13:31 < jsaw> ./configure: line 20487: test: too many arguments 13:31 < jsaw> configure: warning: Could not locate Cyrus SASL 13:31 < jsaw> configure: warning: SASL authentication not supported! 13:31 < jsaw> ouch 13:31 < jsaw> (openldap) 13:35 < rxr> hm 13:35 < jsaw> missing quotes 13:36 < jsaw> oh, more problematic than I thought... still it doesn't correctly identify sasl 13:37 * rxr away -> uni 13:37 < jsaw> cu 14:05 -!- CIA-8 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:05 -!- CIA-8 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 14:18 < CIA-8> jsaw * r4620 /trunk/package/network/openldap/ (openldap.conf openldap.desc sasl2.patch): 14:18 < CIA-8> * update openldap (2.2.17 -> 2.2.18) 14:18 < CIA-8> * fix sasl2 patch (sasl2 was not identified correctly anymore) 14:18 < CIA-8> * remove "make depend" as it screwed compilation 14:24 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@66.50.160.122] has joined #t2 15:04 -!- tschmidt_ [~tschmidt@p508EA3ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 15:10 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@p508EA919.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:33 -!- mtr [~michael@H9bea.h.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:46 < mnemoc> moin 15:47 < sparc-kly|wifi> moin 15:47 < sparc-kly|wifi> Rocklinux vs sourcemage 15:47 < sparc-kly|wifi> cual es la diferencia? 15:48 < mnemoc> afaik sourcemage is a distribution 15:48 < mnemoc> rock (and t2) aren't 15:53 < CIA-8> rene * r4621 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/qemu.conf: 15:53 < CIA-8> * removed explicit target specification from qemu, so all default targets 15:53 < CIA-8> are build 15:54 < mnemoc> rxr: any comments about sourcemage to sparc-kly ? 16:06 < CIA-8> rene * r4622 /trunk/package/network/kismet/ (kismet.desc pcap-bpf_location.patch): * updated kismset (2004-04-R1 -> 2004-10-R1) 16:09 < mnemoc> rxr: how did you fixed diet thing? 16:23 < mnemoc> uhm dietlibc is odd 16:24 < mnemoc> first time i do Build-Target, bootdisk failed _after_ linuxrc because of the absense of modules.dep 16:25 < mnemoc> i run Build-Target again and now i get headers problem again 16:25 < mnemoc> -> Create linuxrc binary. 16:25 < mnemoc> In file included from /usr/src/rock/t2-trunk/build/boot-2.1.0-beta-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert/usr/include/stdio.h:72, 16:25 < mnemoc> from /usr/src/rock/t2-trunk/target/bootdisk/linuxrc.c:32: 16:25 < mnemoc> /usr/src/rock/t2-trunk/build/boot-2.1.0-beta-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert/usr/include/libio.h:476: error: parse error before "__gnuc_va_list" 16:45 -!- CIA-8 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:45 -!- CIA-8 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 18:03 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@66.50.160.122] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:24 -!- mtr [~michael@H9bea.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 19:37 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.51] has joined #t2 19:39 < rxr> re 19:40 -!- tschmidt_ [~tschmidt@p508EA3ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 19:40 < rxr> sparc now at xorg ... 19:41 < rxr> == 17:39:25 =[5]=> Building x11/xorg [6.8.1 2.1.0-beta]. 19:41 < rxr> [1] base/linux26 [1] base/linux24 19:41 < rxr> [1] sparc/silo [5] archiver/ncompress 19:41 < rxr> 954 builds total, 180 completed fine, 4 with errors. 19:51 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:51 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 20:41 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@65-23-193-94.prtc.net] has joined #t2 20:42 < martin_> ewhi 20:42 < martin_> rehi 20:57 < rxr> hi martin_ 21:40 < martin_> rxr DHCP will not work :-( 21:44 < rxr> i can take a look tomorrow 21:44 < martin_> But i will turn of my iBook now. Good night all .. 21:44 < martin_> ups, yeh, yes ... tommorrow is a good idea 21:45 < rxr> n8 martin_ 21:45 < martin_> gn8 rxr 21:45 < rxr> martin_: 21:45 < rxr> typo ... :-( 21:51 < rxr> I have cutted the commercials and normalized the files ... 21:51 < rxr> of the jaenette concert, to you want a prehershall 21:54 < valentin> rxr: this chat is logged 21:55 < rxr> oops, not query ... 21:55 < rxr> i can remove that line ;-) 21:55 < valentin> why - you have used your analog vhs tape recorder, didn't you ? *g* 21:56 < rxr> no I used the low-quality mp2 broadcasted over the sky 21:56 < rxr> iit already was low-quality and got it even more after the mp2 encoding 22:00 < daja77> iirc you are allowed to record 22:01 < rxr> afaik, too 22:03 < rxr> I just wanted to point out that is is even worser than a analog copy ... :-( 22:03 < daja77> the is no word worser ... 22:04 < daja77> there* 22:04 < valentin> daja77: allowed to record - but how about sharing digital recordings over the net ? 22:04 < rxr> quality 22:04 < rxr> most stuff I recorded with a Yamaha MiniDisc recorder from a normal analog satelite broadcast sounded better 22:04 < rxr> valentin: over the net? nope 22:04 < daja77> valentin: that might be different 22:05 < rxr> valentin: you have to walk over and bring either a MD or tape with you ... 22:05 < valentin> just wait another two years, and everything will be illegal 22:05 < rxr> but person recordings are still allowed ... 22:05 < valentin> _still_ 22:06 < valentin> wait for Uhrheberrechtsnovelle III 22:06 < rxr> so e.g. when you come over you might even get it via IEEE1394, ethernet or 802.11b ... 22:06 < valentin> Urheber... even 22:06 < rxr> yeah, /me waiting for that .. 22:09 < rxr> the sad thing is, that this concert cut was a commercial for the DVD edition 22:09 < rxr> if the DVD has the same poor audio quality, I can not imagine who would buy it ... 22:10 < valentin> well, then they'll mistake your recording for a dvd copy and you get into prison :/ 22:10 < rxr> even most of my amateur 4-track tape recordings or even the one microphone mini-disk concert recordings are better ... 22:11 < rxr> no, they are allready post-processed - my ears hurted listening to the poor quality they have been before ... 22:11 < daja77> you made me to switch into it and made my ears hurt too 22:11 < rxr> in addition I had to power up my amp quite a lot, since it was so silent, normalizing nearly increased the volume by 10dB .... 22:13 < rxr> I bet at each over-loud commercial my neighbors dropt from the chairs ... 22:14 < rxr> (and my ears hurted) 22:14 * daja77 got that episode III trailer but it is poor 22:14 < rxr> I watched it on Pro7, but it was only quite short ... 22:15 < rxr> and no, I did not made an on-disk copy, :-) 22:15 < daja77> got a pro7 recording 22:15 < rxr> hm, analog one? here the quality over dvb-t was really good, just the concert was miserable 22:19 < rxr> valentin: should I apply at the media cooperation managing this jeanette s.th.? According to her homepage it is located in berlin ... - We would have some money and time for gsmp development then ;-) 22:19 < daja77> dunno if it was analog, i did not make the recording 22:19 < rxr> and the next recording would not suck that much *g* 22:19 < rxr> over dvb-t it was g 22:19 < rxr> oops 22:20 < rxr> very sharp, high quality, normal movie style, 16:9 and I think even surround ... 22:20 < valentin> rxr: contact them - you can give them our christian-child-songs cd as a reference 22:24 < CIA-8> rene * r4623 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/sparc-kbd.patch: 22:24 < CIA-8> * fixed xorg build on sparc - not yet tested in-build and not 22:24 < CIA-8> checked for other regressions 22:24 < rxr> I thought about exumation *g* 22:25 < rxr> but also falk's jazz concerts apply as candiate, and the quality is amazing, especially comparted to this tv-broadcast, we do not need to tell them that only one microphone and MD player was used for the recording g 22:26 < rxr> valentin: btw, svn up for your sparc build .. 22:26 < valentin> why ? 22:27 < valentin> for xorg ? 22:27 < rxr> xorg fix ... 22:27 < rxr> (for the time when you fixed glibc ...) 22:27 < valentin> i would be glad if i got a working 64-bit stage 2 22:27 < rxr> how much time to you estimate to put into that over the next days? 22:28 < valentin> i wanted to spend at most half of the day (for day in di do fr) 22:29 < valentin> tue thu fri even 22:29 < valentin> for the international folks 22:34 < rxr> X on a OpenGL only implementation is cooking quite on the x.org list today .. 22:38 < daja77> .oO (snooker rocks) 22:38 < rxr> daja77: ? 22:39 < rxr> Applying adjustment of 1.77dB to jaenette5.wav... 22:39 < daja77> just watching it on eurosport 22:39 -!- mtr [~michael@H9bea.h.pppool.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 22:40 < rxr> daja77: yeah, did so last year - and wondered how one can play the ball so precicely ... 22:40 < daja77> yep 22:41 < daja77> the wm this year was great 22:41 < rxr> ouhm - now this damn program destroyed the .wav ... 22:42 * rxr needs to work on gsmp ... 22:45 < rxr> valentin: U30 load here: 22:45 < rxr> top - 22:45:52 up 3 days, 12:21, 10 users, load average: 3.11, 2.92, 2.45 22:45 < rxr> Tasks: 101 total, 4 running, 97 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie 22:45 < rxr> Cpu(s): 91.5% user, 8.5% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle, 0.0% IO-wait 23:16 < CIA-8> rene * r4624 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/sparc-kbd.patch: 23:16 < CIA-8> * fixed the just comitted xorg patch, I should actually start the 23:16 < CIA-8> build for hand edited patches to review if they apply ... 23:16 < rxr> `- valentin ... 23:18 < valentin> what ? 23:20 < rxr> xorg sparc fix 23:20 < rxr> because /me was too stupid to commit an applyable patch 23:20 < valentin> ok, me away now 23:21 < rxr> n8 - sleep well to gather strength fo the glibc fight 23:21 < valentin> it is just compiling. my sparc is sheduled for power down in 120 minutes 23:21 < valentin> if you want to log in before and take a look 23:21 < valentin> cu 23:22 < rxr> in 120 minutes? 23:22 < rxr> that might not be enough for the build ... 23:22 < rxr> why not loop for a low cpu load? 23:22 < rxr> or I usually just cut 23:22 < rxr> 'n paste the shutdown in the terminal the make is running ... :-) 23:26 < valentin> rxr: it runs for more than two hours now 23:26 < valentin> at least i'll know if the error is still there. 23:26 < valentin> gn8 23:29 < rxr> cool: 23:29 < rxr> The PPC Diagnostics project provides hardware diagnostics for embedded Power PC-based systems (particularly the 855/860T series). These diagnostics include SDRAM, NVRAM, ethernet, and LED tests. They support power-up and burn-in testing, and store error log information for unattended operation. Additionally, system journal information may be stored in NVRAM for recording modification history, the serial number, and board revision information. 23:53 < CIA-8> rene * r4625 /trunk/package/graphic/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 23:53 < CIA-8> * updated sane-frontends (1.0.12 -> 1.0.13) 23:53 < CIA-8> * updated sane-backends (1.0.14 -> 1.0.15) 23:56 -!- sparc-kly|wifi [~sparc-kly@65-23-193-94.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:57 < rxr> n8 all --- Log closed Tue Nov 09 00:00:19 2004