--- Log opened Sat Oct 30 00:00:57 2004
00:01 < valentin> mnemoc: but this has nothing to do with the glibc issue, does it ?
00:02 < valentin> what target/architecture do you compile ?
00:03 < mnemoc> valentin: yes?
00:03 < mnemoc> bootdisk/pmmx
00:03 < mnemoc> valentin: do i commit --without-__thread?
00:07 < valentin> what exactly does this option change ? disabling pthreads ?
00:07 < mnemoc> no idea o_O
00:08 < mnemoc> that was the suggestion of http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2004-10/msg00074.html
00:08 < valentin> pthreads are quite essential, if you turn them off we will get even more issues
00:08  * mnemoc doing a new fresh build of bootdisk/pmmx
00:09 < mnemoc> (with --without-__thread)
00:09 < valentin> maybe it is ok for bootdisk, but i would 1) evaluate that and 2) ask rene before commiting that
00:10 < mnemoc> ok
00:10 < mnemoc> after bootdisk i'll start a more complete target
00:10 < valentin> but maybe this __thread thing is sth different
00:10 < valentin> ok. Do you use svn:HEAD ?
00:10 < mnemoc> yep
00:11 < valentin> i'll try to start a full desktop build on sparc in a few hours
00:11 < valentin> but now i have to come to bed, otherwise my gf gets angry ...
00:12 < valentin> poor me *g*
00:12 < mnemoc> :)
00:12 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow
00:12 < valentin> cu and gn8
00:13 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 
01:04 < rxr> re
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07:40 < _martin__>  /user
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10:24 < rxr__> re
10:24 < rxr__> moin all
10:24 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:29 < blindcoder> moin rxr
10:44 < blindcoder> and here I was, thinking that two implementations of blowfish would be compatible :/
10:44 < rxr> hm?
10:45 < blindcoder> rxr: in LVP, since pkgforking was introduced, the loop-aes patches weren't applied to the kernel anymore. Thus the decrytion of encrypted LVPs resulted in minor errors
10:45 < blindcoder> shifting of a few bits here and there
10:46 < blindcoder> causing major havoc when trying to access the encrypted data :/
10:46 < blindcoder> wrong filenames, screwed up .xml files and so on and so forth
10:47 < blindcoder> but without really failing
11:09 < valentin> moin and happy birthday rxr
11:15 < daja77> happy birthday rxr
11:15  * daja77 waves from dresden
11:16 < valentin> hi daja77, how is the exhibition ?
11:19 < daja77> quite difficult for me, but got breakfast now ;)
12:15 < blindcoder> hi daja77, valentin 
12:15  * blindcoder having lunch after ~50 minutes of cooking
12:15 < daja77> giftnuss is here ^^
12:26 < blindcoder> anyone hungry?
12:26 < daja77> <-
12:26 < blindcoder> I still have meat for ~2 people and soup for ~3
12:26 < daja77> bring it to dresden! :)
12:26 < blindcoder> hmm
12:27 < blindcoder> 2.5h driving
12:27 < blindcoder> it would be cold by then
12:27 < daja77> it is already cold
12:27 < blindcoder> ?
12:27 < blindcoder> no
12:27 < daja77> damn cold here
12:27 < daja77> git food anyway ^^
12:28 < blindcoder> :P
12:30 < daja77> hey i thought you had no time today?
12:30 < blindcoder> exactly, I need to be somewhere at 1530
12:30 < valentin> blindcoder: me hungry !!
12:30 < daja77> oh hf then
14:25 < rxr> thanks for all the birthday congratulation ;-)
14:30  * daja77 just got confused for a subversion dev
14:43 < mnemoc_> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption: 0x080556b0 ***
14:43 < mnemoc_> /ROCK/src.groff.1099097914.5044.3509406419/groff-1.19/src/roff/groff/groff: grn: Aborted
14:43 < mnemoc_> Line  -- Unclosed block, footnote, or other diversion (|k)
14:43 < mnemoc_> make[2]: *** [grnexmpl.ps] Error 2
14:43 < mnemoc_> cute, isn't it?
14:44 < rxr> ouch, this is very cute 
14:44 < mnemoc_> moin!
14:44 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 
14:44 < mnemoc_> moin rxr
14:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: how many new regressions do you have due to the updated glibc?
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: I also just started a fresh new x86 build for reference ... 
14:48 < mnemoc_> linux24 and binutils on bootdisk
14:48 < mnemoc_> and glibc itself, which i fixed with a --without-__thread
14:49 < rxr> binutils fail ?
14:49 < mnemoc_> stage2
14:50  * mnemoc_ starting a new bootdisk and poordesktop without --without-__thread and last trunk
14:50 < mnemoc_> bbl
15:31 < rxr> I get the same glibc problem on E
15:31 < rxr> HEAD and athlon optimization
15:31 < mnemoc_> undefined _res and _errno?
16:14 < mnemoc_>  --without-__thread      do not use TLS features even when supporting them
16:14 < mnemoc_> this fixs that, do you see any sideefect?
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17:47 < madtux> hola mnemoc
17:47 < mnemoc_> hola
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18:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: go and commit it </(
18:48 < rxr> ouch valentin switch my keyboard layout to us ... should have been :-) ...
20:06 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:52 < mnemoc_> ok
20:55 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4485 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * glibc --without-__thread seems to be needed to declare _res and _errno
20:59 < rxr> re
20:59 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4486 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.in: * mnemosyne target improved to use pkgsel_parse
21:00 < mnemoc_> bootdisk/pmmx at 3-groff without errors
21:01 < mnemoc_> poordesktop(mnemosyne-based)/pmmx at 1-curl without errors
21:01 < mnemoc_> both pkgsel:O linux24
21:03 < mnemoc_> bootdisk's 3-groff failed again
21:03 < rxr> hi mnemoc_ 
21:03 < mnemoc_> with the same cute error i shows this morning
21:03 < rxr> this party is fading out right now ...
21:03 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
21:03 < rxr> so I'm at hacking in 20 minutes or so - maybe at least ...
21:03 < mnemoc_> what are you doing pluged on a party?
21:03 < mnemoc_> :)
21:04 < rxr> hm?
21:04 < mnemoc_> hm what?
21:14 < blindcoder> grah, this commit-email.pl is driving me nuts
21:15 < blindcoder> it is absolutely definately totally not suited to be used as e-mail notifier
21:16 < mnemoc_> uhm?
21:17 < blindcoder> after a day of "correcting" that script it finally sends mail halfway reliably
21:18 < blindcoder> when you tag a release, it lists each and every file in the subject (exceeding the 32k limit without a second thought)
21:19 < mnemoc_> o_O
21:20 < blindcoder> o_O indeed
21:45 < rxr> blindcoder: no, it does has this bug here - and a tag should only list one file A tags/bla-bla ...
21:45 < rxr> no idea what you do to your subversion ... :-)
21:56 < rxr> re
21:56 < rxr> so - now a bit hacking before the sleep cycle
21:57 < mnemoc_> groff groff groff :)
21:57 < rxr> well, whether it is groff and not glibc itself is the question ...
21:58 < mnemoc_> i guess groff, but the change was glibc
22:01 < rxr> would be cool if you could look into it ...
22:01 < rxr> I have some other stuff in my queue - first I plan to look into powerpc cross build issues 
22:01 < mnemoc_> ok :)
22:02 < rxr> then I have a quite ugly libaudio.so relocation corruption or so in conjunction with k3b on my list (on powerpc) - my brother is already calling once a day to get this bug fixed ... :-(
22:05 < rxr> and in the cross fixing stuff I setup a the regression tester stuff I have here to get my nice graphs and info I did for ROCK - but this time for t2, of course ...
22:05 < rxr> so we get weekly automated stats and recognize regressions earlier ...
22:19 < mnemoc_> cool graphs :)
22:24 < rxr> ok - I start with cleaning
22:24 < rxr> up glibc
22:24 < mnemoc_> cleaning up what?
22:25 < rxr> random config option injection, and nptl vs. non. nptl ...
22:25 < rxr> as well as adding nptl support on the way ...
22:25 < rxr> look at the glibc.conf - it is a historic mess
22:26 < mnemoc_> he
22:34 < rxr> ok - testing new glibc.conf ... ;-)
22:35 < rxr> s/new/a bit cleaned/ of course ;-) not yet a 100% redone - since we want 2.1 soon ...
22:35 < mnemoc_> http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/2004-February/042757.html <--- this is my error
22:35 < mnemoc_> glibc's answer is nicer now
22:37 < mnemoc_> why am i using NTPL? --without-__threads?
22:37 < mnemoc_> NPTL*
22:38 < rxr> hm - according to our config it should not be used in your scenario 
22:38 < mnemoc_> bootdisk and poordesktop failed due to the same
22:39 < rxr> in some minutes you get a config option whether to enable nptl ;-)
22:40 < mnemoc_> :D
22:40 < rxr> so you could - if you have the free minutes - test if one of those builds correctly ...
22:41 < mnemoc_> i don't have much time to trace bugs, but i have no problem with Cleanup -full & Build-Target
22:41 < rxr> ok - but this is enought
22:41 < rxr> I ping you when we have the option - and you start two builds ;-)
22:41 < mnemoc_> deal :)
22:48 < rxr> == 10/30/04 22:49:04 =[0]=> Finished building package glibc.
22:50 < mnemoc_> CIA-9?
22:50 < rxr> not committed yet ...
22:53 < rxr> I need a faster AMD box ...
23:02 < rxr> ok - now it is in
23:03 < CIA-9> rene * r4487 /trunk/package/base/glibc/ (config-400.hlp config-400.in glibc.conf): 
23:03 < CIA-9> * addd TLS and NPTL support (as config option, default off ...) to glibc
23:03 < CIA-9> * cleanup of glibc.conf on the way (including the deletion of historic
23:03 < CIA-9>  noise)
23:03 < CIA-9> * added help texts on the way
23:03 < rxr> mnemoc_: ok - do not yet test it - I just got an error .. - mom
23:03  * mnemoc_ waiting...
23:04 < rxr> might take some minutes - just continue coding whatever you did right now ;-)
23:04 < mnemoc_> =)
23:09 < rxr> hm
23:10 < rxr> do you have a non-rock and non-t2 box somewhere (e.g. suse redhat whatever)?
23:11 < rxr> I need to review s.th. ...
23:13 < mnemoc_> none
23:13 < mnemoc_> only rock around
23:15 < mnemoc_> OT: can i have more than one config*.in on a package?
23:15 < rxr> hm - and the freebsd box on the uni cot reinstalled and I have no new account yet :-(
23:16 < rxr> yes, it should be possible - if it does not work it is a bug that should be fixed ...
23:18 < rxr> hm - I just browse the debian package site
23:18 < rxr> the debian packages suck majorly - parts of normal packages are that ugly spread over several sub-packages :-(
23:20 < mnemoc_> debian need to use a DBK :
23:20 < mnemoc_> or SDE as you named it
23:21 < rxr> distribution is very misleading
23:22 < rxr> we noticed this on the linux world expo - most people think about boxed cd's only when you talk about it
23:22 < rxr> and s.th. you pass around, s.th. to "distribute"
23:22 < rxr> in fact the output of s.th. like t2 is often y
23:22 < rxr> oops
23:22 < rxr> s.th. you do not distribute at all
23:23 < rxr> run on in-house servers or deeply hidden in embedded products ..
23:26 < mnemoc_> gentoo is a system development enviroment
23:26 < rxr> why? gentoo is just a source distribution *g* ;-)
23:32 < CIA-9> rene * r4488 /trunk/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
23:32 < CIA-9> * tweaked the priority of the linux24* packages to build after linux26
23:32 < CIA-9>  (and also glibc) so *libc broken builds stop earlier during debugging ;-)
23:32 < rxr> ok - due to ugly cross build errors gcc.conf also gets a tiny facelift of historic clifford hacks ...
23:36 < rxr> the glibc hackers must drink quite a lot while hacking - at least during configure crap hacking ...
23:37 < mnemoc_> if you remove the 'redistribution' of the built system, almost any source based distro fit
23:37 < mnemoc_> tell when can i start
23:38 < rxr> needs some more work ...
23:38 < rxr> are you in a hury?
23:38 < rxr> e.g. leaving soon or so?
23:41 < mnemoc_> no :)
23:41 < mnemoc_> just teasing you
23:42 < rxr> I'm working hard on the base c compiler and lib build code
23:58 < rxr> .oO
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