--- Log opened Sat Oct 09 00:00:18 2004 02:25 < rxr> re 02:39 < rxr> oh my - now we have a really ugly linux.distributions.rock.t2.devel gmane existence 02:39 < rxr> see the list 02:39 * rxr in bed 02:39 < rxr> n8 04:00 -!- blindcod1r [~blindcode@p50801D04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 04:17 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F04C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)] 05:45 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-9 05:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-9 07:49 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 07:49 < blindcoder> moin 07:50 < martin> moin 07:52 < blindcoder> rene's already in aggressive mode :/ 09:01 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin 09:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin 09:28 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin 09:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin 09:38 < daja77> hm? 09:45 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.56] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:46 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.50] has joined #t2 10:09 < blindcoder> see his mail wrt. gmane 10:10 < daja77> on t2 list? 10:12 < blindcoder> yes 10:13 < daja77> i am not subscribed and don't even find the hompage atm 10:14 < blindcoder> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.rock.t2.devel 10:57 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.223.148.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 10:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2, a preleminary name. Submit cool naming suggestions (without linux) here ;-) 10:57 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Wed Oct 6 17:56:16 2004] 10:57 [Users #t2] 10:57 [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ martin] [ Ragnar0k_] [ rxr_ ] 10:57 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 10:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 10:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 10:57 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 10:57 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 15 secs 11:03 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.219.162.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:23 < rxr_> moin 12:23 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:24 < rxr> ok - this is better: 12:25 < rxr> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel 12:25 < daja77> Error GMANE-03252: Something is wrong. Perhaps something didn't match a group name. Perhaps something else. 12:26 < rxr> I do not get that, strange - but it yet is empty 12:26 < rxr> retry now? - I now get the first message ... 12:27 < daja77> works now 12:27 < rxr> ;-) 12:27 * rxr shortly off 12:28 < daja77> with news gateway 12:59 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p50801D04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 13:04 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@dsl-082-083-227-248.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 13:05 < rxr> Gnome to be (possibly) dropped by Slackware 13:08 < blindcoder> ? 13:08 < blindcoder> why so? 13:08 < blindcoder> not that I care about gnome, but still 13:08 < rxr> http://www.osnews.com ;-) 13:08 < rxr> maintenance nightmare 13:08 < rxr> jsaw: have we send the dependency fixes for gnome 2.8 upstream? 14:46 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@port-212-202-42-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 14:48 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin 14:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin 14:56 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-42-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 239 (Connection refused)] 15:25 -!- valentin_ is now known as valentin 17:53 < martin> http://simone.tfh-berlin.de/~neo/harddisk.mp3 18:20 < rxr> intended to be listened - or to destroy loudspeakers? 18:24 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8B4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:24 < nzg> moin 18:26 < Ragnar0k_> moin 18:31 < rxr> hi nzg and Ragnar0k_ 18:31 < Ragnar0k_> hi rxr 18:31 < nzg> moin rxr 18:45 < mnemoc> moin 18:45 < rxr> hi mnemoc 18:47 < mnemoc> hi rxr 18:48 < mnemoc> maintenance nightmare? <--- which new from osnews talk about this? slack/gnome2.8' 18:48 < mnemoc> ? 18:48 < rxr> jes 18:48 < rxr> yes egen 18:48 < rxr> even - damn 18:48 < mnemoc> :p 18:49 < rxr> http://www.dropline.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3430 18:49 < rxr> ^- the link in the http://www.osnews.com "note" 18:49 * mnemoc reading 18:50 < rxr> but hey - we still have gnome-2.8 ;-) or do you luse slack somewhere? 18:51 < mnemoc> osnews? :p 18:51 < mnemoc> do we have a name to use of that message? 18:51 < mnemoc> on that message 18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you mean? 18:53 < mnemoc> "maintenance nightmare? we $t2 produce perfects builds of gnome2.8 and every other package we have on our database" 18:53 < rxr> hehe - ic 18:53 < rxr> go ahead - use t2 for now ;-) 18:53 < mnemoc> "maybe they should start using buildkits (as $t2) to maintain their distributions ;)" 18:54 < rxr> I also tought about writing pat, if he would like to use our build system to build his slackware in the future ;-) 18:54 < mnemoc> me? who am i? you are a prestigious writer of linux magazine 18:55 < rxr> you are a developer here - when only one person does PR work it looks like a one man project ,-) - and since it wsa your idea to comment in that forum ;-) 18:55 < rxr> and /me just hacks firmware loading into rockplug ... 18:55 < mnemoc> o_O 18:55 < rxr> btw. should we rename rockplug? *g* 18:55 < rxr> t2plug *g* 18:56 < mnemoc> who owns rockplug? jsaw? 18:57 < rxr> yep - and /me 18:57 < mnemoc> then you can freely rename it and ley rock pleople work on their fork if they dislike the idea 18:59 < mnemoc> gmane.comp.t2.devel yahoo! 18:59 < rxr> yep 19:00 < rxr> after I had to freak a bit too much out about linux.distribution.rock.t2 or what they choose ... - last night 19:00 < mnemoc> gmane.comp.buildkits.t2.devel :p 19:01 < rxr> buildkits does not exists IIRC? 19:02 < mnemoc> only we know that 'concepto' 19:02 < mnemoc> concept* 19:02 < rxr> but comp.t2 is even cooler I think ;-) 19:03 < mnemoc> sure it is :p 19:04 < mnemoc> what do you think about writing a neutral articule about the benefits of a build kit? 19:04 < CIA-9> rene * r4233 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * create /lib/firmware in 00-dirtree 19:04 < rxr> hm - yes - that would indeed s.th. the work needs ;-) 19:07 < mnemoc> if we had one distro using our buildkit, our benefits will be as big as theirs 19:08 < rxr> ROCK missed this possibility - if ROCK would be really open since 1998 it would be the leading base today 19:08 < rxr> take a look what people created, gnome and kde build scripts (garnome, ... konstruct), all the other source distributions ... 19:09 < rxr> if ROCK would have good PR it would have a reasonable market share todayx 19:09 < mnemoc> yes 19:09 < mnemoc> noe it's your turn 19:09 < mnemoc> now even 19:09 < rxr> another think unnecessary created are things like fink - building source packages for macosx ... 19:10 < mnemoc> yes, they are all lost because they don't know what a build kit is 19:10 < rxr> for some strange reason rock never attracted people ... :-( 19:11 < mnemoc> strage? i think _well known_ 19:11 < rxr> and thus never expanded that much because of the lack of people just doing it ... 19:11 < mnemoc> we had people, lot of them, but they left the project faster than they join 19:12 < rxr> as I wrote along the lines on friday or thuesday or so I _might_ get payed for MacOSX driver development - if this contract get's signed I guess I do some basic package building for Unix like packages on the way (to build some stuff for MacOSX) 19:12 < mnemoc> :D 19:12 < rxr> sadly I will not do much development in the next days 19:13 < rxr> october is very much filled with work - math examniation next week - and then so much PR and artwork work for the linux world expo - we want to present T2 in a very good light - and thus needs some big poster and flyers and such 19:14 < rxr> I hope the remaining time is enought to get to -beta until then ... 19:14 < mnemoc> == 10/09/04 23:37:19 =[5]=> Aborted building package directfb. .... argh 19:14 < rxr> aside from my fathers 50th birthday in between ... 19:14 < rxr> oh - what is it this time? 19:14 < mnemoc> good number 19:15 < mnemoc> mom 19:15 < mnemoc> In file included from matrox_maven.c:32: 19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:37: error: field `__user' has incomplete type 19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:37: error: parse error before '*' token 19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:42: error: field `__user' has incomplete type 19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:42: error: parse error before '*' token 19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:44: error: parse error before '}' token 19:15 < mnemoc> i hate i2c 19:16 < rxr> try including "compiler.h" 19:16 < mnemoc> what package i'm missing? 19:16 < mnemoc> ok 19:16 < mnemoc> on i2c-dev.h or in whom include it? 19:16 < rxr> as work around in the includee ... 19:16 < rxr> if this compiles thereafter I add it ot our linux-header package 19:17 < rxr> and I can test locally soon , too 19:17 < rxr> just some more firmware lines or so ... 19:17 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c... 19:18 < rxr> include even .. 19:18 < rxr> not just compiler.h ... 19:19 < rxr> mnemoc: do you do PR on osnews.com? 19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to go now :\ 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_write_byte': 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:65: error: implicit declaration of function `i2c_smbus_write_byte_data' 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_write_word': 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:82: error: implicit declaration of function `i2c_smbus_write_word_data' 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_open': 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:313: error: `I2C_SLAVE' undeclared (first use in this function) 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:313: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 19:20 < rxr> ok - I take a look if I get the same ... 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:313: error: for each function it appears in.) 19:20 < rxr> and/or update or so ... 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_init': 19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:452: error: `I2C_SLAVE' undeclared (first use in this function) 19:21 < mnemoc> next error after addifn compiler.h above i2c 19:36 < rxr> rockplug 0.1.0 tagged 19:43 < rxr> oops - made an ugly typo .. 19:47 < rxr> hm - I think I just found an svn bug - damn 19:52 * rxr cappuccino ... 19:56 < CIA-9> rene * r4234 /trunk/package/base/rockplug/rockplug.desc: * updated rockplug (0.1.0) - featuring firmware loading support 20:03 < CIA-9> rene * r4235 /trunk/package/ (69 files in 52 dirs): 20:03 < CIA-9> * substituted some more of my mail address occurances - no idea 20:03 < CIA-9> why my first sed run missed so many?!? 20:05 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@dsl-082-083-227-248.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:13 < rxr> I hope my @exactcode.de address will be more permanent 20:18 < Ragnar0k_> *g* 20:18 < rxr> hm - rock-devel is moderated or so again .. 20:19 < rxr> well - let's see if cliffods hit's the pass button ... 20:23 < CIA-9> rene * r4236 /trunk/target/desktop/desktop.txt: 20:23 < CIA-9> * fixed the desktop.txt to list my new address - just a test for the 20:23 < CIA-9> new t2-svn list ... ;-) 21:03 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@dsl-082-082-088-219.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 21:03 < blindcoder> rehi 21:09 < valentin> blindy: mail to you is sometimes bounced 21:09 < blindcoder> valentin: yes because my mailserver was off for ~6h 21:09 < blindcoder> because of relocation from IN to B 21:09 < valentin> hm, but i got an 21:09 < valentin> blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net 21:09 < valentin> SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM: SIZE=4701: 21:09 < valentin> host scavenger.homeip.net [82.83.225.165]: 553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address 21:09 < valentin> ziegler@informatik.hu-berlin.de does not exist 21:09 < blindcoder> ah yes, just a moment 21:10 < valentin> no dns on your side ? 21:10 * blindcoder curses sendmail 21:10 < blindcoder> sure is, but sendmail is a stupid piece of crap 21:10 < valentin> new revelation :) 21:10 < blindcoder> once started it caches the system-configured dns server and asks it directly instead of gethostbyname 21:11 < blindcoder> so I have to restart it when the DNS changes 21:11 < blindcoder> and this "vorsintflutliche" installation of rock 2.0.0-pre5 doesn't do anything to stabilise the system 21:13 < valentin> how about stoping sendmail and unsing exim or sth instead ? 21:13 < blindcoder> gimme a sendmail-to-exim configuration tool :) 21:13 < rxr> one could also use 127.0.0.1 with bind as caching proxy ... 21:13 < CIA-9> rene * r4237 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-firmware/ ( dvb-firmware.conf dvb-firmware.desc): 21:13 < CIA-9> * added a dvb-firmware package - tested together with the recent 21:13 < CIA-9> rockplug 21:13 < blindcoder> config convertion tool even 21:13 < valentin> the config is the problem with sendmail 21:13 < blindcoder> rxr: one could also shoot oneself in the foot... 21:14 < blindcoder> valentin: does exim support relaying? 21:14 < rxr> martin: on a little-endian box with non-broken usb your USB DVB box "as a chance" to work out of the box with t2:HEAD ... 21:14 < blindcoder> last time I checked I couldn't find it in the docs 21:14 < rxr> blindcoder: relaying? sure ... 21:14 < valentin> blindcoder: yes 21:14 < blindcoder> either exim or postfix, in one of those I didn't find it... 21:15 * rxr has done enough "work for other people's hardware today ;-) 21:23 -!- martin [~martin@brln-d9ba0174.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:43 < jsaw> re 21:43 < rxr> hi jsaw 21:44 < rxr> jsaw: we have a new rock plug version ;-) 21:45 < jsaw> seen it. 21:45 < jsaw> I just sent the patches to the gnome-devel list. 21:46 < rxr> cool ;-) 21:46 < jsaw> just that I forgot to send pango patch also. 21:47 < jsaw> I'll do that if I get a response from gnome-devel (to my het up mail ...:) 22:07 < rxr> hm - nice that clifford removed my rene@rocklinux.org account - and I already lost many important mails because the address is spread over the wohle web ... 22:08 < daja77> *sigh* why the heck you both can't communicate 22:09 < rxr> I think I can ... 22:10 < daja77> well you could do better 22:11 < daja77> or better you both could do better 22:13 < jsaw> one must be a damned even-tempered person to be able to still communicate after such an exchange of flames... 22:13 < jsaw> you're both not really even-tempered :) 22:13 < rxr> could we stop this? This will not get us anywhere ... 22:14 < jsaw> that's what I say, your already sending smoke signals... just accept the way you are, I do. 22:14 < rxr> jsaw: ? 22:16 -!- martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba0115.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 22:16 [Users #t2] 22:16 [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ martin_] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] 22:16 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ Ragnar0k_] [ valentin] 22:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 22:23 < rxr> oh is this late 22:23 * rxr need to practise math and crawl into bed ... :-() 22:23 < jsaw> ??? late ??? 22:24 < rxr> yes - I need to get up early ... 22:24 < jsaw> ah right, you're currently practicing "seize the day". 22:24 * jsaw wonders how this is done... 22:24 * jsaw seizes the night 22:28 < daja77> hehe 22:30 < rxr> jsaw: btw. due to a major mess I produced in rockplug with accidently overtagging 0.0.8 I rolled the database back of that revision ... 22:30 < rxr> just in the case you wonder why you got two commit mails for the same revision ... 22:37 < jsaw> reminds of an old plan, making rockplug udev conform... 22:38 < jsaw> ... so many ideas ... 22:38 < jsaw> ... such a lack of time ... 22:38 < rxr> yes - udev for rockplug is also on my .plan 22:39 < rxr> as well as the hwscan2 / rockplug2 complete redesign - clean from scratch ;-) 22:39 < rxr> but not this months ... 22:39 < rxr> -s --- Log closed Sun Oct 10 00:00:32 2004