T2 IRC Log: 2004-10-09

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--- Log opened Sat Oct 09 00:00:18 2004
02:25 < rxr> re
02:39 < rxr> oh my - now we have a really ugly linux.distributions.rock.t2.devel gmane existence
02:39 < rxr> see the list
02:39 * rxr in bed
02:39 < rxr> n8
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07:49 < blindcoder> moin
07:50 < martin> moin
07:52 < blindcoder> rene's already in aggressive mode :/
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09:38 < daja77> hm?
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10:09 < blindcoder> see his mail wrt. gmane
10:10 < daja77> on t2 list?
10:12 < blindcoder> yes
10:13 < daja77> i am not subscribed and don't even find the hompage atm
10:14 < blindcoder> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.rock.t2.devel
10:57 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.223.148.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
10:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2, a preleminary name. Submit cool naming suggestions (without linux) here ;-)
10:57 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Wed Oct 6 17:56:16 2004]
10:57 [Users #t2]
10:57 [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ martin] [ Ragnar0k_] [ rxr_ ]
10:57 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
10:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
10:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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12:23 < rxr_> moin
12:23 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:24 < rxr> ok - this is better:
12:25 < rxr> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel
12:25 < daja77> Error GMANE-03252: Something is wrong. Perhaps something didn't match a group name. Perhaps something else.
12:26 < rxr> I do not get that, strange - but it yet is empty
12:26 < rxr> retry now? - I now get the first message ...
12:27 < daja77> works now
12:27 < rxr> ;-)
12:27 * rxr shortly off
12:28 < daja77> with news gateway
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13:05 < rxr> Gnome to be (possibly) dropped by Slackware
13:08 < blindcoder> ?
13:08 < blindcoder> why so?
13:08 < blindcoder> not that I care about gnome, but still
13:08 < rxr> http://www.osnews.com ;-)
13:08 < rxr> maintenance nightmare
13:08 < rxr> jsaw: have we send the dependency fixes for gnome 2.8 upstream?
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17:53 < martin> http://simone.tfh-berlin.de/~neo/harddisk.mp3
18:20 < rxr> intended to be listened - or to destroy loudspeakers?
18:24 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8B4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
18:24 < nzg> moin
18:26 < Ragnar0k_> moin
18:31 < rxr> hi nzg and Ragnar0k_
18:31 < Ragnar0k_> hi rxr
18:31 < nzg> moin rxr
18:45 < mnemoc> moin
18:45 < rxr> hi mnemoc
18:47 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:48 < mnemoc> maintenance nightmare? <--- which new from osnews talk about this? slack/gnome2.8'
18:48 < mnemoc> ?
18:48 < rxr> jes
18:48 < rxr> yes egen
18:48 < rxr> even - damn
18:48 < mnemoc> :p
18:49 < rxr> http://www.dropline.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3430
18:49 < rxr> ^- the link in the http://www.osnews.com "note"
18:49 * mnemoc reading
18:50 < rxr> but hey - we still have gnome-2.8 ;-) or do you luse slack somewhere?
18:51 < mnemoc> osnews? :p
18:51 < mnemoc> do we have a name to use of that message?
18:51 < mnemoc> on that message
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you mean?
18:53 < mnemoc> "maintenance nightmare? we $t2 produce perfects builds of gnome2.8 and every other package we have on our database"
18:53 < rxr> hehe - ic
18:53 < rxr> go ahead - use t2 for now ;-)
18:53 < mnemoc> "maybe they should start using buildkits (as $t2) to maintain their distributions ;)"
18:54 < rxr> I also tought about writing pat, if he would like to use our build system to build his slackware in the future ;-)
18:54 < mnemoc> me? who am i? you are a prestigious writer of linux magazine
18:55 < rxr> you are a developer here - when only one person does PR work it looks like a one man project ,-) - and since it wsa your idea to comment in that forum ;-)
18:55 < rxr> and /me just hacks firmware loading into rockplug ...
18:55 < mnemoc> o_O
18:55 < rxr> btw. should we rename rockplug? *g*
18:55 < rxr> t2plug *g*
18:56 < mnemoc> who owns rockplug? jsaw?
18:57 < rxr> yep - and /me
18:57 < mnemoc> then you can freely rename it and ley rock pleople work on their fork if they dislike the idea
18:59 < mnemoc> gmane.comp.t2.devel yahoo!
18:59 < rxr> yep
19:00 < rxr> after I had to freak a bit too much out about linux.distribution.rock.t2 or what they choose ... - last night
19:00 < mnemoc> gmane.comp.buildkits.t2.devel :p
19:01 < rxr> buildkits does not exists IIRC?
19:02 < mnemoc> only we know that 'concepto'
19:02 < mnemoc> concept*
19:02 < rxr> but comp.t2 is even cooler I think ;-)
19:03 < mnemoc> sure it is :p
19:04 < mnemoc> what do you think about writing a neutral articule about the benefits of a build kit?
19:04 < CIA-9> rene * r4233 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * create /lib/firmware in 00-dirtree
19:04 < rxr> hm - yes - that would indeed s.th. the work needs ;-)
19:07 < mnemoc> if we had one distro using our buildkit, our benefits will be as big as theirs
19:08 < rxr> ROCK missed this possibility - if ROCK would be really open since 1998 it would be the leading base today
19:08 < rxr> take a look what people created, gnome and kde build scripts (garnome, ... konstruct), all the other source distributions ...
19:09 < rxr> if ROCK would have good PR it would have a reasonable market share todayx
19:09 < mnemoc> yes
19:09 < mnemoc> noe it's your turn
19:09 < mnemoc> now even
19:09 < rxr> another think unnecessary created are things like fink - building source packages for macosx ...
19:10 < mnemoc> yes, they are all lost because they don't know what a build kit is
19:10 < rxr> for some strange reason rock never attracted people ... :-(
19:11 < mnemoc> strage? i think _well known_
19:11 < rxr> and thus never expanded that much because of the lack of people just doing it ...
19:11 < mnemoc> we had people, lot of them, but they left the project faster than they join
19:12 < rxr> as I wrote along the lines on friday or thuesday or so I _might_ get payed for MacOSX driver development - if this contract get's signed I guess I do some basic package building for Unix like packages on the way (to build some stuff for MacOSX)
19:12 < mnemoc> :D
19:12 < rxr> sadly I will not do much development in the next days
19:13 < rxr> october is very much filled with work - math examniation next week - and then so much PR and artwork work for the linux world expo - we want to present T2 in a very good light - and thus needs some big poster and flyers and such
19:14 < rxr> I hope the remaining time is enought to get to -beta until then ...
19:14 < mnemoc> == 10/09/04 23:37:19 =[5]=> Aborted building package directfb. .... argh
19:14 < rxr> aside from my fathers 50th birthday in between ...
19:14 < rxr> oh - what is it this time?
19:14 < mnemoc> good number
19:15 < mnemoc> mom
19:15 < mnemoc> In file included from matrox_maven.c:32:
19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:37: error: field `__user' has incomplete type
19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:37: error: parse error before '*' token
19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:42: error: field `__user' has incomplete type
19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:42: error: parse error before '*' token
19:15 < mnemoc> /usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h:44: error: parse error before '}' token
19:15 < mnemoc> i hate i2c
19:16 < rxr> try including "compiler.h"
19:16 < mnemoc> what package i'm missing?
19:16 < mnemoc> ok
19:16 < mnemoc> on i2c-dev.h or in whom include it?
19:16 < rxr> as work around in the includee ...
19:16 < rxr> if this compiles thereafter I add it ot our linux-header package
19:17 < rxr> and I can test locally soon , too
19:17 < rxr> just some more firmware lines or so ...
19:17 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c...
19:18 < rxr> include even ..
19:18 < rxr> not just compiler.h ...
19:19 < rxr> mnemoc: do you do PR on osnews.com?
19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to go now :\
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_write_byte':
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:65: error: implicit declaration of function `i2c_smbus_write_byte_data'
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_write_word':
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:82: error: implicit declaration of function `i2c_smbus_write_word_data'
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_open':
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:313: error: `I2C_SLAVE' undeclared (first use in this function)
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:313: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
19:20 < rxr> ok - I take a look if I get the same ...
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:313: error: for each function it appears in.)
19:20 < rxr> and/or update or so ...
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c: In function `maven_init':
19:20 < mnemoc> matrox_maven.c:452: error: `I2C_SLAVE' undeclared (first use in this function)
19:21 < mnemoc> next error after addifn compiler.h above i2c
19:36 < rxr> rockplug 0.1.0 tagged
19:43 < rxr> oops - made an ugly typo ..
19:47 < rxr> hm - I think I just found an svn bug - damn
19:52 * rxr cappuccino ...
19:56 < CIA-9> rene * r4234 /trunk/package/base/rockplug/rockplug.desc: * updated rockplug (0.1.0) - featuring firmware loading support
20:03 < CIA-9> rene * r4235 /trunk/package/ (69 files in 52 dirs):
20:03 < CIA-9> * substituted some more of my mail address occurances - no idea
20:03 < CIA-9> why my first sed run missed so many?!?
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20:13 < rxr> I hope my @exactcode.de address will be more permanent
20:18 < Ragnar0k_> *g*
20:18 < rxr> hm - rock-devel is moderated or so again ..
20:19 < rxr> well - let's see if cliffods hit's the pass button ...
20:23 < CIA-9> rene * r4236 /trunk/target/desktop/desktop.txt:
20:23 < CIA-9> * fixed the desktop.txt to list my new address - just a test for the
20:23 < CIA-9> new t2-svn list ... ;-)
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21:03 < blindcoder> rehi
21:09 < valentin> blindy: mail to you is sometimes bounced
21:09 < blindcoder> valentin: yes because my mailserver was off for ~6h
21:09 < blindcoder> because of relocation from IN to B
21:09 < valentin> hm, but i got an
21:09 < valentin> blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net
21:09 < valentin> SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM: SIZE=4701:
21:09 < valentin> host scavenger.homeip.net [82.83.225.165]: 553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
21:09 < valentin> ziegler@informatik.hu-berlin.de does not exist
21:09 < blindcoder> ah yes, just a moment
21:10 < valentin> no dns on your side ?
21:10 * blindcoder curses sendmail
21:10 < blindcoder> sure is, but sendmail is a stupid piece of crap
21:10 < valentin> new revelation :)
21:10 < blindcoder> once started it caches the system-configured dns server and asks it directly instead of gethostbyname
21:11 < blindcoder> so I have to restart it when the DNS changes
21:11 < blindcoder> and this "vorsintflutliche" installation of rock 2.0.0-pre5 doesn't do anything to stabilise the system
21:13 < valentin> how about stoping sendmail and unsing exim or sth instead ?
21:13 < blindcoder> gimme a sendmail-to-exim configuration tool :)
21:13 < rxr> one could also use 127.0.0.1 with bind as caching proxy ...
21:13 < CIA-9> rene * r4237 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-firmware/ ( dvb-firmware.conf dvb-firmware.desc):
21:13 < CIA-9> * added a dvb-firmware package - tested together with the recent
21:13 < CIA-9> rockplug
21:13 < blindcoder> config convertion tool even
21:13 < valentin> the config is the problem with sendmail
21:13 < blindcoder> rxr: one could also shoot oneself in the foot...
21:14 < blindcoder> valentin: does exim support relaying?
21:14 < rxr> martin: on a little-endian box with non-broken usb your USB DVB box "as a chance" to work out of the box with t2:HEAD ...
21:14 < blindcoder> last time I checked I couldn't find it in the docs
21:14 < rxr> blindcoder: relaying? sure ...
21:14 < valentin> blindcoder: yes
21:14 < blindcoder> either exim or postfix, in one of those I didn't find it...
21:15 * rxr has done enough "work for other people's hardware today ;-)
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21:43 < jsaw> re
21:43 < rxr> hi jsaw
21:44 < rxr> jsaw: we have a new rock plug version ;-)
21:45 < jsaw> seen it.
21:45 < jsaw> I just sent the patches to the gnome-devel list.
21:46 < rxr> cool ;-)
21:46 < jsaw> just that I forgot to send pango patch also.
21:47 < jsaw> I'll do that if I get a response from gnome-devel (to my het up mail ...:)
22:07 < rxr> hm - nice that clifford removed my rene@rocklinux.org account - and I already lost many important mails because the address is spread over the wohle web ...
22:08 < daja77> *sigh* why the heck you both can't communicate
22:09 < rxr> I think I can ...
22:10 < daja77> well you could do better
22:11 < daja77> or better you both could do better
22:13 < jsaw> one must be a damned even-tempered person to be able to still communicate after such an exchange of flames...
22:13 < jsaw> you're both not really even-tempered :)
22:13 < rxr> could we stop this? This will not get us anywhere ...
22:14 < jsaw> that's what I say, your already sending smoke signals... just accept the way you are, I do.
22:14 < rxr> jsaw: ?
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22:16 [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ martin_] [ nzg ] [ rxr ]
22:16 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ Ragnar0k_] [ valentin]
22:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
22:23 < rxr> oh is this late
22:23 * rxr need to practise math and crawl into bed ... :-()
22:23 < jsaw> ??? late ???
22:24 < rxr> yes - I need to get up early ...
22:24 < jsaw> ah right, you're currently practicing "seize the day".
22:24 * jsaw wonders how this is done...
22:24 * jsaw seizes the night
22:28 < daja77> hehe
22:30 < rxr> jsaw: btw. due to a major mess I produced in rockplug with accidently overtagging 0.0.8 I rolled the database back of that revision ...
22:30 < rxr> just in the case you wonder why you got two commit mails for the same revision ...
22:37 < jsaw> reminds of an old plan, making rockplug udev conform...
22:38 < jsaw> ... so many ideas ...
22:38 < jsaw> ... such a lack of time ...
22:38 < rxr> yes - udev for rockplug is also on my .plan
22:39 < rxr> as well as the hwscan2 / rockplug2 complete redesign - clean from scratch ;-)
22:39 < rxr> but not this months ...
22:39 < rxr> -s
--- Log closed Sun Oct 10 00:00:32 2004