--- Log opened Sun Oct 03 00:00:53 2004
00:01 < jsaw_> rxr: is it necessary to build cloop in stage 1?
00:06 < rxr> hm ;-) not really
00:06 < rxr> but I want to revisit the 3rd party kernel module stuff anyway
00:06 < jsaw_> (the new version wants C++)
00:07 < rxr> I want all of them build during the regular linuxXY compile cycle - so we need no linuxXY-src packages and it is less error prone, since regardless what /usr/src/linux* stuff you have, you get the right modules when you rebuild the kernel - and you also get them for all - not only the default one ...
00:07 < rxr> I do this next week ...
00:08 < jsaw_> sounds reasonable :)
00:09 < rxr> which lead to the next modification - removing the default kernel config option ;-)
00:09 < rxr> ok - /me off in bed in some seconds ...
00:09 < rxr> or - wait - I reread some math texts - so I idle here some more minutes ...
00:09 < jsaw_> hehe
00:21 < jsaw_> rxr: if you do the modules hooking, there's one thing I'd really like to have: as I said, I like to create my own custom kernels once installed, so would it be possible, to run a "make menuconfig" on demand?
00:22 < jsaw_> (I mean, when directly called with ./scripts/Build-Pkg, not for the target building)
00:23 < rxr> hm - interesting idea ;-)
00:24 < rxr> this should be possible ;-)
00:24 < jsaw_> good :)))
00:25 < rxr> so - n8 all, cu tomorrow - err, today ;-)
00:25 < jsaw_> cu
01:27 < jsaw_> 1303 builds total, 655 completed fine, 35 with errors.
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08:04 < rxr> re
09:14 < rxr> ok - me off - cu
10:41 < rxr> re
10:53 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.245.203.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
10:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - 2.1.0-alpha ("Way to heaven") got tagged - have fun hacking
10:53 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Sun Oct  3 01:59:04 2004]
10:53 [Users #t2]
10:53 [ jsaw_] [ martin_] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 
10:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 6 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal]
10:53 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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13:05 < rxr> wow - nowadays I have "crippled" internet during lectures ;-)
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13:31 < rxr> hm - checking t2 out on a 155MBit/s connected box is amazingly fast ...
13:32 < rxr> valentin your sdsl line has an amazing upstream performance ...
13:37 < valentin> re
13:37 < valentin> thx
13:37 < rxr> hi
13:38  * rxr currently listen to assembler hacking for dummies ...
13:38 < rxr> and creating a T2 web page in the huge ammount of idle time
13:40 < rxr> until we have a cool name I put some stuff online @:
13:40 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/oss/t2/
13:42 < rxr> cu later
13:52 < valentin> you should add <B>'s
13:53 < valentin> i mean <br>'a
13:53 < valentin> i mean <br>'s
13:53 < valentin> damn
14:54 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
14:55 < mnemoc> moin
14:57 < valentin> moin
14:59 < mnemoc> what about a wiki for t2? :p to increase openness
15:01 < valentin> abuse your svn acount + webdav for that *g*
15:01 < mnemoc> oh =)
15:01 < valentin> btw: we have a preliminary mailinglist now
15:02 < valentin> want to subscribe ?
15:02 < mnemoc> sure :) amery@geeks.cl
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: my plan was to go typo3 - is this ok for you?
15:10 < mnemoc> i have never used it
15:10 < martin_> re
15:10 < martin_> rxr: at home?
15:11 < rxr> jups
15:11 < rxr> martin_: why?
15:12 < rxr> do not tell me my math examination is right now ...
15:12 < rxr> I'm going to kill someone then ...
15:14 < martin_> no, I will look spaeter
15:15 < rxr> I had a look before I left at 14:15 or so ...
15:15 < martin_> ok
15:15 < rxr> but if you would have a look before the uni closes ... ;-)
15:15 < rxr> that would indeed be great!
15:15 < martin_> I will see ....
15:17 < rxr> thanks
15:26 < jsaw_> re
15:32 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 
15:32 < jsaw_> damn gnome....
15:51 < rxr> jsaw_: thanks for the work ;-)!
15:51 < rxr> jsaw_: yes - damn I alread fixed a bit of it, too
15:54 < rxr> jsaw_: would you be on the linux world expo from 26 - 28 october in frakfurt?
15:54 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: 25 free linux world expo tickets for free
15:54 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: 25 free Linux World Expo (Frakfurt) tickets for free
15:55 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: Linux World Expo 26 - 28. October - 25 tickets for free
15:55 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: Linux World Expo 26 - 28. October - 25 tickets for free, anyone?
15:55 < rxr> so ;-)
15:55  * rxr had to play a bit
15:57 < rxr> oh - we only have 20
15:57 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: Linux World Expo 26 - 28. October - 20 tickets for free, anyone?
15:57 < rxr> ;-)
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: you are of course also invited!, but you will not fly over to germany I guess? ;-(
16:00 < mnemoc> if you give me the money :p
16:00 < rxr> jsaw_: e.g. I had the libgnomeui patch also already lying around locally - but hesitated to commit it because I was not sure if there is s.th. else wrong when only we notived it ...
16:00 < rxr> mnemoc: I feared this ;-) sorry I have no money left either
16:00 < mnemoc> :\
16:00 < mnemoc> OT: where does python's gnome.ui come from?
16:01 < rxr> mnemoc: the T2 poster printing costs and flyer printing will already decrease the already low budget here ...
16:01 < rxr> mnemoc: oeh? No idea ... :-(
16:01 < mnemoc> you will need an sponsor
16:01 < rxr> hehe
16:01 < mnemoc> i'll go for some food.... bbl
16:02 < rxr> well I continue the publication and PR style I already did for ROCK Linux - so we should get some users and such soon
16:02 < valentin> mnemoc: yea - lets get a sponsor and then use all the money to pay your tickets ...
16:02 < rxr> hehehe
16:02 < mnemoc> yeah :D
16:02 < rxr> mnemoc does the US and such event presentations ;-)
16:02 < rxr> would reach more people and cost the same or even less :-)
16:07 < rxr> valentin: btw. NEWS to rock* ?
16:07 < rxr> maybe at the URL rocklinux-consulting.de/oss/t2 ...
16:07 < rxr> i add mailing list info, too, soon
16:13 < valentin> i get a 404
16:13 < rxr> www or course
16:14 < rxr> so - next content
16:14 < rxr> some files are missing
16:14 < rxr> contact and source
16:14 < rxr> will do them now
16:15 < rxr> and there is a typo - damn
16:15 < rxr> so - typo fixed
16:17 < valentin> how does the html version differ from NEWS ?
16:18 < rxr> not much
16:18 < rxr> only slightly - but I want some info online ...
16:18 < valentin> yes - i only wanted to know : can i send the NEWS to rock ?
16:19 < rxr> yes
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: US ia as expesive as DE to me :)
16:31 < rxr> but the flight is cheaper?
16:31 < mnemoc> yes, but no more than a 10-15% cheaper
16:32 < mnemoc> 9 hours vs. 12 hours
16:32 < valentin> mail sent - waiting for the flamings from the rock crew :/
16:32 < rxr> yep ...
16:36 < rxr> ok
16:37 < rxr> here we go: http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/oss/t2/
16:37 < rxr> it is a svn repository - which automatically updates the static html files on every commit
16:37 < jsaw_> rxr: no, I can't go to the world expo
16:37 < rxr> onfurtunatly all the "company" site files are in the repo - so we can just now not hand aout write acces ...
16:37 < jsaw_> rxr: I'm now at evolution.
16:38 < rxr> but we will go Typo3 or so when we have a cool name, anyway ...
16:38 < rxr> if you have s.th. for the site just bug valentin or me until we have a CMS ...
16:39 < rxr> jsaw_: too overloaded with work for the linux world expo?
16:40 < jsaw_> yep. I'm lucky to follow my hobby a bit 'cause I'm home due to a flu ... :)
16:41 < rxr> ic
16:41 < rxr> I have not yet finalized my planings regarding trabeling back - I might go by train and take a longer route via heidelberg and muenchen - would you be around the 29th or so for a visit?
16:42 < rxr> valentin: to add people manually to the list we just need to put the mailto: address into this list s.th. file?
16:43 < valentin> yep
16:43 < rxr> su I just subscribe all that get svn commit mails, hm?
16:43 < valentin> did not try this yet but i think so
16:43 < valentin> ok
16:44 < rxr> I think we should pass the svn commit mails over such a list then, too?
16:44 < valentin> hm, but create an extra list for that
16:44 < valentin> and this list should be configured read only
16:44 < rxr> yep
16:44 < rxr> then we do thist later - not today ...
16:44 < valentin> ok
16:45 < rxr> I'm not in the mood for more smtp and html messing today ...
16:45 < rxr> ok - populated the list with the ones from the commit mail file ..
16:46  * rxr testing ...
16:46 < rxr> valentin: lists@ works
16:46 < rxr> let's prefer that one ;-) hides minimallist a bit ... ;-)
16:47 < rxr> valentin: did you already added some info stuff, the footer and the generic info text?
16:47 < valentin> no
16:47 < valentin> take a look at
16:47 < valentin> oh, i'll tell you in private
16:57 < rxr> jsaw_: you should just have received two t2 mailing list mails ...
16:58 < rxr> so - /me happy with t2 progess so gar
16:58 < rxr> far even
16:58 < rxr> hey - with a web site and list now, we could push news to the Linux Magazin, and heise and so ... ;-)
17:01 < jsaw_> rxr: is there an ar wrapper?
17:01 < rxr> I do not think so ...
17:01 < rxr> whre do you need it?
17:01 < rxr> valentin also ranted about the current wrapper stuff and wanted a more generic wrapper concept ...
17:01 < jsaw_> no, I'm trying to track an error...
17:01 < rxr> hm - strace to get the ar arguemnts?
17:02 < jsaw_> (cd . && ln -s sth.lo sth.lo)
17:02 < jsaw_> but this is nowhere to be found in the makefile...
17:02 < mnemoc> uhm?
17:02 < jsaw_> yep, strange
17:03 < jsaw_> doesn't happen when building by hand (chmod build/.../)
17:05 < rxr> hm - did I five rock-plug also away to the rock hackers?
17:05 < rxr> well looks so ..
17:08 < jsaw_> nope, should carry our names in the copyright
17:44 < rxr> yep - but I dumped the data base during the rock migration and clifford happily imported it over at www.rocklinux.net/svn ...
17:44 < rxr> we'll se ...
17:47 < rxr> so - I think I'm shortly away to a book store, seeing some real worl ,-)
17:48 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about adding a CIA to #t2?
17:50 < rxr> cia was what?
17:51 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx
17:51 < mnemoc> a bot that monitor cvs/svn/arch activity and flood the channel
17:54 < rxr> ah - I remeber - also used on #svn ;-) I think ;-)
17:54 < mnemoc> yes
17:54 < mnemoc> it's quite nice
17:54 < rxr> sure I can set it up on my primary router, where also my irssi is running to log ...
17:54 < mnemoc> no, that's not needed
17:55 < mnemoc> your 'register' your project and a CIA joins the channel
17:55 < rxr> oh !
17:55 < rxr> do you go and do the registration work?
17:56 < mnemoc> you need a client script in your svn to report, but the bot is 'shared'
17:56 < rxr> ah - ok
17:56 < rxr> let's do that i a free minute
17:56  * rxr shortly away into real-world ..
17:56 < mnemoc> =)
17:59 < mnemoc> i can do the report, but i'll be a bit delayed
18:00 < rxr> report?
18:01 < mnemoc> i can run the script tha monitor svn activity and mail or xmlrpc to CIA every commit
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18:02 < rxr> no, I add it in the next free minute, just post the url or so in a query - I then inject it into the server ...
18:02 < rxr> huh!
18:02 < rxr> the rock discussion started ;-)
18:03 < mnemoc> not yet... blindy just noticed your post
18:04 < rxr> well - cool ;-) - me off
18:05 < rxr> I think I also try to get a ceramics coffee filter holder
18:05 < valentin> coffeee ????
18:05 < rxr> so I can get rid of instant cappuccino ;-)
18:05 < valentin> .oO rxr gets addicted
18:05 < rxr> hm?
18:05 < rxr> what's up now valentin ?
18:06 < valentin> rxr starts drinking coffee when he's alone, that is no good sign
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18:06 < valentin> i remember a time where you only drank tea
18:06 < blindcoder> moin
18:06 < mnemoc> valentin: is coffee better or worse than vodka on that cases?
18:07 < mnemoc> blindy!
18:07 < valentin> moin blindy
18:07 < rxr> no I do not start - I just get annoyed by instat cappuccino - so I do not invest in a coffee machine but just a keramics coffee filter holder so I can create tiny ammounts needed for my cappuccino ... ;-)
18:07 < rxr> hi blindcoder !
18:07 < valentin> mnemoc: depends on the case
18:07 < valentin> ok, i thought you were getting coffe addicted
18:08 < valentin> like substituting coffe for tea/juice
18:08 < valentin> damn, did someone get my testmail ?
18:08 < mnemoc> valentin: me
18:08 < valentin> ok, does it have a footer ?
18:08 < mnemoc> but without ^List-Id
18:09 < mnemoc> ----------------------------------------------------------- 
18:09 < mnemoc> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to
18:09 < mnemoc> list@rocklinux-consulting.de with a subject of:
18:09 < valentin> List-Id comes in a second
18:09 < mnemoc> 	unsubscribe t2
18:09 < rxr> nope - just the instant cappuccino annoys me - and I even might save money by switching to better "selfmade" cappuccino ;-) not to mention the chemics that are for sure in this instant puwder
18:09 < rxr> valentin: yes, me too
18:09 < rxr> so /me off - cu all in max 2h ... ;-)
18:09 < valentin> ah, now i got it - our universitys mailserver is slug slow
18:10 < valentin> cu
18:10 < mnemoc> that line break after subject of: looks odd
18:10 < mnemoc> cu rxr
18:10 < rxr> maybe spam overloaded ;-)
18:10 < valentin> mnemoc: yes
18:12 < valentin> but the subject will not fit in the line before
18:16  * blindcoder a bit away, ironing
18:19 < valentin> mnemoc: satisfied ?
18:19 < mnemoc> almost :p
18:20 < valentin> wdym ?
18:20 < mnemoc> with a subject of:
18:20 < mnemoc> 	unsubscribe t2
18:20 < mnemoc> with 'unsubscribe t2' as subject     doesn't fit?
18:21 < valentin> hm, i'll take a look
18:21 < valentin> and the List-Id in the header ?
18:21 < mnemoc> yes :D
18:57 < blindcoder> puh, I really shouldn't let this pile up like that
18:59 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:59 < blindcoder> I _hate_ ironing :/
19:00 < blindcoder> so i usually only do it when there's less than 2 trousers left
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19:08 < tcr> Do I have to be subscribed to the mailinglist to send an eMail to it?
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19:08 < nzg> moin
19:09 < blindcoder> tcr: try it
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19:17 < _Ragnar_> hi
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19:26 < rxr> re
19:26 [Users #t2]
19:26 [ blindcoder] [ martin_] [ nzg     ] [ rxr] [ valentin] 
19:26 [ jsaw_     ] [ mnemoc ] [ Ragnar0k] [ tcr] 
19:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 9 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 9 normal]
19:27 < rxr> oh - the channel got populated ;-) Hi all!
19:28 < Ragnar0k> hi
19:29 < rxr> hi Ragnar0k 
19:29 < blindcoder> re rxr 
19:30 < rxr> hi blindcoder 
19:31  * Ragnar0k notices quite the same ppl around like on the other channel;)
19:32 < rxr> up to some hours before it "wehre only" mnemoc jsaw valentin martin and me ... ;-)
19:33  * Ragnar0k read the release statement, and then remember 'wait, I forgot to rejoin freenode after the last crash'
19:51 < rxr> jsaw_: what are you doing! You commit more then I do these day ... !
19:56 < Ragnar0k> *lol*
19:59 < blindcoder> well, at least it's about similiar as quiet :-)
19:59 < Ragnar0k> for sure;)
20:15 < Ragnar0k> how do I disable pam in t2 ?
20:18 < Ragnar0k> sorry *hits head on table* I'm blind
20:18 < jsaw_> rxr: I'm finished for now :)
20:26 < valentin> tcr: lists@.... is the control list to subscribe, mail for the list to t2@....
20:41 < tcr> valentin, Yeah, figured that one out now, too :P
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20:45  * jsaw_ moves daughter to /dev/bed, cu
20:45 < Ragnar0k> cya
20:48 < rxr> evening silence ;-)
20:51 < Ragnar0k> noon here
20:52 < rxr> ;-)
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22:21 < rxr> hey - www.denix.de ;-)
22:23 < valentin> ?
22:25 < rxr> have you pasted it in your favourite browser?
22:26 < tcr> Where's the archive?
22:26 < rxr> domain owner is denic itself
22:26 < rxr> "archive" of /what/?
22:26 < tcr> ml
22:26 < rxr> it got created yesterday
22:26 < rxr> there is none yet
22:26 < rxr> s/it/the ml/ ...
22:38 -!- martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba1ff5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2
22:38 < rxr> rehi martin_
22:39 -!- blacky_ [~blacky@chello212186011183.402.14.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2
22:40 < blacky_> ist das Thema noch aktuell?
22:40 < valentin> blacky_ : welches thema ? and stay english pls ...
22:41 < blacky_> oh sorry...
22:41 < blacky_> i'v read the welcome message that the subject is 'Linux World Expo 26 - 28.October'
22:44 < valentin> oh, you wanted a free ticket ?
22:47 < blacky_> no, i don't have the time to go to frankfurt
22:49 < blacky_> but i'm interested whether some people from rock or t2 will do some presentations
22:52 < blacky_> i have to leave.. i wish a good night.
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22:53 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 @ Linux World Expo 26 - 28. October - 20 tickets for free, anyone?
22:53 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 @ Linux World Expo 26 - 28. October - 20(--) tickets for free, anyone?
22:53 < rxr> we would not give away tickets if we would not attend, would we? ...
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23:24  * rxr starting to crawl into bed ...
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23:39 < daja77> i have seen you all before :)
23:46 < rxr> hi daja77 
23:46 < daja77> hi
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