--- Log opened Wed Sep 22 00:00:19 2004 00:27 < rxr> jsaw_: e.g. when I want threecoumn instead of twocolumn? 00:27 < rxr> or any other adaption in such a style? Maybe you have some tip I overlooked? 01:26 < jsaw_> rxr: multicol.sty,geometry.sty etal are your friends 01:27 < jsaw_> fancyheadings.sty or fancyhdr.sty (forgot which is newer) 01:27 < jsaw_> what else... 01:29 < jsaw_> well, there are so many helper packages, there's definitely something that fits your needs. 01:35 < mnemoc> :) 01:35 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc 01:35 < mnemoc> hi jsaw_ 04:37 < jsaw_> rxr: [D] 2061106526 X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz http://www.freedesktop.org/~xorg/X11R6.8.1/src/m 04:38 < jsaw_> last "m" in line (xorg.desc) 04:38 < jsaw_> another thing that seems odd, from xorg.cache: [LOGS] 5-xorg.log 9-xfree86.log 10:47 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.248.16.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 10:47 -!- Topic for #t2: t2 - for everyone demanding an up-to-date and open system - pre-release until October the 1st 10:47 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Tue Sep 21 02:06:47 2004] 10:47 [Users #t2] 10:47 [ jsaw_] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 10:47 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 5 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 5 normal] 10:47 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 10:48 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 16 secs 10:58 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.215.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:50 < rxr_> re 12:51 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:51 < rxr> the cache is just due to sed running on the files to get correct dependencies ... 12:52 < rxr> only the first .log got substituted due to no /g for sed .. 12:53 < rxr> desc fixed - thanks! 12:53 < rxr> strange that I did not noticed testing it ... 16:27 < mnemoc> moin 16:30 < rxr> mon mnemoc 16:31 < mnemoc> hi rxr 16:32 < rxr> ho are you mnemoc ? 16:33 < mnemoc> i need 10 extra hours per day :\ 16:33 < rxr> yeah! /me too!!! 16:33 < mnemoc> 24 is too short 16:34 < rxr> yes, it really is, god should have made up the univere rotate a bit slower .... 16:34 < mnemoc> yeah 16:35 < mnemoc> OT: how do distributions handle java restrictions when distributing openoffice and evolution for example? 16:35 < rxr> or our life last longer ... 16:35 < mnemoc> ibm-java can't be downloaded outside US :( 16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: to live more doesn't solve the issue 16:35 < rxr> ? I downloaded it already from de ... 16:36 < rxr> evolution needs java? 16:36 < mnemoc> yep 16:36 < rxr> this is new ... 16:36 < mnemoc> oops 16:36 < mnemoc> i mean eclipse 16:36 < rxr> I heared OO can nowadays built wihtout java 16:36 < mnemoc> [[ $foo = e* ]] 16:36 < rxr> and some redhat guy hacked eclipse and gcj to built together ... 16:36 < mnemoc> gcj is enough? 16:37 < rxr> for OO I heared you can diable the java plugin crap - but this is just some 3rd pary talk ... 16:37 < rxr> the distributions seem to license java to ship it with the CDs ... 16:37 < rxr> at least they did the last time I checked ... 16:37 < mnemoc> is it full operative without java? 16:38 < rxr> or just download java at a place not labelled us-only ... 16:38 < rxr> I "heared" this java plugin crap of OO can be disabled - it would be functional except you would not be ablee to use Java plugins - who needs those anyway ... 16:38 < rxr> but I have not yet looked at the OO foobar ... 16:41 < mnemoc> eclipse patch at google or it was acepted upstream? 16:42 < rxr> I read about the eclipse hack at www.osnews.com I think 16:44 < mnemoc> another question: is gnome24->gnome28 trivial, easy or hard? 16:44 < rxr> well - I would erase the /opt/gnome* content and rebuild 16:44 < rxr> I guess building in a gnome installed system will mess some binaries up 16:45 < rxr> but it is mostly getting all the updates done and additional packages / build priorities right 16:45 < mnemoc> yes, but new deps or extra core packages? 16:45 < rxr> except a brain-dead patch for pango it was trical 16:45 < rxr> oum - some new core or better "desktop" platform packages - not that much IIRC 16:46 < rxr> just copy in the T2 stuff and add a quote "imported from T2 into personal tree" and you should be done 16:46 < rxr> I already handed out jsaw a password - you can get one, too - so would get full write access even 16:46 < rxr> aside that we soon open it up anyways *g* 16:47 < rxr> for gnome-28 only 4-5 new "add-on packages" are missing - and some obsolete to be deleted - but the core stuff build all well in my two nightly test builds on my cluster here ... 16:47 < mnemoc> ok :) 16:47 < mnemoc> can gimp be built without gtk14? 16:47 < rxr> big YES 16:48 < mnemoc> you are saving my day :p 16:48 < rxr> it is gtk+2.x for a long time now ... 16:48 < rxr> so you want to get access? 16:48 < mnemoc> sure :p 16:48 < mnemoc> i don't promise much work for the moment but i can start learning your new schema 17:02 < rxr> so - our Ogg Vorbis package got a lift, too - up at 1.1.0 now 17:04 < rxr> btw the new build system stuff just slowly starts, so no need to learn much new yet, you can use T2 as stable ROCK replacement ... 17:15 < rxr> yet another new package 19:13 < rxr> hm, cool a gcc-3.4.2 built spartc64 kernel is 2xxkB smaller then a 3.2.3 built one 19:13 < rxr> let's see if it does s.th. usefull ... ;-) 19:13 < rxr> useful even 19:16 < rxr> hm - cool, it even boots up ;-) - let's see if it survives a load test - /me hope the hard-lock behaviour of my previously built gcc-3.2 based binaries changes ... 19:22 < mnemoc> =) 19:56 < rxr> box still up ;-) 19:56 < rxr> I run ping in a loop in one terminal now - so I notice when it hangs again without listening to the hd noise or turning my head ;-) 19:57 < rxr> jsaw_: thanks for the multicol - works now ;-) 19:58 < rxr> (I should not run xmms on my only hardware audio stream - then I could use flite to speak to me when the box goes down ;-) 19:59 < mnemoc> rxr: do you _know_ scott wheeler? 19:59 < rxr> ... flite "Attention - your sparg froze again" ... ;-) 19:59 < mnemoc> hehe 19:59 < rxr> hm - no ? 19:59 < mnemoc> ok 19:59 < rxr> who is it? 20:00 < mnemoc> a 'famose' guy from kde which will talk here today 20:00 < mnemoc> http://www.kde.cl/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=5 20:00 < rxr> I know some other german people from KDE ... 20:01 < rxr> interesting ;-) 20:01 < mnemoc> i wanted to know if he is really _someone_ there :D 20:04 < rxr> hm - I guess he is, claiming to work for SAP ... 20:05 < rxr> I meet with some of the team leaders - this does not mean I do know everyone there ... *g* - the team is just too large - and I do not develop @ kde - I'm just a user .... 20:05 < rxr> ah - he is the author of the TagLib ;-) - ok then I at least know some of his code ;-) 20:06 < mnemoc> :p 20:06 < mnemoc> what is SAP? 20:08 < rxr> erhm. 20:08 < rxr> a huge company - developed "the" enterprise financial whatever software .... 20:08 < rxr> *g* 20:08 < rxr> http://www.sap.com 20:09 < mnemoc> oh, that SAP 20:09 < mnemoc> i thought SAP LinuxLab was something like sap.linuxlabs.com 20:41 < rxr> so - I near the end of a cool Linux Magazin article preview bash, sed and latex hack ... 20:42 < rxr> it does transform the magazine tags used by the magazine into s.th. latex is able to render ... 20:44 < rxr> cool - thing. should start throwing my publication stuff into subversion or so - so I do not easily screw all the crack up again ... 20:44 < rxr> hm - sparc still up ;-) 21:13 < rxr> hm - sparc still up - /me waiting for the freeze ;-) 21:23 < mnemoc> no freeze yet? 21:23 < rxr> nope - but this does not say much 21:24 < rxr> the avg. is twice a day or so ... 21:24 < rxr> so if the box is up tomorrow around lunch it is a better sign 21:24 < mnemoc> it's not much :p 21:25 < rxr> not freezing? 21:25 < rxr> or not much uptime? *g* 21:27 < mnemoc> not much time to way for a new record :p 21:27 < mnemoc> wait* 21:27 < rxr> yep - it can just crunch the T2 sparc64 build a bit further until then ;-) 21:27 < mnemoc> :p 21:28 < rxr> maybe the box just wants attention and likes to be pinged ;-) 21:29 < rxr> so some rock-solid IBM machine can ping the sad SUN the wohle day ... 21:30 < rxr> ok - the next new t2 package is on the way to be polished && tested ... 21:32 < rxr> david s. millers response to my private mail is not that informative as I hoped ... *sigh* 21:33 < rxr> so if the box freezes the next time I deflate a debian pre-build kernel and if that freezes, too complain at linux-kernel or decide it must be a hardware problem ... 21:34 < rxr> but I'm rather surpriced to find a gcc-3.4.x built 2.6 kernel run so long at all - I would have thought it would have more problems on the fragile sparc64 bit stuff ... 21:36 < mnemoc> do you thing they plan to get libstdc++ away from gcc some day? 21:42 < rxr> oh - in the past it was IIRC ... 21:42 < rxr> should not be that hard to split it into two seperate package in T2 ... 21:43 < rxr> in ROCK neither - just that I would not send a pkgfork complexity patch in for that ... 21:43 < rxr> do you highly demand it soon? I could work on such a beast in T": 21:43 < rxr> T2 even: 21:43 < rxr> gcc-c 21:43 < rxr> gcc-c++ 21:43 < rxr> gcc-java 21:43 < rxr> gcc-libstdc++ 21:43 < rxr> ... 21:48 < mnemoc> oh 21:52 < rxr> ? 21:53 < mnemoc> big split 21:53 < mnemoc> do you split it after build or one build per part? 21:53 < rxr> I have not yet split it ... 21:54 < rxr> but I would split it into really seperated packages and just build the parts requested - to save compile time when you only really want one ... 21:54 < rxr> I'm not a fan of the ROCK pkgsplit and -fork stuff ... 21:57 < rxr> http://www.cptech.org/ip/wipo/genevadeclaration.html 21:58 < rxr> sparc box still running - I must admit it managed to freeze sooner with gcc-3.2 built kernels - the 3.4 one is already running quite well ... 21:58 * rxr is currently happy about every minute ... 21:58 < mnemoc> =) 21:59 < mnemoc> OT: what is/was newlib? 22:02 < rxr> IIRC an alternative C library implementation, some stripped down glibc or so ... 22:03 < rxr> IIRC it might even be commercial and then bought by redhat or so ... - but I never looked that deep into it ... 22:04 < mnemoc> aha 22:06 < rxr> cool - T2 build on the sundown progresses further ;-) gcc just rebuilt itself, incl. the C++ parts ... and all the other stuff that failed due to broken dependencies now builds fine - yeah ... 22:07 < rxr> sundown == my freezing sparc64 box .... 22:12 < rxr> wow - onl crap on tv - so I have to watch some old video from my raid5 device during lunch, ... 22:12 < mnemoc> =) 23:09 < rxr> hm ;-) box still living ;-) 23:50 < rxr> cool 23:50 < rxr> == 09/23/04 23:44:36 =[5]=> Finished building package alliance. --- Log closed Thu Sep 23 00:00:33 2004