T2 IRC Log: 2010-09-10
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04:57 < keinek> hi
04:57 < keinek> i need help
04:57 < keinek> i was install a basic t2 minimalistic.
04:57 < keinek> but i dont have usb support.
04:57 < keinek> what package need to emerge?
04:57 < keinek> I need mount usb stick, and i need use a mobile modem 3G for download the source from there.
04:58 < keinek> i use wvdial, but... every usb stick... is like dont exist, in dmesg appear, but i cant mount anything.
04:59 < keinek> i cant remember what package or service need to do that.
04:59 < keinek> i was emerge usb-utils
05:00 < keinek> but is still dont work.
05:04 < keinek> well, i started a new compilation but this time for desktop, i hope that include everthing, but i still in debian, i wanna do the system in the t2 host.
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10:41 <@rxr> re
10:42 < uid9909> hey there
10:56 <@rxr> hey you
10:56 <@rxr> moin all
11:14 < uid9909> rxr: fyi posted two patches yesterday on the irc
11:37 < CIA-32> rene * r37593 /trunk/package/shells/mc/mc.desc: * updated mc (4.7.0.8 -> 4.7.0.9)
11:43 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/nagios.html
11:46 <@rxr> the xmail install prodecure really has to be cleanedup, ...
11:46 <@rxr> is there some reason you copy it into /opt/MailRoot
11:46 <@rxr> can it not live elsewhere?
11:47 < uid9909> sure where shoud i put it?
11:47 < uid9909> it has to be in its own directory though
11:47 < uid9909> var opt xmail ?
11:48 <@rxr> ok, but then it should set it's prefix to opt/ whatver, and still use the prefix other could change
11:48 <@rxr> and yes, I would like xmail by default better :-)
11:49 < rogermas`> Hello all.
11:51 < rogermas`> I'm going to post a patch here for comment. I hope that is OK. I'm paticularly interested to find how to implement this using hooks.
11:52 < rogermas`> texlive_build () {
11:52 < rogermas`> tar --use-compress-program xz -xf `match_source_file -p source`
11:52 < rogermas`> cd $builddir/texlive-20091107-source
11:52 < rogermas`> eval env TL_INSTALL_DEST=/opt/texlive ./Build --disable-xindy --disable-multiplatform
11:52 < rogermas`> tar -C /opt/texlive --strip-components 1 --use-compress-program xz -xf `match_source_file -p texmf`
11:52 < rogermas`> }
11:52 < rogermas`> autoextract=0
11:52 < rogermas`> custmain=texlive_build
11:52 < rogermas`>
11:53 <@rxr> makeopt=
11:53 <@rxr> makeintopt=
11:53 <@rxr> hook_add inmake 5 textlive_build
11:53 <@rxr> --
11:54 <@rxr> that would be enough, insted of the custmain=
11:54 <@rxr> --
11:54 <@rxr> I would, however, further split it into unpacking the source in another hook, so that T2 *.patch files could automatically be applied
11:56 < rogermas`> OK. Thanks, I'll see what I can do.
11:56 <@rxr> but first steps first
11:56 <@rxr> just they the easy hook and we commit it for further future improvements
11:56 < CIA-32> rene * r37594 /trunk/package/shells/mc/mc.desc: * updated mc (4.7.0.9 -> 4.7.4)
11:57 < uid9909> rxr: got a question regarding git checkouts
11:58 < uid9909> they do work fine but somehow the Download has trouble with it - i think it is not well suited for the progress bar procedure implemted in Download
11:58 < uid9909> 9/10 times a git checkout fails
11:58 <@rxr> the progress bar comes from curl, git checkouts don't show that
11:58 < uid9909> ah k
11:59 < uid9909> can i comment out any line in Download to inverstigate this further
11:59 < uid9909> i would like to do some testing on bleeding edge repos
11:59 <@rxr> sure
11:59 < uid9909> and some of them are via git
11:59 <@rxr> why the heck did you build xmail in stage 7 ?
12:00 < uid9909> i used another mail package as template
12:00 < uid9909> is that bad ?
12:00 <@rxr> not needed, and we want to get rid of this stage stuff anyway :-)
12:00 < uid9909> was not aware of that
12:00 <@rxr> default is 5 and 9
12:01 < uid9909> k
12:01 <@rxr> if you need something else you should know why you want it _9
12:01 <@rxr> :-) even
12:01 < uid9909> 9 is used for emerging on the host itself - so i have been told
12:03 <@rxr> yes, and if one configures to "build everything again" for "Target builds"
12:08 < CIA-32> rene * r37595 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-mouse/xf86-input-mouse.desc: * updated xf86-input-mouse (1.5.0 -> 1.6.0)
12:18 < rogermas`> it looks like I need to stop t2 calling 'make' on the inmake hook. Is there a way to do that?
12:24 < rogermas`> please ignore my last question: I had a typo.
12:26 <@rxr> that is why I had the makeopt= ; makeinstopt= # lines in my listing
12:33 < rogermas`> Thanks. It is compiling now.
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13:00 < CIA-32> rene * r37597 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (1.3.4 -> 1.3.5)
13:00 < CIA-32> rene * r37596 /trunk/package/gnome2/meld/meld.desc: * updated meld (1.3.2 -> 1.3.3)
13:00 < CIA-32> rene * r37598 /trunk/package/graphic/argyllcms/argyllcms.desc: * updated argyllcms (1.03 -> 1.3.0)
13:00 < CIA-32> rene * r37599 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (3.25 -> 3.26)
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14:49 < keinek> morning
14:49 < keinek> :)
15:39 <@rxr> moin
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15:39 < keinek> hi rxr
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15:40 < keinek> rxr: what package are needed for support usb stick?
15:40 < keinek> hotplug?
15:41 < keinek> next mounth i will have again adsl, and i dont need this modem usb anymore!
15:41 < keinek> :)
15:41 <@rxr> I guess you mean some desktop environment like gnome and kde to show an icon?
15:41 < keinek> now i was download the source for a desktop, but i remove all kde.
15:41 < keinek> rxr: no.
15:42 <@rxr> otherwise you shoudl just be able to mount it as root: mount /dev/sd? /mnt/whatever
15:42 < keinek> rxr: i mean how to mount usb stick from console.
15:42 < keinek> console... i still dont have console....
15:42 <@rxr> should show up as /dev/sd* you can mount whereever
15:42 < keinek> from terminal.
15:42 <@rxr> no package for that, just mount
15:43 < keinek> rxr: yes... but in the minimalistic... /dev/sd* work? I thing that i need some package for active usb stick
15:43 < keinek> in debian when i do dmesg appear the new /dev/sd* when i connect
15:43 < keinek> but now in t2, dont.
15:44 < keinek> i dont know... usbutils? plugdev?
15:44 <@rxr> hm, really should, maybe try if running "depmod -a" helps
15:44 <@rxr> usually just works for me without any fluff
15:44 < keinek> ok
15:45 < keinek> ok... i will try
15:45 < keinek> but when you connect the usb stick, in dmesg should show the new /dev/sd* right?
15:45 < keinek> here is not work... i try with depmod -a
15:46 < keinek> thanks rxr, now is download for compile new desktop without kde.
15:46 <@rxr> I do not look into the kernel log every time, ...
15:46 <@rxr> worked after demod -a ?
15:47 < keinek> now i am in debian download the stuff. t2 is still out the net...
15:48 < keinek> i download the source in debian... then... copy the source to the filesystem of t2, then reboot, and there do everthing :)
15:48 < keinek> now is download to 3k...
15:48 < keinek> 3G modem in edge modem is a nightmare hahaha
15:49 < keinek> oh... i do some modification to download script... i do -notimeout for default.
15:50 < keinek> cos... 3k is too slow for t2...
15:50 < keinek> :)
15:51 < keinek> rxr: ok?
15:52 <@rxr> hm?
15:52 < keinek> you can understand me?
15:52 < keinek> my problem is the internet now.
15:53 <@rxr> sure, just did not got what you wanted my ok for :-)
15:53 < keinek> when i have the t2 connect to the net, everthing going well :)
15:53 < keinek> oh just telling my troubles starting again with t2.
15:53 < keinek> :P
15:53 <@rxr> yeah, sorry
15:54 < keinek> this my hobby.
15:54 < keinek> i want to make a t2 from source with a poor modem usb 3g in edge mode.
15:54 < keinek> i make a minimalistic iso from debian.
15:54 < keinek> but now, for making a desktok, the compilation die in orbit in stage 0.
15:55 <@rxr> I hope you have a data plan flatrate?
15:55 < keinek> so... i will download everthing from debian... then copy everthinh to the hard disk with t2, and then do the compilation with t2. :)
15:55 <@rxr> you can ignore thire orbit failure
15:55 <@rxr> I should fix that properly in trunk :-(
15:55 <@rxr> just touch the log file, like:
15:56 <@rxr> touch build/.../var/adm/logs/0-orbit2.log and the build should continue
15:56 < keinek> orbit fail in t2 host too?
15:56 < keinek> what do touch?
15:56 < keinek> so the compilation in debian then work fine...?
15:57 < keinek> i thing that was a problem with the host system...
15:57 < keinek> rxr: dataplan... yeah... i but every week a pack for seven days, and 2 gigas of data.
15:57 < keinek> buy*
15:58 < keinek> but one frien next to my house... is waiting for adsl with adsl wifi modem router... so i help with some money, and both have adsl together :)
15:59 < keinek> what do touch?
16:01 < keinek> 0-orbit2.err is the same?
16:01 < keinek> .log does not exist
16:01 < keinek> ohhh this make a false log?
16:02 < keinek> only for making continue?
16:02 < keinek> i understand... thanks rxr
16:03 < keinek> sorry for talk a lot.
16:04 < keinek> a long time ago without t2... some think i remember... some not :)
16:04 < keinek> thing*
16:16 <@rxr> what they want to delete the T2 page again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
16:16 <@rxr> I guess it is time to boycot this stupid site
16:30 < rogermas`> Is it OK to rm -rf specific builds? Or, is there a means selectively to delete builds using Cleanup? I'm running out of disk space on a 20G partition.
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16:43 < rogermas`> rxr: I've never written for Wikipedia, but I wonder what will happen if I/we just re-create it using their article creation wizard.
16:59 <@rxr> someone already re-created it some months ago, and now it was deleted again
16:59 <@rxr> Wikipedia suckx
17:00 < koan> rxr: maybe point them to my article on LWN.net? if that isn't a sufficiently independent source...
17:00 < rogermas`> koan: yes. I was going to suggest transcribing that article to Wikipedia.
17:01 < rogermas`> Got to go for a while: I have to resize a partition.
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17:02 <@rxr> I'm not an wikip expert, ...
17:04 < koan> the problem seems to be that they think T2 isn't notable enough, a reference to a recent article on LWN.net about the T2 8.0 release should (partially?) counter that
17:04 < koan> but I don't know what the procedure is for that
17:08 * rxr neither
17:11 <@rxr> funny that a dozen other articles of course still link to this twice deleted [[T2 SDE]]] page, ...
17:11 <@rxr> if that alone is not expressing relevance enough
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17:15 < rogermason> before I resize that partition. I want to add 10G to /dev/sda3, which is mounted on rootfs and /. I assume I can boot a Knoppix cd or similar?
17:16 <@rxr> sure, or just the installer image you used to install T2
17:16 <@rxr> whatever you have at hand I would say
17:16 <@rxr> http://rene.rebe.de/2010-09-09/one-more-thing/
17:18 < rogermason> thanks. Wish me luck :).
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17:30 <@rxr> please help exapnd and polish so they do not delete it again - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
17:35 < koan> added my LWN review
17:37 <@rxr> yes, I just did
17:37 <@rxr> did too, ref in the text
17:37 <@rxr> will add back the other refs from google chach
17:38 <@rxr> too bad I do not find a diff in the wikipedia history to the original source
17:45 <@rxr> it is really so much work to get all those links setup properly again
17:51 < uid9909> http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Meta-Distribution-T2-in-Version-8-0-1039094.html
17:52 < uid9909> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/T2-System-Development-Environment-8-0-arrives-1039188.html
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04:57 < keinek> hi
04:57 < keinek> i need help
04:57 < keinek> i was install a basic t2 minimalistic.
04:57 < keinek> but i dont have usb support.
04:57 < keinek> what package need to emerge?
04:57 < keinek> I need mount usb stick, and i need use a mobile modem 3G for download the source from there.
04:58 < keinek> i use wvdial, but... every usb stick... is like dont exist, in dmesg appear, but i cant mount anything.
04:59 < keinek> i cant remember what package or service need to do that.
04:59 < keinek> i was emerge usb-utils
05:00 < keinek> but is still dont work.
05:04 < keinek> well, i started a new compilation but this time for desktop, i hope that include everthing, but i still in debian, i wanna do the system in the t2 host.
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10:41 <@rxr> re
10:42 < uid9909> hey there
10:56 <@rxr> hey you
10:56 <@rxr> moin all
11:14 < uid9909> rxr: fyi posted two patches yesterday on the irc
11:37 < CIA-32> rene * r37593 /trunk/package/shells/mc/mc.desc: * updated mc (4.7.0.8 -> 4.7.0.9)
11:43 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/nagios.html
11:46 <@rxr> the xmail install prodecure really has to be cleanedup, ...
11:46 <@rxr> is there some reason you copy it into /opt/MailRoot
11:46 <@rxr> can it not live elsewhere?
11:47 < uid9909> sure where shoud i put it?
11:47 < uid9909> it has to be in its own directory though
11:47 < uid9909> var opt xmail ?
11:48 <@rxr> ok, but then it should set it's prefix to opt/ whatver, and still use the prefix other could change
11:48 <@rxr> and yes, I would like xmail by default better :-)
11:49 < rogermas`> Hello all.
11:51 < rogermas`> I'm going to post a patch here for comment. I hope that is OK. I'm paticularly interested to find how to implement this using hooks.
11:52 < rogermas`> texlive_build () {
11:52 < rogermas`> tar --use-compress-program xz -xf `match_source_file -p source`
11:52 < rogermas`> cd $builddir/texlive-20091107-source
11:52 < rogermas`> eval env TL_INSTALL_DEST=/opt/texlive ./Build --disable-xindy --disable-multiplatform
11:52 < rogermas`> tar -C /opt/texlive --strip-components 1 --use-compress-program xz -xf `match_source_file -p texmf`
11:52 < rogermas`> }
11:52 < rogermas`> autoextract=0
11:52 < rogermas`> custmain=texlive_build
11:52 < rogermas`>
11:53 <@rxr> makeopt=
11:53 <@rxr> makeintopt=
11:53 <@rxr> hook_add inmake 5 textlive_build
11:53 <@rxr> --
11:54 <@rxr> that would be enough, insted of the custmain=
11:54 <@rxr> --
11:54 <@rxr> I would, however, further split it into unpacking the source in another hook, so that T2 *.patch files could automatically be applied
11:56 < rogermas`> OK. Thanks, I'll see what I can do.
11:56 <@rxr> but first steps first
11:56 <@rxr> just they the easy hook and we commit it for further future improvements
11:56 < CIA-32> rene * r37594 /trunk/package/shells/mc/mc.desc: * updated mc (4.7.0.9 -> 4.7.4)
11:57 < uid9909> rxr: got a question regarding git checkouts
11:58 < uid9909> they do work fine but somehow the Download has trouble with it - i think it is not well suited for the progress bar procedure implemted in Download
11:58 < uid9909> 9/10 times a git checkout fails
11:58 <@rxr> the progress bar comes from curl, git checkouts don't show that
11:58 < uid9909> ah k
11:59 < uid9909> can i comment out any line in Download to inverstigate this further
11:59 < uid9909> i would like to do some testing on bleeding edge repos
11:59 <@rxr> sure
11:59 < uid9909> and some of them are via git
11:59 <@rxr> why the heck did you build xmail in stage 7 ?
12:00 < uid9909> i used another mail package as template
12:00 < uid9909> is that bad ?
12:00 <@rxr> not needed, and we want to get rid of this stage stuff anyway :-)
12:00 < uid9909> was not aware of that
12:00 <@rxr> default is 5 and 9
12:01 < uid9909> k
12:01 <@rxr> if you need something else you should know why you want it _9
12:01 <@rxr> :-) even
12:01 < uid9909> 9 is used for emerging on the host itself - so i have been told
12:03 <@rxr> yes, and if one configures to "build everything again" for "Target builds"
12:08 < CIA-32> rene * r37595 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-mouse/xf86-input-mouse.desc: * updated xf86-input-mouse (1.5.0 -> 1.6.0)
12:18 < rogermas`> it looks like I need to stop t2 calling 'make' on the inmake hook. Is there a way to do that?
12:24 < rogermas`> please ignore my last question: I had a typo.
12:26 <@rxr> that is why I had the makeopt= ; makeinstopt= # lines in my listing
12:33 < rogermas`> Thanks. It is compiling now.
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13:00 < CIA-32> rene * r37596 /trunk/package/gnome2/meld/meld.desc: * updated meld (1.3.2 -> 1.3.3)
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14:49 < keinek> morning
14:49 < keinek> :)
15:39 <@rxr> moin
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15:39 < keinek> hi rxr
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15:40 < keinek> rxr: what package are needed for support usb stick?
15:40 < keinek> hotplug?
15:41 < keinek> next mounth i will have again adsl, and i dont need this modem usb anymore!
15:41 < keinek> :)
15:41 <@rxr> I guess you mean some desktop environment like gnome and kde to show an icon?
15:41 < keinek> now i was download the source for a desktop, but i remove all kde.
15:41 < keinek> rxr: no.
15:42 <@rxr> otherwise you shoudl just be able to mount it as root: mount /dev/sd? /mnt/whatever
15:42 < keinek> rxr: i mean how to mount usb stick from console.
15:42 < keinek> console... i still dont have console....
15:42 <@rxr> should show up as /dev/sd* you can mount whereever
15:42 < keinek> from terminal.
15:42 <@rxr> no package for that, just mount
15:43 < keinek> rxr: yes... but in the minimalistic... /dev/sd* work? I thing that i need some package for active usb stick
15:43 < keinek> in debian when i do dmesg appear the new /dev/sd* when i connect
15:43 < keinek> but now in t2, dont.
15:44 < keinek> i dont know... usbutils? plugdev?
15:44 <@rxr> hm, really should, maybe try if running "depmod -a" helps
15:44 <@rxr> usually just works for me without any fluff
15:44 < keinek> ok
15:45 < keinek> ok... i will try
15:45 < keinek> but when you connect the usb stick, in dmesg should show the new /dev/sd* right?
15:45 < keinek> here is not work... i try with depmod -a
15:46 < keinek> thanks rxr, now is download for compile new desktop without kde.
15:46 <@rxr> I do not look into the kernel log every time, ...
15:46 <@rxr> worked after demod -a ?
15:47 < keinek> now i am in debian download the stuff. t2 is still out the net...
15:48 < keinek> i download the source in debian... then... copy the source to the filesystem of t2, then reboot, and there do everthing :)
15:48 < keinek> now is download to 3k...
15:48 < keinek> 3G modem in edge modem is a nightmare hahaha
15:49 < keinek> oh... i do some modification to download script... i do -notimeout for default.
15:50 < keinek> cos... 3k is too slow for t2...
15:50 < keinek> :)
15:51 < keinek> rxr: ok?
15:52 <@rxr> hm?
15:52 < keinek> you can understand me?
15:52 < keinek> my problem is the internet now.
15:53 <@rxr> sure, just did not got what you wanted my ok for :-)
15:53 < keinek> when i have the t2 connect to the net, everthing going well :)
15:53 < keinek> oh just telling my troubles starting again with t2.
15:53 < keinek> :P
15:53 <@rxr> yeah, sorry
15:54 < keinek> this my hobby.
15:54 < keinek> i want to make a t2 from source with a poor modem usb 3g in edge mode.
15:54 < keinek> i make a minimalistic iso from debian.
15:54 < keinek> but now, for making a desktok, the compilation die in orbit in stage 0.
15:55 <@rxr> I hope you have a data plan flatrate?
15:55 < keinek> so... i will download everthing from debian... then copy everthinh to the hard disk with t2, and then do the compilation with t2. :)
15:55 <@rxr> you can ignore thire orbit failure
15:55 <@rxr> I should fix that properly in trunk :-(
15:55 <@rxr> just touch the log file, like:
15:56 <@rxr> touch build/.../var/adm/logs/0-orbit2.log and the build should continue
15:56 < keinek> orbit fail in t2 host too?
15:56 < keinek> what do touch?
15:56 < keinek> so the compilation in debian then work fine...?
15:57 < keinek> i thing that was a problem with the host system...
15:57 < keinek> rxr: dataplan... yeah... i but every week a pack for seven days, and 2 gigas of data.
15:57 < keinek> buy*
15:58 < keinek> but one frien next to my house... is waiting for adsl with adsl wifi modem router... so i help with some money, and both have adsl together :)
15:59 < keinek> what do touch?
16:01 < keinek> 0-orbit2.err is the same?
16:01 < keinek> .log does not exist
16:01 < keinek> ohhh this make a false log?
16:02 < keinek> only for making continue?
16:02 < keinek> i understand... thanks rxr
16:03 < keinek> sorry for talk a lot.
16:04 < keinek> a long time ago without t2... some think i remember... some not :)
16:04 < keinek> thing*
16:16 <@rxr> what they want to delete the T2 page again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
16:16 <@rxr> I guess it is time to boycot this stupid site
16:30 < rogermas`> Is it OK to rm -rf specific builds? Or, is there a means selectively to delete builds using Cleanup? I'm running out of disk space on a 20G partition.
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16:43 < rogermas`> rxr: I've never written for Wikipedia, but I wonder what will happen if I/we just re-create it using their article creation wizard.
16:59 <@rxr> someone already re-created it some months ago, and now it was deleted again
16:59 <@rxr> Wikipedia suckx
17:00 < koan> rxr: maybe point them to my article on LWN.net? if that isn't a sufficiently independent source...
17:00 < rogermas`> koan: yes. I was going to suggest transcribing that article to Wikipedia.
17:01 < rogermas`> Got to go for a while: I have to resize a partition.
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17:02 <@rxr> I'm not an wikip expert, ...
17:04 < koan> the problem seems to be that they think T2 isn't notable enough, a reference to a recent article on LWN.net about the T2 8.0 release should (partially?) counter that
17:04 < koan> but I don't know what the procedure is for that
17:08 * rxr neither
17:11 <@rxr> funny that a dozen other articles of course still link to this twice deleted [[T2 SDE]]] page, ...
17:11 <@rxr> if that alone is not expressing relevance enough
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17:15 < rogermason> before I resize that partition. I want to add 10G to /dev/sda3, which is mounted on rootfs and /. I assume I can boot a Knoppix cd or similar?
17:16 <@rxr> sure, or just the installer image you used to install T2
17:16 <@rxr> whatever you have at hand I would say
17:16 <@rxr> http://rene.rebe.de/2010-09-09/one-more-thing/
17:18 < rogermason> thanks. Wish me luck :).
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17:30 <@rxr> please help exapnd and polish so they do not delete it again - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
17:35 < koan> added my LWN review
17:37 <@rxr> yes, I just did
17:37 <@rxr> did too, ref in the text
17:37 <@rxr> will add back the other refs from google chach
17:38 <@rxr> too bad I do not find a diff in the wikipedia history to the original source
17:45 <@rxr> it is really so much work to get all those links setup properly again
17:51 < uid9909> http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Meta-Distribution-T2-in-Version-8-0-1039094.html
17:52 < uid9909> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/T2-System-Development-Environment-8-0-arrives-1039188.html
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