T2 IRC Log: 2010-08-18

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--- Log opened Wed Aug 18 00:00:49 2010
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09:30 < Baldzius> moin
10:43 <@rxr> moin
10:43 <@rxr> hi Baldzius
10:48 < CIA-32> rene * r37319 /trunk/scripts/config.cache:
10:48 < CIA-32> "Dmitry S. Vasilchenko" :
10:48 < CIA-32> * added new, alternative /dev/urandom variabel to the default config.cache
10:52 < Baldzius> moin rxr
10:54 < Baldzius> rxr : could you sync irc log and package matrix
10:54 <@rxr> heh
10:54 <@rxr> you use it excessively, hm?
10:55 < Baldzius> rconstruct brought fonts issue before I left home
10:55 < Baldzius> want to see the log
10:56 < Baldzius> and yes, packages page is like my home page
10:57 < Baldzius> I hope it will be done automatically soon
10:57 <@rxr> up
10:57 < Baldzius> thanks
11:40 < rogermason> Hello. Anyone interested in adding TexLive as a replacement for teTeX?
11:48 < Baldzius> fine for me/never used anyway
11:49 < Baldzius> as long as it doesn't break anything big
11:52 < rogermason> There are (at least) two ways to do the install. First is to download and run a small installer. The other is to download some tarballs. The latters method is directed toward package maintainers. Do you care which I (try to) implement in T2?
11:54 < Baldzius> have no opinion on this :/
11:55 < koan> isn't the second way the 'cleanest', most t2-like?
11:57 < rogermason> koan: yes, I suppose it is. It's just that the tug website says "Please don't download these from tug.org unless you know you need them."
12:02 < koan> does teTeX also have these two types of installations? and which one is used in the T2 package?
12:14 < rogermason> koan: tetex uses tarballs (only, as far as I can see).
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16:05 <@rxr> re
16:10 < zod> hi there
16:10 < zod> i'm trying some "simple" steps with t2 and wanted to build a minimal set of packages and left most other options at there default values
16:11 < zod> but the build fails because of gcc ("cd pic; \n ar rc ./libiberty.a \n ./regex.o ./cplus-dem.o ./cp-demangle.o ./md5.o ./sha1.o ./alloca.o ./ .."
16:24 <@rxr> hm
16:24 <@rxr> where do you get to that?
16:27 < zod> while building gcc
16:27 <@rxr> hm never seen
16:31 < Baldzius> rxr: do you have kvm 0.12.5 update locally?
16:31 <@rxr> nope
16:31 < Baldzius> as we have qemu 0.12.5
16:31 < Baldzius> already
16:32 < Baldzius> you don't need qemu while compiling kvm?
16:34 <@rxr> no
16:34 <@rxr> kvm is a whole fork
16:34 <@rxr> the releases are totally freestanding
16:35 <@rxr> though the advanced kvm features are slowly merged back into qemu
16:35 <@rxr> so in some N years the kvm package may be history
16:41 < Baldzius> ic, so both packages will share some files if both are installed?
16:44 <@rxr> ehm, yes, a few
16:44 <@rxr> we could theoritically fix that
16:44 <@rxr> but I personally only use kvm (mostly) anyway
16:44 < Baldzius> got it, thanks
16:45 <@rxr> the shared files really could be fixed if we wanted to
16:45 < Baldzius> I wonder is there any packages still using sasl1?
16:45 * rxr too
16:45 < Baldzius> we could drop it and remove hack from sasl2
16:45 <@rxr> yeah, ...
16:45 <@rxr> grep cache files
16:45 < Baldzius> so no more stupid patches needed
16:45 <@rxr> also one of the net libs is such a case
16:46 < Baldzius> I will do clean ref
16:46 <@rxr> dnet or what it was
16:46 <@rxr> the one I mean is unmaintained for years
16:46 <@rxr> and we got a 1.1 version that some minor tools use
16:46 <@rxr> however, the biggest user would be snort, and snort needds and even older 1.0 release of it :-(
16:46 <@rxr> and yet, this is a years unmaintained package, sigh !
16:46 < Baldzius> hm
16:46 < Baldzius> I'll check
16:47 <@rxr> snort.conf:
16:47 <@rxr> # snort-inline isn't building due to libnet 1.02a dependency
16:47 <@rxr> # see Note above
16:47 <@rxr> # var_append extraconfopt " " "--enable-inline"
16:47 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/libnet.html
16:48 <@rxr> I find it pretty amazing that snort (which is crap code btw. anyway) relies on such an aging, unmainteined cruft for it's all so important inline IPS mode, ...
16:50 < CIA-32> rene * r37320 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.14.1 -> 0.14.2)
16:51 < CIA-32> rene * r37322 /trunk/package/filesystem/ceph/ceph.desc: * updated ceph (0.21 -> 0.21.1)
16:52 <@rxr> the "few" packages that have the non 2 sasl in their .cache are also mostly having the sasl2 in their cache
16:52 < CIA-32> rene * r37321 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.75 -> 0.77)
16:52 < Baldzius> super
16:52 <@rxr> so maybe the few cache entries are actually false positives, checking some -config or so thing and then using the header and libs from the new flavour
16:52 <@rxr> hopefully
16:52 < Baldzius> going home
16:52 < Baldzius> cu tomorrow
16:52 <@rxr> heh
16:52 <@rxr> cu
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17:18 < CIA-32> rene * r37324 /trunk/package/mail/dovecot/dovecot.desc: * updated dovecot (1.2.13 -> 2.0.0)
17:18 < CIA-32> rene * r37323 /trunk/package/network/dbus-glib/dbus-glib.desc: * updated dbus-glib (0.86 -> 0.88)
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18:03 < koan> ./scripts/Config: line 124: enable: cannot open shared object src/luabash.so: src/luabash.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
18:03 < koan> I get this when I want to execute Config
18:05 <@rxr> yeah need to fix that
18:05 <@rxr> happens when the config tools are rebuild while the build is in a later stage
18:07 < koan> so how do I revert Config to a working state?
18:07 <@rxr> I think stop build, scripts/cleanup and the scripts/Config works
18:09 < koan> ok now luabash.so is rebuilt and works, thanks
18:12 <@rxr> I should really track and fix it
18:13 <@rxr> the config stuff should only run in the native stage, ...
18:13 <@rxr> actually you are one of the first to note this, I guess most build do not change the config or so while a build is running
18:13 <@rxr> so I know this mostly by my own power-use of editing wildly while builds are running, ... :-)
18:13 < koan> :-)
18:21 <@rxr> damn
18:21 <@rxr> on my G5 X won't start anymore, just did the other day
18:21 <@rxr> complining about kernel driver using the card already, guess nouveau and it's ne friends :-(
18:21 <@rxr> damn, just used to work until some days ago
18:22 < koan> nouveau still doesn't build here, that's already since a few days
18:22 <@rxr> yes, we need to update it
18:22 <@rxr> it's an old snapshow
18:26 <@rxr> guess time to Emerge git on the G5, ...
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19:07 < CIA-32> rene * r37325 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau.desc: * updated xf86-video-nouveau (2009-12-28 -> 2010-08-15)
19:09 <@rxr> stops on autoconf glibberish on the g5 though
19:09 <@rxr> will hunt another day
19:47 < CIA-32> rene * r37326 /trunk/package/vdr/vdr/ (pkg_linux26_pre.conf pkg_linux26_pre.conf.disabled): * disable vdr/pk_linux26_pre glue, fails for me for some time
19:50 < CIA-32> rene * r37327 /trunk/package/ (audio/esound/devfs.patch.disabled filesystem/devfsd/): * removed some devfsd and an already disbaled devfs.patch, there comes a time to say goodby
19:53 < CIA-32> rene * r37328 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * removed some more devfsd related config glue
19:53 <@rxr> baldzius will fall in love with those ones :-) I really know it!!!
19:53 <@rxr> may win the mr propper ward with those revs
20:00 <@rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
20:00 <@rxr> ah whatever, ...
20:05 < CIA-32> rene * r37329 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/ (mkinitrd.desc mkinitrd.sh):
20:05 < CIA-32> * updated mkinitrd (2005-12-26 -> 2010-08-18), copy all modprobe.*
20:05 < CIA-32> files, not just the very new modprobe.d directory
20:10 <@rxr> heh, cool, the "Snow Leopard Graphis Update" comse to my aging MacBookPro3,1 - I hope it also improves a thing :-)
20:14 <@rxr> ok, at least it does not yet feel slower :-/
20:17 <@rxr> too bad I have nothing with fps to meassure, hope the Terminal, Xcode scroll faster :-)
20:54 < koan> rxr: I created a rootfs/etc/skel/.xinitrc in my target directory, and I installed the resulting ISO, but the file isn't in /etc/skel, did I forget a step? or does this only work with the live CD?
--- Log closed Thu Aug 19 00:00:49 2010