--- Log opened Thu Jul 15 00:00:07 2010 00:19 -!- mjungwirth [~mjungwirt@213.174.252.112] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 02:18 -!- mjungwirth [~mjungwirt@213.174.234.68] has joined #t2 02:20 -!- mjungwirth2 [~mjungwirt@213.174.234.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:55 -!- rogermason [~user@CPE001b639d4751-CM0011aea11450.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:55 -!- Baldzius [~aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #t2 08:55 < Baldzius> moin 09:48 -!- T-One [~T-One@194.183.141.238] has joined #t2 09:57 -!- mjungwirth2 [~mjungwirt@213.174.252.112] has joined #t2 10:07 < rxr> re 10:15 < rxr> hi Baldzius 10:17 < rxr> Baldzius: release "codename" phoenix, or "not quite dead yet" ? 10:32 < Baldzius> hey rxr 10:32 < Baldzius> :) 10:32 < Baldzius> sounds fancy 10:56 < rxr> which one ? 10:56 < rxr> historically I choose the release names from phrases in the music that matched and I just happen to listen while I work on the release 10:56 < Baldzius> phoenix with it's explanation :) 10:57 < rxr> Phoenix might match nicely, but I have no music with Phoenix in the text at hand 10:57 < Baldzius> phoenix sounds great 10:57 < rxr> whlie I think I listen to something with not quite dead yet in the song some weeks ago :-9 10:57 < rxr> ok, so I keep that, I already used it in the news index 10:57 < rxr> was just not quite sure yet 10:57 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/ 10:59 < Baldzius> latest autotools update prevents autogen from compiling 10:59 < Baldzius> not a big issue I'd say 10:59 < Baldzius> affects both trees 10:59 < rxr> autogen is not so used / needed right? 10:59 < rxr> maybe it is easily patchable ? 10:59 < Baldzius> hardly 10:59 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/ 11:00 < rxr> Baldzius: but please don't delete it :-) 11:00 < Baldzius> I don't this is a problem 11:00 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/8.0.html 11:00 < Baldzius> I won't delete anything from 8.0 4 sure 11:00 < rxr> suggests for text on those places welcome 11:00 < rxr> Baldzius: thanks 11:01 < rxr> you know I really like keeping some older stuff 11:01 < rxr> sepcailly if it is fixable or whatever 11:01 < Baldzius> I don't mind them only don't like when they stop my build 11:01 < rxr> we really get quite some hits and PR from being the last place on earth for some esoteric things 11:01 < Baldzius> that's all :) 11:01 < rxr> I know 11:01 < rxr> put it in your blacklist 11:01 < Baldzius> yeah, already have over 200 11:02 < koan> rxr: "classic installer images can not be fully cross-compiled" -> shouldn't 'not' be 'now'? 11:02 < rxr> thanks 11:04 < koan> btw, what's about the shift from T2 2.1 to 6.0? why was there such a gap in the version numbers? 11:04 < rxr> we wanted to use the year - 2000 as version and release once a year 11:04 < rxr> s 6.0 was in 2006, 7.0 was supposed to be in 2007 and 8.0 was targetted for 2008 11:05 < rxr> unfortunately that did not work out too well :-) 11:05 < koan> :-) 11:06 < rxr> another contributing factor was also that ROCK Linux, which we forked off, relesaed a 3.0 IIRC, without much modifications, while we continued to release majorly modifed versions as 2.1, 2.2 so that the version number in 2006 also reflected the majorly changed since ROCK Linux 11:06 < rxr> though ROCK Linux appears to be quite dead now 11:09 < rxr> koan: not typo fix committed, now 11:10 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/ - news entry updated, likewise 11:12 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: TobiX 11:16 < Baldzius> http://www.t2-project.org/download/ 11:16 < Baldzius> 7 is still points as stable 11:17 < rxr> fixed 11:17 < Baldzius> one line below 11:17 < Baldzius> Where "7.0" can be substituted with other stable series verison numbers. 11:17 < rxr> thanks :-)( 11:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: TobiX 11:18 < Baldzius> looks good 11:18 < Baldzius> when we can expect DW announcement? 11:19 < rxr> I just write the release email and will cc them 11:24 < Baldzius> ok 11:25 < rxr> what do you think about updating the top banner image with a firework background instead of the peoples ? 11:28 < rxr> mail is going out, I hope you like it 11:30 < Baldzius> change might be good 11:30 < Baldzius> but current fine is ok also 11:30 < Baldzius> *one* 11:30 < rxr> I mean news celebration wise 11:30 < rxr> we can switch back in some weeks 11:30 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.de/photos/?p=/Berlin/2008/Festival%20of%20Lights/&index=216 11:33 < Baldzius> ccache ver 3 runs much better for me 11:33 < Baldzius> only will have to figure out why cmake doesn't hit the cache 11:33 < rxr> did cmake hti before? 11:33 < Baldzius> seems like it's saving but can't find it after 11:33 < Baldzius> not sure 11:33 < Baldzius> my VM wasn't hiting ccache for ages 11:33 < rxr> btw. cmake sucks anyway ,,, 11:33 * rxr hiding 11:34 < Baldzius> I like percentage progress bar :) 11:34 < rxr> oh, didn't? a a customer it does 11:34 < rxr> personally I stopped using cmake on my build cluster becaue the FS overhead was bigger then the savings, also too frequent system header changes often invalidated the cache, ... 11:36 < Baldzius> what you mean stoped using on cluster? 11:36 < rxr> on my build machines 11:36 < Baldzius> don't compile any cmake related stuff? 11:36 < rxr> but that should not stop you improving it :-) 11:36 < rxr> just wanted to merely note that I'm not using it too much and often 11:49 < rxr> you can reload the t2 page in your brosser, get a firework 11:56 < Baldzius> +1 small clients fails against latest autoconf 11:56 < rxr> hm? 11:57 < Baldzius> autoconf 2.66 we have in trunk/8.0 11:57 < Baldzius> breaks at least 2 small packages 11:57 < Baldzius> openct and autogen so far 11:57 < Baldzius> on 64bits build 11:58 < rxr> certainly patchable in one way or another 11:58 < rxr> do you like the fireworkx? 12:00 < Baldzius> the one on left looks like UFO :) 12:01 < rxr> overall good or not so much? 12:01 < koan> looks nice! 12:02 < rxr> I guess adding some "T2 8.9 is here." text would be nice, too? 12:02 < rxr> 8.0 eve 12:02 < rxr> n 12:02 < koan> makes sense indeed 12:10 < rxr> you can reload the page 12:10 < rxr> who like's who doesn'tà 12:11 < koan> I like it this way 12:12 < rxr> thanks 12:18 -!- arete74 [~arete@143.225.107.252] has joined #t2 12:18 -!- arete74 [~arete@143.225.107.252] has quit [Client Quit] 12:34 < CIA-29> rene * r36775 /trunk/package/network/gpsd/gpsd.desc: * updated gpsd (2.94 -> 2.95) 12:34 < CIA-29> rene * r36774 /trunk/package/x11/libxdg-basedir/libxdg-basedir.desc: * updated libxdg-basedir (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1) 12:34 < CIA-29> rene * r36776 /trunk/package/python/sip/sip.desc: * updated sip (4.10.2 -> 4.10.3) 12:34 < CIA-29> rene * r36777 /trunk/package/audio/snd/snd.desc: * updated snd (11.6 -> 11.7) 12:34 < CIA-29> rene * r36778 /trunk/package/security/libgcrypt/libgcrypt.desc: * updated libgcrypt (1.4.5 -> 1.4.6) 12:37 -!- rogermason [~user@CPE001b639d4751-CM0011aea11450.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #t2 12:43 < CIA-29> rene * r36779 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * bump trunk version to working target 9.0 12:43 < CIA-29> rene * r36780 /trunk/scripts/Commit: * improved Commit white-space marker to mark excessive spaces 12:47 < rogermason> An update on my attempt to build trunk on 2.7.0-rc2. The build completed after updating e2fsprogs. There are 4 packages that seem not to have built: xf86-input-wacom, xf86-video-radeonhd, xf86-video-vga and xf86-video-via. There is also a src.util-linux... directory left behind, but no corresponding *.err file, so I'm presuming it is OK. 12:48 < rxr> I make a mental note about the xorg packages, maybe their are left lingering upstream 12:49 < rxr> Baldzius: now 8.0 / trunk listings available on the package matrix 12:49 < rxr> mirror mostly there, too 12:49 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/snd.html 13:16 < rxr> Baldzius: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06189 13:17 -!- digitaloktay [~win7@unaffiliated/digitaloktay] has joined #t2 13:17 < digitaloktay> hi 13:17 < rxr> hi digitaloktay 13:18 < digitaloktay> new release :) 13:18 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 8.0-rc2 released! | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 13:18 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Sat Dec 12 19:27:02 2009] 13:20 < Baldzius> rogermason: ignore xf86-* 13:21 < rxr> lunch - cu 13:22 < digitaloktay> bon apetit 13:22 < digitaloktay> ^^ 13:23 < rogermason> Baldzius: Not sure what you mean. 13:25 < Baldzius> ignore those errors 13:25 < digitaloktay> can anyone change topic 13:26 < rogermason> Baldzius: yes, but what if I want to use my wacom tablet? 13:27 < Baldzius> good question 13:27 < Baldzius> I'll take a look at xorg git if there's new release 13:29 < rogermason> Baldzius: I see from the wacom site that one should use their 0.10.7 release for xorg x-server >= 1.7, and the version I have here is 0.10.3 with x-server 1.8.2. 13:31 < Baldzius> give me download location 13:33 < rogermason> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/files/xf86-input-wacom/xf86-input-wacom-0.10.7.tar.bz2/download 13:42 < Baldzius> damn 13:42 < Baldzius> build id changed :/ 13:42 < Baldzius> svn up, updated without testing 13:43 < Baldzius> it wasn't compiling before anyway 13:43 < CIA-29> aldas * r36781 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-wacom/xf86-input-wacom.desc: * updated xf86-input-wacom (0.10.3 -> 0.10.7) 13:49 < rogermason> so I should run ./scripts/Update-Pkg xf86-input-wacom 0.10.7? 13:50 < Baldzius> no 13:50 < Baldzius> svn up 13:51 < Baldzius> and then Emerge-Pkg if you want this on host 13:52 < Baldzius> or ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg "config" -job 5-xf86-input-wacom for build 13:53 < Baldzius> what you were doing when you got those errors? 13:53 < rogermason> Build-Target 13:53 < Baldzius> then you need to repeat it 13:53 < Baldzius> as I said 13:53 < Baldzius> for 1 job 13:53 < rogermason> I presume only the failed packages will be rebuilt? 13:54 < Baldzius> yes 13:54 < Baldzius> -job [stage]-[package] 13:55 < Baldzius> or you can remove .err file 13:55 < Baldzius> and start Build-Target again 13:56 < Baldzius> rm -rf build/[your_build]/var/adm/logs/5-xf86-input-wacom.err 14:07 < rogermason> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg default -job 5-xf86-input-wacom. Then I get:Finished downloading 389959 bytes in 2.397 seconds (162708.000 bytes/sec). 14:07 < rogermason> cksum-test (bzip2): download/mirror/x/xf86-input-wacom-0.10.7.tar.bz2 14:07 < rogermason> chroot: failed to run command `bin/bash': No such file or directory 14:07 < rogermason> 14:07 < rogermason> Package build ended abnormally! 14:07 < rogermason> !> Usually a package build creates either a *.log 14:07 < rogermason> !> or a *.err file. Neither the 1st nor the 2nd is 14:08 < rogermason> !> there. So I'm going to create a *.err file now 14:08 < rogermason> !> and abort the build process. 14:08 < rogermason> 14:18 < rxr> what do you build? 14:18 < Baldzius> rm -rf download/mirror/x/xf86-input-wacom-0.10.* 14:19 < Baldzius> ./scripts/Download xf86-input-wacom 14:19 < Baldzius> it's fiine for me 14:19 < rxr> when bin/bash it failing you either try to native build for an arechitecture your host can not run, or have another, fundamental low-level libc et al. problem 14:24 < rxr> should have migrated the t2 sites to our new colocated server, ... 14:24 < rxr> our line is of course dying under the load 14:25 < rxr> already shuffles otu 50% mbit then the line has nominally garuanteed by our ISP, ... :-) 14:26 < rxr> ..., but did not delay the release again :-) 14:39 < rxr> will migrate the t2 web services in the next days, after the release storm 14:51 < Baldzius> rxr: change channel topic 14:51 < rxr> tried, I'm not channel operator 14:52 < rxr> guess freenode has new resrictions, guess I need to register somewhere? 14:52 < Baldzius> ChanServ 14:54 < rogermason> rxr: generic x86/i686 minimal + xorg. I built the target yesterday/overnight and there were 4 failed packages, of which xf86-input-wacom is the first I'm trying to fix. I wonder if the problem has to do with updating svn between the overnight build and trying wacom. i now have two default directories in build/: default-8.0-trunk-generic-x86-i686-linux and default-9.0-trunk-generic-x86-i686-linux. 14:55 < rxr> doubt 14:55 < rxr> most likely they are just broken as not so up-to-date maintained by the upstream x.org folks 14:56 < Baldzius> I've updated it 14:56 < Baldzius> he was building on trunk while it was ver 8 14:56 < Baldzius> now he has 2 builds 14:57 < Baldzius> build id changed 15:01 < digitaloktay> hi rxr can you chaning the topic :) 15:15 < rxr> 14:51 < rxr> tried, I'm not channel operator 15:15 < rxr> 14:52 < rxr> guess freenode has new resrictions, guess I need to register somewhere? 15:17 < digitaloktay> ah sry 15:45 -!- Baldzius [~aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29 < rogermason> I deleted the build/default-9.0-trunk-generic-x86-i686-linux directory and then created a symlink: default-9.0-trunk-generic-x86-i686-linux -> default-8.0-trunk-generic-x86-i686-linux. xf86-input-wacom-0.10.7 then built OK after I turned off paranoia checks. 16:30 < rxr> .oO yeah - well, ... 16:36 < rogermason> I didn't fancy rebuilding the whole thing - the machine is only 1.8 GHz/500 MB ram. 16:36 < rxr> yeah, it's fine for a quick hack test :-) 16:41 < koan> downloading t2-8.0-minimal-x86_64.iso at 2.5 KB/sec -> the release seems pretty popular :-) 16:43 < rxr> yes, I should really have migrated that on the new colocation 16:43 < rxr> also it's a pitty that the other mirrors do not sync automatically 16:43 < rxr> e.g. ibilio, ... 16:43 < rxr> would have taken some pressure, ... 16:43 < rxr> well, we'll improve 16:47 < rxr> ok, we got heised ... 16:47 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Meta-Distribution-T2-in-Version-8-0-1039094.html 16:47 < rxr> I SHOULD HAVE MIGRATED THE SERVER INDEED, ... !!! 16:50 < rxr> this is the first time we got a new on heise, ever, and we tried pretty hard with 6.0 and 7.0 16:56 < digitaloktay> what cflags do i use for athlon II x3 440 (3* 3Ghz) ?? 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