T2 IRC Log: 2010-06-22
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--- Log opened Tue Jun 22 00:00:05 2010
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09:14 < mjungwirth> moin
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09:17 < mjungwirth> one question. i use pam. in the configuration files i found pam_cracklib.so but the binary not exists! where is ist?
09:18 < mjungwirth> it
09:19 < mjungwirth> and pam_console is also not available
09:52 -!- PurpleDaisy [~PurpleDai@174-19-148-30.bois.qwest.net] has joined #t2
09:52 < PurpleDaisy> anyone here
09:56 < mjungwirth> yes
10:00 < PurpleDaisy> i have not setup my dev machine yet, my sys is only 32 bit
10:01 < PurpleDaisy> should i dl 8.0 rc & update the kernal to 2.6?
10:01 < PurpleDaisy> or is it already 2.6?
10:06 < mjungwirth> the kernel is already 2.6
10:08 < PurpleDaisy> thank you, on less thing to worry about
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10:54 < Baldzius> moin
11:01 < PurpleDaisy> good night, might have more qst in morning
11:03 < PurpleDaisy> part
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12:23 < trscod> Hello! I am a newbie in t2. Rad hendbook & not understand how can i add or del package to target. In config menu i use show expert and experimental options. Then i look for package list. I know that i need set up 0 or X behind the package, but how?
12:25 < rxr> I think the option is named custom package selection
12:33 < trscod> there is "package selection rules" and needence to add new rule. What rule i am to add? Strings like in config file?
12:40 < trscod> i am a gentoo user and try to find similarity T2 auto bilding to portage
12:57 < trscod> may be there any forum?
12:58 < trscod> pardon, may be there is any forum?
12:58 < trscod> for t2 beginners
14:27 < Baldzius> trscod : Edit package selection rules "X cups" to add cups "O cups" to remove cups, without quotes
14:27 < Baldzius> in general I would recommend not doing so as you might end up with dependecies failure
14:28 < Baldzius> I would recommend building general target and playing a little bit around it
14:29 < Baldzius> I also came from gentoo and found it much better although it took some time to get used to it
14:29 < Baldzius> community is much smaller here so it takes time to get some help
14:29 < Baldzius> but documentation should be pretty good
14:30 < Baldzius> at least last time I used it
14:34 < trscod> thanks for answering
14:34 < trscod> I understand, that dependency packeges are to be added manually too?
14:35 < Baldzius> yes, config doesn't handle dependencies
14:36 < Baldzius> myself I pick general build
14:36 < Baldzius> and then compile afterwards I have system installed on host
14:36 < Baldzius> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=indirect cups
14:36 < Baldzius> or deps=none
14:36 < Baldzius> depends what you need
14:37 < Baldzius> usually I use deps=none
14:37 < Baldzius> and if package fails of missing dependency then I do same for missing package
14:38 < Baldzius> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run some_package
14:39 < Baldzius> it's all about "do it yourself"
14:41 < trscod> an package list in main menu contains dependencies, or only main packages like world in gentoo?
14:43 < trscod> main menu - is ./script/Config menu :)
14:43 < CIA-29> rene * r36633 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.74 -> 0.75)
14:43 < CIA-29> rene * r36632 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (1.2-rc3 -> 1.2-rc4)
14:44 < CIA-29> rene * r36634 /trunk/package/x11/worker/worker.desc: * updated worker (2.17.6 -> 2.17.7)
14:44 < CIA-29> rene * r36635 /trunk/package/multimedia/live/live.desc: * updated live (2010.06.16a -> 2010.06.18)
14:46 < Baldzius> yes, they are harcoded as targets
14:47 < Baldzius> full package list would be enabled if you pick reference target
14:47 < Baldzius> but I use it for full package tree compile test
14:48 < Baldzius> (generic) Generic System │ │
14:48 < Baldzius> │ │ (minimal-desktop) Minimalistic package selection, X.org and basic desktop │ │
14:48 < Baldzius> │ │ (install) Install CD / disks
14:48 < Baldzius> is good for beginning
14:52 < trscod> yes, for first time i'll try to compile little and minimal, but alive OS
14:52 < Baldzius> never tried live cd
14:53 < Baldzius> myself I always use Minimalistic package selection template
14:53 < Baldzius> and then get all I want
14:54 < rxr> btw. I'm in holiday, just if anyonjust in case someone asks ...
14:54 < Baldzius> how long?
14:55 < rxr> about 10 days or so left
14:56 < Baldzius> ok, enjoy :)
14:57 < rxr> thanks
14:57 < Baldzius> no wonder VM is so fast :)
14:58 < rxr> no, the other VMs are on the 6core :-)
14:58 < rxr> and we now have an external server
14:58 < rxr> most high traffic stuff now goes to that
14:59 < rxr> so the line is also less saturated
14:59 < rxr> should have better ssh latency
15:03 < Baldzius> cool
15:03 < trscod> Baldzius: thanks for answers!
15:03 < trscod> Do you know, is there something like stage4 of host OS? I'd like to chroot to unpacked stage from gentoo & build T2 target whithout versions problems. Or there are any features?
15:03 < rxr> yep, t2-project.org will be one of the next sites to move
15:04 < Baldzius> trscod : there are iso images with packages inside
15:05 < Baldzius> you can do it all manually
15:05 < Baldzius> works like charm
15:05 < rxr> cu then
15:05 < Baldzius> bye
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15:11 < trscod> on what time (GMT) leave people from this channel? :)
15:12 < trscod> pardon, live ^)
15:16 < Baldzius> hard to say, rxr is on CEST , myself on IST
15:16 < Baldzius> not sure about others :)
15:16 < Baldzius> ~ so GMT (+1)
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--- Log closed Wed Jun 23 00:00:05 2010
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09:14 < mjungwirth> moin
09:17 -!- T-One [~T-One@194.183.141.238] has joined #t2
09:17 < mjungwirth> one question. i use pam. in the configuration files i found pam_cracklib.so but the binary not exists! where is ist?
09:18 < mjungwirth> it
09:19 < mjungwirth> and pam_console is also not available
09:52 -!- PurpleDaisy [~PurpleDai@174-19-148-30.bois.qwest.net] has joined #t2
09:52 < PurpleDaisy> anyone here
09:56 < mjungwirth> yes
10:00 < PurpleDaisy> i have not setup my dev machine yet, my sys is only 32 bit
10:01 < PurpleDaisy> should i dl 8.0 rc & update the kernal to 2.6?
10:01 < PurpleDaisy> or is it already 2.6?
10:06 < mjungwirth> the kernel is already 2.6
10:08 < PurpleDaisy> thank you, on less thing to worry about
10:54 -!- Baldzius [~aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #t2
10:54 < Baldzius> moin
11:01 < PurpleDaisy> good night, might have more qst in morning
11:03 < PurpleDaisy> part
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12:23 < trscod> Hello! I am a newbie in t2. Rad hendbook & not understand how can i add or del package to target. In config menu i use show expert and experimental options. Then i look for package list. I know that i need set up 0 or X behind the package, but how?
12:25 < rxr> I think the option is named custom package selection
12:33 < trscod> there is "package selection rules" and needence to add new rule. What rule i am to add? Strings like in config file?
12:40 < trscod> i am a gentoo user and try to find similarity T2 auto bilding to portage
12:57 < trscod> may be there any forum?
12:58 < trscod> pardon, may be there is any forum?
12:58 < trscod> for t2 beginners
14:27 < Baldzius> trscod : Edit package selection rules "X cups" to add cups "O cups" to remove cups, without quotes
14:27 < Baldzius> in general I would recommend not doing so as you might end up with dependecies failure
14:28 < Baldzius> I would recommend building general target and playing a little bit around it
14:29 < Baldzius> I also came from gentoo and found it much better although it took some time to get used to it
14:29 < Baldzius> community is much smaller here so it takes time to get some help
14:29 < Baldzius> but documentation should be pretty good
14:30 < Baldzius> at least last time I used it
14:34 < trscod> thanks for answering
14:34 < trscod> I understand, that dependency packeges are to be added manually too?
14:35 < Baldzius> yes, config doesn't handle dependencies
14:36 < Baldzius> myself I pick general build
14:36 < Baldzius> and then compile afterwards I have system installed on host
14:36 < Baldzius> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=indirect cups
14:36 < Baldzius> or deps=none
14:36 < Baldzius> depends what you need
14:37 < Baldzius> usually I use deps=none
14:37 < Baldzius> and if package fails of missing dependency then I do same for missing package
14:38 < Baldzius> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run some_package
14:39 < Baldzius> it's all about "do it yourself"
14:41 < trscod> an package list in main menu contains dependencies, or only main packages like world in gentoo?
14:43 < trscod> main menu - is ./script/Config menu :)
14:43 < CIA-29> rene * r36633 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.74 -> 0.75)
14:43 < CIA-29> rene * r36632 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (1.2-rc3 -> 1.2-rc4)
14:44 < CIA-29> rene * r36634 /trunk/package/x11/worker/worker.desc: * updated worker (2.17.6 -> 2.17.7)
14:44 < CIA-29> rene * r36635 /trunk/package/multimedia/live/live.desc: * updated live (2010.06.16a -> 2010.06.18)
14:46 < Baldzius> yes, they are harcoded as targets
14:47 < Baldzius> full package list would be enabled if you pick reference target
14:47 < Baldzius> but I use it for full package tree compile test
14:48 < Baldzius> (generic) Generic System │ │
14:48 < Baldzius> │ │ (minimal-desktop) Minimalistic package selection, X.org and basic desktop │ │
14:48 < Baldzius> │ │ (install) Install CD / disks
14:48 < Baldzius> is good for beginning
14:52 < trscod> yes, for first time i'll try to compile little and minimal, but alive OS
14:52 < Baldzius> never tried live cd
14:53 < Baldzius> myself I always use Minimalistic package selection template
14:53 < Baldzius> and then get all I want
14:54 < rxr> btw. I'm in holiday, just if anyonjust in case someone asks ...
14:54 < Baldzius> how long?
14:55 < rxr> about 10 days or so left
14:56 < Baldzius> ok, enjoy :)
14:57 < rxr> thanks
14:57 < Baldzius> no wonder VM is so fast :)
14:58 < rxr> no, the other VMs are on the 6core :-)
14:58 < rxr> and we now have an external server
14:58 < rxr> most high traffic stuff now goes to that
14:59 < rxr> so the line is also less saturated
14:59 < rxr> should have better ssh latency
15:03 < Baldzius> cool
15:03 < trscod> Baldzius: thanks for answers!
15:03 < trscod> Do you know, is there something like stage4 of host OS? I'd like to chroot to unpacked stage from gentoo & build T2 target whithout versions problems. Or there are any features?
15:03 < rxr> yep, t2-project.org will be one of the next sites to move
15:04 < Baldzius> trscod : there are iso images with packages inside
15:05 < Baldzius> you can do it all manually
15:05 < Baldzius> works like charm
15:05 < rxr> cu then
15:05 < Baldzius> bye
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15:11 < trscod> on what time (GMT) leave people from this channel? :)
15:12 < trscod> pardon, live ^)
15:16 < Baldzius> hard to say, rxr is on CEST , myself on IST
15:16 < Baldzius> not sure about others :)
15:16 < Baldzius> ~ so GMT (+1)
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--- Log closed Wed Jun 23 00:00:05 2010