T2 IRC Log: 2010-01-31

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--- Log opened Sun Jan 31 00:00:33 2010
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11:17 < rxr> re
11:18 < mpp> moinsen
11:18 < mpp> switched my ipv6 tunnel to frankfurt
11:18 < mpp> :-)
11:21 < mpp> bbl
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11:39 < rxr> re
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11:39 [@ChanServ] [ koan ] [ mjungwirth_] [ mtr] [ Stealth]
11:39 [ CIA-32 ] [ mjungwirth] [ mqueiros ] [ rxr] [ TobiX ]
11:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 9 normal]
11:41 < rxr> first test build on that new box:
11:41 < rxr> Error logs from default-8.0-trunk-generic-x86-64-linux:
11:41 < rxr> 248 builds total, 248 completed fine, 0 with errors, 0 to go.
12:14 < CIA-32> rene * r35433 /trunk/package/filesystem/dosfstools/dosfstools.desc: * updated dosfstools (3.0.8 -> 3.0.9)
12:38 < CIA-32> rene * r35434 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.4.13 -> 2.4.14)
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13:24 < rxr> hi
13:24 < rxr> mpp: two quick questions while you're around
13:24 < mpp> shoot
13:24 < rxr> mpp: what do you think if we patch the default linux kernel log level to silent, so that not so much text noise is scrolling along on every boot?
13:25 < rxr> and the 2nd, do you use mysql on t2 ?
13:25 < mpp> @1 good idea
13:25 < mpp> @2 yes
13:25 < mpp> @1 just curious why
13:25 < rxr> the other day another company complaint that t2 did not install a some default database stuff
13:26 < rxr> do you think we shoudl do anything that mysql_install_db (or what it was called) installs?
13:26 < mpp> ah yes i also had to do some digging to get mysql up and running
13:26 < rxr> you certainly have other linux flavour experience there
13:26 < mpp> yep definetly
13:26 < mpp> so it will be usable out of the box
13:27 < rxr> @1 to make t2 look more sorted, friendly to newcomers
13:27 < mpp> @1 agreed
13:27 < mpp> @1 do it
13:27 < rxr> @1 that would mean we would need to get rid of this ugly udev group & user warning nonsense as well, sigh
13:27 < rxr> stuipd udec crap
13:27 < rxr> ok - thanks for your input
13:28 < mpp> thanx
13:28 < rxr> new amd system survived it's first night, test built t2 without a hickup
13:28 < mpp> great
13:28 < rxr> now i throw a memtest86 run onto i
13:28 < rxr> t
13:28 < mpp> price / performance with amd is always cool
13:29 < rxr> yeah, I need it for the less virtualization overhead of it
13:29 < rxr> 10 years ago I also mostly went for AMD
13:29 < rxr> (beside some other esoteric IDT Winchip and Cyrix stuff :-)
13:29 < mpp> :-) LOL
13:29 < mpp> yeah i know
13:30 < mpp> could you also have a dns AAAA pointer for dl2.t2-project.org
13:30 < mpp> would be nice
13:31 < rxr> AAAA was what?
13:32 < rxr> a
13:32 < rxr> ipv6
13:32 < rxr> I can certainly have anything added there, ...
13:34 < mpp> 2001:470:1f0a:dcb::2
13:34 < mpp> :-)
13:34 < mpp> a little ipv6 promotion would be nice
13:35 < mpp> ipv6 has the advantage that you can host zillions of http + https services on one box
13:35 < mpp> # /64 addr space
13:36 < rxr> yeah, brought some ipv6 book some 8 years or so ago ...
13:36 < mpp> we could go for another domain prefix like ipv6.t2-project.org with only AAAA record...
13:36 < mpp> dito
13:37 < rxr> too bad the ISPs do not get their act together
13:37 < rxr> only care about streaming TV to the homes, ...
13:37 < mpp> true
13:37 < mpp> ipv6 is 99% hazzle free
13:37 < rxr> guess the ipv6 domain stuff would only make sense when we would offer all services, regular homepage, svn there, too, hm?
13:37 < mpp> hierarchical subnetting makes admin life breezy
13:38 < mpp> you're probably right
13:38 < mpp> personally i can recommend www.he.net
13:38 < mpp> they have a pop in frankfurt
13:38 < rxr> what would we gain if we add a AAAA ptr to just the dl2 mirror ?
13:38 < mpp> ipv6 is somewhat faster in terms of latency
13:39 < mpp> besides that i just wanted to promote a bit ipv6
13:39 < mpp> that's all
13:39 < mpp> transition to ipv6 is on the rise ....
13:40 < mpp> so why not
13:40 < rxr> yeah, so far so clear, but what would this single aaaa ptr bring?
13:40 < rxr> when one downloads / visits with a browser on a ipv6 ready subnset one woudl get the ipv6 address and routing, hm?
13:40 < mpp> yes
13:40 < rxr> without it, right now, just the ipv4 fallback tunnel I assume
13:40 < mpp> ipv6 enabled clients would go over ipv6
13:41 < mpp> correct
13:41 < mpp> so no harm in terms of availability
13:41 < mpp> http://tunnelbroker.net/usage/index.php
13:41 < rxr> oh, btw. your mirror misses the last rc test releases
13:42 < mpp> i noticed
13:42 < mpp> cron gives me the creeps
13:42 < rxr> and, I'd suggest we change syncing, I push the changes at our regularly scheduled, nightly all-mirror-sync
13:42 < mpp> it's **** ugly
13:42 < rxr> yeah, agree
13:42 < rxr> but anyway, I'd like to get all mirrors more in sync, and would liek to push
13:42 < rxr> preferable rsync over ssh
13:42 < mpp> yes i know
13:43 < mpp> i'm not familiar with ssh lockdown
13:43 < mpp> that is the only reason why
13:43 < rxr> with lockdown you mean?
13:43 < mpp> i'll have to dig into the ssh basics to setup up a propper account for pushing
13:43 < mpp> ssh login need's to be restricted
13:44 < rxr> you mean so that I do not have local shell access?
13:44 < mpp> yep
13:44 < rxr> I guess SHELL=/usr/bin/rsync would be sufficient for this
13:44 < rxr> I once digged it up, think that worked
13:44 < rxr> or something like that
13:44 < mpp> then let's check right now
13:44 < mpp> what user name
13:45 < mpp> i would also restrict the user@ip to have some piece of mind
13:51 < CIA-32> rene * r35435 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.desc: * updated linux24 (2.4.37.6 -> 2.4.37.7)
13:51 < CIA-32> rene * r35436 /trunk/package/base/ (linux24/99-quiet.patch linux26/99-quiet.patch): * make the T2 default bootup more clean and mean
14:07 < CIA-32> rene * r35437 /trunk/package/base/readline/readline.desc: * updated readline (6.1 -> 6.1-001)
14:11 < CIA-32> rene * r35438 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.desc: * updated bash (4.1 -> 4.1-002)
15:01 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/rsync.html
15:16 < mpp> what about rsync ?
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16:33 < rxr> hi mpp
16:33 < mpp> hey
16:33 < rxr> not so good news
16:33 < mpp> go on
16:33 < rxr> found out rsync as shell does not work
16:33 < mpp> so what do we do know
16:34 < rxr> because ssh calls it with -c as first argument, and all the others (the rsync client supplies remoteely) as arg2
16:34 < rxr> like "-c", "-P -a -r . the-dir-to-the-files"
16:34 < rxr> we could ask LMJ when he is in IRC what he setup on the other t2 mirror
16:35 < mpp> good idea
16:35 < rxr> maybe something liek this limited remote shell thing
16:35 < rxr> I found on the web other using "ugly" wrapper scripts checking if the arg is rsync
16:35 < rxr> do not find that too secure, elegant
16:35 < mpp> can't we chroot the user to his home dir ?
16:35 < rxr> it's a pity, really thought to remeber it was that easy ...
16:36 < mpp> tell me about it
16:36 < mpp> i'll dig for antoher solution in the mean time
16:36 < rxr> there was some resource restrict or so remote shell thing for this
16:36 < rxr> and ugly scripts
16:37 < rxr> would not recomment those script based echecking, though
16:37 < mpp> http://www.nrel.colostate.edu/projects/irc/public/Documents/KnowledgeBase/HowTo_SSH_DSA_Key.htm
16:37 < mpp> i think that's what we need
16:37 < mpp> i'll re-read
16:38 < rxr> using a script, ...
16:39 < rxr> Appendix A: File restrict-to-rsync
16:39 < mpp> http://notes.endnode.se/2009/07/restricted-backups-using-rsync/
16:39 < rxr> before it is just plain-old rsync usage
16:39 < mpp> yep
16:39 < mpp> the later one does the trick we need ...
16:39 < rxr> sometimes unix stuff simply sucks
16:39 < mpp> agreed
16:39 < mpp> craptastic b**sh**
16:40 < mpp> the authorized_keys solution
16:40 < mpp> looks good
16:40 < mpp> if you have minute
16:40 < mpp> we could give a last try for today
16:40 < mpp> ?
16:40 < rxr> won't work
16:41 < mpp> why is that ?
16:41 < rxr> it hardcodes the sync pathes
16:41 < rxr> we might update every know and then for new t2 version numbers
16:41 < rxr> also one would need at least 3 entreies right now due to 7.0, 8.0, binaries
16:41 < rxr> don't know if 3 lines with the same key would even work
16:42 < rxr> this all is so fishy
16:42 < rxr> just because sshd invokes all in -c 2x" 2y"
16:42 < mpp> i see
16:42 < rxr> let's ask LMJ the next time he is here what he did
16:42 < rxr> we can wait another day or two :-)
16:43 < mpp> k
16:43 < mpp> have a nice one .... ;-)
16:43 < rxr> cu
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16:55 < CIA-32> rene * r35439 /trunk/package/base/atop/atop.desc: * updated atoppatch-kernel (2.6.28 -> 2.6.31), finally, ... !!!
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21:41 < rxr> hi LMJ
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