T2 IRC Log: 2009-11-17
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--- Log opened Tue Nov 17 00:00:17 2009
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09:27 < rxr> re
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10:29 < CIA-17> rene * r34899 /trunk/package/filesystem/libburn/libburn.desc: * updated libburn (0.7.2.pl00 -> 0.7.2.pl01)
10:29 < CIA-17> rene * r34900 /trunk/package/graphic/lcms/lcms.desc: * updated lcms (1.18 -> 1.19)
10:29 < CIA-17> rene * r34901 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * updated libtool (2.2.6a -> 2.2.6b)
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10:30 < Baldzius> moin
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10:45 < CIA-17> rene * r34902 /trunk/package/develop/patch/ (no_ftello_fseeko.patch patch.desc): * updated patch (2.5.9 -> 2.6)
10:45 < CIA-17> rene * r34903 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-base/gst-plugins-base.desc: * updated gst-plugins-base (0.10.24 -> 0.10.25)
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10:47 < tfl0pz> hi
10:48 < CIA-17> rene * r34904 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-good/gst-plugins-good.desc: * updated gst-plugins-good (0.10.16 -> 0.10.17)
10:49 < tfl0pz> i'm trying to update glibc and gcc on 7.0-rc2, taking them from trunk/package... and obviously im doing something wrong... stage 0 on glibc is complaining bout unwind support...
10:49 < tfl0pz> any advices?
10:49 < rxr> maybe gcc or other incompatibilities
10:50 < rxr> the branches are really meant to be stable in it's own, not with abritrary mixing
10:51 < rxr> if you want a newer glibc use the 8.0 tag, soon branch or trunk
10:51 < tfl0pz> ok i'll try that
10:51 < tfl0pz> thanks
10:51 < rxr> maybe use the 8.0-rc tag
10:52 < rxr> because trunk got a gcc update to 4.4 which is not yet fully "stable"
10:52 < tfl0pz> aham
10:53 < tfl0pz> i'll try with 8.0-rc then
10:55 < CIA-17> rene * r34905 /trunk/package/editors/lyx/lyx.desc: * updated lyx (1.6.4 -> 1.6.4.2)
10:55 < tfl0pz> btw when should we expect 8.0 branch :) i've been waiting for a long time for it :)
10:55 < CIA-17> rene * r34907 /trunk/package/network/wireshark/wireshark.desc: * updated wireshark (1.3.1 -> 1.2.4)
10:55 < CIA-17> rene * r34906 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (1.6.5.2 -> 1.6.5.3)
11:12 < Baldzius> tfl0pz: it seems it will take a while
11:12 < rxr> hi Baldzius
11:12 < Baldzius> hey rxr
11:14 < rxr> Baldzius: have you seen my udev note last evening?
11:14 < Baldzius> sorry, missed that
11:14 < rxr> 18:31 < rxr> Baldzius btw. we'll have a major problem as latest udev start to
11:14 < rxr> use glib
11:14 < rxr> 18:31 < rxr> I consider this 1000%++ harmful
11:14 < rxr> 18:31 < rxr> for early init boot related stuff
11:14 < rxr> 18:32 < rxr> not to mention our dietlibc minimal static linking for size
11:14 < rxr> optimized intird
11:14 < rxr> 18:32 < rxr> this all sucks majorly
11:15 < Baldzius> ic
11:15 < rxr> still have to take a closer look
11:19 < Baldzius> hm, but we will have to come with a solution one day anyway, especially when more *crap* are going to be merged into udev upstream ver
11:19 < rxr> udev++
11:20 < rxr> 18:36 < rxr> if udev continues to bug me I guess I'll either have to rewrite it
11:20 < rxr> in C++ or Lua
11:20 < rxr> 18:36 < rxr> or start my own migration to another kernel ...
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11:36 < Baldzius> I wonder how far devtmpfs can be used for udev replacement
11:36 < rxr> I think I saw core linux hackers criticism scrolling by on one of the kernel trap like websites ...
11:36 < Baldzius> it's coming with .32 release
11:36 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-05/firts-steps-with-an-bsd-dragonfly/
11:43 < Baldzius> we have here over 50 FreeBSD servers
11:43 < rxr> well, FreeBSD is a no-go for me
11:43 < Baldzius> I have mixed emotions about configuring bsd servers
11:43 < rxr> I need to move to modern designs, best micro-kernel
11:43 < rxr> everything is wasted lifetime
11:43 < Baldzius> but it's definently much easier than debian
11:48 < rxr> yeah, less cooks to poison the meal
11:49 < rxr> still, I'll not waste my own time touching a monolythic kernel ever again
11:49 < rxr> can not afford a typo in the fan driver, PPP, tcp whatever to cause downtime
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13:58 < digitaloktay_> hi people
14:23 < rxr> hi digitaloktay_
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19:13 < mj-netbits_> rxr have you add the patch to the archtiecture directory ?
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--- Log closed Wed Nov 18 00:00:17 2009
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09:27 < rxr> re
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10:29 < CIA-17> rene * r34899 /trunk/package/filesystem/libburn/libburn.desc: * updated libburn (0.7.2.pl00 -> 0.7.2.pl01)
10:29 < CIA-17> rene * r34900 /trunk/package/graphic/lcms/lcms.desc: * updated lcms (1.18 -> 1.19)
10:29 < CIA-17> rene * r34901 /trunk/package/base/libtool/libtool.desc: * updated libtool (2.2.6a -> 2.2.6b)
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10:30 < Baldzius> moin
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10:45 < CIA-17> rene * r34902 /trunk/package/develop/patch/ (no_ftello_fseeko.patch patch.desc): * updated patch (2.5.9 -> 2.6)
10:45 < CIA-17> rene * r34903 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-base/gst-plugins-base.desc: * updated gst-plugins-base (0.10.24 -> 0.10.25)
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10:47 < tfl0pz> hi
10:48 < CIA-17> rene * r34904 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-good/gst-plugins-good.desc: * updated gst-plugins-good (0.10.16 -> 0.10.17)
10:49 < tfl0pz> i'm trying to update glibc and gcc on 7.0-rc2, taking them from trunk/package... and obviously im doing something wrong... stage 0 on glibc is complaining bout unwind support...
10:49 < tfl0pz> any advices?
10:49 < rxr> maybe gcc or other incompatibilities
10:50 < rxr> the branches are really meant to be stable in it's own, not with abritrary mixing
10:51 < rxr> if you want a newer glibc use the 8.0 tag, soon branch or trunk
10:51 < tfl0pz> ok i'll try that
10:51 < tfl0pz> thanks
10:51 < rxr> maybe use the 8.0-rc tag
10:52 < rxr> because trunk got a gcc update to 4.4 which is not yet fully "stable"
10:52 < tfl0pz> aham
10:53 < tfl0pz> i'll try with 8.0-rc then
10:55 < CIA-17> rene * r34905 /trunk/package/editors/lyx/lyx.desc: * updated lyx (1.6.4 -> 1.6.4.2)
10:55 < tfl0pz> btw when should we expect 8.0 branch :) i've been waiting for a long time for it :)
10:55 < CIA-17> rene * r34907 /trunk/package/network/wireshark/wireshark.desc: * updated wireshark (1.3.1 -> 1.2.4)
10:55 < CIA-17> rene * r34906 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (1.6.5.2 -> 1.6.5.3)
11:12 < Baldzius> tfl0pz: it seems it will take a while
11:12 < rxr> hi Baldzius
11:12 < Baldzius> hey rxr
11:14 < rxr> Baldzius: have you seen my udev note last evening?
11:14 < Baldzius> sorry, missed that
11:14 < rxr> 18:31 < rxr> Baldzius btw. we'll have a major problem as latest udev start to
11:14 < rxr> use glib
11:14 < rxr> 18:31 < rxr> I consider this 1000%++ harmful
11:14 < rxr> 18:31 < rxr> for early init boot related stuff
11:14 < rxr> 18:32 < rxr> not to mention our dietlibc minimal static linking for size
11:14 < rxr> optimized intird
11:14 < rxr> 18:32 < rxr> this all sucks majorly
11:15 < Baldzius> ic
11:15 < rxr> still have to take a closer look
11:19 < Baldzius> hm, but we will have to come with a solution one day anyway, especially when more *crap* are going to be merged into udev upstream ver
11:19 < rxr> udev++
11:20 < rxr> 18:36 < rxr> if udev continues to bug me I guess I'll either have to rewrite it
11:20 < rxr> in C++ or Lua
11:20 < rxr> 18:36 < rxr> or start my own migration to another kernel ...
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11:36 < Baldzius> I wonder how far devtmpfs can be used for udev replacement
11:36 < rxr> I think I saw core linux hackers criticism scrolling by on one of the kernel trap like websites ...
11:36 < Baldzius> it's coming with .32 release
11:36 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-05/firts-steps-with-an-bsd-dragonfly/
11:43 < Baldzius> we have here over 50 FreeBSD servers
11:43 < rxr> well, FreeBSD is a no-go for me
11:43 < Baldzius> I have mixed emotions about configuring bsd servers
11:43 < rxr> I need to move to modern designs, best micro-kernel
11:43 < rxr> everything is wasted lifetime
11:43 < Baldzius> but it's definently much easier than debian
11:48 < rxr> yeah, less cooks to poison the meal
11:49 < rxr> still, I'll not waste my own time touching a monolythic kernel ever again
11:49 < rxr> can not afford a typo in the fan driver, PPP, tcp whatever to cause downtime
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13:58 < digitaloktay_> hi people
14:23 < rxr> hi digitaloktay_
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19:13 < mj-netbits_> rxr have you add the patch to the archtiecture directory ?
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