--- Log opened Tue Nov 03 00:00:17 2009
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08:25 < capey> http://www.pcworld.com/article/181163/apple_kills_hackintosh_netbooks_with_snow_leopard_update.html
08:25 < capey> shame
08:25 < capey> i like mac os x but i wont buy apple hardware just to get it going
08:29 < capey> specially since they intel cpu's are quite old, they finally brought i5/i7 to market, dont know tho, if they have been long in the market in other areas
09:09 < CIA-28> aldas * r34790 /trunk/package/base/sysvinit/system.init: * enhanced system.init to support encrypted volumes (no rootfs support)
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09:38 < rxr> moin
09:38 < rxr> capey: well, they are not soo old, and the very new ones energy consumers anyway
09:38 < rxr> thouh some iX is in the new iMac anyway
09:39 < rxr> and the Mac Pro had super-duper Xeons all the time
09:39 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-09-24/core-i7-for-notebooks/
09:40 < rxr> however, as I said the other day, I brought apple hw in the past just for the build quality, chips (PowerPC et al.) and such, even for pure Linux use
09:40 < rxr> but, well, I also went hackintosh just last week with the booklet due to lack of ultra-portables
09:40 < rxr> koan: but you can still patch osx to run on atom CPUs I think
09:41 < rxr> there are alternative kernels for AMD CPUs anyway
09:41 < rxr> (that do not work a bit under stock OS X anyway)
09:41 < rxr> so just an alternative kernel (or tiny patch?) for Atom CPUs as well, if that news really comes true
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09:44 < rxr> hi Stealth 
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09:49 < Baldzius> moin
09:51 < rxr> moin moin Baldzius 
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09:51 [@ChanServ] [ capey ] [ cmair] [ LMJ       ] [ mtr] [ TobiX] 
09:51 [ Baldzius] [ CIA-28] [ koan ] [ mjungwirth] [ rxr] 
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09:51 < Baldzius> moin rxr
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09:57 < rxr> heh, might nightly builder stopped, out of disk space:
09:58 < rxr> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  346G Nov  3 00:09 5-perl-net-ssleay.err
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10:00 < Baldzius> heh
10:00 < Baldzius> was going for terabyte
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10:00 < rxr> we need my "inf loop and log" protection, I envisioned for some years, now :-)
10:20 < CIA-28> aldas * r34791 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.8.0 -> 2.8.1)
10:20 < CIA-28> aldas * r34792 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (3.0.STABLE19 -> 3.0.STABLE20)
10:23 < CIA-28> aldas * r34793 /trunk/package/security/snort/snort.desc: 
10:23 < CIA-28> * updated snort (2.8.5 -> 2.8.5.1)
10:23 < CIA-28> * security update: CVE-2009-3641
11:06 < capey> re
11:06 < capey> is there core i5/7 for netbooks?
11:07 < rxr> sure, they are shipping already
11:07 < rxr> monster things I would not even dare to look at :-)
11:07 < rxr> notebooks
11:08 < Baldzius> barbeques on your desk
11:08 < capey> oh, yeah notebooks i meant
11:08 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0909/70027.html
11:08 < rxr> TDP is plain stupid
11:08 < rxr> I was waiting for something Nokia Boolet - like for years
11:09 < rxr> with it's 8-12h battery life it's suites my needs, no fan, no heat
11:09 < rxr> i7 things with 45-55 W TDP? my oh my
11:10 < rxr> a 44-55 W CPU is only good for my servers, and for those that's already much, ...
11:10 < capey> well it isnt that bad to have monster cruncher on notebook but the energy consumed in idle or low workload should be smaller, core i5 and i7 should be able to shutdown cores on idle states but i guess it isnt enough
11:10 < rxr> (we even run a 8W Intel Atom 330 server for the testing of it, ...)
11:10 < capey> to get better battery life
11:10 < capey> on simulation the power is really needed
11:10 < capey> without the need of desktop pc to be carried over meetings
11:11 < capey> heh TDP 75W here :)
11:14 < capey> no wait thats 125W
11:14 < Baldzius> rxr: how much it cost you?
11:14 < rxr> nokia booklet?
11:15 < Baldzius> yep
11:15 < rxr> list price at o2 germany is some 720 EUR
11:15 < Baldzius> oh my
11:16 < rxr> i got a little discount to 70x and a palm pre tochstone charger back
11:16 < rxr> (worth some other 29 EUR or so?)
11:16 < rxr> well, I need something with loooooong battery life which I can use in train and airplane
11:16 < Baldzius> I bought Acer Aspire One with ssd disk for 170
11:16 < rxr> the other monster or crap netbooks do not alow this
11:17 < Baldzius> what I like most is boot time - 7 sec
11:17 < rxr> the booklet is less than half of competeting things like the sony vaio-x or apple macbook air
11:17 < rxr> the nokia has the more expensive z series atom, consuming even less enenergy, and 3G built-in
11:17 < rxr> and HDMI out
11:18 < rxr> not even the >2x expensive sony vaio-p has a digital out, only VGA
11:18  * rxr headshake
11:18 < rxr> believe me, I waited years, and weighted all the details
11:18 < Baldzius> I wonder how much Z differs from N ?
11:18 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/?s=book
11:19 < Baldzius> with N270 you can't watch High Definition
11:19 < rxr> Baldzius: the poulsbo chipset even consumes less
11:19 < Baldzius> but for general browsing Atom N is enough
11:20 < rxr> z series atom + poulsbo u15 whatever system hub is less than half the the regular Atom + ICH7 whatever stuff
11:20 < rxr> well, z atom is the same speed as normal tom
11:20 < rxr> atom
11:20 < rxr> just less energey, potentially better graphic thru GMA500, PowerVR
11:20 < rxr> and theoretically KVM support due VT enabled in the silicon
11:20 < rxr> though most stupid vendors switch the VT off in the BIOS
11:20 < Baldzius> it is?
11:21 < Baldzius> yeah, stupid
11:21 < rxr> I still need to hack enable the Nokia Booklet 3G VT :-)
11:21 < Baldzius> lovely
11:23 < Baldzius> I am looking to buy new laptop for my GF, picked up Toshiba Portege M800-130X, very light (1.5kg), 13" and overall it looks lovely
11:24 < rxr> i probed many many netbooks
11:24 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/hardware/portable/
11:24 < Baldzius> that one is laptop
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11:24 < Baldzius> with decent Intel Core 2 Duo T5800 
11:24 < Baldzius> 3GB ram and so on
11:24 < rxr> sound performant :_)
11:24 < Baldzius> claims to run 7.5 hour(s)
11:24 < rxr> nice
11:25 < rxr> for a simillar equipped MacBookPro  on my desk I only got 15m battery life left :-(
11:25 < rxr> either need to sell it, or get a new battery :-)
11:25 < Baldzius> well she need something decent and light for studies
11:25 < rxr> light is most important for me these days, too
11:27 < Baldzius> she has pretty good Lenovo v300 core 2 duo and 2kg weight, but screen is flickering
11:27 < Baldzius> that is not very good
11:27 < Baldzius> seems like it was droped hard couple of times
11:31 < rxr> autsch
11:31 < rxr> I kinda like the Lenovo X300 or what that ultra-portable is named
11:31 < rxr> tough a little expensive, too
11:31 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/hardware/portable/Lenovo/X200s/
11:32 < Baldzius> I don't like track ball but it looke very professional
11:33 < Baldzius> for some reason before I didn't like IBM's design at all
11:38 < CIA-28> rene * r34794 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * updated tcpdump (3.9.8 -> 4.0.0)
11:41 < Baldzius> rxr: it compiles for you?
11:41 < Baldzius> it wasn't for me last time I tried it
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11:47 < rxr> yes, right now on my reference64 build
11:48 < rxr> ok the last 32bit failed: print-enc.c:(.text+0xd5): undefined reference to `ip6_print'
11:48 < rxr> maybe new glibc, binutils, etc?
11:48 < rxr> on a just fresh rebuild it built
11:49 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25378 Nov  3 10:41 build/reference64-8.0-trunk-reference-x86-64-linux/var/adm/logs/5-tcpdump.log
11:54 < Baldzius> it wasn't building for me since it was released
11:54 < rxr> I certainly have it in my test builder for some time as well
12:41 < rxr> == 12:40:03 =[5]=> Building network/tcpdump [4.0.0 8.0-trunk].
12:41 < rxr> == 11/03/09 12:40:50 =[5]=> Finished building package tcpdump.
12:41 < rxr> built for reference(32), now, too
12:41 < rxr> maybe binutils update cured it?
12:41 < rxr> whatever, ...
12:43 < Baldzius> maybe
12:43 < CIA-28> rene * r34795 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * added Url tag to tcpdump.desc
12:55 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/tcpdump.html
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14:16 < CIA-28> rene * r34796 /trunk/package/security/openssl/x86_64-binutils-hotfix.patch: * hotfixed openssl on x86_64 with latest binutils
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17:06 < rxr> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/03/via-nano-3000-cpu-series-finally-launches-to-rival-intels-atom/
17:07 < rxr> ^-> and systems shipping in 2011 ?
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19:13 < rxr> where google builds it's products:
19:13 < rxr> [6552:6552:12448672131:ERROR:/usr/local/google/home/chrome-eng/b.64/slave/chrome-official-linux-64/build/src/chrome/browser/first_run_gtk.cc(25)] Not implemented reached in static bool FirstRun::ProcessMasterPreferences(const FilePath&, const FilePath&, std::vector<std::basic_string<wchar_t, std::char_traits<wchar_t>, std::allocator<wchar_t> >, std::allocator<std::basic_string<wchar_t, std::char_traits<wchar_t>, std::allocator<wchar_t> > > >*, int*, bool*, int*, int*)
19:14 < rxr> note the: /usr/local/google/home/chrome-eng/b.64/slave/chrome-official-linux-64/build/src/chrome/browser/first_run_gtk.cc
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