--- Log opened Tue Aug 04 00:00:38 2009
00:01 < regomodo> Apart from an XDMCP check failing in ./configure I can't see any reason why it fails
00:01 < regomodo> The make fails with this "make[1]: *** [xproto.c] Error 6"
00:02 < regomodo> Meh, this is annoying, i'm leaving it for now.
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09:24 < Baldzius> moin
09:43 < rxr> moin
09:52 < Baldzius> hey rxr
09:57 < mjungwirth> moin
09:58 < mjungwirth> i have found a bug in samba-source. i create a patch-file and send to you rxr. Can you add this to the svn-tree thanks
10:04 < CIA-27> rene * r33772 /trunk/package/xorg/xmag/xmag.desc: * updated xmag (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
10:05 < CIA-27> rene * r33773 /trunk/package/multimedia/libmtp/libmtp.desc: * updated libmtp (0.3.7 -> 1.0.0)
10:14 < CIA-27> rene * r33774 /trunk/package/security/chkrootkit/chkrootkit.desc: * updated chkrootkit (0.48 -> 0.49)
10:14 < CIA-27> rene * r33775 /trunk/package/develop/clisp/clisp.desc: * updated clisp (2.47 -> 2.48)
10:53 < CIA-27> rene * r33776 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (3.5.1 -> 3.5.2)
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11:10 < mjungwirth> rxr: how can i force to run autoconf befor configure? i need rebuild the configure after patching!
11:22 < rxr> there is some autoconf=1 variable
11:22 < mjungwirth> thanks
11:23 < rxr> runconf=1
11:23 < rxr> no wait a second
11:23 < rxr> autogen=1 :_)
11:23 < rxr> # grep gen=1 package/*/*/*.conf
11:24 < rxr> depending on your package it might do too much though. You can run less if required by adding approriated code into the relevant hook
11:24 < rxr> just ask again if autogen=1 in the .conf does too much
11:24 < rxr> btw. samba built fine here without your patch
11:24 < rxr> I guess it's cross build or newer / other libc related ?
11:28 < mjungwirth> hmm i use the trunk updated today and it dosn't build without my patch! I use the glibc and cross-build. The compiler can't find the S_IWUSR variable! The variable is defined in sys/stat.h! 
11:30 < rxr> strange
11:30 < rxr> I'll add the patch
11:30 < rxr> I already build tested it
11:30 < mjungwirth> thanks
11:30 < rxr> just spotted that it built without
11:30 < rxr> I had a samba 3.4 or what the new version update is lingering
11:30 < rxr> but due to moves files it did not yet build
11:30 < rxr> have to take a closer look
11:30 < rxr> (or wait to someone send me a samba update patch :-)(
11:31 < mjungwirth> :)
11:50 < mjungwirth> how can i set my patch file is use bevor autoconf?
11:51 < rxr> ?
11:51 < rxr> patches are applied first in any case
11:51 < Baldzius> rxr: afair they bundle it with samba4 sources so they renamed source dir name or something like that
11:52 < Baldzius> I have it here, not sure how it runs
11:52 < Baldzius> but it compiles fine though
11:52 < mjungwirth> hmm
11:52 < Baldzius> I can update if you want
11:52 < rxr> Baldzius: if it compiles and all the old patches where considered, sure :-) thanks!
11:53 < Baldzius> done :)
11:53 < CIA-27> aldas * r33777 /trunk/package/network/samba/ (4 files): * updated samba (3.3.6 -> 3.4.0)
11:53 < rxr> I just test-build another major update:
11:53 < rxr>         * updated glibc (2.9 -> 2.10.1)
11:54 < Baldzius> that one breaks at least 2 major packages
11:54 < Baldzius> bind and something else
11:54 < rxr> Baldzius: if you could spare some of your minutes a day for your well known security care and some updates I would really appreciate it!
11:54 < Baldzius> not hard to fix
11:54 < Baldzius> rxr: I need to fix my VM first
11:54 < rxr> yeah - we kind of avoided and are a little behind those glibc mess ...
11:55 < rxr> yours or mine ?
11:55 < Baldzius> that attr bug gets on my nerves :)
11:55 < Baldzius> yours
11:55 < rxr> yeah - can imagine
11:55 < rxr> I just started a from scratch amd64 reference build with the glibc update
11:55 < rxr> but my current integrator branch is so dirty
11:55 < rxr> some hundreds of possible packages and updates lingering that are all not fully ready :-((
11:56 < rxr> # svn st  | wc -l
11:56 < rxr> 531
11:56 < rxr> :-(
11:56 < Baldzius> messy
11:56 < rxr> that is just my major trunk
11:56 < rxr> I have another with support to cross compile win32 apps ... :-)
11:56 < rxr> should flussh that soon
11:56 < Baldzius> git would be your best friend here
11:56 < rxr> nah, I really hate git
11:56 < rxr> worst usability cruft I ever seen
11:56 < rxr> mecurial would be nice though
11:56 < Baldzius> well , I like it
11:57 < Baldzius> very easy to work especialy when it comes to branches
11:57 < Baldzius> whenever locally or remotely
11:57 < Baldzius> never tried mercurial
11:57 < rxr> well thing is those 500++ new files, patches etc. would not be easier to maintain in any other version control system
11:57 < rxr> as they just don't build
11:58 < rxr> that are accumulated updates that just did not build, had regressions
11:58 < rxr> new packages (from freshmeat etc.) that would be nice to have but are ugly packaged and just never built likewise
11:58 < Baldzius> you could move them easily across branches you like
11:58 < rxr> so just some random junk that would not be easier to sort with any system
11:58 < Baldzius> cherry-pick is really nice tool
11:59 < Baldzius> but everyone uses what he likes most :)
11:59 < Baldzius> I am fine with both svn and git
11:59 < Baldzius> but I like git more
12:00 < rxr> I like hg (mercurial) most
12:00 < rxr> the "nice to have features" from git, and still usable
12:00 < rxr> everytime I have to use git I waste 30m++ searching their f*cking documentation
12:00 < Baldzius> yeah I do myself the same :)
12:03 < rxr> :-(
12:03 < rxr> yeah - that's why I prefer hg :-)
12:03 < rxr> oh - actually I use hg for all temporary work
12:03 < rxr> just hg init in any dir and start coding
12:03 < rxr> local versioned stuff until you publish - ueber handy
12:04 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/mercurial.html
12:12 < rxr> but for t2 I want to keep svn as primary repository
12:12 < rxr> everything else wasts too much migration time etc.
12:12 < rxr> it just works (tm) right now
12:14 < Baldzius> yeah, even a small and inocent change can get into huge avalanche
12:15 < Baldzius> it's better to leave as it is especially if everything works fine
12:16 < Baldzius> but changes sometimes are necessary otherwise we reach the same destiny as dinosaurs did
12:16 < Baldzius> do not change is not an option
12:17 < rxr> yeah - but svn is not so much an factor for my needs and productivity
12:18 < rxr> though exchanging the "more often than I like crashing and security prolematic" monolithic linux kernel with some multi-server micro kernel is more of a desperate need for my needs ... :-)
12:19 < Baldzius> yep, kernel crash is not a nice thing to get
12:20 < rxr> oh - btw. if your VM access stalls for some minute than it's our router which has a eth0 hickup stall every week for some minute with latest linux kernels :-(((
12:20 < rxr> happens seldomly, though ...
12:21 < Baldzius> not a big deal
12:21 < Baldzius> thanks for mentioning
12:21 < rxr> yeah -happens rarely
12:21 < rxr> every week
12:21 < rxr> and only intern. network is affected, outside services continue on eth1 ... :-)
12:21 < rxr> so only intern. folks notice
12:22 < rxr> and you with your vm access :-)
12:22 < rxr> when some of the big workloads on my desk are done I also plan to update the bare metal of the big VM
12:22 < rxr> to some AMD hardware, for the higher VT performance of it
12:23 < rxr> but that is some months off
12:25 < mjungwirth> rxr: i have send you a patch, .desc file for screen (enable cross-compile)
12:25 < rxr> sounds promissing
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13:00 < mjungwirth> rxr: new mail received :) package htop ready for cross-compile
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13:46 < develop> Does everybody find t2-7.0 easy to work with? I'm finding that it is very difficult to either to get a complete build or one that works.
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14:08 < mjungwirth> rxr: have you received my mails?
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14:14 < Baldzius> anyone knows how to dump xorg configuration from the server running with no config file (autoconfiguration)?
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14:15 < Baldzius> I think I've got it in different way, don't remember how
14:17 < Baldzius> curious to check the configuration I have now with the one it gets with xorg's autoconfiguration feature
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14:23 < rxr> what the f*ck
14:23 < rxr> new udev requires glib ???
14:25 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Computex/2009/DSC03863.JPG <- "what the fuck is going on"
14:26 < rxr> guess we're stuck the with some udev around 136 or so :-)
14:28 < Baldzius> why it would require glib?
14:29 < rxr> probably ease their C coding
14:29 < rxr> hash or whatever etc.
14:31 < rxr> if I would care more about linux I would finally write a udev++
14:31 < rxr> but, oh well, I'm just waiting for the next best micro kernel OS
14:31 < rxr> worst case I pick DragonFlyBSD as the next best thing to deploy ...
14:31 < rxr> (which of course means adding dragonfly support in T2 :-)
14:32 < koan> nice :)
14:32 < rxr> yeah - but not in the next days
14:32 < koan> heh :)
14:32 < rxr> too much work on the desk, and the need for some honeymoon sooner than later :-)
14:32 < rxr> should commit my lingering win32 bits, though :-)
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14:33 < koan> I should find some time to work again with T2
14:33 < rxr> btw. for those not noticed yet, dragonfly bsd is a micro kernel hybrid
14:33 < rxr> http://www.dragonflybsd.org/
14:33 < rxr> also linked on our startpage: http://t2-project.org/startpage/
14:34 < rxr> though I would prefer a real multi server micro kernel OS
14:34 < koan> that would become a T2 GNU/kDragonFlyBSD?
14:35 < rxr> not necessarily "GNU", but yet
14:35 < rxr> yes
14:35 < rxr> if the later does not manifest in the next couple of years, who knows maybe I should start my own kernel then :-)
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14:35 < koan> :)
14:35 < koan> I have been following the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD work with much interest
14:36 < koan> I always thought it would be cool if T2 also could have different OS kernels
14:36 < rxr> yeah - easily possible, always wanted, just lack of "man power"
14:36 < rxr> a decent sponsor (Hello Google?) would certainly also help
14:36 < koan> I figure it would not be a trivial task...
14:37 < koan> have you tried applying for GSOC?
14:37 < rxr> yeah - last 3 years, no success
14:37 < rxr> we skipped this year, though
14:38 < rxr> personally I find their program lacking transparency anyway
14:38 < rxr> strange unknown "projects" accepted while e.g. not t2, not even gotten any feedback why, until I mailed some managers there directly
14:38 < rxr> and even then it was just "probably just lack of public awareness" response ... "just try again next year, thanks ..."
14:39 < rxr> but oh well, it's their money, so ...
14:39 < rxr> we (exactcode) stopped google adwords though
14:39 < koan> :)
14:39 < rxr> (though they where pretty ineffective anyway, ...)
14:39 < rxr> money better spent on other PR channels we figured
14:40 < koan> you can try a big PR campaign with the launch of T2 8.0 :-)
14:40 < rxr> yeah
14:40 < rxr> and win32 support :_)
14:40 < rxr> *evilgrin*
14:42 < rxr> I was also thinking about just providing "minimal" builds
14:42 < rxr> as opposed to "full desktop builds", such as openbsd is providing
14:42 < rxr> would reduce build time
14:42 < rxr> and we could only include packages that cross compile and thus build any CDs (also powerpc and sparc) on decent silicon
14:42 < rxr> and that automatically, weekly
14:51 < koan> that would be interesting indeed
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15:33 < rxr> Baldzius: coreutils update also pending
15:33 < rxr> fails too bootstrap (cross compile) on my side, though
15:34 < Baldzius> try :
15:34 < Baldzius> gl_cv_func_re_compile_pattern_working=yes
15:34 < Baldzius> gl_cv_func_rename_trailing_dest_slash_bug=no
15:34 < Baldzius> gl_cv_func_rename_trailing_slash_bug=no
15:34 < rxr> heh
15:35 < rxr> if you have it sort of tested just commit :-)
15:35 < Baldzius> no I don't have it
15:35 < Baldzius> I was only checking only
15:35 < Baldzius> I got it from Fedora
15:35 < Baldzius> I think
15:35 < rxr> I reverted in my messy tree for the glibc update test for now
15:35 < Baldzius> ok
15:35 < Baldzius> I can try
15:36 < rxr> yeah - that would be great
15:36 < Baldzius> okidoki
15:40 < develop> I wonder if I could get any help. xorg/libxcb  keeps failing to build in t2-7.0
15:41 < Baldzius> which stage?
15:41 < Baldzius> 5?
15:41 < rxr> failed in 1 for a fresh build for me
15:42 < develop> by "=[1]=>" i'm guessing stage1
15:42 < rxr> yes
15:42 < Baldzius> libxcb in stage 1?
15:42 < Baldzius> cross compile?
15:42 < develop> yeah
15:42 < rxr> i was speaking about my coreutils :-)
15:42 < rxr> Baldzius: ignore me then :-)
15:43 < Baldzius> :)
15:43 < Baldzius> libxcb went ugly lately as I upgraded locally
15:43 < Baldzius> toook me a while to clean the thing up
15:43 < Baldzius> couldn't compile any program using x11 libs
15:44 < develop> It seems to be due to a file "xproto.xml"
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15:46 < develop> What do you mean by upgrade locally? Did you change the versions in a config file?
15:46 < Baldzius> Emerge-Pkg
15:46 < Baldzius> I went from 1.5 -> 1.6
15:47 < Baldzius> was very nasty
15:47 < Baldzius> never had such problems before
15:47 < develop> Did you do that after creating a minimal install without xorg?
15:48 < Baldzius> no, I did it on fully functioning stable system
15:48 < Baldzius> my work's laptop
15:48 < Baldzius> but in general I always do minimal build without x
15:49 < Baldzius> and after installing it I continue what I need with Emerge-Pkg
15:49 < Baldzius> in most cases
15:49 < rxr> develop: cross builds might have additional troubel due to some xcb XML parsing
15:49 < Baldzius> sometimes I use Desktop target
15:49 < rxr> what exactly is the error ?
15:49 < rxr> maybe we shoudl build some xslt for the cross build toolchain
15:49 < develop> rxr: that seems to be the issue
15:50 < develop> warning: failed to load external entity "xproto.xml"
15:50 < develop> unable to parse xproto.xml
15:50 < rxr> maybe the we don't do so and an old / broken host system xslt tool is used
15:50 < rxr> some months ago it was possible to get a working X11 without the new xcb stuff
15:50 < rxr> you could either try get it to build probably for your case and send us the patches
15:50 < rxr> or disable the xcb packages in your config for now and cross the fingers to get a functional X notheless
15:51 < rxr> or install a minimal without x and Emerge the rest
15:51 < develop> I've no idea how to make patches so i'll probably skip that.
15:52 < rxr> why the heck do all recent open source, mostly GNU et al. updates break
15:52 < rxr> not even a minor gawk update builds out-of-the-box
15:52 < rxr> damnit
15:53 < Baldzius> this is really stupid
15:53 < rxr> I really wonder how they can break more than fixing things ...
15:53 < rxr> (others name it regressions)
15:53 < Baldzius> so much effort until the next package's release
15:54 < rxr> in stuff like gawk, ...
15:54 < Baldzius> and the story goes forever
15:54  * rxr really wondering
15:54 < mjungwirth> any question: 
15:54 < mjungwirth> i build the dhcp package
15:54 < mjungwirth> the new one
15:55 < mjungwirth> last in the svn trunk
15:55 < mjungwirth> it stops with an error.
15:55 < mjungwirth> i search on google and found a bug in isc-dhcp
15:55 < mjungwirth> i update the package to the new one
15:55 < mjungwirth> now i have a error (is it an error) 
15:55 < mjungwirth> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-dhcp.out
15:55 < mjungwirth> !> `doc/References.txt' -> `/tv/ocios/build/ocios-i32any-8.0-trunk-ocilion-x86-i686-cross/usr/doc/dhcp/References.txt'
15:55 < mjungwirth> !> `doc/References.xml' -> `/tv/ocios/build/ocios-i32any-8.0-trunk-ocilion-x86-i686-cross/usr/doc/dhcp/References.xml'
15:55 < mjungwirth> !> `doc/api+protocol' -> `/tv/ocios/build/ocios-i32any-8.0-trunk-ocilion-x86-i686-cross/usr/doc/dhcp/api+protocol'
15:56 < mjungwirth> !> cp: omitting directory `doc/examples'
15:56 < mjungwirth> !> `client/dhclient.conf' -> `/tv/ocios/build/ocios-i32any-8.0-trunk-ocilion-x86-i686-cross/usr/doc/dhcp/dhclient.conf'
15:56 < mjungwirth> !> `server/dhcpd.conf' -> `/tv/ocios/build/ocios-i32any-8.0-trunk-ocilion-x86-i686-cross/usr/doc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf'
15:56 < develop> I noticed that the t2 webiste says the prerequisites to start a build is gcc,ncurses,sed and awk. I've found that to be very far from the truth on Debian stable
15:56 < mjungwirth> !> Due to previous errors, no 1-dhcp.log file!
15:56 < mjungwirth> !> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
15:56 < mjungwirth> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-dhcp.out -> 1-dhcp.err
15:56 < mjungwirth> == 08/04/09 15:51:37 =[1]=> Aborted building package dhcp.
15:56 < mjungwirth> -> Unmounting loop mounts ...
15:56 < mjungwirth> what is the error?
15:57 < rxr> develop: we try to do our best
15:57 < rxr> but sometimes cross building packages use stuff we have not noticed yet
15:57 < rxr> mjungwirth: I guess the problem "might be just" that cp skipeed a directory while coping the examples
15:57 < rxr> and thus had a non-zero exit code
15:57 < rxr> (if you have no other errors in your log)
15:58 < mjungwirth> no other errors 
15:58 < mjungwirth> !
15:58 < mjungwirth> strange!
15:58 < rxr> that is jsut the t2 package as it is ?
15:58 < develop> rxr: I thought i'd give you the list i have so far. g++,zlib-dev,gcc-multilib,libglib-dev,gettext,libfreetype-dev,doxygen,syslinux,parted
15:58 < mjungwirth> yes but i changed to newer version
15:58 < rxr> can you post it on the t2 mailing lsit so I do not forget ?
15:59 < mjungwirth> 4.1.1b1
15:59 < mjungwirth> how can i do that :)?
16:00 < mjungwirth> sorry but i don't use the mailing list this time 
16:00 < rxr> # svn up package/network/dhcp/dhcp.conf
16:00 < rxr> try again
16:00 < CIA-69> rene * r33779 /trunk/package/network/dhcp/dhcp.conf: 
16:00 < CIA-69> * improved the dhcp package not to error out if the copied documentation
16:00 < CIA-69> directory has sub-directories
16:00 < rxr> mjungwirth: the list note was meant for "develop"
16:00 < rxr> but having it in the irc log is good enough for now, too
16:00 < mjungwirth> ok
16:01 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/irclogs/t2-2009-08-04.html
16:01 < mjungwirth> yes it runs
16:01 < mjungwirth> all nice
16:02 < rxr> mjungwirth: you mean "builds with that _copy fix_"?
16:02 < mjungwirth> yes perfekt
16:03 < rxr> ok - welcome
16:03 < rxr> don't forget to send me the update patch
16:03 < rxr> I plan to review your latest emails soon
16:04 < mjungwirth> yes i send in 2 min :)
16:04 < rxr> yeah - don't stress
16:04 < rxr> I need to concentrate on my other code for some more hours anyway
16:05 < rxr> take your time, it was just the general "hint hint" reminder
16:15 < develop> rxr: I'll send that list now
16:16 < develop> ermm. Which one do you want me to send it to?
16:17 < rxr> t2 @ t2-project . org
16:19 < develop> Done
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20:39 < develop> Hi. I'm trying to do a minimal x-compile minimal build and it keeps failing at gettext. The output is here http://pastebin.com/m5b66d3f2
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20:59 < develop> Nobody? :(
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22:39 < develop> Has anybody got a 7.0 x-compile build to work? I've just managed to build 1 problem free but the installer fails to work.
22:39 < develop> This is starting to get on my goat. I've spent the last 2 days trying to get something to work and the builds jus keep failing.
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