--- Log opened Sun Feb 01 00:00:50 2009 01:31 -!- tri [n=tri@p4FCF3BD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:06 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 04:15 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:54 -!- CIA-23 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:54 -!- CIA-23 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 11:19 -!- DEac-_ [n=deac@85-127-104-51.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit ["leaving"] 12:00 [Users #t2] 12:00 [@ChanServ] [ koan] [ RayMan72] [ Stealth ] [ {Brad} ] 12:00 [ CIA-23 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ synchris] [ |beowulf|] 12:00 [ dsoul ] [ mtr ] [ Skapare ] [ TobiX ] 12:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 12:10 < rxr> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/1859200 12:10 < rxr> The "Bloody Mess" That Is Intel's Poulsbo Driver 12:16 < rxr> http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on-linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/ 12:26 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53875415.versanet.de] has joined #t2 12:27 [Users #t2] 12:27 [@ChanServ] [ koan] [ mtr ] [ Skapare ] [ TobiX ] 12:27 [ CIA-23 ] [ LMJ ] [ RayMan72] [ Stealth ] [ {Brad} ] 12:27 [ dsoul ] [ mpp ] [ rxr ] [ synchris] [ |beowulf|] 12:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 12:27 < rxr> moin mpp 12:27 < mpp> moinsen :-) 12:34 < CIA-23> rene * r32011 /trunk/package/base/atop/ (atop.desc linux-2.6.23.diff.disabled pkg_linux_pre.conf): * updated atop/atoppatch-kernel (2.6.27 -> 2.6.28) 12:43 < rxr> http://code.google.com/p/asmjit/ 12:44 < rxr> https://gna.org/projects/softwire 12:46 < mpp> iproute2 builds outside top-level dir 12:46 < rxr> yes, noticed that, too 12:47 < mpp> what's the cause ? 12:47 < rxr> r31988 | aldas | 2009-01-30 20:15:27 +0100 (Fri, 30 Jan 2009) | 2 lines 12:47 < rxr> * updated iproute2 (2.6.19-061214 -> 2.6.28) 12:47 < mpp> yes i know 12:47 < mpp> can we fix it ? 12:47 < rxr> everything is possible 12:47 < mpp> it's kinda basic package 12:47 < rxr> (yes we can!) 12:48 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-01-23/following-barack-obama-inaugural-speech-in-berlin/ 12:48 < rxr> mpp: I'll take a look at that problem, now 12:49 < mpp> k 12:49 < mpp> appreciated 12:50 < rxr> it's troublesome how the big "pseudo open" project constantly screw up their sources 12:50 < rxr> the openoffice-org 3.0.1 (minor) update also does build neither 12:51 < rxr> fails quickly on some mkdir of the cppunit sub-dir 12:51 * rxr headshake 12:51 < rxr> mkdir ./unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/cppunit-1.8.0/ 12:51 < rxr> mkdir: cannot create directory `./unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/cppunit-1.8.0/': File exists 12:51 < rxr> cd ./unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/cppunit-1.8.0/ && dmake product="full" && touch /TOOLCHAIN/src.openoffice-org.reference.20090201.120909.2148.8way/OOO 12:51 < rxr> 300_m15/cppunit/./unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/so_built_so_cppunit 12:51 < rxr> cd src/win32 && make product="full" 12:51 < rxr> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. 12:51 < rxr> dmake: Error code 2, while making 'target' 12:51 < rxr> dmake: Error code 255, while making './unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/so_built_so_cppunit' 12:51 < rxr> ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making /TOOLCHAIN/src.openoffice-org.reference.20090201.120909.2148.8way/OOO300_m15/cppunit 12:59 < rxr> mpp: iproute2 breakage looks like defect upstream Makefile 13:00 < rxr> mpp: strange defaults they use .. 13:01 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 13:02 -!- Baldzius [n=aldas@89.127.179.94] has joined #t2 13:02 < Baldzius> moin 13:02 < rxr> hey Baldzius 13:02 < Baldzius> moin rxr 13:06 < CIA-23> aldas * r32012 /trunk/package/network/iproute2/iproute2.conf: * guided iproute2 to install documentation and manuals into proper location 13:07 < rxr> Baldzius: was just about to commit the same 13:07 < Baldzius> heh :) 13:07 < rxr> do you use scripts/Commit ? it should have marked your first sbin line with a trailing red box as it has a new extra space, now? 13:09 < Baldzius> yeah, missed that 13:09 < rxr> the red idicators are a "just new feature" just soem month old 13:10 < CIA-23> rene * r32013 /trunk/package/network/iproute2/iproute2.conf: * improved r32012: instead of new extra trailing whitespace set the directories in one line of code 13:10 < Baldzius> i was fixing it late night yesterday so i might pressed space accidentaly 13:10 < rxr> no problem 13:10 < rxr> I only noticed it as I had the same changes in the file already :-) 13:11 < Baldzius> alright 13:15 < digitaloktay> hi leute 13:15 < rxr> hi digitaloktay 13:16 < CIA-23> aldas * r32014 /trunk/target/share/install/init: * allow instalation to mount from ext4 bootable media 13:16 < Baldzius> moin digitaloktay 13:16 < digitaloktay> hi rxr Baldzius 13:17 < Baldzius> rxr: i was playing with usb stick couple of days and the node for it is created after init has been already started 13:17 < Baldzius> so you have manually to point to it 13:17 < Baldzius> i guess my laptop is very fast 13:17 < rxr> Baldzius: the early user-space intentionally had no huge copyright header to save some bytes 13:18 < rxr> Baldzius: but I guess with current storage sizes we just ignore that point ... 13:18 < Baldzius> heh, sorry :) 13:18 < Baldzius> i can remove, np 13:18 < rxr> Baldzius: you mean live booting from USB stick? 13:18 < Baldzius> yes 13:18 < rxr> that the device is created later is ok 13:18 < rxr> the early init has a loop and is suppost to wait some 15 seconds or so until it appears 13:18 < Baldzius> but it doesn't want to come up in the menu 13:18 < rxr> I just booted T2 from USB stick yesterday on a Sony VGN-P in a store 13:19 < Baldzius> hm 13:19 < Baldzius> somehow it doesn't work 13:19 < Baldzius> it picks up only cdrom 13:19 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/portable/Sony/VGN-P/ 13:19 < rxr> ah - you mean the installer? 13:19 < rxr> install from USB stick ? 13:19 < rxr> that might be true 13:19 < rxr> the init of the installer flavour of T2 might only lists cdroms 13:19 < rxr> historically, as one usually installs form cdrom 13:19 < rxr> installed from cdrom ... 13:20 < Baldzius> that sony is just recently released? 13:20 < rxr> yes, new device from CES 13:20 < rxr> I have not yet brought it only checked it out in the store last ngiht 13:20 < rxr> it was a pre-production sample anyway 13:20 < Baldzius> how it feels? 13:20 < rxr> they take pre-orders for shipment mid Februrary 13:20 < Baldzius> nice laptop ? 13:20 < rxr> yeah - quite nice 13:21 < rxr> but I'm a perfectionist, I always find something not so nice 13:21 < Baldzius> for example? 13:21 < rxr> e.g. in the German version the right shift key is extremely stupidly placed ... 13:21 < Baldzius> don't use right shift at all 13:21 < rxr> some English verisons suffer from the same shift placement, the Japan version has a saner right shift layout ... 13:21 < rxr> and the mouse buttons get easily pressed when you want tp press space 13:22 < rxr> aside from that the keyboard is suprisingly well for such a super tiny device 13:22 < Baldzius> oh yeah, i can see in the picture 13:22 < rxr> another stupid thing is that the display is so tiny and high-res 13:22 < rxr> given the side brezle / border they could have at least made the display a little bigger 13:22 < rxr> the biggest showstopper for using linux on it is the Intel GMA 500 chipset - Puslbo 13:23 < rxr> it's PowerVR based 3D and there is only a very crappy binary only mess that barely works for Linux at the moment 13:23 < rxr> -- 13:23 < rxr> another super strange thing is that the Splashtop based X-Bar instand on navigation is done extremely poorly 13:23 < rxr> the graphic does not look like the PS3 or PSP 13:24 < rxr> it is super cheap, like 20y old DOS game 13:24 < rxr> with arrow key only navigation (no mouse in the X-Bar) and a super ugly font 13:24 < Baldzius> :) 13:24 < rxr> and when one selection the Internet icon I guess another Linux boots as it takes some seconds and flickers around ... 13:24 < Baldzius> what kernel version you've booted up? 13:24 < rxr> this pseudo X-Bar instant on Sony Linux is super strange and super ugly ... 13:25 < rxr> I bootet the latest Archivista build 2.6.26 13:25 < rxr> worked out of the box 13:25 < Baldzius> cool 13:25 < rxr> oh - and the nice thing has GPS and 3G 13:25 < rxr> but I have not tested if those could be made to work under Linux 13:26 < rxr> and a cool thing is that it has the higher end Atom CPU that at least has VT 13:26 < Baldzius> myself i still strugling to get my new laptop wot work with b43 OS driver 13:26 < Baldzius> with no success so far 13:26 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-01-15/intel-atom-no-64-bit-nor-vt/ 13:26 < Baldzius> so habve to stick with proprietary 13:26 < rxr> every of this tiny PC laptops has major drawbacks 13:26 < Baldzius> but can't complain 13:27 < rxr> if I would have got some money I guess I should manufactor some perfect one ... 13:27 < rxr> too bad I have none to spare :-( 13:27 < Baldzius> :) 13:27 < rxr> btw. the Samsung NC20 with Via Nano got quite positive performance and battery life reviews 13:27 < rxr> too bad it looks plain ugly - the first reason for me not to get it ... 13:28 < rxr> ... and is 12" and thus too big for my "on the road work needs" 13:29 < rxr> PS: if soneone of Sony ever get to read this IRC log, feel free to contract me to get some more useful and pretty instant on Linux for your next device, thanks. 13:29 < Baldzius> lol 13:30 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 13:30 < rxr> Baldzius: the X-Bar thing on the Sony P is so ugly it's not funny anymore, and really does not suit this otherwise lovely designed piece of hardware at all ... 13:33 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 13:36 < Baldzius> yeah, this is really awkward 13:38 < CIA-23> rene * r32015 /trunk/target/share/install/init: * removed huge copyright note from early user-space init as introduced in r32014 13:38 < rxr> oh - and Sony also gets on my nerves by charging 33% more in Germany than compared to the US 13:42 < Baldzius> everything is cheapier in US i'd say 13:42 < Baldzius> myself i also buy computer stuff from UK as here in Ireland prices are higher 13:43 < rxr> yeah - ususally a little (also accounting that US prices are usually listed excluding tax, while in germany they are usually listed including tax) 13:43 < rxr> but Sony really is stressing it ... 13:43 < Baldzius> and choice is smaler 13:44 < rxr> yeah - maybe I should order the Sony VGN-P in Japan, also to get a sane right shift key placement ... ! 13:52 < Baldzius> :) 14:01 < CIA-23> rene * r32016 /trunk/package/kde/twinkle/twinkle.desc: * updated twinkle (1.3.2 -> 1.4.1) 14:11 < CIA-23> rene * r32017 /trunk/misc/share/CVTranslations: * further improved CVTranslations to make old-style sourceforge URLs still work for update checks 14:31 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53875415.versanet.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121621]"] 14:53 < CIA-23> rene * r32018 /trunk/package/audio/hydrogen/gcc43.patch: * fixed hydrogen for gcc-4.3 15:05 < RayMan72> i was looking for gnat compiler..and ada GPS for T2.. 15:06 < RayMan72> can someone help me out of this. 15:19 < rxr> though t2 includes a lot, there was not yet ADA support submitted 15:19 < rxr> if you want to use the gcc built-in feel free to submit a patch bootstrapping it among the other languges 15:19 * rxr off for dinner - cu 15:27 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:37 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-088-064-162-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 19:38 * Skapare wonders what rxr eats for dinner 19:49 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53877643.versanet.de] has joined #t2 19:51 < mpp> i got an error building rescue image on trunk - aufs spits a bunch of errors 19:51 < mpp> anyone else built the rescue target ? 19:52 < Skapare> not yet 19:57 < mpp> i'll give it a shot with aufs from 26-jan-2009 19:57 < mpp> see if the linux26 builds 20:13 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-4-82-236-42-164.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:13 < mpp> still broken .. 20:13 < Skapare> :-( 20:13 < mpp> no problem 20:14 < mpp> i've got my own repo - exlucding some trunk packages 20:14 < Skapare> I'm still learning about T2 and organizing things to try it out 20:14 < mpp> so ill stick with the previous kernel 20:14 < mpp> 2.6.27-10 20:14 < Skapare> is it the kernel that is not building? 20:14 < mpp> yes 20:14 < Skapare> for what target/arch ? 20:14 < mpp> the aufs patch is causing gcc error 20:14 < mpp> the rescue target 20:15 < mpp> thats the one i use the most 20:15 < Skapare> OK, I don't know aufs 20:15 < mpp> neither do i :-) 20:15 < mpp> but wth ... 20:15 < Skapare> a reason you need the aufs patch? 20:15 < mpp> the rescue target is based on it 20:15 < mpp> so no aufs no rescue target ... 20:15 < Skapare> what kind of rescue target is this? 20:15 < mpp> intitramfs 20:16 < mpp> the target is part of t2 20:16 < Skapare> I mean what kind of final target would need aufs? 20:16 < mpp> it's target/rescue 20:16 < mpp> in the svn tree 20:17 < Skapare> OK ... before coming to learn T2 I have made kernels with initramfs before, and seen nothing called aufs 20:17 < Skapare> what kind of target arch? a pc? x86? x86_64? 20:17 < mpp> you surely can handle things in other ways 20:17 < mpp> but the write overlay is nice 20:17 < mpp> x86 / x86_64 20:18 < Skapare> what is expected to happen if aufs is omitted? 20:18 < mpp> i have no idea 20:18 < mpp> rxr is the packet maintainer at t2 20:19 < Skapare> I'm still trying to get a grasp on what this aufs is and why it is needed ... initramfs per se does not need it 20:19 < mpp> its an overlay to rootfs 20:19 < Skapare> make your own custom target without aufs 20:19 < mpp> so you can emulate r/w on fs 20:19 < Skapare> so it's just an overlay filesystem? 20:19 < mpp> well a lot of scripts need write access during the rescue target bootup 20:20 * Skapare just writes on rootfs itself 20:20 < mpp> so one would need to rewrite the rescue target somewhat to make it work without overlayfs 20:20 < Skapare> I guess these are things I need to explore as I learn about T2 20:21 < mpp> honestly i have to pass on the aufs issue 20:21 < mpp> that's correct . 20:21 < mpp> anyways 20:21 < mpp> what are you using t2 for ? 20:21 < mpp> or intend to use it.. 20:22 < Skapare> to avoid having to build up all the script infrastructure for myself ... intend to use it for various things including an embedded application builder kit 20:22 < mpp> ah k 20:22 < Skapare> don't know for sure if I will use it ... looking at both T2 and Gentoo (including embedded Gentoo) 20:22 < mpp> maybe rxr can drop a line on the aufs target/rescue issue 20:23 < Skapare> Gentoo looks to be too messy to make much changes to 20:23 < mpp> true 20:23 < mpp> therefore we have t2 :-) 20:24 < Skapare> the target users for what I'm planning to build will be people porting linux to all new platforms for the very first time 20:25 < Skapare> platform being a board with a custom configuration ... but based on a common architecture for which tool chain already exists and kernel port has been done 20:26 < Skapare> what I expect to do with T2 is get into building my own targets (after playing around learning it some first with existing targets) 20:27 < Skapare> and the end users shall be able to add their application code to the whole build process so the end result is 100% complete image 20:27 < mpp> that's a domain of t2 definetly 20:28 < Skapare> for example for a cable TV set top box, they would add their cable user graphical interface programs, and their tuner drivers 20:28 < mpp> but be aware it is a build kit and no distro per se 20:28 < Skapare> yeah, T2 looks like a really good fit for this 20:28 < Skapare> yeah, and what I would be building is also that ... not a distro per se 20:29 < Skapare> for all I know, maybe what I'll build can just be added to T2 itself ... I'm doing it all GPL 20:29 -!- Baldzius [n=aldas@89.127.179.94] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:30 < Skapare> well, I'm going to go find some lunch ... maybe rxr will be back from dinner to answer your issue soon 20:55 < mpp> it seems the rescue target does neither use unionfs nor aufs ... 20:55 < mpp> could be legacy stuff ... 20:55 < mpp> i'm rebuilding the rescue target asap 21:50 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53877643.versanet.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121621]"] 23:17 -!- RayMan72 [n=radjis@dhcp-077-250-081-057.chello.nl] has quit ["i've to Leave"] --- Log closed Mon Feb 02 00:00:56 2009