--- Log opened Wed Sep 03 00:00:15 2008
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08:36 < mtr> moin
09:08 < rxr> moin mtr 
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09:08 [ axionix ] [ Enqlave] [ koan   ] [ mtr      ] [ shevy] 
09:08 [ CIA-8   ] [ felanha] [ LMJ    ] [ Ragnarin ] [ TobiX] 
09:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
09:15 < rxr> mtr: thanks for r30310
10:00 < mtr> rxr: yw :)  system tweaks after reinstalling from trunk
10:01 < mtr> and overall kde 4.1 is amazing fast and stable ;-)
10:03 < rxr> it works for you ?
10:06 < mtr> yes, it works here (tm)
10:07 < rxr> ah - ok - have run the shared-mime-info postinstall and now it starts to work here, as well
10:07 < mtr> I rsync-ed atonew partition from a fresh buildroot
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10:23 < CIA-8> rene * r30313 /trunk/package/multimedia/live/live.desc: * updated live (2008.07.06 -> 2008.09.02)
10:23 < CIA-8> rene * r30312 /trunk/package/gnome2/rarian/rarian.desc: * updated rarian (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1)
10:23 < CIA-8> rene * r30314 /trunk/package/gnome2/goffice/goffice.desc: * updated goffice (0.6.4 -> 0.6.5)
10:33 < CIA-8> mtr * r30315 /trunk/package/office/acroread/ (6 files): * updated acroread (7.0.8 -> 8.1.2)
10:44 < rxr> mtr: you do not use kmail, do you ?
10:56  * mtr uses evolution
10:58 < rxr> ah - ok - just ask because some still broken ssl in kmail for imap thing
10:58 < rxr> but I just patched it - commit coming when my test build finished in hopefully just some minutes
11:07 < mpp> moin
11:07 < mpp> anyone else trouble with e2fsprogs ?
11:08 < rxr> moin
11:08 < rxr> not yet :-)
11:08 < mpp> i posted the error log to the ml
11:08 < mtr> moin moin mpp 
11:08 < mpp> hey mtr 
11:19 < CIA-8> rene * r30316 /trunk/package/lua/lua-bitlib/ (. lua-bitlib.cache lua-bitlib.desc): * added lua-bitlib (25) - A tiny Lua library for bitwise operations
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11:35 < Baldzius> moin
11:37 < mpp> moinsen
11:38 < Baldzius> hey mpp
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11:38 < dfiumicello> hi folks
11:38 < mpp> great - moin
11:39 < mpp> it's a t2-party
11:39 < mpp> :-)
11:39 < dfiumicello> :)
11:39 < mpp> so how was your build last night
11:39 < mpp> ;-)
11:39 < dfiumicello> it just fails :(
11:39 < mpp> ah the usual stuff some errorlog and stuff
11:39 < mpp> tell me about it
11:39 < mpp> whats the prob ?
11:40 < dfiumicello> i got the t2-trunk
11:40 < dfiumicello> while compiling e2fsprogs [1.41.1 8.0-trunk]
11:40 < dfiumicello> i got the following error:
11:40 < mpp> dito
11:40 < dfiumicello> !>      LD blkid
11:40 < dfiumicello> !> /mnt/local/dfiumicello/T2/t2-trunk/build/default-8.0-trunk-generic-x86-i486/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/crosscc/../lib/gcc/i486-t2-linux-gnu/ ..
11:40 < dfiumicello> !> ../lib/libext2fs.so: undefined reference to `_et_list'
11:40 < dfiumicello> !> ../lib/libext2fs.so: undefined reference to `com_err'
11:40 < dfiumicello> !> ../lib/libext2fs.so: undefined reference to `error_message'
11:40 < dfiumicello> !> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
11:40 < dfiumicello> !> Due to previous errors, no 1-e2fsprogs.log file!
11:40 < mpp> only solution for now is revert to  an older revision
11:41 < mpp> yep same over here
11:41 < dfiumicello> I tried the 7.0 rc2, but there I got another problem:
11:41 < mpp> like ... ?
11:42 < dfiumicello> such version try to fetch apache 2.2.6 while the current apache website stores the 2.2.9
11:42 < dfiumicello> i first try to change the version to 2.2.9 in the conf file and then rebuilding the checksum
11:42 < mpp> try revision 30302 from svn
11:42 < mpp> as far as i can tell its clean
11:42 < dfiumicello> the problem was that the patches did not apply
11:43 < dfiumicello> good, I will give it a try
11:43 < mpp> i have a generic minaml build from yesterday
11:43 < mpp> it's enough for a building host 
11:44 < mpp> if you want the iso i can arrange
11:44 < mpp> i know this trouble
11:44 < dfiumicello> is there any way to realign the patches to new source packages?
11:45 < rxr> what exactly do you mean?
11:45 < dfiumicello> I neither know... %(
11:46 < dfiumicello> by the way, thanks for your help, I'm going to revert svn and give 30302 a try
11:46 < dfiumicello> so, the party begins again... :)
11:46 < CIA-8> rene * r30317 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/sasl2.patch: * fixed kdelibs to find cyrus-sasl2, which we install as sasl2
11:47 < mpp> yea t2-build-party
11:48 < dfiumicello> :)
11:48 < mpp> that could be on the t2 magazine
11:48 < mpp> the comic short story
11:48 < mpp> t2 folks in the daily build mess :-)
11:48 < rxr> you normally do not need to rebuild all, just the package
11:50 < rxr> comics welcome
11:51 < mpp> are you serious ! 
11:51 < mpp> ill take that for granted 
11:51 < mpp> ;-)
11:51 < rxr> yes, quality ones, of course
11:51 < mpp> got it
11:53 < rxr> like so: http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/ :-)
11:57 < mpp> ahmm.....
11:57 < mpp> i had a bit different comic-style in mind 
11:57 < mpp> but i get the poing
11:57 < mpp> pint
11:57 < mpp> damndfsdfadfasd
11:57 < mpp> point 
12:00 < dfiumicello> t2-folk: After the reverting our hero has gone back to party!
12:00 < dfiumicello> the rebuilding proceed...
12:01 < dfiumicello> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-e2fsprogs.out
12:02 < mpp> welcome back
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12:04 < operativo> == 09/03/08 12:02:48 =[1]=> Finished building package e2fsprogs.
12:04 < operativo> \O/ \O/ \O/
12:04 < mpp> yeee 
12:05 < operativo> mpp, are you a devloper?
12:06 < CIA-8> rene * r30318 /trunk/package/lua/lua-bitlib/ (cross.patch lua-bitlib.desc): * fixed lua-bitlib to cross build
12:06 < mpp> an intermediate ;-)
12:07 < mpp> i like t2 and lately are working with it
12:07 < mpp> to build custom distro for various needs / projects
12:09 < mpp> i had done some rare stuff on my own with rocklinux - since i first met the guys on cebit
12:09 < operativo> How can I report this bug?
12:09 < mpp> to the ml
12:09 < mpp> bugs.t2-project.org is not up yet
12:09 < operativo> so?
12:09 < mpp> so - what ?
12:10 < operativo> lists@t2-project.org?
12:10 < mpp> ah - mom
12:11 < operativo> <thinking>(mom?)</thinking>
12:11 < mpp> t2@t2-project.org
12:11 < mpp> yeah you got it ;-)
12:11 < mpp> mom-ent mal oder so....
12:12 < mpp> whatever
12:12 < operativo> yeeeeeeeeahhhh! I'm The One!
12:12 < mpp> congrats
12:12 < operativo> :)
12:14 < operativo> listen... I didn't find anything about this:
12:15 < operativo> in the Config menu, when adding custom packages
12:16 < operativo> ==> Edit package selection rules
12:16 < operativo> ==> add new rule
12:16 < operativo> what do I have tu specify if i.e. I'd like to add apache in the package list?
12:17 < mpp> X apache
12:17 < mpp> :-)
12:18 < operativo> d'oh!
12:18 < operativo> is it anywhere in the docs?
12:18 < mpp> yep 
12:18 < mpp> rtfm
12:19 < mpp> http://t2-project.org/documentation/
12:19 < mpp> helps alot reading this out
12:19 < operativo> I read it, but i didn't find anything that explicitly tells me the syntax of the rule to add...
12:20 < operativo> maybe I'm not The One! i'm The Half! :(
12:20 < mpp> it's beacause the format is the same as in the target
12:20 < mpp> have a look at the files in a target
12:20 < mpp> target/rescue e.g.
12:21 < mpp> there is pkgsel
12:21 < mpp> which is the same as the custom config
12:23 < operativo> I see
12:23 < operativo> but I think it should be specified somewhere in the docs
13:00 < rxr> patches welcome :-)
13:05 < mpp> hey rxr
13:05 < mpp> why exactly is there a /rootfs and / on a running t2 ?
13:08 < rxr> isn't there on other distributions ?
13:08 < mpp> nope
13:08 < mpp> the reason i am asking is simple
13:09 < mpp> remounting the root ext3 with data=journal seems impossible due to /rootfs already mountd
13:09 < mpp> but i think initrdinit and other processes relai on /rootfs
13:10 < rxr> maybe some cleanup and expunchge the initramfs is then still missing
13:10 < rxr> damn complex linux fluff :-(
13:10 < mpp> i agree
13:11 < mpp> mounting the / with data=journal would give me the oppurtunity to make a target for a fast t2 installer
13:11 < mpp> so it is kinda important when it comes to newbies to t2
13:12 < mpp> cause my build hosts all show substantial speedup 
13:12 < mpp> i/o is about 1% average during generic build 
13:12 < mpp> so thats definetly a deal
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14:05 < CIA-8> rene * r30319 /trunk/package/security/clamav/clamav.desc: * updated clamav (0.93.3 -> 0.94)
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14:45 < operativo> is there a way to configure stone to use package repositories on the net instead of the ones on cdrom?
14:50 < rxr> maybe not yet, though http/ftp installing works ...
14:51 < operativo> I installed from live cd and now i'd like to extend the installation with packages that aren't on the cd. I'd prefeer to use a network repository for automatic dependences solving...
14:51 < rxr> we do not yet provide binary packages outside of ISOs
14:52 < rxr> one reason is that pre-compiled ones have fixed deps, and most people want different stuff and thus build from source
14:52 < rxr> aside most people / companies use T2 to build their own custom Embedded T2 Linux flavour, for arm, mips, using uclibc et al.
14:52 < rxr> in those cases rarely some pre-built binary would match
14:54 < operativo> so i should install the build scripts in my T2 box and use that to compile the software I need?
14:57 < rxr> yes, checkout the matching t2 source tree and scripts/Emerge-Pkg whatever
14:58 < operativo> good. Thank you!
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15:59 < operativo> is there the apache mantainer?
16:00 < rxr> did you just wrote the the t2 list ? :-)
16:08 < operativo> :) yes... switching the discussion via mail...
16:09 < mpp> hey guys
16:09 < mpp> just to let u know my e2fsprogs built know ok.
16:09 < mpp> @rxr
16:10 < mpp> i observed that updated packages did not get build 
16:10 < mpp> on my host
16:10 < mpp> does Build-Target check also for package updates ?
16:10 < mpp> you told about this on the irc channel some days ago
16:11 < rxr> no, Build-Target simply builds what's missing
16:11 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newremove -cfg ... # schedules packages for rebuild
16:11 < mpp> ah
16:12 < mpp> 1! :-)
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16:18 < operativo> @mpp: what was the problem on e2fsprogs?
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16:18 [ Baldzius] [ Enqlave] [ LMJ    ] [ operativo] [ |beowulf|] 
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16:18 < mpp> ah ... some stuff on the e2fs...so libs i thinke
16:18 < mpp> but i did the CreateErrList thing 
16:19 < mpp> so im checking on my other buildhost if its okay now
16:19 < operativo> mmmhhh... I think I will remain on 30302 for now...
16:20 < operativo> btw, of many time it takes on your machine to build a default target?
16:20 < mpp> u mean generic default ?
16:20 < operativo> yes
16:20 < mpp> depends on 
16:21 < mpp> a  bare buildhost
16:21 < mpp> no ccache ..
16:21 < mpp> days
16:21 < mpp> i figured a way of speeding up things
16:21 < mpp> as i wrote yesterday
16:21 < operativo> how?
16:21 < mpp> on what platform do u build ?
16:22 < operativo> 2xp4 @ 3Ghz, 2GB ram
16:22 < mpp> i mean t2-linux or other os
16:22 < operativo> debian lenny
16:22 < mpp> does the hdd flash alot ?
16:22 < mpp> during build
16:23 < operativo> seldom it does... for some minutes...
16:23 < mpp> so you can speed up somewhat
16:23 < mpp> what fs type is the mounted partition ure building on ?
16:23 < mpp> xfs jfs ext3 ...
16:23 < operativo> ext3
16:23 < mpp> check mount
16:24 < mpp> paste the line please 
16:25 < mpp> of the fs u are building on i mean
16:25 < mpp> mont|grep ext3
16:26 < mpp> mount|grep ext3
16:26 < mpp> sorry
16:26 < operativo> ok
16:27 < mpp> thing is 
16:27 < mpp> if you mount ext3 default there is a 5second commit interval
16:27 < mpp> data are always written to disk , metadata not
16:27 < mpp> so bottom line is:
16:27 < mpp> for the fs you are building on i figured out that 
16:28 < mpp> /dev/sdb2 on /t2-trunk type ext3 (rw,data=journal,commit=240)
16:28 < mpp> kicks ass 
16:28 < mpp> the rest is cpu / memory / fsb related
16:28 < mpp> use ccache of course
16:28 < mpp> i also activated write-cache on the hd's explicitly
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16:29 < mpp> i do advise you to be carefull though
16:29 < mpp> mount your rootfs with those settings is not recommended on a productive machine
16:29 < mpp> commit=240 -> flush every 4 minutes data+metadata
16:30 < CIA-8> rene * r30320 /branches/7.0/package/network/apache/apache.desc: * merged r29315 from trunk: updated apache (2.2.8 -> 2.2.9)
16:30 < mpp> thats why i have /t2-trunk on seperate hd / partition
16:30 < mpp> check whit top also io utilization
16:31 < mpp> or the stats in /proc
16:31 < mpp> allright ill be afk
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16:35 < mpp_away> .
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16:39 < operativo> ehi
16:39 < operativo> got a problem... sorry
16:39 < operativo> I left you on ext3...
16:40 < operativo> my mount options are:
16:40 < operativo> defaults
16:40 < operativo> so nothing special
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16:42 < mpp> so that means data=ordered and commit=5
16:42 < mpp> wich is kinda block due to the many files processed when building
16:42 < mpp> you should give it a try on a ext3 mounted fs as i have
16:43 < mpp> of course a hw-raid controller whith plenty of ram would also speedup considerable
16:46 < operativo> what are your mount options?
16:49 < mpp>  /dev/sdb2 on /t2-trunk type ext3 (rw,data=journal,commit=240)
16:49 < mpp>  kicks ass 
16:49 < mpp> i meant 
16:49 < mpp> /dev/sdb2 on /t2-trunk type ext3 (rw,data=journal,commit=240
16:50 < mpp> sorry
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17:05 < mpp> okay so e2fsprogs got built
17:05 < mpp> puhh
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17:41 < CIA-8> rene * r30321 /trunk/package/gnome2/leafpad/leafpad.desc: * updated leafpad (0.8.14 -> 0.8.15)
19:17 < mpp> hey rxr
19:17 < mpp> found a minor bug on the stone installer
19:18 < mpp> whe finishing install process stone asks to dismount and reboot
19:18 < mpp> i think the dev /rootfs / are not dismounted in correct order so 
19:18 < mpp> after the first boot on the fresh system fsck runs complaining about an unclean fs
19:19 < mpp> for now i just dismount manually - which is ok
20:06 < rxr> hm - last time all umounted fine, maybe I had not too many different mounts ...
20:06 < rxr> so - heading home - cu
20:07 < mpp> bye
21:03 < CIA-8> mtr * r30322 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb-linux-fusion/ (4 files): 
21:03 < CIA-8> * updated dfb-linux-fusion (7.0.1 -> 8.0.1)
21:03 < CIA-8> * added patch to fix compilation for 2.6.26
21:50 < CIA-8> mtr * r30323 /trunk/package/emulators/vmware/ (vmware-install.patch vmware.conf vmware.desc): * updated vmware (6.0.2 -> 6.0.5)
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22:34 < tri> hi
23:11 < mpp> hey tri
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