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08:02 < koan> hi
10:04 [Users #t2]
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10:04 [ axionix ] [ DuckFault] [ koan   ] [ mtr        ] [ timlarson] 
10:04 [ CIA-4   ] [ Enqlave  ] [ LMJ    ] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX    ] 
10:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
10:29 < mtr> moin
10:29 < rxr> mon moin mtr 
10:30 < CIA-4> rene * r30061 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-evdev/xf86-input-evdev.desc: * updated xf86-input-evdev (2.0.3 -> 2.0.4)
10:30 < CIA-4> rene * r30062 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-intel/xf86-video-intel.desc: * updated xf86-video-intel (2.4.0 -> 2.4.1)
10:32 < koan> does anyone here run T2 on PowerPC?
10:32 < rxr> yep, sure
10:32 < rxr> on half of our boxes ...
10:32 < koan> ah nice
10:32 < koan> I'd like to give it a try on my PowerMac G5
10:32 < rxr> sure, should just work
10:33 < koan> do I have to use the ppc or the ppc64 architecture?
10:33 < rxr> you have to use the ppc64 variant
10:33 < koan> thanks
10:33 < rxr> the ppc32 linux kernel does not boot on the 64bit PPC chips ...
10:33 < koan> yeah I know, but Debian uses a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userspace packages
10:33 < rxr> (although the 32bit programs of course just work, just not the kernel)
10:33 < rxr> our ppc64 images have 64bit user-space ...
10:33 < koan> nice
10:34 < rxr> (though with t2 you could build yourself other variants, and for sparc64 we actually also default to 32bit user-space for several reasons)
10:36 < koan> and how's the 64 bit performance of the applications? I read a lot of applications are slower because the address pointers use more memory
10:37 < rxr> well - as the binaries utilze newer instructions than the debian 32bit binaries compatible with the first powerpc cpu the performance is probably at least on par
10:37 < koan> ok
10:37 < rxr> but as we decided people with a 64bit CPU probably want to access more than 4GB of RAM or mmap files larger than 3GB we build 64bit by default
10:38 < rxr> of course the debian way is "just build your mysql for 64bit", but as you need all the utilzing libraries and so on as 64bit flavour this usually becomes quite a mess
10:38 < koan> indeed
10:38 < koan> okay, I will give it a try when I find some time
10:38 < rxr> if you want to benchmark we would be intersted in the results :-)
10:39 < rxr> and if you like, you can use t2 to build 32bit ppc binaries for an otherwise 64bit kernel, likewise
10:39 < rxr> we do this for sparc64, because our sparc hardware is so aging and slow ... :-(
10:39 < koan> what would be the best option for desktop usage?
10:40 < rxr> the desktop target
10:41 < rxr> but I just notice our last desktop target build was for 6.0.0 from August 2006
10:41 < rxr> maybe better use the recent minimal-powerpc64-g5 build from 7.0-rc2
10:41 < koan> and when is 8.0 coming?
10:41 < rxr> first will be 7.0 - hopefully in the next days / weeks
10:41 < rxr> 8.0 will be branched off of trunk later
10:42 < koan> ok
10:42 < rxr> we just updated to gcc-4.3 in trunk and have the usual regressions to fix :_)
10:42 < rxr> though in general trunk works quite good (except corner case / not so important packages - as usual after a major GCC update ...)
10:42 < rxr> 8.0 will probably be be end of Q4 or even Q1/09
10:43 < koan> you are one of the lead developers?
10:43 < rxr> yes
10:44 < koan> are there many developers?
10:44 < rxr> t2 is still a rather small project, but anyone welcome
10:44 < rxr> we have 25 people with SVN write access
10:44 < rxr> there is a worldmap on: http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
10:45 < koan> I discovered the project with the news of the latest Puppy Linux some months ago
10:45 < koan> I bookmarked it and thought it would be interesting to take a look at it, I like the flexible architecture
10:46 < rxr> t2 is also more and more use to cross compile linux appliances
10:46 < rxr> e.g. for AVR32, ARM, MIPS company products
10:46 < rxr> t2 can nowadays cross compile nearly 50% of the packages
10:46 < koan> the architectures list is already impressive
10:49 < CIA-4> rene * r30064 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ruby.desc: * updated ruby (1.8.7-p71 -> 1.8.7-p72) - SECURITY
10:49 < CIA-4> rene * r30063 /trunk/package/develop/mercurial/mercurial.desc: * updated mercurial (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
10:50 < koan> I will hang around here some time and follow the discussions, in a couple of weeks I will have some time to install T2, thanks already for the information
10:50 < rxr> you're welcome
10:51 < rxr> in some weeks there should also be the final 7.0 out
10:51 < rxr> as desktop build, so with more pre-built packages
10:51 < koan> perfect
10:53 < CIA-4> rene * r30065 /trunk/package/network/cherokee/cherokee.desc: * updated cherokee (0.5.6 -> 0.8.0), including updating some informational tags
10:56 < CIA-4> rene * r30066 /trunk/package/x11/xclip/ (. xclip.cache xclip.desc): * added xclip (0.11) - A command line interface to the X11 clipboard
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11:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
12:46 < CIA-4> rene * r30067 /trunk/target/rescue/pkgsel: * added atl2 and et131x to the rescue target pkgsel
12:56 < CIA-4> rene * r30068 /trunk/target/rescue/pkgsel: * added new gcc-4.3 dependencies: gmp and mpfr to the rescue target
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14:32 < CIA-4> rene * r30069 /trunk/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * added a more verbose Text tag description to the xchm package
15:02 < CIA-4> rene * r30070 /trunk/target/rescue/pkg_xorg-server.patch: * rediffed rescue xorg-server patch
15:06 < CIA-4> rene * r30071 /trunk/target/rescue/pkgsel: 
15:06 < CIA-4> * added new package dependencies to the rescue target: libnet, pixman
15:06 < CIA-4> * added reiser4progs as well as the new btrfs-progs to the rescue target
15:18 < CIA-4> rene * r30072 /trunk/package/network/acx100/acx100.desc: * updated acx100 (20070101 -> 20080210)
15:23 < CIA-4> rene * r30073 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/boot.in: 
15:23 < CIA-4> * adapted x86 CD boot support code to latest syslinux versions
15:23 < CIA-4>  installing the boot loaders into $prefix/share instead of $prefix/lib
15:30 < CIA-4> rene * r30074 /trunk/target/rescue/build.sh: 
15:30 < CIA-4> * improved rescue/build.sh for latest livecd filtering support
15:30 < CIA-4> * improved rescue/build.sh to allow building with iso/syslinux
15:30 < CIA-4> rene * r30075 /trunk/target/rescue/pkgsel: * added new openssl dependency of wpa_supplicant to the rescue target
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15:58 < CIA-4> rene * r30076 /trunk/target/share/ (initrd/build.sh livecd/build_image.sh): 
15:58 < CIA-4> * fixed new package filter code to also filter correctly for the first
15:58 < CIA-4>  and last package in the filter (due to missing spaces in the list)
15:59 < CIA-4> rene * r30077 /trunk/target/rescue/build.sh: * more space optimizations for the rescue target
16:05 < CIA-4> rene * r30078 /trunk/target/share/ (initrd/build.sh livecd/build_image.sh): 
16:05 < CIA-4> * unset the temp. variable before running target filters (so noone
16:05 < CIA-4>  relies on actually leaked variables)
16:05 < CIA-4> * sort the file list after the filter, as the target filter might
16:05 < CIA-4>  suffle or add files
16:30 < CIA-4> rene * r30079 /trunk/target/rescue/rootfs/usr/ (. bin/ bin/scp bin/ssh): * added ssh and scp symlinks to the dropbear variants to the rescue target
16:40 < CIA-4> rene * r30080 /trunk/target/rescue/rootfs/etc/minit/x11/run: 
16:40 < CIA-4> * manually specify mouse and keyboard for latest k-drive xorg-server
16:40 < CIA-4>  in the rescue target, sigh
17:08 < CIA-4> rene * r30081 /trunk/target/rescue/ (build.sh pkgsel): 
17:08 < CIA-4> * fixed rescue target var/adm stripping
17:08 < CIA-4> * futher removed some "build toolchain only" packages, reducing
17:08 < CIA-4>  the iso size from ~100MB down to ~72MB on x86
17:17 < CIA-4> rene * r30082 /trunk/target/rescue/ (build.sh rootfs/usr/bin/emacs): * added an emacs -> zile symlink and avoid bision in the rescue image
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18:09 < Baldzius> moin
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18:17 < rxr> hi Baldzius 
18:17 < rxr> hi koan 
18:17 < rxr> Baldzius: how're doing ?
18:17 < koan> hi rxr 
18:19 < Baldzius> hey rxr
18:19 < Baldzius> fine, just can't get postfix running with sasl auth
18:19 < Baldzius> struggling for whole week
18:20 < rxr> :-(
18:20 < Baldzius> f* freebsd
18:20 < rxr> not t2 related I guess, but at work?
18:20 < rxr> ah - freebsd ...
18:20 < Baldzius> yeah
18:20 < Baldzius> they are so much outdated, it drives me crazy :)
18:20 < rxr> :-)
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18:21 < CIA-4> rene * r30083 /trunk/target/rescue/ (build.sh pkgsel): * added xkeyboard-config and dependencies to the rescue target
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18:48 < CIA-4> aldas * r30084 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.14 -> 1.1.15)
18:48 < CIA-4> aldas * r30085 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.5.3 -> 2.5.4)
18:54 < rxr> so - cu all
18:55 < Baldzius> cu
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19:22 < Ragnar|away> moin moin
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19:24 < Baldzius> hey Ragnar
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19:45 < CIA-4> aldas * r30086 /trunk/package/develop/boost/ (boost.desc gcc43.patch): * updated boost (1_35_0 -> 1_36_0)
19:53 < CIA-4> aldas * r30087 /trunk/package/x11/tk/tk.desc: * updated tk (8.5.3 -> 8.5.4)
19:53 < CIA-4> aldas * r30088 /trunk/package/base/tcl/tcl.desc: * updated tcl (8.5.3 -> 8.5.4)
20:36 < rxr> re
20:36 < rxr> moin Ragnar|away 
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21:36 < Ragnar|away> moin moin
21:36 < Ragnar|away> how's it going?
21:42 < rxr> busily great as usual, and [self]?
21:48 < Ragnar|away> yea all ok here
21:49 < rxr> ok - have to leave
21:49 < rxr> have a good night err. day :-)
21:50 < Ragnar|away> lol ok
21:51 < Ragnar|away> take care :)
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