--- Log opened Sun Feb 17 00:00:06 2008
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10:43 < tri> moin
10:58 < rxr> moin
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11:15 < rgl> hi!
11:16 < rgl> just found out about t2 :D
11:16 < rxr> hi rgl 
11:17 < rgl> I wonder how it compares with rpath conary stuff :D
11:17 < rxr> never used it, so no idea .-)
11:17 < rxr> what is rpath going exactly ?
11:18 < rgl> from what I understood, its also a automated system builder
11:18 < rgl> as in http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder/
11:18 < rxr> yeah, I spotted it already, just did not got the big picture
11:19 < rxr> maybe it is like t2, but t2 and it roots where built up for some time already
11:19 < rxr> the roots of t2 are getting 10y old this year, ...
11:19 < rgl> http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/Conary
11:19 < rgl> woah :D
11:20 < rxr> maybe I have to try out rpath sometime soon to get some impression what it really is doing and how ...
11:23 < rgl> woah there is an hanbook at http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/?handbook.html :-)
11:24 < rxr> to me rpath appears to be (aside some new thing) more commercial, than the open source community t2
11:24 < rxr> did you use rpath ?
11:24 < rgl> nope
11:25 < rgl> I'm looking for something that can build small and maintanable linux virtual machines images.
11:26 < rgl> are there any plans to support the opensolaris kernel in t2?
11:26 < rxr> well, plan yes
11:26 < rxr> active work not so much right now
11:26 < rxr> it is listed here: 
11:26 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
11:27 < rxr> and here: http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
11:27 < rgl> ah thx.  I didn't found those pages yet :)
11:27 < rgl> is there a page that list the people behing t2?
11:27 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/people.html
11:28 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
11:28 < rxr> ^- has a world map of users and devels
11:29 < rgl> the gmap seems to be empty here
11:29 < rxr> oh
11:29 < rxr> which browser ?
11:30 < rgl> IE7
11:30 < rxr> ah, ok - I remeber that was known
11:30 < rxr> too few people with IE to test and back then we did not really care :-)
11:30 < rxr> I put it on my mental nice-to-have list .-)
11:31 < rgl> heh
11:31 < rgl> on FF it shows :D
11:32 < rgl> woah there is one guy or company located at portugal/lisbon (like me heh)
11:33 < rgl> you known who is aspcod?
11:33 < rxr> nope
11:35 < rgl> heh you are a developer of t2.  cool :D
11:36 < rxr> :-)
11:36 < rgl> omg, there is a portuguese Miguel Queirós is the dev list!
11:38 < rgl> your company has several people working with t2!
11:41 < CIA-8> rene * r27950 /trunk/package/network/hylafax/hylafax.desc: * updated hylafax (5.2.1 -> 5.2.2)
11:41 < CIA-8> rene * r27951 /trunk/package/editors/auctex/auctex.desc: * updated auctex (11.84 -> 11.85)
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12:44 < Baldzius> moin
12:44 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
12:44 < Baldzius> hi rxr
12:44 < rxr> (your VM will be up in some minutes, again)
12:44 < Baldzius> i just wanted to ask about it :)
12:44 < rxr> had to kernel update, disk quota is recounting right now ...
12:45 < Baldzius> which kernel it will be?
12:45 < rxr> still 2.6.18
12:45 < Baldzius> ic
12:45 < rxr> the only stable openvz series
12:45 < rxr> but with the latest openvz and security updates
12:45 < rxr> the devel branches of 2.6.2x+openvz are not really stable
12:45 < rxr> lock up every few hours ...
12:47 < rxr> 2.6.18-028stab045 -> 2.6.18-028stab053
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12:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
12:53 < rxr> Baldzius: if you have a second, could you try to find out how to disable this vzerver disk quota?
12:53 < rxr> as your and other container are on seperate LVM volumes this per VM disk quota just wastes time
12:54 < rxr> especially this recounting takes ages (running like for 20-30m already) when a VM was not shut down cleanly ...
12:54 < rxr> ah
12:54 < rxr> so - should be up again
12:55 < Baldzius> :)
12:55 < Baldzius> yep
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13:25 < CIA-8> rene * r27952 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: 
13:25 < CIA-8> * conditionally transform the linux cpu so that compiling linux24 on
13:25 < CIA-8>  the affected CPUs (i386, x86_64, powerpc64) is possible, again
13:25 < rgl_> rxr, have you tried linux-vserver?
13:27 < rxr> rgl_: yes
13:27 < CIA-8> rene * r27953 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: 
13:27 < CIA-8> * improved linux patch filter to preserve whitespace in EXTRAVERSION
13:27 < CIA-8>  so that patches can be filtered and applied to "imperfect" Linux
13:27 < CIA-8>  releases with trailing whitespace at the assignment of EXTRAVERSION
13:27 < CIA-8>  (2.4.36)
13:27 < rxr> rgl_: but it does not virtualize /dev
13:27 < rxr> and that is needed for t2 to be build in containers
13:27 < rxr> that is why on some server where externals have containers for t2 work I have to use openvz
13:27 < rgl_> ah ok :)
13:29 < CIA-8> rene * r27954 /trunk/package/base/linux24/gcc4.patch: * removed "artificial" error-on gcc-4.x introduced in 2.4.36
13:36 < CIA-8> rene * r27955 /trunk/package/base/linux24/ (gcc4.patch linux24.desc): * updated linux24 (2.4.36 -> 2.4.36.1)
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13:56 < rgl__> rxr, Im' reading the t2 handbook pdf at page 9. there is a little typo, a missing "b" in "currently Suversion".
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14:00 < rxr> thanks, fixed in the svn raw source
14:00 < rxr> PDF & HTMl will be re-generatd later
14:01 < rgl> np :)
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14:28 < rgl> rxr, I'm looking at the packages at the repo; http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/mail/postfix/  and from what I understood, that packages does not contains the postfix patch 1, correct?
14:30 < rxr> you mean some security patch level 1 or so ?
14:30 < CIA-8> rene * r27956 /trunk/package/editors/tea/ (hotfix.patch tea.desc): * updated tea (17.3.5 -> 17.5.4)
14:32 < rgl> rxr, yes.  actually, that package is for 2.5.0, but 2.5.1 is out.
14:46 < CIA-8> rene * r27957 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.5.0 -> 2.5.1)
14:46 < rxr> thanks for pointing the update ou
14:46 < rxr> t
15:17 < CIA-8> rene * r27958 /trunk/package/multimedia/lirc/2.6.20.patch: * removed non-applying lirc/2.6.20.patch
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15:35 < rgl> rxr, it would be nice that all the packages have some kind of "watch" script, that would automatically see if there are new upstream releases.  I think debian packages have this kind of stuff.
15:37 < rxr> we have an automatic tracker
15:37 < rgl> how does it work? :)
15:37 < rxr> results are posted nightly to a t2-update mailing list
15:37 < rxr> atomatically parsing and checking the download urls
15:37 < rxr> the tracked can be guided with CV-* tags
15:37 < rxr> CV for CheckVersion ...
15:38 < rxr> some packages have those guidance tags in their .desc
15:38 < rgl> ah nice :)
15:38 < rgl> can you give me an example of such a package?
15:39 < rxr> cups
15:39 < rxr> t2-trunk# grep CV- package/*/*/*desc | wc -l
15:39 < rxr> 113
15:39 < rxr> so - gotta go lunch - cu
15:39 < rgl> I thx :)
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16:56 < tri> moin
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17:05 < rxr> moin tri, hi emte 
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17:06 < tri> hi rxr :-)
17:06 < tri> how are you ?
17:09 < emte> hey
17:23 < tri> somebody have experince with collectl ?
17:23 < CIA-8> rene * r27959 /trunk/package/audio/jack/ (jack.desc no-examples-clients.patch): * updated jack (0.103.0 -> 0.109.2)
17:26 < CIA-8> rene * r27960 /trunk/package/textproc/fribidi/ (fribidi.desc pkg-config-include-patch.patch): * updated fribidi (0.10.9 -> 0.19.1)
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17:32 < CIA-8> rene * r27961 /trunk/package/develop/guile/ (gcc-4.0.patch guile.desc): * updated guile (1.6.8 -> 1.8.3)
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17:50 < rxr> tri: fine, thanks, how're you ?
17:55 < tri> rxr: also fine, thanks :-)
17:55 < tri> rxr: i'm in france till next week :-)
17:55 < tri> have you ever used collectl ?
17:56 < rxr> not that I remeber
17:57 < rxr> do you mean collectd ?
17:58 < tri> what do thing about this maybe new kernel feature: http://lwn.net/Articles/230975/
17:59 < tri> i mean http://collectl.sourceforge.net/
18:01 < rxr> well - when we have no t2 package I'll probably never saw it  :-)
18:03 < tri> :-)
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18:57 < tri>  /proc is deprecated, isn't it ?
19:00 < rxr> not really
19:00 < rxr> only for per device controll stuff
19:01 < rxr> why do you ask ?
19:02 < tri> just wasn't sure
19:02 < tri> what about /sys ?
19:03 < rxr> sys is the new per kernel object and bus info and control stuff
19:04 < tri> so some stuff from /proc is moving to /sys ?
19:04 < tri> and how is udev related to this ?
19:10 < rxr> was moved and is moved
19:10 < rxr> sysfs (/sys) is also automatically generated from the kernel object of devices (and other stuff)
19:10 < rxr> udev isnot really related
19:10 < rxr> udev is in user-space and creating normal device nodes either on disk or a ramdisk (tmpfs) based on events
19:11 < rxr> udev accesses /sys entires to gather device information, though
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19:35 < rxr> hi rgl_ 
19:35 < rxr> hi ra	
19:35 < rxr> eargh
19:35 < rxr> hi Ragnarin 
19:36 < rgl_> :D
19:37 < Ragnarin> hey rene
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22:54 < CIA-8> rene * r27964 /trunk/package/base/libusb/speedup-v2.patch: 
22:54 < CIA-8> * further improved libusb for quirky code like the binary-only
22:54 < CIA-8>  Brother SANE drivers which has a rather strange i/o pattern
22:54 < CIA-8>  trying to transfer larger requests that fail and the mulit-
22:54 < CIA-8>  queue code would result in the transfer of multiple URBs
22:54 < CIA-8>  on the USB wire, therefore start with a single transfer
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