T2 IRC Log: 2007-11-15

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--- Log opened Thu Nov 15 00:00:20 2007
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09:27 < rxr> re
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09:54 [ CIA-12 ] [ dsoul] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnarin] [ valentin]
09:54 [ Codex ] [ emte ] [ Key_Gena] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ yokoy_ ]
09:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
10:02 < CIA-12> rene * r26884 /trunk/package/develop/libsigsegv/libsigsegv.desc: * updated libsigsegv (2.4 -> 2.5)
10:03 < CIA-12> rene * r26885 /trunk/package/archiver/liblzf/liblzf.desc: * updated liblzf (2.1 -> 3.0)
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10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26886 /trunk/package/gnustep/gorm/gorm.desc: * updated gorm (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
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10:08 < CIA-12> rene * r26888 /trunk/package/audio/snd/snd.desc: * updated snd (9.4 -> 9.5)
10:09 < CIA-12> rene * r26889 /trunk/package/audio/libgpod/libgpod.desc: * updated libgpod (0.5.2 -> 0.6.0)
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10:10 < rxr> moin Codex
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10:39 < Codex> moinmoin, rxr
10:56 < CIA-12> rene * r26890 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: * updated thunderbird (2.0.0.6 -> 2.0.0.9)
11:09 < rxr> valentin: I now meassued the oversacn, of course the SPEC we got was wrong on that again ...
11:10 < CIA-12> rene * r26891 /trunk/package/base/libiconv/libiconv.desc: * updated libiconv (1.11 -> 1.12)
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12:22 < rxr> re
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15:35 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
15:40 < CIA-12> rene * r26892 /trunk/package/textproc/onig/ (. onig.cache onig.desc): * added onig (5.9.0) - A regular expressions library
16:33 < pennyk_> excert from vim.desc
16:34 < pennyk_> [D] 4276031384 vim-7.1 .tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/
16:35 < pennyk_> what is this '4276031384' mean?
16:39 < mtr> hi pennyk_
16:40 < mtr> thats the cksum of the uncompressed archive file
16:41 < pennyk_> mtr: oh. thx
16:41 < pennyk_> why not use MD5 or SHA1?
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16:47 < rxr> pennyk_: because 8 or so years ago the checksum felt quite right
16:48 < rxr> pennyk_: we consider expanding that in the future to use md5/sha1 then
16:48 < mtr> the crc checksum is good enough to detect upstream file changes
16:48 < rxr> maybe I should add this to the roadmap
16:50 < pennyk_> crc32 is good enough for small chunk of data. But for much bigger filesize, it is not strong enough
16:51 < rxr> the syntax would be in the Apache style [D] {SHA}012345 http://url...
16:51 < pennyk_> remember, crc32 is only 32 bit
16:51 < pennyk_> rxr: good idea
16:51 < pennyk_> but,
16:51 < pennyk_> [D] {SHA1}012345 http://url...
16:52 < pennyk_> should be SHA1, I think
16:52 < rxr> apache is just using {SHA} ...
16:52 < pennyk_> there are SHA256/...
16:52 < rxr> the 256 is just the number of bits
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16:53 < rxr> the algorithm is SHA1, available in bitdepths of 256, 512, 1024 or so ...
16:53 < kic-> re
16:53 < rxr> the length is deduceable from the bumber following, and probably why apache is just using {SHA} as prefix for any sha summed password
16:53 < rxr> hi kic
16:53 < kic-> hiya
16:53 < rxr> kic-: how's your day ?
16:54 < kic-> looking full, as usual, but hopefully will be a good day today
16:54 < kic-> how about yours?
16:55 < rxr> kic-: yeah - so much on my desk as well, ...
16:55 < rxr> at least we pushed 7.0-rc2 out of the door
16:55 < kic-> nice..
16:55 < kic-> hows the beryl stability with it? :D~
16:59 < rxr> good question
17:00 < rxr> I usually run a wild mix of T2 flavours on my workstation I type on
17:00 < rxr> I have a sort of 7.0 beryl on it I guess
17:00 < rxr> (plus a not yet comitted Mesa 7.0.x update and co)
17:00 < kic-> :D
17:00 < rxr> usually it is quite good, just the new inter driver (I already commited) ia a little more touchy
17:01 < rxr> and since some weeks I have some strange beryl bug that affets the min/max, etc. buttons of the windows
17:01 < kic-> i have been messing with my new lappie at home, and will be almost completely satisfied once i can get beryl functioning properly
17:01 < rxr> but maybe that is just my setup and/or related to utf-8 characters in totles ...
17:01 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
17:01 < rxr> ^- now lists stronger downlaod tag checksums
17:02 < kic-> actually i've noticed that min/max button issue for some time now
17:03 < kic-> even when i ran it on the 6.0 t2 cd's i had on the other lappie
17:03 < kic-> but starting emerald after that
17:03 < kic-> seemed to fix it
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17:05 < rxr> hm - strange, In the past I never had this problem - on my MacBook it ocurred recently ...
17:05 < rxr> thanks good as hard core low level bit hacker I can life without iwndow titles and buttons :-) and just enjoy the remaining 3D cube
17:07 < kic-> :D
17:07 < rxr> more annoying is that the stable release Intel driver only supports 2048 wide desktops, which conflicts with my home setup where I woudl normally use the inernal display (1280x800) + the external (1280x1024) one, the accumulating 2304 wide dekstop does not work with the Intel driver ...
17:07 < kic-> ah
17:07 < rxr> anyway, with the Apple Cinema display at work that's not the issue as I only use the external display and leave the Macbook near the desk ...
17:07 < rxr> anyway - I should continue some real work ...
17:08 < kic-> hehe
17:08 < kic-> ok
17:08 < kic-> have fun
17:08 < kic-> i'm going to make phone calls now, yay for cold calling, *gag*
17:10 < rxr> cold calling =
17:10 < rxr> ?
17:10 < kic-> erm
17:11 < kic-> cold calling = direct sales calls to people you've never spoken to before, and try to sell them the product
17:11 < rxr> ah - yeah - have fun
17:11 < kic-> heh
17:11 < kic-> indeed
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17:36 < LMJ> huuhuu
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17:52 < rxr> hi LMJ
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17:52 [@ChanServ] [ Cyda ] [ kic- ] [ mqueiros_] [ rxr ] [ yokoy_]
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17:52 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
18:06 < kic-> k, getting bored with windows while i type out these emails, rebooting to T2
18:06 < kic-> brb
18:06 < kic-> :D
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18:11 < Cyda> hi
18:11 < Cyda> somone translate this for me
18:11 < Cyda> Im Leben, im Leben, geht mancher Schuss daneben
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18:22 < tri> moin
18:22 < tri> is it save to use the "as-needed" option ?
18:28 < CIA-12> rene * r26893 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ps3/ (64bit.patch segfault.patch xf86-video-ps3.desc):
18:28 < CIA-12> * updated xf86-video-ps3 (2007-11-A11 -> 2007-11-15), and fixed the
18:28 < CIA-12> updated EXA acceleration to crash on uninitialized A8 ops
18:29 < rxr> tri: you will probably get some more build errors
18:29 < rxr> I think it is not much tested
18:30 < Cyda> hey rxr
18:30 < rxr> hey Cyda
19:05 < tri> rxr: the errors i got were therefor all related to the as needed option
19:06 < rxr> oh - yeah - that might very well be ...
19:06 < tri> wireless-tools, parted do build now without problems
19:06 < tri> only lilo and elilo failed with the new kernel headers (till now)
19:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26894 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ps3/xf86-video-ps3.desc: * fixed xf86-video-ps3 Author tag
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21:53 < tri> re
22:07 < crazy> hi guys , I try to compile 7.0-rc2 but wireless-tools won't compile =)
22:08 < crazy> there is what I get : http://frugalware.org/paste/2017
22:47 < tri> crazy: do you use the "as-needed" option ?
22:48 < crazy> tri: yes
22:48 < crazy> should I turn off ?
22:48 < tri> yes, this does the trick for me
22:48 < tri> it might be a bug
22:48 < crazy> ok I try doing that
22:49 < crazy> well looks like it is some sort bug
22:49 < tri> i have had problems with this option if i try to build the wireless-tools and also if i try to build parted
22:49 < tri> i told to rxr already, he said this function isn't tested that good
22:50 < crazy> tri: ok , thx
22:50 < crazy> I'll try without
22:51 < tri> is frugalware based on t2 ?
22:52 < crazy> no
22:53 < tri> hm i have problems building 2.23.1 with the iwlwifi modules ?
22:53 < crazy> I play a bit with t2 myself :) has nothing to do with Frugalware
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23:12 < crazy> tri: worked without as-needed but this is some binutils bug on T2
23:13 < crazy> I can compile using --as-needed on binutils >=2.18 without any problems
23:17 < tri> ah ok you updated your binutils ?
23:20 < crazy> no I have binutils stable ( aka 2.18 ) and a devel version on Frugalware current
23:20 < crazy> and we use same gcc version
23:20 < tri> t2 uses 2.18.50.0.3
23:21 < crazy> maybe in svn :)
23:21 < crazy> 0.7.rc2 has some .17
23:21 < crazy> let me check
23:21 < tri> ah yes i use trunk
23:21 < crazy> =[2]=> Building base/binutils [2.17.50.0.15 7.0-rc2]
23:21 < tri> ah might be good idea to update this to 2.18
23:22 < crazy> yes or any later version :)
23:22 < crazy> or disallow as needed with <2.18 :)
23:22 < tri> :-)
23:23 < tri> if you like to just send a patch file to the mailinglist ?
23:24 < crazy> well I don't know T2's build scripts well yet :) I have to see what file(s) to patch first
23:25 < tri> should be just the desc file
23:25 < tri> i know now why iwlwifi wasn't build for me - i use a version which isn't comatible with my kernel
23:26 < crazy> which iwlwifi version ?
23:26 < tri> i use 2.6.23.1 kernel and iwlwifi version 1.1.17
23:26 < crazy> ach
23:27 < tri> looks like they are not compatible
23:27 < crazy> you need .21 afaik
23:27 < tri> there are already iwlwifi-1.1.21
23:27 < tri> :-)
23:28 < tri> i also play around with updated kernel-headers
23:28 < crazy> .24 has it merged
23:28 < crazy> :)
23:29 < tri> the .24 kernel ?
23:29 < crazy> yes
23:29 < tri> has merged the iwlwifi drivers ?
23:30 < crazy> http://git.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=b481de9ca074528fe8c429604e2777db8b89806a
23:30 < crazy> yes
23:31 < tri> ah cool :-)
23:33 < tri> mac80211 was also merged ?
23:34 < crazy> yes
23:34 < crazy> let me see what else
23:35 < crazy> there are some wireless driver merged in .24
23:35 < tri> och i just need the one for iwl3945 :-)
23:36 < tri> how is your build going
23:36 < crazy> Iwlwifi
23:36 < crazy> rt2x00
23:36 < crazy> p54
23:36 < crazy> adm8211
23:36 < crazy> b43
23:36 < crazy> b43legacy
23:36 < crazy> these are in 2.6.24 already
23:37 < tri> but i still will need the iwl3945 firmware files
23:37 < crazy> yes sure
23:37 < crazy> build is on =[2]=> Building base/gcc [4.2.2 7.0-rc2]
23:37 < tri> but this is still better then the ipw3945 driver where this service was needed
23:38 < tri> ah stage 2 at gcc - will still need some time :-)
23:39 < crazy> I know :)
23:48 < tri> time to sleep now :-
23:48 < tri> gn8
23:48 < crazy> gn8 tri
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